A uPick of Ice & Fire - Day 12 - #REKT?

[Benmage]

Vote Faraday

[Benmage]

Nah. Our RVS vote will go to

Vote: GoatonaRaft

because rafts kill people.

Are you gonna sign.

And when was the last time mafiassk played a game? Yes I could probably look this up. But blame Faraday.

[Benmage]

Vote: Benmage

Obviously.

Don't you dare question THE HAND.

SIEZE HIM

FARADAY!!!!!!! gdit

[Benmage]

**On

a more serious note, my familys going through somethings at the moment and my activity might suffer from it over the next few days. I've already informed the mod. Just an fyi.

[Benmage]

unvote vote Andrius

Spreads arms wide, give me a fucking break.. Even the mods said you don't make a post restriction that restricts a persons ability to play. Hell fuckin no. And I haven't read the 12 pages... hoping its not dense at least.

[Benmage]

^13 pages and we still wanna play RVS.

Good job Faraday .

[Benmage]

Hey thor, got a question if your still at thread?

[Benmage]

ave you considered if Andy was faking a post restriction he'd be more likely town, since scum tend towards being huge chickens who don't want to piss people off when they inevitably have to admit they can talk?

Meet game history on this game series by this mod -- history says otherwise.

????????????????????????????????????

spread arms wide this mod, WOULD NEVER DO THIS POST RESTRICTION... WTF!

[Benmage]

Gonna pre-empt Thor a little here and state when I have a role like miller, I always make sure to get the exact terms what my downside entails. For example, a question I would ask if I was a miller would be "if I was tracked, how would the track appear in relation to my miller downside?"

So you think that Thor had a conversation with the mods, and during that they revealed additional setup information?

Meh they mighta said something about character cops, or role cops revealing accurate results. Like if a role cop investigated him, he'd return miller.. not idno w/e...

Meh.

Anyone town enough for me to sheep.. havent read the 17 pages, doubt I will till the weekend, where it'll be what.. 30+?

[Benmage]

unvote vote quadz

You town Nauti?

[Benmage]

I think you are running up town. Care to help me find scum???

You read town... but your stupendous vote does have much worth sheeping...

[Benmage]

^doesn't**

[Benmage]

Well, I am not suggesting that since he's a universal miller and that since he's not, he's scum. I am suggesting his claim is bullshit.

The only thing that makes any sense so far, is that he would show up as miller to a role cop, and be town since scum-miller is lolzy. But then why say not regular cop, why not just be clear and say role-cop.

Character cop?

[Benmage]

I'm down for a D1 policy lynch. I don't get why Thor says site meta he's confirmed town??? Because he opened claiming.. so? Faraday himself has had scum partners open claiming miller, and then go onto win. So opening while, optimal site strategy (i guess in MD)... doesn't prove jack shit.

Its D1... lets do it.

unvote vote Thor

@Thor

why did you have Casso as a Upick, and was he your first pick?

[Benmage]

@Tammy

, what do you think of thor?

[Benmage]

I'm down for a D1 policy lynch. I don't get why Thor says site meta he's confirmed town???

I'm saying site meta is to treat me like confirmed town.
Which, you'll already note a decent pile of town, and probably most of the scum are already doing.
Probably one scum is going to be willing to lob his cantaloupes into the ring and push on me a bit - care to explain how I'm scum for claiming a belief about site meta?
I could use a laugh.

Oh, and I picked Casso because I wanted to be a Miller.
Obviously.

I think that Elle thing is town now.
Painfully newb, but at least unlike the other newbs here, managing to seep out some town vibes.
Paranoia is a hell of a drug.

Sort of want to lynch Benny or Zeddy now.
Benny manages to make very slightly less sense than Zeddy - and that takes some doing.

Unvote: Elli-alaphabet
Vote: Benmage

I may be down with the ooba lulz wagon, but I'll admit the copping to the misrep actually feels townish. Ooba is certainly skilled enough that might be a feint to the growing pressure...but my gut kind of says town on that one too, so I think we can do better.
Let's lynch Benny for lulz, I like to lynch him Day 1 anyway.

Where does site meta say to treat you as confirmed town? For claiming D1??? I just fucking showed that is idiotic logic.
-I'm calling you scum for you're zomgconftown push.
--You are far from conftown, Do I ever care what the peasants think? I'm the Hand for a reason.

-You picked Casso because you wanted to be a Miller.
--Refresh my memory, in asoif how is Casso the logical Miller choice? Moreover Faraday made it quite clear characters don't determine alignment, as someone just said, scum miller.

-Why do you want me lynched/think I'm scum?

[Benmage]

Where does site meta say to treat you as confirmed town? For claiming D1??? I just Smurfing showed that is idiotic logic.

Sweet - I never claimed it was logical, all I said was it was site meta to do so.
My evidence is in this thread.
But feel free to go and find me a Day 1 Miller claim where the Miller claimed as part of their first post and was then lynched anytime in the next three days.
I'll wait.

I asked for this site meta... Can you show it?

-As far I knew, site meta is for you to claim opening post. Check. Then again, from what I recall is to simply treat you as any other player and go off of your play. NOT have you as confirmtown by any means whatsoever. Also for sometime following KK's infamous fake miller gambit win, meta was to lynch millers on site. Which I fucking agree with, and rather just yell at mods for being fucking pricks. Jesters Godfathers Cops... I thought this was a game of logic and wits, not random dice rolls.

ZZZ FARADAY

.

-What inthread evidence? You saying its site meta.. thats not evidence.. I want the MD discussion that popular opinion has somehow shifted to treating miller claims as conftown. I mean thats mindfuckingly stupid. You yourself agree its not logical... so why the fuck even follow it?

-I'm calling you scum for you're zomgconftown push.
--You are far from conftown, Do I ever care what the peasants think? I'm the Hand for a reason.

So, I'm scum because...I think my role is confirmable and an unlikely scum claim?
Brilliant...?

Pretty much yes. It is day one..I think you're the type of player fully capable of trying to gambit miller claim. What awe inspiring case you looking for?
Why am I scum again?
Brilliant...?

-And confirmable, role means what as far as alignment goes... thats right zilch. Hence your agrenda to force conftown yourself reads scummy.

-You picked Casso because you wanted to be a Miller.
--Refresh my memory, in asoif how is Casso the logical Miller choice? Moreover Faraday made it quite clear characters don't determine alignment, as someone just said, scum miller.

He is the king of all his peoples and the most beloved king of any king in the series.
Yet, people don't give him the respect he deserves.
Sad really.

King of what... Seals... I don't even remember him from the series (I've read em all)... and his wiki is practically non-existent.

Yet you picked Casso with the predetermined idea that you'd get the Miller role, and you did get the Miller role.

I'M CALLING SHENANIGANS.

(Also Thor what 4 other requests did you send, and was Casso your first pick, or first named?)

[Benmage]

I havent read much of anything....

What am I missing?

[Benmage]

...benmage

-.-

What are the likelihood that you took that seriously as town vs taking the opportunity to push that as scum? I'm leaning the former, actually, but seriously... -.-

Sarcasm is tech.

Thor isn't a miller??

Can we not be so vague... I haven't really had the opportunity to read the 20 pages.

