Mini 1496: The Cash Cabd (Game Over)

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VOTE: Dessew

HI GIF HI FFERY HI NACHO HI MALA (kitty in name obv mala)

Upon reading, I agree with HP's statement about hydrae (although admittedly I do it myself).

I'm liking Fu SoS and HP For town thus far

Fu because the selfdefeatism is something I've seen all over the place thus far coming predominately from town

SoS because they're trying to interact and get reads on people (such as nacho) that they want to get sorted out

HP because I like some of the ideas he's brought up, the whole "hydrae are harder to read tidbit" seems like a townslip. He addressed it early rather than save it for later and try to use it against someone which feels incredibly protown. Plus, I was like "omghao2readhydrae" my first game with one in it (I was town)

DB is leaning town because his wall looks really good, it has some nice points. There's also a town-vibe I'm getting, but he has only had that one post so that's why he is only in leaning atm. One pro-townpost does not a town make.

Dessew is feeling scum to me. He voteparks for a reason, says "I want to see him react" (which in and of itself kills all reactions) and then his reason- "I was reactiontesting." It also feels like he's more into calling people town and not trying to find scum.

Mario feels weird. He's not under any fire and yet "If you dont like when I post just lynch me" seems very forced. Like a forceful way of trying to say "I don't care if I die"

Kitty is leaning scum. It seems for someone with 14 posts they only have 1 townread and 1 scumread. It kinda looks like they're trying to buddy up to fu.

Saki is VERY SLIGHTLY leaning town for me because of the reaction test.

Brian is leaning scum, I don't really see any stances from him. He's discussing but not presenting any reads. Most of his stuff is based around hydrae which is weird to me. Keying in on hydrae and no reads add up weird in my head.

Rail is null for me.

Nachohydra looks town, based on vibes and points that were brought up that I agreed with upon reading.

HC is null for me as well, mainly because I misread him last game and want to see more from him to compare.

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Yep

Any questions for me?

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Ignoring Saki's RVS-style vote

Ffery I have a fresh scumgame if you want it

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http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 4#p5295264

No thanks, I'm better at metareading people when it's a game I was in. Otherwise I just confbias the whole game.

His initial tidbit about "oh that was my other head" and all that. While I don't expect it to be an issue, my first game with a hydra I had NO idea how to wrap my head around reading two people at once.

In terms of the agreement it isn't just hydrae stuff. Saki and me were talking to nacho and cabd the other day about stepping it up and frankly I agree with him about not condoning Saki's behaviour.

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EBWOP

Plus that excuse is so common

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No, I've been back and forth in my head like mad.

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Revealing your heads would help.

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Ugh

Ofc it's someone I don't have meta on

I don't know, it's been back and forth in my head all game.

Why don't you agree about the hydra thing when it doesn't seem to apply to you?

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I did that a lot the first time I played with one.

I was town.

He played it up early.

Do you think he's scum? If so, why?

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He seems to be doing a lot of theory and common debacles (ate being a scumtell (WHICH IT ISNT), Lynch all "liars" even though at that point it really isn't anything substantial. At best, it's an associative if either flips scum. But however, that in and of itself doesn't make him scum.

I'll be totally honest, I read him flipping shit about hydrae and the bit about Saki lying and wrote him off as town (I only skimmed his ISO because majority of his posts are walls, but am rereading them now)

Although I disagree with his points and I feel like he's blatantly wrong about things, he's being kinda persistent with what he's said which gives good vibes. (Take for example, his persistence accusation of HC lying about mario or Fu's AtE)

It's strange how he has only stated two townreads and even those were "early" townreads.

Hmmm.

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Didn't he tell people to start analyzing motivation?

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I've played with Dessew HC and Fu before btw

I confbias tunneled HC and he was town

Dessew was scum I think and this behaviour is looking similar to it which is what's pinging me so hard

Fu was scum too but I don't remember him doing the selfdefeatist bit there

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So you mention my reads and yet you don't even bother trying to respond to anything?

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Yeah, Dessew is scum.

That last post looks like "I'd respond but it'd incriminate me more so I'll pass it off as "oh itll make wifom"" to me.

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HP what's your opinion on Dessew thus far?

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Hey stubbs, care to talk?

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Nacho what do you think of Dessew?

;-; Sorry

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derp

You're right

I don't see much in the scumreads though. Care to share and why?

