A uPick of Ice & Fire - Day 12 - #REKT?
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Wow, this game is just like the last one.
Lot's of filler posts, egos and meta-gashing . Oh what fun day one. Anyway, yay, caught up on 30+ pages in 2.5 days. \o/
Reads list, mostly gut based and leanings at this stage but it's a start to work with.
TOWN
quadz
zednek
amrun
peace
ooba
cephrir
benmage
messiah complex
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tierce
tammy
shadoweh
syrana
stupendous
MAFIA
Garruk
nautilius
alfred
ellebereth
kanye
goat
pride
andrius
macmollie
thor
Vote: Garruk Relentless"You got a chapter in one of those books on jumping to conclusions? You attach an assumption to a piece of evidence, you start to bend the narrative to support it, prejudice yourself."- SafetyDance
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I think you're most likely to flip scum.In post 830, Garruk Relentless wrote:
Any particular reason why you voted us though? Or is it all just "gut" after 35 pages of content?Vote: Garruk Relentless
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You show me someone who has 23 solid reads on all players after 35 pages of "content" and I'll show you a liar.
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Oh, I got elleheathen's name wrong. Meh.
I didn't even realise Ellibereth was part of a hyrda here till reading the playerlist again. I mean, sure, must've read it before to recall the name, but I hadn't/haven't memorized who's in each hydra. I think the only game I had with Ellibereth was Jason's Kingmaker mafia and that was ages ago."You got a chapter in one of those books on jumping to conclusions? You attach an assumption to a piece of evidence, you start to bend the narrative to support it, prejudice yourself."- SafetyDance
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Was this towards me or Thor? Mistakes happen. Unless you're perfect and never made one and have a photographic memory so can learn/memorise 29 names in an instant you're in no position to judge.In post 838, Benmage wrote:^What shit "slip" reasoning.
I'm more than happy with Thor's scenario though because it's never going to eventuate."You got a chapter in one of those books on jumping to conclusions? You attach an assumption to a piece of evidence, you start to bend the narrative to support it, prejudice yourself."- SafetyDance
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Cephrir, there's is no difference to my list to the one you posted a few posts down than a few extra lines attached to then. Like yours, it's mostly a binary list. It's rudimentary, yes, I did quantify that in the very sentence above. I did think people here had the intelligence to read that and understand it bt maybe I'm giving the site-meta too much credit in that regard.In post 842, Cephrir wrote: This list makes no sense whatsoever. And doesn't have a single reason on it even for the guy he's voting. What?
Ultimately, it's no different to what Nautilius has been doing anyway with their list anyway."You got a chapter in one of those books on jumping to conclusions? You attach an assumption to a piece of evidence, you start to bend the narrative to support it, prejudice yourself."- SafetyDance
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I thought the same about GR but they had only been gone 30 hours before just posting 830In post 854, quadz08 wrote: http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 4#p5330934 holy SHIT this is awful. Gone for 400 posts, and theonly comment you haveis that? jesus
that said, 811 is actually a decent case"You got a chapter in one of those books on jumping to conclusions? You attach an assumption to a piece of evidence, you start to bend the narrative to support it, prejudice yourself."- SafetyDance
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You disagreeing with it doesn't make it controversial. I really don't get why you should have to have an arbitrary amount in your scums reads. I don't know the number of scum. Do you? Last Faraday game I played had just 4+1. So why do you have 6? Know something we don't?In post 872, Cephrir wrote:A.) Those few lines make all the difference. For all I know you generated that list using an RNG.
B.) I'm also complaining about its actual contents (scum section including my 3 best townreads and literally only one player I think is scum). If your list is going to be that controversial and scumread a whole bunch of players no one else is you need to explain it.
You're filled with more hubris than the spawn of Thor and Benmage marriage if you think my reads HAVE to align with yours.
I'm curious though, what are your three strong town-reads that I have in my scum pile?"You got a chapter in one of those books on jumping to conclusions? You attach an assumption to a piece of evidence, you start to bend the narrative to support it, prejudice yourself."- SafetyDance
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Ceph, hey Ceph, there'selevennames here.
Don't recall you having a problem here.In post 440, Nautilius wrote:Andrius
elleheathen
Goat on a Raft (Channeldelibird/AurorusVox)
Messiah Complex (Desperado/Formerfish)
ooba
PeaceBringer
quadz08
SafetyDance
StupendousMan
Syryana
Thor665
Which one?"You got a chapter in one of those books on jumping to conclusions? You attach an assumption to a piece of evidence, you start to bend the narrative to support it, prejudice yourself."- SafetyDance
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First thing firsts looking at recent VC and 3 days to go ~ I am happy to join the Thor wagon, I agree with Benmage's 518 and D1 is the only optimal time to do so.
Vote: Thor665"You got a chapter in one of those books on jumping to conclusions? You attach an assumption to a piece of evidence, you start to bend the narrative to support it, prejudice yourself."- SafetyDance
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Lol, if you wont lynch a miller claim then you wont run up me. Unless, double-standards!
Anyway if you do, prefer it to be after dinner. Claim then if needed."You got a chapter in one of those books on jumping to conclusions? You attach an assumption to a piece of evidence, you start to bend the narrative to support it, prejudice yourself."- SafetyDance
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Well, if I'm going to get lynched anyway then it doesn't really matter what I claim.In post 1583, Benmage wrote:
With less than 24 hours to deadline and you twice the wagon than anyone else... logic says claim. Especially with this shitty sneakpreview.In post 1581, SafetyDance wrote:Lol, if you wont lynch a miller claim then you wont run up me. Unless, double-standards!