Or what sarcasm am I missing? internetsarcamisreallyhardtosee

[Benmage]

Why are we fucking 22 pages into the game and still acting like children.. Now I remember why I took a Haitus from mafia... the level of play is pathetic.

[Benmage]

I have this pocket wind-up Benmage for entertainment purposes. I'll bring him out tomorrow.

013s talking shit.

this site...*sigh*

[Benmage]

I'm down for a D1 policy lynch. I don't get why Thor says site meta he's confirmed town??? Because he opened claiming.. so? Faraday himself has had scum partners open claiming miller, and then go onto win. So opening while, optimal site strategy (i guess in MD)... doesn't prove jack shit.

Its D1... lets do it.

unvote vote Thor

@Thor

why did you have Casso as a Upick, and was he your first pick?

what

no

why

this is stupid

Are you familiar with any past Miller gambits?

[Benmage]

Benmage: Trying to barge into a thread and establish comftown dominance seems like something people do here in general? Arguing that Thor is attempting the miller gambit because Thor claimed miller and.. that's it, makes you sound like a tinfoil hat conspiracy theorist.

It's not that he claimed Miller... its that he claimed Miller, and said its site Meta to treat him as conftown now... Which is total bullshit. That is why I am voting him. (albiet It wouldn't take much to persuade me to ever PL a miller D1... Fuck mods, and D1 is D1)

Is there something Thor's doing that's actually scummy for him?

See above.

benny are you always like this

Like what? Annoyed at having my time wasted? Yes. Annoyed at players thinking it's funny to joke when you're genuinely trying to understand the game.. and I don't know trying to do something to progress the game further a long. Yes... Annoyed at having Noones who don't have the mafia capacity, experience or knowledge of an infant talking down to me... Yeah, its comically bad. But I guess that's where people have regressed too. How many people even mentioned KK's Miller Gambit. How many of the 013's even know Scum have claimed miller and won several times. There's a reason I'm good. I've fucking seen everything, but even mentioning that and being annoyed at Thor playing games is a Cardnial Sin.. Than I'll be fine with sitting around twiddling thumbs and hoping Cops win the game for us like this generation does. There's no playing mafia anymore... just Roles and mods, and corpses.

[Benmage]

I have this pocket wind-up Benmage for entertainment purposes. I'll bring him out tomorrow.

013s talking shit.

this site...*sigh*

You're cute when you let them get to you. Site age isn't a measure of competence. What's the problem with Syryana, Benedick?

Maybe it carries over from RL, and how pathetic our generation tends to be. I'm 26, so I'm referring to my generation and also really 17-30 (lil bros 19), there's just no morals, respect, or class anymore... IRL... so then having people here, who are new who don't even have a clue what they're talking about pretend like I'm the dimwitted one, only reinforcing shit behavior from Thor, is frustrating. I like playing at a high level, and have little patience for newbs. I never IC for a reason.

[Benmage]

benmage is being incredibly thick and my Lynch For Being A Dumbass trigger is itching to get pulled

1) Have scum successfully fakeclaimed miller and won. Yes
2) Did Thor misuse site meta, and come in way to high and mighty that he's conftown. Yes
3) Pet peeve, but did Thor act "cutesy".. for zero benefit of the game. Yes

So where am I being thick? For providing information that might not be known to this generation. For saying Thor does have the balls to do a gambit like this. Find me a better D1 angle to pursue.

But yeah.... let's not try to analyze to much, god forbid we use our brain... Better to just piggy others statements and write it off.

[Benmage]

3) is so utterly irrelevant to the game that to use it as part of a handy framework for pushing your Thor suspicion is disingenuous. Tell me, do you think it's a natural thought process as scum to go "hey, I'll claim miller ... ooh, and I think I could make myself look townier by incorrectly claiming that nobody will lynch me because of site meta"? For your theory to have any basis in scumhunting, that has to be the question, and the answer is obviously no.

Meanwhile, newsflash: Every time you whine about how much better at everyone else at this game you are, this is what I read:

ZDENEK is now immune from being lynched for today. Should he reach majority you will default to no lynch.

And even if you were saying something of useful scumhunting value, good luck getting anyone to pay attention to it while you're acting so aggressively superior.

My point is there's zero reason for the peanut gallery.

Question, where's the protown aspect of Thor incorrectly claiming on purpose? Him trying to make a mockery of us pursuing his claim.... Yeah I can see scum doing that.

NEWSFLASH: I knew something wasn't adding up that game. And guess what I was right, *spread arms wide*... what I did had zero outcome on the game..

Cause noones vigged town or anything.

And you question why I get frustrated bringing that joke of an undermine up... come on lol... zzzz

[Benmage]

The point you take from that should not be "THEREFORE GOAT THINKS THOR INCORRECTLY CLAIMED META FOR TOWN REASONS", it should be "therefore Thor must genuinely believe what he's saying about site meta because there is no reason for either alignment to attempt to hoodwink an entire game with made-up site meta". At best, you have found an idiot. Most likely, you have found someone who has played in different games to you and got his own impression of what happens here.

In your point you seemed to have difficulty understanding a scum perspective for his actions. Well I provided a possibility, and shit I don't put anything past players and the wacky gambits that have occurred, or what they might be thinking... Don't tell me you dont see dumb shit in every game. IF him being "cutesy" is standard operating Thor procedures, than OF COURSE he'd try and mimic such behavior in a fake miller gambit. So my theory isn't some crazy conspirator idea, but has sound reasoning behind it.

-He himself agrees the logic to write a miller claim off as conftown doesn't add up. I ask him for a meta reference.. he gives me the ropeadope.. and I'm the jackass .

I don't even know what the vigging thing is about but, if you're offering yourself as a target, please carry on.

I'll try and go slower next time.

[Benmage]

***Everyone

mocked DGB for attacking Cow for *spread arms wide*... now who are the morons?

[Benmage]

So now we're up to the stage of "well, it

could

be a gambit, therefore it is". You're saying that behaviour which is normal for him, which he is either doing genuinely in this game or done a fine impression of him doing genuinely in this game, is a reason to lynch him. If you want to lynch him solely because he claimed miller, just say as much.

How many times must I say... I find him scummy not for his claim, but rather the way he auto-confirmed himself town. Him not referencing his "site meta"... but choosing to be cutesy, isn't helping even if that is status quo. But again... not his claim... THE WAY HE CLAIMED!!!!

***Everyone

mocked DGB for attacking Cow for *spread arms wide*... now who are the morons?

My point is not that you're a special kind of moron. My point is that you're just as much of a moron as the rest of us so kindly get down off your high horse.

Of course I was including myself in attacking DBG, and being confounded by Cow.

Have I initiated any of this? Or am I responding to the peanut gallery, and people pulling in past game nonsense...

But I have the bully rep, so it is what it is..



Anywhose, I am gonna go step away get some food... I'll try ignoring the

peons

arrogant beginners

new players for you Tierce.

I still haven't read most of the first 20 pages ... Eventually.

[Benmage]

Are we really going to play the join date elitism game in this thread? I'd be willing to bet join date is not statistically significant for anything except possibly being mislynched D1. Most 2013s are probably better scumhunters than me. So kindly take that argument and [redacted for decency].

