Open 521: Jungle Republic (Alright. We'll call it a draw)

[KrazyEyeKilla7]

Hello people. Same as Yggdra, Fuzzy should get an avatar.

[KrazyEyeKilla7]

Seems legit to me. What's hard about url coding?

[KrazyEyeKilla7]

Here's my read so far:

The ONLY person who has given any town/scum leaning is fuzzy. Stating that a scum will give themselves away with an obvious action, then voting for Gnomeo "with that said...". I could say this is obvious scum but then again it is also just stating facts that everyone is aware of, followed by a random vote. So yeah, nothing major yet, though I am personally keeping an eye on Fuzzy...for now.

Anyone else wanna throw in their 2 cents?

[KrazyEyeKilla7]

That's cool. Maybe I'm crazy for slightly seeing a hole in

unless the mafia or werewolf player does something obvious to draw atention to themselves. Saying that

Vote Gnomeo

But that's just me. I never said fuzzy is obv scum. I said it could be seen as such.

As for an RVS, I don't normally cast a vote early on in any mafia game.

[KrazyEyeKilla7]

Sorry for the double post, but to Yggdra. Saying "I could say blah blah but then again.." Means that I see where someone could attack with this but I'm personally dismissing it because it's an RV.

[KrazyEyeKilla7]

Then my apologies for linking "scum read" with "obvious scum"

[KrazyEyeKilla7]

I think Boom was just fishing for a scum-reaction from me with what he said early on, however aggressive he may have been with it.

[KrazyEyeKilla7]

Neverisquoted. For the 20 millionth time, I said it could be misread as a "scum read". I didn't say you were scum. Lets drop that, I do not think you are scum, but I do agree on the whole "over-explaining" thing.

[KrazyEyeKilla7]

Edit: Never misquoted

[KrazyEyeKilla7]

Gnomeo has been very quiet. All we've gotten from him was an RV yesterday.

[KrazyEyeKilla7]

@Fuzzy

You're getting awfully defensive for someone with only 1 vote against him

[KrazyEyeKilla7]

You say Krazey, I say Krazy.

You can call it whatever you like, but I see defensive, especially in post 66.
Just like how I see "new to this site" as "played other games elsewhere, but throwing out justification for what I say"

You say you've dropped the whole "I'm new" act, yet there you are bringing it up again in an entire paragraph. If you were to actually drop it, you would. Any other comments about it could have been easily dismissed but you still find a need to explain yourself.

[KrazyEyeKilla7]

oh NOW it comes out that someone has taken the first post into consideration as a scum read haha

[KrazyEyeKilla7]

The vote is probably temporary. Also, not sure how those quotes got there.

by pushing the quote button? though it does give some reasoning to why you voted (if that's why)

[KrazyEyeKilla7]

Gnomeo has been very quiet. All we've gotten from him was an RV yesterday.

Unfortunately I have a life. I spent all day recovering from a hangover.

as do I, but either just make a bump post every so often or let everyone know you'll be afk. I don't think anyone expects full commitment hahaha

[KrazyEyeKilla7]

Fuzzy, unless you barely played on other sites, you aren't a newbie.

[KrazyEyeKilla7]

I think Boom was just fishing for a scum-reaction from me with what he said early on, however aggressive he may have been with it.

What do you think what kind of "scum reaction" he wanted to see?
-Luciana

Just a bad vibe, maybe me being ultra defensive.

[KrazyEyeKilla7]

I eagerly anticipate Klick's response. I think I might wet myself amidst all this excitement

[KrazyEyeKilla7]

Then the sea bear is gonna getcha

[KrazyEyeKilla7]

Wait...my mistake, you're safe

[KrazyEyeKilla7]

VOTE: Fuzzy

I don't like being ignored

Respond to him, Fuzzy...though I do like your points towards klick, even if one of them is against the rules

[KrazyEyeKilla7]

Waiting for the count. I'll post soonish

[KrazyEyeKilla7]

i guess I should give you some back ground. I played mafia on a non mafia site for two years or so. This was a site for posting your video game based movies, For example movies made from the sims game. I had some life issues and had to leave the site. By the time I got back the site it had been shut down for lack of interest. Its a sad bc there were some cool videos there as well as some cool people . I also played on a mafia site as well. It was not really set up to for mafia /werewolf so the games were kind of limited. I been gone from the game for twp or three years/ Not my choice.I ask you to respect my privacy on such matters.

On the video site there were a forum dedicated to Mafia games. This is part RPing as well. I don't remember the exact detail. I am not going to sit here and tell you I do. I do remember that in one maybe two games atleast there were scum getting alot of attentions and piling on the votes. It was obvious that they were going to get lynch. They gave very defensive and or non answers as well as contradicting themselves . They knew that they were caught so they self imploded and self voted. In both cases they were scum. As far as I can remember when a townie is about to be lynch they have always fought to the last vote to save themselves. I do not remember anytime that a townie committed suicide. From what i heard from players her it does and has .happen. I am going take y'all word on it. Still even without the self lynch I think that there strong indicators Klick is scummy.