Anyway if you do, prefer it to be after dinner. Claim then if needed.
FYI, noone voted Thor because he claimed Miller. Nor is anyone not voting him because he claimed miller..... That would be idiotic. People aren't voting him for totally separate idiotic reasons.
If that was the case then I'm a bulletproof, unlynchable pterodactyl, who will be Martin's Dues Ex Machina at the end of the books."You got a chapter in one of those books on jumping to conclusions? You attach an assumption to a piece of evidence, you start to bend the narrative to support it, prejudice yourself."- SafetyDance
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People will probably believe that more than aJOATagain.
That was a breadcrumb for all the meta-whores.In post 817, SafetyDance wrote:Wow, this game is just like the last one."You got a chapter in one of those books on jumping to conclusions? You attach an assumption to a piece of evidence, you start to bend the narrative to support it, prejudice yourself."- SafetyDance
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There'sIn post 1595, Tammy wrote:Or feel like answering any of the questions posed to you or did you think prod-dodging, right catching up with the thread, oh let's policy lynch is going to cut it for some reason?a lotof talk and questions. Like 1500+ posts.
You're going to have to be a bit more specific right now."You got a chapter in one of those books on jumping to conclusions? You attach an assumption to a piece of evidence, you start to bend the narrative to support it, prejudice yourself."- SafetyDance
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I don't really see the point of releasing flavor now. If you don't believe me then you're going to find it out soon enough anyway.In post 1592, Cephrir wrote:Do you have a rolename and flavor, or...?
The amusing thing is you're just going to do this again tomorrow.In post 1593, Syryana wrote:
FTFY.In post 1582, AGar wrote:If 1591 isn't a scumclaim, I don't know what is. Holy shit WHY ARE WE LETTING HIM LIVE AFTER THIS?"You got a chapter in one of those books on jumping to conclusions? You attach an assumption to a piece of evidence, you start to bend the narrative to support it, prejudice yourself."- SafetyDance
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I'm not bitter. http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=56&t=25285 That was the game. People have been discussing it.In post 1597, Shadoweh wrote:I wouldn't lynch a friendly pterodactyl. I personally don't know what your last role was or why being a JOAT would make you bitter? Having lots of role powers is usually pretty cool! Cough up something more specific then 'lots of role powers' dood
It's not a lot. 3 one-shots, weaker abilities than last time iirc and more flavor specifc.
*shrug* Should be easily provable anyway if it's believed."You got a chapter in one of those books on jumping to conclusions? You attach an assumption to a piece of evidence, you start to bend the narrative to support it, prejudice yourself."- SafetyDance
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I was planning my mislynches ahead.In post 1598, Tammy wrote:In post 1596, SafetyDance wrote:
There'sIn post 1595, Tammy wrote:Or feel like answering any of the questions posed to you or did you think prod-dodging, right catching up with the thread, oh let's policy lynch is going to cut it for some reason?a lotof talk and questions. Like 1500+ posts.
You're going to have to be a bit more specific right now.
Okay. What did you think you were accomplishing with your introductory reads post and why did you make it?"You got a chapter in one of those books on jumping to conclusions? You attach an assumption to a piece of evidence, you start to bend the narrative to support it, prejudice yourself."- SafetyDance
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Oh wait, I would have to not be newb/bad scum in order for that to be true. Yeah, still trying to work that out.
I just finished reading 30-odd pages of crap and that was my summation of the game at that stage. There was no way I was going to right a case-by-case on every player. That was where I stood leaning on everybody.
Next time I'll just make a "I've read 30 pages" post and leave it at that."You got a chapter in one of those books on jumping to conclusions? You attach an assumption to a piece of evidence, you start to bend the narrative to support it, prejudice yourself."- SafetyDance
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FYI, 1440 is the poster-child for why meta is completely fucking useless.In post 1605, Tammy wrote:here is how town safety dance feels about reads list In this post, he points out several people who have made some types of reads without reasoning and calls it "Weak as Budwieser reads that do nothing to help with anything. List reads (or whatever you call them) are not proper reads or effective scumhunting. So it's not something you're going to see me throw out there."
So, safetydance. When did you decide that throwing out reads lists wasn't a piece of crap you wouldn't throw out there.
AND and and, when in any game did you think you had to throw out full blown reads on everyone, because I've looked at your games and you don't express that need anywhere.
I don't understand the logic of applying a standard-defined way of how people will play everything game now matter what, nor how it makes sense that they'll never appear to contradict themselves or play the exact same way, so you'll have to explain that one post-game."You got a chapter in one of those books on jumping to conclusions? You attach an assumption to a piece of evidence, you start to bend the narrative to support it, prejudice yourself."- SafetyDance
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No it's nihilistic town who really couldn't give a fuck up the brow-beating, meta-wank dick-pissing contests that passes as scumhunting in these games. But I assume that must come with being "awesome".In post 1607, quadz08 wrote:T this is obstinate caught scum.
All I know is people in glass houses shouldn't play mafia
I didn't say anything about you doing it towards me tomorrow. But good job admitting that's all you're doing.In post 1609, Syryana wrote:
I don't need to do this again tomorrow, because you're...SafetyDance wrote:
The amusing thing is you're just going to do this again tomorrow.In post 1593, Syryana wrote:
FTFY.In post 1582, AGar wrote:If 1591 isn't a scumclaim, I don't know what is. Holy shit WHY ARE WE LETTING HIM LIVE AFTER THIS?