Okay, thats not what I meant (and old players who barely play 1-2 times a year... dont really count).. I got hooked, and was speaking in generalities. Yes Tierce new players can be good. But obviously thats more the anomaly then the norm. Simply because mafia is a complex game, our site there's a learning curve. Do you want someone straight out of med school operating on you, or someone whose done the procedure a thousand times... Thats all my point is, whether you think Im good or not, or like me or not.. I've been around the block.

Anywhoseee sorry for getting hooked I am going thru a bit and at my wits end. I think I've properly beaten this horse.

[Benmage]

-He himself agrees the logic to write a miller claim off as conftown doesn't add up. I ask him for a meta reference.. he gives me the ropeadope.. and I'm the jackSmurf .

You'll note I also asked you to provide meta, and you gave me an equivalent ropeadope - so that's a pretty weak backhand coming from you.
If we want to do this seriously one of us would need to dig up all the Miller claims for the past year and examine them.
I'm personally never going to do that - but I bet I'm dead right about what went down with the majority of them.
That's what makes it site meta.

I missed you requesting me to provide source material. I did specifically mention that our mod himself, successfully had a partner as scum fake claim miller. I also referenced which I'm sure you must be aware of the infamous KK fakemiller claim, win. I asked you for specifics... not to check every miller claim on site, but just where your version may have stemmed from.

So that has been my point... That being Miller in no way confirms you town.

Are you merely saying now, that claiming miller will just make you a subject of disagreement and therefore be tough to lynch? Cause I agree there, but that's not the first impression I got. Is this the case?

[Benmage]

I didn't realize by saying that my slightly oddball role strongly indicated I was town when I invited any non-regular cop to check and confirm me as town.

How would confirming you "role" confirm your alignment?

[Benmage]

Ceph, that in no way changes the fact that Thor could be fakeclaiming miller.

So yeah... judge him on his play has still be my statement. I guess the "auto-confirm town" was a joke, and I didn't see that.

henceinternetsarcasmishardtoreadandyesthoryoushouldusetags

[Benmage]

Well, I am not suggesting that since he's a universal miller and that since he's not, he's scum. I am suggesting his claim is bullshit.

The only thing that makes any sense so far, is that he would show up as miller to a role cop, and be town since scum-miller is lolzy. But then why say not regular cop, why not just be clear and say role-cop.

Character cop?

I don't see how that would confirm him as town Ben.

I was thinking of gunsmith as a possibility though.

I didn't say that to clear him as town. I don't think he is town. My statement was in response to you asking why say not regular cop...ie things outside of standard cops.. Role cop would be miller, Name cop would be whatever his characters name is.. thats what I meant with character cop... 2 things which do not confirm alignment... Just saying other cop variants.

(hope thats making sense, suffered a concussion today at rugby )

[Benmage]

^What shit "slip" reasoning.

[Benmage]

And since we love site meta.. doesn't MD agree most 'slips' are from town not scum.

[Benmage]

Do they? I've never seen it discussed, personally.

I don't see why you have issue with me using the slip as a connective tell in regards to the defense from it but aren't saying much to the people voting players based off it.
Or is your theory that I'm Safety's scumbuddy and this is a desperate attempt to get some good from his fast approaching lynch?
Because neither stance seems that well reasoned and I sort of feel like you're being belligerent for the sake of belligerence...what's your angle here?

There's 2 people voting off it... not very impressed with it either.. but why the Deflection?
-As for theory, I know as scum I love drawing town connections to my scum partners, so yeah if a flip does happen you can paint someone else negatively.
--Especially since its shitty reasoning to suspect Safety, but if Safety does flip scum for other reasoning... trying to draw this as a connective tell is simply shit.

[Benmage]

Benmage- attacked Andy for the PR, Thor for claiming miller, now defending SD as not having slipped. I'd like to see a reads list from him, because these are all things that scum would worry about if they

aren't good at faking scumhunting.

someone doesn't know me very well

[Benmage]

@Syryana

do you have any completed scum games on this site? IF so can you tell me which?

[Benmage]

There's 2 people voting off it... not very impressed with it either.. but why the Deflection?
-As for theory, I know as scum I love drawing town connections to my scum partners, so yeah if a flip does happen you can paint someone else negatively.
--Especially since its Smurfy reasoning to suspect Safety, but if Safety does flip scum for other reasoning... trying to draw this as a connective tell is simply Smurf.

Well...I did the deflection because I think it is a quite reasonable question. I had committed the least "crime" of your stated issue...yet was the only one attacked. Why not just answer why this was as opposed to deflecting my question by accusing me of deflection

Functionally you just did as much connection between me and him as I did between Nacho and him...so why is what I did an issue?

I agree that I don't like the case...that said, my connective tell was not based on the name thing, rather it was based on their reaction to the name thing. I made that fairly clear I thought. Does your issue with me work with that, or are you taking my stance as totally different?

Thank you for yielding your scummy ways.

In what capacity did I not answer your question?

-I wholly disagree with your drastic conclusion that what you said and what I said are anywhere near similar.
As far as I was concerned, you connected a "slip" as a scum read, and wanted to lynch the person the slip is about as the next lynch if the first were to flip scum. I said the first may flip scum, but such a flip would have no reflection upon the second person, whom you wanted to see hung.... Whats the word...

'lining up lynches'

if you will.

So since I seem to be confused by which connective tell you were using, please quote for me the Naut post you had issues with, and break down why this gave you a connective scum tell for me... as if I were a 5 year old (I simply hate ambiguity, see above confusion). Thank you.

[Benmage]

In what capacity did I not answer your question?

You still haven't explained why I, a person you assumed was attacking over the slip, got attacked whilst two other players who specifically were attacking over the slip were not.

Incorrect.

I attacked you for trying to tie connections to a "slip".. not for believing the slip itself, or attacking the person for whom made the supposed slip.
-And I said I was unimpressed with their votes... did you want more?:

There's 2 people voting off it...

not very impressed with it either

.. but why the Deflection?

-I wholly disagree with your drastic conclusion that what you said and what I said are anywhere near similar.
As far as I was concerned, you connected a "slip" as a scum read, and wanted to lynch the person the slip is about as the next lynch if the first were to flip scum. I said the first may flip scum, but such a flip would have no reflection upon the second person, whom you wanted to see hung.... Whats the word...

'lining up lynches'

if you will.

Which is nothing like you saying that I'm lining up lynches does with your read of me if he flips scum?
It's the same sort of thing except you're using a different weak connection than the one you feel I'm using.
I don't think either is intrinsically scummy - but the double standard from you is.
What am I missing here?

My desire to see you lynched, does not revolve around the flipping of someone else, or first, or anything of that matter. Whereas you’re assertion required the first person to flip scum, and then desired the second lynched via your connective tell.

So since I seem to be confused by which connective tell you were using, please quote for me the Naut post you had issues with, and break down why this gave you a connective scum tell for me... as if I were a 5 year old (I simply hate ambiguity, see above confusion). Thank you.

I didn't connect them to you - what are you talking about?
I did say you connected us to them...is that what you mean? For that - you did it yourself, so I have no idea why you need me to quote it.

