Open 521: Jungle Republic (Alright. We'll call it a draw)

[TheFuzzylogic99]

well since I am new to this site and do not know peoples playing style my vote will be random for the time being. Round 1 usually a guess anyways unless the mafia or werewolf player does something obvious to draw atention to themselves. Saying that

Vote Gnomeo

[TheFuzzylogic99]

Hi everyone.......

[TheFuzzylogic99]

Thanks Krazy for trying to paint me scummy by totally misquoting me. ( Yes ,I am being sarcastic here...just in case somebody somehow is missing the obvious) What I said was that it was hard to know who is scummy on day 1 unless a mafia or werewolf player did something really dumb. Maybe you are hoping noone would go back and read my original post. Either you are an overanxious townie or scum. Either way I am keeping my eyes on you.

[TheFuzzylogic99]

This is not my first mafia game , I have played quite a few on other sites. To be honest I enjoy games that challenge my mental capacity . I guess I could of played in a newbie game I just was excited about getting back into playing again. Honestly I guess I was being a bit impatient. I also thought I could manage to handle a regular game as oppose to a newbie game. Hopefully this will be a site on my game rotation along with the site I play Risk on.

I was not being uptight just stating the obvious. I guess some might read my first post as being me being uptight. In my experience I have found that in most game that a vanilla townie get lynched in day one. This is just a statistical thing since there are more townies than scum. There have been games where scum have suicide on day one or have done just enough to get caught but this is usually not the case

Thanks for the suggestion of getting an avatar. Did not think about it.

[TheFuzzylogic99]

If Krazy is a overanxious townie than his actions could get a townie lynched . However misquoting posts in hopes of getting an easy lynch reeks of scum. Either way I think voting Krazy is the best bet here. Hopefully Krazy is one of those scum who decide to suicide on day one a get them self lynch

unvote : Gnomeo

Vote: Krazy

[TheFuzzylogic99]

Spade , I do not understand your logic on how I am really scummy just because I posted two generic and newbie post at the beginning. If go by that logic the town would lynch newbies the first round every game. As that great philosopher Spock would say " You reasoning is quite illogical"

Not to mention the imaginary argument you insist me and me and Krazy were having, The fact is that I posted one thing about Krazy which was 100 % accurate. He did misquote me .He accused me of being scummy with bad if not scummy reasoning I called him on it .

fuzzy's posts (not there are a lot of them) irk me if he's not a noob. Because what do they add to the discussion?

To me. if all you can post is

"Well, some people are mafia, and some aren't, i hope we catch them, because if we don't that means we lose, cause we're town amiright?"

that's not a good town read. It's not enough for me to say anything definitively, but i'm leaning toward scum.

Actually it's funny to me. because the reasons I think krazy and fuzzy are the highest scum-dar trippers, is their reactions to posts about each other.

@Union. Twitching my radar sounds really bad if you say it with the wrong inflection.

You also say me and Krazy are scummy but unvote Krazy. Are you saying I am more scummier than Krazy. To be honest I am really really confused with your logic and actions. Maybe you can clear things up .

[TheFuzzylogic99]

Om

The way I read Spade quotes were that I was scummy because I posted a few posts that seemed newbie or irrelevant. My response was that if everyone used that logic than we would lynch newbies the first round. Okay maybe my argument was bit exaggerated but the logic stands. There is little to no relevance to read newbie posts as being scummy especially at the beginning of the game. This to me is bad logic. Seems like Spade is maybe pushing me to see if i will give a scummy response.

Krazey- You did misquote me but saying that I reread your original post. I think I misinterpreted what you were trying to say. You still are onmy radr but for now

Unvote Krazey

[TheFuzzylogic99]

@Spade- Am I new? that is just a ridiculous question. Of course I am new. Look at my status and my join date. Townsperson / joined August 19 2013. I never claimed I am new at the game just new at this site. There was an obvious difference. My post might seem newbieish since that I am new to the site and I am testing out the water. If you played at any other site you will know that each site is difference and have a different flow.
The funny thing is that after a few post I dropped the whole new thing and started to post more relevant info . You are the one that keeps bringing up about me being new. You are the one who are trying to convince others that I am scummy bc of things I posted early in the game.It seems like to me you are trying to bandwagon me.

