Mini 1492: Harry Potter and the Chamber of Secrets GAME OVER

[Toomai]

Vote: LnGrrrR

Because RrrnGrrLrrGrrrrRnnnnRlllllRrrrrrGnnnnnLrrrrG.

[Toomai]

Vote: Squilly

Has voted three times, last vote was the only one with a reason (even a joking RVS reason), and said reason is...strange.

[Toomai]

Toomai, why is voting three times scummy?

I didn't (intend to) say that, I said that only one of the three votes has a reason.

[Toomai]

I totally don't see what the Amrun wagon is for.

[Toomai]

Vote: JasonWazza

His posts consist as follows:

1. Random vote.
   
2. VOTE: is scum.
   
3. You're inconsistent.
   
4. You're parroting.
   
5. VOTE: is scum. You're inconsistent.
   
6. Filler?
   
7. VOTE: is scum (implied).
   
8. VOTE: is scum.

Give us something real.

[Toomai]

Are you planning on telling us why you have scumread instead of just yammering on that you have one?

[Toomai]

I'm having a look for passive voice in LnnnGrrrR's town game here:

Really what is the point in this? Seems like nothing more than a distraction.

[Toomai]

I really want to post but I have nothing to contribute. I have weak, aggregate reads on four players and doubt the correctness of all of them.

[Toomai]

I really want to post but I have nothing to contribute. I have weak, aggregate reads on four players and doubt the correctness of all of them.

Which four players? Why do you have the reads you have on those players?

JasonWazza: Slightly scummy because of what he's done so far (i.e. nothing but claim that he has a scumread and that he'll elaborate later). To be honest I feel like I should consider him null until he actually elaborates, but I feel his attitude about it (especially early on) is anti-town at best.
LnGrrrR: Slightly town because...don't know to be honest, it's mostly an aggregate of extremely slightly town posts.
Fegelein: Slightly town for the same reason as LnGrrrR (i.e. basically gut).
Squilly: Currently of the opinion he's newbietown, since I think someone with claimed offline experience would put a bit more work into learning how to be town online.

[Toomai]

I really want to post but I have nothing to contribute. I have weak, aggregate reads on four players and doubt the correctness of all of them.

Which four players? Why do you have the reads you have on those players?

JasonWazza: Slightly scummy because of what he's done so far (i.e. nothing but claim that he has a scumread and that he'll elaborate later). To be honest I feel like I should consider him null until he actually elaborates, but I feel his attitude about it (especially early on) is anti-town at best.
LnGrrrR: Slightly town because...don't know to be honest, it's mostly an aggregate of extremely slightly town posts.
Fegelein: Slightly town for the same reason as LnGrrrR (i.e. basically gut).
Squilly: Currently of the opinion he's newbietown, since I think someone with claimed offline experience would put a bit more work into learning how to be town online.

Don't have any reads on anyone else?

Nope. Everyone else is pure null or like 1% away from pure null.

[Toomai]

Hoping something happens because I don't know how to make things happen.

[Toomai]

It's all on the wiki page.

Short version: Finished four games, was VT in all of them, felt like dead weight for about the first half of the game in all of them.

[Toomai]

I like the case on Stubbs, I'll think about it more while

I'm on V/LA for today

.

[Toomai]

I really want to post but I have nothing to contribute. I have weak, aggregate reads on four players and doubt the correctness of all of them.

Which four players? Why do you have the reads you have on those players?

JasonWazza: Slightly scummy because of what he's done so far (i.e. nothing but claim that he has a scumread and that he'll elaborate later). To be honest I feel like I should consider him null until he actually elaborates, but I feel his attitude about it (especially early on) is anti-town at best.
LnGrrrR: Slightly town because...don't know to be honest, it's mostly an aggregate of extremely slightly town posts.
Fegelein: Slightly town for the same reason as LnGrrrR (i.e. basically gut).
Squilly: Currently of the opinion he's newbietown, since I think someone with claimed offline experience would put a bit more work into learning how to be town online.

