Open 527 - Hard Boiled: Dixon Hill's Maudlin Madness

[Cephrir]

Y'all can stop claiming, seriously or otherwise, thank you very much. Light townread on notscience thus far and a light scumread on baldy. In other news I am considering attempting to metashift with this game, though I doubt I would actually succeed and would probably revert to my old ways within a few posts. I would really love to not get lynched this game, win or lose.

VOTE: baldy

[Cephrir]

I can admit, Shodan is not making my town phones ring off their hooks.

Let's pretend I executed that metaphor a lot better than I actually did.

[Cephrir]

Wait, SoS is ffery? ffery why aren't you obvtown yet, please get in here and start being obvtown

[Cephrir]

Gee ns you sound extremely convinced about that

[Cephrir]

Fluff in general isn't too bad, it's bad when it's used to deflect and/or avoid talking about the game when there is clearly something to talk about.

Posting fluff a couple times does not make you a VI, and even if it did the first 10 pages would not count.

OMGUS doesn't require a vote in my opinion, and I don't particularly care whether or not the wiki agrees with my definition. Happy with my vote.

[Cephrir]

Literally not what trolling is, keep trying to discredit him though that looks really good for you

[Cephrir]

It's only a slight misrep in that your reason for discrediting NS isn't because you want to lynch him. The discrediting aspect is pretty blatant though and you're still doing it.

[Cephrir]

Why the fuck would you say that baldy

Why

[Cephrir]

If you weren't softclaiming I would powerlynch you for 97. Honestly....

[Cephrir]

95, whatever

[Cephrir]

k

I already know I'm going to get srs FoS's later so /shrug

Why?

[Cephrir]

Hey, yeah, move over. *I'm* supposed to be the lynchbait in this game. Sheesh.

[Cephrir]

I'm sorry Eagle, I don't answer to scum

You don't get to do that. Stoppit.

[Cephrir]

Also, FTR, I don't presently believe it, partially because I cannot find it for the life of me (THIS IS NOT AN INVITATION TO POINT IT OUT)

[Cephrir]

Whelp, I see it.

Excuse me, I need to go murder some puppies.

UNVOTE

[Cephrir]

FTR, looks like I don't have the balls to attempt a metashift. Maybe next time.

[Cephrir]

Baldy, that's a terrible reason for a townread and you should feel bad.

TF probably shouldn't have said that so bluntly. And I would advocate not following it, personally.

[Cephrir]

Even if it weren't for that, I don't see what's so great about it. I mean, I certainly didn't think you were getting lynched there, it was hardly better than RVS. Apparently you thought otherwise, so I guess you're at least internally consistent.

[Cephrir]

This is how today goes down: if no one CC's, we never touch him, but if someone CC's, we lynch him

Shut up, TIP. Thanks.

@VS: Why should Hider claim?

[Cephrir]

Fuck yes I'm obvtown
He claimed Psychologist or so I gathered

I know, why don't we just massclaim! Oh, wait, that's stupid.

[Cephrir]

Does the hider plan still make sense with our psychologist out? I mean, we could just agree to speedlynch any derphammers or have claims at L-2. I advocate doing this today even if we do want the hider to claim late in the day.

Also, whoever suggested having the hider target baldy, that is exactly what we do not want to do, so don't do that.

The opening role PMs suggest trackervig might have had to pick already. Though hopefully he picked tracker seeing as the role is basically strictly better?

[Cephrir]

I mean, that doesn't make it necessarily correct. But I guess I don't see any downside.

[Cephrir]

As much as I dislike trying to game setups, sometimes it's just correct.

[Cephrir]

Upon some review, I agree that TIP is town mostly for pointing out the breadcrumb, but he needs to know that I will policy lynch him if he ever does it again.

[Cephrir]

VOTE: Cait Sith

I am down for this though

OKAY. You get to explain this now.

If this is a jiffy vote, then whatevs.

But if this is a Mara vote, you and I, we're going to have a talk.

Guess we are going to have a talk then?

but I'm not about to let Mala scum-up the thread and then get a town-read from me out of it

Please elaborate, I am leaning town on CS.

[Cephrir]

NS. The setup is there. Not taking advantage of it is not "giving the scum a fair shot". There's a reason this setup has been run multiple times even though people have figured out this strategy. It's because it's not unfair. And it's not like we're going to sit here nolynching in the interim.

[Cephrir]

Hider do not claim

DO

NOT

CLAIM

As long as people are CAREFUL around L-1's it's fine.

But you're going for a breaking mechanism which is BS

The fact DP isn't here contesting it is bugging me

Pedit ALSO MARA IM OBVTOWN AND YOU HAVE ME AS PROBS WTF

...Breaking open setups is part of playing an open setup. If you don't like using gamestate to your advantage day 1, don't play opens. Hider should claim.

<- actually considering not playing opens in the future without seriously thinking about the setup

[Cephrir]

Lol.

