Xenogears Mafia (Game Over)

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/awaits the onslaught of posts that will happen tonight

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ahhh damn

hopefully with varsoon here i'll be reading at faster than light

defend against onslaught!!!!

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1 hour = 16 posts

growing exponentially 16(1+0.2)^x


math so fun



P-edit previously I could only read at sonic speed

light > sonic

super sonic <3

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oh by the way i'm really excited(we all are) because solaris is also a giant threat in one of the sonic games (if anybody cares)

its a time paradox which is really cool and sonic had to use his chaos emeralds to defeat the extradimensional extratemporal anomalous being known as solaris

sonic had to turn super sonic and thus FASTER THAN LIGHT to destroy the scum

read more here: http://sonic.wikia.com/wiki/Sonic_the_Hedgehog_(2006)

as if you guys dont have enough reading material pending 2 hours from this post onwards

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oh and uh sonic died while fighting solaris


i will die too without varsoon

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P-edit sonic 06 just read the story its a good story

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it got erased from "history" anyway so lolok

i just love time paradox my favourite sci-fi genre

artemis fowl and the time paradox

^was not actually that fantastic relatively but thats beside the point

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TD's response of frustration is interesting. Dunno if it merits a vote.
Venmar, I get the feeling there's gonna be a lot of targeting kinds of PRs, just given the nature of the source material and the large setup. PGO seems like a pretty damn simultaneously safe and polarizing claim to make on D1.
Is it too scummy to be scum, though? I mean, this is the perfect window for the claim--early and before any large wagons form.
The problem is that it polarizes the game too much.
If you're town, scum won't kill you either out of fear or to WIFOM town into lynching you.
If you're scum, town'll be hesitant to lynch you due to your power.
It's a strong claim both ways, so I guess I'll read it as null/leaning-scum.
I want to discuss more with my other head before I vote, but FoS on Venmar. Still getting used to what it means to hydra.
I don't think TD's response is very scum, but just frustration-tell.

@MetalSonicHead: Haha, that's cool Sonic lore! So, he fused with the chaos emeralds to become Faster Than Light. I have been noted for my chaotic approach to past games. Your hydra'ing with me is fusing with a sort of chaotic entity and becoming... Faster Than Light. :3

P-EDIT:
Woahwoahwoah, Nickthename, slammin all these votes without articulation! I like your style.
TD, glad that my earlier frustration read was on the money. :3
Nick, can you give a rea--oooooh.

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Vote: Venmar

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Temptation to claim is high, but I was banned for it before, so I dunno.
Probably not a safe move to make anymore. :/

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Vote: Nachomamma8

Pappa and Mamma are reunited <3

More importantly, what do you think of the current interactions?
Your RVS-ish vote doesn't really give us much.

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@BRO: Which is why it's a polarizing claim, BRO. Also-also, I don't think wagons based on meta/previous games in RVS are worthwhile. Chances of you rolling scum in two back-to-back Bork games are low, but I'm gonna judge you based on the quality of your posts. Metal, well, I dunno what rubric he uses to dole out the judgments.

@Nickthename: Oh, well, that clears a little up on your motivations. I thought you had different reasons that would've been damning. Still, my vote stays.

@Notscience: The content in the game that allows it not to be. Also, me. Play the game.

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@notscience: Dude, play the game.

@Rach: S'why I won't claim (right now). I'm interested in ffery and mollie's plays since, y'know, I've played with them a bit since and I think I have a better handle on them.
I still have no fucking clue how to read you, though.
I think what BRO is saying is that he figures other people will assume that. I dunno. RVS wagons are silly.


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@Trust: I can be srs when I need to be.

@B&B: I'll leave rach to you, then?

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I watched BrBa. Don't tread was dope.

@Venmar: And accusing me of a waffle/scum out of it isn't scummy? Just engaging the processes of why it's a null/lean-scum for me.


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@TD: why the empty vote?

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Huh. Regardless, got the reaction I was looking for from Venmar, so

Unvote

for now.

Venmar, is it usually your style to lash out in OMGUS when people null/scum-read your actions?

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Here are my thoughts for the first six pages:

1) The entire argument about the PGO is dumb and you should all feel dumb. If it's scum motivated, we can determine this through Venmar's play and lynch him normal like. Otherwise you're feeding a possible attention whore gambit, which could be run as either alignment, Town as reaction-fishing, scum as a 'don't visit me, town Cops!'

It's kind of akin to claiming miller, only a gun is involved.

2) BRO's #79 makes no sense under a microscope. A miller and PGO are somewhat different roles and I don't consider the change-up to be alignment indicative.

3) TD is playing like a mule on crack, which seems to indicate he wants us to distract from the Ven vote by acting like someone gave him drugs. His idea of Ven not claiming seems dissonant to the Town wincon. Also, I'm getting a hate-on for notscience.

Vote: TD

I don't really buy TD's backing off with "I am tired", either. Feels like a lazy, early-game deflection.
Of course, I don't like Venmar's response to my pressure either, but like you and I said, we shouldn't judge on a claim, but on play throughout the game.

Vote: TD

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@Nhammen: I don't like that when I fucking explain why I read something as null, everyone throws their hats in the air and goes WAFFLES
I don't like that when I play straight-forward town, everyone's like "VARSOON SO SCUM" because I did it in like one other game somewhere.
It's not a -reaction test- "defense" when I outright GOT VENMAR TO REPLY IN A GENUINE WAY THAT LET ME READ HIM BETTER. I'm milking the interaction between him and TD for info, something other players aren't. Please note that Notscience and NachoPappa haven't engaged too much on either side and half of the player list hasn't even fucking posted a decent contribution.
IF I THINK OF SOMETHING TO WRITE AFTER MY POST, I WILL WRITE IT. THREADS WILL BE SPAMMED AT A SPEED FASTER THAN LIGHT.
As far as the reason why I thought that nickthename was voting him without saying so--I thought it was a soft counter-claim until Nick explained his vote, which made me less assured of my own. Also, I got the reaction I wanted out of Venmar, which was essentially the same waffle-accusation bullshit I'm getting from you. Engage my posts, rather than writing them off, please.

@Trust: Don't you think it's ironic that you see me as scum, but have a vote on the same guy as me?

If anyone wants to discuss things, I'm here to do so.

@Notscience: Now that you're confirmed town, you need to play the game. I was in Open 512 with Pasche, who was Innocent Child and he gave up playing after his IC reveal. Now you don't have to convince us that you're town, so please actually contribute to the thread and catch scum. What's the worst that can happen, they waste an NK on you?

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This game is moving so fast.
Anyway, pressure away, but it's pretty transparent when you say it's pressure. Not that it isn't useful, just transparent.


@SashaTrustFund: Of course you do, you fence-sitting coward.

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@Notscience: You assume I assume that you aren't playing the game. I saw and liked your post about TD understanding alignments about scum. What I'm calling for is for you to actively engage with the game, instead of prattle and distract town, which is what you do in some games.

@TrustSasha: I didn't say you were scum, you did. Guilty conscience, much? And when you agree with votes on me, but are on a different wagon, it's a fence. You can now reasonably swap to my wagon under the artificial defense of "I thought FTL was scum all along so -ploink-". I'm calling out that rubbish now. If you think someone is scum, vote for them.

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@TrustSasha: You're perpetuating the accusation I made against you, then. It could easily be two Town, and you're pushing an easy mislynch on either based on town consensus, which, oh, hey, let's look at how reactionary your votes/opinions are to town consensus so far! You're either a sheep or scum hopping on a mislynch of two people you know are town--both options are anti-town.

@Notscience: Conf. Town can still distract and hinder town. Look, nevermind, just play.

@NicktheName: I dunno if that makes mac scummy or just wrong.

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@Nick: I think your post about Mac does highlight why TD feels so scum, though.

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@Notscience: Typically, when you post things that aren't wholly game related, or when an issue is being engaged with and you pull away from that to assert things otherwise. Usually, it's the not-so-game-related fluffiness that irks me. Whimsical one-liners and things like that. 85, 90, 103, 108, 133, 137, etc. You've got solid posts in your ISO where you make good points, but from time to time the whimsy overwhelms the pro-town side of things and it's a potentially exploitable thing for scum, imo.

@Nick: TD's vote on Venmar, then pulling in the reigns when it doesn't work out.

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Hi Science.

Hey if anyone wants to give me a hand (read: I'm lazy) if you could collect all the votes for the TD wagon into one post for me that'd really just be awesome and I'd love you the rest of the game.

On it, champ.

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SoS votes BROseidon
TiphaneD votes FTL
MuffinMan votes NachoPappa
Notscience votes Trust Fund
AJ votes Notscience
Notscience votes Notscience
TRUSTsasha votes NachoPappa
Venmar votes TiphaneD
MuffinMan votes TiphaneD
NickTheName votes Venmar
FTL votes Venmar
NachoPappa votes NachoMamma
TiphaneD votes FTL
FTL unvotes Venmar
NickTheName votes TiphaneD
TiphaneD votes MuffinMan
B&B votes TiphaneD
Mac votes TiphaneD
Ghostlin votes TiphaneD
FTL votes TiphaneD
TiphaneD votes Mac
TrustSasha votes TiphaneD
NickTheName votes Mac
Nhammen votes FTL
B&B unvotes TiphaneD
AJ votes NickTheName


All the FTL votes so far have been done by the Varsoon head. Unsure of which head in B&B and in SoS is operating, so no comment on which head did votes.
I think this list is accurate.

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@AJ: I've already explained how my vote was delivered on the grounds that I wanted to pressure Venmar about his claim and that I felt that NickTheName had a more substantial reason for voting him as well.

@B&B: Gah! I can do it with the actual posts, sorry! I thought you just wanted a votes list in order of vote. I'll change my avatar for you. :3

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@B&B: Would you like me to run through the game and do a multi-quote version of the list or just link the post numbers with each vote or are you gonna take care of it?
@BRO: One of the things I found last game (with this pool of players) was that being an arrogant, non-compliant son of a bitch got me strung up. If I can help town, I'll help town, rather than being obtuse and illogical about it. Saying "Varsoon is being direct and appealing to Logos!" as a scum-tell is a bit frustrating. Don't confine me to one avenue of play, please. Also, what wagon analysis do you have to chip in on TD's wagon that you think makes it scummy aside from speed? I also don't like Mac's interactions, esp his vote on TD, but I hold that TD is scum.

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@B&B: Mostly the frustration he had over my post that he called 'waffling'. It annoys me when players toss around buzzwords like that. After the interaction, and especially when I realized that Venmar's claim was wholly null and that Nick's vote was there for reasons that weren't as tangible as I had first thought, I started to believe in the claim a bit more. I still think TD is scum, and I'd like some more response from TD before I consider backing down. I agree a lot of the votes on the wagon are inarticulate and/or opportunistic, but my focus can't waver now.

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Heads up, all. I've gotta go pick up a package, settle some debts, and cook dinner. An old friend of mine and I are playing FF7 together, so I'll probably return to that instead of this thread for the night. If you have any questions for me, please bold them or save them for when I'm actually online. Just wanted to give people a heads-up, because at the current game pace, it could easily look like I ditched out or am lurking or whatnot and I might miss questions directed at me when I am catching up.


@TrustFund: Venmar's 40, Muffin's 43, Nick's 102, B&B's 105 (later cited as a test, but dunno what it garnered yet, I think), TrustSasha's 171. Mac's vote makes a bit of sense if you count engagement with Venmar interaction and not liking TD's play (a bit abstract here), and Ghostlin's is explained.

@Nick: I feel like I've got scum. It's largely gut, but based on interaction with TD, his interaction with others, and how he's not in-thread once his wagon blew up, well--I think I've got scum and I don't want to give up on it unless I'm sure otherwise.

@B&B: I... am this dumb?

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B&B's 105 (later cited as a test, but dunno what it garnered yet, I think)

I think you need to do some careful re-reading, because this is wrong on a number of levels.

I guess so, been alt-tabbing and watching anime between posts.
You said you got what you wanted--what did you get?
Also, why did you ask the rhetorical of me and bold my one post?

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@B&B: Makes sense. We've got an early wagon we can analyse now. That's what I assumed, but I didn't remember you posting that straight out, but, rather, it felt like a later conclusion.
When you ask if I can't possibly be that stupid.
I also have no clue who your 319 is directed to.

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hi this is MS


we are like BnB: Varsoon posts with grammar I (usually) don't

i need to get varsoon on skype

reads: aj town bnb town sos town td town venmar town

trustfund semi town mac semitown bro null

everyone else null

rach scum(like last game always) nhammen scum


notscience VIC


and if i werent in a hydra with varsoon i would vote him for scum

but no

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because my partner did

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so what?

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so what?

So why is that stopping you from unvoting him and voting any of your scum reads?

because if my partner thinks he is scum there must be a reason and so i am going to ask him

who cares about where the vote goes anyway what matters is a wagon push, not really pushing whatever atm lets see what varsoon has to say

also td is town because he looks town. i'm not going to write a full length essay for your 8 words question kthx

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@ftl

OK, I really don't give two shits if you write an essay or not. You had TD as a scum read, you now have him as a town read, this needs explanation. I want to understand the progression of your read on him.

Try not to answer with something like, "only Varsoon thought he was scum!" because that's a cop-out answer. You're a hydra, stop posting your reads if you can't even agree on the person you're voting. Hydra dissonance is fucking annoying.

when i read your first 2 sentences i wanted to slap you in the face

fortunately you actually do realise that this is a hydra account

why are you so concerned over where my slot parks its vote? its not like he's gonna get lynched for real or anything

anyway if you dont like my reads then dont read them ok? ya hydra dissonance indeed is annoying but its day 1(real life day) so yes we are working on that

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you can be town for now

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maybe you can stare at my avatar standing at a 85 degrees incline to the wall as well

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why are you so concerned over where my slot parks its vote?

... ... ... ... ... Because where you have your vote is _usually_ an indication of who your top scum read is, or at least the scum read that you think has the most support to be lynched.

stereotyping re:RVS votes and VIs





anyway yes that plan works



tell me

your

scumreads

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i agree with your rach scumread,

but who else?

i may like to comment

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hmmm imo bro is null-town for me, but he hasn't posted anythnig of magic susbtance(pointing far town or far scum) for me atm


its worth noting that in the previous game (xenoblade), bro was the scum and he carried the whole game to scumvictory

thats some strong stuff right there

imo its too early to tell his alignment(or anybody's!) but at the moment i'd like to think he's town


question: do you support tdscum or tdtown? why or why not?

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muffin

so can i intepret your scumreads as

TD > Bro >Rach?


or is there an order?

just checking

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ok thats about it

i'll find a way to talk to varsoon when he gets on so we can prevent hydra dissonance etc i've already shot him a pm


anyway if you have any more questions feel free to ask as long as you're not expecting a terribly long answer i can answer them briefly

muffin is town

re: TD vote i can take it off if you want but i don't really see the point/need/significance

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I have returned.
To get muffinman on the same page as me/Metal Sonic, here's how it is:
I believe TD is scum.
-The speed of his wagon might be scummy in itself, but now town has wagon analysis to use, so it ultimately led town out of RVS.
-His response to pressure was to flail and disengage. I don't like this.
-He's been largely absent from the thread and it feels like he's treading lightly. He hasn't made any dangerous plays, which speaks to Scum-TD more than town-TD for me. An innocent man doesn't hold his hand so close to his chest or start to sweat when he's put on the chopping block. He plays the game.

Metal Sonic is keeping OUR vote there because he trusts my judgment and we haven't gotten to talk extensively in a hydra chat/Skype yet. He's clearly a bit conflicted about it, and is reading TD as townier than I am, but it is what it is.