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confirmation_biasIn post 1611, quadz08 wrote:In post 1608, SafetyDance wrote:So a policy lynch? OK then.
try again plzIn post 1607, quadz08 wrote:this is obstinate caught scum.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suggestion
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No. Believe what ever the fuck you want. Santa is your dad though and Christmas is a commercialsed pagan holiday.In post 1614, Tammy wrote:In post 1610, SafetyDance wrote:
FYI, 1440 is the poster-child for why meta is completely fucking useless.In post 1605, Tammy wrote:here is how town safety dance feels about reads list In this post, he points out several people who have made some types of reads without reasoning and calls it "Weak as Budwieser reads that do nothing to help with anything. List reads (or whatever you call them) are not proper reads or effective scumhunting. So it's not something you're going to see me throw out there."
So, safetydance. When did you decide that throwing out reads lists wasn't a piece of crap you wouldn't throw out there.
AND and and, when in any game did you think you had to throw out full blown reads on everyone, because I've looked at your games and you don't express that need anywhere.
I don't understand the logic of applying a standard-defined way of how people will play everything game now matter what, nor how it makes sense that they'll never appear to contradict themselves or play the exact same way, so you'll have to explain that one post-game.
Oh so you were reading along and were just ignoring the game and not playing. Sweet.
And the thing is I asked you a question about it because beliefs held like this tend to be standard. I was trying to understand your mindset and get a handle on your alignment. Instead of answering the question, which you should be able to do but apparently can't, you're acting like a petulant scum child.
So,
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Anything I say or do at this stage is just being met with confirmation bias, like I stated. And tomorrow will just be "oh he was playing bad" adbominishment posts so it's not like anyone will change or react differently. So there's no point to me giving reads.
I mean it's people own choice that they choose to focus in on the title of groupings rather than the sentence that prefaces it. People like yourself or Alfred will use meta-reasons to push reasons FOR your case, and just as easily flip-flop based on meta too. Please. All you're doing is setting up Mollie for a big ITYS post.
And fuck off. I don't have to explain activity to anyone in this game bar the mod."You got a chapter in one of those books on jumping to conclusions? You attach an assumption to a piece of evidence, you start to bend the narrative to support it, prejudice yourself."- SafetyDance
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See, I've never once stated I'm too good. That's you're perception. Just like mine is that you're playing exactly like the others here (evidenced by your caps locking) in that you have to shout down players or shout loudly your opinion because you're more right than others. It's frankly ridiculous.In post 1615, Tammy wrote:THERE IS NO BROW-BEATING; YOU ARE NOT PLAYING THE DAMN GAME.
MAYBE, JUST MAYBE, IF YOU'D ACTUALLY PLAY INSTEAD OF ACTING LIKE YOUR TOO GOOD TO DO A DAMN THING THERE WOULDN'T BE A WAGON ON YOU.
GODS.
And you're meta argument is gash because you're using one isolated game as your sample size. You're never going to effectively scumhunt that way. I mean you haven't even bothered to bring up Slimer Mafia. Case in point.
Uber town-read <3Syryana wrote:In post 1612, SafetyDance wrote:I didn't say anything about you doing it towards me tomorrow. But good job admitting that's all you're doing."You got a chapter in one of those books on jumping to conclusions? You attach an assumption to a piece of evidence, you start to bend the narrative to support it, prejudice yourself."- SafetyDance
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I answered your questions. What answers exactly did you want to here? So sorry I've not bended backwards and just accepted your wrong opinion. Something tells me we will somehow move on!In post 1619, Tammy wrote:Oh you mean you not doing a damn thing, not answering the questions asked and you just being a cheeky petulant scummy fuck is us confirmation biasing?
I don't care what you are. Good fucking riddance.
Like I said, confirmation bias. And next time I catch up I will just write that I've caught up and nothing else. Ixnay on the eads-ray and ransparency-tay."You got a chapter in one of those books on jumping to conclusions? You attach an assumption to a piece of evidence, you start to bend the narrative to support it, prejudice yourself."- SafetyDance
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I'm dead. Who the fuck else is going to get run up? I'm not self-voting because 1) don't do it and 2) wagon analysis later on is the only positive thing you're going to get out this lynch. I've already explained why my reads are worthless. So flavor, you will get on flip, and abilities don't mean anything once dead. So stop role-fishing.In post 1621, Shadoweh wrote:Look dood, apparently I'm the only person on this page that doesn't hate you, so you should listen to what I'm saying. The part where you're not claiming flavor or what your joat abilities are isn't going to change anyone's minds. Your powers don't get shown when you flip, so even if you're town and you get lynched, we really need to know what you've got. I don't think it looks townie when a person in a no-flips game is trying hard to avoid saying what his role does. :/
Let's say you entertain the idea that people believe it and someone else gets run up. Having 1 PR full-claim today, going into night, with scum now knowing extra flavor-info and all the actions that person can do...that is pro-town and helpful? I dun geddit.In post 1622, Tierce wrote:Sooo getting SafetyDance riled up isn't going to fix anything. Stop trying to push him like that.
Let's say I entertain this claim for a moment. Yes, you do need to claim your character name and your abilities. Partial claims are not going to fly under the pretext of "you're not lynching Thor-miller so you're not lynching me because double standards lol". I want a full claim out of you.
