A uPick of Ice & Fire - Day 12 - #REKT?

[macmollie]

Because we're us:

Vote: Garruk Relentless

Oh wait. Not this game. See, in this game, we're cursed and take 2 less than the majority to be lynched. So, instead.

Unvote

so you take 11 to lynch

and yet this scares you away from voting yourself?

vote Garruk

[macmollie]

hi guys!

town reads on kanye, p&j and tierce so far

hey cephrir

I bet you know who this is but my hydra partner who is awsum will sound like this too. so nogo on signing the posts.

why is this an issue for you?

[macmollie]

eta: shitload of xposts

[macmollie]

by god do we fucking have to have a discussion on hydras here? Can we

please

not?

quadz

y u got to get into teh middle of my scumhunting someone whom you are apparently voting for

why

why

why quadz why

eta: kanye looking at cephrir but now mebbe quadz

[macmollie]

oh yeah, that won't work... lol

FOS Safety Dance

the unconfirmed.

[macmollie]

mebbe we should vote tammy

where did cephrir and quadz go

eta: there is cephrir

[macmollie]

VOTE: quadz

[macmollie]

mmmmm the point brought up about roles-before-alignment pretty much invalidates that theory yeah

UNVOTE:

don't worry quadz

no 1 ever listens to me

wights is a red herring since if 1 went with that argument the whitewalkers would be a scum faction rather than wights. with a possible recruitment of a wight.

[macmollie]

oh hai some1 is paying attention I do not know what to do with that

[macmollie]

holy shit

VOTE: amrun

[macmollie]

oh god I think thor is actually scum this game but I made a promise to myself not to go after him right away cos it will only clog the game up with the mollie/thor shitshow

[macmollie]

I think I feel better about quadz mebbe

if andy is faking a posting restriction as scum he won't be the only 1 wanting bodily harm done to him. especially with that claim. reck early breadcrumbed grey wolf in rw (it was why we removed our vote) but then he looked scummy and I thought he was a slamdunk for a lynch but no

I think I kind of like alfred too

wat's with the kanye hate

eta: xpost with zden

hhhmmm....

[macmollie]

hhhmmm....

Out with it.

I get extraordinarily paranoid when any1 agrees with me

@ naut

you had me up until the "cephrir is town!" comment

although the last post by cephrir where he is reaching out to you looks good

will you plz work with me in this game

[macmollie]

hi nacho!

will you work with me in this game?

@ goat

are you town or scum this game?

plz give a serious answer to this cos I take both of you players seriously

[macmollie]

are you town or scum this game?

Are you serious? Explain what this question would accomplish, if anything.

I dunno

mebbe it would make him claim town

I want them to send up a strong town flare cos if they are town they are good for the game

why does this bother you

[macmollie]

unvote vote quadz

You town Nauti?

he actually might be!

VOTE: quadz

that was me

[macmollie]

Yeah, we're working on it.

must be a lot of work

[macmollie]

<3

hey naut

why the quadz wagon over the ooby 1?

[macmollie]

so goat is on your team yeah?

[macmollie]

how is asking you about goat not working with you?

[macmollie]

stup is kinda good so you will have to do better

[macmollie]

macmollie, has mac posted yet?

he posted the first one, didn't post anything else.

ahahahahaha

yes he has

[macmollie]

Hi Tammy!

syrlacious are you scum cos you sure as hell are acting like it

[macmollie]

I am caught up now and wow this thread was really funny

thor, here is your cake:

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 8#p4798828

benny are you always like this

@ peaceperson

when you meta, what do you go by? kanye is town cos so far his posts come from a town POV. <----- scum can do this too and pull it off in the early stages of the game but I am thinking kanye might be town.

naut is town too, btw

VOTE: syrlacious

[macmollie]