Also I didn't get a hi back so leaning further scum :<

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I can't be the only one bugged by that middle paragraph. It looks like he's trying harder to SEEM townish rather than find scum.

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I think everyone is scared of me ;-;

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That's a misrep. I said it's strange for someone with as many posts as they have to have those few scumreads (I realized I was wrong on townreads). Got any questions for me?

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What do you think of them?

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Does anyone else notice Dessew hasn't commented on anything my slot has done?

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I meant the two posts

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What's bugging you ffery?

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Hmmm. What made that voteworthy now rather than at the time of his latest post?

Could I persuade you to vote Dessewscum?

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..

What's to elaborate on them?

You haven't mentioned my slot in your ISO. aka you haven't given a position on my predecessors lurking, or my catchup. Why are you avoiding it?

234 it pretty obvious. You seem more worried in seeming town then finding scum.

I'm not the best at explaining metareads seeing as they're predominately gut based (for me anyways). So, it's kinda hard to explain.

Pedit- RT, that's a fair point.

But, he just says he doesn't see it as scummy. It implies I'm null yet I've given him plenty to make a read based off of.

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Dunno. He hasn't given me any questions, and he basically said "I agree with x y z" without actually taking a stance on me(not like that's a shock, half the playerlist hasn't). While nothing is pinging my radar as scum I still have those initial townvibes, so worst case he's back in the null for me.

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Just because YOU say she has 6 posts doesn't mean I agree.

Here's a secret- It's easier for scum to townhunt rather than scumhunt.

Also nice misrep, I didn't find the warning about his activity forced, I found the "lynch me if you don't like it" bit forced.

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@Stubbs I'm changing my meta because how I was playing wasn't really working in terms of finding scum (hence the lack of trolling).

@Dessew, I wasn't referring to the warning (because I understand conflicts) I SPECIFICALLY SAID that bit. So generalizing it is a misrep. It also seems you're doing everything in your power to discredit my scumreads. Why is that?

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Stubbs what are you thinking of Dessew thus far?

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Pretty sure I already responded to his point things...

To reiterate, my read on AK was due to the lack of scumreads and etc with a decent post count that just seemed off to me.

Not really an attack either, so /shrug

The misrep post is null town, he didnt use it to push me like id expect scum to, however he only commented on two reads which makes me wary.

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GIF I know ffery was trying to sort Nacho, where are you at on him?

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VOTE: Dessew

HI GIF HI FFERY HI NACHO HI MALA (kitty in name obv mala)

Upon reading, I agree with HP's statement about hydrae (although admittedly I do it myself).

I'm liking Fu SoS and HP For town thus far

Fu because the selfdefeatism is something I've seen all over the place thus far coming predominately from town

SoS because they're trying to interact and get reads on people (such as nacho) that they want to get sorted out

HP because I like some of the ideas he's brought up, the whole "hydrae are harder to read tidbit" seems like a townslip. He addressed it early rather than save it for later and try to use it against someone which feels incredibly protown. Plus, I was like "omghao2readhydrae" my first game with one in it (I was town)

DB is leaning town because his wall looks really good, it has some nice points. There's also a town-vibe I'm getting, but he has only had that one post so that's why he is only in leaning atm. One pro-townpost does not a town make.

Dessew is feeling scum to me. He voteparks for a reason, says "I want to see him react" (which in and of itself kills all reactions) and then his reason- "I was reactiontesting." It also feels like he's more into calling people town and not trying to find scum.

Mario feels weird. He's not under any fire and yet "If you dont like when I post just lynch me" seems very forced. Like a forceful way of trying to say "I don't care if I die"

Kitty is leaning scum. It seems for someone with 14 posts they only have 1 townread and 1 scumread. It kinda looks like they're trying to buddy up to fu.

Saki is VERY SLIGHTLY leaning town for me because of the reaction test.

Brian is leaning scum, I don't really see any stances from him. He's discussing but not presenting any reads. Most of his stuff is based around hydrae which is weird to me. Keying in on hydrae and no reads add up weird in my head.

Rail is null for me.

Nachohydra looks town, based on vibes and points that were brought up that I agreed with upon reading.

HC is null for me as well, mainly because I misread him last game and want to see more from him to compare.

Moved Nacho up some more on the town spec

HC and Mario are now both null, and Rail is moving to town for me

Nacho can you walk me through the DB case please

PEdit Saki is moving down to leaning scum btw

[notscience]

You left me out, why?

And I don't quite get your 327, can you reword it?