My home internet is down, so phone posting, slow, etc."You got a chapter in one of those books on jumping to conclusions? You attach an assumption to a piece of evidence, you start to bend the narrative to support it, prejudice yourself."- SafetyDance
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Because I missed the [sarcasm] tags? Lmao, would have thought the post below would have been read by you but hey, you're ignoring whatevers convenient to you.In post 1625, Tammy wrote:In post 1602, SafetyDance wrote:
I was planning my mislynches ahead.In post 1598, Tammy wrote:In post 1596, SafetyDance wrote:
There'sIn post 1595, Tammy wrote:Or feel like answering any of the questions posed to you or did you think prod-dodging, right catching up with the thread, oh let's policy lynch is going to cut it for some reason?a lotof talk and questions. Like 1500+ posts.
You're going to have to be a bit more specific right now.
Okay. What did you think you were accomplishing with your introductory reads post and why did you make it?
This answer? Oh forgive me. I'm a fucking dumbass for getting irritated that you wouldn't answer my question. Dumb me.
Sorry, next time the day nearly ends I'll just ignore the game altogether. Since you know, meta.In post 1626, Tammy wrote:Whatever, I'm done. I have papers to grade and obviously safeftydance isn't going to actually engage in the game and is instead just going to troll or whatever he's doing."You got a chapter in one of those books on jumping to conclusions? You attach an assumption to a piece of evidence, you start to bend the narrative to support it, prejudice yourself."- SafetyDance
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Could you act any less like this game is all about you and just refuse to see any point I'm making?In post 1624, Tammy wrote:Look fool. There is no case in point. I asked you a question about your reads list a million years ago because I was trying to figure you out. You refused to actually answer the question so that I could figure anything out, and instead come out with some superior ass bs about blah blah blah stupid bullshit blah blah blah.
I don't know what slimer mafia is. Is that one instance where as town you used reads list? OMG do you mean you could have answered my fucking original question and told me that you changed your beliefs or you do it sometimes? Is that what slimer mafia means? Why can't you act like a fucking normal human being and just answer questions in way that isn't cheeky as a scum fuck petulant little child?
Because it seems pretty damn easy to me. And if you want to know why I'm yelling, it's because you're acting like a fucking jack ass."You got a chapter in one of those books on jumping to conclusions? You attach an assumption to a piece of evidence, you start to bend the narrative to support it, prejudice yourself."- SafetyDance
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I've just told you my role. I'm a JOAT. I said it was provable. What if I was a doctor? What point would it be claim then? I'm not going live. Not when Tammy's so high up on her horse.In post 1631, Shadoweh wrote:Okay, let me put it another way. If you are dead, and know you are about to die, do you want to:
A: Give the scum a free janitor so no one ever knows what you are
B: Tell what your role is so no one can claim to be you!
This isn't rolefishing. The only way you will not be lynched is if you claim something useful enough for people to keep you. If certain people were in this game your refusal would have them spamming 'HAMMER' every two seconds. CLAIM YOUR ROLE IF YOU WANT TO LIVE."You got a chapter in one of those books on jumping to conclusions? You attach an assumption to a piece of evidence, you start to bend the narrative to support it, prejudice yourself."- SafetyDance
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Fine. I get the ITYS after the game that this does not help town in anyway.
Meera Reed - (para) as a skilled hunter I have the following 1-shot abilities:
Snare/Roleblock
Track
Hunter Gatherer/Fruit Vendor
Passive QT with Jojen (if he's in the game). No one has posted in it."You got a chapter in one of those books on jumping to conclusions? You attach an assumption to a piece of evidence, you start to bend the narrative to support it, prejudice yourself."- SafetyDance
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And I will rofl if this turns up to be faux-frustration. Because that's exactly want it looks like.In post 1633, Tammy wrote:Gods I hope you flip scum because if this is your town game, or if this is what you think mafia is, I'm just going to scream.
I posted a question in the QT. Paraphrase. Didn't want to quote the role pm.Tierce wrote:He just did. Easy.
Have you posted in the QT?
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See, this is just openly admitting you're meta'ing based on one game. How the fuck is that a smart thing to do?In post 1624, Tammy wrote:I don't know whatslimer mafiais. Is that one instance where as town you used reads list? OMG do you mean you could have answered my fucking original question and told me that you changed your beliefs or you do it sometimes? Is that what slimer mafia means? Why can't you act like a fucking normal human being and just answer questions in way that isn't cheeky as a scum fuck petulant little child?
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- I was town
- I gave a list that stated my reads
- I expanded on it when I had time
- I had 2/3 scum in that grouping.
I am fine with my own scumhunting. I'm not denying I haven't been around this game. The only difference in that original list I put out and the one Natialus was doing is how people interpreted it. That's confirmation bias.
Maybe in terms you'd be able to understand:
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In post 1643, Tierce wrote:It's a null claim. It's not the flavor he claimed, it's that Faranexus would very likely have such a role as either Town or scum and wouldn't likely be one of those roles that need severe adjustment after checking for alignment.In post 1645, Tierce wrote:Author Mafia had a scum fruit vendor. It's only useful in the sense that it makes a role confirmable, but is no indication of alignment until we are down to one kill and we can guarantee he can't kill and act in the same Night + has no buddies, etc.
And Nexus recently had a game with a partnerless Neighbor.
Because apparently I'm just setting up mislynches and not committing to anything. So what's the point?In post 1643, Tierce wrote:Why do you say your reads are worthless?