As far as the post I had issues with, it was Posts 834-835 on this page; http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... &start=825
The way both of them denied it in weaksauce ways wherein one was like "But Elli hasn't even been in the QT" which is not a defense, and the guy who *did* nameslip about Elli points out he has only ever played with Elli once, which seems to strengthen the value of the slip tell, not weaken it/ Both were too worked up over it, making me feel there is something there.

-I didn't say you connecting anything to me, what are you talking about?
-I connected what to you? You said, following the slip that you wanted to lynch Nautilus pending a scum flip. NOONE ELSE MADE THIS CONNECTION. HENCE I SAID YOU were lining up lynches. While those players may have drawn those conclusions later, who knows... you JUMPED at it to connect Naut. Hence I disliked your connection, because slip or no that person might flip scum. And like I said when I'm scum, drawing connections between town players to my scum partners is a 1-0-1 move.


The circular-ness of this is baffling… I feel like you’re just trying to dance around the issue, and be purposely dense.

You Tried connecting Naut, or lined up lynches, how ever you want to word it to someone who might flip scum for some bullshit “slip”. Period.

You are scum.

[Benmage]

Errr... ^Scum for response.

Either way, safetydance may flip scum, and I disliked you tying Naut to that flip.

[Benmage]

In what capacity did I not answer your question?

You still haven't explained why I, a person you assumed was attacking over the slip, got attacked whilst two other players who specifically were attacking over the slip were not.

Incorrect.

I attacked you for trying to tie connections to a "slip".. not for believing the slip itself, or attacking the person for whom made the supposed slip.

Um...that's *exactly* what they're doing, except they're buying into it enough to vote, and I'm only buying into it enough to agree that if he flips scum I'd want to lynch the other one.

So you're fence sitting.

Also, something else just occured to me - you claim there is no connection element to your case...but then claim what I'm doing is scummy because I'm lining up a lynch based on a scum flip that will happen...which REQUIRES me to know that will be a scum flip, hence I need to be scumbuddies with him to be scum perpetrating the plan you claim I'm perpetrating.

Justify this now pl0x.

Where's the issue?

I don't have an issue with drawing scum connections.

But you Publicly stated If X (safetydance) flips scum Lynch Y(naut)... For what appeared to be just some shit "slip"... not what you now claim to be their responses. (which is still meh reasoning. You didn't like their explanations.. He mad a human error... but you jump to the scum, verse being a

humen

...because such misnomers don't occur in every game )

I don't have an issue with drawing scum connections, albeit its not the smartest thing to do D1.

But yes, I think it possible you're scum looking to tie Naut to a scum buddy of yours, whenever he may flip you can on some future day go

yayayaya the slip too! zomg he is scum zomg lynch lynch

.

[Benmage]

So you're fence sitting.

Not that I'm aware of, I cited a specific instance and what I would do because of it, and noted my supporting evidence. If you can describe the opinion I'm fence-sitting that might help me respond to the accusation - but I'm pretty sure you're flat out wrong and just slinging mud in an exasperated whine now.

You still really havn't addressed how the two players who are making the same connection I am making, yet moreso, didn't get attacked.
Unless the reason is now that I was being 'fencey' and thus am more scummy for that...?

I have said I'm not impressed with either of their votes... whats there to s.p.e.l.l. out? That they're voting for some shit "slip".. when slips are 99.9% from town... what else is there to cover??? You just keep going, them them them!

-Fence-sitting insofar as you believe the "slip" presumably existed, that connected these two players together, then continued the connection via their responses... then allocated that if the first flips scum, you're down to lynch second... concluding that there must be overwhelming connective evidence, eliminating the possibility of chance that the first person was simply just scum. YET you didn't vote. I.E. Fence-sitting.

But you Publicly stated If X (safetydance) flips scum Lynch Y(naut)... For what appeared to be just some Smurf "slip"... not what you now claim to be their responses.

No?
Because in the very post I said that I specifically included the commentary about their responses.
Quote it and try to bold that - if you can't find it I'll do so for you.
But this is really bad and weaksauce.
What the heck?
At least I have faith you didn't go back and look at the quote, because claiming this is provably wrong, so you honestly believed this gak was right...meh, not even alignment helpful though.

Ya, put it down chronologically for me.

[Benmage]

I don't have an issue with drawing scum connections, albeit its not the smartest thing to do D1.

But yes, I think it possible you're scum looking to tie Naut to a scum buddy of yours, whenever he may flip you can on some future day go

yayayaya the slip too! zomg he is scum zomg lynch lynch

.

Which is, again, a scum connection, and continually begs the question why we're having this debate.
it's either you being pissy or you being scum...or possibly both.
none of it is very helpful - are you getting somewhere with all of this?
Because I feel like someone is throwing feather pillows at me screaming 'Burn you Fool!' and acting like it's relevant.

This has been one facet of why you're scum stretched into a long tangent. AGAIN one facet as to why you are scum.

Its comical you trying to dismiss the entirety of this argument because town can draw connections.. Great! So can scum.

Lets never consider lurking a scum tell/ buddying/ deflection/ OR ANYTHING because OMFG town can do it.

Most scumtells are situational, and I've never had an issue being a black pot calling a kettle black....many minor scumtells must be viewed together as a whole, weighing everything together to draw proper connections. The amount of coming from you has tipped the scales heavily toward scum.

[Benmage]

@Thor

who are your current top 3 scum reads/top 3 town reads... maybe a bullet why to please.

[Benmage]

*yawn*

[Benmage]

unvote vote ooba

bloooooood

[Benmage]

oh wait,

unvote vote thor

[Benmage]

^Says scum.

[Benmage]

errr there was no pdeit.. that was to thor.

[Benmage]

Brilliant rebuttal of my position.

Rebutting some subjective undermining jive .

I could've said "blue" in response to your useless nonsense, and it would have been better than the mud you espouse.

[Benmage]

Thor is not someone i want lynched today.

Why?

[Benmage]

Thats easy. Thor is not someone i want lynched today. SafetyDance either.

unvote. Vote: Garruk

Those of you who think im town and are on single vote wagons would do well to consolidate.

See, this is my problem with you. You don't give full explanations on votes. And with this vote all you said was that we were scum. In 56 pages, you should have more reasons. For all of your votes.

Unvote, vote Ooba

-SSK

Cause all the ooba votes are thoroughly explained, huh?

[Benmage]

MOD

is the Thor/Zdenek vote on Amrun only 1, or a mod error?

[Benmage]

There's way more to Thor, than Policy Lynching him for Miller.

A)Miller claim
B) His auto-town assertion in his claim
C) His bullshitting well into the game about his claim verse being open and truth full.. we're the uniformed, we cant be playing games.
D) His repetitive deflection
E) Fence-sitting/lining up lynches.

Its a great D1 lynch if you ask me. Wayyy to many question marks surrounding that slot.

[Benmage]

Tammy tammy tammy.. smh... When you gonna evolve past low hanging fruit for D1?

You're better than this.

[Benmage]

I can't wait till we rush this lynch!! *awaits eagerly*

[Benmage]

No more Benmage handholding.

WHy Safety Dance at all?

[Benmage]

Lol, if you wont lynch a miller claim then you wont run up me. Unless, double-standards!

Anyway if you do, prefer it to be after dinner. Claim then if needed.