Hey ns, remember when we were the hider and we got quicklynched day 1. and we did not claim in the previous iteration of Hard Boiled?
We were against the breaking tactic. I was against it because I thought Amrun was saying it for town cred. And where did that get us?

Remember Mala's Assassin in the Palace where YOU yourself suggested the breaking mechanic? And when I voted you for it, you said you were playing to win? What gives?

Not to mention you mention why I havent been here to discuss this when its pretty clear that we live on two different timezones. Its almost as if you were trying to imply something here.

Nonetheless, I think your reaction to the notion was bad.

VOTE: notscience

Yah dont waste your votes. Sheep me on ns. (No idea why Sal saying that warrants votes)

DP

It's not the stuff before that bothers me so much as this post. I actually feel like this is a scummy type of hunting (looking for contradictions- and it really isn't a great point considering you immediately proceed to show NS has done the same thing in this setup before as town...). The timezone point is a massive reach and really just looks like throwing dirt for no good reason. And you didn't explain what was bad about NS' reaction- THAT'S the part I'm interested in. I guess you could still be talking about his reaction to setup spec? I could see suspecting NS for this on account of the plan being detrimental for scum, but I think that stance is probably way too blatant.

Not voting because I have no idea how many votes you're at. And I'm not 100% sold anyway.

[Cephrir]

Okay, I'm thinking that SD might be town. I'll need to talk to Mala as I don't have much experience with either of them, but the reasoning for ns being scum is pretty convoluted in that it sounds like a town theory for why someone is scum rather than a scum theory. It sounds like one of those heads got a bit ahead of himself because the stances to him didn't make sense and then ran with it without thinking about why it doesn't actually make him scum.

Eeeeeh. Not sure I agree with this logic. It's kinda the opposite of convoluted, really (I do think this is a solid argument in general but I don't think it applies).

[Cephrir]

Why so?

Terrible vote.

Also I know TIP revealing the crumb AND directly saying what it is was bad and should have been told why it was bad. Once. Yet after someone has said it, we get other people saying it.

Yeah, one of the people telling TIP that him revealing the crumb is bad, is probably scum

. Like "hey im telling him off, give me town cred" when it was already said. Its not like it needed to be repeated again and again. So there. Someone who said that TIP revealing the claim is probably scum

Why that a fake reason?

You havent even answered my question yet.

And even then, do you NOT see whats wrong with what I showed you?

Don't care for telling people who they should suspect, or the phrase "terrible vote" in reference to oneself.

The middle bolded is total garbage and about as likely as a random shot.

[Cephrir]

VOTE: SD

By my count, this is 5 (L-2). But don't add any more just to be safe.

[Cephrir]

Also, if *anyone* gets run up and claims tracker, no one should CC them no matter what, since the hider will be able to tell us whether it's true the following day (barring the hider dying of course).

[Cephrir]

Hi MAjiffy tell Mara I'm obvtown

You are really concerned about this, huh?

[Cephrir]

I want to see a lot more from TF and SoS today. We're not lynching anyone yet.

[Cephrir]

Question marks here meaning light scumreads?

I guess my question is "why isn't anyone trying to form a townbloc?"

Also, I don't think I have *ever* seen you not have something to say. I may need to look at Xenoblade or whatever it is.

Also, relatedly- TF, where is Cabd?

[Cephrir]

Right now, the players I have as pretty-solid-for-day-1 town aren't players with reads I really trust, with the exception of Mac. And he's sorted 100% without a counterclaim, and I don't expect a counterclaim. I'm more interested in figuring out players whose reads I *will* trust if they are town.

I almost always go through periods of more observation and less talk during games, even games where I wind up with absurd post counts.

Re Cabd (and Nacho for that matter), it's a holiday weekend. I'm sure they'll be around.

Why not me? You trust Mac who just claimed and I claimed pages ago.

I know you essentially have free reign at this point but do you really have to keep blowing up my scumdar?

[Cephrir]

Re: metashift: I'm not going to talk about the direction yet because I might still do it. Suffice to say I've been waiting for a town role PM though.

Re: hider plan: I didn't really have a reason for that question, just figured those who have played the setup before might go on autopilot and not consider the ramifications of the specific situation.

Good entrance, was starting to get paranoid.

[Cephrir]

Good read on me Nati

10/10

welcome to the scumreads with Mac as well

I had a town read on you but you've done nothing but smash it with a hammer for roughly 8 pages.

[Cephrir]

Kay, time for some reads, I guess.

Sound of Silence-ffery always seems very town to me, this game is no exception. Trying to lead the town and generally being an inquisitor of sorts. I wanna hear from the easier-to-read half of the hydra.

I see what you're talking about, but it doesn't feel the same to me as it usually does, and there's less of it. I'm adopting a wait-and-see approach. Also, welcome to the game Nati, you've earned a null read for solid but uninspired entrance.

[Cephrir]

Now, stop stealing lines from my old playbook. Also, never make me go read what I wrote when I was 15 ever again. It hurts.

I KNOW THAT FEEL BRO

[Cephrir]

Better question: what makes you think she knew which head was posting it?