Easy reads apart fom maybe LnGrrrR. Also, how can something be extremely slightly? That doesn't make any sense.

I use numbers to quantify my reads on posts and players. "Extremely slighty" means my read on a post/player is basically null but with one or two points towards town or scum.

I like the case on Stubbs, I'll think about it more while

I'm on V/LA for today

.

Lazy.

Lazy? Yeah probably, but I didn't exactly have time to look anything over in depth while I was packing up for a four-hour drive.

Now that that's over, I can say for sure that yeah Stubbs is pretty scummy. The case in 200 currently has me convinced; 157 in particular stands out to me as awful. But I won't be voting him until he can reply to all this.

[Toomai]

Not sure what to make of Stubbs' reaction. He's right about Marquis doing just about nothing but a meta read and an unexplained read, but I'm not sure how putting together a reads list helps one get into a game.

I'm a bit weirded out by Jason's behaviour. My first game ever on this site, Jason was the one who was forcing everybody else to participate. The fact that he refuses to do so now, could mean he's scum, but it could also mean he's onto something with Amrun, as he claims.

This however looks like just fencesitting.

[Toomai]

Vote: Marquis

Frankly I feel JW has been more helpful.

[Toomai]

How has Jason been more helpful?

At least he promised to explain his antics. He shouldn't be given a pass until he does, but Marquis has the bigger wagon right now, and the deadline's in two days.

[Toomai]

Holy cow dat wagon speed.

LEGENDARY, GLORIOUS, MAGNIFICENT CATCHUP POST!

UNVOTE:
VOTE: JasonWazza

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I know you gave your reasons before but this still feels a bit non-sequitur.

To be honest though, while I don't like how fast the wagon piled up, there is a deadline within a day, and it's not like he wasn't a lynch candidate before.

If JW doesn't deliver the goods in his next post, I'll hammer.

[Toomai]

I am Argus Filch, JoAT just like stubbs claims to be.

Follower, Reporter, Voyeur.

Given that this is pretty weak overall, and fits in flavour, I'm inclined to believe it.

Still don't like how he's yet to explain anything but I'm keeping my vote on Marquis.

[Toomai]

Yeah the more I turn it over the more I think the Creevy claim doesn't fit. Not lynching it today though.

[Toomai]

Lngrr is still "pressure voting." Kill with fire.

Why is "pressure voting" a problem?

[Toomai]

If no one comes in to vote Marquis, then I will claim to move people off my wagon to prevent a no-lynch.

That's basically a softclaim right there, saying that your role is good enough to not lynch. If you were VT people would have no added incentive to get off your wagon.

[Toomai]

I will share who I protected after everyone checks in.

Why would you wait? Why does it matter?

Wait a second, the mod told you that you were blocked?

Well he claimed a JOAT with a Cop part, so if he got no result he'd know he was blocked.

It should be said however that this is a pretty easy way to hold up a fakeclaim. (I doubt the Stubbs claim more than the other claims at this stage.)

[Toomai]

Here is what I don't get... If Stubbs was roleblocked, why weren't Jason or I killed? Scum trying to introduce WIFOM and have town mislynch? Just throws me off.

Yeah this is rather suspicious. Leaving both claimed JOATs alive for the mindgames isn't hard to believe, but the uncountered 1-shot Doctor is somewhat. Maybe they were fishing for an unclaimed PR? That would presume that both JOAT claims are town, which I currently don't think is likely.

[Toomai]

124 is terrible where he asks ffery what the point is of having a look for passive voice in lngrrrR's town game. I think it is fairly obvious: if LngrrrR generally uses passive voice as town, then it becomes a null tell. LngrrrR was also the hot topic for discussion at the time, so checking up his meta is hardly a distraction.

The whole "passive voice" argument seemed like pointless, pedantic garbage to me and went on way too long.

