Open 521: Jungle Republic (Alright. We'll call it a draw)

[TrumpetKing]

VOTE: Yggdra Union

For having a strange first name.

[TrumpetKing]

I think Fuzzy also comes off as newbie, but I can't help but get a little bit of a scummy vibe off of him. It's interesting to note how he states we should just guess on a day one lynch. Why? That somewhat implies voting aimlessly, which will definitely not catch us any scum, whereas if we take time to look at evryone, we can actually lynch a scum. The chances are usually small in my experience, but we could still catch one nonetheless.

[TrumpetKing]

Uhm, I'm fairly sure I voted...
That being said it was just a beginning of the day vote.
UNVOTE: Yggdra Union

While Fuzzy is new to the forum, the fact that he says he's played a few games on other sites makes me think that we certainly shouldn't leave it as newbtown post, but maybe we should save it and see if we eventually find something else that points him to being scummy. Krazy has a case that I cab somewhat understand, but seeing as we have 16 IRL says I don't think we should rush anything yet.

Something else that sticks out to me is theaceofspade's post. Are you saying that you can't vote for somebody that has read two people the same way you have? Can you please clarify that?

[TrumpetKing]

I feel bad voting for someone with two of my scummier reads. so

UNVOTE:

Aceofspades, please clarify this. It reads to me like you're saying that you're inviting someone who you read as scum, and I'm probably the only person that reads it that wau, so would you please explain it to mez as I have a hard time making sense of it?

[TrumpetKing]

*me

[TrumpetKing]

I feel bad voting for someone with two of my scummier reads. so

UNVOTE:

Aceofspades, please clarify this. It reads to me like you're saying that you're inviting someone who you read as scum, and I'm probably the only person that reads it that wau, so would you please explain it to mez as I have a hard time making sense of it?

i don't really understand what you mean.... inviting them to what?

oh well. all I was saying was that 1)i'm voting for someone, i have a scumread on them. 2)two people are voting with me, i have a scumread on them.

so there are a couple possibilities, but one is that the person I'm voting is town and my other two reads are correct, Well why should I help scum? see what i'm saying? i don't want to help do something if the ONLY people trying to do it are my scumreads. UNLESS i feel very strongly about it, which at this point I don't, it's too early for that.

My apologies, I meant unvote, autocorrect got me. It seems to me like the way you're explaining this means you'e unvoting somebody who you think is scum... And that's a very odd unvote. Now, I'm really starting to dislike Fuzzy' behavior. Fuzzy, you're a noob to the site, but not to the game, so you aren't a noob. Your behavior is starting to read as scummy. Also note that how you're under fire and you suddenly accuse aceofspades, seemingly hoping to get attention off of you and onto him, which is starting to make me feel like you're worth voting for. This is your Strike 2 for me.

[TrumpetKing]

ace, that's cleared up now. Thank you. Baldeagle, I hadn't had much of a scum read on him other than that, so I agree that he s probably town, at least for now. I am comfortable lynching Fluffy, but let's give him some time to respond.

[TrumpetKing]

Klick didn't even come back with "more to post tonight", if I'm reading this correctly. That mixed with Fluffy's last 2 points is enough to warrant a vote in my opinion, because now it just looks like he's trying to look productive so he can stall and find something to say. Perhaps more pressure will wake him up.

VOTE: Klick

I still can't help but get a little bit of a scummy vibe from Fluffy, but at this point it's mostly a gut feeling and I'll wait for verbal evidence to get a more accurate read.

[TrumpetKing]

Klick's reaction has given me a bit more of a townie vibe off of him. Because my vote was intended mostly for pressure for him to wake up (I did understand Fuzzy's points, which did contribute, as well as my own point, but the vote was more to apply pressure), I'm going to UNVOTE: Klick.