On that note, catching up with the thread:
Venmar's inarticulate push of the TD wagon denies town info and time and feels -wrong-.
Nacho came in. Nacho, when you've got some time, I want to talk.
Replacements, please post. Nacho's catchup is a good model for this. I will hold you accountable for catching up. Nothing annoys me more than parroty-shitty-town that hasn't caught up. It annoyed me in 512 when I was scum, and it annoys me here, too.
TrustFund, I don't like your approach of 'townreading' people. It's an easy-peasy scum tactic. I want you to elaborate on your scum reads and give post-analysis for why those slots are scum. Your play so far makes me sour.
Everyone who thinks Varsoon who is logical is Varsoon who is scum clearly needs to refresh their notions of how I play. Look at games since Xenoblade, or, y'know, look at my play solely in this game and stop relying on something so flimsy as meta. If you have learned anything in playing with me, you've learned I can control my rhetoric and that I review my posts before hitting enter in just about every game.

I still support my TD vote.
I'll talk to MS about it, P-Edit shows he's still conflicted.

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As another note, I will try to sign all of my posts, and mine are usually much more long-winded and adherent to proper grammatical form.
This is how you can distinguish between Metal's thoughts and my own.
Sure, we'll think different things, but that dissonance will always be clear-cut, given our approach to signing.

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I can also pretend to be Varsoon like this. But usually, I wouldn't. I am perfectly capable of grammatical speech.



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varsoon you know that for us to talk on skype you actually have to get online? yeah.

anyway I have to go for the night, take over


we're good in that we got 24/7 covered

this is fun

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Yeah, FTL is scum.

Good articulation, 10/10, nom'd for best play of the game.

Let me do my thing.

I'm glad that SoS defers to Nacho as the default town-voice here. Why not ask what everyone thinks of BRO?
I think the lack of text-walls from BRO is unsettling, but I'm usually used to more activity from him. BRO's contributions so far haven't pinged for me, but I'm skeptical of him.

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idk man. The last time I read your "logics" it made me facepalm a lot.

Disclaimer: I'm going to write a lot that doesn't make sense. Just because I do make sense sometimes doesn't mean anything, it's just a moment of lucidity.

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Muffins, you are either misrepping hard or incapable of actually reading. I'm going to give you the benefit of the doubt here. Mac is scum for a number of reasons, the slip is just one of them, and not even the primary one really.

When I have reads to the point I can start doing elimination studies, I'll post all my reads, till then you just get what I feel like putting out there.

And yes, NS, FTL is scum, glad you could join the rest of us.

Quote the reasons why mac is scum. I keep seeing you writing that "Mac is scum, mac slipped."
Show us where and why Mac is scum.

I'm glad that you've got awesome reasons for why I'm scum, too.
I'd like to challenge you to articulate -why-, but that doesn't seem to be your style.
TD, you butt-blasted because I voted on you and antagonized your wagon to this point and I'm one of the only opponents you have that seriously is holding onto his vote for explained reasons?

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TD, your 525 feels pretty biased. I explain a lot of my approaches and your interpretations fly in the face of what I've written in the thread. It feels like you're reading my posts in the light of "This is how I could interpret this as scummy" rather than "How could I interpret these posts."
I have no clue what you mean about the question post earlier. My latest post behind that one does end in a question. I'm wondering if your frustration over how I've handled your case is painting how you're handling my case. I've polarized you, I feel. Does that make sense?

It's not a misrep of you when I'm positing an interpretation of your play toward you, in order to see how you respond.

Also, TD, you call it buddying, but I've already told you that I'm trying a much more friendly approach in this game. I'm sorry that you see trusting and doing work for other players/town as buddying. I think that, as a group, we've got to find scum. I found scum on my own in Xenoblade and all of you collectively shit on my reasoning. I'd rather not have that happen again.


@BRO: Congrats on Plat. I'm silver4life.
As for this game, I'm not sold on Mac. I think TD is scum, although now I'm leaning a bit more towards frustration-biased town. Still, if TD is scum, his hard push on the Mac wagon is either a desperation bus or a mislynch. I agree that mac is pretty scummy, and it's hard to refute TD's points against Mac, but I'm still not giving up on this one yet.

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To elaborate:
I feel that the points brought up against Mac expose him as scummy, and that it would be an easy exposure to exploit. That's why I'm trying to figure out the nature of TD's approach to this game, and why my vote stays where it is.

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Not as passionate a reaction as I had expected from TD.
I was expecting him to either get really pissed at me or to use the 'out' I gave him where he could explain off his earlier actions as ones made solely out of frustration.
Instead, it's this strange melding of the two, where he admits I've pushed him against me but still says I'm scum but not his highest pick.
Regardless, I feel like Scum would've had a more artificial answer, given what I gave TD to exploit in my 591.
So, for now,

Unvote

The last six pages are a blur, I just glossed them. Will return with worthwhile commentary on those and more later tonight, if I get the time.
Still trying to get in touch with MS.
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ya varsoon is so scum

VOTE: varsoon

o wait i am varsoon

UNVOTE: varsoon

lets vote rach since i scumread her and varsoon unvoted td

VOTE: rach

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test

varsoon do you use skype? i have facebook if you don't use skype

smh

get on

and we can talk about reads

and who is the scum

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hi mala

are you the cat who hydra'd with mara in HxH mafia?


i am the sonic who masoned with gif and bork(our mod) over here

nice to meet you

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that was varsoon with the fancy english

i did not scum slip



P.S: remember how you tunneled me calling me scum in HxH? yeah

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i get "no replies after f5-ing for 30 mins" syndrome

agh OCD

Gotta quote this, I think. Proper Hydra etiquette and all that.

METALSONIC,

chill out. I gave you my contact info. Contact me.

@SkullDuggery

: I've already claimed alignment, I think. To be honest, I'm a bit iffy about it, because last time I was banned I didn't think that my 'offense' was actually an offense, and I wasn't warned. I don't want that to happen again. I want to play this game with you guys, so I don't want to do something that'd cause mods to peel me away.

@Nacho:

I can't seem to catch you, so here are some questions:
Do you think that TiphaneD is frustrated with this game?
What's your read/analysis of Rach's posts?
What is your read/analysis of B&B's posts, especially considering the hydra dichotomy/dissonance that've merited some noise so far?
What has you reading us as town in this game?
What do you think of the people with least posts (SkullDuggery, AJ, Rach, Mastin, Desperado, Andrius, Ghostlin, MuffinMan)?
What do you think of the people with the most posts (B&B, TrustFund, SoS, Venmar, Me, and TiphaneD)?


I don't like Mala, but I need to -actually talk to Metal Sonic- about our reads and which players we should pressure, etc.
Mala's approach to scum hunting feels way too much like Mala's trying to insert that something is scummy and force players to trip themselves engaging on that front. It feels like that was done with me and that it was done to Ghostlin, TD, etc. Mala keeps pouting and saying people scum-slipped, ringing every buzzword, and trying to get the players accused to engage in arguing the scummy accusation, which gives it more credence than the dismissal it should be given. Mala, make accusations about people that aren't so biased/informed by gut rather than game. I'm going to discuss this with Metal, but consider this a FoS from the Varsoon head.

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Also, Skull, Sheeping denies town quality info/content, yo.

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@AJ: Consider, instead, that I already have a hard time reading Nacho. Through seeing how Nacho's thinks, and what he thinks about certain players, I can better situate him as town or scum and I can see where he stands in relation to these other players. Also, I value Nacho's input regardless of alignment, so I'd like a bit of help with specific players that I'm having trouble reading outright. I never said I wasn't having dissonance, in fact, the post you quoted admits to that. You're getting hung up on that bolded shit instead of reading all of what I wrote, which is why I hate being long-winded in my town games. I always get read wrong because of people who can't swallow my entire posts and get all sour over one bit when other bits make that bit more understandable.

@TD: Cool vote, homie.

PEDIT:
@Nickthename: He didn't? Holy shit, you're right. I must've misread his 128, it's a lot more clear now that he's just pissed at how Venmar played his PGO claim. I've never hydra'd with metal sonic, but we've got several PMs sent between us trying to get in touch. Skype isn't letting our messages hit each other, and MS isn't responding to me in the MafiaChat, so I just PM'd him my facebook account, so I hope he'll get in touch with me through that. MS plays this sort of way in all of his games, which is why I hydra'd with him. I'm usually way more long-winded and I focus on individual posts a lot. MS is tangental and assess the game as a whole, his posts seeming disconnected from the post-by-post discussion. Also, I can never fucking read him, so I'd rather be on his side than not.

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See, I was not voting FTL because I had varsoon scum and MS town, luckily I have both of you as scum now, so bombs away. I'd still rather lynch mac honestly, but that doesn't look like it's happening today.

"MY wagon on scum isn't happening, so instead of pushing it with hard articulation, a good ISO, and putting realistic pressure on my top scum-pick, I'm gonna vote for FTL 'cus he's scum. Why? Oh, no, I'm just reading him as that. Why? ~reasons~!"


C'mon, TiphaneD.
Diddle my wiener and give me something to latch on to.
Besides, given that someone finally told me that you never voted venmar, most of your points on me are moot. I was operating under the idea that you had, and so your responses to those responses deny that revelation.

@Muffin: While you're still here, why are you reading Rach as scum? Can you give a quote or something for me to look at, and explain that read a bit more thoroughly? I've seen too many rach mislynches pushed through due to Rach's playstyle, and, frankly, she's indecipherable for me.

@AJ: I think that muffinman vig shot deal is a joke, tbh. Notscience oscillates between contribution and high-noise fluff. I agree with your points on how to engage with the IC.

-V

[Faster Than Light]

Scum killing notscience would be playing against their wincon. Read his ISO.

why are you reading Rach as scum?

Click the mastin wall.

Thanks.

Also, dat first line.
Unf~

-V

[Faster Than Light]

Logging out for awhile.
If you need to address me, use bold around my name when doing so.
Here's to hoping I can reach MS today.

-V

[Faster Than Light]

reads are bad bad bad, and if I had a go at it I would say that he is either bussing ftl (it is around that time)

It's this one.

Look at the way FTL calls out TD for voting him for weak reasons under pressure, but doesn't even bat an eye at Nick, who is doing

exactly that

.

Oh God... now the issue with Notscience and Rach living together...

No, Rach lives with NobodySpecial. She's saying she refers to notscience as Notty because NobSpec is commonly referred to as NS.

@895Be careful mollie, if you keep grasping at straws that hard, you'll break them, and then you won't be able to keep drinking whatever hard liquor you were drinking when you made that post. Can yall like talk about reads before the end of day one? Is there some reason why have to wait for the first night to talk?

Can we get some more votes on this scumbutt please? ^

@Nickthename: He didn't? Holy shit, you're right. I must've misread his 128, it's a lot more clear now that he's just pissed at how Venmar played his PGO claim. I've never hydra'd with metal sonic, but we've got several PMs sent between us trying to get in touch. Skype isn't letting our messages hit each other, and MS isn't responding to me in the MafiaChat, so I just PM'd him my facebook account, so I hope he'll get in touch with me through that. MS plays this sort of way in all of his games, which is why I hydra'd with him. I'm usually way more long-winded and I focus on individual posts a lot. MS is tangental and assess the game as a whole, his posts seeming disconnected from the post-by-post discussion. Also, I can never fucking read him, so I'd rather be on his side than not.

-V

Fairly certain this addresses Nick's concerns about my slot.

-V

Quoting for Hydra integrity.

-V

[Faster Than Light]

@B&B: Re-reading, I get that you're trying to dock points from -both- me and Nick, but your lens is set there.

@TD: You made a case. Good. It didn't take off. Make it stronger. Investigate. Do work, you hobgoblin. Don't just cross arms because no one listened to you once and now you gotta insult them because they want you to validate, reinforce, and present your voice.

-V

[Faster Than Light]

Mastin, that's postmodern as fuck, but I'll bring you further than that:
The 'true face' was a mask, too.
One mirrors the other such in the way that one and one make three.

@Mala: Squirm more, scum. You're looking for the easiest target now that you've got some force behind your wagon? Step it up, senpai.

-V

[Faster Than Light]

@Mala: Dude, don't be such a shitlord. Please.
First of all, if Mastin defends me, it doesn't automatically make him scum just because you're reading me as scum. That's a shitty offense and it absolutely waives aside the points Mastin is bringing to the table. Yeah, I think it might be buddying to step in when my wagon's at like 5 or 6 and say "No, wait, FTL is town" without being prompted to do so, but that's a line of inquiry I'll be following on my own, later.
Secondly, you're not very well read if you think that my ban was a straight-forward Trust-Tell case. Read the 'Pooky Tell' thread and stop being such a narrow-sighted player. I even talked about how

I knew someone would bring this up

in the Pooky Tell thread. We can discuss why my ban was made on shortsightedness and how it perpetuates that narrow-minded approach

after

this game. Right now, though, it's taking everything inside of me to backspace every swear and insult I've written, because I am

SERIOUSLY

tired about talking about this issue. If players continue to bring it up in my games, I'm going to just quit this site. It's not fun to have people blindly parrot mods who were too blind to realize that my play wasn't what they accused me of.
Third off, I've already dispelled your assault on me in this game, Mala. At this point, I don't even know what you're doing other than poking your head in to scream "VARSOON IS SCUM" every other post, without giving reasons why you're so damn persistent in reading my slot as so. It feels like you're pushing a wagon that other players agree with and you're trying to launch it over the cliff without town getting and damn content out of it. It makes my blood boil, and I'm shaking right now because I'm so upset thanks to this and my earlier point. I'm seeing your line of inquiry/incitement as an attempt to get me to 'slip further', which is an intangible assault that's easily sheeped and denies info and worthwhile wagon analysis.
Fourth, it's irksome that Nacho didn't respond to me at all. I hate how everyone ignores the things I have to say unless they want to push my damn lynch. I've made really good points, I feel, and I've asked players some good questions that'll really inform how I feel about them and others, and I'm feeling like I'm only here to get bullied and ignored. It's a horrible game environment and I'm very tempted to replace out or just let MS take charge or something.
Fifth, I wish that Notscience would give more in-depth reads and analysis, since at least I won't have to WIFOM it five ways to sunday before I can trust it.
Sixth, I really like Nick's recent play and interactions, especially here with Desperado. I don't know how to feel about Desperado yet.
Finally, I don't like Sound of Silence's posts, especially because GiF always buddies me regardless of his alignment. The minimalism from that slot is a real headache.

I've erased so many 'Fuck You's in this post, and I still hate how I come off.
Mala, leave my other games out of this one. I am tempted to push a case on you based on how deceitful and inflammatory you've been so far, but as one player to another, outside of this singular game, it makes me not want to play. At all. It pisses me off. A lot. Please, this as as kind as I can be right now. Stop it.


-V

[Faster Than Light]

I have problems with the following posts:

Spoiler:

How the hell is that a liar tell?

Then why are you reading us wrong?

Ftr that's a lot of scum reads.

Also I'm scum because I'm reading you as scum?

Please, please tell me that's not true.

Predit:

Mollie why. I joined because I wanted to play with you >_>

Yep, fuck this shit. The next person to call me scum off my ISO receives my damn vote. I'm not fucking done catching up.

Give me time Jiffy.. Give me time..

Yep, fuck this shit. The next person to call me scum off my ISO receives my damn vote. I'm not fucking done catching up.

Being caught up is not alignment-indicative.

Give me time Jiffy.. Give me time..

Um let me think about that.

No. You're scum-reading us, yeah? Give me reasons. Otherwise, I call bullshit.

Calling me scum off my ISO without me being fully caught up is the most stupidest fucking thing I have seen. It's like not even giving me a freaking chance.

Want to know why? I don't see town-Mollie at all in the 15 pages I read before replacing in. She's more "out spoken, aggressive and hunting for reads" and so far she isn't. I am scum reading you guys do to that and I already said that when I asked for Fery's explanation, but damn if I knew Mollie was going to rage-replace out due to Fery's answer I would have never asked in the first place.

Keep calling me bullshit when I already made the comment, but I never noted specifics.

This.is.not.town.Mollie.

VOTE: BeautyAndTheBeast

For what it's worth I see town-Mollie on Page 13.

Wow, okay..

VOTE: Faster than the light

Holy fucking scum-tell Batman.

Someone REALLY cares about how they look right now.