I might be good with lynching 1 of the lurkers, for once

[macmollie]

benny are you always like this

Like what? Annoyed at having my time wasted? Yes. Annoyed at players thinking it's funny to joke when you're genuinely trying to understand the game.. and I don't know trying to do something to progress the game further a long. Yes... Annoyed at having Noones who don't have the mafia capacity, experience or knowledge of an infant talking down to me... Yeah, its comically bad. But I guess that's where people have regressed too. How many people even mentioned KK's Miller Gambit. How many of the 013's even know Scum have claimed miller and won several times. There's a reason I'm good. I've fucking seen everything, but even mentioning that and being annoyed at Thor playing games is a Cardnial Sin.. Than I'll be fine with sitting around twiddling thumbs and hoping Cops win the game for us like this generation does. There's no playing mafia anymore... just Roles and mods, and corpses.

I meant so easily wound up.

benny, I don't think any1 is talking down to you but I can feel how frustrated you are. I think syrlacious was just trying to be funny but failing miserably at it and we should let him know how unfunny he is so he never gets the idea to quit his day job. I love sylacious for his looks, not for his wit.

played a clash of kings game (offsite) where a player won the game when all he said was "hodor". I know what it is like to have scum win games with what should be shitty claims.

also you are talking to some1 who is still butthurt over losing the red wedding game. while reck's claim and the groundwork he laid for it was brilliant, his overall play was kind of dismal as in if weren't it for the claim he would have been lynched. I really don't want to lose this 1.

thor looks scummy to me cos he is sitting back and insulting every1. it is the same sort of laziness that reck had in rw, the "I produce a claim, you guys can't say crap about it, I am so awsum haha, joke is on you". <------I could of course be making all of this up in my head but that is what it looks like so far.

consider this a hardcore reach out as in here is my hand plz take it cos I really want to win this game. plz plz plz take I want to work with you cos I think we are on the same side.

[macmollie]

Benmage. Calm down. I know you're going through hard stuff IRL, but you don't even know Syryana. He wasn't being disrespectful, at most he was saying you are easy to wind up. Which, let's face it, you are. Besides, grouping people under "013ers" as if that means anything less than you is just as disrespectful as what you're saying others are putting you through. He is a competent player. A troll, yes (if you knew him you'd know his first post in the game was him impersonating fferyllt as if they were hydraing; frankly, it was hilarious), but one of my favorite MSers right now, and it should be pretty obvious I only like people I consider capable and competent. So please step down from your high horse, because you have some behaviors that are reminiscent of poor, inexperienced players. Syryana analyzes the game, is competent as both alignments, and a good asset to the Town (or scum).

Relax. Hunt scum (or be obvscum, please and thank you because I'm not even reading the game so you have to try really hard for me to see it). Let the 013ers and 011ers do their thing. If I don't break the site again tonight (and if I'm not in town, Syr--no promises with your timezone, but we can be night owls together), you'll see them dance. I promise we're excellent waltzers, and the band plays on.

mollie <3 tierce

[macmollie]

thor, here is your cake:

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 8#p4798828

That's an example of a Cop fakeclaiming Miller and not being lynched Day one...seems in line with what I've said wherein Miller claims are never lynched Day 1, and indeed are highly unlikely lynches ever.

its called I WAS PROVING YOUR POINT BY PROVIDING AN EXAMPLE

@ tierce

what is your read on tammy?

[macmollie]

desp I think stup is lynchbait and they are not pinging for me like they are for you. also I think cephrir might be town. who would be your second pick?

also syrlacious is an awsum town player when he is scum he like disappears and does nothing but troll. that's all I have seen so far.

I am removing alfred from the nice pile. alfred, mebbe you can explain what tammy was asking in that post cos I have no fucking idea. I mean I asked goat if he was town yeah? how did that turn into me dismissing his saying he was town? idgi

hey naut I am asking you for the second time will you plz work with me this game? if not I am officially leaving you for desp cos he knows how to work with his town read unlike some people I know who's username begins with an N and ends with an S but I don't want to point any fingers or anything.

