Mini 1488: Lucid Dreamers Mafia (Game Over)

[ac1983fan]

VOTE: MafiaSSK

[ac1983fan]

Natirisha, why are you voting yourself?

[ac1983fan]

Though it is unlikely that scum would choose lie detector.

Right but scum can
you know
lie.

VOTE: SXTLHGaiden

[ac1983fan]

Nah the vote is totally unrelated to the quote
SXTLH is just scum

[ac1983fan]

Yes.

[ac1983fan]

I'm not visibly affected by anything afaik.

btw my other dream was "talking with someone in cubicle" which I hoped to form a "mason" but he interpreted as something totally useless :\

I did dream i was chuck Norris and was offered a xshot thing... Didn't know what it might be so i avoided it for today

Wait a second.

VOTE: Guyett

I'm pretty sure mod fully explained to everyone about what the interpretation was gonna be.
Even though some of us probably didn't get what exactly we were going for, but I'm assuming that his explanation was clear.

"I was given something xshot and I don't exactly know what it does..." is a BS.

Wait a second.
I didn't get my interpretation until after I had already chosen my dream.
I am so confused.

[ac1983fan]

One of mine was told to me at selection(the one I took). The other two wouldn't have their effects revealed until I picked them.

This seems bizarre, confusing, and inconsistent.
I was not told what any of my dreams would do until I chose one.
Hm.

Anyway more votes for Gaiden please.

[ac1983fan]

@AC what reasons do you have fir us voting Gaiden?

He's scum.

[ac1983fan]

by what count is four votes l-1.

[ac1983fan]

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Guyett
Tbh I had no reason to vote gaiden I just wanted to see what would happen, I don't think he's scum
but Guyett's response to is terribad

[ac1983fan]

@Guyett it's called a gambit / reaction test. Not sure that that is really considered lying but ok.

[ac1983fan]

@Guyett it's called a gambit / reaction test. Not sure that that is really considered lying but ok.

What was the gambit here? What reactions were you looking for?

the gambit was acting like I was confident that someone was scum and seeing what would happen from that
I was looking for the reactionary reactions (i.e. none in particular)

[ac1983fan]

First off

Unvote

@Guyett it's called a gambit / reaction test. Not sure that that is really considered lying but ok.

What was the gambit here? What reactions were you looking for?

the gambit was acting like I was confident that someone was scum and seeing what would happen from that
I was looking for the reactionary reactions (i.e. none in particular)

Secondly, why would this garner anything at all?

Because it was a thing
and usually things cause reactions

[ac1983fan]

Alright, what notable reactions did you see?

Guyett basically tried to just be all like, oh give reasons why he is scum
And then just says "oh there is zero scumhunting in his iso k i will vote him"
but that is a terrible reason for voting when day 1 started less than a week ago because like
how much scumhunting do you really expect players to have accomplished by that point?
Especially when it is wayyy more fun to derp around :3
So it seems like he is scum trying to push easy mislynches (like trying to push me being scum for my claims, then going on gaiden because hey it's a good way to get towncred if this ac guy who is town is so sure about this, then pushing me as scum for "lying")

Anyway Guyett is probably scum imho and votes on me are terribad k

[ac1983fan]

He's a newb. Does that help?

if anything that just makes him scummier

[ac1983fan]

So either SD and GiF are scum together and town together neat

[ac1983fan]

I trust Morgan Freeman.

why? He is not always a good guy in his films

The intention was to reference his role as God in Bruce Almighty and Evan Almighty; the intention of the dream was to be an innocent child because I tend to have suspicion fall on me when I am town more than when I am scum for some reason? (I literally just won two scum games by coasting through the whole game doing nothing ;-;)

[ac1983fan]

Cases are scummy and I'm not good at writing them.

Spoiler:

I don't even...