[Cephrir]

Agreed on at least all the scumreads SoS, though NS is the weakest one for me.

@Sho: The last sentence of my 54 makes a lot more sense when you know that I am very frequently lynched. I appreciate you bringing in a couple novel reads (CS and myself), but I could wish they were any good. Why didn't you comment on my 54 when I originally made it?

P-edit: Well that was a bit of a jump. Not sure how those posts don't end in a vote for me.

[Cephrir]

I want to see a lot more from TF and SoS today. We're not lynching anyone yet.

Why these two specifically?

Because I've played with them several times and am used to them being more proactive.

I may need to look at Xenoblade or whatever it is.

You mean that game where ffery was scum and spammed up the thread to the point that her hydra had the most posts until day 7 or 8 despite having been lynched day 1?

She had a lot to say.

I actually didn't know a thing about it other than ffery was scum in it.

[Cephrir]

Because I've played with them several times and am used to them being more proactive.

Are you referring specifically to the Nacho/ffery heads of these hydras, or are you including Cabd/GiF in this?

Largely, and Cabd to a lesser extent. I feel like AMOL gave me some decent insight on his thought process, though I don't know if I'll be able to make anything useful of it.

[Cephrir]

Is there some meta I'm not aware of or is 427 as town as it looks

I guess that could be deliberate exaggeration due to TF's commentary but I sure do like this

[Cephrir]

Is there some meta I'm not aware of or is 427 as town as it looks

I guess that could be deliberate exaggeration due to TF's commentary but I sure do like this

Why so quick to dismiss my post as TOWN? You're not going to pick it apart, honey?? <33333333 That gives me major heebie jeebies

Why should I? There isn't that much to pick apart.

Baldy I am so glad you're a PR because I'd be mislynching you so hard if you were a vt

[Cephrir]

yawn

Nice wagon guys

Really great

You got me

better selfvote now

Definately no scum jumping on me in the last page where I get like 3 votes that you all ignore

Definately no scum in the people saying they can read me because they have experience with me and are reading me wrong

mmkay

...Yeah this isn't going to fly. We're doing everything we can to prevent derphammers so consider this a pseudovote. Claim please.

[Cephrir]

Fuck that. You're scum.

VOTE: notscience

[Cephrir]

Wow, there's one scum within three players? It's almost as though that would be true on average if you picked three players at random!

Please, please, calm down! You're blowing me away with these strong opinions!

[Cephrir]

Nope nice try though

L-1 when the game's been open 3 days?

Seem legit as fuck

DEfinately not scumpushed

10/10

Ceph didn't hammer he put me at L-1

this

is

not

a

defense

[Cephrir]

CLAIM AND STOP CALLING EVERY SINGLE PERSON WHO VOTES YOU SCUM

THANKS

[Cephrir]

Oh, do I actually get to play today? Great!

I'm roughly nowhere. Bert is town, CS is probably town, SD is slightly scummy, and I have no read on the rest of you. I need to remedy this.

[Cephrir]

I don't think SoS and TF are both town. Leaning town on TIP but could use more convincing, I don't think he's as clearly town as everyone else seems to think.

BRB, rereading Nat.

[Cephrir]

I'm townreading you because you are obviously town and I don't understand why you think I'm scummy for doing so but at least you're consistent

Kay, time for some reads, I guess.

Sound of Silence-ffery always seems very town to me, this game is no exception. Trying to lead the town and generally being an inquisitor of sorts. I wanna hear from the easier-to-read half of the hydra.
Cephrir-Odd guy. I like half his posts, I don't like the other half. Null for now, with a minor town lean.
Shodan-He said I didn't know about his retardedness when I clearly do VERY defensive vs baldeagle, pinged my scumdar some. Hasn't done much otherwise. Probscum.
1baldeagle1-Claimed psych, no counter. NoobTown via default.
Mac-Claimed hider, no counter. Town via default.
Trolling Fairy-I always have trouble reading Cabd when he's not obv town. I like what I've seen, but it's not to obv-town status like in some games. I have next to zero experience with nacho, but Cabd as usual appears to be the primary head. I'm going to say null for now.
Cait Sith-I have little experience with either of these players. Contributions otherwise are solidish. #199 is probably the most town post in game. Otherwise, strong town read.
Violent Saxophone-by which I mean Mara. Contributions are mildly weak in comparison to some, but overall I'm getting a town vibe from the posting. nulltown.
BROseidon-I liked his entrance to the thread. Hasn't done much otherwise. Null.
SalmonellaDoctor-Others mentioned #222's oddness. Reading through his posts, the hydra has deceptively little content, mostly tunneling notscience--which is something I can get behind, but notscience is also a fucking fantastic bus target so that's like null or something. nullscum
TheIrishPope-He has a tell that he always does as town. I'm not pointing it out because I want to utilize in future games. An idiot, but unequivocally town.
notscience-He does this "I'm obvtown" thing every game. He's really hamming up on it this game though. Has about as little content as I do otherwise. His anti-setup gaming is anti-town at best and scummy at worse. Also, channelling his inner-Saki this game and shitting up the place. My current favorite scum.
Syryana-My role PM says that he's actually a serial killer/mod. We should lynch him.