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I say we wagon Dessew-scum, because as HP said we're too far apart and it's risking a deadline scramble.

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;-; mala

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I'm still waiting for that case, he was in my leaning town pile. His reads post was kinda bad, but I want to know what you guys are seeing that I'm not.

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Btw Ffery, Newbie 1420 is a just finished scumgame of mine.

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I'm liking those points.

While DB isn't my first pick for scum, he's definately 3/4th on my list now.

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Nati, don't tempt me.

You haven't even seen VT yet and she's like legend-levle newbie.

Hey Mog, just reread and give your own reads.

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Define "bad"?

Scummy, or just bad play?

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No shoutout for me?

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Who is Titus replacing?

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I apparently can't read

Thanks

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<3 Mala

Titus, any particular reason you only mention like 3 slots?

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Yeah, mog's giving me some severe newbtown vibes.

Moving that slot to leaning.

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The million dollar question.

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Nice meaningless one-liner post.

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Is anyone else bugged by the lack of another wagon? Everyone seems to be on a different page and not trying to convince people to follow them (which I admittedly am guilty of myself) and it's bugging the shit out of me.

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It could happen.

What do you think of the lack of any counterwagon?

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PL reasons or scum reasons?

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Elaborate please.

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AK, do you still think I'm scum?

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Yeah, I think DB is scum.

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Shit, my one-shot daykill didn't go through

Why so fluffy Titus?

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When did I say it was just that post?

Overall you've been fluffing the whole thread up.

And ftr- Yes it was fluff.

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Dat amished. Is anyone else noticing Titus is avoiding like half the playerlist?

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I haven't played a lot with Fu. Usually I end up replacing into games he was in and left.

I might have replacements mixed.

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I see it as a response to the comment of her playing fluff-like such as her predecessor.

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Oh, I agree. Still worth debating though.

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Oh, I agree(@Part 2). Still worth debating though

Ebwop

[notscience]

Welcome back. You left your umbrella.

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Titus for DB's scumbuddy.

Her last post looked very much like "ugh I really really don't want to lynch him so I'll just sit my vote here"

Gonna parrot RT- this is pretty much the first time she's mentioned me. Convenient after the first time I call her out for not mentioning like half the playerlist.

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I disagree.

I've seen scum say "I want to lynch x but will hammer my scumbuddy at dl so we have a lynch."

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Yet you've only voted one person- me.

You left your predecessor's vote yet

DIDNT PUSH THE VOTEE

Yeah, Titus is scum.

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Prove both.

Direct quotes.

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Rail Tracer's opening is scummh. The refusal to answer questions will almost always irk me unless the questions are pointless and loaded. I don't know where RT stands though. He also asks for reads early on. Bleh. I will put him at a null now but it is a generous null and I will read again in the morning. For now my vote remains as no one screams scum at me.

Yup.

Totally.

You sure showed me.

Ohwait.

Nice try, scumfuck.

[notscience]

Titus replaces Fuzdun

Vote Count of the First City, Seventh Block

Players Alive: 13
Votes to Lynch: 7
Format of:
Wagon (size): Voters on wagon

Rail Tracer (1): Titus
Mogamma (1): Mario and the Diamonds
Notscience (1): artemiskitty
Titus (1): Dessew,
Dessew (1): Notscience
Daniel Bryan (4): Rebel Without a Pulse, Rail Tracer. Brian Skies, Sound of Silence
Brian Skies (1): Daniel Bryan
Natirasha (1): Humble Poirot
Mario and the Diamonds (1): Mogamma
Not voting:Natirasha

Deadline for Day One falls on: 9/30/13 which is (expired on 2013-09-23 19:00:00)

Vote Count of the First City, Eleventh Block

Players Alive: 13
Votes to Lynch: 7
Format of:
Wagon (size): Voters on wagon

Rail Tracer (2): Titus, Daniel Bryan (L-5)
Dessew (1): Notscience (L-6)

Daniel Bryan (6): Rebel Without a Pulse, Rail Tracer. Brian Skies, Sound of Silence, Natirasha, Dessew (L-1)

Natirasha (1): Humble Poirot (L-6)
Mario and the Diamonds (1): Mogamma (L-6)
notscience (2): artemiskitty, titus (L-5)
Not voting: Mario and the Diamonds

Deadline for Day One falls on: 9/23/13 which is (expired on 2013-09-23 19:00:00)

Mod notes:

~HP is being force-replaced per listmod order.
~Mogamma has around 9 hours left to respond to the prod
~I will extend the night deadline to find replacements if need be.
~Nacho thinks he's so cute, heh

Timestamp on these posts says otherwise.

