Open 521: Jungle Republic (Alright. We'll call it a draw)

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My say? I have no idea what the hell youre talking about.

Why dont you have an RVS vote? For that matter, your whole quasi read on fuzzylogic is pretty bad. Why is it obv scum instead of stating facts, this makes no sense. Youre trying to paint him as sscummy for something that even you said could be just stating facts.

VOTE: Krazy

My vote is serious,

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hi

why are all of you so serious

- the illogical head

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That must be DP head.

/runs

-Luciana

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That must be DP head.

/runs

-Luciana

My sides

hahahaahahahaha

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Krazy's post about fuzzy seems a bit premature but I think he was being genuine. I don't like BOOM's reaction to it though. I think he was reading it way to deep and going for a quick lynch.
VOTE: BOOM

How is it going for a quicklynch when he had 2 votes? Bad accusation.

For that matter you had me and the person I voted for as scum reads yet failed to explain why.

For that matter you have Krazy as a scum read and yet agree with him?

And your attack is pretty opportunistic. You aren't the first vote on said wagon, so by YOUR logic, you're quicklynching? Even without the faulty logic, your attack is pretty much based on him being a newb and not on him being scum

VOTE: baldeagle[/b]

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VOTE: baldeagle

DP

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also @ boom.

laughing at your own joke? bad form

I made the joke. Saki laughed

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also @ boom.

laughing at your own joke? bad form

Was more of lucy's joke but ehh

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Prod received. Sorry about that. We havent been very active. (Hell, Saki isnt even reading our hydra QT)

Will post after class

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Did he just claim scum?
Whut..

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Fellow scum?

Rival scum?

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VOTE: TrumpetKing

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Have you guys ever stopped to think that no scum would actually try to push an early self vote as a scum tell or a suicidal tactic?

I was confused at first cause the first thing I read was him saying rival and fellow scum after we got prodded (its hard having a hydra when the other head doesnt post)

But im sure theres at least 1 of each scum in the fuzzy wagon.

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Actually, My vote could from Trumpet, to Krazey, to baldeagle, to ace to ferret. You guys have all been easy wagon jumpers.

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Actually this makes more sense

VOTE: ferretlover

For reasons stated in Yggdra's 230

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Oh cool, I have ADHD too.

This has been DP. All of it. Saki, get your ass in here.

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Saki, get your ass in here.

You probably won't want me in here

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Hi

Well

hi

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UNVOTE:
VOTE: Yggdra Union

lynch all hydras

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VOTE: BOOM

nvm
you suck for voting me
UNVOTE:
VOTE: 1baldeagle1

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UNVOTE:
VOTE: BOOMSHAKALAKA

Sounds great!

-Luciana

ikr rite
can you go first
are you a lady
because ladies first

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I like hammers and I cannot lie
UNVOTE:
VOTE: ferretlover

-Saki

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Yes because quickhammering is automatically scummy.

That being said, I tried to restrain Saki, he has this habit of quickhammering in EVERY game he is in. I thought hydra-ing with him would make him not do that..

Meh, Fuzzy being the night kill surprised me, but I guess its because he couldnt have been mislynched anymore.

Actually The times where I was here, I have been voicing out my suspicion towards the fuzzy wagon and people on it. There is at least one wolf and 1 mafia on it.

Anyway, i like how ace assumes quickhammer = scum and calls us his biggest candidate without voting us or even giving out basic questions. Plus he was a proponent of the fuzzy wagon yesterday, which was clearly a mislynch.

VOTE: aceofspades

DP

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hammer
hammer
i crave another hammer

-Saki

well ok sorry

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VOTE: baldeagle

You cant make a case about someone being scum because he targetted on a newbie when YOU did this as well

DP

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Holy shit, I hate the noob card.

VOTE: Fuzzy

What Krazy and Trumpet said is PERFECTLY true.

UNVOTE:

Fuzzy seems genuine and a newbtown.

Awaiting Klick's statement about ferret.

So you attack ace for attacking the newbie when early on you did the same thing and only started to stay off fuzzy when he was in no danger of being lynched?

Wow.

DP

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Sorry for not posting much
but

Do you think Saki could be using his meta to his advantage as scum?

Don't I always.
-_-

Tippy where does that townread on us come from
like DP and I have not been active at all
at all

-Saki

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Hi. Prod received.