[macmollie]

sylacious tell teirce that I am the 1 who asked her about tammy and she didn't answer the question

having said that

liking tammy

also syrlacious if you wanna go all heglian tell me your state of the presentational map you have for the game I mean how are you orientating yourself and what compass are you using and what do you have so far

[macmollie]

syrlacious I was talking to you

[macmollie]

I remember this game I played where I choked syrlacious out of pure and absolute love

pure love I tell you

[macmollie]

here is a smilie

tammy it is bothering me that tierce did not address my question about you except to blow it off and then syrlacious still...trolls.

am I being overly paranoid

[macmollie]

Andrius

elleheathen

Goat on a Raft (Channeldelibird/AurorusVox)
Messiah Complex (Desperado/Formerfish)

ooba

PeaceBringer
quadz08
SafetyDance
StupendousMan

Syryana

Thor665

WE'RE GETTIN CLOSE
Mollie, I'll put extra work into reaching out to you although being extra accommodating and SUPER SUPER town is usually my way of saying "yes, I'll be a good kid, I'll work with you". Nacho with this type of attitude comes very, very rarely and you better not take it for granted or else it'll be old jokes for the rest of the day.

<3

if you had not reached out to me right now I might have lost it

and you can pick on me for being old all you want cos it is true

why is ooba stricken off

sd and stup are lynchbait so you might want to rethink your town list in lieu of that

desp I am mebbe leaning town on

ty, will probably leave you alone now

eta: what is the purpose of a scum miller I mean except for lulz. wouldn't they just be vanilla scum

[macmollie]

I think faraday gave an extra wc that you all have to make me meltdown on d1 and y'all are all in on it

it is the only thing that makes sense

eta: tammy

okay so you were wondering why I was not listening to goat people

that makes more sense

there are like a pool of 2 who's reads I will take on board as if it were factual. goat people are not in that category but voting quadz helped me to sort some stuff out, having said that, I am unsure on goat people and quadz

[macmollie]

Nastyrash

but yeah

VOTE: cephrir

[macmollie]

MOLLIE THIS POST IS FOR YOU PLEASE READ IT I AM REACHING OUT TO YOU WITH THIS POST

Syryana hit his good stride in about #660, I think, and hasn't lost it since. His posts after that are fucking on fire and I feel the same dancing beat that he feels in my heart so you can take the townread as one of the reads I could probably bullshit pretty hard but the truth is that it's a matter of the heart and I trust the little blood pumping motherfucker.

ooba I'm not *as* sure about but I got a good vibe from him early and so am riding on that for a little while. His followup posts firmed up the townread, and I don't think that the wagon on him is very good. I think I explained it a little while ago and read hasn't changed much from then, so I could dig that up if you really want me to?

What do you think of Desperado's opening and could you answer the questions the nice man asked you?

((Also @ Messiah in general: Why did you note that m&m's #212 was null? I noticed you didn't do that with anyone else, so I'm assuming that post has some special importance in FF's heart or something?))

I did answer messiah! he asked me about syrlacious and I answered him and you didn't like my answer. trust me if I ignored desp he would be all up in here screeching through the roof. unsure leaning town mebbe on them. the opening looks like they were taking their time to coordinate their reads and posts.

not as happy with sylacious as you but he and tammy are married so that will sort itself out. still worried about thor I we are on like what page 30 and he hasn't mentioned the p word not once.

this:

By the way, Nautilus, what is your read on mollie?

bothers the ever living fuck out me on so many levels and I think I might vote them for that. there are like 4 players on this site that I truly fear when I am scum and I just want to be dead right then and there cos I know I have no chance in hell. you, fery, patrick and cdb. that goat people are asking you what your read on me is, is just outright awful. I am not kidding nacho, I don't think you understand how bad it really is.

I forgot to add mac to the spreadsheet so far he has just been winging it so we will be able to produce a list soon.