You have yet to actively pursue any "scumreads" until the very last moment of the day.

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SoS, is that like a wiki thing?

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I really don't care for people commenting on my playing ability, tyvm.

Now that said-

VOTE: Titus

The end of yesterday looks overinformed as hell to me while also trying to setup a lynch on me. See me yesterday for other reasons.

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Why the fuck am I at L-2 2 fucking days into today.

Like what the real fuck

Titus's vote on me was the shittiest vote I've seen in forever, how are none of you seeing this obvscum?

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Mario's in my null purely due to low content.

I'm leaning Nati-town

And I'll get back to you once Prohawk has actually gotten some stuff posted.

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I'll provide a formal case for titus later tonight.

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THE TITUS CASE

Spoiler: Long

Now with Color!

Ok I've read the game. I like my slot's vote on Rail Tracer right now. His hostility towards answering questions about hydrae drew my attention. That to me screams scum and that he has one of the hydras as his buddy and that his stance will evolve as to how hydras should be treated as the game (and his hydra buddy) progress throughout the game.

HP screams town as fuck to me. I'm tempted to throw mud here or make a "too town" argument for the purpose of helping that slot survive.

Natirasha, that was either weird scum buddying or very pro town from you regarding which Titus comes out. I'll lean town on that but don't think I didn't notice that.

Sounds of Silence, what did you think was a slip? Why?


That's what I drew from a fast initial read through.

Initial comments, 3 reads, only one of which is scum.

Frankly, if I didn't comment on something awhile back, it did not stick out to me in the thread during my initial read.

I will reread again and go into detail on RT and DB.

SoS, I was looking at post 255. If you didn't think Rebel slipped, why did you vote for the slot?

Exhibit A- Fluff. Also, note the first line. Nothing else to comment on, other than 3 reads? Really?

I got a blind sheep. I am not liking that.

Fluff without making any other assertions about the alignment of said sheep.

Ok. I looked through DB's ISO and I don't like what I see. I am willing to hammer if the need arises but the lack of another train is bothering me. Either db was obvscum and the fellow scum are distancing or not wanting to start trains OR db is having a poor town game.

Rail Tracer's opening is scummh. The refusal to answer questions will almost always irk me unless the questions are pointless and loaded. I don't know where RT stands though. He also asks for reads early on. Bleh. I will put him at a null now but it is a generous null and I will read again in the morning. For now my vote remains as no one screams scum at me.

No scumreads? lololol. In here, Titus basically said that the RT scumread was PL-ish (oh that just annoys me). Here, Titus asserts something I already said, as well as say noone screams scum to her (while also saying she'll hammer DB).

I'm confused.

I can't make heads or tails of any reads in this game, no matter how much I try to reread. It's annoying.

Gun to your head. Name one town player and one scum player.

You mean like you've done- Oh wait! You only have 2 non-null reads at this point, and neither of them is a scumread!

Ok. I looked through DB's ISO and I don't like what I see. I am willing to hammer if the need arises but the lack of another train is bothering me. Either db was obvscum and the fellow scum are distancing or not wanting to start trains OR db is having a poor town game.

Rail Tracer's opening is scummh. The refusal to answer questions will almost always irk me unless the questions are pointless and loaded. I don't know where RT stands though. He also asks for reads early on. Bleh. I will put him at a null now but it is a generous null and I will read again in the morning. For now my vote remains as no one screams scum at me.

RT has zmuffin somewhere among the heads

Also, what strikes you as pointless and loaded may not correspond all that well to what someone else considers pointless and loaded, especially someone named zmuffin.

RT is one of my stronger town reads.

I don't really care who is the head of a hydra. I try to treat all players the same unless I know how to communicate with them. Somethings off about that slot to me. I'll figure it out later if I am right but for now my vote stays.

"somethings off"- most overused Scum fakeread excuse 2013.

I don't really care who is the head of a hydra. I try to treat all players the same unless I know how to communicate with them. Somethings off about that slot to me. I'll figure it out later if I am right but for now my vote stays.

This comment bothers me. I've been mulling it over ever since I first read it. I'm trying to see it in the context of Titus' style of play which is kind of personality-blind, but as an actual intentional strategy it seems wrongheaded in a few dozen ways.