Aldus, is it not hypocritical to vote for someone for doing the exact same things that that person did?

BTW, this head will go V/LA until Sunday

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you don't have to have five to lynch via poe
you need conftown reads
therefore
yer scum

Taking it as a scumtell for now


oh yeah I will get more into this game
but DP's gone so I doubt I'll be moving the vote though

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V/LA ends later. Expect stuff tonight.

DP

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I read an earlier question by elle asking me why I wanted to stop Saki from quickhammering? maybe it has something to do with the fact that quickhammering is generally anti town to begin with?

Wow, tne and GiF. cool beans.

582Translator! "Ace was making a bad vote, but i support it" Seriously?

606 "I voted for this person earlier but now i believe he is a potential mislynch"

Aldus, care to explain the rational behind Yggdra's question? i dont understand.

Im going to invoke the "People who look for reaqsons to see scum slips are either misguided town or opportunistic scum" card,i do not see the scum slips and Krazey's accusation is just too obvious to be a legitimate scum slip.

636 Why would town be concerned with cornering out "specific" scum factions instead of just trying to lynch scummy players. Its like specific hunting gives me "rival faction" vibes. There are 3 factions and people who are looking for ONE specific scum can actually be the other.

Im on page 26 right now. Will post more after breakfast. Or after school

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Actually 635 in itself is a really bad post.

Yeah Im getting back to this game after class.

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??? i'd love to hear the reasoning behind the scum-case on me from anyone. seriously

Lol, pretty much the same case on baldy.
The case on your treatment of fuzzy. Thats what makes you scum

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Yeah pushing YU's statement is terribad.

IT WAS NOT A SCUMSLIP

Moving on, lets lynch people claiming its a scum slip.

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i said it looked like he was trying to push a mislynch. not that it was a mislynch

. The point being. his case isn't very good. But union's reactions to it, are what bother me.

so he's pushing a lynch on bad evidence. which is "pushing a mislynch" that's an attitude and a POV from baldeagle, that i'm suggesting.

My beliefs on unions scummyness were irrelevant.

Then youre implying that you think its a mislynch. Which invalidates your whole explanation

No idea what the second bolded means, its like youre the strawman who'll go with the flow.

DP

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If scum claims Seer, the real Seer is forced to claim, and then it's just mountainous

Neither. One is eating rope today, and another is eating rope tomorrow.
-L

GIF who do you think is more likely to escape lylo with a scum win, ace or eagle?
exactly

LOL, TIP, this could happen no matter what the lynch order is.

In fact, we could lynch one today and the other tomorrow. Why should we go for ace today?

Aldus, you bringing up the plan doesnt really do anything because now that you said it, it cant be used anymore. Not liking the long post explaining the details at all.

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Then one claims and we're fucked

If scum claims Seer, the real Seer is forced to claim, and then it's just mountainous

So. What happened to this?

Mafia claims VT
Werewolf claims VT
VT claims VT
Seer claims VT
Soooo

Soooo if one claims seer, we lynch it anyway.
At least in baldeagle's case, if he's seer... as you say, 'we're fucked' anyway.

@elle: I remember you saying that you don't see baldeagle scum. Why?
To be honest, at first I thought of him as a lynchbait, but then I realized that fmpov about 56% of the playerlist excluding me are scum, and with some townreads I have, he might as well be scum.

-L

Originally:

In regards to baldeagle, I can't tell if he's scum and bad or town and bad. Normally with a slot like this, I would lynch it regardless because it's so unhelpful and distracting to town, even if it is town but after losing two towns already... idk. I'm not great at number crunching odds. The sketchiest thing to date is the vote movement to Yggdra in the space of one post between. (And that's only the sketchiest because I can't tell if his other shit is actually genuinely not understanding wtf he's doing or the things he's saying or if it's purposefully done and playing dumb on after.)

One thing I'd love a response to though is:

If I was scum, I would probably want to be buddies with people that I'm familiar with. People like TiP, BOOM (I know one of the heads) and elle.

You're familiar with me? One, from? And two, then what's your read on me and why?