[macmollie]

Er, WTF? Mollie, this head has played with you once. What were you expecting from us exactly?

flowers. a poem. something.

I suppose it could be argued that skype is a different medium but I would think that for cdb it would be easier not harder.

Mollie actually doesn't know, but she'll make up some unsupported conclusions in her head and then claim them as meta evidence against you.
Time to move away from the trainwreck that i annoyed I haven't demanded we policy lynch her yet (because that means...something alignment wise for me...?) and just sheep me.
I promise good things with a dead Alfred.

plz tell us moar about your butthurt thor cos it never ever gets old and I never ever get tired of hearing about it ever.

anyways, I was thinking about you today at work and I am thinking that it would be unlike you to claim miller as scum. it is a cheap way to play and I guess I think you would find it unsavory mebbe? not sure if that is right word or not.

so anyways I think you are town now and yaye I don't have to worry about you. I may vote alfred with you he said something that pinged I will have to go look at that again.

[macmollie]

mollie's do not touch don't even look at them funny if you do I will hurt you pile:

naut
tammy
syrlacious
kanye
thor

it seems like there was someone else but I forget who they were.

still liking tierce, p&j and messiah for town

I would like to hear more from teirce about the actual game altho her back and forth with thor is awsum

eta: ty tammy I already got there on my own but that will ensure that I won't get weird on him so ty very much

[macmollie]

omg goat people <3

I guess that is the thing that is throwing me off, is that I think cdb can send a really strong signal when he is town and I am not getting it here. it could the av head that is throwing it off, he always looks like pondscum to me.

anyways I will probably leave you alone for a bit.

[macmollie]

vote andrius

i wanted to say quadz was scum early on for something that i forget but the way he explained his read on me was like, solid fucking gold town. other people who are pretty much 100% town that not every1 may be ion the same page about: benmage, peacebringer.

mebbe benmage but I don't see peace person as belonging there

[macmollie]

Spoiler: macmollie

quadz vote = mac
amrun vote = mac?
#470 = mac
#568 = mac

I miss him
I wanna chat with him. Can you bring him out to play too?

Does guapo's rule have anything to do with why you voted quadz?

When did you get a good townread on Thor and why do you have a good townread on me? I figured I would look too town by now

Also, does this feel like a multiball game? I don't want it to be.

the votes were mine. I would have to look at those posts to see if they were mac's and tbh even then I can't always tell cos sometimes I forget what I post and he can sound just like me.

mac told me at the start that he has been having internet issues so his participation would be sporadic. I considered using 1 of the other hydras, antihero would have been fun. but I love this hydra and I like him with this group of players, it seems to be a good fit.

re: quadz - that (sort of) and the post was a wrong note. and yeah it does feel kind of like multiball in that the dispersion of the town herd seems like it is coming from a couple of different directions so either 2 (mebbe even 3) teams or very very good scum. or it is a game with a shitload of indies altho I have not really seen that on this site. personally I think every1 has a seekrit wc to drive mollie insane the noise to signal ratio is off the charts and I am sticking with that until proven otherwise.

I had moved thor to town when I considered that claiming miller was cheap play as scum but thor has kindly disabused me of that notion so he is back to feeling all sorts of wrong. I am not in love with kanye's #800 to #802 but his entrance looked really strong to me.

I have you as town but as you know I can get weird on you in a heartbeat. it depends on how well you can continue to dance and as you know even if you are scum I will still work with you and mebbe sheep your reads until I sort shit out.

but for right now, you just feel town to me.