Wow, we make a few post and me and Krazy is in this long drawn out argument apparently. My read is that you are trying to make a mountain out of a molehill. When you posted the statement about not liking how me and Krazy are talking to each other. (you think the conversation is scummy ) we had just two maybe three post directed at each other. He misquoted me in a way I felt at the time he was trying to make me out to be scummy in order to get me lynch. Rereading the post i change my mind about what his intention were.

May I add you have yet to answer Trumpet King Question. Are you trying to avoid answering it???

Honestly I have no idea what to make of you Spade. You are starting to feel really scummy to me.

[TheFuzzylogic99]

@Krazey

You say tow-mot-toes , I say Toe-mate-toes. You say defensive, I say mildly annoyed but slightly amused and bewildered.

[TheFuzzylogic99]

I honestly did not find anything in my last two post all that defensive. Like I said I was a bit annoyed but mostly just confused by Spade posts.

Spade has only one card that he is trying to use against me over and over again. It would be okay if what he said had some type of validity to it. If you look at his argument however it has none .Npr does it follow any rational logic. In retrospect I should of just ignored Spade since none of his argument has any validity. The truth is the only reason I look scummy because I keep responding to Spade posts in a somewhat aggressive manner. By doing so I have validated his argument I am scummy even with his weak argument.

Trumpet I am not offended... i am a bit fluffy. However I ask you ,Please dont hold my lack of dietary control against me

[TheFuzzylogic99]

Sorry Gnomeo , I am not going to bc it has no revelence to the game, I want to move on from this subject bc it is a mute point . If you werent hung over you could of had you chance to poke or hit the fuzzy pinata.


Is it me , or does Spade seem to kind of answer but not answer things he is asked or when he responds to something. His answer seems a to be a bit of doubletalk and non answers. Than again it could be a bad read or bias bc of the mental scuffle we had, Thats why I am asking. I think my radar is broken.

[TheFuzzylogic99]

I guess one could argue that Klick posted a few things ( non informative and not useful) early on and than disappeared. He could be a scum hiding out but I think that it is still a little early in the game to really say. Personally I would like to wait a bit longer to see what happens. we still have a while till day one is over, I don't necessarily think we need to get a quick kill. I think we should hold off and try to get as much feed on each other as we can . I do find it odd that Klick is getting votes without explanation. I am not sure if they are RV or not

[TheFuzzylogic99]

Vote Klick

Heres why

1) He been smudging the truth. While he prob has been busy ( I read him admitting this in post in another game he is in) he still has manage to post several times in the Fire and Ice game. He has pretty much been MIA for this game
2) when he does post he add nothing to the conversation. He just post enough not to get kicked out . In the other game it seems like he giving atleast a pretty decent response to whats going on
3) He doesnt seem al that interested in whats going on in this game. While this could be just because its early in the game or he feels the game is slow to me it feels like he just hiding out. Being busy is good excuse since many people would not look to see if he has been active on the other forum.

He is giving all the signs of a scum who is hiding out waiting for the townies to lynch each

IGMEOY

(I got my eyes on you)

Krazey- For some reason I cant shake the feeling that scummy.


Spade- You seemed to trying hard to make a case against me with very little evidence and some really bad logic

[TheFuzzylogic99]

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You seemd to be trying*

[TheFuzzylogic99]

Oh, Sorry Guys I honest did not know what I did was illegal. There are a bunch of rules ( feels like a zillion) here at this site . I did read them all but there so hard to remember them all especially with the memory problem I have. If you want to kick me out of the game for breaking the rules thats fine. I wil understand/

Bc I based my evidence on something thats not allowed on this site. i will unvote Klick. It is the right thing to do. I hope you do not take this as evidence for or against me being scummy

Unvote klickj

As far as the question Gnomeo asked I did answer it. I have not ignored him. I said it was not relevant to the game in my opinion , I am sticking to that answer.