BTW I never claimed I am a noob game wise only new to this site. I find the playing styles and rules a bit different from the other places I played. I should say site rules/. I also find the game style a bit different. Its like going to visit England from the US. There are alot of similarities but also things that different. Its getting adjusted to the customs and people of the new country. Hope that helped explain things

I am going to guess and say nobody cares about your mafia-based life story. This entire post is pointless in an attempt to justify any accusations pointed towards you, when in reality you are just rambling. Post something relevant please

[KrazyEyeKilla7]

I never asked for a story, I'm pretty sure I only said that if you've played mafia before then you aren't a noob.

[KrazyEyeKilla7]

I guess one could argue that Klick posted a few things ( non informative and not useful) early on and than disappeared.

He could be a scum hiding out but I think that it is still a little early in the game to really say. Personally I would like to wait a bit longer to see what happens. we still have a while till day one is over, I don't necessarily think we need to get a quick kill. I think we should hold off and try to get as much feed on each other as we can

. I do find it odd that Klick is getting votes without explanation. I am not sure if they are RV or not

Followed by...

Vote Klick

Heres why

1) He been smudging the truth. While he prob has been busy ( I read him admitting this in post in another game he is in) he still has manage to post several times in the Fire and Ice game. He has pretty much been MIA for this game
2)

when he does post he add nothing to the conversation. He just post enough not to get kicked out

. In the other game it seems like he giving atleast a pretty decent response to whats going on
3) He doesnt seem al that interested in whats going on in this game. While this could be just because its early in the game or he feels the game is slow to me it feels like he just hiding out. Being busy is good excuse since many people would not look to see if he has been active on the other forum.

He is giving all the signs of a scum who is hiding out waiting for the townies to lynch each

Krazey- For some reason I cant shake the feeling that scummy.

Spade- You seemed to trying hard to make a case against me with very little evidence and some really bad logic

Isn't that EXACTLY what you did for a majority of the start? Anywho, a vote based on inactivity and hypocrisy.

Oh, Sorry Guys I honest did not know what I did was illegal. There are a bunch of rules ( feels like a zillion) here at this site . I did read them all but there so hard to remember them all especially with the memory problem I have. If you want to kick me out of the game for breaking the rules thats fine. I wil understand/

Bc I based my evidence on something thats not allowed on this site. i will unvote Klick. It is the right thing to do. I hope you do not take this as evidence for or against me being scummy

Unvote klickj

As far as the question Gnomeo asked I did answer it. I have not ignored him. I said it was not relevant to the game in my opinion , I am sticking to that answer.

I will be AFK all day. Real life beacons,

Unvoting because a rule was broken, not because of a town-read

From the understanding of the rules all the evidence I stated is valid except the first point, Taking in that and the fact Klick has tried voting for himself I think it is reasonable to find him scummy.

Vote Klick

What is V/LA - is that vacation and leave of absence ?????

And now that you weren't mod-killed, you vote again

Sorry Om but Im not pushing a vote based on his suicide vote( This action was just the icing on the cake.) Remember I voted for him but retracted bc I accidentally broke a rule. I felt at the time and still do that retracting my vote till I got a response from the mod was the right thing to do. I did not want to base my votes on anything i was not suppose to. After i got an okay from the mod I reevaluated the evidence that was okay to use and made a decision to stick with the decisions to vote for Klick. His vote only reinforced my decision that I already made. I would of voted for him whether he voted for himself or not.

Not my last post was a response to a question Trumpet asked. I thought trumpet was asking about a time I saw a goon or werewolf suicide. I might of misunderstood his question.Anyways I gave an example of a time when this happened. I did humbly admit and still do that townies do suicide to. I never experience this happening but based on experiences at this site it has happened. I hope that I will get the same courtesy.

@Krazey- LOL- You and Gnomeo kept pushing about my experience so I answered it. Its not rambling

Klick's reaction has given me a bit more of a townie vibe off of him. Because my vote was intended mostly for pressure for him to wake up (I did understand Fuzzy's points, which did contribute, as well as my own point, but the vote was more to apply pressure), I'm going to UNVOTE: Klick.

Fuzzy is my next top suspect, for reasons I've already stated, and the fact he thought self voting was scummy. However this could mean he's a noob on the other site he's on as well, but it may not be. I'm willing to support a Fuzzy case right now. Fuzzy, if it's such a problem to describe your experience on another site, that's scummy as well, because it seems like you don't want to be caught in your scummy act. Quit trying to pull the noob card and attempt to defend yourself.
VOTE: TheFuzzylogic99

Review edit: You've basically just said you've had a bit of experience. Yeah, you're pinging me more with that. Have fun pretending to be noob.

wait...

After i got an okay from the mod I reevaluated the evidence that was okay to use and made a decision to stick with the decisions to vote for Klick. His vote only reinforced my decision that I already made. I would of voted for him whether he voted for himself or not.

so you admitted to retracting a vote and then revoting for no solid reasoning other than the option of a modkill

What can i say....I was asked a question and I answered it. You pushed for me to answer Gnomeo question and I did. Theres nothing more to it. Its is a bit annoying that I was asked a question and when I finally answered it I get attacked for doing so. Hey if you attack me for answering a question have fun.

Hers the facts

Kick has been posting in other games but not here.