That puts my reads at
conftown{Eagle, Mac}
Probtown{SoS, Cait Sith, TIP}
null{Cabd, Cephrir, BRO, Saxaphone}
Probscum{SD, ns, Shodan}
ConfScum{Syr}

It seems this is all we have to go on really. Though I'll want to take a look at others' posts regarding Nat (I think some of you were calling him town for no discernible reason?)

All this does is reinforce my leeriness towards SD and Sax.

[Cephrir]

VOTE: Cephrir

Nati's partner found!

DP

...????

[Cephrir]

Oh, do I actually get to play today? Great!

I'm roughly nowhere. Bert is town, CS is probably town, SD is slightly scummy, and I have no read on the rest of you. I need to remedy this.

Did you not expect to get to play today?

(I didn't get to play yesterday, you lynched before I showed up)

[Cephrir]

In what universe was the a town read, I literally said the word null

If you can't see me slowly changing my mind on NS day 1 you are blind

I may yet vote you but it feels too easy, I haven't bothered to look at ffery's scum meta yet and I want to know if this is it

[Cephrir]

Cephrir you can't even explain why Im really town. Really? Umm... Something's fishy

And yeah, i agree with Tip and ffery - "I get to play today! Great!" sounds pretty contrived

I've been gut reading you as town ever since you stopped being shodan, i don't think you've said a single thing that didn't sound absurdly genuine.

Okay, if you want, that can be contrived.

@SD: OK, thought you were talking about something I said. That's actually a fair point and I won't argue with it.

I don't think TIP is actually lynchbait, everyone is pretty much agreeing he's town.

[Cephrir]

Skimmed ffery's iso in Xenoblade. Established nothing except that I'm shit at meta. I would say "I'll leave you to cabd" but I don't trust him right now either =S

[Cephrir]

Hey, VS. Why isn't Majiffy tunnelling anyone yet? (At least that's my understanding of what should happen from one game)

[Cephrir]

VOTE: SD

By my count, this is 5 (L-2). But don't add any more just to be safe.

You're so quick everywhere to careless throw votes aroudn when you well know that there are lots of speedlyncherse in this game

everyone please talk to me about this Ceph and make me feel better or worse, I don't nkow this player but I want him dead

Careless? I think that's the opposite of careless and you don't see me throwing my vote around willy-nilly

now

do you?

Is there some meta I'm not aware of or is 427 as town as it looks

I guess that could be deliberate exaggeration due to TF's commentary but I sure do like this

I am not used to people reading me as town if they haven't played with me before, BUT

BUT you are still taking such a quick stance on me being town after people are scumreading me

the defense feels nice, not gnona lie, it's nice to have my back patted BUT not feeling great about it tbh or you

Why don't you love me D:

In all seriousness though, I was scumreading you too until the sudden shift. It surprises me that people scumread you often for your playstyle, I would really expect the opposite. I wish I could explain this better, but I don't think I can.

Since when did this ever matter to anyone?

I am disappointed in you if you are town

YOU DID NOT STOP THE WAGON WHEN YOU COULD HAVE

if you felt tehre was a chacne of ns town, and you saw everyone going after him

you know what 507 was like

I wanted him lynched, but you are a STRONG player, I did not want him DEAD in like 2 hours after I finalyl immerse myself into the game

this worries me because you did this in 507 when we were scum

you showed just apathy about someone dying SO EARLY

how can you I am in dismay

I want to agree with this, but it would be slightly hypocritical.

this

is

not

a

defense

have

you

seen

notscience

play

not

really


I don't want SD around for LyLo, but I'm still not convinced they're scum. By PoE I'm becoming increasingly certain ffery and/or nachocabd (emphasis on the latter though) is scum and I want to deal with it NOW.

(Relatedly, townreading VS)

[Cephrir]

It's not so much that I've removed everyone but ffery and nachocabd by PoE, but I'm feeling pretty good about everyone except them and SD.

Maybe I will leave you to others or trying looking at other games, SoS. My inclination is to leave you to TF, but I think there's a good chance they're scum, sooo....

I'm conflicted on whether I actually want to lynch SD today. I'd really like nacho to get in here so I can decide.

[Cephrir]

Not sure if happy about townreads or sad about being awkward

[Cephrir]

I want to agree with this, but it would be slightly hypocritical.

Hypocrisy is a shit scumtell anyways. You agree that I should have stopped that wagon?

Given your alleged opinion, yes.

Assuming I'm not confusing said opinion with someone else's.

[Cephrir]

He is pretty distressed about his towngame, has a good scumgame. I liked his metashift comments earlier and his "I'm gonna try something new this game", but I don't like that we haven't seen anything from it. That's probably due to the crackheaded pace this game has, but I'll revisit it in the morning.

