Mini 1492: Harry Potter and the Chamber of Secrets GAME OVER

[RachMarie]

hey all figures I come late to the party and miss my chance to do a RVS. (I so wanted to RVS vote Jason )

Lots of bouncing wagons I see....

[RachMarie]

not much yet amrun takes me a while to sort things out, and I am not even sure everyone has posted yet have they?

[RachMarie]

Squilly feels like he is jumping from wagon to wagon to see which one "sticks" Kinda like the old throw a spaghetti noodle against the wall and see if it sticks which tells you they are done.

Especially telling to me is that he was voting CDB and after CDB said lynch Amrun, he switches with no reasoning to Amrun. If he found CDB scummy enough to vote for him, why would he sheep him to try to lynch Amrun?

VOTE: squilly

[RachMarie]

Sorry all I have been in bed sick

Need to read through some ISOs and see if I can clarify some slots.

I do know that CDB is a slippery one and good at appearing town when scum, but he also is good at being town.

fery has been too quiet

Syr also too quiet

I need more from them to clarify their slots.

Jason is also good at both being scum and town. Not so sold on this wagon on him though.

more later.

oh and welcome Feg we meet again...

[RachMarie]

CDB I just got up a few minutes ago after spending well over 24 hours in bed. So yeah thats why so quick after your post

[RachMarie]

No you NKed me in one Newbie game....

I was like WTF??? I rarely get NKed?

[RachMarie]

you mean besides that I think squilly is scum?

You are prob town.

Will get to the rest after coffee.... Ugh gotta love not waking up til the middle of the afternoon....

[RachMarie]

Town

fferyllt
Amrun
Toomai
LnGrrrR
ChannelDelibird

Scum

Squilly
JasonWazza

Need to see more from

oriole
StubbsKVM
penguin_alien
Syryana (or his replacement if he replaces out)

T S O

Fegelein


TLDR There are too many not participating enough in this game...

[RachMarie]

Sorry about taking so long to get back, a few things, including work stuffs distracted me.

Done with coffee, had soda, and now drinking peach tea with rum lol.

[RachMarie]

how do you get 2 reads out of my list above Stubbs?

[RachMarie]

oops lol

[RachMarie]

What is your reasoning on scum Stubbs, Amrun?

[RachMarie]

any specific reasons Syr? And I am glad you are sticking around

[RachMarie]

Feg you can't compare this game with the one where I was the Doc and DC was the JK and mainly all I had to do was make sure I protected him every night. And I was wrong if you recall I was so sure that Hiraki was scum and once he was replaced by SD it turned out he was not scum after all

Plus in addition to my injured knee I have been sick I hate being sick.

[RachMarie]

whoops wrong game

This one was the one we were in together

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=51&t=27888

That was before I injured my knee duh. Which limits the amount of time I am on the computer and some of that time has to be spent on work stuffs since I work from home.

[RachMarie]

LOL raging hardon... Don't ever change Syr....

yeah starting to feel pretty good about Syr being prob town... He tends to be more careful with his wording when scumz.

Will take a look at CDB's links for his case. Still think Jason is scum, and it is not just his activity level, it is what he posted when he did post. Definitely not getting good vibrations here, unlike the Beach Boys song.

Fery has cut down on the amount she has posted but what she has posted definitely feels like town fery not scum fery.

feeling good about Amrun and CDB too.

yeah that whole Rach is scum, oh wait she posted a list, Rach is town bothers me too....

[RachMarie]

Open 514 Mason and Monks (I was a Monk along with Mala who turned out to be scum)

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=51&t=30057

He ended up replacing out of the game. Diginova replaced in.

This is the only other completed game I have with him, since marathon games do not count.

I think that other people who are playing who are far more familiar with me have a better handle on me.

As for Newbie 1395, I was the IC there. I can find games around the same time where I was town and I was dealing with RL issues.

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[RachMarie]

Also seems rather OMGUSy considering I feel his pred (Squilly) was scum.

[RachMarie]

Marquis do you ever plan on contributing something other than your one note song of "Rach is scum"?

What do you think of Jason?

What do you think of Amrun?

What do you think of anyone else actually?

[RachMarie]

What about Marquis (Squilly) ?

BTW Voided could you be a dear and fix the vote on me its Marquis not Squilly voting for me lol.

[RachMarie]

I am still here but may be a bit out of it for a few days. My young cousin Amy died yesterday from her cancer.

[RachMarie]

he was a teeny lil blond kid that got petrified with his camera in the 2nd movie. Like the rest, he did not actually die because he saw the reflection of the basilisk and not straight on.

Filch's kitty saw it from the water mess on the floor.
Colin his camera.
Justin through nearly headless Nick who was a ghose.
Hermione and the Ravenclaw prefect girl cant remember her name, through a mirror. I do remember Percy was sweet on her.