No he's right just ask chamber

[ac1983fan]

I trust Morgan Freeman.

why? He is not always a good guy in his films

The intention was to reference his role as God in Bruce Almighty and Evan Almighty; the intention of the dream was to be an innocent child because I tend to have suspicion fall on me when I am town more than when I am scum for some reason? (I literally just won two scum games by coasting through the whole game doing nothing ;-;)

Hold it a second.
Are you saying you are an innocent child? if so why would it be announced that way?

I missed this post but yes, my dream intention was to make me an innocent child. I'm not sure if the way Zaicon interpreted my dream falls under the "no dream may make the mod lie" part of the rules because I'm not sure if the mod saying "Morgan Freeman says ac1983fan is not a nightmare" would be a lie if I was a Nightmare? But I think it would be.

[ac1983fan]

UNVOTE: Not feeling the Guyett lynch anymore.

Unvote; Vote: ac

.

Looking at Guyett's list, I don't buy that almost half of the game is going to be mod-confirmed on the first day. The timing seems off to be an innocent-child type of power as well; why didn't Morgan Freeman say anything at the start of the day instead of waiting until people started to put pressure on ac?

Because I wanted to be a "Whenever I feel like" innocent child, rather than a "start of day 1" innocent child. turns out I'm neither. Meh.

@eagle he wasn't close to a lynch, I had my vote on him and GiF had just put his post on him. I think he panicked under pressure he was getting and used a post message through a mod type power

Or I just said "fuck it, I don't think this really worked out the way I wanted it to so I'll just use it now"

Haschel what's the deal with your votes on the votecount? Did you dream something to do that or did someone else?

Anyway votes on me continue to be terribad.

[ac1983fan]

VOTE: MafiaSSK
This is just gut, tbh.

[ac1983fan]

Yes but unless people vote what information will we gain from waiting around for the deadline?

[ac1983fan]

Guyett if you're town you need to stahp.

[ac1983fan]

Announcement

EVERYONE must address chkflip in their next post in some form or fashion (with something more than "hello chkflip", etc.).

And if I refuse...?


...But I'm not gonna tempt fate like that.

Chkflip, is this your doing or someone else's?

[ac1983fan]

Chkflip, what do you think of ac and Who trying to get out of thinking to ask you anything meaningful by asking the same, limited-helpfulness black and white question?

Who is like 95% conf!town why are you attacking him
VOTE: Marquis

[ac1983fan]

Chkflip, what do you think of ac and Who trying to get out of thinking to ask you anything meaningful by asking the same, limited-helpfulness black and white question?

Who is like 95% conf!town why are you attacking him
VOTE: Marquis

lol

Why is this funny?
The thing is that if you would have asked that question just about me I would have understood what you were saying becauseyou're correct that my question only would give us what is essentially a binary answer but you included Who in this for asking a similar question. But there is only one possible scenario where Who is scum which is very unlikely so why would you frame this as an attack on both of us rather than just an attack on myself? It looks to me like you are trying to stir the pot among townies while keeping yourself out of the fray, keeping your vote parked in the comfortable place and just trying to push things that don't make any sense.

[ac1983fan]

lol because i was asking chkflip not you or who

I didn't respond to your question though...Like obviously you were asking chkflip the question but it still stands that your question was a leading question that can be translated as an attack.

[ac1983fan]

WHY ARE WE POLICY LYNCHING

[ac1983fan]

sooo
can we stop policy lynching muttley and instead lynch someone who is
you know
actually scummy?

[ac1983fan]

How is mutley not scummy, ac?

Because this is just how I've seen muttley play like everywhere.

Oh and also there are TOO MANY CODES in this thread
Anyway I really think Marquis is scum but chkflip is a good second choice and a much better wagon than muttley so VOTE: chkflip

[ac1983fan]

How is mutley not scummy, ac?

Because this is just how I've seen muttley play like everywhere.