I have a town-read Cabd. He's trying to work with Fery also and he did that during Vox's game.

Zmuffinman - Can you give me links on Mastin's accuracy to read you? I thought the same until he tricked me. Every time he called me scum that game I got a knee jerk reaction and kept wanting to call him scum.. Then he bused his team mate and I believed his every words on his "vow to never bus his team mate" and I allowed him to become my strongest town read and then he flipped scum. I was a very, very sad kitten.

Ooh, I like Themonz's 506. I'm not seeing AJ town though. Anyone want to clue me in on why AJ is town?

ZMuffin.. That's actually just normal for Rach in any alignment. She tends to do that =\

Am I the only one who didn't like Ghostlin's 517? Mainly because I haven't seen much hunting from him, but he's calling other people out on not doing it..

I don't like this by FTL. Can you please tell me how using wagon analysis without a flip works well?..

I think I agree with you Notscience.

Welp, I don't like 568 by TD. He's really caring how he looks and he's trying to stay calm to avoid {possibly} another wagon on him?

Bad gut feel by Rach's post 570

However I do like TD's 575.

Okay and I'm caught kinda up to where I was when I replaced in.

BYEEEEEEE I'm going to play league now since they are rushing me to finish!!

Thanks mollie

Mala which part do you agree with exactly? TD being potential scum?

Faster than Light being scum.

I have seen town-AJ once and I'm not really seeing it, but I will need to take a closer look. So they were impatient and started w/o me on League. (fuck you andy </3)

... Can we not defend me? Let me defend for myself, thank you.

Mollie

can you get jiffy to back off of me please?

yeah I know Jiffy has been posting more. and yeah I am getting more of a towny feel now for B n B.

Still would like to hear more from Syr as well as fery though.


Someone said that a lurky Nacho is always a scum Nacho and I disagree I have seem him be a lurky loo when he was town as well as when he was scum, and I have seen him as both town and scum being fairly active. With him just depends on whats going on. So yeah you need a bit more than oh hes lurking he must be scum Nacho. Especially since when you look at his posting history he has not been posting much of anywhere. I know he had to borrow his GFs computer a while back, so maybe he still is having to borrow it not sure on that.

if you knew majiffy was doing most ofthe posting up until that point then why did you say you wanted to hear from him. and syrlacious isn't in a hydra with fery and fery has been doing most of the posting in her hydra. mebbe if you would stop posting in your scum qt you would know this.

Achievement Unlocked:

First Slip

Andrius is Town. Why? Because he's managed to sum up my exact thinking on NS's role claim in thread, right down to the point that I can no longer vote him because he is not scum. Literally would lynch NS if it wasn't so blantly against my wincon. He's managed to find almost all my scumtell buttons.

Mala concerns me because she wants to lynch Nachopappa for one post, and Nachopappa's being replaced.

This isn't throwing the baby out with the bath water; this is putting the baby in the bathtub, loading into a bathtub launcher and launching it to the moon. It's nonsensical the logic here; there's not any body of work to really grade on here. Also, Mala's work is mostly fluff besides that bit of gleaning.

Unvote. Vote: Mala

Rachmarie's not a bad choice because she's reading as not sane as she was last game, and she was scum that game.

So my next word needs super big letters.

MISREP

You fucken misrepped me to world's end, then to hell and then back.

I never said I wanted to lynch him. Do not put words in my mouth. I said I was scum reading him because that didn't look like town-Bert as he was well not around and when he's town he will post mountains and be more involved and he wasn't. So yes, for his one post I did scum read him, but I never said once I was going to "lynch" him. I think if I wanted a lynch on him I would have voted him.. Wouldn't I?

Because generally when I have a scum read, I want them dead. Now, mods for some silly reason don't give me the power to vote all my scum reads at once, most games.

Good for you, but my head doesn't play like yours. If I have a read on a player I post it. If I scum read someone it's because they triggered gut or they are doing something I'm not used to seeing in their play so I call it out. Does not mean I want them dead.

Please do not put your own personal-how-I-play-meta onto me. We all play differently and not the same. We are not created equal.

You accused me of a misrep, remember? If it's because we don't fucking play the same, don't come after me.

That's the thing.. You

did

misrep me. Whether or not it was intentional or accidental you did misrep me. Now you want me to back off? Hell fucking no.

Honestly, your reaction to the original post, even on a base scum level, was extreme. There was hardly nothing to scumtell.

That said, no, I don't play this game the same fucking way you do, and the hyper defensive shitty way you've decided to defend yourself doesn't read Town to me. You could of gone, 'what do you mean by this', or even harsher 'what the fuck are you talking about'. Instead you accuse me of maliciously misrepping you.

Because you did.

Anyone else saw the post I called him out as a misrep? Or is it just me?

Also Andy:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SR6iYWJxHqs

<3!

Because generally when I have a scum read, I want them dead. Now, mods for some silly reason don't give me the power to vote all my scum reads at once, most games.

Good for you, but my head doesn't play like yours. If I have a read on a player I post it. If I scum read someone it's because they triggered gut or they are doing something I'm not used to seeing in their play so I call it out. Does not mean I want them dead.

Please do not put your own personal-how-I-play-meta onto me. We all play differently and not the same. We are not created equal.

You accused me of a misrep, remember? If it's because we don't fucking play the same, don't come after me.

That's the thing.. You

did

misrep me. Whether or not it was intentional or accidental you did misrep me. Now you want me to back off? Hell fucking no.

also mala I'm struggling to understand your thought process here because here's how you entered this game wrt to mollie:

- haven't seen townmollie in the 15 pages I read before replacing in, vote mollie
- retract vote next post, town mollie on page 13

what happened there?

I was really skim following in the beginning as I was watching a certain player play.

Well I retracted the vote for a really damn good reason. FTL scum slipped so I voted him.

@mala

why did you moan about people voting you despite not having finished your catchup, and then vote before you'd finished your catchup?

They were treating me unfairly. I was being given a read off my ISO before I had time to fully catch up. I don't like that.

hi mala

are you the cat who hydra'd with mara in HxH mafia?


i am the sonic who masoned with gif and bork(our mod) over here

nice to meet you

Yes.

You aren't playing the same.

You scum slipped.

You are scum, tyvm.

Nice to meet you though.

You guys should lynch Ftl he's scum. Ill even sing a song for you to gather votes on him.

Also AJ -

The newbie game play and this play here currently is not even remotely the same. I don't see how you can say it is. I also do not like you pushing that outlet because it reminds me of scum-UN doing the same thing to me at LyLo.

I'm just coming off off a 1:4 town:scum game ratio roll and I can say my town play took a beating in the course of that. Mollie scum read me a whole game when I was town during that.

Ps Mollie you are decent at reading me. You tend to read me well late on rather than early on if that makes any sense. Js

Mastin, that's postmodern as fuck, but I'll bring you further than that:
The 'true face' was a mask, too.
One mirrors the other such in the way that one and one make three.

@Mala: Squirm more, scum. You're looking for the easiest target now that you've got some force behind your wagon? Step it up, senpai.

-V

Still not scum. I don't like to be held so yeah I'm squirming. After all I'm a cat :p

Also you are calling you self easy? What makes you an easy target? You're not easy, you're scum.

You guys should lynch Ftl he's scum. Ill even sing a song for you to gather votes on him.

Also AJ -

The newbie game play and this play here currently is not even remotely the same. I don't see how you can say it is. I also do not like you pushing that outlet because it reminds me of scum-UN doing the same thing to me at LyLo.

I'm just coming off off a 1:4 town:scum game ratio roll and I can say my town play took a beating in the course of that. Mollie scum read me a whole game when I was town during that.

Ps Mollie you are decent at reading me. You tend to read me well late on rather than early on if that makes any sense. Js

So what you're telling me is when you are all over the place, and when you decide not to include well-founded reason, that's scum. But when you go AtE and start posting like you have (Look at my iso, I have the case there for you), that's town? No. You were REPLICATING your town game in the newbie game. This is downright your scum play. Appealing to Mollie, who misread you in that game, isn't smart since I'm the one who found your slip. You've already proven your own scum tell on FTL to work with you, and you're trying to get Mollie to defend you.

I LIKE the nick wagon, he's all over the place, but I'm 99% sure Mala is scum again.

My beginning reads were gut. You never used gut before? If you say you haw never have I'm going to call you a liar. Currently I do have well reasons for my town reads, but also for my scum reads. I'm not even Ate'ing. I'm not appealing to her and sorry to break it to you I'm giving her cristism and I did it to her after our micro game where she scum read me for god knows what. I don't need anyone to defend me and I sure as hell don't want her to do it.

I never once did the scum tell that FTL has done. He's scum a million times over, but the fact you aren't considering it scares me. THE FACT NO ONE PICKED UP ON HIS POSTS BOTHERS ME (hint:Fery)

FTL is very much in my scum pile, mala. I defer a little to GiF on reading Varsoon, but GiF also reads him as scum.

See I wanted you to bring it down on paper. You only mentioned his name twice. Gif saying he's got a weird vibe and the other was you agreeing with 'Jiffy. The fact is I still don't know why you're scum reading him other than GiF side. I know you normally call out people for scum-tells, but this game you haven't. Which amazes me to no end.

If FTL is for sure scum then Mastin is probably a partner.

Spoiler:

I'm not liking Muffin

Why? Why did you basically explain every other read and not this one?

Holy fucking scum-tell Batman.

Someone REALLY cares about how they look right now.

Talk about your vote on FTL a bit, please. I don't see the "scum-tell" there or anything particularly scummy in that post.

Can you give me links on Mastin's accuracy to read you?

I cbf getting the links for the games, but there's Brightest Day (Large Theme), Large Normal 137, Large Normal 146 (where he was the only active member of Palisade, I'm just remembering this read off the top of my head because the records of it have been deleted but mastin may be able to verify this if he remembers the game), Large Normal 143 (although he was scum in a multiball game here, so this doesnt't count for much), Mortal Kombat (Large Theme) (he had me as a town read for most of it and never thought I was particularly scummy outside his mastin-esque VCA). There may be other games that I'm forgetting or were deleted back around the end of 2011.

Looking back, I realised I don't recall ever playing scum in a game with mastin, unless it was on an alt I don't know about.

That's actually just normal for Rach in any alignment. She tends to do that =\

If it was as simple as not having done anything so far, then perhaps I'd be inclined to believe it's not alignment indicative. It has more to do with the stuff she's actually done in place of scum hunting that bothers me. I elaborated on this a bit in the spoiler below (in my reply to mastin) if you're actually interested in my thoughts about this.

Muffin it was mostly gut feel that I didn't like from your early posts. I know I didn't like the wording on your vote on Pappa at first even though it was RVS stage. That was the thing that pinged it the most.

Okay from my experience town shouldn't need to care how they look, but scum do need to care. If they do something wrong they get a wagon on them. There's more town than there is scum so town has the freedom to do scummy things here and there whereas scum do not because even being on member down it hurts their team.

The part of what I linked that made V look really uncomfortable in his post was this:

Just wanted to give people a heads-up, because at the current game pace, it could easily look like I ditched out or am lurking or whatnot and I might miss questions directed at me when I am catching up.

It's like he's trying to not look scummy and is avoiding in the future being called out for lurking. As if he doesn't want the unwarranted pressure. It's as if he's hiding something while trying to appease people. You might not see it as a scum tell, but I do. He cares about his appearance.

I'll take a look later on if I can.

Again - it's a null tell for her Muffin. I have seen both alignments-Rach do it. I have also called her out on it previous times in other games. There has been only one game where I was able to directly differentiate between the two, but I was Nightkilled by her and the town wasn't listening to me when I wanted to lynch her. (Well Slimer listened to me, but I couldn't get the other confirmed town to do so)

^ this.

He got a scum role PM along with FTL.

MS isn't playing the same way he has played in HxH and also V has slipped a few times. He cares about his appearance which is a major scum tell, but you are too busy attacking me to see it.

^ Directed to AJ.

Even I would have never said "HEY GUISE MY PARTNER IS ACTING LIKE SCUM".

No, you'd just claim alien instead~

Shut up.

Even I would have never said "HEY GUISE MY PARTNER IS ACTING LIKE SCUM".

No, you'd just claim alien instead~

Shut up.

In good taste, I jest, mala. This is gonna be your version of mara's hard boiled, I get it. Anyways, you should vote mastin with me.

No really keep quiet about it. You can jest all you want, but I don't want to be joked about it because I'm

still

pissed at you for something. I think I have a right to be pissed in regards to it. People can use that game against me if they want - I don't care. Once this game ends - I'll let you know what I'm talking about, kay? by then I'll be not pissed at you enough to bring it up.

No, I want FTL dead currently.

Temptation to claim is high, but I was banned

for it before, so I dunno.
Probably not a safe move to make anymore. :/

-V

This is a flat out lie. You were banned for making a trust tell. You were modkilled in a previous open game for posting in scum QT at night after you were lynched.

Unless ofc I'm missing something here you weren't banned for claiming.

If I am mistaken please do link the game and give me the post number.

(If some ungodly reason it's still ongoing don't then and wait until it finishes)

You keep perpetuating this idea that I 'slipped', and your case is founded on that. I'm not going to engage further. You're pushing my lynch hard for anti-town reasons.

Sorry if I was insulting earlier. Consider how insulted I felt when I read your post.

-V

[Faster Than Light]

My spoiler didn't work.

Bork, can you fix my spoiler?

-V

[Faster Than Light]

[5] mastin2 (Venmar, Trust Fund, BROseidon, nickthename, TiphaineDeath)

I mean look at this sexy wagon. Come on guys you know you wanna join it.

Why do you make posts like this?
I'm genuinely interested in the pro-town thought process that goes into what's above.

I'm glad that your read on my Hydra is founded on two things--saying that I lurk (false) and that I'm a shitlord.
While I'm most certainly a shitlord, at least I'm a thorough, articulated one.
Your call to vig me is noted, however, I'd prefer if you'd outright say if you consider me scum or town. It's a lot less of a headache, and actually provides town with worthwhile info.

Can we all please stop mentioning Xenoblade as some frame of reference for this game? What's important in -this- game is -this- game, not anything external to it.

That said, post 1099 and 1098 make me want to fist my computer screen violently. Stop that shit. If someone's scum, give an

actual

argument why. Saying they played differently in a previous town game is moot, and allows scummy players to vote into a mislynch based on pseudo-information that they can retroactively hide behind. It allows scum an out--a way to NOT form an actual read, but an easy-to-sheep way of hopping on the wagon and looking innocent when it goes tits-up.


-V

[Faster Than Light]

FTL trying hard to look town since july 2013.

See, it's this shit that I hate, that I fucking loathe, that makes me want to push your wagon harder than anything before I remind myself that you're just a biased, polarized player in a large game.

I'm playing the game, and your fucking stupid bias doesn't allow you to engage with my posts or respond in a god damn intellectual way, but you just spread your ass cheeks on the computer screen, take a massive shit all over the reply box, then giggle and click the submit button. I can't stand it. You're misrepresenting my place while simultaneously suffocating my voice. I'm offering analysis and suggestions, but fuck that, you've got to smear your shit all up and down this thread any time I ever have any input. What does town get out of this post from you? You're actively trying to recontextualize my posts in open forum in order to make me look scummier. That shit is useless for town, and it stinks up the atmosphere. Sadly, everyone shits, and just because yours is foul and put on a damn platter doesn't make you scum, it just makes me cringe every time my eyes have to review your post, because I have this little hope in my heart that maybe you'll contribute something sound and strong, or perhaps when I see my name in the quote box I think, "Oh, finally! Someone's actually going to engage me in a conversation that'll move this stagnant game forward!" And no--I'm just hit with a face full of dingus and somehow, someway, I'm the person who looks shitty. Fuck that, fuck this, fuck everything.