I will be AFK all day. Real life beacons,

[TheFuzzylogic99]

Are alll my points against the rules or just the first on ... I would think my whole case is not valid but everyone is saying it is just the first one. . If I could have some clarity I would really appreciate it. Thank you. Once again sorry for doing something against the rules . It was purely unintentional.

[TheFuzzylogic99]

Thank you your gracious Modship. I will try to be good from now on.

Flattery will get you pretty much anywhere. Thank you!

[TheFuzzylogic99]

From the understanding of the rules all the evidence I stated is valid except the first point, Taking in that and the fact Klick has tried voting for himself I think it is reasonable to find him scummy.

Vote Klick

What is V/LA - is that vacation and leave of absence ?????

[TheFuzzylogic99]

How am I scummy?? I am following my instincts. I welcome your reasoning.

[TheFuzzylogic99]

To be fair it was not just the self voting. Him disappearing from the game while posting in other games makes me believe he is hiding out.I seen this from scum before. I have no reason not believe otherwise. he has not given a reasonable explanation for this. They are legal and valid question. I am just asking him to give a good reason why i should not believe his action are not scummy. I know he said that he said that nothing happening here but I am not sure he has not done anything more than scan the game. Honestly I am just waiting for a reason for me not to vote for him.

As far as the self voting....I have often seen scum do this when they are about to be lynch. I dont remember any townies self voting.I admit that I could be wrong and he just a frustrated townie. I still stand by the instint that he is scummy.

[TheFuzzylogic99]

i guess I should give you some back ground. I played mafia on a non mafia site for two years or so. This was a site for posting your video game based movies, For example movies made from the sims game. I had some life issues and had to leave the site. By the time I got back the site it had been shut down for lack of interest. Its a sad bc there were some cool videos there as well as some cool people . I also played on a mafia site as well. It was not really set up to for mafia /werewolf so the games were kind of limited. I been gone from the game for twp or three years/ Not my choice.I ask you to respect my privacy on such matters.

On the video site there were a forum dedicated to Mafia games. This is part RPing as well. I don't remember the exact detail. I am not going to sit here and tell you I do. I do remember that in one maybe two games atleast there were scum getting alot of attentions and piling on the votes. It was obvious that they were going to get lynch. They gave very defensive and or non answers as well as contradicting themselves . They knew that they were caught so they self imploded and self voted. In both cases they were scum. As far as I can remember when a townie is about to be lynch they have always fought to the last vote to save themselves. I do not remember anytime that a townie committed suicide. From what i heard from players her it does and has .happen. I am going take y'all word on it. Still even without the self lynch I think that there strong indicators Klick is scummy.

BTW I never claimed I am a noob game wise only new to this site. I find the playing styles and rules a bit different from the other places I played. I should say site rules/. I also find the game style a bit different. Its like going to visit England from the US. There are alot of similarities but also things that different. Its getting adjusted to the customs and people of the new country. Hope that helped explain things

[TheFuzzylogic99]

Sorry Om but Im not pushing a vote based on his suicide vote( This action was just the icing on the cake.) Remember I voted for him but retracted bc I accidentally broke a rule. I felt at the time and still do that retracting my vote till I got a response from the mod was the right thing to do. I did not want to base my votes on anything i was not suppose to. After i got an okay from the mod I reevaluated the evidence that was okay to use and made a decision to stick with the decisions to vote for Klick. His vote only reinforced my decision that I already made. I would of voted for him whether he voted for himself or not.

Not my last post was a response to a question Trumpet asked. I thought trumpet was asking about a time I saw a goon or werewolf suicide. I might of misunderstood his question.Anyways I gave an example of a time when this happened. I did humbly admit and still do that townies do suicide to. I never experience this happening but based on experiences at this site it has happened. I hope that I will get the same courtesy.