Oh and also there are TOO MANY CODES in this thread
Anyway I really think Marquis is scum but chkflip is a good second choice and a much better wagon than muttley so VOTE: chkflip

Ac, you played games with me, back in the day, right? You know how much I would abuse that thought? I even won by doing that once. Mutley needs to be lynched at some point.

I played in two games you co-modded (one of which I was modkilled in) but never played with you that I can remember.

I agree that Muttley dying would likely be helpful for the town. But I would prefer that somebody dream up a vig shot and shoot him with it rather than waste a lynch on him. Day 1 policy lynches are literally the worst idea imho because how can we gain information from the wagon?

[ac1983fan]

@ac: Dreams cant kill people.

No but dreams can give you something with which to kill someone.

[ac1983fan]

[*]

No dreams are allowed to kill another player

- only the Nightmares' factional kill can directly cause a death during the night.

I interpreted the usage of the word "directly" to mean that, while you can't dream someone to death, you can dream up an ability that will allow you to kill someone.

Mod, is the above a correct or incorrect interpretation of the rules?

[ac1983fan]

[*]

No dreams are allowed to kill another player

- only the Nightmares' factional kill can directly cause a death during the night.

I interpreted the usage of the word "directly" to mean that, while you can't dream someone to death, you can dream up an ability that will allow you to kill someone.

Mod, is the above a correct or incorrect interpretation of the rules?

EBWOP

[ac1983fan]

Also in any case, it says "directly cause a death during the night" which doesn't prohibit the possibilty of dreaming up some sort of dayvig ability.

[ac1983fan]

caledfwitch? why is there welsh stuff in this game???
((jokes/references))

[ac1983fan]

VOTE: Baldeagle1
yeah we need a wagon to lynch and I don't really have a townread on him

[ac1983fan]

I dreamed a dream in times gone by
When hope was high
And life worth living
I dreamed that I would never die.

It didn't make me BP like I was hoping though (I was told it wouldn't do what I was intending, I just went with it anyway since all my attempts at not being killed were rejected).

well it was all for naught anyway because i dreamt I was a secret service agent who did some bodyguarding on the side and chose to protect you.

[ac1983fan]

I see no problem with a Guyett lynch today.
VOTE: Guyett

Even more than that, why kill in the mason pair. As long as both of us are alive, you can set us up for a mislynch(claiming masons with a scum buddy is something I would do as scum), but killing one confirms the other. Who had been confirmed town by two separate sources--he, GIF and ac1980 cant all be scum, so he's practically confirmed(the only way he isn't is if ac to town and gif+who are scum, and set that up to be scum theatre...). Hmmm...the night kill just makes no sense...

Erm, I have no idea what you are referring to when you include me in this? I think you somehow got SafetyDance and myself confused. Which I have no idea how that happened.

[ac1983fan]

Wait so Natirasha you don't want to lynch Guyett?

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Marquis
Marquis hasn't really done anything to alleviate the scum read I had on him yesterday so yeah

[ac1983fan]

Wait so Natirasha you don't want to lynch Guyett?

And you do? Why?

No, I don't, but I thought one of the conf!town players did so and I had no objection. But evidently it was disingenuous and I didn't pick up on that.

[ac1983fan]

since when were you conf town?

Guyett, please read my post. Natirasha is conf!town.

[ac1983fan]

Haschel, I don't follow.
Like I voted because that's what I thought the confirmed town player wanted, and following a confirmed town player who is actually like really good at the game is usually a good strategy???
I'm not claiming that Natirasha made me do it. You asked me a question and I gave you an answer. which is the same reasoning i gave when I made the vote?

[ac1983fan]

Haschel's probably better than me, you know.

But he's not confirmed town, so I'm not sure what your point is?

[ac1983fan]

Morgan Freeman says that ac1983fan is not a Nightmare!

Have you explained the Morgan Freeman thing from yesterday yet?

In fact could you tell us about your dream for D1?