When he came back and said he'd thought I joined one of his games (I haven't), it struck me as odd not because it was a lie but because to him, familiar = someone joined one of his games instead of knowing something about them or their meta?
Part of me still thinks that he's just clueless and using terms he doesn't understand, misreping without intent and an easy lynch target - but he could just as easily be scum doing it.

To answer the question in short, it's not that I don't see him as scum - more that I like to be more sure than 'he might as well be' to vote him.
However, it's a flip I wouldn't mind seeing because if he does flip scum, it'd give me a good enough gut read on TIP as his partner (a slot I'm super-conflicted on, atm), given the weird meta exchange/distancing/bussing that was going on between the two. (And yes, I know you have him as a town read.) But the reverse is true too and if he were to flip town, it'd clear up a lot of my gutpings on TIP, too.

We'll see...

VOTE: baldeagle

I can't tell if you actually have a scumread on baldeagle or not.

Hear hear.
Its like you dont read him as scum yet want him lynched. Mostly people settle for compromises when someone is at L-1 or L-2

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I'll agree with Alduskell, that I'm getting really tired of the whole scumslip thing.

Yggdra, I was finally able to read your whole Act thing (which was helpful, by the way, I had a hard time trying to see through your explanation)and I do see some sense in them, so Yggdra is a null for me now.

I am up for an ace lynch due to the really scummy opportunistic vote and the OMGUS.

VOTE: ace

I'll read Ald's thing about the seer later tonight. Don't feel like read a wall of text at the moment due to me being tired from the amount of things happening during my V/LA.

Hi, aren't you the one who kept trying to lynch YU over a scum slip?

Ace resorting to ad hominem. And his whole defense of "I dont know if its a scum slip or not" is a pretty soft stances considering he voted for YU over it

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Idk where Saki went.

But this head is V/LA until Oct 5.

Because Im not sure if/when Saki will show up, I'll just say Im not sure when I can post, but I probably will have more time after friday

V/LA until Sept 28

Unless Saki shows up and tells you otherwise.

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What are the odds of having success with an NL?
2 scenarios.
Wolf kills mafia, theres 2 wolf and 3 town with me and/or Yggdra being clear.
Wolf kills a townie, would we lose if its 2 wolves, 1 mafia and 2 town?

Because 2 out of 4 odds isnt comfortable for me atm.

But tomorrow theres a chance of 2 out of 3 or 2 out of 4. Still better odds ipright?

Idk, im not comfortable. But. I think we should look at people under the radar.

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Did you REALLY read up? Because if you did, you would know that the seer already claimed Im not a wolf.

Sounds like youre looking for a shitty reason to vote me. Why am I a "scared wolf" if I wanted to no lynch?

So youre probably the wolf, for trying to blame me as the wolf with the worst case.

But Im still waiting on people to tell me if nl is a good idea.

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Im just worried that he could self hammer at L-1

But Im pretty confident he's a wolf.

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In any case, I dont see elle as the partner. Or even Ald.

I just see Om as the guy who just went completely under the radar that no one questioned until now. Weird gut feel.

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2 issues I have with an Aero lynch.

1) As much as he has been incredibly scummy, I really dont think a wolf would play like this in a lylo-ish situation. Im having a dillema of "too dumb to be scum" or "faking ignorance to remove suspicion". Wolf would be more active and try to earn the mislynch in a scenario like this anyway, so Im worried
2) Elle defending him. Im not sure if its a "lets find actual scum" thing or them being wolf together... :/

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Hi, you are very enthusiastic to see this day end. Its bugging me.

We are NOT lynching anyone yet.

Anyone unconfirmed by ace is a suspect to me at this point, Im too confused

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Holy fuck, are you kidding me?

VOTE: Om of the Nom

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Im more confident that its. Om.

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Actually, what bugs me is that I saw Aero post elsewhere, so he could be avoiding the game..

Damn it

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And suddenly, elle being afraid to call Aldus wolf when she eliminated Aero makes this completely suspicious.

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Hi. this is more viable. I know I voted for EVERYONE today, but its unbearable to see someone actually argue for someone as wolf without calling the ONLY OTHER OPTION a wolf as well.

VOTE: elleheathen

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V/LA TIL sunday.

I am sick..

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Crap! Sorry guys, I have had no internet access for THREE whole days.

I am competing as a judge in a local debate tournament and there was no internet at home for some reason. Sorry guys.

Will catch up after the tourney ends