Mini 1492: Harry Potter and the Chamber of Secrets GAME OVER

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G'day.

What timezone is that?

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not having played here before, I don't know if it's common to have 1 or more jack-of-all-trades roles but it's not what I'm used to. if I had to choose I would say the claimed role of Filch is a better fit for the character flavour. "1-shot roleblock, 1-shot doc and 1-shot cop" doesn't reconcile that well with the character of Colin Creevey

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*waves*

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Ok so why LnnGrrR then?

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Gee thanks, that's really helpful. I don't suppose you'd humour the new guy and detail your case just a bit? I did read all thirteen pages, FYI...

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Ok. I didn't say it was surprising but I don't yet see it.

What do you think of fferylt?

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I'm keeping my powder dry until I work out the players a but more. Fferylt is the only player I do know and I noticed that her early posts were quite tentative. Like post 81. Town fferylt is very activist in my experience, whereas as scum she can take a bit to find her feet.

JasonWazza looks the most objectively scummy though, based on (what I saw as) his evasive responses.

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I'm answer to Jason: doesn't calling your posts evasive kind of speak for itself?

Anyway it's late at night here and posting on this phone is painful so I might save any more thoughts for tomorrow.

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Sorry, was busy yesterday and did not get on.

Also not comfortable with cutting out 2 questionable outs under vote pressure when there's only 13 in the game.

But it's day 1, and we need to do something.

VOTE: marquis

still don't much like JW's play and have my doubts about ffery and syry.

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Marquis is town btw.

how do you reach this conclusion?

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possibly, but I would prefer to invoke guapo's rule

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indeed I did note that

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well I'm conflicted. 3 claimed town power roles is not credible, but in order to sort them out:

JasonWazza: Argus Filch
Not a likeable character, but always acted to protect Hogwarts, but sometimes in misguided ways, and the role powers fit. Might make sense as a town traitor.

StubbsKVM: Colin Creevey
An important character in this novel but the role powers "I have a 1-shot roleblock, 1-shot doc and 1-shot cop at my disposal" - don't fit, and no further explanation was provided.

LnnGrrrR: nearly Headless Nick
The alignment and role powers look like a good fit to the story.

On that basis:
UNVOTE:
VOTE: StubbsKVM

I remain to be convinced otherwise.

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Peeves was a poltergeist

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MSG, you around?

yep. what are your thoughts?

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F16, have a look at CDB's post 445 and at fferylt's voting pattern and see if it makes you scratch your chin

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she only voted twice in the day and managed to avoid having a vote on at the end of d1.

cdb suggested the basilisk should be mafia, not SK (which makes sense to me,) but would need some mechanism to be released

it struck me the 2 things could be connected

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what do you think of CDB's theory about the basilisk?

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StubbsKVM, how do you know you were role-blocked?

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@Toomai, I would rather you ask BAD questions, or make BAD observations, than do neither.

*takes comfort in this*

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hey fferylt, are you still as sure about Syryana's town meta as you were in post 247 on Day 1? If yes I would be interested to know how given the very low participation...

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I know what they are. I haven't followed any games using them.

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do you get to pm the other heads when you're playing as a hydra?

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My current view on players, most to least townish:

Townish

LnGrrrR
F-16_Fighting_Falcon
* based on contributions in thread

Uncertain, leaning town

fferyllt
* feeling happier with her now but still wary of scum ffery's ability to weave a web of deceit, from bitter experience
Amrun
* D1 posts looked townish, but she started out with votes on 3 town players (cdb, squilly & oriole i.e. me,) then managed to call out all 3 players who then outed as town specials, i.e. Jason, Stubbs and LnnGrrR.
Toomai
* Big effort post with the graph doesn't look like the work of scum, but who knows?
StubbsKVM
* Mostly based on the JOAT claim
Syryana
* largely based on fferylt's meta.

Uncertain, leaning scum

penguin_alien
RachMarie

Scummy

JasonWazza
* Town or scum he is playing a terrible game. Defensive, unhelpful, not asking questions, refusing to answer questions and not offering any credible explanation why.

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There is no reason to believe that asking others for their reads is more likely to come from scum than town. Townies do it all the time. There is a clear town-motivation to do it: to gain a read not only on the target

but on the player giving their opinion of the target

when the target flips.

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this.

there's a reason why I keep asking questions of the 1 player whose game I am familiar with.

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Since then he posted a reads list--great, but 7 of 10 are uncertain and blatantly uncommitted. One is town on you, his now-defender, one on

a doc claim that revealed the basilisk earlier than scum would want to

, and one is the same scum read as at the start of the game. Looks scummy to me...

how would you know what scum wants?

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Whenever I look back at the d1 posts I'm inclined to go back to my original read on the 2 JOATs. Although I don't like the way he plays, JasonWazza was a lot more forthcoming about his JOAT powers and abilities (post 310.) StubbsKVM has ignored all questions to expand on the "1-shot roleblock, 1-shot doc and 1-shot cop" claim (post 257.) No detail about the claimed roleblock (post 472,) but it does provide a convenient excuse for having no result.

Am I flip-flopping? Yeah, I suppose, but it seems to me most likely that 1 of the 2 JOATs is not town. (More likely than both being town, which is more likely than both are lying scum.) I just can't see how we could have the 3 town power roles in a 13-player game. Scum would have to have some serious firepower to balance it out.