@Krazey- LOL- You and Gnomeo kept pushing about my experience so I answered it. Its not rambling

Klick's reaction has given me a bit more of a townie vibe off of him. Because my vote was intended mostly for pressure for him to wake up (I did understand Fuzzy's points, which did contribute, as well as my own point, but the vote was more to apply pressure), I'm going to UNVOTE: Klick.

Fuzzy is my next top suspect, for reasons I've already stated, and the fact he thought self voting was scummy. However this could mean he's a noob on the other site he's on as well, but it may not be. I'm willing to support a Fuzzy case right now. Fuzzy, if it's such a problem to describe your experience on another site, that's scummy as well, because it seems like you don't want to be caught in your scummy act. Quit trying to pull the noob card and attempt to defend yourself.
VOTE: TheFuzzylogic99

Review edit: You've basically just said you've had a bit of experience. Yeah, you're pinging me more with that. Have fun pretending to be noob.

[TheFuzzylogic99]

What can i say....I was asked a question and I answered it. You pushed for me to answer Gnomeo question and I did. Theres nothing more to it. Its is a bit annoying that I was asked a question and when I finally answered it I get attacked for doing so. Hey if you attack me for answering a question have fun.

Hers the facts

Kick has been posting in other games but not here.

He has been posting relevant info in other games an only came here to make non relevant post and RV

He seems very disinterested in the game and any scum hunting. ( Note if he is scum there is no real need to scum hunt. He can just wait for us townie to lunch each other)

all these activities points to a scum hiding out

I think it is not unreasonable for Klick to convince us why we should find his action scummy

[TheFuzzylogic99]

@ edit

Klick has been posting in other games often but not here.

[TheFuzzylogic99]

Hmm.. did not mean to skim the rules. Really hoping I dont get Mod killed.

I think I played 1 multi scum game but I mange to get myself killed early so I dont have much experience with those. I would assume that hiding out would be still a relevant strategy however you might be right. I think I wll rethink this notion. I have played mainly 1 scum team and townies.

I havent seen him post anything all that relevant, so for now I will disagree with you that pointI did not find the reaction test all that useful and it came off to me as a RV..As far as the ferret wagon I do not see the rationale of that. I have not seen any evidence for ferret being Scum . Honestly I am reading him as a townie/.

For now

unvote Klick

[TheFuzzylogic99]

How I am scummy?

@ feret I have not once lied or contriducted myself. I have repeated the same story over and over again even if some players thought it made ne look bad. I have loked for scumm using the expierence I have gathered . I have avoided jumping on wagons just for the sake of doing. I could of eaxily jumoed on the ferret wagon. It would taken the attention off me. The fact is that I read you as being a townie. I felt that klick was scummy and I stuck with that even though it kept me under the spotlight. I welcome anyone to point out where I have lied or contridicted myself.

I just ask you if my you and other if my action is those who is scummy? Everyone heres admits i have atleast someexpierence plsying. So that mean there are two conclusion in my opinion. 1) I am just really bad at playing scum. So bad that I have done almost everythig short of Yelling I am scum lynch me

Or
2) I am a townie who words have been misinturpted and maybe even twisted byp scum to look bad.

if I am scum i would say I have played worse than a noob would of. Just my humble opinion

[TheFuzzylogic99]

@trumpet
The idea that I unvoted bc I might be mod killed is silly. My votes had nothing to do with whether or not I was going to get mod killed or not . I change my mind bc i was not sure the evidence I was using against Klick was legal or not. . Sorry but this is a really bad rationale for a vote by Krazey bc it makes no sense. The fact is no matter how you look at it being mod killed never effects anyone votes. You get mod killed bc you broke the rules not bc you broke a rule and than unvoted or voted against a player. As far as the second time I was sure I made it clear that it was bc of something Om said about a two scum set up. I took his comment under advisement and unvoted. His comment seemed to make some sense.