Filch does seem a tad odd though, he was a rather nasty fellow... Though it really did not show completely til book 5.

[RachMarie]

Colin as a PR also seems odd too. He was a 1st year and a bit of an annoyance to Harry in book 2.

[RachMarie]

2 JOATs though seems rather odd? I have never played in a game with 2 JOATS before have you CDB?

[RachMarie]

But how would you balance 2 JOATs they are pretty powerful PRs?


If they both are town then scum must have some serious power going on

[RachMarie]

I doubt both are scum After all why would they do that to themselves? More likely one is scum and one is actually town.

[RachMarie]

ehh I am starting to wonder... all these PR claims and soft claims.... There have to be VTs as well this is not role madness...

Someone is lying.

[RachMarie]

I mean of course besides the two that have flipped as Weasleys...

[RachMarie]

It is probably a modifier on one of the Mafia players duh. I have Lnnggrr as a town read.

fery yes I have been focusing a lot on setup because I am trying to figure which of our claimed/soft claimed PRs is lying scum instead of town.

need to look at some ISOs

[RachMarie]

I was already suspicious of both JOATs being town and of the two, Stubbs claim seemed more out there. On top of that he states he was role blocked? And he did not say who he targeted either.

I am not buying it.


VOTE: Stubbs

[RachMarie]

I also find the level of claims and partial claims a bit unbelievable in a game that is not role madness.

[RachMarie]

I do understand that, however they still have to be balanced. 2 JOATs, plus the other claims and so on seems awfully town sided.

[RachMarie]

yeah Lockhart was useless and even after he loses his memory he still spends time signing autographs for others so I definitely could see the mod picking fruit vendor.

I am thinking that all the PRs are "adult" characters. Which gives more credence to Stubbs being scum....

Has anyone ever played a game with a scum JOAT? I think I did a while back will see if I can find it. And a scum JOAT would make sense for balance with a town JOAT....

[RachMarie]

http://wiki.unknowableroom.org/Colin_Creevey here it includes a pic of him with his camera as he runs around bugging Harry lol.

[RachMarie]

ummm was that the hammer?

[RachMarie]

fery can you go poke Syr and get him to post ASAP before the thread gets locked....

[RachMarie]

I received a piece of fruit last night FYI

[RachMarie]

LOL I figured that out. As strange as this game is, I doubt there would be TWO claimed fruit vendors.

I feel pretty good that Nacho is probably town fery.

[RachMarie]

What that means though is:

1. Falcon is for sure town because iffen he is giving out fruit he is probably not killing our dear doc...

2. Falcon could still be scum, but was not doing the kill... I am going on the basis that we have a three person scum team and no SK. (singular night kills kinda give credence to not having a SK).

So it is more likely he is town, but not totally confirmed yet. In Author Mafia we DID have a mafia fruit vendor. We found him out because he was not able to give fruit AND do the night kill as well.

@ mod if a mafia PR ends up being the only one left, can he do both his or her PR as well as doing the killing?

[RachMarie]

Not saying he is totally confirmed town in my book, fery, but I have a good gut read on him atm.

[RachMarie]

bah Stubbs was most likely lying about the roleblock, Jason he was scum after all...

[RachMarie]

Still think Minions is scumz

Getting a bit concerned about Syr who said he was not going to replace out, then disappeared off the planet.... This is not like him to just flake out. However that is a much weaker read due to it could be RL issues and not his alignment.

but yeah Minions is scum...

[RachMarie]

ughhh right lol

Thats what I get for posting with a massive headache bah

(this is in addition to the toothache)

[RachMarie]

sorry all will be back tomorrow as if life had not done enough my net went down for several hours and it is now after 4 AM. bleh

Also when did I do that Nacho? I usually assume you are town early on then narrow you down later though until I am more confident you are town, I tend to take you with a fair pound of salt.

[RachMarie]

I am confused by all the math stuffs, what does it mean in terms of scum, null, town reads?

Nacho why so concerned with fery being a tad paranoid? I would think it would be understandable. You are a very good player who knows how to blend in well as scum, as well as being a very solid town player. Hence my comment about how I generally start out putting you in the town pile but take you with a grain of salt. I can understand her paranoia.

At this point though both of you are in my town pile.

I would like to hear from the replacement however.

I also feel pretty good about Jason as town.

[RachMarie]

I am wondering about the MSG who replaced Oriole IIRC Which is why I want to hear from the replacement. It was the top town read for the other scum. And since by process of elimination he was clearly not bussing

Leaning Scum
JasonWazza Town
RachMarie I know I am Town
Squilly Flipped Town confirmed.

Scum
N/A No names at all here.

That means his scum bud would be in either the town or null sections

Town
oriole (MSG) Probably scum
Fegelein (Falcon) leaning town read for me though I have seen a Mafia fruit vendor before the fact there was a kill makes me think town.