The amount of null reads he has in 181 is troubling coupled with no attempt at developing any reads. 183 is just hoping someone else makes things happen. I really don't like 186 - pre-emptively justifying why he is dead weight in this game by referring to his other games. If he was dead weight before, makes no sense to not try and improve.

You think I'm not trying to get reads or improve at playing? I sit here for probably half an hour per post trying to come up with questions and reads, and come up with pointless headaches instead. I am a bad player and will probably stay that way for several years whether I try to improve or not. That does not mean I am scum; that means I am a policy lynch.

271 where he says Jason has been more helpful doesn't sit right either. Jason had not done anything up until that point other than promise reads.

That was my point. I felt Marquis had done less than promise reads.

Please do something.

I'll do a votecount analysis or something. At least I'm capable of that.

[Toomai]

Righto, D1 votes.

Player	Game start	StubbsKVM claim (257)	JW claim (306)	LnGrrrR claim (409)	Final vote
Syryana	LnGrrrR (2), JW (3), StubbsKVM (3)	JW (4)	unvote	MSG (1), Marquis (4)	Marquis (4)
penguin_alien	Amrun (1), Marquis (1), unvote , StubbsKVM (6)	JW (2)	unvote	StubbsKVM (3)	StubbsKVM (2)
fferyllt	StubbsKVM (4)	unvote	JW (6)	unvote	[no vote]
JasonWazza	Amrun (3)				Amrun (1)
StubbsKVM	Marquis (4)				Marquis (2)
Amrun	CDb (1), Marquis (3), MSG (1), LnGrrrR (2), StubbsKVM (2)	LnGrrrR (1)			LnGrrrR (1)
LnGrrrR	RM (1), Marquis (2)	JW (5)	unvote , Marquis (4)	StubbsKVM (1), unvote , Marquis (6)	Marquis (6)
Toomai	LnGrrrR (1), Marquis (3), JW (2)	Marquis (4)			Marquis (3)
MSG	Amrun (3), unvote			Marquis (5), StubbsKVM (1)	StubbsKVM (1)
F-16_Fighting_Falcon	JW (1), StubbsKVM (5)	JW (2)		StubbsKVM (2), unvote , Marquis (7)	Marquis (7)
RachMarie	Marquis (4)				Marquis (1)
Marquis	Toomai (1), Amrun (4), CDb (2), Amrun (4), RM (1)			LnGrrrR (3), unvote , JW (2)	JW (1)
ChannelDelibird	Amrun (2), LnGrrrR (3), StubbsKVM (1)	unvote , LnGrrrR (2), JW (3)	LnGrrrR (2)	Marquis (5)	Marquis (5)

Columns named by event that started them; last column shows final votes, not vote changes. Random votes counted. unvotes noted. Wagon positions noted.

dead

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conf-town

,

self-conf-town

What I see when I look at this:

• Three people (JW, Stubbs, and RM) never changed their votes throughout the day. JW claims he scumread Amrun, but still needs to explain why. Stubbs confirmed his vote once throughout the day with 242; RM kinda did with 264.
  
• fferyllt is the only person to not vote for Squilly/Marquis at some point, aside from JW.
  
• Something's bugging me about how Syryana's votes on the two claiming wagons and the lynching wagon are all in about the same place (midpoint/just before midpoint).

271 where he says Jason has been more helpful doesn't sit right either. Jason had not done anything up until that point other than promise reads.

That was my point. I felt Marquis had done less than promise reads.

How so? Marquis had at that point provided reads and explained her read on Rach in 222.

That was one very specific meta note. Aside from that he had posted two one-liner reads ("Rach is scum", "Feg is probably scum") with no promise of explanation.

[Toomai]

I don't think we should out this info, but you should see if you can self-protect with the doc shot.

Yeah like that's ever allowed.

Toomai, can you give more reads along with the numbers? Do you have a list/chart of players and your reads?