He has been posting relevant info in other games an only came here to make non relevant post and RV

He seems very disinterested in the game and any scum hunting. ( Note if he is scum there is no real need to scum hunt. He can just wait for us townie to lunch each other)

all these activities points to a scum hiding out

I think it is not unreasonable for Klick to convince us why we should find his action scummy

Klick hasn't said anything scummy that I can see. The only basis of these votes is inactivity.

Hmm.. did not mean to skim the rules. Really hoping I dont get Mod killed.

I think I played 1 multi scum game but I mange to get myself killed early so I dont have much experience with those. I would assume that hiding out would be still a relevant strategy however you might be right. I think I wll rethink this notion. I have played mainly 1 scum team and townies.

I havent seen him post anything all that relevant, so for now I will disagree with you that pointI did not find the reaction test all that useful and it came off to me as a RV..As far as the ferret wagon I do not see the rationale of that. I have not seen any evidence for ferret being Scum . Honestly I am reading him as a townie/.

For now

unvote Klick

And again, because there's a potential mod-kill, you back off

No questions asked,
VOTE: Fuzzy

You are so back-and-forth on this, it's making me dizzy. You strike me as the scum who's trying to draw attention away from yourself, so you picked Klick. And yes, he could be scum for being inactive on this thread. But there's no concrete evidence to back it up other than "I say he's scum so yeah..."

You

, on the other hand, have been trying to lynch Klick based on inactivity, only to retract your vote when there is a threat of your removal.

Plus, since this is multi-scum setup. Who's to say both of you are not scum?

[KrazyEyeKilla7]

Is that a role-claim?

[KrazyEyeKilla7]

I know the jist of it is (i think) Fuzzy is L-1

[KrazyEyeKilla7]

Spade......thats still not necessarily mean the person who said it is scummy is summy. It might but it also could mean the person is just mistaken. So once again I ask who believing if a person self votes means the accuser is scummy

We're dealing with two scum parties...just because Klick

might

be scum doesn't mean you're automatically pro-town.

[KrazyEyeKilla7]

It's not you saying he's scum. It's your bobblehead behavior about trying to lynch him

[KrazyEyeKilla7]

Well I can't speak for any other player here.

Also
@mod, vote count?

[KrazyEyeKilla7]

thats sound like a somewhat reasonable answers......Thank. It still does not make total sense since bald eagle and om only mention the fact they thought I scum bc I voted bc of Klicks self vote . Honestly thats all i wanted a reasonable answers

That can be read as "I actually voted for klick because of self vote"
Or
"They think I'm scum because they think I voted for klick because of self vote"

Honestly, the former seems a lot more likely.

[KrazyEyeKilla7]

I will when he makes logical sense and doesn't have to backtrack on everything he says. he's flailing big time

[KrazyEyeKilla7]

I'm not taking advantage of any noob behavior or lack of grammar. I do not like his constant push/pull attitude at klick. If you were sure someone is scum, you wouldn't take your vote off for a potential modkill...unless your death would thin out your team's already small numbers.

As for ^
I have ADD as well but you don't see me scrambling to make sense in every post I write

[KrazyEyeKilla7]

Add on: Fuzzy isn't a noob so I'm sure he is familiar with the game

[KrazyEyeKilla7]

I'm not pushing...I'm explaining.

I guess one could argue that Klick posted a few things ( non informative and not useful) early on and than disappeared.

He could be a scum hiding out but I think that it is still a little early in the game to really say. Personally I would like to wait a bit longer to see what happens. we still have a while till day one is over, I don't necessarily think we need to get a quick kill. I think we should hold off and try to get as much feed on each other as we can

. I do find it odd that Klick is getting votes without explanation. I am not sure if they are RV or not

Followed by...

Vote Klick

Heres why

1) He been smudging the truth. While he prob has been busy ( I read him admitting this in post in another game he is in) he still has manage to post several times in the Fire and Ice game. He has pretty much been MIA for this game
2)

when he does post he add nothing to the conversation. He just post enough not to get kicked out

. In the other game it seems like he giving atleast a pretty decent response to whats going on
3) He doesnt seem al that interested in whats going on in this game. While this could be just because its early in the game or he feels the game is slow to me it feels like he just hiding out. Being busy is good excuse since many people would not look to see if he has been active on the other forum.

He is giving all the signs of a scum who is hiding out waiting for the townies to lynch each

Krazey- For some reason I cant shake the feeling that scummy.

Spade- You seemed to trying hard to make a case against me with very little evidence and some really bad logic

Isn't that EXACTLY what you did for a majority of the start? Anywho, a vote based on inactivity and hypocrisy.

Oh, Sorry Guys I honest did not know what I did was illegal. There are a bunch of rules ( feels like a zillion) here at this site . I did read them all but there so hard to remember them all especially with the memory problem I have. If you want to kick me out of the game for breaking the rules thats fine. I wil understand/

Bc I based my evidence on something thats not allowed on this site. i will unvote Klick. It is the right thing to do. I hope you do not take this as evidence for or against me being scummy

Unvote klickj

As far as the question Gnomeo asked I did answer it. I have not ignored him. I said it was not relevant to the game in my opinion , I am sticking to that answer.