I was going to try acting all confident and aggressive. Maybe I should have tried harder but being honest is too strong a compulsion.

I'll have to cut my teeth (or something like that) on a worse playerlist at some point.

Though it might not be a shift for the better in terms of my win rate to do that- I'd cause more mislynches but not get lynched as much myself. Guess I have to learn to catch scum first. Though if I haven't managed that in all the mafia I've played... *shrug*

[Cephrir]

Okay see the thing I liked about it is that I've only ever made a statement like that as town. I don't think to as scum. Posts like that are one of my mafia weaknesses though, I'll readily admit that, but it gives me pause.

I feel like you're getting too hung up on this sort of thing.

[Cephrir]

Ceph's extremely brief scumlist that presents almost nothing novel, a fact that makes him somewhat paranoid because he is used to disagreeing with the general opinion

Town
Bert- if he's scum I'll eat my detective hat, never had a gut read this strong ever.
TIP- mostly trusting others on this one, he does seem pretty town to me but I can see him always looking this way.
CS- I think I've mentioned reasons elsewhere. Hasn't pinged for me once, I don't think.
SOS- GIF is proving reassuring.
VS- slightly liked Majiffy, slightly disliked Mara. Is this just instinctive because one of them is townreading me and the other's not? I'd like to think that's not it.
TF- not convincing me.
SD- been over this.
Untown

[Cephrir]

It should be noted that everyone north of TF is a townread.

[Cephrir]

Not voting SD because I don't want to end the day (he's on L-2).

[Cephrir]

So Cait's scum now? Where did that come from?

[Cephrir]

Oh and you still sound like a robot by the way.

This times 10.

[Cephrir]

go away cephrir

This is the first town-sounding thing you've said all game

*goes away*

[Cephrir]

VOTE: Trolling Fairy

Thanks but no thanks

[Cephrir]

I do usually have more to say. I'll admit that. For whatever reason though my gut is really leading the way this game. There are too many players here I don't trust my head to read properly (every living player except SD and Cait Sith).

[Cephrir]

Considering they didn't post between changing their mind on NS and deciding he was town and NS being lynched, it only worries me slightly, but their other interactions more than make up for it to me.

I'm not sold on fferytown yet either, but I'm giving it a rest and feeling better about them than I was. Like I said, I like GIF's posts, although admittedly I incorrectly believed he was scum in the one game I've ever played with him so I'm hardly an expert. ffery still isn't doing what I expect of her but she's getting closer.

[Cephrir]

(And I suppose it's not entirely fair of me to expect the 200 post obvtown D1 she had in amnesiac every game)

[Cephrir]

ffery still isn't doing what I expect of her but she's getting closer.

What do you expect her to do?

This

[Cephrir]

I know I talk about it a lot but it's the basis of my experience =S

[Cephrir]

Also you can try strangling me after I lynch you but I don't think you'll be able to

[Cephrir]

One of my only concerns at this point is that I really expect Nacho's scumgame to be better than this.

[Cephrir]

Eh, haven't heard from DP in awhile, so I'll switch to my scum read.

VOTE: TrollingFairy

[Cephrir]

TF- 4 (Cait Sith, Ceph, Bert, SD)

Am I counting wrong?

[Cephrir]

Pretty sure SD would not have cast a hammer vote like that, it'd earn them a one way ticket to lynchville tomorrow regardless of your flip.

[Cephrir]

...You're upset that it wasn't a lynch?

[Cephrir]

Okay. That makes a lot of sense.

Has it occurred to you that might be too many?

[Cephrir]

I definitely feel like TF needed to find some direction to go in that wasn't SD and was clutching to find something. I'm the easiest choice probably, but their reasons for suspecting me are kinda bullshit ("he's not playing to his town meta or his scum meta"? Really?).

If SD OR TF is scum, they basically have no choice but to lynch me at some point, because no one else looks like they're going anywhere.

[Cephrir]

TIP is probably still town for quickhammering. More when I have a chance to go into depth on the flipped scum.

[Cephrir]

Given that we have a mislynch that does seem like a reasonable tack, but I don't want to go there until I look back.

[Cephrir]

Bert

If you want to suspect me that's fine

But I really wish you'd get over the fact that I am townreading you and it's a silly reason to suspect me.

I'm slightly nervous about VS as well, just because one of the members obviously doesn't want to vote me and the other keeps doing it, that seems like potentially fake hydra dis and a fairly easy way to have it. Please don't lynch me before I have time to make a decent post.

[Cephrir]

Re: metashift: I'm not going to talk about the direction yet because I might still do it. Suffice to say I've been waiting for a town role PM though.

I look forward to witnessing it!

I like the Dreams part of SD. The DP part set off a few alarms. We decided to put our vote there.

I thought DP's attack on NS left him smelling like roses, personally.

TF gets a scumread for not saying I'm obvtown

Yeah yeah whatevs.

Any reads?