Syryana:

-3%

(when I think without checking, I can't think of anything significant that's been done)
penguin_alien:

1%

(basically null)
fferyllt:

-1%

(basically null)
JasonWazza:

18%

(claim is fine but hasn't been cooperative in giving that one read on Amrun)
StubbsKVM:

-6%

(disbelieve this claim the most flavour-wise, and hasn't really done much since)
Amrun:

-2%

(basically null)
LnGrrrR:

61%

(I believe this claim the most of all three given ones, and even without that he's doing the right things)
MSG:

0%

(purely null)
F-16_Fighting_Falcon:

9%

(has been doing the right things throughout the game)
RachMarie:

1%

(basically null)

[Toomai]

Hey Jason, why don't you explain your scum read on Amrun?

Yeah if I don't see this in his next post I'll vote too.

So many lurkers.

[Toomai]

I also find the level of claims and partial claims a bit unbelievable in a game that is not role madness.

Theme games are often a bit more power-heavy than normal games.

I know I said I was going to vote JW, but the Stubbs claim seems wronger and wronger the more I think about it. It just doesn't fit, not in flavour nor with LnGrrrR's claim (which is much more believable). Besides, even though JW is being unhelpful, his claim is still reasonably believable.

Vote: StubbsKVM

[Toomai]

My opinion on FFF's Lockhart claim: reasonable despite fruit not being in-flavour. Having a Fruit Vendor also backs up the observation nature of JW's JOAT abilities, so as I see it they both get bonus beliveability points.

[Toomai]

Fruit vendor plus one-shot doc that may only stump rather than save plus weak JOAT =/= strong JOAT. And the fruit vendor fits as a negative utility town role.

UNVOTE: MSG

Intent to vote for Stubbs pending his checking in here.

I don't get this post. What do you mean by saying that three weaker claimed roles "is not equal to" one stronger claimed role? How is Fruit Vendor negative utility? Why would you need to declare intent to vote to L-2?

[Toomai]

Well my reads update is that JW and FFF are town due to claims and everyone else is in a big pile of cluelessness.

I guess I'll wait for Nachomamma8 to get caught up.

[Toomai]

Toomai, can you provide an updated graph and explain how you developed the reads you did for each player in detail.

I'm not entirely sure what you want by "explain how you developed the reads you did for each player in detail". The basic gist is that as I read I assign each post a series of numbers based on how much my reads for each player have changed due to that post.

If you have questions about specific raises and drops, you can point them out.

[Toomai]

1) How is Amrun in negative numbers? You have her as slightly below zero. Stubbs scumflip doesn't seem to have changed anything.

2) What is your reasoning for Penguin progressively becoming scummier and scummier after 570 or so until the end of your graph? I am interested in hearing your reasoning for that.

My third question seemed redundant. What I wanted was your reads on other players in english.

1. I agreed with 36 (-2). I agreed with 85 and 203 (+2). I didn't like 266 or 385 (-2). I agreed with 575 (+1).
   No other posts have changed my opinion of that slot.
   The Stubbs flip didn't change anything (about this slot) because I don't know why it would change anything.
2. I liked 510 (+1). I agreed with 549 and 566 (-2). I didn't like 611 or 637 (-3).
3. Town
   : FFF, JW
   
   Weak Town
   : MSG
   
   Null
   : Nm8, ffll, Amr, RM
   
   Weak Scum
   : p_a

In that game, he was willing to call out logic he didn't agree with, push a top suspect very strongly, and when he was lost, had the knowledge to follow players he trusted.

Claiming I successfully did any of this in any game is riotous, but okay I'll go with it - I see no logic issues or have any true top suspects in this game, hence why none of that is getting done.

[Toomai]

Toomai, I am worried that regardless of your affiliation, you are not actually reading the game as a whole but as individual posts.

Maybe after twenty or thirty more games I can learn how to do that.

[Toomai]

Alright I'm done with this badgering. Full reread coming up.

[Toomai]

Toomai: when Stubbs flipped scum, what did you think?

Probably something like "Okay, so JW has to be legit, and maybe Stubbs claimed town-JOAT to match his scum-JOAT because he suspected a detector".