Thus why I said it would have been provable.In post 1644, Shadoweh wrote:I would say 'what kind of a mod would make a QT with no partner' but my immediate answer would be 'Faraday'. I supose the provable part is the fruit vendor part? I honestly don't think it's useful enough to be the scums all things considered."You got a chapter in one of those books on jumping to conclusions? You attach an assumption to a piece of evidence, you start to bend the narrative to support it, prejudice yourself."- SafetyDance
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FYI, I have 15 minutes before I have to go ignore my family and then go to bed so I can ignore work tomorrow thus it's highly likely I will then be ignoring this thread during deadline.
If there's any point of changing my vote too Ooba/whomever, say so now."You got a chapter in one of those books on jumping to conclusions? You attach an assumption to a piece of evidence, you start to bend the narrative to support it, prejudice yourself."- SafetyDance
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No, because its only one person, town only knows 1/23 roles which plays in the hands of scum who know all of there's plus one of town they can kill/manipulate. Still not following there.In post 1653, Tierce wrote:No, SafetyDance. The issue is *you never explained the reads on that list*. It's a list with a lot of scumreads and a lot of unexplained stuff that you never went over. Why are you criticizing Tammy without taking a stance on what it means about her alignment?
The point is that you need to show your work. No one is a mind reader, so if you're being accused of stuff that makes sense with what you have graced us with--that reads list and a hop on a policy lynch with no other contribution--and you don't bother to refute it with actual FACTS like explaining your reads, no one is forced to believe you. Go ahead. Explain those reads, explain why you thought a policy lynch was the way to go, and why you have not been contributing until today.
And your "I told you so" is wrong, young grasshopper. If you're Town and get lynched, now we can use your role for setup analysis.
And you're the one who's putting too much emphasis into the term scum. Read what I prefaced it with. It was where I was starting off at, 3 days into a game what was already 30+ pages, where I felt each leant too. It was mostly gut, I was mostly me choosing to place a player as either scum or town. And there was no way I was going to go back and start re-finding posts, referencing them, casing every person on there after just finishing reading it all. Ceph's whole doodar about it being bad because it didn't match his is nothing but whimsical arbitrary grandstanding. There was only one scum read there you should have cared about.
Out of Ooba v Thor I chose Thor because of what I referenced plus, failed sarcasm detection aside, I read Benmage as town in his exchange with Thor and him less so. I don't have a definitive read on Ooba."You got a chapter in one of those books on jumping to conclusions? You attach an assumption to a piece of evidence, you start to bend the narrative to support it, prejudice yourself."- SafetyDance
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Bah. MC beat me to the thread. I'm still posting this:
My scum reads are:
Garruk - haven't like their early play, from their reactions to others, their conciliatory nature which appears fake, hydra flak. Wasn't getting any town ffelings from any of the rest of the posts and I'm not sure what to make of the reaction to the deadline reaction to their wagon.
Syrana - I'm positive one of the early Syr/Tammy/Shadow/Tierce party is scum and it's not Shadow and when Syr wasn't pretending this was a social function he was tunnelling. Scum.
Alfred - flip-flopping reads constantly based on the shadows reflected on the tea-leaves (meta). No.
Goat - overall play typified by the hypocrisy in 1075
Anyway it's all irrelevant.
Since I'm not playing the game and am terrible at it anyway I realise the error of my ways, so I will be sheeping Tammy all day. Her rage is sincere and her ego, just perfect. So really, it's a no brainer. mmmBOP"You got a chapter in one of those books on jumping to conclusions? You attach an assumption to a piece of evidence, you start to bend the narrative to support it, prejudice yourself."- SafetyDance
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Because I'd rather I be interpreted wrongly as scum by such as what MC was doing late in the game-day than be called town by fickle condescending douches.
Anyway, they were one of the ones who held their vote on me the longest, was still suspicious of me, and not an outright scum-read of mine. It doesn't make sense to send it to someone defending me early on in the game (eg Mollie).
Now tell me:
Why is it derp? Why does who I send it to matter?"You got a chapter in one of those books on jumping to conclusions? You attach an assumption to a piece of evidence, you start to bend the narrative to support it, prejudice yourself."- SafetyDance
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In post 1812, Eddard Stark wrote:
I missed this first time round. Wow. Err, welcome?
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Was Shadoweh drunk? I really do not fathom any of that mess.
She was another 1-shot neighborizer and chose to do it overnight and failed?
VOTE: amrunIn post 1930, Tammy wrote:
Okay!In post 1869, Alfred Borden wrote:That's okay.
Let's vote Amrun together!
Displaced doesn't look like a scumbag.
I'll make a new list tonight or tomorrow.
VOTE: amrun"You got a chapter in one of those books on jumping to conclusions? You attach an assumption to a piece of evidence, you start to bend the narrative to support it, prejudice yourself."- SafetyDance
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In post 1904, Tierce wrote:Oh, please. What a remarkable effort you're going to to misunderstand what they actually said. Nice one about their reads, too!
macmollie, you're voting Town. Scum Garruk had no reason to push a pissed-off Tammy off me when they did.
OMGUR!In post 1908, Tierce wrote:
They did. They have a pretty damn good reason to think I'm Town.In post 1906, macmollie wrote:In post 1905, pirate mollie wrote:tierce I just iso-ed them and I didn't see where they did that?
1828/1838/1845 is completely irrelevant to the 21 players not called Garruk or Tierce.