Yeah, sorry. This game's been low on my priority list whatwith the nine other games I'm in right now. It's late, I'll get back to you tomorrow. Feel free to violently prod me if I don't.

I'm looking briefly at TF's trajectory on SD, and it does feel forced in the sense that at no point does it jive with everyone else's read. I believe this post is after SD made the first couple posts that put them on most of our scumdars, and TF has no problem with them. Yet.

TiP is town.
NS is town.
Violent Saxophone is town.
1baldeagle1 is town.

Still reading other players.

~SD

Lol.

Hey ns, remember when we were the hider and we got quicklynched day 1. and we did not claim in the previous iteration of Hard Boiled?
We were against the breaking tactic. I was against it because I thought Amrun was saying it for town cred. And where did that get us?

Remember Mala's Assassin in the Palace where YOU yourself suggested the breaking mechanic? And when I voted you for it, you said you were playing to win? What gives?

Not to mention you mention why I havent been here to discuss this when its pretty clear that we live on two different timezones. Its almost as if you were trying to imply something here.

Nonetheless, I think your reaction to the notion was bad.

VOTE: notscience

Yah dont waste your votes. Sheep me on ns. (No idea why Sal saying that warrants votes)

DP

I thought that the immediate attack on NS right after his partner declared a townread on him was pretty townish because I'd expect them to have some sort of coordination while scum, but DP's NS scumread would trump Sal's townread on him since DP and NS have hydra'ed together before. I also thought that the attack itself seemed like something scumDP would have trouble faking; he and NS were pretty much lynched last hardboiled because they were against gamebreaking and thought that Amrun was scum and pushed it in an extremely passionate way; NS lacking that same passion here is a red flag that makes sense and picking up on that would be immensely impressive for DP.

And what did you think of 222?

It wasn't that interesting to me. Why didn't you like it?

Xegarus and I are currently in talks about the game state and who we find suspicious. Stay tuned for a post in the next 12 hours.

Love, Bert

I'll be waiting, love!

Same here. Giving meta-related reasons to townread SD, though this is a little more legitimate.

Cephrir, CS, SD are the people I'm looking at today. Everybody else is looking pretty good.

Here's where I start to have a problem. Now that SD's stock is plummeting, TF starts hedging and preparing to get me and CS lynched down the line, because he now needs more mislynches. I think around this point they've realized SD may very well not make it through the day and they think they'll be the last scum standing.

"Cephrir-Odd guy. I like half his posts, I don't like the other half. Null for now,

with a minor town lean.

"

- Natirasha

Translation: I'm not calling my partner town because its too obvious. I'll read him as null-town even if my statement says null because i want to a) find an easy way to potentially distance and b) subtly make people think he's town

My issue here is the fact that it was one of those "weak, not willing to give info" reads that scum LOVE to impart onto buddies

DP

This felt legitimate.

Lol, its like you can never read me correctly, like, ever.

DP

TIP is obvtown.

VS is town.

SOS is town.

DP keeps putting his foot in his mouth, but his point on Ceph is valid.

Yeah, we're probably lynch bait.

^I hate hate hate hate HATE it when people try to discredit a wagon on them partially in advance.

SD's disappearance after I crushed his "easy lynch" card is noted.

When exactly did you do this, anyways?

Oh, yeah, he totally crushed my top tier strategy of claiming I'm lynch bait. Man, he really saw right through me. There goes my scummy for most manipulative player

^More wagon discrediting which is icky.


So yeah, I can see this being scum.

This has been discussed already. I hate this, but it's almost such a blatantly buddyesque thing to do I'm not sure I believe Nacho would do it?

Sound of Silence/Bert/Cait Sith
Violent Saxophone
TheIrishPope
SalmonellaDoctor
Cephrir

I find it curious that VS is above TIP in this list. TF has basically never mentioned VS.

My overall positions haven't changed much. If Bert or CS was scum, they could easily rest on their laurels and wait for me/SD to be lynched, but they are continuing to town it up. Meanwhile VS is coasting a bit more, and SD isn't trying very hard either, which is what I would expect either party to do if they were indeed scum (giving up in the latter case).

TIP-scum is a remote possibility in my mind, but there's simply no way we are going to lynch him, so I have no qualms about applying Shaheed's Law and progressing with VS and SD as my suspects.

I will be looking through VS and SD's isos again to decide which of them I feel is scum, but I'm leaning SD off the top of my head simply because they've pinged me more throughout the game. I haven't felt strongly about VS at all, but I do feel this type of hydra dis would be relatively easy to fake.

[Cephrir]

Addendum: I also feel like Majiffy isn't being as aggressive towards his supposed scumreads as I believe he generally is, and he could easily be white-knighting me. I have to admit, I am quite susceptible to that practice, and I haven't liked the Mara posts very much but perhaps the opposite reason.

It's proving difficult for me to be objective about VS because a fair amount of their posting that I recall revolves around me- hopefully re-ISO'ing will prove useful.

[Cephrir]

Aww, youre just mad cause I asked to hydra with SD Before you said yes to being Taskmaster again in a hard boiled

Okay, what does this do: I'm a VT.