I've explained it several times.
My dream, verbatim was
I dream of waking up on a bright, sunny day here in Dreamville. But, the paranoia of others is rampant. Suddenly, people are accusing me of being a Nightmare. But, I have no fear, for I simply raise my hand to the sky, and Morgan Freeman's booming voice declares "ac1983fan is not a nightmare."

Hasch, but since when does bad play = scummy play?

[ac1983fan]

Oh. So then you're not conf town after all.

[ac1983fan]

Oh. So then you're not conf town after all.

WHY IS THIS NOT DEAD YET

Probably because there is 0 actual case on me?

[ac1983fan]

Oh. So then you're not conf town after all.

WHY IS THIS NOT DEAD YET

Probably because there is 0 actual case on me?

one does not need a case to lynch ppl.

But if there is 0 case on me then there is 0 reason to believe I am scum. Ergo why lynch someone who there is 0 reason to believe is scum?

[ac1983fan]

I'm not asking you to make a fucking 13-page dissertation on why I am scum. I'm simply saying that the reason I haven't been lynched is because nobody has provided any legitimate reasoning for why I might be scum.

[ac1983fan]

Mutley why would you waste your vote like that when there are two perfectly good wagons you could be voting for.
Also caledfwitch, SafetyDance, Who, why are you guys not voting? Actually, why are the latter two of you not contributing?

[ac1983fan]

Why are you saying you are a perfectly good wagon?

Because any wagon is a good wagon?

[ac1983fan]

Because it's hard to play a game effectively when 27% of your players aren't voting and 18% of your players are off-wagon without doing anything to push their preferred wagon meaning that only 45% of players are actually playing the game?
Obviously I understand that Who is not scum especially considering that I was the only person who pointed out nonsensibility of Marquis' earlier attack on him but that makes it even more needed for him to contribute, especially since the contributing conftown is not, in fact conftown.
Anyway I love how everybody on my wagon is tunneling me despite either having no declared reasons to think I am scum or are attacking me for things which are not even scumtells. So good work guys! Really fantastic work.

PEdit: Deflecting oh my fucking god what am I even deflecting? Like what deflecting attention off of me onto others? Please, the votes on me are fucking jokes why do you think I have ignored at least half of the attacks on me. All I am saying is that we have five people who are not playing the fucking game to the best interests of the town or even the game as a whole and so they should start doing that now because, duh. I actually don't think any of the players not voting are scum, which makes it even more necessary that they contribute. I don't really care if I get lynched because we have a huge lead and I'm a shit player so it'll make it more likely that I win.
And Nat I'm at L-3 and we have a metric fuck-ton of mislynches, what possible "hammer reasons" could you have for not voting me? I am mystified.

[ac1983fan]

K.

[ac1983fan]

displaced, you think both marquis and myself are scum, but I am currently voting for marquis.
Now, if I were scum, that would mean I would be bussing my scumpartner when I am about to get lynched, without said scumpartner pushing my wagon. That wouldn't be ideal scum play at this point.
That said I am town so of course once I flip you will probably push a marquis lynch tomorrow, which would probaby go through.

getting the slightest of scumvibes from displacdd' post.

[ac1983fan]

Also in any case, it says "directly cause a death during the night" which doesn't prohibit the possibilty of dreaming up some sort of dayvig ability.

acfan IM surprised you didnt try to get a dayvig tbh ... very surprised

INstead you try to get the mod to help camouflage you

Well first of all, the comment you are quoting comes AFTER Night 0...And since I don't own a Delorean, I have no means by which to change that dream.
And I don't have any particular reason to want a dayvig ability. I don't have any strong feelings about Guyett's presence in this game, so why would I want to shoot him? Moreover, I'm not a very good player and so I have no use for extra kills.

[ac1983fan]

You're assuming that just because it isn't banned means Zaicon will let you do it. Dayvig is probably unlikely to be allowed anyway.

Well yeah, but that has nothing to do with the point i was making...

