Mini 1488: Lucid Dreamers Mafia (Game Over)

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Yep.

VOTE: Guyett

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I want to vote MafiaSSK but I don't want to risk him being quickhammered if he is town

Know something we dont?

Guyett, vote mutley, that's the person you want quickhammered.

Have you played with mutley before?

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VOTE: Who

Worst vote of the game. Here's your prize:

VOTE: GIF

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So why vote him before he even gets to the thread?

It look(ed) like you're picking on the one non-unconfirmed who hasn't posted.

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Non-unconfirmed. As it not GNR.

Lazy. Opportunistic. Throwing a vote out to look active to fit in.

Plenty of reasons.

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I don't look at everyone's post history 6 hours into a game.

Happy to move back to the other Guy though since GIF explained motive.

Vote: Guyett

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Eh what? he explained motive before your post 94... none of those answers are answered?

I know he explained himself...that's why I said it.

I am well aware that 81 comes before 94. The marvels of a modern education.

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I hate D1s.

I don't see any convincing reason for why GIF is scummy for lie-detector or why we should treat Who as not conf-town.

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I can confirm GIF's result on Who. I've received a PM on Friday 12pm (EST) (that should have been sent straight after he sent it to GIF) which shows GIF's pm to the mod and the mod's response. It's exactly as he said it.

I was trying to get a cop investigation. Not whatever you would call this. My dream was along the lines of "searching in the dark. find spotlight. see GIF"

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@safety was it only that pm or have there been others?

I've only received one pm from the mod which has had any information in it and was labelled 'Dream Result'.

Why wasn't that told earlier?

What do you mean? I posted that I got the information when I read it. Why didn't Zaicon give me that info earlier?

So either SD and GiF are scum together and town together neat

Although from my POV, it doesn't clear GIF's alignment, just what he did last night. But the important thing is that Who is

definitely

clear.

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So how exactly does this work then? Did you dream that you could spy on GiF's dream?
Also GiF was really poular lol

No, I gave a summation of what my dream was. What I intended was for a cop investigation instead I got a modified-tracker result.

What part of the "you give dream to mod, mod interprets dream how HE wants" part of this setup do you not get btw?

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I also have no idea what Nat's code is or why it is even allowed in the game (apart from the obvious it's what the mod allows).

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I'm doing an ISO on every player.

Spoiler: chkflip

I've never played this setup before. Do Nightmares get dreams, too?

Bad faketown slip. I mean really?

UNVOTE: Gaiden
VOTE: Guyett

I don't like this. It seems a bit opportunistic to me.

Spoiler: Natirasha

Okay, Gaiden.

VOTE: Gaiden.

No, that's a joke.

VOTE: Guyett. Why would you want someone at L-1 at this juncture?

I don't like this vote. Again, it seems opportunistic.

If anyone wants to hammer, I'm giving you the go-ahead. If anyone wants to meta, here's his last game. http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=83&t=29888

Really? You want a hammer this early? Lol, no.

Guy_named_Riggs only posted twice. Null. Along with Marquis, he hasn't posted at all.

MafiaSSK is leaning towards town, but not town. Only 6 posts. Needs to post more to get a more clear read. Same with Safety.

GiF, Mut, Guyett, Who,ac and HC are town.

With that being said, I think chkflip is the scummiest.
VOTE: chkflip

I (as of before this post) have double MSSK's posts and more than the 8 that Mutley has and I'd like to think they've been a lot more useful than any of his posts so far. Especially since he hasn't even posted for 3 days.

So I don't understand reads by post count.

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Cases are scummy and I'm not good at writing them.

Spoiler:

I don't even...

Chk/Guy scum pool for today with the two replacements. Not sold on any of their play.

Probably wont want to lynch any of GiF, HC and Nat.

Rest is nullish

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You expect me to get a read with someone who has only posted a few times?

You did with Mutley

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That doesn't confirm either of them though.

It makes me confirmed provided at least one of GiF and SD is town, it makes GiF a lot more likely to be town if SD is town, and it makes SD slightly more likely to be town.