With less than 24 hours to deadline and you twice the wagon than anyone else... logic says claim. Especially with this shitty sneakpreview.

FYI, noone voted Thor because he claimed Miller. Nor is anyone not voting him because he claimed miller..... That would be idiotic. People aren't voting him for totally separate idiotic reasons.

[Benmage]

I don't care what you are. Good fucking riddance.

Ohhhhh Faradayyyyy

Did you balance for this?

[Benmage]

Now where have I said, that the leading evolution of a player his their ability to rescind a heavy tunnel, when they finally realize the person they're tunneling on is town.
-Meh here works...

Tammy hit that epiphany... but has yet to evolve.

[Benmage]

No Sdance,

leave it on thor.

Might as well policy the Miller, than the town JoAt.

[Benmage]

Gods I hope you flip scum because if this is your town game, or if this is what you think mafia is, I'm just going to scream.

Have you attempted to breakdown what he's doing as logical scum play?

Town have the whimsical don't give a fuck attitude.

He couldn't be more town, ITS FUCKING HILARIOUS.

Seriously, a NO lynch Is better than lynching obvtown JoAT.

[Benmage]

Tierce... how haven't you changed vote yet..

[Benmage]

People never agree with me in not dragging days out... Lets see if we can fix this abysmal course of actions with 18 hours to go.

GOODLUCK TOWN. People will have real life excuses, and scum can hide amongst those.

THOR LYNCH is still a GO! (we also don't waste any more claims here, FYI)

Thor case:

There's way more to Thor, than Policy Lynching him for Miller.

A)Miller claim
B) His auto-town assertion in his claim
C) His bullSmurfing well into the game about his claim verse being open and truth full.. we're the uniformed, we cant be playing games.
D) His repetitive deflection
E) Fence-sitting/lining up lynches.

Its a great D1 lynch if you ask me. Wayyy to many question marks surrounding that slot.

F)The continual downplaying of the shit he did to not make it look as scummy as it is.

[Benmage]

Have you attempted to breakdown what he's doing as logical scum play?

Not logical scum play but posts in Page 65 read as emotional scum going "This is what you're lynching me for?". Blaming "meta" and the "Policy lynch" reply to quads.

His complete mockery of the situation is towntelling as fuck.

[Benmage]

@EMpire

You need to vote Thor STAT.

Tierce has unvoted SDance. (soon to vote Thor)

Tammy will unvote once she evolves a bit more.

Time is of the essence, and they will follow you.

[Benmage]

AHEM Garruk

Thor case!

[Benmage]

Tammy, if you read this, you need to seriously step away for a bit and calm down. This reminds me exactly of how mad I got at Saki in Xenologue to the point where I ended up not giving a shit about the dude's alignment and that ended up at least partially contributing to the loss there. Regfan went and pointed out every single one of Saki's towntells after it was over and I felt like an idiot (well, to a point).

SafetyDance just flat out isn't scum and I think you'll be able to see that once you go over this recent stuff again.

???

SD is doing everything he can to survive while depriving the town of as much information as possible <----scum mindset

Wrong.

He full claimed a WEAK role. Scum don't do that D1. They go zomg you can't lynch me I'm GOD!

I'll be content with an endgame I told you so.

[Benmage]

Same thoughts on the reaction. It's especially the "I told you so" attitude. Why wouldn't he claim a role he thought had a better chance of escaping the lynch? Doesn't make sense, he doesn't seem like the kind of scum player who would do that as an extra layer of WIFOM.

I think Thor is Town--the stuff he's been accused at is the kind of thing he does regardless of alignment. Not voting there unless we need that vote by deadline.

Thoughts on Messiah Complex? 1671 bothers me, he's not looking deeply enough.

Damnit! thats what I just said.

Its the ninth hour... we don't have dillydallying time. Miller claims are always thorns in games, that cant live lategame... and this way we dont suffer anymore D1 claims.

In the words of Spock, it is most Logical.

[Benmage]

^Inexperinced town tell breaking thru
pdeit:damnit^forMC

[Benmage]

Mere hours from deadline and people are squandering. .

Thor should be advocating his own lynch at this point if he were town... Millers cant live to endgame period. But alas hes scum.

So lets get a last minute no lynch huzzzah waiting for deadlines! (Internetsarcasmstrikesagain)

[Benmage]

Ive gone the LaL path..

the lynch Vi path..

the lynch those not playing...

you end up lynching half the players on the site.

[Benmage]

^Looks like a no lynch. Good job.

[Benmage]

Ceph

There is NO time for this nonsense.

[Benmage]

3 Hours

[Benmage]

Whose worse, this town or the US govt.

[Benmage]

Blame the government... it makes life simpler.

Blame the mod.... it makes life simpler.

*spread arms wide* stem from mods inserting Post Restrictions, which aide creative scum who have a better idea of the game setup.

Scum miller claims, stem from mods using the Miller role. Which?? aide creative scum who have a better idea of the game setup.

tl/dr. Blame Faraday.

[Benmage]

FYI Thor

miller claim is on Page 13.... plenty of time to make sure no real miller claiming in their OP, as optimal strategy suggests, thus limiting the chances of a counter-claim.

[Benmage]

Then switch kkb, place it l-3.. Ceph should return... I think Tammy is floating about.

You don't have the garruk votes.

MAKE THE MVOE PLEASE god

its 2 1/2 hours out!

[Benmage]

Yeah and with 2 1/2 hours.. your option is NL or Thor.

Opting for NL is disgraceful.

There is clearly no ooba lynching happening in 2 hours, if it hasn't happened yet and we are struggling for 2 freaking thor votes.

I mean.... pa-the-tiC

[Benmage]

Tammy its D1, I'd die before a NL.

Chess, figure it out tomorrow.

2ish hours

Next time try consolidating earlier... grab people by collars.. yeesh everyone's panties jump into a bunch when I try and hardnose the game.. And when I don't we rival the US govt.

[Benmage]

Shadows votes on thor, if he was scum he'd probably unvote in conjunction with that i-dot statement.

[Benmage]

Well we had a wagon going on safety dance that fell to Thor and Garruck when safetydance "town told"

The Garruck wagon was comically bad. It would've been a horrendous speedlynch. Now if we got off Sdance a few days a go because people stopped twiddling their own isolated agendas, we could've had time to analyze Garruk.

[Benmage]

Probably.... I like making fun of good players that act poorly.

No town should go to 2 hours to a deadline. Period.

[Benmage]

I'll give a lesson in how to achieve a lynch later in the game.

[Benmage]

I gotta go work...

I hope people realize he's STILL L-3!

WE NEED 3 VOTES

to lynch with 2 hours to go.

[Benmage]

Yeah, I think Benmage and like one other person took it seriously, but that's about it.

Hells ya I did. And uhh I'll read later.

[Benmage]

Benmage, why are you not in here pontificating about how amazing you are right now owning that massive fuckup of a clear and obvious mislynch?

That lynch was a clear success. Get better.

[Benmage]

vote PrideandJoy

[Benmage]

Benmage, why are you not in here pontificating about how amazing you are right now owning that massive fuckup of a clear and obvious mislynch?

That lynch was a clear success. Get better.

No. If you're town, you played bad.
So did I.