@ every1 else

it is almost like some of you are acting like you don't know me and it is confusing.

ftr, I guess i really don't give reasons for my reads, the majority of them are based on timing and rhythm play which is a foreign concept to a lot of people and hard to explain in a wy that makes sense. I have a hard time tuning out town noise when it is super noisy and it is pretty noisy this game. I will vote my town reads to see who follows on to them, sheep my scum reads to what they will do, vote somebody for the hell of it or push on a town read to firm it up or call a jihad and push a scumread into the ground. there are reasons why I don't always give reasons for my votes, it is cos I am trying to fluidly glide in this game we call mafia while still learning the swordplay on this site. but there is almost always a reason for what I do, even if I am not always comfortable being transparent about it. I am orientating myself in the game and it may not look the like the same way you do it but it is what I do.

@ thor

okay fine I can't meta you blah blah blah are you freaking happy now. I will just make up reasons from now and get creative with them that way they will make sense to you.

@ zden

you asked me something I think and now I forgot what it was. I will look for it.

whoops

[macmollie]

I don't like either the sd or the sm pushes.

srs bizness now

[macmollie]

mostly sd

played scum with him once then he subbed out.

the play is completely different here.

[macmollie]

u scum tierce?

can u plz answer teh question?

[macmollie]

liking shadoweh

[macmollie]

u scum tierce?

can u plz answer teh question?

I'm as Town as they come. ^_^ No, I am not scum.

Please to be stopping defending SafetyDance when he's barely been touched and has yet to reply to satisfaction, kthx.

I am sorry I got confused for a moment cos I thought you wanted to hunt scum.

aren't you a meta diver? go look.

[macmollie]

peeps trying to justify a stup lynch when he is obvlynchbait

@ goat

it makes me sad that you are scum. like really really sad.

thor's push on amrun is at a time when it needs to happen

VOTE: amrun

[macmollie]

mebbe he comes off as forced cos he is newbtown worried about getting lynched.

or you mebbe right and he is scum and his scummates are trying to bus him.

there are actually a lot of reasons why he may across as "forced" but it may have nothing to do with his alignment.

he seems new. he seems like he is trying to find his way. <-----no way I am voting that, if he did something outstandingly scummy then yeah but he hasn't.that is why if he flips scum I will think it is a bus and if he flips town we know where to look.

[macmollie]

I do not do all the stuff folks here do.

I guage by reactions, tones and other elements that I will not explain

. Some I really cannot even fully put to words anyway as it is a general sense. Here, he comes off as forced. That is my reaction

We already have Mollie in this game...
Hint: it's not pro-town when she does it either.
Additional Hint: when a scumhunting "style" is described as "unexplainable" I always translate that to "illogical and should be ignored because they're making gak up and lack the grapefruits to just say so either to others, and possibly themselves."

look what you did thor you made poor sweet innocent wouldneverhurtafly pb replace out you giant bully

@ empire

congrats on passing the bar exam!

@ desp

yes I think the stup wagon is easy and not very legit.

my people of interest so far:

quadz - when I try to get a feel for him he is simply not there. usually when this happens the player turns out to be scum it is just hard as hell to get other people to see it. also he is pursuing peripheral things but dunno, he is on weaker end of the poi list and I have never played with him before tho.
goat people - I do not even remotely want this to be true but he is scum I am pretty sure of it and it makes me want to cry. strongest scumread
alfred - I also don't want this to be true but I think they are. never played with them before but they are hitting all of the wrong notes when they actually scumhunt. more waltzing required.
amrun - when she is town she is another 1 who can send up a super strong town signal. not feeling it here. and I don't like her fade which happened before the weekend.
garrut - I am not sure they have made a single post that liked but I really really want to talk to mac about it.

so what I have is a lynchpool of 4 people whom I like and it will probably be hard to come up with reasons that are convincing enough to push their lynches through. so I am looking around and seeing what else shakes out. zden is another 1 who is out of step and I might go with him in the end.

eta: a bunch of xposts

[macmollie]

I almost want to put tammy in the lynchpool cos of her abysmal taste in music.

[macmollie]

Hey!

[macmollie]

who would be your second choice?

[macmollie]

I still don't like Zdenek. Amrun has moved into nullish territory, though that may be due to her being less of a presence in-thread.