Ace-
Havent played this record before.... I never ever claim to be a noob game wise and there is not a shred of evidence that I have. I have always maintain that I am new to the site and that bc of that people might read me as scum. For some reason you are bound and determine to maintain that being new at the site and being new at the game are the same thing.
I honestly do not understand this. I wish I did so I could understand where you are coming from.


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the facts are that I based my vote on Klick from experience I had in other games. I was called scummy for basing my votes on Klick activity. When I made an honest attempt to explain that I had based it on my experience on other sites, I was called scummy. Than I was accused of playing the noob card. Which is partly correct. I have always maintain I am new to this site not to the game . Sorry but it feel like I am being told bc what i experience playing on other site does not happen here that means I am scum. I am not sure how I am suppose to defend myself when every attempt I make is blasted no matter what I do.

Think about it.... I am not saying what to do but consider the possibilities that I am getting railroaded by some players. I am a easy target. My playing style is different that alot of people here which makes it easy to twist what I am saying or doing. The fact that I had said the same thing over and over again even if it put me in the spotlight. The fact that I never once contradicted myself or lied. Nor have I become overly defensive. If you look at the evidence you will come to the conclusion that I am a townie

[TheFuzzylogic99]

I know i am pretty much toast but i am not going to go down without a fight

@ trumpet

the reason i addressed you personally was bc I was hoping you would be the voice of reason. You seemed like a person who seem to be pretty logical. I was hoping you would see though the fog and see the truth. You still can. Do you really want to help lynch a townie??? Think about it.I can see how on the surface my activity seem scummy but think about it. If I was scum why would I put myself in a situation that might get me lynch . If I was scum I would of jumped on the Ferret wagon. The best play for me for me after getting warned ( if I was scum) would of been jump on the Ferret wagon. If ferret was townie or rival scum I could of tried to get an easy and quick lynch. If he was fellow scum I could played it cool hoped that everything would of cooled down. which would been the likely thing to happen. The worst would be that Ferret would be lynched and found scum. Still I would come off pretty clean . The only logical explanation is that I am townie who strongly at the time Klick was scum. Think about doesnt my action seem alot like an over zealous townie who was pretty sure he thought he found scum. I could of easily dropped the whole Klick thing and tried to find an easy target. Any decent player who played scum before would know this no matter the set up. So I am a really bad player who has no idea how to play scum or an overzealous Townie. Ask yourself ..have I shown that I am that horrible of a player. If you really think that I am so bad of a player that I would would make the worst possible move than I am okay with you keeping your vote on me as scum

[TheFuzzylogic99]

Honestly I am very very very very very very confused how saying a self vote is a sign of being scummy. Honestly I never ever ever heard of that in all my time of playing. I can see it as maybe being bad or fuzzy logic but never sign of scuminess. I pretty got nailed for something that makes no sense ( atlaest to me) This was the reason I am about to be lynch.

[TheFuzzylogic99]

No I never claim scum but I might as just wait for people to say i was.

I was asking a question. Klick self voted... I said thats pretty scummy , than a bunch of people claimed I was scum for saying his action was scum. I was curious how I was scummy bc I called out something I thought was scummy?

[TheFuzzylogic99]

* action was scummy

[TheFuzzylogic99]

Spade......thats still not necessarily mean the person who said it is scummy is summy. It might but it also could mean the person is just mistaken. So once again I ask who believing if a person self votes means the accuser is scummy

[TheFuzzylogic99]

how believing*

[TheFuzzylogic99]

It doesnt or( atleast necessarily ) mean the accuser is scummy, Though you are correct in saying that both could be scum. There are 4 p0ssibilities

1) both players are scummy
2)neither players are scummy
3) one is scummy and one is a townie

Sorry if I seem dense but I dont understand. It would seem the burden of proof here is that the accuser motivation is scummy and not his/ her action being the fact that 2 out of the 3 times the acusser has the possibilities of being a townie.