Finished reread.

• Nachomamma8: unchanged, still null
  
• penguin_alien: weak nullscum → weak nulltown
  
• fferyllt: weak nulltown → weak town
  
• JasonWazza: unchanged, still town
  
• Amrun: weak nulltown → townish
  
• MSG: weak nulltown → weak nullscum
  
• FFF: unchanged, still town
  
• RM: unchanged, still weak nulltown

So yeah not really the best use of my time. That said, MSG is the most interesting bit here; I was starting to suspect that slot as a Stubbs partner, but recent posts by various people have been chipping away at that.

[Toomai]

why some of these reads changed?

I don't think I can really explain it other than reading different posts as different things given the hindsight of the known claims and flips.

[Toomai]

Toomai, can you explain your reads? Why is someone null or town or scum. What are the reasons that you found their posts townish or scummy?

Well alright I'll slap together a big-o list.

FFF and JW are town by default because I believe the claims.

Amrun I have as townish upon reread because of the Stubbs stuff as well as other things. Specifically:

• 28 (+1%) Raises valid point
  
• 31 (+1%) Poking someone who showed up without much comment
  
• 37 (-1%) Pointless filler
  
• 51 (-1%) The whole "passive voice" argument I never cared for
  
• 56 (+1%) Good question, sensible answers
  
• 72 (+1%) Telling JW to get on with it
  
• 121 (+1%) Getting rid of the bad argument and spelling out the better one
  
• 138 (+1%) Just agreement with the post in general
  
• 182 (+1%) Calls me out for being bad
  
• 203 (+1%) The additional point
  
• 205 (+1%) Pointing out the suspicious timeline
  
• 268 (+1%) "idiocy != scum" is always a townish thing to remind people of
  
• 342 (+1%) Same as previous basically
  
• 394 (+1%) WAFFLES; also point makes sense
  
• 570 (+2%) Entire post is just town
  
• 575 (+1%) Sensible reasoning
  
• 576 (+1%) Same as previous
  
• 595 (+1%) Decent point raised
  
• Result:
  +15%

fferyllt I have as weaker town because:

• 81 (+1%) Liked question.
  
• 120 (-1%) "passive voice" report
  
• 130 (+1%) Decent enough questions
  
• 140 (+1%) Also a good question
  
• 160 (+1%) The callout of reads without reasons
  
• 162 (+1%) Same as above
  
• 171 (+1%) Also same as above
  
• 247 (+1%) Okay with this reasoning
  
• 282 (+1%) Totally understandable sentiment
  
• 423 (+1%) Reaction upon reading was "Indeed.", caught onto something that make little sense
  
• 549 (+1%) Case generally agreed with.
  
• 726 (-1%) Really sticks out to me as something that doesn't need to be said by town
  
• 779 (+1%) Reasonable results from meta investigation
  
• Result:
  +9%

I'll continue when I have more time tomorrow.

[Toomai]

Well I got blammed and had no free time, so I'll try again to finish the rest of the players shortly. Wanted to respond to this though:

Toomai's latest list of individual posts and his reactions to them--some of it revolves around people pointing things out. Some of it's approving of the content of posts, but there's no personal investment there. Such as saying something is sensible, or reasonable--scum are rarely gibbering idiots; scum can be reasonable and sensible and make good points. His reads aren't based on alignment-indicative things from what I can tell. In the above list, his negatives are for filler (if it's coming from town) and an argument he doesn't like. Not one that he's refuting or pointing out problems with--he just doesn't like it. And nearly everything is weighted the same, except the one Amrun post that's 'just town' with no further qualifiers.

My general rationale is that, while scum can (and do) make rational and sensible posts, in the long run town should make more of them overall. Townies want to find new points of view, holes in arguments, links, and the like; scum only really want to find as many as necessary to look town and avoid bringing the more dissonant ones to the forefront. There's not much negative with what I've done so far because they were both comparatively strong town reads.