I'm also growing more paranoid of Goat; I think I may be unintentionally giving them a pass because CDB is the Coolest Dude.

so if I tried to push a goat lynch through would you still support it even tho we both would cry cos cdb and av are the coolest dudes?

can you help me try?

lets see what comes of it

VOTE: goat people

[macmollie]

@Mollie - he did replace out for that, and I actually don't even think it was that rude on my part. Maybe I'm a total jerk and can't tell, but I personally think I hit too close to home and that's why he reacted so strongly. Draw your own conclusions. It's still pretty clear that a scumhunting style that can't be explained lacks logic - that's pretty much the definition of a method that can't be explained.

I don't think you were a jerk but no one likes to be dismissed but you are scum so mebbe he doesn't understand that is what you are supposed to do. also I cannot logically explain how my microwave works it doesn't mean that it doesn't work.

You're wrong about Alfred also - look at his defense and reasoning to clear Benmage. That's pretty amazing scum play if he's scum. (well, I guess the could be buddies...but then it's really ballsy scumplay, so same reasoning to call him townish)

I don't even understand what you are saying here.

vote thor

you have my sword.

VOTE: thor

[macmollie]

If you built the microwave this would matter. Let me know if you did.
A microwave can be explained logically.

I always find it weird when people get so strung out about logic in a game that involves lies, deceit and treachery.

His defense of Benmage looks like town.
Make sense?
I'm not sure what's confusing you.

yabbut your premise is based on that alfred is not that good of a scum player or he and benny are scummates?

[macmollie]

@Mollie

http://knowyourmeme.com/memes/fucking-m ... -they-work

video made total sense to me

[macmollie]

@ thor

1. town is capable of subterfuge too. and often does. is that the axis you are spinning from? that only scum do this? I think not, you are too experienced for that.
2. I have no idea what he is capable of, why the wking?
3. refracted sunlight

[macmollie]

44 pages for me to read?

you guys are awesome!

should be done with it tonight hopefully.

[macmollie]

1. you are right. how am I supposed to lay hyperbolic traps if you keep evading them? it doesn't make you town tho it just makes you nimble.
2. cos I think he is scummy.

yabbut your premise is based on that alfred is not that good of a scum player or he and benny are scummates?

you never adequately addressed this.

[macmollie]

@ syrlacious

you iso him in this:

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=29629

and then tell me that it is even remotely the same.

you have 8 freaking null reads and you are bitching about his scum reads while ignoring that he doesn't really differentiate between null and scum? [redacted] you

your case is downright

terrible

and reeks of opportunism in picking on low hanging fruit (which only makes sense if you are scum) and elitism (which I am surprised at you).

silly me. I had this retarded incredibly stupid idea that we were supposed to lynch scum not go for the easy lynch "just because" but mebbe that is cos it is my wc to do that. jesus fucking christ I subbed into a game that was about as confscum as you can get without a view and he was mislynched over me. your push on him looks scummy as fuck I don't care what anybody says.

[macmollie]

he was scum you dummy

we were freaking

scummates

reading comprehension is a

thing

yanno as in you have to actually read it

tammy, naut, no. this freaking cannot be town syrlacious.

tbf, "not differentiating" between scum and null reads is stupid at the very best.

that said, this post came from town

stupid does not equal scummy.

someone was once kind to me in a game when I really needed it. he isn't going to learn how to get better if people don't give him a chance or teach him how to play better.

w/e you guys do what you want I guess I am stupid for wanting to lynch scum. mebbe I missed the memo that we were supposed to follow a different agenda

[macmollie]

His ISO also feels superficial as hell. Like, I dunno how better to describe it. It's that he's trying so HARD to look town. I feel like it's all an act. There's a bunch of on the surface scumhunting, but I don't get a thought process from it. It's just a bunch of stuff. Take his Nautilus read for example. He's got Nacho as "town as fuck", yet in his ISO he interacts with them in one post. In that post, he gives a bunch of responses to Nautilus, but reading them doesn't really give me that good "holy shit I think Nacho is so fucking town" feeling. This is true of much in his reads list; the people he takes stances on are ones he's hardly interacted with and

the ones he's interacted with the most (i.e. Thor) is in his null list!