-V

[Faster Than Light]

@B&B: Thanks for doing exactly what I called for a grinding halt of in my 1104.
I'm not sheeping your andy wagon, because I don't see him as scum. No one has provided an articulate, interesting case on him. It all feels like hogwash and meta-nonsense that makes me read him no differently than I do independently.
I think you're not reading me right. I'm not appealing to emotion in 1111, I'm decisively using rhetoric to cut at the poor play on TD's part by making his posting method analogous to literally shitting up the game thread. I'm calling out the arguments he's made as weak, useless, and distracting in a way that doesn't do the game any favors. Sure, I explain my own emotional motivations to continue to engage with posts despite this IN-GAME HISTORY OF TD POSTING THIS WAY, but then show that TD's posts deny me even that luxury. I'm simultaneously stifled as a human being, a participant in this game, and as an argumentative rhetor within the constraints allowed to me.


I feel like posting a reads-list or killing myself. One of the two.

-V

[Faster Than Light]

Glad to have you on board, Venmar.

Why should mastin go first?

-V

[Faster Than Light]

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Mastin2

Skull joins cool kids club list.

I will eat your soul.


-V

[Faster Than Light]

especially because GiF always buddies me regardless of his alignment.

So what does this tell you?

In the context of the larger quote I was addressing, it felt like GiF was a bit on the fence about calling me scum or town, which confused me. GiF has been very straightforward in reading me in the past, so the indecision over if I was scum or not, and the fact it felt expressed that it could go either way made me way more skeptical about the SoS slot. The ruling in favor of scum seemed to be made in light of a town consensus on me, but had enough there that if GiF changed the read, it wouldn't be so jarring.

Spoiler:

This is how you properly use meta, you shitlords. See how I use my previous experience with GiF as a basis for springboarding into discussing my issues surrounding GiF's play here, but I

also

explain why GiF's current play in

this game

is questionable by itself? That's how you do it. You don't just say "X never does Y" or "X usually does Y" without giving context and analyzing how X is doing Y in the current game.

What does it tell me, though?
To be suspicious of the SoS slot and regard it with more scrutiny in the future.

-V

Damn it.

I'd slam out the pressure on you, but I've got my hands in an entirely different pie right now.
Too bad none of these maggots care.

-V

[Faster Than Light]

If you tell a lie often enough, does it become truth?

If you say that you're Town often enough, does that make you Town?

EVERYONE IN TOWN, WATCH THIS CLIP:

http://www.colbertnation.com/the-colber ... -questions

COMPARE IT TO WHAT SKULL JUST DID. AND THEN CONSIDER THAT MALA JUST SAID SHE SUPPORTED THIS VOTE.

I can't stand Mala & TF in this game, so, yeah.
Also <3 that clip.
It's 3.35 AM here, but I still can't get in touch with MS.
Going to sleep.

-V

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You used to read me so well, so it's unsettling now. I know, things've changed.
I changed. People didn't like how I played before. They lynched it. It sucked.
I'm not incriminating you, just trying to wrap my head around your indecisiveness. It's not what I'm used to.
As far as my 1111 goes, I got pissed. I feel like I've made some good points in this game, and when players like TD, Mala, and TrustFund all actively ignore and treat me like crap, well, it's not cool.

I feel like my hands are tied with Metal Sonic. I need to talk to him so I can really push my scum candidates into the ground. I don't want to take the helm when he's not here, especially because when I do that sort of thing, it tends to get me lynched. I wouldn't care so much if it were just me, but MS is in this slot, too.

Thanks for chatting with me on this, though. It's nice to get to discuss something with another player for once instead of type things and hope someone will care/it'll have an effect.

-V

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hello this is MS


and i would like to say that mara pushing my slot is TvT

in HxH mala had broken sensors and she tunneled me calling me "omg ms is scum lynch lynch lynch"

later mala got lynched and flipped VT

apparently good thing her push didnt get traction because I was mason with gif/bork and yes mala cant read me

so i am inclined to believe that mala cant read me now either and is just throwing shit which varsoon is getting pissed off of

and yes i am now in touch with varsoon that is a good thing now lets play mafia

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who do i think is scum?

rach is the scum

nick is the scum

idk anything else

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Finally got to talk to Metal Sonic, confirming that here.

@Mala: I'm sorry. MS told me I was coming off as a total ass, too, and that's just not cool (of me, I mean). Your posts really jarred me around, especially how curt and cut-and-dry you are about calling people scum. I'll try to be a bit more clear-headed and understanding with you, but, please, articulate your reads a bit more. It's frustrating to see other players call for sheeps while not offering much new info. For now though, I think I've been way too abrasive and directly annoyed with your play, and it's polarized us in a way that isn't helpful at all to this game. So... truce?

I'm working on a really dope ISO-y/Reads list (instead of suicide, figured it'd be a little more better management of my time) so hold your breath. Should be coming this afternoon, and should synthesize MS's thoughts. :3

-V

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ms here and i cant help but say that even that mala apology was over the top

yeah mala the cat is town imo but that is non-standard varsoon behaviour (amished tell or whatever fancy term you call it)

rest assured that we are town and we are talking on fb right now

making reads list with vars now


pedits: wow 4 posts this is magic

@notscience if something's malfunctioning and then it is malfunctioning
tl;dr yes

p-pedit: gif ily <3

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damn straight bork

strongest mod

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Speaking of the Mastin wagon, didn't realize how much of a following it had. Can someone articulate or point to a case on Mastin?

-V

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Apparently he scumslipped with that 5 scums in the game thingy.

Doesn't sound like a slip. I didn't comment on it earlier because I wasn't really around and when I glossed it it felt like useless speculation. I think it's safe to assume a 3 town to 1 scum ratio in pretty much every game on this site.

-V

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isnt like having 5 scums standard

i've always seen 5 scum in a one-team theme game

idk just my 2cents

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i dont get you

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obviously there are scum pushing this bullshit

who is the scum?

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push may not necessarily mean vote


all voters are pushers

but not all pushers are voters

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push may not necessarily mean vote


all voters are pushers

but not all pushers are voters

<3 you, MS.

I'm going to likely include some wagon analysis in my iso. I'm working on it now, but I probably won't be done until tonight.


-V

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dont worry guys we're making a super duper big reads list very soon(like in 24 hours probably)

yes i contributed

yes varsoon polished it

also i love how mollie agrees with all my scumreads

I will vote ftl to save mastin. his early posts gave me the heebee jeebees but varsoon has a tendency to do that. he can also aTe like a pro, he is a very good actor and no, I disagree, I don't think he deserves a win because of it. he is a null read that I am willing to lynch.

ya i got heebee jeebies when i read varsoons posts from page 1-20 when i was catching up

i had to tell him "lol ur gonna get mislynched again"


mollie what do u think about rach

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also i love how mollie agrees with all my scumreads

note: these are the scumreads that I didnt list in thread and which I just told varsoon to contribute to the reads list


yes this means we are thinking of the same scum

yes mollie finally we work together

(that was bs in andy's game)

also we are the people who dont use cappies in the hydra while our other heads are Grammar Conscious

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varsoon still has not posted his list

he must be busy

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and then the posts in xenogears grinded to a halt on D1


and the world stopped.


in other news varsoon wake up!!!! i am so excited

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and the world started moving again...


notice that varsoon has not posted ever since i last posted

obviously he doesnt have the reads list ready yet

i havent even seen it

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only scum would want a conftown vigged js

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of course replacing him is not an issue


i'd love for orcinus to join us as conftown

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yeah and we can solve the problem by replacing you out so people dont get pissed off over your play

i want orcinus he is nice

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tell that to those who want to vig a confirmed townie

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also varsoon says he will get the readsli st ready when i get up tomorrow morning = 12 hours from now

yay!

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hi nacho varsoon said thanks

good night <3

varsoon take over

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Hey guys, Varsoon here. Letting you know that I am factually-actually working on the biggest, dumbest reads list I've probably ever done. The problem I've hit already is that I was originally composing it in MafiaScum and when I clicked to preview it at one point, the site had an SQL error or something and I lost a lot of my progress. I'm currently nine pages deep in it again (that's nine pages in MSWord, ugh) and about a fourth done. I'm going to run it by Metal Sonic later tonight/tomorrow morning, then likely have it posted for Saturday.

You guys aren't ready, so prepare your butts.

-V

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Hey guys, Varsoon here. Letting you know that I am factually-actually working on the biggest, dumbest reads list I've probably ever done. The problem I've hit already is that I was originally composing it in MafiaScum and when I clicked to preview it at one point, the site had an SQL error or something and I lost a lot of my progress. I'm currently nine pages deep in it again (that's nine pages in MSWord, ugh) and about a fourth done. I'm going to run it by Metal Sonic later tonight/tomorrow morning, then likely have it posted for Saturday.

You guys aren't ready, so prepare your butts.

-V

Hope you realize i wont read it if it's a wall

I do realize this. Don't worry, I've gotten pretty good at formatting fat-as-fuck posts.
It's currently over 3,000 words, but I'm using post-links rather than quotes and spoiler-tagging evidence/PBP-analysis. I'm trying to avoid IIoA situations, and speak towards the content, trajectory, and appeals of each post that I do link to. On the surface, it'll be a reads list with Scum/ Null-leaning / Town, accompanied by three sentences explaining each read, and a marker of how many posts that user had when I did the read/ISO on them. You'll be able to open spoiler tags to see how I got to the three-sentence summaries, but it should all be in a format that's easy to decipher.

C'mon, I'm not Andrius.

-V

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You guys aren't ready, so prepare your butts.

-V

Can it be followed by a tl;dr?

I just said I wasn't Andrius.
Also, it's in a format that's easy to read. You'll be able to know what alignment I've read everyone as within 10 seconds. In five minutes, you'l be able to read articulated explanations for why. Within an hour, you'll be able to see every post that speaks towards how I've gotten to those stances in the explanations. I don't expect every player to read the whole thing, but instead to use it as a means of reading my position, referring back to it, and getting how I feel about every player given the frankly large amount of content that we have to work with. It'll function as a current reads-list, a means of plotting my trajectory, and of seeing what posts through the whole game have brought me to where I am right now.

-V

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I did a similar thing before (don't recall which game, might've been Borkmafia) and I found it wasn't useful, I still got lynched, and players just focused on the shit I had to say about them, rather than what I was talking about globally.

Still, I think it's important, and so I'm doing my own thing here.

-V

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I did a similar thing before (don't recall which game, might've been Borkmafia) and I found it wasn't useful, I still got lynched, and players just focused on the shit I had to say about them, rather than what I was talking about globally.

Still, I think it's important, and so I'm doing my own thing here.

-V

I remember you doing something like that in the borkgame. I think Remembrance/Icebox did, too.

Yeah, I have a little more confidence in this player pool. I feel like they'll actually -read- what I write and won't just cherry-pick and use it as a huge way of slamming me.
Currently weighing in at 4,244 words and not even halfway done. At least the B&B readISO is done, so that's a lot of work down. I'm about 400 posts deep, but I don't have to read myself, so that'll save some hassle. Dreading when I get to players like SoS and Trust Fund, but having an IC helps a lot in the 'amount I have to read and decipher' department.

-V

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someone unvote skullduggery so he doesn't get lynched before mastin is able to post

Lol, skull has two votes on 'm.



-V

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someone unvote skullduggery so he doesn't get lynched before mastin is able to post

Yes because 2 votes out of 11 is really close to bein lynched.

someone unvote skullduggery so he doesn't get lynched before mastin is able to post

Lol, skull has two votes on 'm.



-V

[2] Skullduggery (Ghostlin, Nachomamma8)

He's not even close to a lynch, Muffin...?

Hahah, this hivemind.

Back to writing the Iliad.

P-EDIT:
TrustFund, you're such a shit. There's nothing indicating that's a joke, unless the disparity from the truth is what you're picking up on, but that incongruity is funny in itself, not so much because MuffinMan was making conscious use of it. You probably think republicans were joking about their stances on rape, weren't you?

-V

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Sorry, here's what I was getting at with that:

Spoiler:

For some clarification on that analogy: http://www.addictinginfo.org/2013/07/16 ... -remember/

I think the "It was a joke" defense doesn't work here, Trust Fund. Try again.

-V

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Thezmons #1430 is probably a nice example of why we should not be lynching Rachmaria

Hey. You're probably one of those players who resists just for pride reasons, aren't you? 1490sums up the whole argument if you're gonna be like Mala and said, "buh buh but you're voting her cuz she's useless." Fact of the matter is, it's far, far deeper than that, and the uselessness is centered on total scum motivation. Go ahead and read some more after 1490 of Aj's posts on association and such, and then read a few of Muffin. All signs point to Rach scum.

I'll get to this in my ISO.
MS and I have different opinions on Rach and we're reading the Rach wagon in a way that should be looked at.
Nice of you to notice that disparity, though.

-V

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I'm not going to even respond to such an improper metaphor, and you should be ashamed you posted that. Do it again and we can talk it out with the listmod instead.

"I'm going to escalate this issue when what you did was posit an innocuous analogy that is, in essence, an assault on my logic and is coupled with other legitimate reasons why my lighthearted defense of MuffinMan relies on several assumptions that aren't wholly town."

Trust Fund, don't worry, I'll get to my case on you in due time.
I agree, what I posted was a bit abrasive (if you have no context), which is why I provided context.
I even apologized.

So, let's be cool and drop it, yeah?

@Desperado: For the record, your 1579 speaks to something I've addressed in my ISO already, so I won't be getting to it here, as I've pretty much pre-empted it in my arguments there.

-V

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Hey, actually, I've hit some pretty big discoveries so far in my ISO-reads-post. I really want to get to post it before the day ends, so can you guys -please- not lynch anyone until then, at least? I feel like I've snagged some really important D1 info that a lot of people are overlooking. It's more substantive than anything I can do in an off-the-cuff post, so, please, if anyone gets to L-1, fucking wait.

-V

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Everyone reading me as scum is pretty dumb tbh. It really is funny though, it seems to boil down to the fact I read Rach and Mala as town, and Andrius a bit too. WOW NICE REAAAAAAADS GUYS. jk they suck that's opportunistic as fuck thinking. THINK THIS THROUGH, DO YOU THINK I WOULD BUDDY 3 OF MY SCUMBUDDIES

:3

This.

-V

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You can go ahead and tell me what IIoA stands for/is, but i'm not going to argue with you on this.

Information Instead of Analysis.

I'm really scared people will just say this is the case with my reads list and dismiss it entirely.

6846 words and counting, 7 hours of work on it so far.


-V

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I also think that IIoA is kinda bullshit, because when you appropriately put two pieces of information in juxtaposition to each other, it creates a critical reading of the text. Analysis and reflection aren't always in the form of long-winded interpretations.

-V

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That should be *especially since* instead of 'because'.

-V

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I have a condition under which I'd be willing to vote Andrius right now, and that is if there is enough support for a lynch on him before Varsoon is able to post his reads list. Then if he gets killed N1, I'll have no regrets regardless of the Andrius flip. It'll be magical.

NO YOU MONSTER, YOU WAIT. I WILL HAVE AN ANEURYSM IF DAY ENDS BEFORE I CAN POST MY DAMN MAGNUM OPUS.

-V

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Erm, that said, I do have to take a break to shower and get ready for a party I'm going to tonight. I'm about 2/3 done with this beast, so I'm looking at another 3 or 4 hours of work tonight before running it all by Metal Sonic. Luckily, Metal Sonic can read faster than light.

-V

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Sigh. This game is moving so fast that I just have no hope of catching up at this point. Time to throw in the towel, I'm afraid.

I just PM'd Bork asking to be replaced, but before I go, I just wanted to take a moment to apologize to the player list. I'm sorry I was so useless this game. Please try not to let my poor play affect your opinion of my replacement too much.

Good luck, Town. I'll be cheering you on from the sidelines.

Sorry to see you go. I understand you're running a game and probably actually in a couple others and the speed of this one is ludicrous.

At the least, it was cool to have you, hope you follow along from the sidelines, and this makes reading your slot a bit easier on me!

Also-also, cool unvote.