[Toomai]

Okay going to try and get this finished now.

Nachomamma8/Syryana:

• 163 (-1%) Vote with no reason. JW did have 2 votes at the time, but neither were recent.
  
• 165 (+1%) Explained previous vote with same reasons I had.
  
• 193 (+1%) Looks like town questioning.
  
• 298 (-3%) I said it in 304 - "catchup post" that followed the leading wagon with nothing else.
  
• 376 (+1%) It strikes me as unlikely that scum would admit to not knowing who they want to vote for.
  
• 437 (+1%) After having reread, these reads mostly match what my own (re-evaluated) reads are as of this post.
  
• No post since then has stood out to me as net towny or net scummy. If anything, most of Nacho's posts are swingy-null (as opposed to static-null).
  
• Result:
  0%

penguin_alien:

• 24 (+1%) It could still be RVS at this point; scum would probably want to continue that instead of asking this question.
  
• 190 (+1%) Similar question as 24, in a way.
  
• 538 (+1%) I agreed with the MSG sentiment.
  
• 549 (-1%) I liked this case on p_a.
  
• 566 (-1%) This one too, despite focusing on a post I previously agreed with.
  
• 719 (+1%) I like the line of thinking in here.
  
• 802 (+1%) I'm not sure I agree with it, but this thinking is also reasonable.
  
• Result:
  +3%

MSG/oriole:

• 23 (-1%) Okay it's RVS, but this didn't look RVS-y and lacked reasoning.
  
• 25 (+1%) Reasoning was then given here.
  
• 28 (-1%) ...and then it was pointed out here that he only answered half the question.
  
• 321 (+1%) Don't think scum would try to ruin a buddy's fakeclaim this early.
  
• 381 (-1%) Don't really like the "have my doubts" part. Gut I guess.
  
• 437 (-1%) Calls out 433. I didn't have a problem with it originally, but seeing it spelled out here changed my mind.
  
• 509 (-1%) Brought up the "how do you know you were blocked" question again, after it had died down somewhat. I don't see how that helps.
  
• 530 (-1%) This just bugs me, I don't know why. Unnecessary post at best.
  
• 596 (-1%) Stubbs didn't really ignore the questions in my opinion.
  
• 653 (+1%) I might have asked this question too.
  
• 742 (+3%) Towncasepost. I can't find anything significant wrong with it.
  
• Result:
  -1%

RachMarie:

• 47 (+1%) I agreed with this.
  
• 99 (-1%) This post is a fat lot of nothing. Okay, "been sick", but I think the post might have actually been better if "been sick, more later" was its only content, instead of filling it up with filler.
  
• 161 (+1%) Asked question about at-the-time baseless read.
  
• 264 (+1%) Poking of Marquis to actually do something.
  
• 355 (+1%) Flavour counter-evidence. Not sure why scum would bring it up at this point.
  
• 480 (-1%) I feel this is an "Obvious much?" post. I.e. filler.
  
• 603 (+1%) Setup speculation, but positively. Raising Stubbs as potential scum-JOAT made his claim look kind of worse in my opinion.
  
• 689 (-1%) This speculation however rubs me the wrong way. Not entirely sure why.
  
• Result:
  +2%

[Toomai]

Why is a vote with no reasoning more likely to come from scum? Is this coming from your experience with scum voting for no reason?
How is 193 town questioning? What about the questions made them more likely to come from town?
How so? You seem to read Penguin as slight town, me as town, and if you are town, it should be obvious that he is wrong.

At best voting without a reason is anti-town. Note that whenever a reason was shortly provided I undid the negative change.
"Why isn't Jason interesting?" "Why should I vote Stubbs over Jason?" Stuff like that. Scum generally does not care as much when town is squablling with each other.
I don't understand what #3 here is referring to.