Fuzzy is my next top suspect, for reasons I've already stated, and the fact he thought self voting was scummy. However this could mean he's a noob on the other site he's on as well, but it may not be. I'm willing to support a Fuzzy case right now. Fuzzy, if it's such a problem to describe your experience on another site, that's scummy as well, because it seems like you don't want to be caught in your scummy act. Quit trying to pull the noob card and attempt to defend yourself.
VOTE: TheFuzzylogic99

Review edit: You've basically just said you've had a bit of experience. Yeah, you're pinging me more with that. Have fun pretending to be noob.

[TrumpetKing]

Sorry Om but Im not pushing a vote based on his suicide vote( This action was just the icing on the cake.) Remember I voted for him but retracted bc I accidentally broke a rule. I felt at the time and still do that retracting my vote till I got a response from the mod was the right thing to do. I did not want to base my votes on anything i was not suppose to. After i got an okay from the mod I reevaluated the evidence that was okay to use and made a decision to stick with the decisions to vote for Klick. His vote only reinforced my decision that I already made. I would of voted for him whether he voted for himself or not.

Not my last post was a response to a question Trumpet asked. I thought trumpet was asking about a time I saw a goon or werewolf suicide. I might of misunderstood his question.Anyways I gave an example of a time when this happened. I did humbly admit and still do that townies do suicide to. I never experience this happening but based on experiences at this site it has happened. I hope that I will get the same courtesy.

@Krazey- LOL- You and Gnomeo kept pushing about my experience so I answered it. Its not rambling

Klick's reaction has given me a bit more of a townie vibe off of him. Because my vote was intended mostly for pressure for him to wake up (I did understand Fuzzy's points, which did contribute, as well as my own point, but the vote was more to apply pressure), I'm going to UNVOTE: Klick.

Fuzzy is my next top suspect, for reasons I've already stated, and the fact he thought self voting was scummy. However this could mean he's a noob on the other site he's on as well, but it may not be. I'm willing to support a Fuzzy case right now. Fuzzy, if it's such a problem to describe your experience on another site, that's scummy as well, because it seems like you don't want to be caught in your scummy act. Quit trying to pull the noob card and attempt to defend yourself.
VOTE: TheFuzzylogic99

Review edit: You've basically just said you've had a bit of experience. Yeah, you're pinging me more with that. Have fun pretending to be noob.

You're kidding me. I never once in that paragraph asked about a werewolf or town suicide, let alone a question.

I don't see myself unvoting at this point, seeing how scummy you're acting, voting/unvoting so you don't get modkilled, clearly misunderstanding my words somehow, and trying to ramble on and pull the noob card.

[TrumpetKing]

You should probably pay more attention, because you'd know I wasn't the first person that brought that up. Your unvote was conveniently placed after the mod noted you could be modkilled. Then after you got an OK from the mod, you revote. Seems a little bit more than a coincidence. People are reading you as scum because YOU ARE BEING SCUMMY. YOUR BEHAVIOR IS SCUM 101 ON BOTH SITES I PLAY ON. And last I check, nobody's insisting that noob here means noob to the game. In fact, we've been suggesting that just because you're a noob here, likely doesn't mean you're a noob to the game.

[TrumpetKing]

He was getting votes and it seem like there was going to be a strong wagon.

Why was this a factor in your decision?

I'm on the same boat as Om here, and it seems you don't understand the question. Why did you vote for him because it seemed like there was going to be a strong wagon? That just seems scummy by itself, and mixed with everything else you say, I'm rather sure you're a flailing werewolf or scum.

[TrumpetKing]

Fuzzy's responses are genuine, and that somewhat convinces me to unvote him. However, I also feel like his behavior is genuinely scummy as well. For now, I say we leave him be, and come back to him if we've got no other major lead.
UNVOTE: TheFuzzylogic99

[TrumpetKing]

Prod received.

I was busy elsewhere, sorry. Didn't think I'd be V/LA. I'll catch up and post thoughts later.