I will be AFK all day. Real life beacons,

Unvoting because a rule was broken, not because of a town-read

From the understanding of the rules all the evidence I stated is valid except the first point, Taking in that and the fact Klick has tried voting for himself I think it is reasonable to find him scummy.

Vote Klick

What is V/LA - is that vacation and leave of absence ?????

And now that you weren't mod-killed, you vote again

Sorry Om but Im not pushing a vote based on his suicide vote( This action was just the icing on the cake.) Remember I voted for him but retracted bc I accidentally broke a rule. I felt at the time and still do that retracting my vote till I got a response from the mod was the right thing to do. I did not want to base my votes on anything i was not suppose to. After i got an okay from the mod I reevaluated the evidence that was okay to use and made a decision to stick with the decisions to vote for Klick. His vote only reinforced my decision that I already made. I would of voted for him whether he voted for himself or not.

Not my last post was a response to a question Trumpet asked. I thought trumpet was asking about a time I saw a goon or werewolf suicide. I might of misunderstood his question.Anyways I gave an example of a time when this happened. I did humbly admit and still do that townies do suicide to. I never experience this happening but based on experiences at this site it has happened. I hope that I will get the same courtesy.

@Krazey- LOL- You and Gnomeo kept pushing about my experience so I answered it. Its not rambling

Klick's reaction has given me a bit more of a townie vibe off of him. Because my vote was intended mostly for pressure for him to wake up (I did understand Fuzzy's points, which did contribute, as well as my own point, but the vote was more to apply pressure), I'm going to UNVOTE: Klick.

Fuzzy is my next top suspect, for reasons I've already stated, and the fact he thought self voting was scummy. However this could mean he's a noob on the other site he's on as well, but it may not be. I'm willing to support a Fuzzy case right now. Fuzzy, if it's such a problem to describe your experience on another site, that's scummy as well, because it seems like you don't want to be caught in your scummy act. Quit trying to pull the noob card and attempt to defend yourself.
VOTE: TheFuzzylogic99

Review edit: You've basically just said you've had a bit of experience. Yeah, you're pinging me more with that. Have fun pretending to be noob.

wait...

After i got an okay from the mod I reevaluated the evidence that was okay to use and made a decision to stick with the decisions to vote for Klick. His vote only reinforced my decision that I already made. I would of voted for him whether he voted for himself or not.

so you admitted to retracting a vote and then revoting for no solid reasoning other than the option of a modkill

What can i say....I was asked a question and I answered it. You pushed for me to answer Gnomeo question and I did. Theres nothing more to it. Its is a bit annoying that I was asked a question and when I finally answered it I get attacked for doing so. Hey if you attack me for answering a question have fun.

Hers the facts

Kick has been posting in other games but not here.

He has been posting relevant info in other games an only came here to make non relevant post and RV

He seems very disinterested in the game and any scum hunting. ( Note if he is scum there is no real need to scum hunt. He can just wait for us townie to lunch each other)

all these activities points to a scum hiding out

I think it is not unreasonable for Klick to convince us why we should find his action scummy

Klick hasn't said anything scummy that I can see. The only basis of these votes is inactivity.

Hmm.. did not mean to skim the rules. Really hoping I dont get Mod killed.

I think I played 1 multi scum game but I mange to get myself killed early so I dont have much experience with those. I would assume that hiding out would be still a relevant strategy however you might be right. I think I wll rethink this notion. I have played mainly 1 scum team and townies.

I havent seen him post anything all that relevant, so for now I will disagree with you that pointI did not find the reaction test all that useful and it came off to me as a RV..As far as the ferret wagon I do not see the rationale of that. I have not seen any evidence for ferret being Scum . Honestly I am reading him as a townie/.

For now

unvote Klick

And again, because there's a potential mod-kill, you back off

No questions asked,
VOTE: Fuzzy

You are so back-and-forth on this, it's making me dizzy. You strike me as the scum who's trying to draw attention away from yourself, so you picked Klick. And yes, he could be scum for being inactive on this thread. But there's no concrete evidence to back it up other than "I say he's scum so yeah..."

You

, on the other hand, have been trying to lynch Klick based on inactivity, only to retract your vote when there is a threat of your removal.

Plus, since this is multi-scum setup. Who's to say both of you are not scum?

And my theory, not statement, is that by apologizing for breaking a rule and removing your vote could very well be a try at saving yourself to keep your numbers alive.

@Fuzzy, I'm not pushing on the fact that you are new to this site (was that Ferret?) nor am I basing my vote on your grammar/English. I am, to say it again, skeptical about your behavior in regards to klick. Also wondering why Nom is guarding you so heavily.

[KrazyEyeKilla7]

So to summarize my scum-radar with Fuzzy

States that we should wait to start accusing klick, then does it not even 24 hours later.
A vote based on an inactivity theory, while sometimes true, isn't always accurate. Seems to be more opportunistic than a scum-read.
Hypocritical by saying that klick wasn't posting anything relevant to the game, just providing filler. So an invalid reason to push a lynch on klick.
Removes vote out of rule-breaking and possibility of a mod kill (thus my "keeping your numbers" thing)
Votes again because klick voted for himself. Maybe trying to speed up the bandwagon?
Contradicts himself in the next quoted post by saying that's exactly what he wasn't doing, when he clearly said he was earlier.
Then, after having contradicted himself, states that he was doing this because of the rules and worry of being modkilled.
Unvotes again after breaking the rules...AGAIN.