In your graph in post 739, you have Penguin Alien as the scummiest player in the game. In 757, you have Penguin as weak-scum (your only scumread). In 778, she changes to weak null-town. The only post she had made in between that change of reads is 771. So, this must have been the post that changed your read. Why not comment on it? Also, what about that post changed your read from a weak scumread to a weak townread?

Between 772 and 778 I did a total reread of the game, dropping (but archiving) all my previous reads. 771 did not change anything aside from convincing me I should reread.

Syryana called out MSG because he was voting on flavor i.e. he was voting based on which claims he bought and which claims he didn't buy. Why is this scummy? So far, you have two strong townreads and they are both based on claims to the point that you did no behavioral analysis. It follows that you consider claims to be of at least significance importance. Why do you agree with an argument claiming that voting based on flavor is bad?

It was still Day 1 at the time, and it's my feeing that only the totally ridiculous PR claims should be lynched D1. Stubbs's claim was only farfetched, not ridiculous, and there were arguments about power vs. flavour that made it less appealing to poke.

If anything, most of Nacho's posts are swingy-null (as opposed to static-null).

Break them down, then. What are the your scumleans/townleans in my individual posts?

I'll see if I can try this later.

I am confused by all the math stuffs, what does it mean in terms of scum, null, town reads?

The general gist is: Positive numbers are town, negative numbers are scum, numbers near 0 (say within 1 or maybe 2) are null. But can also be interpreted relatively; if I read everyone as positive (town), whoever's the least positive would be scum. Using "%" as a unit is kind of arbitrary.

[Toomai]

Not gonna lie I've currently lost most interest in this game, pending that replacement. If it wasn't MSG I would be voting him just for being my bottomest read with 5-ish days in the deadline.

[Toomai]

If you think I'm a good flip, then go ahead, I'm kind of a distractional detriment to town right now.

[Toomai]

give up

I'm not giving up. I'm saying that if the purpose of my lynch is for information, then I'm fine with that and won't bother wasting time defending against it.

[Toomai]

Nacho, ffery thoughts on Toomai's deathwish?

Yeah because I totally implied that I

want

to be lynched. [/arcasmsay]

His content contains almost exclusively excuses, and his behavior is really strange around the Stubbs lynch and subsequent flip.

I'm more tired of the excuses than you are. In my five previously completed games I have had at least a gut feeling of who is scum throughout the game. This game has had no such luck; I currently have no true scumreads, and since the vast majority of discussion lately has been about me (and understandably so), I have no way to get any.

[Toomai]

Is there a reason why you are playing differently here in that respect?

I don't know how to "play differently". I don't even know how I'm playing right now. As far as I'm aware I've been playing the same in all my games.

I can't respond to Amrun's case because it's all correct. The end conclusion of "Toomai is scum" is wrong, but the contents are all 100% correct and there's nothing I can argue about without looking worse.

[Toomai]

Claim: Justin Finch-Flinch-Fidget-Finagle-Flap-Flack-Flutter-Flip-Fletchley, VT

Nobody likes Hufflepuffs.

It occured to me that the Basilisk may be undetectable, given how it moves through the walls and no one's any the wiser. So penguin_alien might not actually be cleared as it.

[Toomai]

Toomai, who do you think scum is? And not who has the lowest percentage reading at the moment; evaluating everything, what are your scum reads?

Won't lynch:

• FFF
• JW

Unconvinced either way:

• Amrun
• fferyllt
• RM

Okay with lynching:

• p_a
• Nacho
• JS

Is the name posted in your role PM the way you said it or are you just posting it for fun?

No I'm messing around.

[Toomai]

A scum game of Toomai just finished. Will post more when I finish reading.

[analysis of the above]

FYI this was the first time I replaced into a game, so I don't know what you expect to find that isn't ambiguous as to whether it's "scumgame" or "replacegame".

JacobSavage has done squat-all since he came in, and I might at well put some sort of vote down before I get lynched.

Vote: JacobSavage

[Toomai]

Penguin who is the only counterwagon

Wait penguin_alien has two votes? Should go there instead.

Vote: penguin_alien