-V

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Okay, I'm finished, but I kinda ran out of steam near the end of it and skimped on some PBPA's, not like any of you rude dudes care all that much.
It took me 9.5 hours to finish (all of the work was done today) and I worked on it for at least 3 hours yesterday before my text got dropped off the face of the Earth.
I'm running it by Metal Sonic right now, but it's ~9,500 words in its current incarnation and gives up-to-date reads on everyone in this game, some of which... may surprise you.
Stay tuned.

-V

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I dig the new avatar.
Also, no, I'm fairly protective of my town-read on you. :3

-V

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lol 9.5k words

no isos

all original content 95% by varsoon

value added

25 pages in microsoft word

holy shit

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I liked Raven

now we have Silver the Hedgehog

also I need to find out what happened to the show I'm not sure what happened in the last episode but I'm very sure it ended

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idk i think i missed the last episode

the "last" episode i remember watching was when robin finds out slade had a hallucinogenic psychedelic which makes him crazy

and slade mind controlling terra and all that

bah oh well it was one of my favourite shows along with fairy odd parents and danny phantom anyway

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oh and i indeed did catch the last episodes of danny phantom + fairy odd parents

good stuff

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oh fuck really?

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oh haha no doesnt count any more

watched till 2005

along with sonic x

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also i think varsoon fell asleep on the table

i think i can post the reads list now i guess

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actually patience is a virtue i'll wait for varsoon to wake up

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hi rach pls be more town

varsoon says you are town

dont let me read you as scum pls

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Representing the 15 hours of collabrative effort,
~10,000 words in MSword,
26 Pages of what is likely the largest written post on this site,
without further ado...
here is our reads list.

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Well, actually, I might take a note from Bork...

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And attempt to even steal...

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The prized place at....

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The much coveted stop at the top of the page!

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AJ THE EPIC : 25 POSTS TOTAL : TOWN.

WHY:

His plays are consistent and have good trajectory. His reads are very genuine and he’s town-oriented about getting wagons pushed, rather than opportunistic. He dispels bullshit and tries to cut through the fluff of the game with logic and rhetorical appeals. Overall, he’s helpful, justifies his votes/thoughts, and both MS and I agree on this read, so it’s probably on the money.

Spoiler:

33 : Vote on NS is good here, because NS is yet to be confirmed IC and the content from NS so far hasn't been very helpful. I also pressured NS early and had NS not confirmed IC, I'd probably still be doing so. Still, this vote could use a bit of articulation and poise, rather than just jumping in on an NS wagon (which was an easy one to be on at the time). I've come to see this as early pressure, though.

247 : Huge leap in posts here, which shows me AJ doesn't always have this game open. I like that he tries to cut through the perceived artifice of reaction tests so far. He actually articulates his scum-reads here which makes me feel much better about the slot, and his points are well-founded in logic and show that he's actually reading the game. Still unsure if he's active-lurking and took this moment to analyze easier wagons and press them forward, but standing in opposition to the TD wagon is interesting and rings true as town in my books.

279 : Vote analysis to support his reads is solid. The fact he actually writes about it is good, since some of his analysis seems to contradict his earlier posturing of TD feeling genuine.

509 : Explains his Nick vote and does what can be interpreted as a little chainsaw/buddying, but I'm seeing it as planting his feet and dispelling the no-where-moving TD wagon. Right here, it feels that AJ wants to push the Nick wagon harder, and is reiterating his case while pulling attention from wagons he perceives as dead.

513 : Reigns in why he thinks the TD wagon is bad. There's a few jumps in logic from here to there and his reasons for being pro-TD are largely meta-influenced, which I really don't care for. Seems a bit defensive, but I think it's an important articulation to make, given that he's been a bit everywhere earlier on his TD reads.

872 : The fact that he calls us out on our questions bugs us a little, especially given the reasons why we asked them. I felt like I was being shot down here, but what's really important to notice is the attack on us asking about dissonance while we've got a lot of it. Again, this reflects that AJ is keeping up with the game, but also introduces that he won't stand for hypocrisy, which is interesting. All in all, it rings as a pretty weak assault on me, but does address issues that AJ personally has problems with.

878 : Probably AJ's best post. He provides a solid quote-by-quote case and even articulates why he believes things rather than just spouting the dreaded IIoA. What I like about this is that it represents two things from AJ--Solid reasons for swapping his vote and compassion for who he sees as fellow town. He spoilers specifically for Venmar's sake, but it's also in-line with how he feels about the game being bogged down (see his 872 and the much earlier spoiler post addressed to B&B).

883 : Shoots down bad (anti-town) ideas on the spot, rather than engaging in discussion of them.

941 : Interesting commentary on reflective gameplay. The attention to the hypocrisy in the Mala play is consistent with his points against us that I mentioned earlier in this ISO, which makes me believe that this is town AJ holding onto his ideals for scum-hunting rather than Scum-AJ pushing a mislynch.

992 : This is the sort of thing I like to see from people I'm reading as town, it's an approach that I call 'wagon brokering'. AJ wants to support only wagons he believes in, and is willing to come to a meeting point with other active players on that. It rings of town being town-minded while still pursuing their own reads, rather than scum who'll jump on and support wagons they haven't shown they believe in previously.

1203 : It's worth noting that AJ is a bit more conversational with who he's reading as town. He's more assault-based on people he's reading as scum. Here, you can see how this rhetorical approach has shifted with my own slot. Furthermore, he supports his Mala wagon and comes back to it with more evidence, which is pretty town to me. He wants to convince his town reads of his scum reads. That's town to me. Scum tend to put out their 'scum reads' and hope people jump on them regardless of PoV on alignment OR scum just parrot popular wagons. This approach by AJ allows him to consolidate who he thinks is town and scum, and to catch people who would jump on his Mala wagon/logic and use it towards a lynch.

1247 : Interesting appeal to Pathos when discussing wagon-analysis. Gotta agree, though. Scum-slips are null.

1251 : Echoes his thoughts in 883 and provides good trajectory/consistency here.

1328 : Is engaged in the perceived artifice of Mala's response, which is really more of a point-of-view thing than anything else. Some people are just shitty at getting their frustration into words and others are so masterful at it that they can fake it. Talking about perceived emotion is pretty null. This jumps in the face of AJ's earlier desires for mafia to be a cold, calculating game rather than an emotional one, since it's such an approach that scum can exploit. The best thing about this post is that AJ realizes the Mala wagon is going nowhere, but he holds his scum read and shifts gears, which is evident in his later Rach vote. This, again, is consistent with earlier play, when he dispelled the TD wagon--or, at least, called it dead. AJ is the kind of player who wants town to agree on something, rather than polarizing them by pushing his wagons despite appeal and tunneling hard. While that -could- be interpreted as scummy, it certainly isn't here, because AJ holds onto his scum reads rather than outright discarding them and he only really seems to broker wagons with his town reads, rather than trying to get anyone and everyone to jump on them (I'm looking at you, Trust Fund, you shitlord).

ANDRIUS: 31 POSTS TOTAL : SCUM
WHY :

Lots of noise, fluff, and a false sense of engagement with the game. Every ‘catchup’ wall is nonsensical, ridiculous, and doesn’t provide town with new info. Andrius just agrees with other players, or doesn’t, and any sentences longer than one or two words of the former are him hyperbolizing and strawmanning the shit out of whoever he doesn’t like. MS points out that this is different from his play in Xenoblade and that he starts contributing a bit too late in the game, but also has him as null-scum, where I’m reading him as hard scum. He just wants his scum-picks lynched and doesn’t care who does it, and makes a lot of noise about it without actually engaging town at all. Furthemore, he’s a real asshole towards our conf-town and claimed PGO and has pretty much suffocated NS/established he doesn’t care about what NS has to say.

Spoiler:

635 : Second post but offers nothing up for town other than anger-tell? Okay.

648 : Fluffy image posting that isn't even behind spoiler tags. C'mon, Andy.

650 : An RVS post 650 pages deep? Please. Justification for the Nick vote is lacking and horrid, but then it turns out to just be distraction and noise as he turns to his SoS points. More use of images, which is distracting here and unspoilered. Makes a lot of reads based on posts without actually explaining -why-. He unvotes and votes people left and right despite it being a catchup post, gives no real substantive evidence behind his reads other than quoting a line and agreeing/disagreeing with it, and his wall is just generally hard to get through. The step-by-step following of his re-read allows for him to have a false sense of consistency/trajectory if he wants, and to manufacture this idea that he's progressively changing reads on people when there's no evidence if he is or isn't. Ultimately, a very anti-town post that's disorienting and could easily hide him as scum.

652 : No excuse for his earlier post. I wish he'd follow the format I'm using. Sigh. Seems to be lighthearted/joking when putting RACH in all caps, twice and how he says WHAT THE FUCK ARE YOU? as one of his read tiers.

657 : More noise, hard to decipher back and forth here, ultimately breaks down to "B&B has hydra dissonance and doesn’t get along with Ffery, I want my scum-reads voted on, do my work for me".

665 : Gets really loud and annoyed with conf-town. This is distracting to the max, and also really pushes down our conf-town, which is suffocating in a way that rubs me wrong all over the place.

666 : Engages in discussion of replacing out, which is secondary to the core of the game.

694 : Noise and fluff of the highest degree. We get your point, Andy. You don't need to have a 2-page-scroll post with funny images to make it. Also, he fucking assaults a player and calls them garbage.

1044 : Epitomizes his play here. He has reads that aren't articulated, and when he disagrees with people he just posits a 'stahp' rather than actually bringing in a counter-argument. He uses humorous images and hyperbole to make weak points and ultimately doesn't contribute anything substantive to town. Calls people weak, discredits players left and right, proposes himself as a part of a townbloc (I think that's what he's doing with the bat symbol brotherhood thing?). He even capstones it with another TLDR readslist on the fly, which isn't helpful for town in the least, since none of his reads are articulated outside of "THIS IS BAD" or "I AGREE".

1057 : More discrediting, avoiding blame for issues of his posts being indecipherable/confusing, and he suffocates town voices, esp when he writes "and i give zero fucks as to what you think at this point [...] now stop talking"

1060 : COOL DONT SPOILER THIS OR ANYTHING JUST FUCKING FLUFF THE THREAD INTO INCOMPREHENSIBLE BULLSHIT, THAT'S FINE SPOILERS ARE FOR NERDS AND FAST CARS ANYWAY

BEAUTY AND THE BEAST (HYDRA OF MOLLIE AND MAJIFFY) : 221 POSTS TOTAL : TOWN
WHY:

B&B has a very conversational and minimalistic approach to singular posts that make it a bit more difficult to read the Hydra and do a Post-by-Post like this. Despite that, B&B’s had very strong, well-backed reads throughout the thread, is quick to call out and dispel faulty logic, and is generally helpful and outspoken about their stances on other players. MS and I agree on this read, and MS is quite excited about it because B&B town had sniped 2, one of the scum that he had mistaken for in Xenoblade.

Spoiler:

69 : First substantive post from the Hydra. I didn't like the very RVS-esque earlier posts, since they didn't really add anything to the game, but this one is solid. It makes a few decent points (gamblers fallacy, taking the mantle of reading rach, etc) but is also a bit distanced in the way that Andrius' walls are. However, this is a useful post that shows some level of logical and personal engagement with the game, at an early stage.

84 : Fluffy, but fills the bill of wanting someone to talk to. Still, I don't like this kinda shit. Coupling some fluff at the end of a substantive post, sure, but having posts solely to talk about things not related to the game? Distracting.

105 : Poorly elaborated vote on TD. At this point, I'm reading B&B as scum, because of the fluffy content (images, videos, outside discussion) without much cutting to the core of the game, which is what I'm used to from this hydra.

127 : Is a good engagement and ripping apart of TD's 'logic'. It's a nice attack on a scum-read and rings pretty genuinely to me.

233 : At this point, I feel that B&B was just pushing TD's wagon to have an early wagon to analyze. I was scratching my head over it, but given how non-committal/directly confrontational B&B was with TD, it makes sense and doesn't feel like scum pulling back on a failed wagon, but instead like a town strategy to push a shit wagon and then dispel it for wagon analysis.

275 : The first B&B post that I really like. It's hard to do a PBP sort of ISO on this hydra, but this post has some good content. B&B pushes players, especially scum-specs, with questions that aren't leading so much as requiring elaboration for poor play. In retrospect, did I ever answer this?

287, 298 : Solid line of questioning, again.

311 : Uses quotes (which were earlier shown to be important to the Hydra) to explain distrust/dislike of a player's slot.

313 : Couples questioning with the quote thing I just mentioned. Very reasonable play that's in-line with the ethos that B&B's been playing by all game.

319 : Critical engagement and good questioning coupled with a bit of fun prodding and useful analogy for B&B's PoV.

326 : Reads to me as frustrated town-B&B explaining to someone why a tactic doesn't work as either alignment.

340 : A really good elaboration of 326. The thing I like about this is that it uses bold to direct and drive the questioning/argument and then critically engages Trust Fund in a way that justifies B&B's points earlier.

455 : Gives a pretty genuine Rach read that speaks towards Rach's meta bit but also uses context from this game. The fact this isn't out of the blue, but as an elaboration of earlier ideas is really strong for me.

465 : Justifies some of the points I'm going to make against B&B in my overall WHY section.

768 : Glad to still have Mollie with us (and hopefully I can get her in a skype game sometime, 'cus dat voice~). Clears up some confusion over earlier butting of heads and drives forward B&B's position on a lot of players in a way that actually explains and articulates why. This is good because it echoes thoughts throughout the game, addresses town concerns, and makes B&B's positioning more coherent.

895 : Engagement with Nick's list speaks a lot towards the slot's own trajectory and how they engage in the game. It's clear that B&B is interested in conversing over reads, and isn't afraid to disagree on points. This is the post that really paints B&B as town for me, because it shuts down completely the reads that B&B personally doesn't agree with (from interactions evidenced earlier in the game) and it questions and explores the more mutual reads in a way to broker wagons.

1196 : This is the sort of substantive post I like from B&B's slot. It posits a position, elaborates on it, and provides articulated rationale behind why they'd vote for certain players.

BORKJERFKIN : 34 POSTS : SCUM
WHY:

He somehow always knows when people are replacing in despite them not posting yet, he always writes in an annoying non-default color, and he’s really doing a lot that I think could get him banned. His setup speculation at the windup of the thread is disturbing to say the least, and I swear he’s been editing his posts, which is –definitely- against site rules. It’s a bit hypocritical, given that he’s being really hard on other players for comparably minor infractions. The other big thing is that he doesn’t post any damn content, just constantly puts up vote-counts, as if he’s somehow doing town work by keeping us up to date. Ultimately, this low content while calling out other players despite appealing as town and breaking the rules just rings really scummy to me. MS and I both can’t comprehend why no one has voted him so far.

Spoiler:

Hehehe, I'm such a shitlord. Sorry, had to make a part of this long thing a bit fun to read. Honestly, I <3 you, Bork. Thanks for being such an awesome mod, keeping up with vote-counts, and writing flavor that's really innovative and representative of the source material.

MS edit: lol that gave me a laugh

BROSEIDON : 28 POSTS : NULL-LEANING-TOWN
WHY:

BRO critically engages with the game on a couple of levels, and he uses meta as a means of gauging his peers here. That said, he’s aware of how others might try to manipulate that—especially given the meta from Xenoblade. He’s consistent in his reads, isn’t scared to push a case he personally has evidence for/believes in, and he’s done a lot of his own work. Still, MS feels like there’s too little content to put him in the Town bucket yet, and I agree. There isn’t much active engagement, as most of the worthwhile posts I’ve seen from BRO are in the format of catchups. Plus, it doesn’t help that I’m a bit paranoid about his play. It’ll be easier to determine his alignment when he’s able to be more active and in direct conversation with the game, but he’s been consistent and pretty town so far.