[TrumpetKing]

I'm about to gather and analyze my thoughts on each of ferret's posts, so expect something in 10 minutes or so.

[TrumpetKing]

VOTE: 1baldeagle1

I don't like the name.

Also:

Luciana <3

[size=x-small]Who are you people?[/size]

Normal First day shit that eveybody does.

Oh that's stupid.

One sentence fluff.

idk what now so

VOTE: om of dat nom

Still random because no reads yet out of this crap.

Random vote, with fluffy reasoning, which is alright considering it's random.

I also don't check people's stuff in other games. I will only use meta as a last resort. I don't like checking activity in other games.

/me crawls in corner and waits for Klick's post "later tonight."

Random contribution about he doesn't meta so he can make Fluffy sound stupid.

Why are all of you people piling onto Klick?

More fluff.

They are not looking like RV to me. They personally seem like blindwagoning against a player that may just be busy and not ABLE to play everyday.

Decent contribution.

I am dancing stupidly, eating cubed cheese, playing the clarinet badly, waving a flashlight swiftly, and chanting like a gorilla in anticipation.

At least I'm not wearing a sombrero in a goofy fashion.

More fluff. #shocker.

Klick unvote yourself it isn't cute.

Fluff.

And lol aeg calling fuzzy fussy

Fluff.

I am tired. No.

Fluff, saying he can't show emotion because he's tired, if I'm reading this right.

What? What do you mean by "evoke no reaction?"

2nd post of substance. Still fluffy though, considering it's just a question.

Not sure why Klick's vote went on me. Probably trying to look like RV but it is kind of failing.

Could you please explain it first?

i know it wasn't RVS but it wasn't obvious why the vote got placed on me.

This cluster right here is a mixture of fluff and question. I'm not sure why he didn't ask for reasoning first, though. He makes it sound like he tried to ask earlier. The third post also contradicts the first, unless RV and RVS are totally different, I'm new to the site, and I may have missed where these were explained.

Well then.

Fluff.

Now it is scummy to be tired.

Fluff complaining about how being tired is a scumtell, when it really isn't a valid reason.

Pile on the votes!

Fluff fluff fluffy fluff.

Hello? Any reasoning for the votes on me?

At least he's asking for reasoning here.

Sorry Om but Im not pushing a vote based on his suicide vote( This action was just the icing on the cake.) Remember I voted for him but retracted bc I accidentally broke a rule. I felt at the time and still do that retracting my vote till I got a response from the mod was the right thing to do. I did not want to base my votes on anything i was not suppose to. After i got an okay from the mod I reevaluated the evidence that was okay to use and made a decision to stick with the decisions to vote for Klick. His vote only reinforced my decision that I already made. I would of voted for him whether he voted for himself or not.

Not my last post was a response to a question Trumpet asked. I thought trumpet was asking about a time I saw a goon or werewolf suicide. I might of misunderstood his question.Anyways I gave an example of a time when this happened. I did humbly admit and still do that townies do suicide to. I never experience this happening but based on experiences at this site it has happened. I hope that I will get the same courtesy.

@Krazey- LOL- You and Gnomeo kept pushing about my experience so I answered it. Its not rambling

Klick's reaction has given me a bit more of a townie vibe off of him. Because my vote was intended mostly for pressure for him to wake up (I did understand Fuzzy's points, which did contribute, as well as my own point, but the vote was more to apply pressure), I'm going to UNVOTE: Klick.

Fuzzy is my next top suspect, for reasons I've already stated, and the fact he thought self voting was scummy. However this could mean he's a noob on the other site he's on as well, but it may not be. I'm willing to support a Fuzzy case right now. Fuzzy, if it's such a problem to describe your experience on another site, that's scummy as well, because it seems like you don't want to be caught in your scummy act. Quit trying to pull the noob card and attempt to defend yourself.
VOTE: TheFuzzylogic99

Review edit: You've basically just said you've had a bit of experience. Yeah, you're pinging me more with that. Have fun pretending to be noob.