[TheFuzzylogic99]

I could say that player x is scummy for saying that I am scummy for saying is Klick is scummy. Since its possible all three players are townies how would that make me scummy or the mater of fact the other two scummy. I am not following the logic here

[TheFuzzylogic99]

No Ferret , it just the logic does not make any sense to me

I asked a reasonable question. What about the act of saying Klick actions seemed scummy makes me scummy as opposed to just being wrong or misguided..(for an example and and an example only..). I could say that saying I am scummy makes you scummy. You accusing me makes you or does not scummy.

I am really really trying to follow the logic here but I just cant. The two seem like statements seem like two unconnected thoughts.

[TheFuzzylogic99]

I can see how me revoting Klick after possibility of getting mod killed makes me look scummy. But like I said I am totally and utterly baffled how saying someone seems scummy based on my personal experience makes me scummy. It is the equivalent of saying 2+2=5 to me.

[TheFuzzylogic99]

I feel like I am banging my fat head against a brick wall. Honestly all I want is a halfway reasonable answer to a pretty straight forward question. The only somewhat reasonable answer I got was from Krazy. I do appreciate his honest attempt to explain it to me

[TheFuzzylogic99]

thats sound like a somewhat reasonable answers......Thank. It still does not make total sense since bald eagle and om only mention the fact they thought I scum bc I voted bc of Klicks self vote . Honestly thats all i wanted a reasonable answers

[TheFuzzylogic99]

Ferret- Accusation without proof is meaningless. I could claim that you contradicted yourself. But than again those would just be words.

[TheFuzzylogic99]

In my defense

Im sure that there are many among you, especially the scum , want me to put up my hands and let myself to be lynch. I like the tell the scum hiding out among the townies that they will not lynch this innocent townie that easily. If they want to lynch me they better be ready to put a fight. I hope that there are some amongst you can see my innocence and can see that my words and action have been twisted in order to get a quick and easy lynch. I just ask that you will forget about your presuppose notion of my guilt and read this with at least a half open mind.

I am going to address the biggest accusation against me which is the vote and unvote of Klick. I admit on the surface my action seem scummy. Even I can see that now even if I might of not seen it at that point in time. The thing is that everything is not always as it appears.

My rational for voting for Klick was that he was hiding out and waiting for the townies to happily lynch each other. This a technique I have seen used many time before. There was only one problem with notion that was pointed out to me. This strategies might works well in a town verse scum scenario but is a terrible idea for a two scum setup as someone pointed out . When I played Mafia I usually play a the one town one scum set up. I only played a two scum set up once and I got frustrated and made it easy for the scum to lynch me early in the game. I usually played a basic set up with some variations. My reason for voting for Klick was very faulty and based on wrong notions. When it was pointed out in Om that I was misguide I reconsidered my vote.

As far as the first unvote honestly I was far more concern with using evidence that was illegal which I saw much more scummy than voting and unvoting. The notion that I was doing something wrong played very highly in the decision. I always try to do what is right. I guess its a pretty stupid thing to do in a game based on lies and twisting people words. I did not allow the fact that I might get mod killed effect my decision to unvote Klickk at all.

Oh, Sorry Guys I honest did not know what I did was illegal. There are a bunch of rules ( feels like a zillion) here at this site . I did read them all but there so hard to remember them all especially with the memory problem I have. If you want to kick me out of the game for breaking the rules thats fine. I wil understand/

Bc I based my evidence on something thats not allowed on this site. i will unvote Klick. It is the right thing to do. I hope you do not take this as evidence for or against me being scummy

Unvote klickj

As far as the question Gnomeo asked I did answer it. I have not ignored him. I said it was not relevant to the game in my opinion , I am sticking to that answer.

I will be AFK all day. Real life beacons,

If you read the note you wil notice I was concern about me unvoting based on the fact I believed my facts were invalid was my only concerned gamewise. Being Mod killed is only a minor part of the letter and took up one sentenced. To make it more than that is giving it far more importance than it deserves. Doing so is just making a mole hill out of an anthill.