Spoiler:

59 : Strong introduction that posits his own feelings on the PGO circumstances. This level of engagement is nice and serves a good juxtaposition of other players who came into the game late without much substance to put onto the table. He also wants to see more from our slot, which speaks towards a bit of a meta approach I figure BRO is working with. He read me as scum right away in C&H Mafia and I get the suspicion he's read my scum-game in Open 512, but he was also in Xenoblade with me, so I figure he wants a lot of content on my slot since he's had a pretty extensive history of reading me. This also informs how I feel I can engage in his reads, and makes me a bit paranoid that scum-BRO would try to use meta-'evidence' to push a mislynch on me/buddy me to winning (an echo of what happened in Xenoblade between me and GiF).

267 : First substantive, highly-engaged post from BRO. He posits skepticism and his townier reads, which give a solid foundation for some later trajectory-analysis that can be done. He's pretty in the open about how he feels about players, which speaks a good deal towards him being town. The concerns he voices for activity ring true with me, and, if anything, 267 is one of the most genuine posts in this game.

292 : Interesting engagement with Venmar that really gives him a bit to think about and respond to. This echoes how BRO has been engaging with the TD wagon so far, and those earlier posts (271-285) speak a lot towards BRO's foundation of expectations from playing with people in the past.

584 : MS and I are a little iffy about BRO's reasons for reading us as town. I feel like he's buddying the Varsoon head and really only engaging with it, which makes sense, since the reasons for why he has a town read on us are ones that appeal to the meta of the Varsoon head. On one hand, it feels like he could be buddying me, but on the other, it makes a lot of sense coming from the way BRO speaks towards and shapes his play around meta. I am being way more pragmatic and cogent in this game, and that's largely because of how I've grown as a player on this site. I already spoke towards making use of this approach earlier when I was being drilled for helping B&B out (or at least trying to).
MS edit: what this means to say that me and Varsoon have different theories on why BRO reads us as town @first sentence
Also strong plat my friend is a diamond

588 : Good wagon brokering, although I feel like he needs to articulate his cases a bit more here. Just being fine with Mac, Rach, or Mala feels a bit opportunistic, given the flow of the game.

605 : The switch to SoS and the subsequent 606 is what makes BRO seem way more town for us. He splits away from a wagon that could be considered opportunistic/too easy and pushes one of his own, providing evidence that makes a lot of cognitive sense given the approaches BRO has made use of so far in the game. It shows really strong sense of finding scum on one's own, rather than parroting other players, and actually provides rationale for the logic there, rather than having just accusations.

758 : Speaks to a lot of the criticisms he's received so far while breaking down why those criticisms are unfounded/wrong. Again, the switch to the Mastin case echoes his SoS switch in many ways and makes use of the same attention to rhetoric and bolding phrases and words that ping scum for him.

1127 : Another catchup, which seems to be how BRO is engaging in this game. It's an approach that allows scum some affordances of false use of Kairos in order to seem more town (see, Andrius), but BRO doesn't manipulate it in that way. What's important here is that he stands by his earlier mastin read, keeps his vote where it is, and is confident enough to have it stay there later when he V/LA's. If anything, this shows that BRO is dedicated to this read being scum, but also is willing to engage in discussion of -why- he thinks so, rather than blindly tunneling.

DESPERADO: 46 POSTS : NULL-LEANING-SCUM
WHY:

This is actually one of the reads that I’m deferring to Metal Sonic. I see his posts as pretty null and tunnel-oriented while still sort-of engaging with what other players have to say, but Metal feels like the case made against us is a strong push for a mislynch without information and that the small number of posts/content ratio is what’s making him harder to read outright. As a note, he has 46 posts here, but most are double-posts and sometimes triple-posts. Get that fixed, Desperado.

Spoiler:

701 : Late entry to the game, but only does ISO work on a handful of people. The vote on Rach isn't very articulated, and previous anti-Rach people have already made these points in much more detail, I feel.

707 : Coherent and skeptical positioning, explains also why he's so late to the party.

1004 : Here's where I have a bit of a sour taste in my mouth. Desperado's been pushing this Rach wagon like no one's business with very little substantive work done other than saying she's Rach and she's scum. The thing that busts my balls, though, is when he says Rach's flip will confirm me as scum. What? How? It seems like too large a jump, especially given that Desperado hasn't mentioned me at all so far in his posts outside of a single instance of talking about waffles. (For the record, I prefer pancakes, but waffles can be pretty dope from time to time) This gets echoed in his 1011, too.

1038 : There's been objections to the Rach wagon so far, so it's interesting to point out that here is where he defers to Nacho. I think that Desperado is town-reading Nacho and either wants an out for his Rach case so that he can push someone else, or, if Nacho's logic isn't sound, he'll continue to push now that he's certain there won't be outspoken Nacho opposition--which, for the record, is some powerful shit.

1335 : The talk of my Calvin/Hobbes AtE here is actually pretty damning evidence. First of all, it allows him to retrospectively and subtly push on me without making an actual case (see: Desperado's play against me this whole game) while appealing to the real meta-heads who are on the fence about me (See: BROseidon, especially). What splits this from the way BRO goes about Meta is that Desperado is using it to call suspicion onto my slot. It's an inaccurate portrayal, because I've made use of the same appeals and rhetoric as both scum and town (See: Open 489 "You Are Not Cats" as well as "Calvin and Hobbes Mafia"). Of course, on a personal level, I feel like using Meta to make these sorts of arguments against players is useless and far-and-away exploitable by scum, so I'm a bit biased on this front. Still, my meta spits in the face of the accusation, and it really feels like Desperado is testing the waters with pushing a mislynch on me. He later cites ‘commitment to the role’ as reason why he’s paranoid, pulling back a bit on the insane anti-FTL claims he’d put forth earlier. I think Desperado doesn’t realize I commit pretty damn hard in most of my games, regardless of alignment. I replace out when I can’t commit.
MS edit: Desperado’s push on us because of “paranoia” sounds like an excuse to push us without having any real reason. I was in that Calvin&Hobbes game too along with Vars and Desp so I see where he’s coming from but the fact that he only read the Varsoon head and provided no comments about me makes his push scummy imo

GHOSTLIN: 31 POSTS : TOWN
WHY :

I’m actually null-lean-town on this one, but MS is wholly convinced that Ghostlin is town, so I’m deferring to him here. There are a lot of points where I personally feel that Ghostlin is taking a town consensus before moving forward with a wagon, but I can also see a lot of personal reasoning being put out for those votes and a lot of unwavering, solid reads being put down rather than the typical ‘scum-confirming-a-townie’ move. I’m skeptical of certain plays, but, like I said, Metal Sonic left it at “Ghostlin is town, with very town plays. There’s really nothing else to say about it.”

Spoiler:

143 : Another really spectacular intro posts from a town-read of ours. What makes this post good and town is that it addressing game-flow and issues so far in a unique way, but it also forwards AND articulates new ideas, especially Ghostlin's case on TD and reasons for putting a vote there.

157 : Speaks to some early suffocation coming from the IC slot before his confirmation. This post is so damn town motivated, it makes me smile.

160 : All the cool kids are posting images. I should get on this. Seriously, though, it's a distraction and while fun, isn't necessary.

383 : This is a pretty interesting post where Ghostlin rescinds reads and moves forward in what I am reading as a town way. Notice that Ghostlin first speaks towards how previous scum-reads have turned out to be townier than expected and then Ghostlin posits where other players now stand for him as well, using specific posts as evidence towards that.

516 : This feels like a logical extension of 383, but I'm a bit worried about how passive it is at points. Ghostlin voices several town concerns, but doesn't really go on a limb here.

829 : Finally, Ghostlin really makes a case on someone. It's a bit of a weaker argument, to be sure, but it's something. I don't like how Ghostlin offers Rach up as a sacrifice, though.

1133 : This, I like. In fact, I really like Ghostlin's engagement with the game between here and 829. It represents Ghost really engaging in critical conversation that mutes out and kicks to the curb poor logic and misreps.

1134 : Don't like the idea of wanting the IC dead. I understand that NS's posts are lackluster, but c'mon.

1143 : Hints towards wagon analysis of the mastin wagon, but doesn't go too in-depth. Town-confirms more people, too, but has some articulation as to why.

1462 : Another good content case and post from Ghostlin. Dispels more anti-town thought than I can shake a stick at, but also makes me feel waaaay better about earlier play from him. The comments on NS are pulled back, and previous moments where it felt that Ghostlin wasn't really paying a lot of attention are turned into points made against various players and in justification of a new wagon.

MAC : 35 POSTS : NULL-LEANING-SCUM
WHY:

Mac’s got a lot of one-liners and pretty unhelpful posts. He’s staying off the radar and not really contributing much to the game, which has us more than a little concerned given the amount of posts we’ve had D1. Still, there’s the fact that Mac’s also had limited access, so I feel like that’s worth addressing. I really want to see a lot more content out of the slot, because it isn’t like Mac is failing to engage in the game. There are responses to plenty of issues while they were happening, but the transition between wagons is jarring and Mac’s content is really lacking articulation. Also, there seem to be a lot of times Mac is testing the water or appealing to Meta for reads, which doesn’t sit well with me at all.

Spoiler:

119 : Mac catches the same thing I was picking up on here--it felt like TD's anger was a bit artificial. Still, I think I tested the waters and figured things out in a way that got more answers then being straightforward and just asking.

138 : I agree with this vote at this point in time in the game. It makes sense, especially to me, given how I was interacting with TD around the same time.

168 : I don't know who did this first, but I call this the JMO slip. JMO does this shit all the time, where the second his wagon builds some kinetic force he swears and gets all huffy over it.

261 : Appeal to Meta.

855 : I feel like there should be a lot more content here. It's just 'nope's and deflects.

1342 : OMGUS of sorts, feels misrep'd, doesn't bring a good case in response at all.

1462 : Meta appeal is in line with the earlier one, but also feels very opportunistic in the vote. Parrots concerns about Nacho's absence.

MALAKITTENS (REPLACING NHAMMEN) : 73 POSTS : TOWN
WHY:

I originally hated this slot and wanted it pretty dead, especially given how ludicrous the wagon on me seemed. Well, of course, that was until I realized that Mala was making use of the same polarizing approach to the game that I often take as town. I explore this more thoroughly in my Post-by-Post, but Mala really plays with the cards a bit closer to her chest, and pressures players without remorse. After seeing how Mala handled me, I came to understand her process a bit more and I’m personally null-leaning-town on the slot, with MS putting the slot down as a solid town. MS says that Mala tends to have difficulty reading him, and that Mala’s pressure on us reflects an effort to get a definitive alignment-indicative response out of us so that Mala could be more assured of her read on us. This falls in line with my own note that Mala looks a lot more like a player rooted in Meta, and with that in mind, the pressure on our slot makes sense in more than just an approach to read one head or the other, but both.

Spoiler:

734 : Expresses and builds a bit on the whole B&B scum thing from when Mala replaced in. At this point, I was feeling that Mala wasn't articulating votes nearly enough and the fact Mala didn't address Nhammen's play at all really worried me.

741 : Appeals to Meta. C'mon, you know how I feel about this already, I don't wanna talk about it.

749 : I already talked about why this vote was bad in the thread. A reason why I'm not quoting very many of Mala's posts so far is because I already engaged them.

756 and 767 : Feels like non-committal catch-up posts that largely just agree/disagree with people rather than positing individual info/going out on a limb.

968 : There's a lot of associative reads like this that make me feel like Mala was trying to springboard onto other reads without looking like she just dropped the case on me.

1033 : This is where shit really hits the fan. Mala was one of my biggest scum-reads up to this point, and it was my interactions with Mala that make me read her as town now. Specifically, she seems personally upset and offended with us and is a bit stubborn with the perceived slip that we made. I've hung on to reads of my own until I got something substantive out of them before (See : TD, in this game) so, when I really started looking at Mala under the same lens Mala was likely looking at me, the motivation for her case was a lot clearer.

1291 : It's here that Mala and I both realize what's going on between us. What was originally Mala trying to expose me via a slip--in other words, get me to react in a way indicative of alignment--turned into a player versus player argument that wasn't conducive at all towards town's victory in this game. The fact that Mala was so ready to replace out and make a truce really speaks towards Mala being town, especially given that I saw Mala making use of a lot of the same strategies I do and if I was scum, I'd milk a player v player situation for as much chaos and noise as I could get out of it, because to most people it'll read as annoying/null rather than scum-indicative. Instead, Mala completely disengaged, which read to me that Mala was seeing me as town, didn't get the scum-response she was expecting, and was ready to move forward with the game rather than exploit a situation that could've lasted for dozens of pages (See : 2 and B&B's back and forth in Xenoblade).
MS edit: I have seen Mala in HunterxHunter Mafia(Varsoon wasn’t in it) and as I’ve said many times before in this thread that Mala tunneled and read me wrong. She got lynched(the only mislynch in the game) so it goes to show how her pushes may not be so ideal as town.
1293 : I can't really give credit to Ghostlin for dispelling bullshit and not give this point to Mala. Here, Mala instantly shoots down the idea of a scumslip and even

subconsciously admits to being town

by asserting that she speculates on the number of scum in a game, too.

1321 : While I like the vote on Andrius, I also don't like the reasoning. Still, it's incredibly consistent with Mala's earlier appeals to Meta, even though it does pretty much incriminate Andy solely on the basis of meta.

1417 : Further echoes of my own thoughts, which is pretty uncanny. This is what makes me thing that Mala take a similar approach that I do, despite being a hydra.

1428 : Expresses the same frustrations I do revolving around reading Rach. I think it's super important to note that Mala gives Rach benefit of the doubt and will judge her on later play (which apparently is more substantive) rather than pushing what could be a very easy day one mislynch.

1590 : Explains a lot of the thought processes asked of Mala and is a generally helpful and insightful post into Mala's process.

MASTIN2 : 30 POSTS : TOWN.
WHY:

MS has Mastin as null-leaning-town, but I really make the case for his towniness here. There are points I find a little dubious, but almost every single Mastin post is amazingly useful and speaks a lot to his positioning and what he thinks while being super-compliant and open to town’s input and questions. It simply isn’t a scum approach, due to the level of articulation and highly consistent, self-assured play. His contributions and good reads list are things MS and I agree on, and the fact that we both have a very similar approach of detailing a reads list and providing substantive evidence to our claims is what really appeals to me.

Spoiler:

240 : Explains his late entry and says he'll catch up. He actually delivers in his very next post, which makes me trust him.

448 : A really good outlying vote and a post that brings a lot to the table. Mastin's clear about identifying his own process and why he's voting here, which speaks a lot to towniness.

692 : Elaboration on his earlier vote, but provides good transition to the nick one. He's very compliant here and even speaks to why he feels his play might be weaker early on in the game.

705 : Really good wagon brokering here. Argues his reads in a strong and concise manner that speaks towards a willingness to co-operate, find scum truthfully, and stand by his own opinions.

715 : Offers a really compelling post-by-post on Rach that actually... makes use of... logic? Holy shit I didn't think it could be done.

966 : I could really talk about how Mastin is town all day err'y day. The posts leading up to this one are glorious and compliant and show cognitive wheels spinning, but this is really the apotheosis of Mastin's play. Mastin brings in a huge reads list, and breaks down every single read in a comprehensible way that reflects consistent trajectory and comprehension/engagement in the game.

1033 and 1399 : Both of these reflect Mastin dispelling accusations in a calm, collected, and cognitive manner. He appeals to logic, makes good arguments in response, and really out-performs weak accusations and ideologies.

1587 : Here come the reveals that Mastin's been holding. While I originally thought this could be a really scum way of Mastin getting town consensus before making a 'reveal', his reveal here actually speaks a lot towards work he's been doing throughout the game and reflects a lot of the stances he's had. I see this as further articulation of his earlier reads, which, by this form that I'm using right the fuck here, I clearly agree with as a town process of sharing info. I think it's a little troubling that Mastin tries to link a definitive scum team, as I personally feel that finding one scum is enough on D1, but he's doing his thing and that's awesome. I tend to never look for associations on D1, since bussing is actually quite common and scum is capable of anything. The fact that Mastin dropped this load of text and then -stayed around to talk about it- really speaks towards his towniness. If I were scum, I wouldn't stand by my wall, I'd let idiots clamor all over it and kill themselves picking through. No--Mastin's here for clarity and is pushing stridently and compliantly towards getting town on a good scum consensus.