I get the general strategy, personality independence as a bad strategy. It works for me usually. That doesn't mean I ignore history and what players know. I just try to be objective in all observations. Buddying me happens very rarely from those who play with me a lot for this reason.

I focus more on telling me what specific read is wrong and why rather than my strategy as a whole. WE can argue strategy or we can argue who is scum.

@Brian, were you saying Rebel misrepped DB?

Weird, I don't see you arguing anyone to be scum.

The above post appears to be a joke.

Will post something of substance later tonight.

This looks like a forced attempt for towncred. Like really.

You're dead, your vote does not count.

omg... i cannot believe you modkilled him for something like th-

The above post appears to be a joke.

oh, now i see what's going on.

jeez, had me fooled for a moment.

That is exactly why I posted the post above. I actually thought RT was dead a moment too. Given RT's reaction mirrored mine, I'd likely suspect he's town. He could have faked this (unlikely) but for now I'll move RT into nulltown.


That post was not fluff. I said more substantive content later but I intended that post to be helpful.

Responds to fluff accusation, vote is still on someone she has as nulltown (woo, that's 2.5 non-null reads and still no scum reads!)

SoS, I've had my concerns just because of the lack of a counterwagon but I don't have any problems with those voting DB. His reaction to my suggestion RT might be scum because of my gut feeling immediately caused a vote. Given we haven't played together, he shouldn't be sheeping my gut. DB also hasn't put up much of a defense himself. There's enough there to warrant hammering

back up intent to hammer

, I just was concerned because it was too easy.

I haven't played a lot with Fu. Usually I end up replacing into games he was in and left. I'll give you my playstyle in a nutshell. Look at the facts. See what is good and see what isn't. If I see something as off, I say something, even if I'm not sure what's causing me to feel that way. If I cannot get proof or disproof of what I'm feeling, I push it. I was just saying that RT felt off. Why are you supposing that DB and I this overarching plan? This makes me wonder whether you know that DB might flip scum and you're positioning my lynch in the event DB does flip scum.

Mario, you're willing to hammer a slot you haven't read and aren't sure is scummy? What the fuck?

Here, says she'll hammer DB and that she's fine with hammering him

NS, 1) I have not been fluffy. 2) My play has been the opposite of Amished. Fu voted rt. I liked the vote there. 3) I am not ignoring half the players.

I am down for an ns train. I still will hammer db if needed but I like ns scum too.

1 and 3 are both lies, and in this post she tries to setup a mislynch on me. Also no longer wants to hammer someone that a few posts ago "I'm fine to hammer" and wants to start pushing someone else

Dessew, your reasoning suggests you are starting from a premise, Titus is scum and working from there. It is normal for reads to change over time.

Ak's read depends on if ns is scum. If db flips town and ns flips scum, that slot will be near conftown.

VOTE: notscience

Will hammer db if needed when I go to bed. NS needs rope though.

Says I need rope without the slightest bit of pressure on my slot? Seems legit.

Her last post looked very much like "ugh I really really don't want to lynch him so I'll just sit my vote here"

eh, considering she said she'd hammer DB later, i don't really see this.

that said, i don't really understand the vote, since it's not like people are just gonna go, "oh fuck, yeah, totally see the light, let's disband the DB wagon!"

I am a stubborn bitch. I will pursue who I want lynched to hell or high water but lynch who I feel the need to when the time comes.

That's weird, she hasn't done this ALL GAME!

It's now. I am pushing NS to be lynched.

I have pushed to figure out RT's alignment and further draw attention to RT, NS. Please stop with the misreps. My fingers are tired of typing that word.

So now she has a scumread within days of a lynch?

@NS, my first substantive post and 513.

SoS, maybe some of the lurkers will vote ns. If no one votes him in an hour or so, I will resign to hammering db.

Why would she need lurkers to vote me? Because she can't convince the people who actually read the thread.

Yes that is me trying to figure out rt. Not to mention I have been in the game all of a day or two ns. Your argument is looking more like a strawman.

This is a lie and I've already covered that.

SoS, NS is "strawmanning" his allegation that I am not scumhunting. I point out where I was. He laughs it off. He's expecting something much deeper and inconsistent with gameplay on day one, especially from someone who just replaced in, or he's totally just rejecting anything I respond to his questions.

Here is just making excuses and trying to discredit all wrapped in one.