In short, Cephrir isn't playing the way I know he plays as town, he's too serious, and his ISO is devoid of any kind of discernible thought process.

mebbe he has thor in his null list cos he said he cannot read him after making an extra effort to do so?

have you interacted with ever1 in your town list more than once?

oh god you really are scum aren't you

/kills self

the only thing that he has said so far that really stands out was his "safety dance an easy lynch?" and lo and behold an sd bw sprung up. shocking.

[macmollie]

mebbe he has thor in his null list cos he said he cannot read him after making an extra effort to do so?

have you interacted with ever1 in your town list more than once?

oh god you really are scum aren't you

/kills self

the only thing that he has said so far that really stands out was his "safety dance an easy lynch?" and lo and behold an sd bw sprung up. shocking.

[macmollie]

mebbe he has thor in his null list cos he said he cannot read him after making an extra effort to do so?

have you interacted with ever1 in your town list more than once?

oh god you really are scum aren't you

/kills self

the only thing that he has said so far that really stands out was his "safety dance an easy lynch?" and lo and behold an sd bw sprung up. shocking.

mebbe you should talk to mac for a while syralicious.

[macmollie]

ooba unsure, sd town, kanye town, benmage unsure, zden unsure

do you want an expansion of reasons why

[macmollie]

quadz vote = mac

DENIED

amrun vote = mac?

DENIED

#470 = mac

DENIED

#568 = mac

DENIED

I miss him
I wanna chat with him. Can you bring him out to play too?

DENIED

0/4 correct you cut me deep nacho

[macmollie]

ooba unsure, sd town, kanye town, benmage unsure, zden unsure

do you want an expansion of reasons why

I mean...

You don't have reads on a player who's one of the four seemingly serious wagons and one of the most outspoken players in the game, and it's been going for a bit under a week (not sure how long the outage was for as it didn't actually impact me at all). How is that even possible? There's 47 pages of content (or a lack thereof, in some cases). This isn't exactly difficult to form some opinions.

I assume you are talking about ooba person who your vote is on?

no I do not

I don't have any completed games with him so he is not a voice inside my head. I did not like his list of reads but that is mostly cos we were not on it. but do you know what is weird with your angle here? on 1 hand you are bitching at me cos I don't have a read on a player and then you go and say "there are 47 pages of content!" as if the 2 correlated when they are mutually exclusive. it is almost like you are trying to subtly and insidiously imply that we do not have reads period. but

surely

you wouldn't do that...would you? cos that is what scum would do. cos I am pretty sure that ooba guy has not posted in all 47 pages which is the only thing that would link the 2 statements together.

[macmollie]

he was scum you dummy
we were freaking

scummates

reading comprehension is a

thing

yanno as in you have to actually read it
tammy, naut, no. this freaking cannot be town syrlacious.

tbf, "not differentiating" between scum and null reads is stupid at the very best.
that said, this post came from town

stupid does not equal scummy.
someone was once kind to me in a game when I really needed it. he isn't going to learn how to get better if people don't give him a chance or teach him how to play better.
w/e you guys do what you want I guess I am stupid for wanting to lynch scum. mebbe I missed the memo that we were supposed to follow a different agenda

I think I know what it is about your posts that bugs me in general, spacing everything out to make the posts look bigger was something I did as scum, it doesn't make the post easier to read you know. <_< This is really confusing though, what are you talking about and what does it have to do with syr being scum? I don't mean him confusing your scumbuddy for being town, I mean the random line about 'someone was kind to me once' followed by you already giving up on lynching scum (even though your thor wagon is proceeding semi-decently?) I mean would you be convinced by your own posts to vote syr?

holy cow

you honestly think that I would purposefully space things out to make my posts look....bigger? and that this is an effective scum tactic with this player base and with some1 like nacho whom I have played like 40 games with?