NACHOMAMMA8 : 37 POSTS : TOWN
WHY:

I originally was a bit more than paranoid when Nacho took a while to really get into the game, but I had to remind myself that’s just how Nacho tends to approach games in general. When he does get down to brass tacks, he’s very concise, open with his logic, and strong with his reads and his pressure. Metal Sonic also agrees and posits that this is definitely Nacho’s town game.

Spoiler:

531 : Nacho's real entrance to the game, where he mostly just cryptically calls people town left and right, then leaves after voting Venmar. It's... really suspicious.

642 : Really drills his scum-reads, which is a really solid Nacho move. I'm used to seeing these really harsh one line quips from Nacho that get to the core of what he feels is wrong in people's play, and that's super-evident in this post. The transition to the BRO wagon makes sense in that context. Pressure is good here, and very town. Nacho is pursuing his own reads, rather than testing the waters and playing coy.

995 : Ach, Nacho is such a headache for me to read because he does stuff like the former post I linked, then pushes votes like this one without giving reasons or articulation or even transition and blah.

1485 : This is the post that made me really fall in love with Nacho in this game. He addresses all of my points, which is something I had given up on happening. This speaks to a few things: Nacho is mindful of town, and isn't just glossing/skimming the game, which becomes really evident when he gets articulate. Nacho is also seeing a lot of the same things I am--namely, my shift in thought on Mala and my feelings that TD's frustration felt a bit artificial. This post really epitomizes most of Nacho's content posts throughout the game, too.

NICK THE NAME : 50 POSTS : SCUM
WHY:

I have Nick as null-leaning-scum (more of a benefit of the doubt affordance), but MS is convinced he’s dyed-in-the-wool scum. He’s been really inconsistent in his play across the board, and his reads-list has been pretty betrayed by his own play later. He seems very intent on getting hydras all mislynched, and this is what really rubs MS the wrong way, who cited posts like 441 and 538 against us as evidence for this. I feel like the disparity in his play, the lack of being able to cognitively map him, and his swapping between early votes on just-born wagons to testing the waters with Rach is troubling, especially in light of how defensively he’s been playing this game.

Spoiler:

61 : Explains a terrible, reactionary vote here. Even concedes that it might just be a different approach in playstyle, but never makes clear -that's what he is pressuring-. His vote feels like a genuine get-lynched kinda vote here.

102 : Another vote of reaction-levels, and here with frustration as the only discernible reason why. It's not a very town transition in votes or rationale for either.

201 : you know what this game needs? More IC bashing. Don't encourage or challenge the slot to create content, noooo, that's bad town. Just tell NS that his play was shitty or bad or dumb and suffocate his voice.

218 : Another jarring leap in vote. Nick seems to play a very reactionary game, and since he's given no real reads so far, it's not like I can call him scum for it. His 533 addresses this concern, so, eh?

232 : The logic presented here rings true for Nick, which makes his push make a bit more sense, but I wish it didn't have to get questioned out of him.

748 : Finally does something other than putting suspicion on hydras and pushing/defending his mac vote. I like this engagement, but this is a bit early to be town-reading mala, imo.

873 : About time you got some articulated reads on the table. Could use this as evidence of town gauging, but the reads speak against it. Gotta love how he's got hydras all grouped in his scum/null scum slots. If he just has frustration/difficulty reading hydras, he shouldn't have them all there. His vote on me isn't very well articulated and actually relies on the fact that I was playing logically based on my misunderstanding at one point. Also don't like his point on Mastin. His scum-reads outside of mac aren't very substantive and his town reads are all based in

feels

and

looks

.

938 : A really bad case on Mastin, who I'm reading as town at this point. Nick's points are a misrep/strawman on Nick's part, perception of a 'slip', and interpretation of lying without giving proof otherwise.

969 : Nick, this sounds a lot like an unfounded OMGUS and I don't know if you're painting it in such a way to avoid responsibility, or if you're legit making a case against someone because his reasons for voting you aren't as articulated as you'd like. Mastin isn't even being exploitative, he's actually really well plotted out if you read him. Having difficulty wrapping my head around town motivation for Nick's case on Mastin.

1022 : Despite practically town-reading Rach earlier, Nick's quick to throw some fuel on the building Rach fire right here without committing a vote.

1386 : Gotta call everyone scum, dont'cha?

1504 : This last post is more of what I've seen in 1022. It's like Nick's testing the waters too much with the Rach wagon. If he supports it, he should vote it, and get a damn reaction from it, or something. That's how Nick was playing in his first dozen posts, but it's completely gone here.

NOTSCIENCE: 146 POSTS : TOWN
WHY:

Confirmed Innocent Child role. Also, NS’s play here is very akin to his town play elsewhere on-site. It makes me really upset that people are trying to suffocate his voice. You know who you are, shitlords. I see you postin’ round thread, with NS suffocation and I’m like,
Fuck You.

Spoiler:

MS edit: oh look a picture

RACH MARIE : 18 POSTS : NULL
WHY:

Metal Sonic has Rach Marie as scum, but I’m really seeing this as her town game. I’ve –never- seen Rach post a reads list, so I’m pretty damn bewildered, but what makes me sold on the fact that she’s town is how much people are trying to justify a lynch on her without using any info. They just keep saying she’s useless and stifling her voice while simultaneously testing the waters to see if the wagon’ll just explode. It’s infuriating to see her slot handled that way, and she does bring a bit of it on herself, but it feels like a lot of the people that want to see her lynched want it for all the wrong reasons.

Spoiler:

I was going to do a PbP for Rach, but it'd be so meta-based and IIoA that I threw it out right when I got started. I can't read Rach's posts worth a damn, and it always feels like she engages games in this way. The way other people interacted with her wagon, though, that's what makes me think she's town. Also, Nacho and Mastin make pretty good and unbiased points on her.

SKULL DUGGERY : REPLACED OUT : NULL
WHY:

MS was reading the slot as null without enough content and I saw Skull as town with appropriate content for the areas when Skull was still catching up. Still, the replace out rings a bit town as me, but MS insists it’s a null read that we should make and just start from the ground-up with whoever replaces in.
MS edit: yeah she’s hosting a game so she’s pretty busy but in Calvin&Hobbes (with varsoon, bro, and desperado) she was able to put a signboard over her head that says “TOWN TOWN TOWN”. I don’t see that here which makes me sad

SOUND OF SILENCE : 183 POSTS : TOWN
WHY:

This hydra is one of the other slots that both MS and I agree on the alignment of fully. I was skeptical of the play coming from the hydra, but it was addressed and now I’m fairly confident in reading it. SoS has a very minimal approach, especially in the early game, but is town in how they handle inquiries and pressure. There’s a good deal of consistency and forging individual reads rather than going with town consensus.

Spoiler:

234 : This is a pretty damn usual line of questioning that I expect from this hydra. It's non-committal, and cuts to the core of what's being asked.

488 : Gives Varsoon a boner.

492 : This is where I immediately saw the slot as town. It rings really true with the play that's been implemented by the slot so far. I don't know how, but this hydra is like a damn Zen master, empty yet able to effectively strike blows and corral its targets.

596 : Scum SoS would have a vote here. Town SoS seems to build suspicion and let players answer for themselves rather than exploiting a case and pushing a potential mislynch.

955 : Reads list is very in-line with SoS's play so far. It doesn't need to justify anything, but also doesn't contradict earlier play and shows a logical progression from the start of the game based on SoS's interactions.

1099 : If I am reading correctly, this is the first serious vote from this slot. It goes to show how conservative SoS is, which speaks a lot to the town approach both MS and I are perceiving from the slot right now--SoS could easily be exploitative and use that minimal approach to cloud information, positioning, etc, and mislynch for days. That's not the case. I see very clearly every move SoS takes and it isn't fluffed up with rhetoric and bullshit. SoS is playing a very thoughtful, town-minded game here.

1139 : This shows how serious SoS takes the game, if no one was following it to this point. There's direct engagement with me, and, through our exchange, SoS changes their mind on the slot, which I feel is pretty compelling and town to do, given how easy of a wagon I am to push today.

1158 : If nothing else compels me to read this slot as town, this does. It not only engages directly and answers a question with a helpful, pro-town response, but also gives much-desired elaboration on certain reads that's consistent and concise. This approach gets echoed a lot in later posts, too.

THEZMON221 : 64 POSTS : SCUM
WHY

: I re-he-he-heeaaaly hate this slot’s play. He takes town consensus left and right, sheeps whatever wagon is going large at the time, parrots what other people say (even tries to act like his points are genuinely his), and suffocates any arguments that are posited otherwise. The worst thing is that he admits to all this, too. MS also feels that the play from this slot is bad, and will not object to a lynch on him.

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506 : A bit late to be exploiting my posts for a mislynch, isn't it? No info is given in response to my posts, but just broad, victimizing speculation.

510 : Doesn't seem to have experience with the Rach. Caught between a Rach and a hard place? Whatever gets his Rachs off. This post certainly can't stop the Rach. Okay, okay, I'm done. Really, though, I hate his buddy/corral of Muffin Man here and in the previous post. It's ugly.

629 : Gets so defensive with me, which is kinda cute, but not endearing in the least. Honestly, he assaults my character (you didn't read my posts approach), and somehow thinks his reads-list doesn't just parrot town sensibilities? Okay, sure. He even provided the qualifier of feeling weaker about scum, as if those reads could shift drastically given new evidence. Sounds real confident, individually progressive, and town. Wait, no, it's actually the opposite of that.

647 : I hate all the distance this slot keeps making with "You don't know/understand".

671 : DING DING DING DING YOU ARE OUR ONE HUNDREDTH CUSTOMER! PLEASE TAKE THIS AWARD FOR BEING YET ANOTHER PERSON TO DISCOURAGE NS AND TELL HIM HIS PR PLAY WAS BAD! OH, YOU KEEP IT UP CONSISTENTLY ALL THE WAY TO POST 712! YOU SURE ARE HELPFUL, WITH LINES THAT POLARIZE THE IC AND IMPLY THAT -ALL OF TOWN- AGREES HE IS AN IDIOT! YOU SURE ARE GREAT! ALL HAIL THEZMON!
MS edit: holy shit what is this
But I also do feel that #655 and #647 (and more) were horribad

939 : Slips off my wagon when it's going nowhere to pursue an even easier one to push through to a mislynch? Oh, but I bet the reasons for it are soundly town and not something like, "I'm going to totally sheep Molliffy here, since it gives me the perfect reason to hop ships to a different wagon." Because, you know, that would only be like open admission to swapping to a wagon that you got consensus on before joining in scum-reading and then hopping when you saw an opportunity to do so! TheZMon would never implement such level-1 scum play! (Yeah bitches, the levels are back.)
MS edit: I don’t know what Varsoon does with his level1-2-3-4 town/scum play thing and I don’t wanna know xD
957 : It's a cool thing that you try to distance yourself from the scummy play of your slot earlier by being an insufferable elitist about it. Give me your number later cool guy, I want to go on a date and throw my drink at you and skip out on the bill. You'll probably call me scum for that, too, but won't hop on my wagon until a recognized townie does so. It's okay if you ironically refer to your play as scummy.

1015 : You're okay with any mislynch, that's good. Oh, hey, hold on, what was that? "But nick is a bigger wagon and more support has been garnered for it." Where... is the town motivation for sheeping the Nick wagon again? I know you parroted reasons why -other- townies want Nick hung, but why do you get a pass when you're clearly playing Level 1 Scum? Well, at the very least, you're trying to consistently stay on a wagon that you support, rather than throwing your vote onto whatever wagon has mass-appeal, right?

1017 : "If the nick wagon shows stalling, then I'll consider the switch." Oh, nevermind, I guess you

are

doing what I just said.

1354 : Well, at least, at the very least, TheZmon doesn't see it scummy when other people do the same thing as--"You go from championing a wagon... to immediately jumping ship the first logical sign of reasoning for mastin being town shows up? Anybody else get some whiplash here?" Okay, fuck it, I'm done. I give up. You're clearly yanking my chain or something. I bet you later go on to vote Rach, call more players useless, suffocate the IC, and tell people they are awful, don't understand, and CANNOT argue against you, for reasons that are poorly founded and contradict your play up to those points.
MS edit: Vig thezmon pls

TIPHANE DEATH : 76 POSTS : TOWN
WHY:

Our interactions with TD let us really see that his actions were motivated by a town polarization/frustration against me rather than scum motivation. His votes kinda fly all over the place, but he’s very detailed in what brings him from one point of mind to another, and his votes tend to be pretty outlying and individual. MS is reading the slot as town with me, so it kinda locks it in for me right now.

Spoiler:

I’m so tired of this post-by-post and it’s 3 AM and I’ve been working on it for 10 hours now. No one is probably even going to read what’s behind the spoilers, either. Also, it’s fucking hard to do a Post-by-Post-Analysis on a player like TiphaneD, who posts so across the board with one-liners, quips, and so on. I feel like I already engaged in some significant interaction with him in the early-day that gave me this read, and he’s been living up to it so far.
MS edit: 9k words lmao

TRUST FUND : 178 POSTS : SCUM
WHY:

Trust Fund’s contributions to the game are high-noise and low content, often sheeping out popular and pushable wagons such as Mastin, Skull, and me. Post 1077 really epitomizes this, as the kill list goes for days on people who town is iffy about/has a current scummy read on. TF doesn’t broker wagons or even do significant scum hunting, but just sits in the thread, gut reacts to posts, and passes off reads that magically change and come out of nowhere when it’s convenient to the hydra to have someone in the scum or town slot. MS agrees on the points about insubstantial and loud contributions and posits that TF has a lot of fluff and he has no clue who Sasha is.
MS edit: I later realize that sasha is cabd
If that is the case then cabd has lots of explaining to do(because this is poor considering my high expectations from him)
Vars Edit: I think Sasha is supposed to be Syrana?

Spoiler:

VENMAR : 94 POSTS : NULL-LEANING-TOWN
WHY :

Venmar’s frustration feels pretty town to me, to be honest. While I don’t agree with most of his points, especially the ones against Mastin, it feels like Venmar sees himself as a bit isolated and unrecognized as a voice in this game, despite his high output of noise. If anything, his play reminds me of myself in Xenoblade. MS is unsure if to read him as null-leaning-scum or just village idiot/town.

Spoiler:

ZMUFFINMAN : 86 POSTS : NULL-LEANING-TOWN
WHY :

MS insists that Zmuffinman is town, citing his strong town contributions, willingness to engage with the game/players in it, and his helpfulness to people so far. Personally, I haven’t had any interaction with him so far, so I’m null on the slot, with some hints of scumminess and some of towniness, especially since I don’t know how to really interpret a lot of the posturing happening here. Still, I’m gonna defer this one to MS, because he’s a bit better at reading people who we haven’t directly engaged with, whereas I feel like I’m more on the mark when I’ve gotten the chance to talk to someone.

Spoiler:

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Also, I think this is now relevant:

unvote

Vote : Nickthename

MS and I have agreed that this is the best vote we can make in light of all this information. If anything, we're not voting on anyone else outside of our SCUM pool (Nick, Andy, TrustFund, and Zmon) today.

p-EDIT: If you aren't joking, I'm going to crawl into a corner and die.

-V

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because varsoon does not know how to make tl;dr posts

MS's tl;dr version:
AJ = town
Bnb = town
ghostlin = town
mala = town
mastin2 = town
nacho = town
notscience = town
Sos = town
TD = town


Bro = leaning town
muffin = leaning town
venmar = leaning town

skull = null
rach = null

desp = leaning scum
mac = leaning scum


scum are andy/trust fund/ nickthename / thezmon

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because i dont like nick

neither does varsoon

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scum are andy/trust fund/ nickthename /thezmon

Without reading, I'm going to guess the stuff you noticed about thezmon is the same stuff that's keeping me from putting him into my town reads. I also think if Andrius

is

scum, that thezmon makes sense as a partner, and it would probably mean RM is town or there's some really hard bussing going on right now.