I'll take your word on those games. The biggest thing is all of those are nine player games. This has a lot more players to read, dynamics to interpret and posts to analyze. I'm thinking NS won't be satisified unless I put a huge wall with all the reasons that RT was scum. It's too early for that. No one has the content level for that, because it is day 1. I've just now gotten to the point where I have a major suspect, NS and I can push that tomorrow, because let's face it I'm not getting an NS lynch.

Again, all of your newbie games were very long with a lot of time and posts to figure things out. I'm not really having either so the comparison is apples to oranges, completely.

Here she basically ADMITS she wants to push me tomorrow and is trying to set up my lynch.

That's the point it's you. On Day 1, I find it impossible to be certain who is scum unless someone slips or fabricates a case out of thin air (like ns is doing). NS's case is that I'm not scumhunting is total bullshit. I don't have to be confident my suspects are scum in order to scumhunt. Day 1 to me is about laying the ground work, seeing who does what, and observing behavior. Generally, it is not ZOMG this person is so scum and I am so sure of it.

Hey look, more discredits and lies! There has been literally 0 scumhunting from Titus and yet she insists she has been all game.

Hammering in an hour and a half as I have a very full schedule tomorrow. Get your questions in now.

Fluff

VOTE: Daniel Bryan

Hammer.

i highly doubt dessew was perceived as a threat because of his suspicions. more likely PR hunting or something.

anyway, my pool of suspects today is {mario, mogamma, natirasha}. outside chance at titus and maaaaaaybe ns if someone can convince me, but these three i feel are most likely scum.

general question for anyone to answer: where's the scum on this wagon?

Daniel Bryan (7): Rebel Without a Pulse, Rail Tracer. Brian Skies, Sound of Silence, Natirasha, Dessew, Titus (LYNCH)

I can say though this post pinged a lot.

So you want people to answer this without answering it yourself. Seems like you are trying to see what people say in order to use that in the future for your benefit.

Your top three scum suspects are not

even

on this wagon so why are you asking others to answer it when you barely believe it yourself? You only stated Titus with hesitation, I might add.

Then you drill our slot to answer it after others ignored it.

I really like this post. I minimally read the opening of Day 2 but this post stood out. I usually suspect those who push questions that they don't answer.

Plus, I am surprised at the allegations of my coasting an being scum. My play has allowed for a lo of content, really at the end of day 1. The sudden switch by people suggests that NS really was scum and I am being setup. SoS's FoS is the only one that seems genuine.

VOTE: notscience

shocker, voting me D2! I wonder how I knew she'd do that! And she just admitted to coasting when she was adamant she was doing things yesterday. It's scum trying to pass off all the shit they're doing and appease us for fucks sakes.

This should be alarming. I read this and no less than three people have my slot as PoE scum. It is too damn early for PoE scum as we don't even have a flip. Is hat the best people do? Use your brains. That's a scum pushed train. Only scum have enough information to do a PoE right now.

As for ns, his slot is obvscum to me. I really don't understand how anyone reads him as town. His accusations at the end of the day were shit about not scumhunting despite attempting to get as much inormation as I could.

Cephir, you have a section on 777 regarding me and Natirasha. I didn't understand that point. You also have me as PoE scum but most of the things you hav from my slot suggest town.

Rail Tracer, why are you pressing so much on read fishing. I don't like that.

I like AK and ProHawk as town(not sure who he replaced but his posts seem town). I can see BS as scum with RT. I am near certain NS is scum. SoS is an uncomfortable null read. I will need to figure out that slot fast.

Look, we finally get reads! And lets look at these reads- I'm obvscum for pointing out why TItus is scum

AK and ProHawk are town to her!

And that's it.

Now, why is Titus scum?

1) Sitting through D1 with only 2.5 non-null reads until DAYS before the deadline where she tries to setup today's lynch on me

2) Fluffing incessantly while being adamant she's not(scum trying to look busy)

3) Contradicting herself by saying she's scumhunting and not fluffing and then admitting to coasting D2 in an attempt to appease.(scum trying not to let their lies blow up in their face)

4) Says she'll push scumreads, which conveniently haven't popped up until the near end of D1. She hasn't pushed people, she hasn't tried to "sort" anyone except RT.(because she already knows the scumteam...)

5) She's attempting to lynch me on the premise I called her out to be scum (which is where her initial scumread- HER ONLY STRONG SCUMREAD) came from.

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Bah I had a bold tag in there crap

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Wow. NS that "case" has a shit ton of misrepping.