My scum-read comes from this back and forth behavior and every post needing to be cleared up / re-worded. Not just from me though. It seems like everything said by Fuzzy trips SOMEONE'S alarms.

And I don't think I ever said "only scum" as far as saving themselves goes. So where did you get that assumption? It's just a better reason to avoid a modkill. And Fuzzy had messed up on the rules twice on accident. I'm not saying he HAS to be scum, but the back and forth makes it more logical, especially since this entire thing has been based off of an inactivity vote. Don't you think that Fuzzy would have dropped the Klick thing before people started questioning him if it wasn't so important?

All in all, klick seemed like an easy target considering the inactivity, and I feel that Fuzzy wanted to take that easy kill.

[KrazyEyeKilla7]

Re read the post in question, I see where the assumption came from. My apologies for that. But I still stand by what i said

[KrazyEyeKilla7]

My scum-read comes from this back and forth behavior and every post needing to be cleared up / re-worded. Not just from me though. It seems like everything said by Fuzzy trips SOMEONE'S alarms.

This is what I'm talking about though. Because he keeps having to explain himself it means he didn't explain it well enough the first time. Inconsistencies do not a scum make. What do you think Fuzzy gains as scum from changing his answer each time he's questioned?

A diversion, to simply put it. Look, I don't know for certain of Fuzzy's alignment, so don't accuse me of that. I'm actually trying to pull info from Fuzzy, not you haha. Even though I know you're doing the same to me.

[KrazyEyeKilla7]

Wouldnt I get mod killed even if didnt I change my vote if the mod deemed it the right thing to do. I never heard of a mod making a decison based on voting activities. Every where I played you got zapped if you broke the rules bad enough. Maybe I being dense but I am not sure why I would change my vote in fear of a mod kill. Am I missing something here.

If mods don't make decisions based on voting activity, then what was your point of retracting your vote (and then making the same rule-break)?

[KrazyEyeKilla7]

again why would mods make decisons based on voting records. This makes no sense at all. Following that logic. If I did not change my votes due to a mod kill than

there had to be another reason..the logical conclosion based on evidence is that I did it bc I felt I could not use the evidence I presented.

I see...so we're contradicting now?

Oh, Sorry Guys I honest

did not know what I did was illegal

. There are a bunch of rules ( feels like a zillion) here at this site . I did read them all but there so hard to remember them all especially with the memory problem I have. If you want to kick me out of the game for breaking the rules thats fine. I wil understand/

Bc I

based my evidence on something thats not allowed

on this site. i will unvote Klick. It is the right thing to do. I hope you do not take this as evidence for or against me being scummy

Unvote klickj

yeeeah...that's actually NOT a logical conclusion based on solid evidence (Klick's activity outside this thread). That's backing out because you broke a rule and didn't want to be modkilled.

I'm not really pushing anymore. in a bittersweet way, you're lack of logic and constant contradiction has given me no scum-read as of late...just a LOT of confusion

UNVOTE: Fuzzy

[KrazyEyeKilla7]

VOTE: TrumpetKing

Would you care to elaborate on this vote??

[KrazyEyeKilla7]

Actually, My vote could from Trumpet, to Krazey, to baldeagle, to ace to ferret. You guys have all been easy wagon jumpers.

I can't really say I jumped on the wagon since I've only voted once and I was hunting hard during it.
Rather than just vote for Fuzzy and leave it at that like many have done.

[KrazyEyeKilla7]

Actually this makes more sense

VOTE: ferretlover

For reasons stated in Yggdra's 230

Never noticed that too much. Did we ever get an explanation from Ferret?

[KrazyEyeKilla7]

Ugh......just reliized that when I delteted some sentences that I did not delete one all the way so it end up sounding like I cant speak English. If I didnt need my brain I swear I would poke it with a pointed qtip.

Realized*
Deleted*

Just lookin out for your best interests, which at the moment seems to be English, and not the game

[KrazyEyeKilla7]

I'm going back and forth on fuzzy. I just can't get a accurate read on him. I think it's best that we leave him be. Oh, elle, that was a pressure vote the whole time. That's why it was a "temporary" vote to see how fuzzy would respond to it. I can't say it was a pressure vote, then it would ruin the whole point of it.

I'm still waiting for Klick's case on ferret, although elle has an okay case. I don't think ferret was trying to say "Don't claim" at L-1, I think he was just trying to help a new person out so they don't end up claiming when they shouldn't have.

Isn't L-1 exactly when you SHOULD be claiming?

[KrazyEyeKilla7]

Ah

[KrazyEyeKilla7]

@mod
Please redo vote count, I unvoted a while ago

[KrazyEyeKilla7]

Thank you!

Absolutely no trouble.

[KrazyEyeKilla7]

In regards to my avatar change, I've been using that Super Derp for a long time and I wanted to pay homage to my PSN tag, Merciful Poseidon.