By getting rid of a thorn in the game, with 18 hours to go.. when everyone else was headless chickens... I call that a success.

[Benmage]

I agree with Stupendousman.. elle looked fine.

[Benmage]

I don't think scum, would need to hide in the millerscum identity... town millers take care of themselves.

[Benmage]

I don't think scum, would need to hide in the millerscum identity... town millers take care of themselves.

[Benmage]

vote messiah complex

[Benmage]

This game doesn't not have enough bodies for nearing 90 pages.

*yawn* (insert zzzz's here for benmage guide..

hi faraday

... kill someone please)

[Benmage]

^Err one too many negatives.

[Benmage]

unvote vote Amrun

Blood porfavor.

[Benmage]

vote kkb

WK

[Benmage]

I love how comically bad chesskid is.

Take over 40% of the remaining players in a game with zero flipped scum... and say there's scum there.

NO SHIT SHERLOCK.

LOOK I've narrowed the entire scum team into this pool:
Alfred Borden (Empire/Llamarble)
Andrius AGar
Benmage
Cephrir
elleheathen
Garuk Relentless (Natarisha/MafiaSSK)
Goat on a Raft (Channeldelibird/AurorusVox)
kanyeknowsbest
Messiah Complex (Desperado/Formerfish)
Nautilius (Nacho/Ellibereth)
ooba
PeaceBringer, displaced Spyrex
Prideandjoy(chesskid3/ActionDan)
quadz08
SafetyDance
Shadoweh
StupendousMan
The Alchemist
Tammy
Tierce
Zdenek

[Benmage]

How many scum do you think are in the game?

[Benmage]

Oh right... But then again, that doesn't account for 3rd party.

@Ooba... too much effort for my point.

[Benmage]

Hey

ActionDan

mind giving a bullet each explaining those scum reads?

[Benmage]

I meant it doesn't distinguish.

As in there's 6 nontown in the game... But is it 5 scum team? 6 man scumteam? 4 man??? two 3 mans? That's what I meant.

He's lumping the 'whole' scum team into that group.

[Benmage]

I can dig agar scum.

unvote vote Agar

[Benmage]

@quadz

who are your top 3 scum right now?

[Benmage]

AD,

Who do you HAVE as scum than?

[Benmage]

@quadz

who are your top 3 scum right now?

Ooba, Spyrex, Nautilius.

Could you do a quick bullet why for each?

[Benmage]

Fuck it. We can do both, let's do both.

Vote: Spyrex

Why did you wait to use this ability?

[Benmage]

Why did you wait to use this ability?

We decided that we would wait in order to avoid giving scum a reason to nightkill us early on, given that the ability could be pretty useful and we're pretty keen on being alive (for this head at least, it would suck if we died before the numbers thinned out a bit). If one of us had been around late Yesterday like we'd meant to/before a lynch happened, it's possible we'd have decided to break it out then. On the other hand, we might have waited longer if we had had more scumflips before Today.

Having not been online when the Amrun lynch happened, we came into Today with fresh deathrage towards both Agar and Spyrex. The urge to whip it out became overwhelming. We're out, we're proud, we have two votes. LOCK 'N' LOAD.

See, from a scum PoV... I don't see a double voter as being very powerful, especially in early days when they're most certainly aiming for stronger PRs. So for me... it raises some questionmarks.




Can you double vote the same person?

[Benmage]

If you guys could stop fucking around and making stupid quicklynches that would be great. I don't know about you, but I'd prefer to lynch scum.

I've given my reasons for this vote,

and I'm sticking with it because they're scum.

VOTE: Nautilius

That is the worst way to help a "campaign" on the person you want to see hung.

How hard is it to type a few words or highlights as to why?? Is it not fresh enough in your memory? Do you not want to trip up?

[Benmage]

See, from a scum PoV... I don't see a double voter as being very powerful, especially in early days when they're most certainly aiming for stronger PRs. So for me... it raises some questionmarks.

Eh, possibly. For one thing, though, we wanted to be sure that we would survive at least Night 1 so as to take our census (which is a pretty strong power in our opinion). No reason to give scum any more visible reason to off us immediately.

There's ego, too. "HEY, CHECK OUT HOW COOL OUR ROLE IS!" "YEAH, IT'S ACE!" "I HOPE WE DON'T GET KILLED BEFORE WE REALLY GET TO FLEX OUR MUSCLES WITH IT!" "DAMN STRAIGHT!" This head suspects that everyone in this game thinks that their role is the coolest.

Can you double vote the same person?

If we could do that, we already would be.

Oh right u did the census too.

Check check, that makes more sense.

Carry on.

[Benmage]

Zdenek bullet the spyrex's case please.

[Benmage]

I'm really confused about why so many people are saying thinks like Spyrex is bad, but LOL we can forgive him, vote someone else.

It's making me nervous.

Statements like this make ME, nervous.

What is it some MaSsiVE conspiracy? Nope! This reads as disingenuous.

[Benmage]

I'll check back tomorrow...

[Benmage]

If you guys could stop fucking around and making stupid quicklynches that would be great. I don't know about you, but I'd prefer to lynch scum.

I've given my reasons for this vote,

and I'm sticking with it because they're scum.

VOTE: Nautilius

That is the worst way to help a "campaign" on the person you want to see hung.

How hard is it to type a few words or highlights as to why?? Is it not fresh enough in your memory? Do you not want to trip up?

Highlights:

Naut has done nothing to convince me they're town. But they have been too caring about self-image, unable to come up with their own cases, and lurking away from any pressure. Why are people not seeing this?

-'Nothing to convince their town'
A) Obviously very subjective.
B) Just fucking meh
-Self Image
A) Isn't everyone like that?
-Lurked from pressure
A) What pressure posts?
B) How did they lurk it?

*cough* weakassreasoning *cough* chestpuffing (gave reasons ) *cough*

[Benmage]

Zdenek bullet the spyrex's case please.

PeaceBringer got called scum and replaced out. My experience is that do this disproportionately more often than town. Aside from that despite posting quite a lot, there's nothing alignment indicative coming from PB.
Displaced did nothing.
Spyrex hammered Amrun. There's nothing town motived in that.
Plus his read on me looks contrived, since he's not scum reading you over your Thor interactions, but I'll admit that I'm biased there.

This reads a bit forced following my last statement. Looks like you just wanted to undermine here: post 2317

[Benmage]

Ah I like this game.

I just ctrl f'd my name on the pages I haven't read and people seem to be getting the message.

I'm surprised SpyreX has as many votes as he does...

Anyone wanna pass a succinct case my way, I'll actually read it.

-I still like an Agar lynch.

[Benmage]

What is Tierce doing....

MOM the meatloaf!

[Benmage]

If not now, when?

The Giants season is dunzo.. but they're the only poor-record team that doesn't really need a QB.
-If the Giants can finish bottom 5, they have a real shot at landing Clowney. Imagine JPP and Clowney

Other bottom teams:

Bottom Teams that need QBS:
Jaguars
Bucs
Browns
Probably Vikings

Teams that don't need QB:
Falcons
Giants
Panthers
Bills
Jets
Redskins

I think the Giants could do poor enough. (Wish the Jets blew better than they do)

[Benmage]

Okay Thats a GD thread post miss post^

Mod

wanna delete these 2 posts?