Leaning Town
ChannelDelibird Flipped Conf town
fferyllt probably town
LnGrrrR Flilled Conf town

Null
Syryana (Nacho) meh probably town though keeping an eye on him as always
penguin_alien probably town
Toomai Need to look at his ISO
Amrun weak town read.


I hope that makes it clearer

[RachMarie]

EBWOP Flipped not Flilled

[RachMarie]

yes after all he had no scum pile and his leaning scum pile is townies. Not everyone busses.

[RachMarie]

WB Amrun what do you think of the Oriole/MSG/Jacob slot?

[RachMarie]

at Mod could we have an updated VC?

Yes Nacho I am looking at Toomai and the Oriole/MSG/Jacob slot.

If needed will switch over to Toomai to help prevent a NL, though I think Jacob is more likely to be scum of the two.



fery why are you so sold on both of them being town? Who do you think is scum then?


Amrun why Toomai over Jacob?

[RachMarie]

ohhh thought you thought both toomai and Jacob were town, my bad.

[RachMarie]

That is one of the reasons I am still a tad unsure of Nacho, he replaced Syr and Stubbs self hammered right after fery said she wanted to wait to hear from Syr.

I am left with, did he self hammer right then to prevent us a chance from hearing from Syr because Syr was his buddy, or because he was afraid Syr would say somehing that would show who the buddy was? Or was it just meant to be WIFOM so we suspect Syr?

[RachMarie]

I am so cofused here? Basilisk or not scum is scum and that both of them are mafia not 3rd party most likely.

So yeah

INTENT TO HAMMER TOOMAI

However I will give peeps a chance to post last reads, thoughts etc... And for Toomai to post any last defense etc. Since already claimed VT.

[RachMarie]

Has everyone had a chance to speak?

His list is not exactly very comforting to me. After all only two true town reads he has are the two PRs who are pretty much agreed upon by everyone. As for the rest of the names he leaves 3 of them open for possible switch to as scum, plus 3 names as scum....

[RachMarie]

don't take too long we have about a day and change left.

[RachMarie]

bleh maybe a PA/Toomai team after all....

Why did you switch off of Toomai right after he voted for you PA?

[RachMarie]

Umm Toomai was scum in that game if you see similar posting here how does that make it town here instead of scum?

[RachMarie]

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=31030 this is the game on the link scum game that Falcon posted. Dude is scum in this game the Mafia Encryptor.

[RachMarie]

Since your comments were about the scum game that just finished, I figured that was what you meant by same as.

[RachMarie]

I can definitely see a resemblance tween that scum game and here.

[RachMarie]

ok I misunderstood, I thought you were saying he was scum Falcon and that PA misunderstood you.

I already thought Toomai was scum based on his game here before you shared the links.

[RachMarie]

PA NS, his son, and I have all been sick off and on for the past several weeks, plus I had a bad knee injury and severe tooth pain which resulted in a dentist removing 2 teeth (one whole, one partially gone).

[RachMarie]

Righto, D1 votes.

Player	Game start	StubbsKVM claim (257)	JW claim (306)	LnGrrrR claim (409)	Final vote
Syryana	LnGrrrR (2), JW (3), StubbsKVM (3)	JW (4)	unvote	MSG (1), Marquis (4)	Marquis (4)
penguin_alien	Amrun (1), Marquis (1), unvote , StubbsKVM (6)	JW (2)	unvote	StubbsKVM (3)	StubbsKVM (2)
fferyllt	StubbsKVM (4)	unvote	JW (6)	unvote	[no vote]
JasonWazza	Amrun (3)				Amrun (1)
StubbsKVM	Marquis (4)				Marquis (2)
Amrun	CDb (1), Marquis (3), MSG (1), LnGrrrR (2), StubbsKVM (2)	LnGrrrR (1)			LnGrrrR (1)
LnGrrrR	RM (1), Marquis (2)	JW (5)	unvote , Marquis (4)	StubbsKVM (1), unvote , Marquis (6)	Marquis (6)
Toomai	LnGrrrR (1), Marquis (3), JW (2)	Marquis (4)			Marquis (3)
MSG	Amrun (3), unvote			Marquis (5), StubbsKVM (1)	StubbsKVM (1)
F-16_Fighting_Falcon	JW (1), StubbsKVM (5)	JW (2)		StubbsKVM (2), unvote , Marquis (7)	Marquis (7)
RachMarie	Marquis (4)				Marquis (1)
Marquis	Toomai (1), Amrun (4), CDb (2), Amrun (4), RM (1)			LnGrrrR (3), unvote , JW (2)	JW (1)
ChannelDelibird	Amrun (2), LnGrrrR (3), StubbsKVM (1)	unvote , LnGrrrR (2), JW (3)	LnGrrrR (2)	Marquis (5)	Marquis (5)

Columns named by event that started them; last column shows final votes, not vote changes. Random votes counted. unvotes noted. Wagon positions noted.

dead

,

conf-town

,

self-conf-town

What I see when I look at this:

• Three people (JW, Stubbs, and RM) never changed their votes throughout the day. JW claims he scumread Amrun, but still needs to explain why. Stubbs confirmed his vote once throughout the day with 242; RM kinda did with 264.
  