But I'm not confident that Andrius is scum atm.

Also, why vote nick over Andrius? The Andrius wagon clearly has more support.

MS and I talked about it for a bit and I essentially gave him that pool of four scum and we both chose two players from it as our top vote candidates and the overlap was Nick.
It's not like it isn't up for discussion, but we wanted to give a fresh view on things, with a vote we both agreed on at the time of the wall.

-V

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Pfft, typical Bork, talking about a replacement in purple when not addressing the huge case I made on him.

Also! Welcome to the game, Mutley. It's cool to have you.

-V

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yay mutley

welcome and have fun reading 70 pages


or you could read varsoon's wall up there for a tl;dr version

or you could read my tl;dr of varsoon's wall for a far too long;dr version

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lol the whole wall is pbpa

based on our philosophy that pbpa is better than iioa



anyway i dont like nick he is old and cranky

if you iso me you can find the post where i told him to stare at my avatar standing 75° from the ground

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while tapping his foot

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maybe you can tell varsoon about that because i dont buy it

if you relook at the wall varsoon says he's "null leaning scum" but he's scumscumscum to me

so i am not in a good position to comment on that atm

any other questions you may have pls feel free to ask i will answer to best of my ability

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@zMuffin: No one likes Post-by-Post-Analysis. Inb4 everyone complains. I like looking at individual posts and not using context to make them appeal more. I think a player's ISO should stand on its own. Kairos is important, but it's D1, so any response can be easily manufactured with even minimal context. Of course someone would fuel a mislynch when given an in to do so.
Also, inb4 people say pbpa = IIoA. It's post-by-post

Analysis

. Some people probably think the PBPA is entirely why I am reading people. No, the -why- parts of my posts are -why- I am voting someone. The PBPA allows a bit of a reflection on how I got there.

-V

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You're entitled to believe whateva you want. I think that I could give you examples of where I feel otherwise on those andy points, but they're pretty much all there in my wall.
Don't feel like exhausting that front. Glad that people disagree with what I have to say, and want to look at more than just the reads on themselves. Well, so far, at least.

:3

-V

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hint: NS is a IC

here goes nothing

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tip: have fun! <3

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I liked FTL's ( Varsoons ) explanation of what they think of me, he did seem to nail how I feel in pretty much a lot of my games.

I looked at the post in general, i didn't read the post by post but I read most of the "WHY" explanations, and while I disagree with his read on Mastin, TD, and Trust Fund in particular, and while the Bork section was really dumb and really off to me, I think the post in general has more town motivation than scum motivation... so i'm going to drop FTL from my scumreads for the time being.

Fairnuff, but we can agree on Andrius, Nick, and TheZmon, yes?

-V

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tip: have fun! <3

Is TIP in this game?

Nope.


-V

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@Desperado: Please don't misrepresent my Rach case. My justifications for her being town are largely based on wagon/FoS analysis. It makes plenty of sense. Also, I'm pretty sure that Rach is a Null read from our hydra.

I see 1038 as you seeing that Nacho is a strong town voice recognized across town. Letting Nacho make a Rach case for you is suspect to me.

-V

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@Desperado: On the point of me not having a case, that's fair. I don't have a substantial case. It's a case, though, so don't undermine it.

On your Nacho point, I read it like asking the opposing army what weapons and troops they have. If Nacho didn't have a strong town case on Rach, you could push the lynch hard. If Nacho did, you had an 'out' to swap to town-reading her.

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@Desperado: I think it's a bit difficult to explain why Nacho is wrong, no offense.

@NS: What are your thoughts on the TrustFund hydra? Also, do you support our vote on Nick?

@SoS: I think most of what bugs me about TrustFund is in game approach and representation/engagement.

-V

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Fairnuff, Nick.

My vote stays, though.
And my reads are based on taste. Why did you think I once asked Cabd to order me a pizza?
I am happy to see your engagement on my case, though. I think that the rest of town can be the judge of which points ring true.

-V

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Speaking of ordering food, there's a place nearby that delivers ice-cream. If you wanna, please get me some. Make if vanilla, though. That's the flavor I always get when I order it. I might even order some tonight, actually. I'll let you know how delicious it is, mwahahah.

@Ghostlin: Muttley isn't exactly a bastion of town play, but I've seen him make good players mid-game.
Out of the overlap in our scum reads, which ones would you like to discuss/see as a D1 lynch? I'd like this day to wrap up soon, it's gone on way too long and I think we have more than enough info to get at least one scum.

-V

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Has anyone considered me being aggressive is NOT an alignment tell? There has been multiple games where this has been brought up.

If you misrep me of course I'm going to accuse you of a misrep. I don't stand for that. if it wasn't a direct misrep I would have left it alone, but it was a direct misrep. The fact you are bringing it up and trying to paint me scum from it is ridiculous.

I have to get to FTL's post after work. I have some issues with it.

It makes sense, it's just that aggression can be a good wall of smoke to hide behind as scum. It's all about motivation/reason.

-V

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Speaking of ordering food, there's a place nearby that delivers ice-cream. If you wanna, please get me some. Make if vanilla, though. That's the flavor I always get when I order it. I might even order some tonight, actually. I'll let you know how delicious it is, mwahahah.

@Ghostlin: Muttley isn't exactly a bastion of town play, but I've seen him make good players mid-game.
Out of the overlap in our scum reads, which ones would you like to discuss/see as a D1 lynch? I'd like this day to wrap up soon, it's gone on way too long and I think we have more than enough info to get at least one scum.

-V

Our choices, from your reads list, V, are Trust Fund/Andrius. That's not much there to work with.

I could see my way onto an Andrius lynch, but I like RM quite a bit more and will probably end on that wagon MUCH closer to lynch. I don't trust my Trust Fund read at this juncture enough to push it much more beyond 'let's continue to discuss Trust Fund's play'.

MS and I would both be really happy with an Andrius lynch, to be honest. We're null on Rach, and I really think her getting through to D2 will be where we can set the bar for her. Her D2 plays will inform us a lot more than her D1 plays (meta speaking here) and the lynch/kill will inform us way more on Rach than her content so far. It feels like there isn't enough from her yet, and with how much D2 will slow the game, I feel like she'd have no good excuse not to create some worth-while, alignment-indicative material.
I agree that Trust Fund's play is questionable. I'm holding that it's anti-town and quite possibly scum motivated, but other people seem a bit hesitant to agree.

-V

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Ugh, fine.

Vote : Andrius

He's one of our top scum picks, gives good info, and town actually agrees on it.
I'm not a huge fan of everyone on his wagon, but all we need is one scum.
Besides, doesn't look like I am getting much out of my nick vote other than that (really good) nick response that'll serve for a great basis for handling him later.

-V

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@TheZmon : Devil's in the details. Of course you won't agree with my points. I've only ever had scum do that once when I snagged him.

-V

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You have my support tomorrow for Nick.

Thank you. I'm interested in what develops. If Andy flips scum like I imagine, then I'll be able to forge forward with a bit more clarity.

-V

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@TheZmon : Yeah, I was blown away. He just realized he was caught and said outright, "Okay, you got me, I'm scum. I'm not even going to argue back, your points are on the mark."
At first I thought it was some gambit or him trying to sarcasm me off his wagon, but he was serious, and the lynch went through and he was scum.

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To elaborate, I was a strong town voice in the game in question and was very insistent with my case. He tried being slippery for a few dozen posts before just giving up.

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@bnb

will need more posts from bro to confirm reads on him

bro does lurker-style d1 as town though so yep

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fat garfield

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hi, I've been moving in to college, will have less time with classes starting again, I still exist though, sorry that looks scummy ftl.

Dude, it's cool.
I've been moving in, taking a GTA practicum, I know no one here, my room-mates (2 of 3 have never lived in America before) just moved in, and I've gone to a couple of parties and never gotten to sleep before 1 AM every morning--and I have to wake up at 7 AM for this class. In the next two weeks, I'm going to be teaching college, taking Graduate courses, and balancing the rest of this shit.
Look how much I've posted.
There are no excuses.


Andrius, your AtE and how much it looks like it's worked makes me pretty upset.


Saki, welcome to hell.

-V

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Don't bother Saki. It's just all fluff, trust me I read it

I think I'm going to /suicide.
-V

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Saki? Spammy? We've seen worse.



-MS

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^that was a good post

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that deserves a gif^

syryana take honors pls

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Yeah, there's nothing here that's making me want to:

1) change my vote
2) get me good feelings about Saki trolling by starting this off by voting himself
3) do much of anything besides list off 1 and 2.

I don't think Muttley's the lynch for today. The info we get from his flip kinda sucks. Yeah, I get the idea that Skull was sketchy before the replace and muttley is just, well, muttley. Still, I am seeing Skull's play as logical from the place of being overwhelmed and but the reasons for a muttley lynch are in the grey area between a policy lynch and a lynch based on fluffy, bad posts.

Can we come to a consensus? There's only 5 days left.

-V

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Also, sorry for my inactivity. I've been very busy with social and academic obligations. Was hoping MS would fill the void, but he seems to be busy, too.

-V

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Could you explain that?

basically if i read td town then td's probably town(lol)

yeah im busy these days but yeah nothing much to comment on


ps: everyone read varsoon's wall it will make him happy

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everyone please take a look at page 69

or

[post#1700[/post]

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I think we found the two vig targets, at least. But christ, such a downgrade, especially for me with trying to garner some support for any of my scumspecs.

Really, at this point, I am completely prepared to get out of this day. I feel like we're losing focus and content. It would personally be better to get a lynch, get some information and then come back to this.

I think this may be a solid idea, if we have a vig.

Anyway, you're on the money. We need a lynch. I'm only going to vote on my scum-specs, and I've explained who they are and all that in my wall.
I think Andy's responses were too weak/AtE-esque to merit how many people fell off his wagon. All of my points on him stand, especially in light of the content he's posted since 1700.

Let's get our pools of lynch-candidates posted, and actually come to a consensus, yeah?

MyScum:
Andrius (I want this one most)
Trust Fund (Lots of info to get here, too)
nickthename (pretty low on my list, tbh)
thezmon (Same as nick--I don't want to lynch them without D2 info and a flip/NK to inform. Mac and Desperado fall in those places, too, but I definitely won't see them lynched D1.)


P-EDIT:
<3 you, MS.
Talk to me on FB soon.

@Muttley:
Are you scum?
Have you read my post 1700?
Who do you want to see as the D1 lynch?
How caught up are you?


-V

AJ who do you think we should lynch (a pool plox)

Gah, you ninja'd me!

Same to you, NS.

In fact,

Everyone, post your scum-pool.

Ahurdur

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I'm thinking the sonic hydra might be scum but ehh

Thoughts?

I have already posted my scum pool and will accept a lynch on any of them.

Please post it again here, yo.

:3


-V

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@B&B : I'd be good with a Nick wagon, but I'm staying put on this Andrius one until it's obvious I can't have it.

@Saki : Why don't you read and get some substantive reads on everyone? Just saying you'll hammer anyone doesn't give town much to go on, and makes you seem too uninvolved.

-V

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Yeah, we were going strong on that, then it kinda died, and all because of some 'drunk posts' and other shenanigans.

I think the disengagement with the Nick wagon might just be scum trying to keep the day from ending on a lynch, if that makes sense?

Anyway, fine, okay, sure, but I really wish we had another day worth of interactions to inform the lynch.

Vote : Nickthename

P-EDIT: Saki, <3. But, for serious, I wanna see you play strong like you did in 512. Your play here worries me.

-V

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Scum Readings (8): NS, BatB

Um

B&B means people who are reading Nick as scum.

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I already put up my case against nick in post 1700 and he replied to each point in a later reaction.
I still hold that he's scum.
I just don't feel as sure about it as I do someone like Andrius.
Also, lynching people who are on V/LA is a shitty practice.
Still, I don't want the day to end with a nolynch--and I'm NOT lynching outside of my scum-pool.

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I would say you're wrong about nick because of my 1700,
But it's easy to refute that I'm wrong in my 1700 given Nick's refutation of it.
Clashing opinions and all that.

-V

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About to be only 3 days left, right?
Why are we image-dropping again?

Spoiler:

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Zmuffin, can you stop getting angry at a specific player and arguing game-theory and, you know...
play the game at hand?

It's not like I don't know what you're getting at, but it's getting a bit too divisive.

-V

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*shrug* He started the ad hom. If he can't deal with it, it's not my fault.

It's not a matter of B&B 'dealing with it', but it being a huge distraction that doesn't get us anywhere.
It's noise.

We need to agree on a wagon soon.
You've voiced that you don't support the Nick wagon and think that it's not a good wagon in terms of info gained and motivation to lynch.
Cool.
Now, why don't you work towards a different wagon that we can all agree on?


-V

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Ara ara, we must agree to disagree, then.
The reality is that there's likely scum between nick, Rach, and Andrius. Your vote counts. Not having a vote on any of those wagons is tantamount to voting no lynch at this point in the day.
I see that you have a vote on Rach, which is good in regards to that last point.
However, I don't personally believe that Rach's flip will give town much info, regardless of her alignment. There simply isn't enough interaction there, and I feel that the criticisms you've levied against the Nick wagon are equally applicable to the Rach wagon.

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It doesn't feel like many people have said much of anything, other than she's Rach Marie and that her play isn't amazing.

-V

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It's been days.

He got drunk again and is having another hangover?

A truly vicious cycle.

Spoiler:

Fuck you Saki, I laughed so hard coke shot out my nose.

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I think I want to switch back to andy.

nick is on v/la and andy doesn't seem to care he is not even trying.

I thought the Andy wagon wasn't happening?

VOTE: Andrius

Let's make it happen.

Anyone who isn't voting for Rach or Andy, please vote for one or the other. It does not seem like there will be a lynch outside of those two today.

-V

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And, for god's sake, give a reason -why- you voted for one or the other.

-V

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You know how I know dismantling the Nick wagon for an Andy wagon is a shit idea?

Because it's really obviously a shit idea.

Then posit a better one or explain why.
I think Nick's recent activity and V/LA should merit him getting to D2. He's too much of a wild card. Andy, I'm sure is scum. I don't have any qualms about an Andy lynch.
So, why do you?

-V

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metal sonic joins the party!

hi andy


saki is cute dont PL please ;-;

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but saki is cute ;-;

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I read 30 pages in 15 minute! ha!


not that im saying to give 30

6 pages is fine yep


also guys check out Page 71

Page 71

We took the top post

/advertise

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oh wait

i meant

Page 69

Page 69 everybody please go there for some 69 action

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 0#p5230630

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I'm here.
I'm standing by my vote.
Curious to see what last-minute shenanigans Andy wants to pull.
Please, keep trying to deflect to the wagon that isn't yours, Andy. :3


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@Nick: I go into it on my 1700, but you're already a bit at odds with that post, so I'll break it down here.
Andy's been high noise and low content for all 95 pages of D1 so far.
He's appealed to emotion left and right to get out of tight spots, especially after learning which players it would work on earlier into the game.
He's currently pushing for a Rach Marie policy lynch based on Rach not posting in this game, rather than actual accusations of things she -has- done in this game.
There's some meta arguments against him and I personally don't like his engagement with the game so far.


Incoming inevitable PR claim from Andrius, am I right?

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this is the slowest rach scum lynch i have ever seen in my life...

Maybe because she's not scum?
Nacho, what makes Rach scum?
Earlier in the game, I said I was going to defer to you guys (mostly just you and B&B, honestly) to read Rach. Even now, I've got the slot as null. What gives?

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Andrius put a quasi-legal vote there, SoS.

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Still isn't L-1.
Probably just Trust trying either thinking 9 votes is L-1 due to Saki's stance on the wagons, or trying some sort of reaction test gambit thing.

-V

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Yeah, but Saki said he'd hammer any wagon that hit L-1.

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