[Benmage]

I think what Tierce is doing is pretty clear!

Okay, then

why

is Tierce opting to be useless?

[Benmage]

SpyreX, why aren't you voting... moreover why not Agar?

Are you town?

[Benmage]

I don't give a fuck if you have a history of quickhammering. Why? Because you have a history of quickhammering for situations precisely like this one--so you can pretend like you've defeated my argument by telling me you've done this before as town so LOL TRY AGAIN!!!!

Your argument here hinges on "SpyreX spent 4+ years quickhammering just so he could troll one game in 2013."

You do realize that, right?

See: Benmage & The Self-Vote, Jan 13, The Wire.

Wait, I thought SpyreX says he quickhammers regardless of alignment...

Did I miss him saying something about only doing it as town?

And in my SELFVOTE defense, when I had only been doing it as town for years, I publicly rescinded that strategy in MDiscussion as being too borderline cheap... and in the WIRE, I never mentioned my past selfvoting meta.

[Benmage]

i got prodded. i still want zed dead i still dont want spyuerx dead and i dont have much more 2 add.

What do you think of Agar?

[Benmage]

This reads a bit forced following my last statement.

You ask me to bullet something and then call it forced? That's upsetting.

Zdenek bullet the spyrex's case please.

PeaceBringer got called scum and replaced out. My experience is that do this disproportionately more often than town. Aside from that despite posting quite a lot, there's nothing alignment indicative coming from PB.
Displaced did nothing.
Spyrex hammered Amrun. There's nothing town motived in that.
Plus his read on me looks contrived, since he's not scum reading you over your Thor interactions, but I'll admit that I'm biased there.

This reads a bit forced following my last statement. Looks like you just wanted to undermine here: post 2317

Yes, I asked you to bullet your reasoning and it seemed like a struggle for you because everything you mentioned is quite shallow. Hence I said it read forced.

[Benmage]

Why SpryeX ooba?

[Benmage]

speaking of alchemist, the alchemist is not secrely syryana right? is there anyone who still believes that?

Yarr.

Me.

[Benmage]

Wait, I thought SpyreX says he quickhammers regardless of alignment...

Did I miss him saying something about only doing it as town?

And in my SELFVOTE defense, when I had only been doing it as town for years, I publicly rescinded that strategy in MDiscussion as being too borderline cheap... and in the WIRE, I never mentioned my past selfvoting meta.

The point is that you knew you did something for years only as town, and broke that tell/habit/whatever for a big game. Like this one. The stakes are higher in a large theme game and I don't doubt that people will try anything here...again.

No, see thats my point.. I had wanted to break the tell.. but the stakes or game didn't matter, hence why I never alluded to my own meta. I broke my meta, but that was more a byproduct of using what appeared to be a genuine selfvote. I was simply going for the "genuine selfvote" tell... despite what my meta was.

Anyways.. Like I asked before, did SpyreX say he only hammers as town? Or that its a null tell??

[Benmage]

kkb, your wording was peculiar. By what you said, I thought you were saying you thought Syryana was the Alchemist.

No, I don't believe they are the same.

[Benmage]

Im with you.^

[Benmage]

@quadz

SpyreX, Agar, Zdenek... whose scummiest?

[Benmage]

PJ,

what about Agar or SPry?

[Benmage]

PJ,

what about Agar or SPry?

[Benmage]

oy vey

FARADAY!

[Benmage]

I don't remember Benmage playing particularly towny.

I'm just reminded of the wire.

[Benmage]

Alchemist just makes

me hate Faraday.

hurdur put in some strange replacement mechanic that lurks.

Cool.

[Benmage]

Im always against Faraday shenanigans.

Unvote vote The Alchemist.

Reck replaced himself in as an SK weird role...once into a game he was in and played dumb.

[Benmage]

GDIT Tammy, you're gonna be one of those people that waits for the grandparents to show up before the kids get to open their presents on Christmas.

[Benmage]

So Alchemists, is following along... so has been actively lurking?

Cool.

Lynch it!

(thisiswhereistoppostingtillalchemistisdead...thisisareallystupidmechanicFaraday)

[Benmage]

Who opted for the divorce, and did both have to confirm? ( what of the children?)

[Benmage]

Haiiiiii EvERybuddy

I'm Faraday

I'm going to create roles that serve no purpose but act as massive distractions for the Town, because I'm FaRAday and I root for scum!

[Benmage]

**Tammy

I'd also like to here the reasoning behind not claiming and allowing this charade to continue. What were you trying to protect?

[Benmage]

Who opted for the divorce, and did both have to confirm? ( what of the children?)

As if I'd forget to drink my moon tea after someone leaves me. Please I'm not *that* dumb.

Who severed the marriage?

[Benmage]

Well first of all.... I'm a little perturbed that you didn't want to marry me. I'm the gd Hand after all.

Secondly, there is next to no logical reason for him to lurk the way he has... and he derailed the Agar wagon. Which sucks.... and with him at 8 votes, I'm pretty sure we're past the point of no return(PoNR). I don't have the energy for this, and as a member of team Blood. eff it, let the mofo burn. Because like I said... why the fuck lurk mania? Ruined today completely. It doesn't seem like he's some special PR to protect.

Fuckina.

LYNCH!!!!

[Benmage]

[Benmage]

To this extent? Where he fell completely off the map and produced literally zero content?

And ruined todays discussion.

Its a fucking policy lynch at this point. Such behavior cannot be tolerated on this site. HE ACTIVELY COASTED and is now causing a black fucking hole in this game. Town demise with distractions, apathy, and stagnation. Its fucking disgusting.

Lynch and be done.... and hopefully Faraday grows a goddamn pair and blacklists him.

[Benmage]

[Benmage]

[Benmage]

Who cares to put so much into the claim. SHE COASTED on purpose. Unacceptable. Period.

On a sidenote, the extreme difficult of the coin vig NAME-requirement... makes me think it was a role modified for the scum team.

How is someone suppose to Character KIll?????

Nope... mafia name cop? Well than maybe.

Anyways I digress... this is legit my last post. I will emoticon prod dodge until the Alchemist is dead. Such styles cannot be tolerated on this site. If we all did it, the game would self-destruct. Is one person polluting bad? No... everyone, bingo. Cannot allow.

and so

[Benmage]

^Oh i wanted to say I actually hope she does flip town, to show how much of a disgusting fuckface she is.

Ty

[Benmage]

[Benmage]

[Benmage]

[Benmage]

vote the Alchemist

[Benmage]

No way Zdenek is scum with Spyrex... and didn't bus him at the end of yesterday.

[Benmage]

*yawn*

[Benmage]

(the notion of lynching people based off a miller claim I find repulsive)

Good thing noone here did that.

[Benmage]

thatdoesn'tmakeanysensescumtypicallywanttoachievemislynches

[Benmage]

Negging?

PJ is making no sense. Elle lynch makes no sense. Hmmm.

aka benmage needlessly being oppositional.

pretty sure I made sense. if I didn't explain how I didn't

your right I'm pretty sure achieveing a mislynch was good enough for the scum voting him

That ^ didn't make sense as a response to:

(the notion of lynching people based off a miller claim I find repulsive)

Good thing noone here did that.