[ac1983fan]

displaced, you think both marquis and myself are scum, but I am currently voting for marquis.
Now, if I were scum, that would mean I would be bussing my scumpartner when I am about to get lynched, without said scumpartner pushing my wagon. That wouldn't be ideal scum play at this point.
That said I am town so of course once I flip you will probably push a marquis lynch tomorrow, which would probaby go through.

getting the slightest of scumvibes from displacdd' post.

dislike this, not only the first paragraphn is just waffle but that second one sentence para, its like he is setting up a read progression ... he knows it's too early to be calling me scum just yet because lol scum tried to lynch this slot yesterday but he wants a timeline for his eventual transition to calling me scum

What I was pointing out is that you seemed to be setting up a sequence of lynches that perhaps would make you look town (if you were say scumbuddies with marquis) while getting a mislynch or just get a couple of mislynches in. Plus you just happen to think that both of the major wagons are likely to be scum?

[ac1983fan]

Plus you just happen to think that both of the major wagons are likely to be scum?

Appeal to probability moar

What? I'm just saying,your suspicions could be totally legitimate, but they also could be totally illegitimate.

[ac1983fan]

Herschel, Im saying I find it weird that ac's wasnt framed as an announcement like chk's were.

Liking Marquis' explanations they read genuine but I still think we should steer away from randomness and try to tailor dreams to standard powers.
GiF's worked perfectly for him right

That is because AC just had the ability to post a message through the mod. He wrote a message to trick us all into thinking he is town by having it 'modconfirmed' but as we found out via the mod here:

@Mod

Morgan Freeman says that ac1983fan is not a Nightmare!

Could this have happened if ac1983fan was a nightmare?

Yes.

He could still post that as a nightmare!!!

Do you have any idea how foolish this sounds?
Do you really think that I would attempt to make the mod lie, even though the rules post of this game explicitly says no dream may make the mod lie?
I mean god damn I know I am a shit player but come on I at least read the freaking rules. Christ.

[ac1983fan]

Because obviously exactly what happened would have happened...Like of course somebody would have asked if it could happen if I were a nightmare.
If I had dreamt up a message sharing ability with the mod, I would have used to to share something that would have potentially benefited my faction somehow. My dream was an innocent child dream gone wrong. And honestly if that is your entire case on me, that I did that to try to trick the town, that literally makes 0 sense and you should rethink your logic. Just saying.

[ac1983fan]

Guys, look, it's either me or Marquis, it's been that way for almost the entire day, so please pick one and vote if you're not voting for one of us already.
Like we've basically spent this entire day not progressing from this perspective because the only people who have been consistently posting have been advocating for one of those lynches.

[ac1983fan]

Soooo guess who forgot to submit dreams before the deadline? lol

[ac1983fan]

Anyway, I guess scum must be in caled/HC/Shane/displaced by POE, and I think I can eliminate HC from that list.
I've noticed caled has basically avoided giving any committed opinion on like anything the entire time she's been in the game, but has mostly slipped under the radar.
VOTE: caledfwitch

[ac1983fan]

Ac is the missing link if everyone is telling the truth.

Not sure I follow what you mean?

[ac1983fan]

Yeah actually I can buy lynching Shane. Post 982 looks like a ton of bullshit. Who did Shane replace? Muttley? Yeah okay.
VOTE: Shane

Still think caled is likely to be scum as well.

[ac1983fan]

UNVOTE:
VOTE: caledfwitch

[ac1983fan]

1) Shane wagon dissipated
2) Hadn't posted in several days and don't want the mod to search for a replacement for me when I'm gonna be lynched soon anyway
3) I felt more comfortable with a caled lynch anyway

[ac1983fan]

So you vote for Caled as its an easy/popular wagon?

No, I'm voting for caled because I believe caled is scum. As I said in my very first post of the day.

[ac1983fan]

I would care more, but the apathy of others, the idiocy of a few players in particular, my lack of creativity in being able to dream, and my increased business due to school make it difficult to care much.