So yeah, now I have Poseidon as my avatar.

Ferret info coming later, at a convention for the weekend.

[KrazyEyeKilla7]

I am almost 100 % certain OM and Union are townies. I would be very surprised if either one of them turn up scum. Despite my read earlier I am starting to think Klick is a townie.

Here is what I got...

Townie

1) Fuzzy ( ie me)
2) Om -
3) Union- everything about him shouts townie

Klick- could of hammered me and didn't. He might of taken some heat for putting the final blow on a townie . Still he could of easily of played Fuzzy was acting too weird not to vote card and prob gotten away clean.. Except for his lack of activity here there not too much of anything that might be read as scummy. I am not 100 percent on him but I am starting to read strongly Townie.

Assuming my read is correct than we have 9 players who could scum than we have a more than 1 in 2 chance of lynching scum.

Woah you think you're town? That was unexpected -.-

[KrazyEyeKilla7]

Well then...

[KrazyEyeKilla7]

@Mod v/la for a few days.

Transitioning between jobs and got some things to deal with in the homestead. Be back by Sunday at the latest

[KrazyEyeKilla7]

^

Took a look at Ace, like I promised.

Spoiler: Ace ISO

All of the early posts where basically attacking Fuzzy. Going for the easy newbie lynch.

i personally self voted at least once as town on a previous account.
JS

@ferret. you're guess is as good as mine. Your vibe certainly is a tiny bit scummy imo. nothing you've said just more attitude. but it's seriously not even worth a FoS to me at this point. let alone a vote. cause you could just me a Reggie Miller guy like me.

Ok, take note where he says that ferret is a bit scummy.

fuzzy. you not only played the noob card, you lied and contradicted yourself claiming you didn't. and then lied claiming you didn't contradict yourself.
scumy

I did this when I was a noob. This is what noobs do, they post without much thought.

i don't think there is much to say.....

I think fuzzy should claim. as nobody else seems remotely scummy, and we need to move on

Rolefish much?

totally not expecting that NK, will post more when I've had time to think

I don't know about you guys, but I played on a different site and when talking about the logic behind night kills is usually a scum slip and here's why:
Scum feels the need to justify their action to others since they spent their time thinking about it. So, he says that he needs to think then he posts his logic:

Why would they do that? werewolves win even if the mafia survive. In fact it's too the werewolves advantage to have someone else taking heat, distracting from them. The werewolves have no incentive to kill off the mafia

Boom's my biggest candidate. Lurking, but appearing just in time for a hammer, is suspicious to me. Perhaps more so because i didn't think ferret was scum, but still it seems like it was unnecessary. I mean ferret didn't even get time to claim. which is always a problem for me

Just because someone hammerred on someone that you didn't think was scum for you doesn't mean that the person that hammerred is scummy. Also, it's Saki always quickhammers.

So, I think he's scum.

VOTE: aceofspades

Eagle might have made less sense than Fuzzy. Actually, I can't say that truthfully. I'd say more along the lines of Eagle making very VERY weak points, paired with obvious facts and metas.


Yes, he clearly stated that Ferret was kind of scummy, as anyone would say should they think that someone is scummy.

If we can all take a look back, and correct me if I'm wrong, but Fuzzy DID say that he was only new to the site. Reading again, I don't think he ever tried the newbie card, people just slapped it on him due to poor logic and grammar.

.....Rolefishing. Really? THAT'S rolefishing? Saying someone should claim when they're on the chopping block?

The 4th post I can get behind because I've seen it happen a lot.

Disregarding the meta of Saki, quickhammers

usually

do mean scummy. Especially when given no reason or justification afterwards (or during)


That whole post was a mix of bad reasoning and somewhat obvious genera-metas. I'm not convinced

[KrazyEyeKilla7]

That...makes sense that he would have a problem if he never jumped on it to begin with.

[KrazyEyeKilla7]

VOTE: baldeagle

You cant make a case about someone being scum because he targetted on a newbie when YOU did this as well

DP

You mean my vote early game? Yeah, that was a pressure vote. If you had read the game....

Can I get a post # ? On my phone, its a process to look it up.

@Boom
@Eagle

[KrazyEyeKilla7]

Thanks! Give me a little while. Got a show today with my band

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So I'm back in action, and correct me if I'm wrong but the two cases here seem to be against Eagle and Gnomeo? Just getting a synopsis.

After what I've seen, Eagle is being sketchy and illogical with several points. In my eyes, similar to Fuzzy's stuff. I know it's a difference now that we're in D2 but at the same time, this could be another misread because of poor logic. Not too sure what to think of that right now. More scum read than town, but I'm leaving some open room for variables.

Gnomeo read to come.

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Okay, elle, you're one of my strongest townreads in this game. Work with me here.
Why did your gut ping on Gnomeo? Do you still think BOOM is scum? Can I have your two strongest scumreads and townreads please?

Krazy, you're another of my strongest scumreads.
Do you actually think that BOOM should be pushed for the quickhammer? As far as you've said, you think that it's a scummy thing regardless of Saki's meta but you haven't made a point to push it either. Can I also have your two strongest scumreads and townreads?