Which head is acting like Messiah?In post 1927, Nautilius wrote:
i'm voting amrun cos she's probably scum + for thor.In post 1900, macmollie wrote:where were you yesterday in the last hours of the day round. why are you voting amrun? why are you not trusting messiah? can we plz discuss some of our reads and see where we are at?
i don't trust messiah because he's messiah. i like him better now.
sure! when i sync up with elli.
Ha, you got the Hanson pun.In post 1931, Tammy wrote:
I don't remember calling you terrible. If I thought you were just a terrible mafia player; I'd just ignore your presence and move on, but as I said earlier I think you have the capability of looking town when you are, so if you are town your not doing anything was frustrating.In post 1861, SafetyDance wrote: Since I'm not playing the game and am terrible at it anyway I realise the error of my ways, so I will be sheeping Tammy all day. Her rage is sincere and her ego, just perfect. So really, it's a no brainer. mmmBOP
Can we get something a little cooler than hanson associated with me because regardless what mollie thinks my musical taste is like, mmmbop is kinda meh.
The reflected BoP is amusing. I recommended re-reading your ISO. #137 onwards should do. Plenty of highlights there.
Loving the self town-readIn post 1942, Alfred Borden wrote:@Amrun: Some of column A, some of column B.
I forgot about your weekend V/LA
1933 & 1934 are definitely a good start though.
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Elleheathen - For the little things (#469, #1861, # 687). And the usual things. Strong read.
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Patting yourself on the back already with no flips and no mentions of anyone being scum.In post 1944, PrideandJoy wrote:I'd say I'm doing pretty good not reading a 80 page thread and still a) finding scum and b) not trying to lynch 1,2,3 3! people who are/were town.
Can't say I disagree with Chess's recent vote considering Mr messiah thinks a purely null post is town.
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Amusing, I'd prefer to read it personally. Were all those Dan's posts? Not sure what the point of including the early posts unless you are still camping a scum-read on Elleheathen?In post 1962, PrideandJoy wrote: you should watch the thread.
Actually, thought you two had backed off Amrun. Misread 1854."You got a chapter in one of those books on jumping to conclusions? You attach an assumption to a piece of evidence, you start to bend the narrative to support it, prejudice yourself."- SafetyDance
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This is about as useful as all Tammy's Syr/Alchy = Town and Tierce's GR = Town nonsense.In post 2025, Cephrir wrote:He is town as heck though. Not sure why this isn't obvious.
It was a rabbit! And it took forever to catch, thank you very much. If I had managed to snag a direwolf I'd have given it to Tierce. She collects pelts, right?In post 2028, Shadoweh wrote:
Because he's not? He's lagging scummily behind, I don't get how you'd get a super town read from that. It's tempting to jump over but I'm waiting for Amrun to do something (anything) as well as waiting for Naut's promised ubermensch list which will convince me he is the true messiah again.In post 2025, Cephrir wrote:He is town as heck though. Not sure why this isn't obvious.
On the opposite side, I think Dessiah still looks town as heck and don't get where the tones of distrust are coming from, other then that he confirmed he got a flower and somehow he should ignore role results he got.
But how will I know who is scum and where to vote?In post 2034, Tammy wrote:I'm in the midst of grading papers and getting ready for meetings this week. Don't expect actual content from me before Tuesday at the earliest. (Unless I'm procrastinating and in that case yell at me to finish my work!)
That's a pretty big statement to make. You better have something to back that up (like meta) then just speculation.In post 2050, Tierce wrote:
Let's put this bluntly and shortly because I am still on edge about someone doing this: Amrun has used grief for the death of a family member as an excuse not to post as scum,In post 2049, Messiah Complex wrote:
That's great, does she sound as perfectly frustrated-town as she did in her responses to Nautilius as both alignments also?In post 2033, Tierce wrote:
She does it regardless of alignment.In post 2018, Messiah Complex wrote:Also, Amrun's "I can't believe you people think I'm scum because of a sitewide activity issue" was super town because I went through something extremely similar and I never ever would have considered saying it in a scum game. She probably knew it would look bad as she was giving the excuse and she didn't give a shit because she thought the suspicion on her really was that ridiculous--towntowntown.
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So why make that statement?In post 2056, Nautilius wrote:
Neither.In post 1961, SafetyDance wrote:Which head is acting like Messiah?"You got a chapter in one of those books on jumping to conclusions? You attach an assumption to a piece of evidence, you start to bend the narrative to support it, prejudice yourself."- SafetyDance
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Tick tock, Empire.In post 1815, Alfred Borden wrote:@mod - this slot will be V/LA until Sunday the 6th. Apologies for the inconvenience.In post 2055, Alfred Borden wrote:
This sort of thing is why I think Amrun has one of the widest scumranges on site.In post 2050, Tierce wrote:
Let's put this bluntly and shortly because I am still on edge about someone doing this: Amrun has used grief for the death of a family member as an excuse not to post as scum,In post 2049, Messiah Complex wrote:
That's great, does she sound as perfectly frustrated-town as she did in her responses to Nautilius as both alignments also?In post 2033, Tierce wrote:
She does it regardless of alignment.In post 2018, Messiah Complex wrote:Also, Amrun's "I can't believe you people think I'm scum because of a sitewide activity issue" was super town because I went through something extremely similar and I never ever would have considered saying it in a scum game. She probably knew it would look bad as she was giving the excuse and she didn't give a shit because she thought the suspicion on her really was that ridiculous--towntowntown.