Do you want to tell me next that 1+1 = 2?


How was I oppositional?

[Benmage]

Come to think of it

Why is chesskiddra still alive? That shit needs to go

Agreeing with katsuki.... when worlds collide

[Benmage]

@Doctor Jekyll.

Keep original name in quotes please.

[Benmage]

SD lynch again

[Benmage]

Benmage, how about actually saying something productive?

You mean voting the active lurker?

I think I'm the only one doing something productive.

[Benmage]

Benmage, how about actually saying something productive?

You mean voting the active lurker?

I think I'm the only one doing something productive.

? Really. What do you think is the single most important event so far aside from lynching Spyrex? Or replacements?

I don't know.

What do you think?

[Benmage]

How did you go from

single most important event

.... to town leader?

Whats the

single most important event

you've read thus far?

[Benmage]

I can't believe people policy lynched thor over this lurksack day one. I hate you all.

You're devolving again if you're anti-lurkers now.

[Benmage]

^Look at you're support base.

The ACTIVE LURKER....

[Benmage]

damnit 1 too many you'res

[Benmage]

Is logic annoying Tierce? We get ragemad at a lurker... But let an active lurker get a free pass.... Maybe I don't see the logic...

[Benmage]

^And I wasn't even trying to be a dick to tammy... shes a good player. I'm keeping her good, when she sidesteps a little .

If I gotta be the fall the guy to make the world better so be it.

[Benmage]

Yes, I want her to be levelheaded too... I have different methods

[Benmage]

Reductio ad absurdum

[Benmage]

^And thats not a spell from Harry potter.

[Benmage]

@Elle

if your target dies, can you RB again?

[Benmage]

Tierce

, what name do you have for the reason you asked for the coin. Enough with the lies, or "gambits".

[Benmage]

Worked well enough.

The kill did what it needed to do,

elle is obvTown at this point and it's quite probable I did soak up a kill on N1.

How so?

[Benmage]

Unvote

Willing to lynch both AGar and quadz, Titus is just being Titus.

Agars a good lynch... Titus has been town town town.

[Benmage]

But you just claimed your not BP... and whats the point in not naming whose name you used... or how you got said name..

and

and..

and.....

I don't like being in the dark.

(you can't tell kids to wait on Christmas morning godddamnittttt)

[Benmage]

@Elle

if your target dies, can you RB again?

Yes.

^^^ I want to know that as well.

I have never seen a permanent rber. It makes much more sense to include a vanillaizer than a permanent rber unless we are looking at a spree killer. Also why use it until you are convinced someone is not town aligned? Please don't take this as being hostile, I do believe the claim (can't see elle willing to be suicidal over it). Elle just makes sense as town. Were you compulsive n1 elle?

My role is all flavor - so it doesn't specifically say 'fixed and permanent roleblocker' but that was just what I associated it with based on what it does/what I know of roles. Wasn't familiar with a vanillaizer at the time, though I've wiki'ed it now. Vanillaizer makes sense since it didn't take effect until the following night. So idk?

Ask the Mod if you can switch your RB target... and or if its some sort of vanillaizer... target/vanillaize someone new.

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There seems ZERO reason not to give titus 1 night... if theres a scum nk, we bag a confscum in Titus...

Otherwise titus reads town + genuine.

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There seems ZERO reason not to give titus 1 night.

There is.

It's called I can't replicate what happened last night tonight.

This makes zero since as you didn't claim what you did last night.

So...

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I just finished page 10.

Wait Titus... you're on page 10? This entire time you've been playing without reading? Or did you read from when you started atleast? so like pages 120-140 for example and pages 0-10 have been read, but not 10-120.... Something like that?

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Gotya... I was pretty accurate in my quick analogy.

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CHess is wrong.

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My statement about chess is still true. That said, dan your blank statement is incorrect about busing as whole... If you want to say it doesn't apply to this scenario be free.

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Especially when you consider you've previously taken shots at quadz for being scum, but never really put your $ where your mouth is.

Its scum 1-0-1 strategy to call their teammates scum, yet vote a different scum read. Cahlasssic.

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The Faraday meta arguments are interesting. Macho Cop is a cute fakeclaim if it is.

If I'm Jango Fett, Faraday is my Boba Fett.

SO considering this, and my recent mockeries of him support scum in ALLL his games... and me mocking the destructive-ness of cops, he may have heard me. But you know how kids are these days, ugh.

I'll ponder this when I'm not at work.

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ok well I'd prefer it be labeled, "scum voting other scum coincidentally" instead of bussing. bussing tends to happen earlier and is also planned out in advance most of the time. At any rate, yes, it clearly wouldn't apply here.

cuts.

lmao. that's called distancing. not bussing.

Meh... its a precursor to busing... As distancing itself has many variants.

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Are they? I got the impression he only did non-confirmational cops. A macho cop is pretty much just as bad as a regular cop.
quadz also dropped off mentioning goat after Day 1 other then to question his reads once. I dunno I'd probably be more explicit with clears in a game like this.

I think aCoK was a pretty standard cop for the game. EVen if there was a standardish cop... there'd be scum safe-nets, like GF/RB. With no flips revealed we can't even tell what scum power might look like...

Is there much harm in letting quadz continue to give some cop reads.. Either we deal with him in a day or 2.... with some more reads etc to go off of. Or scum off him to avoid the reads... again more things I'll ponder when not at work.

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I meant to say the no flips... itself is quite the scum advantage. Faraday obv didn't realize this when balancing this game scumsided.

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One thing I have to question is whether a macho cop ever, in a million years, actually claims "macho cop". Might as well paste a "kill me" sign on your forehead.

Brilliant.

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@ Kanye: I've definitely said something similar as town before.

One thing I have to question is whether a macho cop ever, in a million years, actually claims "macho cop". Might as well paste a "kill me" sign on your forehead.

Brilliant.

hmmm...

He claimed his Machoness so that town PRs wouldn't target him.
- Des

Nah.... If I was macho I wouldn't care about some doc screwing their night target up... Protective roles are pretty weak... whereas cop investigations are the most OverPowered roles out there..... So cheah, not buying. But nice chainsaw.(zomgyoucan'tcallthatchainsaw...ijustdidbitch)

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No way this game is multiball.

Past conversations with Faraday look like this:

Me: Yo son, multiball makes it hard to scumhunt.
Faraday: Thats true kid.

/end

See..... No way its multiball.

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--Every Faraday asoif is scum sided 100%.

A Feast for Crows was definitely town sided if you go back and check the setup.

Multi ball (Clash of Kings, Dance with Dragons) is definitely harder to balance

but I think clash was very swingy but balanced, too. (Although ew sk + mafia + mafia isn't something I'd do again.

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Yolo, 1 team. Wire, 1 team.... Two of his more balanced games. Everyone can evolve... Even Faraday.

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by Faraday at another site

FARADAY IS CHEATING ON ME!!!!!!!!!

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Titus does your pm say that you stop all abilities or all active abilities?

All abilities. One shots used during the night do not count as spent. I do not die. If anyone dies tomorrow, lnych me.

You still block the one-shots correct? So there's no one-shot vig ninja excuse... that ends up being the scum kill riight!