No, you are confirmed, regardless of my alignment, regardless of GIF's alignment. The mod can't lie and what he sent GIF has to be true, especially since it's been verified by another person. GIF can be scum with a true lie detector result because that result doesn't have anything to do with his alignment (motive on the other hand...) just as I could be scum because all I have done is seen the messages between zaicon/GIF and can confirm they are true.

There is no one else here at the moment who is clear.

For instance Nat can be scum who is lying about her mason claim and gambitting with another scum member. There's no real way to know.

Also, there's no guarantee that any power gained today, will still be with you tomorrow.

Mutley is confirmed mason,

noob

.

Guyett, what reads do you want? They are all original thoughts.

I wont re-iterate because others below have said it, but I love the irony here.

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My vote is still on Guyett more for the fact I haven't seen a definitive reason to move it than anything else.

I have narrowed down those I don't want to lynch and are leaning scum so POE has helped but I think I have too many null reads atm so think I will go back and re-read/do some ISOs.

I suggest others do that now to, at least along side dream discussions. It has gotten a bit too quiet and it would be good to get a consensus before deadline. Don't want to rush anything but I prefer 2week deadlines so I find 3 weeks to be way too long.

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I don't even...

Chk/Guy scum pool for today with the two replacements. Not sold on any of their play.

Probably wont want to lynch any of GiF, HC and Nat.

Rest is nullish

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You two beetlejuicing is interesting

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No Vote (5):

Guy_Named_Riggs, GuyInFreezer, MafiaSSK, Natirasha

Voting would be great guys!

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I want a chk lynch but i'd prefer to be lynched than have a no lynch.

ssssscccccccccccccccuuuuuuuuuuummmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

"I'll say this obligatory 'pro-town' statement, that'll get 'em off my back"

fucking. horseshit.

About as horseshit as what you're coming out with, BigSmoke.

You haven't given one reason why you're on Guyett since you moved onto him 4 days ago.

P-EDIT: why are you trying to deprive the town of information?

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Yes but unless people vote what information will we gain from waiting around for the deadline?

Yes, exactly.

He's also withholding information because he's giving no reason himself for scum!Guyett. There is no town-motivation to withhold reasons to why you think someone is scum. You're reasoning is what helps other people understand your viewpoint and helps you to persuade them that you're right.

Right now all chk is doing is persuading me he's scummy.

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Yes but unless people vote what information will we gain from waiting around for the deadline?

You're misinterpreting what I'm saying here. I'm not advocating that we all sit around for two weeks and do nothing; however, I am saying that these people don't have to vote to have their opinions heard. They've all expressed who they think is scummy and who they'd like to see lynched by the end of the day. You're kind of being lazy by not interacting with them more if you want them to be more vocal.

I've personally been kicking back because I feel my vote is on scum. But you'll probably lynch the super scummy chkflip and I'll flip dreamer and we can all be happy moving on from there.

Voting is the biggest indicator of their opinion and stance on the game. Generally when people vote they give reasons why. It generates more discussion and gives people a chance to defend themselves or to convince others. That is how you reach a lynch and it happens in every game. It also ties them down to a read/vote and can help with interaction and VCA at a later time. On a Day One like now where there is little information, so the point is to generate as much of it as you can, not voting is not going to help at all.

Wanting people to vote (which isn't even asking them to do it, let alone demanding or telling) is trying to interact with those people. Whereas yourself on the other hand, what have you done apart from say guyett=scum? So you can hardly start throwing words like lazy about.

I want a chk lynch but i'd prefer to be lynched than have a no lynch.

ssssscccccccccccccccuuuuuuuuuuummmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

"I'll say this obligatory 'pro-town' statement, that'll get 'em off my back"

fucking. horseshit.

About as horseshit as what you're coming out with, BigSmoke.

You haven't given one reason why you're on Guyett since you moved onto him 4 days ago.

P-EDIT: why are you trying to deprive the town of information?

No, he's right. What Guyett said was scummy as fuck, and you can't just try to discredit it just because it was a lurker who pointed it out.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Guyett

I'm okay with either lynch today. Not sure which I prefer more, but I'd also be up for lynching Safety.

No, I'm discrediting it because it is crap and coming from chkflp is laughable. It has nothing to do with Guyett's post, who incidentally if you've been paying any attention at all to anything in this thread, is a scum read of mine.