VOTE: TIP

- DP

Who on earth does this and isn't lying?

No Sal. we're doing this.

VOTE: notscience

Hey SoS, how can you like my other head's posts better if your main scum read was his unvote?

This renders my point re: VS hydra dis fairly moot in terms of choosing between the two as this is essentially the same thing (only it sounds more fake).

If I get lynched while I'm at college, TF is scum and TIP is town.

Not too confident in my other reads, although DP is confident in our vote, I assume.

Eh, haven't heard from DP in awhile, so I'll switch to my scum read.

VOTE: TrollingFairy

Weird vibe from TF. Its like I feel he is defending us yet has us as their no. 2 scum read.

Hi White Knight.

Above is every mention SD ever makes of TF. Scumread out of the blue, jumps on the wagon (though I feel like you'd try a little harder to actually get towncred if you knew the wagon was correct...)

If SD was scum, knowing TF is getting lynched, it seems to me that they would have made an effort to change something- look less like TF's buddy, or something. Althoguh I view voting for scum in a half-assed manner as a scumtell normally, I don't know if it works the same way if you're already under suspicion.

I guess what I'm trying to say is, SD looks like TF's scumbuddy from a naive perspective, but WIFOM.

[Cephrir]

lol

you silly

Maybe it's to early for me buuuut I'm not exactly seeing what is being crumbed >.>

Unless you're hider, pointing out that you're a PR is pretty :/

on that note

Hider claims now, and we move on from there

TIP-Obvtown
Sci-probably town
Bro-maybe scum
Ceph-probable town
Nacho/Cabd-maybe scum
Nats-maybe scum
Bert-town
Mac- needs to post, scum until he does so
Cait- town?
SD-probably town
Ffery/GIF- I think they might be town BUT WE WILL SEE
eagle-Town

I like this.

Nacho's at lynch -2

Hokay.

VOTE: TrollingFairy

Stating intent to hammer the Nacho. This doesn't feel like his town self.

Where was this Jiffy in the Buzzword Bingo game?

What are you talking about?

Stating intent to hammer the Nacho. This doesn't feel like his town self.

Why not?

Too calm. TownNacho is more frantic when people are voting him for perceived stupid reasons.

I like this too. No further interactions with TF or Nati.

I'm ready to end the day, but I'll let anyone who wants to get some last words in do so.

[Cephrir]

Ah, it's four to lynch, isn't it.

VOTE: SD

[Cephrir]

I mean... what am I going to do? Do you really think me stretching out the day would do me any good? There is neither town motivation nor scum motivation for me basically realizing that we're going to lose if it's not SD.

What does the fast wagon matter if there's only one scum anyway, not to mention it's on someone we've been trying to lynch since D1?

[Cephrir]

I think that's quite likely, yes.

If it turns out not to be SD, it's either VS or TIP, emphasis on the former, but I don't think there's much chance of us lynching correctly in that event, especially with Cait Sith probably dead.

[Cephrir]

Well, that's part of the problem. I don't have fantastic cases on either of them, and if anything my review of VS made me think they're not very likely to be TF's scumbuddy. TIP had that apparently consistent towntell thing, but it's hard to make too much of that without specifics; but the only way I could see him making the hammer yesterday is if he'd been preemptively coached to do so. TIP hasn't scumhunted or contributed much of anything, but he never does, and that makes him difficult for me to read.

I feel the same way with respect to SD. It's too easy to my mind that we correctly nailed both scum yesterday. But we simply have to lynch them, they are just too scummy.

If it comes down to it tomorrow, I will probably attempt to meta TIP and decide between him and VS based on what I find. I don't strongly suspect VS at this point except by PoE =S

[Cephrir]

I agree with everything Bert has said over the last four pages, Cait Sith is just transparently scum and I have every intention of lynching them tomorrow

[Cephrir]

If it's not Cait Sith it's probably Bert

VS is basically confirmed town after the last few pages

[Cephrir]

VOTE: No Lynch

[Cephrir]

Ya know, I don't think I've ever been in three-player LyLo.

TIP kill is interesting. Given that this last day was setting up to be (possibly) VS vs. Cait Sith, the fact that he was killed over me means that either the scum think I'm a possible mislynch, or they'd rather have a stable player (me) around rather than a total wildcard, which indicates they want the status quo (i.e. lynching Cait Sith today) to occur.

Then again, it could just be VS either taking my last post yesterday seriously, or having no good options, or expecting me to psyche myself out precisely the way I currently am.

[Cephrir]

(i.e. lynching Cait Sith today)

Meant VS.