1) My first post had three things that jumped at me. It was hardly an attempt to say I had sorted everyone. You purport it like I ignored the rest of the game.

Coasting, which you admitted to.

2) Post 482 is not fluff. Saying I'm unsettled by something is NOT fluff. It's saying something looks OFF to me and inviting others to comment to see if they see the same thing.

Lolnah.

3) NS again attempts to pursue that my posts are fluffy and that I'm ignoring players. Hardly.

2.5 Non-null reads D1. So no. And yes, they were.

4) You are saying there's no pressure on your slot. Yet, you feel the need to trump up a case on me.

HAlf the people voting me aren't even commenting on me. Of the two who are, it's you and AK. And now you're trying to discredit me presenting a case on you?...

5) Yes. I did admit I want to push my scum read tomorrow to get lynched. Somehow you argue that's scummy. I'm not setting up anything. I attempted as hard as I could to get you lynched. When I knew that wasn't happening, I gave the town information.

You didn't even attempt. You had no case. You had nothing. You just asked lurkers to vote me.

6) Basically, NS's theme is that I'm not scum hunting, not pushing my reads, and not doing anything. Hardly. NS is not liking where my observations lead me. His overreaction is telling. Virtually nothing he said was accurate.

Can we please get some votes on Titus-scum?

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Ffery why the fuck can't you see that Titus is scum

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You kinda dropped off the face of the planet. What's going on with you?

527's wagon and what happened after that.

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Literally noone responded to the case.

Why are you talking to me like you think I'm town?

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What do you want to talk about Nacho?

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Hawk, you should join our righteous cause and lynch titus-scum.

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My leaning-town is primarily due to 2 things

1- game experience/gut (I'm liking this for his towngame)

2- I don't see the possibility for a Titus-Nati scumteam.

Hawk can you explain what you mean? I don't really get how it's personality based.

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@Nacho

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<<missing stubbs

Titus-Nati scumteam.

So what happens if Nati flips scum? Do you drop the Titus scumread?

nati+titus+mario

Titus is where you lose me. I think Prohawk or Brian both make more sense for the middleman.

Why do you think Titus is town?

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Nacho I still want to know why you think Titus is town

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Nacho I still want to know why you think Titus is town

2- I don't see the possibility for a Titus-Nati scumteam.

Why don't you think Titus is town?

I do now.

But I asked you yesterday and never got an answer :/

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VT.

I think I was the last one.

Nacho can you please explain about Titus from the past few days?

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I am so confused right now.

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Yes.

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How closely have you been following the game, GIF?

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Okay.

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Hold the fucking phone.

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I want some time to work on my last reads, so my lynch isn't just a "nope not this one" lynch.

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What makes you think I still think she's scum?

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I'll get you guys my full reads tomorrow (@RT, these two flips have really shook things up for me)

And >.>

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Titus it's clearly Nacho.

I don't, I'm just wondering what made you think Titus town pre-Nati flip.

I'll get that list started in a few.

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Neverlynch
Nachokvm- duh
RT- duh
Prohawk- He's seemed the most pro-town out of everyone left. He hasn't been incessantly tunneling, he has been transparent (see: his response to my Titus case, his nati cases.
Titus- The interactions between Titus and Nati make it really unlikely they're scum together.
AK- They've spent most of the game tunneling me, and now that everyone is going after me, they're having reservations? Dunno, that's weird. I found the tunneling town, but the latter part is unnerving.
Beast- Nati's final post, as well as everyone else (except GIF) seems more town
GIF- Here's what gets me- GIF has a continuous townread on me the entire game, then when the lynch pool is limited to 4, I'm suddenly scum. It's a really weird transition, given how active he is in trying to get me mislynched now when he's spent majoriy of the game kinda lurky.
Scum

VOTE: GIF

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cop innocent didn't do anything for you?

What's the meta for Godfathers, nacho?

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Then allow me to answer mine and yours.

Godfathers lurk to draw an investigation.

Therefore, inno means nothing.

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Miller, godfather, cop, hider.

Cop gets innos/false positives on these.

Who can double check?

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Gl town.

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Regardless, I just got hammered.

Actually lynch scum tomorrow, mmkay?

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Tbh I really hoped that ns was town because I liked his new(?) Playstyle.

Me too :/

Im going to try it again

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;_;

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Lolololol dj

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Did noone read my swap in,reaction

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how 2 do better as scum