So the fact that he already is a scum read, means I don't really have to re-iterate it when talking about chkflip. Nor is invoking terrible wifom an open-and-shut case as to why he is scum. Although certainly, he's not getting any town points for it.

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^Exactly. Blind town-cred grabber.

Safety, clearly we're two different types of players. I avoid paragraphs.

If you can't even be bothered to engage in the game or respond to people, what exactly are you doing here?

Vote:chkflip

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CHK why are you not my lover any more? You never post in the QT

This is all we get after a week, seriously?

GNR, y u flake everytime?

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Hasch, have you got a dream result from the mod?

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Playing mafia. I can get my point across without writing essays.

PEDIT:

because GNR.

But you haven't gotten your point across. You don't have to write essays to respond to people and calling 1 four-line paragraph an essay is a pure exaggeration. It doesn't stop you from reading it either.

You left your vote on Guyett and when pushed refused to explain it.

You haven't given any sort of read on other players.

You haven't attempted to scumhunt.

So no, if you are town, which the way you are acting is not, you are not getting your point across.

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Hasch, have you got a dream result from the mod?

Not unless you count my unvotes remaining visible on the votecount.

Did the mod explain anything about your dream to you? What were the messages you got from the Mod after you sent in your three dreams?

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EBWOP: 471

Sorry, first sentence here should end "replying to it" not "reading it". Although both are valid.

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You're overriding it.

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There have been no further communications.

Correction: I also got a PM telling me the day had started.

Anyhoo, I think I'm just going to share my dream since I don't see any harm in doing so and the rules just prevent quoting PMs FROM the mod, not TO the mod.

3) I am at work, sorting aircraft parts. I notice that somebody has mixed all the nuts together, and I have to check each one individually to see if it has a right-hand or left-hand thread. Then I sort them by size. Then I move on to the bolts. It turns out that the AN numbering system is being replaced by the MS numbering system, and my boss GuyInFreezer tells me that I will have to memorize how to convert AN numbers to MS numbers in order to keep my job. He gives me a test, but the bolt that I'm supposed to figure out the MS number for is actually an NAS bolt and therefore cannot be measured with the AN bolt gauge. In anger I attempt to tear the bolt in two, but only succeed in transferring the cadmium plating from the bolt to my hands.

I guess your dream falls under the:

"I believe I sent out all relevant PMs. If you did not receive a PM, then you either did not choose your final dream or your dream's effect will take place on its own and there's nothing to tell you yet."

So I guess your vote history staying up is the dream's effect although strange that you were not told outright.

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No but good job on validating my case on you.

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What is it I'm overriding, if not your paragraph on theory?

Oh. Okay.

You are overriding my scum read on Guyett. As in, you're doing a better job of doing more things that are scummy so are more likely to flip scum.

This game is far less interesting than I thought it was going to be.

You're cleared town, shouldn't you, y'know, make the most of it?

Truthfully, and I know the implications of this statement, but I want this game to go back to the night phase simply because I think I can accomplish more during that phase than now.

But I like you chkflip.

I'd rather vote for someone useless like mutley.

No. This is unacceptable play.

You want the game to progress? So you know how we do that right? By lynching. Not by doing nothing (no reads, no discussion) and then just trying to policy lynch. Unacceptable.

Give your reads of everyone in the game please.

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How is mutley not scummy, ac?

Funny thing. You haven't listed once yourself WHY he is. In fact neither has anyone else on the wagon.

ac1983 is now a firm town read for 512. GIF, wtf are

you

doing?

People should get the fuck off mutley. Quickwagon this early on? :fp A QW that's a PL? :fp :fp

Anyone that hammers this

should

be quicklynched tomorrow

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CHK why are you not my lover any more? You never post in the QT

This is all we get after a week, seriously?

GNR, y u flake everytime?

You ignored this mutley. Please, start playing the game and not just turning up to defend yourself when a wagon forms.

That

looks bad.

And fuck meta. Why on earth would you want your meta to be "useless and incompetent"? You've been in the game for two weeks, start playing.

@Mod V/LA for next two days (Sat + Sun)

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Sorry Zai and players.