[Cephrir]

I can't help but think it's VS at this point. I'd feel incredibly dumb if it was them and I voted wrong, CS has been town all game (and didn't coast when they easily could have as I noted yesterday), their points today are wifommy as hell (I would never do X as scum) but I still find myself believing them simply because I don't see scum framing the argument that way. The fact that VS is setting up to move in on me only reinforces this possibility, because they have probably figured out I'm probably going to lynch them over Cait Sith. The fact that they pulled up 1117 indicates to me that this was probably their plan all along. I can only assume I'm still here because I am relatively lynchable, though I don't understand why CS is still here instead of TIP, and that's the only thing that gives me pause. But my suspicion is that VS probably thought they could use their apparently familiarity with CS to lynch me.

That sounded sure, but I'm really not. It's just difficult for me to imagine voting CS today and they probably deserve the win if they're scum anyway.

I'm very interested in seeing whether Majiffy is going to flip on me though.

[Cephrir]

I can't help but think CS positioning to possibly vote me at this point is kind of off-putting as well, but I suppose I'm biased.

I have to imagine the dead QT is screaming at me right now either way.

3-player lylo is more stressful than I expected. It feels like the whole game is on my shoulders. =S

[Cephrir]

Well obviously it is because one of you is scum who made this lylo happen.

It's not an argument about unlikely, it's an argument about damn impossible for me to be scum here because there's no way I'd make this lylo happen.

(I haven't named him yet, but put a picture in the pet thread.)

I think you're town but it annoys me that you keep making this argument

[Cephrir]

Hi. I'm town.

[Cephrir]

CS calling me scum after that vote seems really town but like

Why the fuck would vs vote cait if they are scum as I was clearly preparing to vote for them

argh

[Cephrir]

Like why would scum VS bring CS the obvtownformostofthegame to lylo and then vote them

That makes no fucking sense

[Cephrir]

Nah, when I am holding a scum win in my hands I don't fuck around, I'm way too proud of my scum record to pull shit like that

[Cephrir]

why would you still post 1157 after seeing my post

i hate this game

[Cephrir]

I need to reread this game.

Feel free to make cases on one another.

[Cephrir]

Scum alignment confirmation, thanks.

+1

Who made this post?

[Cephrir]

nvm, figured it out and don't care

[Cephrir]

We lynch SD.
In the case he isn't scum, we lynch Cephrir.
VOTE: SD

Why the fuck does either of you kill this

I was even leaning towards possibly voting it

I don't even

Like how does this lylo happen without me being scum

[Cephrir]

vs POINTS THAT OUT

and then proceeds to not vote me

why don't either of you make sense

[Cephrir]

*checks role PM*

dammit im still town

[Cephrir]

tip 960

[Cephrir]

Well, at least you aren't trying to appease me, I guess.

[Cephrir]

Your insistence that your alignment is obvious feels like possibly playing on my fear of being blamed if I fuck this up. And I know I'd be blamed a lot more for incorrectly lynching you as opposed to incorrectly lynching VS.

[Cephrir]

I'm probably going to put more stock in my own reread than anything that gets said right now because this whole day has been weirding me the fuck out on both of you

[Cephrir]

Said reread is not happening right now because I desperately need to do all this homework

[Cephrir]

If any of the four of you has been in 3p lylo before I'd appreciate links

It's not hugely likely that I'm going to lynch cait sith tbh but I want to be as careful as possible

[Cephrir]

Lots?

also bad ceph no posting do your fucking homework

[Cephrir]

Well, I've iso'd both of you and the scums. I only did a little of the meta, I know I blow at meta anyway. I think CS' interaction with Nacho looks pretty good for them but I also know Nacho is absurdly good at this game. My read has me feeling like both of you are town. So whichever it is, you played pretty well. This endgame scenario, as I've said, makes no sense. From CS' perspective: they can't take Bert because it becomes too suspicious that both they and Bert are alive. But as they've said, there is no reason for them to bring VS (a vote on them, forcing me to make the choice- though it seems clear I'm likely to vote VS...) when they could take TIP and I and almost certainly get the hammer. From VS' perspective, the scenario is exactly the same except they have the added option of trying to get Bert to hammer me. No matter which of you it is I think you're stupid for killing TIP and possibly a game throw. CS' ATE today has been fucking horrible. Regardless of your alignment please never do this again, between this and the constant appeals for me to "see through" VS my gut wants nothing more than to lynch the ever loving shit out of you. Meanwhile VS has made good points today. If the rest of the game didn't exist, they wrecked you pretty badly. Let the record show that I already regret this decision, I have roughly zero confidence in it, and I'm sorry for probably fucking this up. Please don't yell at me, I'm bad at this game.

P-edit: And you're still fucking doing it even though I wanted you to stop. I don't know if that's a towntell or not. But I'm done worrying about this shit. Please don't slow roll me.

VOTE: Violent Saxophone

[Cephrir]

It would be incredibly rude of me to troll that hard

[Cephrir]

I...picked something right? What is this sorcery?

*semi-begrudgingly increases abysmal town win rate*

[Cephrir]

They were before the last day. I felt like they were doing a damn good job of trying to fuck it up, but their overwhelming towniness before that was enough. I almost ended it lots of times without rereading but I knew that'd be stupid.

[Cephrir]

False. Bert was unlynchable.