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Also there was flash (voideaten) where she did a very good 'howmanyscum.'
I have no problem with scum doing this, since town do it, and scum should be allowed to do anything town do."You got a chapter in one of those books on jumping to conclusions? You attach an assumption to a piece of evidence, you start to bend the narrative to support it, prejudice yourself."- SafetyDance
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I'm going through reading the archives of all the games everyone here has been in but in reverse-alphabetical order so I'm not up to Amrun yet, so yes, it needed explaining.
Also how you phrase it is important. "as scum" or "when scum" have two very different meanings.
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In post 2063, Tierce wrote:As for Alfred Borden's post, learn to distinguish between them. That was Llamarble, not Empire, who isthe onewho has been V/LA and made their latest post.In post 2053, Tierce wrote:
Tick tock, Empire.In post 1815, Alfred Borden wrote:@mod - thisslotwill be V/LA until Sunday the 6th. Apologies for the inconvenience.In post 1815, Alfred Borden wrote:@mod - thiswill be V/LA until Sunday the 6th. Apologies for the inconvenience.slot"You got a chapter in one of those books on jumping to conclusions? You attach an assumption to a piece of evidence, you start to bend the narrative to support it, prejudice yourself."- SafetyDance
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I'm not ignoring you, you're ignoring this game.
Garruk is not obvious town.In post 1961, SafetyDance wrote:In post 1904, Tierce wrote:Oh, please. What a remarkable effort you're going to to misunderstand what they actually said. Nice one about their reads, too!
macmollie, you're voting Town. Scum Garruk had no reason to push a pissed-off Tammy off me when they did.
OMGUR!In post 1908, Tierce wrote:
They did. They have a pretty damn good reason to think I'm Town.In post 1906, macmollie wrote:In post 1905, pirate mollie wrote:tierce I just iso-ed them and I didn't see where they did that?
1828/1838/1845 is completely irrelevant to the 21 players not called Garruk or Tierce.
Tierce is not obvious town."You got a chapter in one of those books on jumping to conclusions? You attach an assumption to a piece of evidence, you start to bend the narrative to support it, prejudice yourself."- SafetyDance
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Then you really are not following at all.In post 2068, Tierce wrote:
No, I'm askingIn post 2067, SafetyDance wrote:Edit - ask Tammy.you, because you're voting Amrun and turned to me like what I was saying was something completely off the wall that I was "speculating" on. Why, whenyouare voting Amrun, do you care thatIsay that Messiah Complex's Townread on her actually has faulty reasoning because it's a null behavior?
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And regardless at whomever the hell you are targeting, if you make a statement like you made about Amrun, I don't know why you wouldn't supply the relevant information to back it up in that very post. Not everyone has read every game on this site so yes, it is speculation."You got a chapter in one of those books on jumping to conclusions? You attach an assumption to a piece of evidence, you start to bend the narrative to support it, prejudice yourself."- SafetyDance
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In post 2072, Tierce wrote:My point is that you don't get the luxury to sheep Tammy when you were Townreading Amrun Yesterday, not give any reasoning for this vote, and then stomp your foot at me when I was making a statement about Amrun'snullreaction to Nautilius.
You had a null read on Tammy, a scumread on Alfred Borden, a Townread on Amrun, and end up sheeping Messieurs Borden and Tammy onto Amrun. WTF? I don't care about your little ego trip, if you're going to not play the game just get out. You were doing something Yesterday, but Today you are absolutely refusing to do anything worth reading. Get off that high horse and explain yourself.
AlsoLlamarblewas being active. Since you apparently don't know their posting styles, I'm telling you that Llamarble has been posting, Empire was the one V/LA. Accept a reality that has no bearing in the game andmove on.
...And not being "obvious Town" by your standard mean that I cannot explain how Garruk is obvious Town by my standard, from my point of view? Well done, excellent job there. Come now. Why would Garruk come into D2 defending me as they did from Tammy if they were scum? Why would they do that if they were my scumpartners? The logical following is that, if it does not make sense for them to do it as scum (which it does not, and you are free to argue with me on why it does make sense from your PoV since you are calling it "nonsense"), then we are both Town.
Not rocket surgery.
My high horse? Smith, grant me strength. You are so fucking high up on your high horse you could steeplechase the damn Wall.In post 2073, Tierce wrote:Whatever. I have better things to do than attempting to extract responses from someone who decides to not play the game. Just do everyone involved a favor and don't sign up for games if you're going to be all pouty that someone called you out on being useless. Self-fulfilling prophecies are nice like that.
!Syr, AGar a question for you. And me and my absolutely appalling puns will be over there. (>")>
Petunia dear, I told everyone how I was voting in my first post. I quoted why I was voting when I voted. I re-quoted everything for you when you asked. It's there in black and white so for a rocket scientist I'm surprised - no, amazed -that you can't grasp it. Maybe you're acting like this because you're jealous I'm sheeping Tammy and not you. You're acting the exact same as she is/was. Oh fucking surprise, Tierce is throwing her body weight around trying to get someone else to leave. Sorry Petal, I'm not quitting on your whim and I'll let you in on a secret: if you keep trying to bully people to quit (you've tried it on Amrun) it loses its effectiveness. You're right I'm clearly not playing the game because I'm clearly not part of your elite circle, or not doing anything right by your stringent guidelines on how-town-must-play-every-game. But that is old news, Tammy already did all that. Thus why everything important today is in the hands of Tammy because she already stated all that my-way-is-the-right-way nonsense so her majesty of the Quill and Tankard has first dibs. You can fight her for it though.