Going to only be half day at work, I feel like shit.

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I am here. Sorry, will read through now.

Eagle's flip makes me feel better about chkflip, I can't see bald's play as bussing, so he's town now. That's about the only conclusion I came to last night.

Oh, and get off my lawn!

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What restrictions on chkflp?

Is there a list of what everyone's claimed their dream was?

I'm thinking either guyett or mutley for today.

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Thanks caled, so making that all clearer:

Night One Dreams

Player	Dream	Outcome	Post
GIF	big spider/cast a web	slowed scum's action	634
Who	i would never die	not revealed	635
ac1983fan	ss agent, bodyguards who	protects who	639
chkflip/displaced	a comic on his set	didn't reveal	642
guyett	private eye on marquis	invest. result went to nat	655 672
caledfwitch	middle of nowhere	unknown	657
Marquis	on a train	time slows down for him	666
Mutley	bad bus driver	unknown/not revealed	674
Haschel	went to rio...de janiero	stuffed animal/unknown ability	677
Natirasha	skin covered in pink ink	turns vote pink to anyone who interacted	758
SafetyDance	unknown	hasn't revealed

Good news from that is that at least one of you is lying about their dream or not revealing all information.
There's a potential 1v1 in there too. Can anyone spot it?

Will reveal my dream when displaced/who/mutley reveal the outcome/result/effects of their dreams. If they could do so soon, that would be great.

Pop quiz for everyone, do you think baldeagle was newbscum?

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Ok was sure 735 had a vote for Guyett in it. :/ Most of that week was fog though.

Mutley should be lynched, if not for his lack of content that should never be encouraged with continued life, we have this which is just horrible.

On the same token, there's no way chkflip should be considered today unless someone can come up with a good argument as to how bald was bussing with his tunnelling from early on. He jumped to mutley easy enough.

Nat's posting has been nothing but WIFOM and ATE as well. I'm not liking it. Gambit = lie. It is illogical to think, (just look at the table) that no one in pink = roleblocked. "IT'S ALL ABOUT ME!"

I had a town-read on acfan, may need to revisit the case there.

We had two wagons reach L-1 yesterday. I'm not sure that a wagon that happened 3 days into a 21-day game-day which contained a self vote is a clear indication that Guyett is scum. The two main proponents (Nat and HC) aren't even voting him anyway. Mutley wagon was more interesting because we know it contained scum.

VOTE: Guyett for now.

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I caught that, Who, but, man, I dunno. I got confirmation from the mod via Guyett's dream that Marquis's dream did involve hopping on the drain and "speeding away", which lends credence to it.

the underlying theme of marquis' dream is one of escape, this seems like a scum motivation for a dream. surely the fact the "investigative dream" only reveals Marquis "sped off in a train" lends credence to marquis using his dream to escape detection?

@safety the outcome of chkflip's dream has been confirmed by the mod, how d'you miss that?

I didn't ISO the mod when doing the table. Doing it now, are you saying 631 is chkflip's dream result? But you just mentioned that post with regard to acfan. I'm confused here.


Anyway, moving things on because I thought I would have gotten on sooner, the 1v1 I was talking about was actually two semi-results or 1v1s there and it's not GIF/Marquis because Marquis dream affected him. No it's GIF and HC and/or Caled. Scum's action has been slowed down...well caled at the time didn't know what her dream would do and HC just said his stuffed animal doesn't do anything yet. Would have thought that would have been picked up. Does no one else see the link?

Anyway, my dream was jailkeeping Who last night, which I presumed to be successful, so didn't get any result there however once day started I got a message from the mod saying that someone had been inside my home and moved furniture around...which is something no one has admitted to in their dreams, thus someone is definitely lying. I did try to hint at it in 735 with the out-of-place "Get off my lawn" comment but I don't think anyway took any notice of it.

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SD has been posting elsewhere on site today fyi

WTH is this shit.

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could you explain your vote on me safety?

I've called you scummy from Day 1, voted you Day 1 as well...why have you only cottoned onto the fact now when Nat asked the same questioned?

Who, second paragraph in 877. Did you read it?