Sorry for the low activity lately but I've been quite emotionally unstable and as a result I've not been posting much. Consider this my attempt to get back in the game.

Kind of drunk right now, dealing with a TON of emotional shit. But uhmm I don't recall pushing against Boom. You might be thinking of Eagle? I forgot who it is, but I was making a reply to someone commenting on Saki's meta.

I believe what I said (and forgive me, I'm drunk) was that the argument of Saki's meta was a 50/50 since yes, it is scummy to quickhammer. But there is also the fact that Saki's meta calls for QH's. So I think you're looking at the wrong guy

I need to read more to get 2 reads, but my #1 scumread is Eagle. I'm sorry to procrastinate. I really am going through a lot right now. I might end up replacing, but I'll do what I can. Give me a bit to read into everything. Though I am gonna really look into this Ace/Gnomeo issue.

TownReads
Yggdra
Elle

Those are just the two who haven't set any flares off in my eyes.

[KrazyEyeKilla7]

Couldn't anyone use their meta as advantage? It's possible

[KrazyEyeKilla7]

basicly she thinks you're scum because fuzzy was NK'd and he was after Klick. You replaced Klick, therefore you're scum.

While not a strong case, this is a case. I'm not here or there since we had almost no activity from Klick on D1. So it's not safe to say that because of Fuzzy's Klick-fishing, that TIP would retaliate in such a way. Especially when Fuzzy was all about the inactivity, and clearly TIP is active.

Okay, elle is 99% town so nobody should attack her or else.

Or else what? You're partnering up with Elle hardcore right now and I don't like that at all

But on the other side of the spectrum...

Om, why are you WKing so much?

VOTE: Om of the Nom

Elle, I can't explain the meta thing now, but, he's giving me a town vibe too. I meta checked to confirm.

So I can understand a teensy bit, what's WK'ing.
Putting that aside, Eagle...you are all over the field. Give some more reasoning as to why you're voting against Om, AND I'd like to see an explanation on your "meta thing". Just because someone has a pro-town meta, doesn't mean they're aligned as such.

[KrazyEyeKilla7]

Edit:
The first section depends on when TIP replaced Klick. I can't remember if it was D1 or D2. If D2, I retract my statement.

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Or else...I will be annoyed
I'm not "partnering up" with anyone, I'm just trying to work with my townreads and get some cohesion in this group.

Also WKing is white knighting.

Not sure i can get behind those answers, but you're not appearing to be scum.
And gracias for the info. Though I'm seasoned with the game, I'm a newbie with the jargon

[KrazyEyeKilla7]

Sorry guys, been busy with other games.

Elle, your vote on TiP is bad, he's playing like town. I meta checked him.

Also, elle, why is BOOM null/scum for you?

This is bullshit, this isn't my town meta
VOTE: baldeagle

WOAH

hold the phone..so we should be looking at you like you're scum? Would that be an accurate statement?

[KrazyEyeKilla7]

I'm saying it isn't my town meta

So let me get this straight

-Be IrishPope
-Play a game of mafia
-Player false reads my meta
-lolwtfbbq this isn't even my town meta
-AggroVote

That makes PERFECT sense

You can't argue against a lack of logic with a lack of logic. Or am I missing something really big, here?

[KrazyEyeKilla7]

@TIP

Still an aggroVote in my eyes

[KrazyEyeKilla7]

I was like "what the hell you guys are talking about"

And then I counted a player list

And apparently we have 12 ppl total here, not 13 -.-

Don't see how that changes anything

[KrazyEyeKilla7]

I don't like this..

Please tell me how 12 people instead of 13 makes a difference for your slip-up. Like I asked several posts ago. Because right now, Eagle is actually making a bit of sense. And all you can say in response is the EXACT same thing, that you thought there were 13 left..not 12.

And apparently we have 12 ppl total here, not 13 -.-

Except for that I assumed 13, not 12.

Sister, we apparently have 12 players, not 13.

All said by Luciana

How does that information void out your previous post about process of elimination?

[KrazyEyeKilla7]

Ack sister.

learn2count.

@Krazy: It means that she added 1 more player. Ergo, thinking that there are 13 players, minus 2 players, it would be eleven. 5:5 excluding us.

TBH I thought that sister just didn't count herself in.

Now I know why.`

Also... HORESHIT WE'RE 12 PLAYERS?!
Y WE NO NOLYNCH D1?! I hate even number players.
UUUUHHHHHGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGG I hate this.

-Aegina


-Aegina

In what universe did we not lynch on D1? Boom placed a hammer vote

[KrazyEyeKilla7]

My bad. Thought it was an accidental double-neg.

I'm still not too sure on your case now

[KrazyEyeKilla7]

Waiting for the count. I'm really back and forth with this Eagle / Yggdra battle. Eagle is scummier ATM and my previous suspicions were just reinforced with this whole topic against Eagle's flip flopping.

[KrazyEyeKilla7]

Side topic.
I just realized where your name came from, Yggdra

[KrazyEyeKilla7]

Aegina, "scum" means both wolf and mafia, not just mafia.

-L

Not to me it doesn't

-Aegina

VOTE: Yggdra

[KrazyEyeKilla7]

Biggest scum slip I've ever seen IMO.