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Ferret that is nonsense bc there was a whole conversation on me voting on Klick self vote and than an huge explanation on why I did. I added it was not the whole reason why but it was the icing on the cake. I felt it made him look guiltier than before. So please do not twist my words and if you do please learn to be better at it

[TheFuzzylogic99]

Rethinking it Im not sure

but I can tell you at the time I thought he panicked and let the pressure of the accusations got to him. I thought he was scum that knew he was caught. The evidence looked pretty solid or atleast good enough to get him lynched. He was getting votes and it seem like there was going to be a strong wagon.

[TheFuzzylogic99]

Ferret... I said that I knew I broke the rules and if the mod thought it was the right thing I was okay with Mhork taking me out of the game for breaking the rules. Once again I was trying to do the right thing. This seems to fit my Mo doesnt it? I admit I did something wrong and acknowledge that i said be punished for that violation. I thought using info that was illegal or invalid was wrong so I unvoted. I dont know about you but these are not signs of scum .However I never said I was afraid of a mod kill. If you read the post it is obvious I accepting of my fate by the mod and willing to accept it. Doesnt seem like I am afraid at all.

[TheFuzzylogic99]

Im not quite understanding your question....

I going to try to answer it the best i can. Those were not factors in my votes. I thought that he felt those things so he self voted.That there was the evidence there for for a lynch and there was a strong wagon going. Rereading my answer I can tell I was not clear that I thinking he believed those things/ Hope that cleared things up

[TheFuzzylogic99]

Edit
I was thinking that he believed......

[TheFuzzylogic99]

but I can tell you at the time I thought he panicked and let the pressure of the accusations got to him. I thought he was scum that knew he was caught. The evidence looked pretty solid or atleast good enough to get him lynched. He was getting votes and it seem like there was going to be a strong wagon

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this was one continuous thought of how I believed he felt and thought . I thought he was scum that knew he was caught refers to the fact I thought he believed that
he was busted and he believed his scum days were done . I admit this is pretty awkward way of stating that.. In the following related post I try to clarify that point.

The fact is that I never based my vote on the wagon strength.

Im not quite understanding your question....

I going to try to answer it the best i can. Those were not factors in my votes. I thought that he felt those things so he self voted.That there was the evidence there for for a lynch and there was a strong wagon going. Rereading my answer I can tell I was not clear that I thinking he believed those things/ Hope that cleared things up

this was me clarifying I that I was stating about the post above being about how I perceived his situation


I was confused by the question bc I was being asked to talk about something I did not use as a part of my voting decison

[TheFuzzylogic99]

To make it simple I believed that he felt panicked , scared bc of the pressure. he believed he had been busted , and he felt he was going to be wagoned bc of the evidence. He believed he was going to be lynched and there was nothing he could do about it. Bc of these things he self voted.

[TheFuzzylogic99]

Exactly Nom.....You hit it on the spot. Im ADD so I often have a million ideas in my bouncing head at once but editing those ideas getting those ideas on the page where people understand them can be a struggle at times. I dont know if Im good at English or not but at times I can get very sloppy in my writing.And I am not offended at all. OM I know that its something I struggle with

[TheFuzzylogic99]

bouncing in my head*

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@ Krazey -Ok explain this to me so I understand.

Are you saying that I unvoted Klick so that the Mhark would not Mod Kill me? This is what I think I am hearing you say. I want to make sure I understand you correctly. Also what do you mean by push/ pull. I don't quite get what you are saying here.

[TheFuzzylogic99]

Wouldnt I get mod killed even if didnt I change my vote if the mod deemed it the right thing to do. I never heard of a mod making a decison based on voting activities. Every where I played you got zapped if you broke the rules bad enough. Maybe I being dense but I am not sure why I would change my vote in fear of a mod kill. Am I missing something here.