Clearly, I thought I was attempting to engage today as well and reading but according to Tierce, obviously not. If I'm not doing that...then I might as not bother trying to do it as well. So if you want me to lurk AND just sheep Tammy, so be it. Which would be ironic because I would be just like you then. You coast along, rearing your head like a whale every now and then, keep admitting you need to catch up, haven't caught up, don't think anyone or anything is scummy, not even bothering to vote yourself....but you become more active when you need to patronise others or start having a strop over people not automatically town-reading you.
Frangipani, Messiah's read on Amrun has NOTHING to do with your statement in 2050and why I brought it up. You accused Amrun of using personal tragedy as an excuse for beingscum. That is a big statement to make, regardless of her actual alignment. If you're going to make such a claim, then yes, Burden of Proof is on you and should have been offered straight up, not half a day later when prodded about it. As I already stated too, there's a world of difference between using that as an excuse/reasonasscum opposed towhenshe was scum. You can interpret that completely differently.
The whole Garruk/Tierce wink-wink nudge-nudge exchange that I mentioned, means sweet fuck all to the rest of us. None of us can assume anything from it unless you explain it. Your whole defending-me-is-town argument? Ludicrous. You want damn logic:
Person X defending Person Y from Person Z does not equal Persons X + Y are town. Holy Frey pies, Batman! if that was the case everyone would be doing it and then it would be rendered null. Not to mention, the fact it is YOU championing this, who's not really subjective (because its a townread on you) is amazingly egotistical. You are not mod-confirmed, Garruk isn't mod-confirmed, none of you have even claimed so no, I'm not going to trust you just because Tammy was going to go all Alliser Thorne on your ass and your wight in shining armour came along to defuse the situation.
And seriously your egotistical, indignant condescension towards others no knows bounds. Just because YOU have spentyearsplaying and interacting with many of the players here doesn't mean we all have, nor should we suddenly develop out of nowhere the ability to detect which tom or dick said what in a hydra. The V/LA message said SLOT, not head, and you brought it up and immediately they reared their head, which is why I thought it worthy of mentioning. I frankly couldn't give a fuck about different styles, I view a hydra as one person and I'm going to judge them as one. Judging them as two players is just giving them more power than they already have."You got a chapter in one of those books on jumping to conclusions? You attach an assumption to a piece of evidence, you start to bend the narrative to support it, prejudice yourself."- SafetyDance
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And that's why you don't follow Tammy.
I'm V/mostly, mod seems to have forgotten the message I sent him. Should have more time after the weekend ends to read from day start, so on Monday.LA"You got a chapter in one of those books on jumping to conclusions? You attach an assumption to a piece of evidence, you start to bend the narrative to support it, prejudice yourself."- SafetyDance
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My laptop is now kaplooie, well hopefully just the power supply. So I'm /LA for a while.
So this will be brief, I know you like it so.
Still don't trust Garruk, which rolls on to Tierce I guess. The semi-claim is a little better but I thought they were meant to be full claims or none.
Kanye has been epitomising coasting all game imo, I don't like the late day 2 stuff of asking people for town-reads. Benmage is skimming too post-Thor stuff.
Spyrex hammer was bad but so was that whole quicklynch.....
Ooba would be a good lynch because I don't think the D1 heat has gone away.
Alfred epitomes opportunism. Been on every large wagon. (Ooba, SD, Thor, Amrun)
I can see PAJ and Ellleheathen as scum atm too.
Oh and then there's Syr/TA.
Unless Nautilius is a ninja, they didn't kill last night.
I'd also like to try and guess why Mollie was killled. That seems a bit left field to me with 3 players in game claiming some sort of pr.
I can believe the mods trolling. I mean, I have a 1-person QT..."You got a chapter in one of those books on jumping to conclusions? You attach an assumption to a piece of evidence, you start to bend the narrative to support it, prejudice yourself."- SafetyDance
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See: Benmage & The Self-Vote, Jan 13, The Wire.In post 2454, AGar wrote:
Your argument here hinges on "SpyreX spent 4+ years quickhammering just so he could troll one game in 2013."In post 2449, Messiah Complex wrote:I don't give a fuck if you have a history of quickhammering. Why? Because you have a history of quickhammering for situations precisely like this one--so you can pretend like you've defeated my argument by telling me you've done this before as town so LOL TRY AGAIN!!!!
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The point is that you knew you did something for years only as town, and broke that tell/habit/whatever for a big game. Like this one. The stakes are higher in a large theme game and I don't doubt that people will try anything here...again.In post 2461, Benmage wrote:Wait, I thought SpyreX says he quickhammers regardless of alignment...
Did I miss him saying something about only doing it as town?
And in my SELFVOTE defense, when I had only been doing it as town for years, I publicly rescinded that strategy in MDiscussion as being too borderline cheap... and in the WIRE, I never mentioned my past selfvoting meta.
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More like caused every wagon we've been on to become large.In post 2457, SafetyDance wrote: Alfred epitomes opportunism. Been on every large wagon. (Ooba, SD, Thor, Amrun)
Pay attention.
How do you fit all that ego in there?
In post 2481, kanyeknowsbest wrote:speaking of alchemist, the alchemist is not secrely syryana right? is there anyone who still believes that?
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