Essentially meant this
"I'm scum, but there's another scum team so when I say 'scum' I mean the only remaining scum team"

[KrazyEyeKilla7]

It doesn't. But this seems like an obv-scumslip. I'm not sayin that eagle is clean, but I need to read up some more. Been doing RL shit

[KrazyEyeKilla7]

If its not a "slip" then what would it be

[KrazyEyeKilla7]

Who's to say it was fake? What proof do you have?

[KrazyEyeKilla7]

If its not a "slip" then what would it be

Why do you think...

I'm separating Wolves from Mafia?

Then which is "scum" if they're so separated?

If you say "scum is wolf" then you draw attention to yourself as mafia. And vice verse.

I don't think you're town...I'll read your psycho wall of text but you don't have me convinced

[KrazyEyeKilla7]

Am I the only one seeing how Yggdra seems to have changed their posting style since the supposed "scumslips"?
They seemed to be more secretive before, but now they feel more... open?

I'm not sure if I like this, because I feel that's what I'd do too if I were scum.

You are not the only one. Yggdra is becoming overly defensive.

[KrazyEyeKilla7]

UNVOTE:

[KrazyEyeKilla7]

Until I get more time to read your essays of posts...people are seeing something i haven't yet.

[KrazyEyeKilla7]

You know the # for easy ISO find?

[KrazyEyeKilla7]

My question is how am I scum?

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Tip, why was I lying about your town meta and YU wasn't?

Yeah, Om is scum.

Alduskell, I was suspicious of ace all day. That vote didn't come from out of nowhere.

Should I claim now?

Making an OMGUS accusation at L-1?

[KrazyEyeKilla7]

Still want to hear more from: Boom, Trumpet King, elle, Krazy, TIP, Om.

Hear more of?

Get our opinions on reads of people and such, even though the last 3-4 pages have been 90% Yggdra

[KrazyEyeKilla7]

Eagle, I know this goes without saying but it's so easy to claim VT when that's really the only non scum role. If you false-claim seer then you'll get called out and lynched.

Why should I believe that you're really pro-town? Give me some solid reasoning please

[KrazyEyeKilla7]

Ace, who is on your top list of scum reads?

[KrazyEyeKilla7]

And why

[KrazyEyeKilla7]

So how is union out of the scum mix so easily when there's 2 scum parties?

[KrazyEyeKilla7]

Well get to the proof because I don't think you have had anything against Union...

[KrazyEyeKilla7]

I have no idea how you are so convinced that I'm scum and Union is town, but I don't like it.

Also, you haven't pushed anything on her at all in this whole game, if I'm correct.

[KrazyEyeKilla7]

Alright so through a bad PoE (let's assume that boom and om are the opposite scum party) you have two choices on who is scum (2 wolves and 2 mafia total). Do you have ANY justification for voting me?

Union, when did you do that? Was that during your crazy amount of posts?

[KrazyEyeKilla7]

Didn't see we had an entire new page.

One (or two) of you voting for me is scum hopping on the wagon. I promise you that much. And if Ace is seer and Union is for sure town, then
VOTE: Elle

Not an OMGUS vote. My money says Elle is easy-wagoning.

[KrazyEyeKilla7]

You didnt seem to have any problem when I was so convinced that bald was scum and tippu was town.
-Luciana

^this

[KrazyEyeKilla7]

Wonderful sarcasm, my accusation stands

[KrazyEyeKilla7]

^ What she said

[KrazyEyeKilla7]

Eh...I'm dead sooner or later anyways...

Final Reads

Spoiler:

WOLF

POTENTIAL WOLF

SEER

NO READ

--------------------------

Om

Elle

Ace

Ald

Aero

Boom

Union

Can't really be positive that Ace is seer but I'm listing him as safe game. Can't say the same for anyone else.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Krazy

HAVE FUN WITH THE WOLVES

[KrazyEyeKilla7]

Yup Yup, and with the Hyrule game coming up, I'll probably be focusing on that one more anyways. Fun round though! Thanks

[KrazyEyeKilla7]

I'd say no given how many are signing up but it's worth a shot. http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=31387

[KrazyEyeKilla7]

Sadly, I'm not the scum you should really be worried about but yeah. Happy hunting

Ald, it ain't useless when I'm 95% sure of my wolf accusations. And obviously I can't give away the final mafia member soooo tough titties if you don't like it

[KrazyEyeKilla7]

With PoE (in this universe where Ace is seer), take away me, Ace, and YU (biggest townread)

So we're left with
Ald
Boom
Aero
Om
Elle

PoE now dictates that 3 are scum. I obviously have one teammate alive so I'm now looking for 2 people.
I'm positive at least one of the wolves was on my wagon. So that means either Ald, YU, Elle, or Ace. And since Union and Ace are clean, that leaves Ald and Elle. Hope that helps a bit

[KrazyEyeKilla7]

They never sparked my radar, doesn't mean they're clean...I just don't have much on them or didn't have the patience to ISO them.

Point of this, I gave you my top wolf reads. Don't try to milk the identity of my teammate from me.

Omerta and all that mafia jazz, ya know?

You have your seer's info (for at least today) and my personal PoE. That's all