I think I just reached the same conclusion as Toomai and RachMarie. VOTE: StubbsKVM

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getting impatient for Syryana to participate

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Hey fferylt. How come you didn't get a vote down for the second day in a row?

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what difference would / could Syr's input have made?

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Based on Stubbs' flip I am fairly confident that JW has told the truth about his role.

I did an extensive re-read of day 1 & 2 over the past couple of days (not much work on this week) and most of the players were town reads for me.

Town

Amrun
F-16_Fighting_Falcon
RachMarie
Toomai
JasonWazza

Neutral

penguin_alien

Scum

Nachomamma8
fferylt

VOTE: fferylt

The fferylt vote is based on a combination of in-thread play (e.g. avoiding voting) and game meta. She doesn't seem to be having fun, which is the difference between her town and scum games. I got the same feeling reading another game where she was scum (newbie 1403,) compared to games where she played as town (e.g. newbie 1415, Newbie 1389.)

Nachomamma8 is based on reading Syryana's interactions with fferylt and the way he was protecting StubbsKVM on d1. Start from post 193, where he was white-knighting fferylt (strongly) and StubbsKVM (weakly.) As the net starts to close on Stubbs Syr and ffery put votes down on Stubbs (post 207, post 208,) but after Stubbs claims (post 257) Syryana vigorously opposes any effort to restart the d1 bandwagon (post 376, post 437, post 443.)

I had LnGrrrR as probable town but the flip has resolved that one.

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when I did a readback, most of the posts drawing attention to penguin_alien were made by fferylt - the low-hanging fruit stuff. but to me it looked more like it was fferylt trying to frame up the low-hanging fruit town player.

I was having the same though about p_a not looking like scum because she had no apparent team mates. Also I could see how she would read my posts as scum asking lots of questions to try to look busy, if she was a lonely townie with no information.

I am probably death-tunnelling now so will probably back off for a while

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EBWOP "same

thought

about p_a not looking like scum"

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this is my first ever game on mafiascum. I have played mafia on other boards with fferylt, and co-gm'd games with her

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I just read your post 656 (didn't see it when I posted 658.) your analysis of me is very similar to p_a's case against me on d2

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Why would I not vote as scum? MSG?

could be a number of reasons, including game mechanics. what's your point, other than to create WIFOM?

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did you use it?

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who was it?

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ok, so your n2 read is not useless

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Well my reads update is that JW and FFF are town due to claims and everyone else is in a big pile of cluelessness.

I guess I'll wait for Nachomamma8 to get caught up.

really?

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yabbut (assuming you're telling the truth, which I am) it means p_a is not the basilisk. or at least did not commit the nk. which means it is less likely she is on the scum team

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Since then he posted a reads list--great, but 7 of 10 are uncertain and blatantly uncommitted. One is town on you, his now-defender, one on

a doc claim that revealed the basilisk earlier than scum would want to

, and one is the same scum read as at the start of the game. Looks scummy to me...

how would you know what scum wants?

Hey penguin_alien, you never did answer this question.

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yeah, you know what, I reread that and you're right, stupid question

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I'm surprised actually that fferylt hasn't referred to this more, especially a game at mindromp where she completely took me and the test of town in.

this page had my last post on day four night chat where I had finally worked it out, but was nkd and it was too late for town.
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you probably have to register at mr to read it, sorry. ff is oblivion on that site.

I would probably say that game affects my impartiality here which os why I am keen to read others' opinions of ff here

As to how well we know each other's games: I don't know many games we have played but we have ben town masons together, worked together on two game designs and co-gm'd them, etc. she was gm of the first game I ever played when I was
subbed in as the outeds seer but was recruited by scum. I won that game which is the only time I have ever played on a scum team.

Sorry for phone post fail.

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fferylt, i'm sorry about posting that stuff. I didn't mean to upset you and you know I have no interest in the stalker stuff. my bad

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Nexus can you sub me out please.

Sorry guys, I'm not having fun an y more. My fault, no one else's.

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Based on Stubbs' flip I am fairly confident that JW has told the truth about his role.

I did an extensive re-read of day 1 & 2 over the past couple of days (not much work on this week) and most of the players were town reads for me.

Town

Amrun
F-16_Fighting_Falcon
RachMarie
Toomai
JasonWazza

Neutral

penguin_alien

Scum

Nachomamma8
fferylt

VOTE: fferylt

The fferylt vote is based on a combination of in-thread play (e.g. avoiding voting) and game meta. She doesn't seem to be having fun, which is the difference between her town and scum games. I got the same feeling reading another game where she was scum (newbie 1403,) compared to games where she played as town (e.g. newbie 1415, Newbie 1389.)

Nachomamma8 is based on reading Syryana's interactions with fferylt and the way he was protecting StubbsKVM on d1. Start from post 193, where he was white-knighting fferylt (strongly) and StubbsKVM (weakly.) As the net starts to close on Stubbs Syr and ffery put votes down on Stubbs (post 207, post 208,) but after Stubbs claims (post 257) Syryana vigorously opposes any effort to restart the d1 bandwagon (post 376, post 437, post 443.)

I had LnGrrrR as probable town but the flip has resolved that one.

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