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@ krazey

Forget what you think you know and ask yourself a question. If Fuzzy believed tbat changing votes would avoid a mod kill wouldnt it be easier for him to claim changing votes is not nessarilly scummy than to keep insisting that mod kills are not affected by his voting action. If this is true than it is very resonable to assume that he did not change his vote do to a mod kill.

[TheFuzzylogic99]

again why would mods make decisons based on voting records. This makes no sense at all. Following that logic. If I did not change my votes due to a mod kill than there had to be another reason..the logical conclosion based on evidence is that I did it bc I felt I could not use the evidence I presented.

I have not seen one piece of evidence to make me belive that changing your vote effect a mod kill. Unless someone can prove that than changing my vote to avoid a mod kill seems like an invalid arguement. If you make such statement I think it is reasonable to ask to be able to back it up.

[TheFuzzylogic99]

edit
You seemd to be trying*

simply calling it bad logic doesn't make it so.

A person who make contradictory claims is a scummy read to me. because town has very few incentives to be dishonest (i'd say none. but there probably was that one case......)
Fuzzy "post"
The People "that post is strange"
Fuzzy "sorry I'm a noob"
Time interval
Ace (please stop calling me spade, it grates on me and makes me want to puke) "why didn't you play a newbie game noob?
Fussy "i'm not a noob."
Ace "lying is scummy"
Fussy "you have bad logic and no evidence."

i don't think fuzzy is town.

How is this anything close to evidence I am scum especially since you have none of what you posted is true. . Either you are just scanning my posts or you are just flat out misrepresenting what I had said. I am not sure which one. Not only that but this seems like you are trying to bait me into saying something in my defense so you can say I contradicted myself and lied. Not going to say you are scum but I have my doubts.
Not to mention you decided to insult me instead of posting any credible evidence

I am not sure but i think ferret has been doing the same thing. I need to think about this some more

IGMEOY

Ace of Spades and Ferret

[TheFuzzylogic99]

Ugh......just reliized that when I delteted some sentences that I did not delete one all the way so it end up sounding like I cant speak English. If I didnt need my brain I swear I would poke it with a pointed qtip.

[TheFuzzylogic99]

Me fail English thats umpossible- " Ralph Wiggum"

Just bc I have an excuse to use a Simpson quote.

[TheFuzzylogic99]

And Fuzzy disappears...

I wish...Life would alot easier.


Actually i am just chilling out collecting my thoughts before I post anything relevant.

[TheFuzzylogic99]

* Life would be a lot easier

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I am not quite sure where I fall on the Ferret wagon. I feel both him and Ace seem scummy and both should be suspect. I want to take it slow and make sure there is a good case against either one of them. We have some time so I don't think there is need for a quick lynch and accidentally kill off a townie.

what is ISO ?

[TheFuzzylogic99]

I am almost 100 % certain OM and Union are townies. I would be very surprised if either one of them turn up scum. Despite my read earlier I am starting to think Klick is a townie.

Here is what I got...

Townie

1) Fuzzy ( ie me)
2) Om -
3) Union- everything about him shouts townie

Klick- could of hammered me and didn't. He might of taken some heat for putting the final blow on a townie . Still he could of easily of played Fuzzy was acting too weird not to vote card and prob gotten away clean.. Except for his lack of activity here there not too much of anything that might be read as scummy. I am not 100 percent on him but I am starting to read strongly Townie.

Assuming my read is correct than we have 9 players who could scum than we have a more than 1 in 2 chance of lynching scum.

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@Ferret- there is nothing I can see that seem remotely scummy about him. Also how he acted during the whole fuzzy wagon seem like he was honestly trying to hunt scum. Though he was wrong about me at that time I did not see him misrep or lie about what going on. Neither does it seem he has done so throughout the whole game.

[TheFuzzylogic99]

Unless I miscounted I have Ferret at L-1. I think someone should double check that to make sure I am right.

Ferret- Klick, Om, Ellen, Union, Baldeagle, Trumpet