• fferyllt is the only person to not vote for Squilly/Marquis at some point, aside from JW.
  
• Something's bugging me about how Syryana's votes on the two claiming wagons and the lynching wagon are all in about the same place (midpoint/just before midpoint).

271 where he says Jason has been more helpful doesn't sit right either. Jason had not done anything up until that point other than promise reads.

That was my point. I felt Marquis had done less than promise reads.

How so? Marquis had at that point provided reads and explained her read on Rach in 222.

That was one very specific meta note. Aside from that he had posted two one-liner reads ("Rach is scum", "Feg is probably scum") with no promise of explanation.

Like this a nice handy chart that makes him look at towny

[RachMarie]

err EBWOP ALL towny not at towny

[RachMarie]

Could scum have a one shot redirector or somethin? I iz confuzed????

Why Falcon?

[RachMarie]

Waiting.......

[RachMarie]

Jacob is high on my scum list, especially since I am now more sure that Nacho is town.

Why are peeps mass claiming when it is not LYLO?

[RachMarie]

PA how can you be so sure that all our PRs are out?

Let us not set anything in stone ok?

Bad enough we have so many already claimed.


Meanwhile

a vote


VOTE: JacobSavage

feel pretty good about this one being scum...

[RachMarie]

AS for Nacho's claim, the flavor fits, even though Dobby did a lot to make Harry's life miserable, it was all done in an effort to save him and with the best of intentions. And Dobby was good at snooping being a house elf. Also makes sense for some of the characters NOT to be human. Since as the books go on, we meet more and more non human characters.

[RachMarie]

Jacob either make a case and vote for Amrun or move on. This back and forth is not helping us find scum.

[RachMarie]

yeah the whole non committal kinda of side attack is not impressing me

happy with where my vote is.

[RachMarie]

Fine great

I am a big fat spider (Aragog) and I am a Hogwarts aligned tracker. I thought at first I was a watcher (misread the role PM lol) So I put in watch Lnnnggrr dude since I figured the scum would kill him based on his claim... Which was why I was so totally confused on D 2 when someone ELSE was killed. Since I was actually a tracker not a watcher, I saw dude go to JW and doc protect him. Which gave me a good feeling about both of them being town which I stated on D 2 in my reads...

Night 2

Tracked Nacho he went nowhere, and I got a piece of fruit (spiders don't eat fruit )


Night 3

Tracked Nacho again to PA


I think Nacho is the real deal here guys.

I did not want to claim because from what I can see, as a tracker, I am the strongest PR here. grrr

Anyways

Its not Nacho
Its not PA
Its not JW
Its not me


Now I will take my leave of you and go back to my nice dark corner in the Forbidden Forest dreading the evil Basilisk....

I still say Jacob is scum.

BTW had we mislynched today we would be in LYLO tomorrow not today unless there is more scum than we thought...

[RachMarie]

what?

How?

sigh all I wanted to do was catch the scum in the act

[RachMarie]

That mean you forgive me for thinking you might be scum Nacho?

I was going to claim tomorrow anyways since tomorrow would be LYLO

(based on the standard 3 scum 10 town in a Mini)

[RachMarie]

Big fat spiders are always so misunderstood only Hagrid "gets me"...

[RachMarie]

yes lol

and yes that was a crumb

[RachMarie]

Please read the rules next time. It's not difficult.

[RachMarie]

whoops it was the other way

N2 I followed Nacho and got nothing

N3 I followed Nacho and he went to PA but did not kill PA

uggh

I am so sorry peeps I should have realized that Nacho was scum But I was all hooked up on the fact he visited PA and did not kill PA

bah so fery did all the killin save for the last night

[RachMarie]

I was trying to hold off claiming til LYLO actually

I was going to track fery but realized I would probably die anyways sigh once I claimed, since other than JOAT, I was the strongest town PR.

It ain't easy being big fat and hairy with 8 legs

[RachMarie]

yep most of them were new ones...


YAY cant wait for number 3 ♥

[RachMarie]

what are the odds of me getting a THIRD PR meh lol

A town Lover in 1

town tracker in 2

??????? in 3 We will see

[RachMarie]

yeah esp the bork game lol

that one was LONG

wow Nacho great job of turning it around. I really thought because you visited PA on N 3 and had gone nowhere on N2 that you were town bah...