Everything here pinged my scumdar.

I can't tell if he's talking to me, but it's still fluff. If you're talking to me, explain why you're pinged.

My votes had nothing to do with whether or not I was going to get mod killed or not .

Followed by...

I change my mind bc i was not sure the evidence I was using against Klick was legal or not.

VOTE: fuzzy noob card+lie+lie+lie+contradiction+contradiction+shit. 'nuff said.

As noted, this is something that's basically a paraphrased post of another player.

Don't claim yet fuzzy.

Fluffy advice.

Looks like exasperated scum to me.

Random opinion with no basis, looks like he's trying to fit in.

You contradicted yourself again.

Random post that gets explained eventually.

Before you said you didn't vote Klick because of the self vote, post #224 contradicts that.

Explains the past post.

You said you unvoted because you were afraid of the facts being invalid and illegal, but you subsequently stated that you were afraid of a modkill, which you said that you weren't. Please explain with real logic.

Further explains the contradiction.

Don't claim until intent to hammer. I don't want mistakes happening; that has killed PRs too much IME.

Same with not hammering until intent > claim > analyze

More advice.

#1: "Plenty of info" uhm, a bucketload of shit.
#2: was waiting for Klick to post his analyses
#3: But I was thinking it, then read that you already said it. What am I supposed to do, not say my thoughts openly?
#4: Not even sure what was meant by "reaction", so all you guys started acting liking having no reaction was claiming scum.
#5: The vote wasn't explained. What am I supposed to assume? Then after asking for an explanation, another vote was placed on me.
#6: It was my summing up of the only reason that could've possibly come out of Klick's and someone else's votes.
#7: That post did look like his post, however I believe I was saying something different about fuzzy that he hadn't said.

Thanks for quite a few misreps!

pedit fuzzy why is om town?

Defends himself, explaining his thought processes with very short, somewhat vague phrases.

#1 But those 50 posts were full of shit.
#2 Like?
#3 Yeah, whoever said that. I did have the same thought, so I am going to follow through with that.
#4 I know, but at least explain votes

when

you vote to avoid confusion.
#5 Where? I know that there were some but they were never included when the votes were placed.
#6 Well, then why was I being voted?
#7 I thought it was a good format. Nothing else. It seemed to get thoughts across effectively.

Attempts to rebut a response towards him.


Ferret looks like a fluffy person, who's just trying to stay in the middle, with at the most 5 posts of substance, all of which have fluff in them.
VOTE: ferretlover

[TrumpetKing]

I might have missed a few posts, but my opinion stands,

[TrumpetKing]

Prod received. Sorry, I haven't been postng lately, I haven't really felt where I fit into any conversations, and nothing's really sticking out to me currently.

[TrumpetKing]

because you're starting to look tasty.

also. it seems to be agreed that Saki hammers like that. which makes that case moot.

you're quite the lurker yourself actually.

I'm going to make a list.

Klick
Gnomeo
Boom.
Clinical lurkers. Possibly scum
Baldeagle
Hyper bad case. probably town
trupetking.
Prob town
Ellaheathen
Krazy
both attacking bad case, could be town or scum scoring town points, WIFOM, but I'm leaning town on both
Om. WK on fuzzy. prob town
Union....null but leaning town.

Klick's lurking has earned a replacement, so i'll wait for that to go through
Boom, lotsa lurk little content
Gnomeo. similar lurk, similar content. lot's of questions not a lot of original thinking. although Boom has been lurking more, and it's doubly annoying from a hydra....
i'd vote either one of you tbh

Is this supposed to be a reads list? Because it looks like random names glued together.

Agreed. Could you please at least make it direct who belongs to each group?

[TrumpetKing]

I'm going to be V/LA for the rest of the week, starting now. Sorry.

[TrumpetKing]

I'm back. I'm going to try and catch up, but I'm still sorting things out and might not get to it right away.