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I didn't ISO the mod when doing the table. Doing it now, are you saying 631 is chkflip's dream result? But you just mentioned that post with regard to acfan. I'm confused

yes #631 is the result of chk's dream, I mentioned it wrt to acfan because I find it odd that Ac's dream wasnt "announced" by the mod, it was just stated. Sorry for the confusion

What's the difference to being "stated' or "announced" and the link in relation to acfan and chkflip?

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Actually no I noticed here

What is the reasoning behind your vote on me Safety?

Day 1 ends - 628
Nat's post - 828
Quoted post - 836

You're going to have to explain that one to me.

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FFS.

So I'm waiting for a pm from Zaicon that never comes and then the day had started already.

So I look through my PMs and can't find the PM i sent to Zai. Not in my outbox, not in drafts, not sent to someone else. So it appears it didn't send. And I was going to try for a lie detector. Aargh.

Then I find I'm meant to be dead and it's in a few hours?

What a great day.

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So GIF died too. That was pretty annoying that he was modkilled. Anyway, it just confirms his motives.

So why was I killed? Well Who has been completely useless so no need to get rid of him until before lylo.

There's probably some truth in this too:

I caught that, Who, but, man, I dunno. I got confirmation from the mod via Guyett's dream that Marquis's dream did involve hopping on the drain and "speeding away", which lends credence to it.

the underlying theme of marquis' dream is one of escape, this seems like a scum motivation for a dream. surely the fact the "investigative dream" only reveals Marquis "sped off in a train" lends credence to marquis using his dream to escape detection?

@safety the outcome of chkflip's dream has been confirmed by the mod, how d'you miss that?

I didn't ISO the mod when doing the table. Doing it now, are you saying 631 is chkflip's dream result? But you just mentioned that post with regard to acfan. I'm confused here.


Anyway, moving things on because I thought I would have gotten on sooner, the 1v1 I was talking about was actually two semi-results or 1v1s there and it's not GIF/Marquis because Marquis dream affected him. No it's GIF and HC and/or Caled.

Scum's action has been slowed down...well caled at the time didn't know what her dream would do and HC just said his stuffed animal doesn't do anything yet.

Would have thought that would have been picked up. Does no one else see the link?

Anyway, my dream was jailkeeping Who last night, which I presumed to be successful, so didn't get any result there however

once day started I got a message from the mod saying that someone had been inside my home and moved furniture around...which is something no one has admitted to in their dreams, thus someone is definitely lying.

I did try to hint at it in 735 with the out-of-place "Get off my lawn" comment but I don't think anyway took any notice of it.

I was getting close to the truth I think (well worst case scenario here is that I was/a, simply someone scum found unlikely to be lynched) which means I may have been on the right track. No one mentioned it yesterday but the large text is pretty fucking important.

Also GIF, who can't be questioned now, slowed down the

dreams

of scum day 2. So that's something that needs question too.

Who's in chkflip's slot? They should be considered near-conf town. I flipped my read on him after bald's flip so if he was scum (unlikely unless you consider bald was newb-scum bussing like pro-scum) I would still be alive. Guyett's dream doesn't clear him but is a motive/reason thing. After all, I think it's pretty clear now that scum are trying manipulate things whilst also thinking of a good cover story.

Natirasha is still kicking my gut in two. I just don't like the wifom, I don't like the self-centred stuff and the speculation in #918 trying to speculate that he stopped the NK is just stupid...it will be pretty fucking easy to find out if Guyett is telling the truth. It looks to much like trying to smear (right adjective? can't think of the right word here atm) guyett's dream.

I can see a Caled/Nat team actually. Especially since I don't think Caled ever explained her dream's result/effect. HC is someone who is certainly smart and looks town but he may have had his dream effect slowed, hard to know, he's certainly be good at bullshitting and I can see him leading the scum's strings.

ACfan, where's there's smoke there's fire I guess. Mutley's slot needs more heat on it. Is there anyone else?

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yes Safety. What do you think about quick lynching someone while you are still alive?

You really think that's a practical suggestion now with 80 minutes until this 48-hour deadline?

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I'm not going to able to spend the time to iso everyone. This was rather unexpected. I may get on before the death deadline. I'll try.