I would do this and...nobody would notice?

I have no words.

[macmollie]

I would expect any player who's invested in this game and interested in seeing correct lynches go through to take the time to actually form an opinion on viable wagons and vocal players. You're going to naturally come to your own reads, but I rolled off 4 players that I would expect most players to have some sort of opinion on either way (and 1 whom I personally wanted to see how some people stand on), and you had opinions on two of them. The fact that some significant action has gone down around them and you have zero opinion on them screams scum to me.

:/

I have opinions on viable wagons and I have opinions on vocal players?

is there a viable wagon on benmage? I missed that

there are more than the 4 players you listed who have been vocal and who have had bws on them. how are you missing this?

also "unsure" is not a "zero opinion" it usually means I am conflicted about them.

also is this the second or third time you have misrepped my play here I cannot remember

[macmollie]

Have you ever considered not doing it? Look at how much nice and smaller it is when you're not pressing enter all the time!

have u ever considered stahp poasting? <----do you see how this works or do I have to spell it out.

And you didn't answer my questions, or were you just drunk and can't remember what you were talking about?

your questions were already answered in the previous posts where I said that syrlacious's push on sd for the reasons he gave was bad and provided a link. if you would stop talking in your scum qt for 5 seconds you would have absorbed this.

Bleh no one else cares about Cephir anymore. It's not that I'm not suspicious still, but I lack evidence bullets.

##Vote: ooba

<--- This vote good until ooba actually replacing out voids legal tender.

VOTE: shadowthing

[macmollie]

@ desp

yeah I am there with syrlacious. again. his possible rethink on his cephrir read screams town.

[macmollie]

kill list:

garruk
goat
quadz
cephrir

maybe bring death to these (but also: to be discussed):

tierce
messiah
alfred
SD
Stup

in discussion about:

ooba
agar
thor
tammy
shadow
amrun
zdenek
displaced

likely won't touch

benmage
kanye

don't touch

nautilius
elle
prideandjoy
syr

[macmollie]

mollie: I have been doing alot of stop posting this game. I haven't been posting unless I had something to say besides flirting with Tammy and Tierce. BECAUSE WESTEROS ISN'T RAINBOW-FRIENDLY
Also 'why do you think Syr is scum' isn't what I asked you.

I asked why you decided to put random garbage in your post, followed by an Eeyore-style 'i suck' depression moment, after reacting wayyyyy too seriously to Syr's posts. Is that clear enough for you?

that isn't at all what you asked me. mebbe you were drunk and forgot.

I think I know what it is about your posts that bugs me in general, spacing everything out to make the posts look bigger was something I did as scum, it doesn't make the post easier to read you know. <_< This is really confusing though,

what are you talking about and what does it have to do with syr being scum?

I don't mean him confusing your scumbuddy for being town, I mean the random line about 'someone was kind to me once' followed by you already giving up on lynching scum (even though your thor wagon is proceeding semi-decently?)

I mean would you be convinced by your own posts to vote syr?

the bold are questions, the crap in the middle was something that I could not even parse. I answered the bold, my mistake for thinking that since you asked the questions you actually wanted answers to them.

I find it funny that you can say my posts are garbage considering the odoriferous sewage that has spewed from your fingers. this is probably the last time I will respond to you for awhile cos tbh I am flat out running out of patience. I have already met (and exceeded) my quota for inducing meltdowns this month. I just want to have a pleasant game. so will you plz kindly leave me the fuck alone unless you have something reasonably intelligent to ask cos otherwise your angles are warped and if you are town you are seriously contributing to the noise factor.

[macmollie]

mollie's do not touch don't even look at them funny if you do I will hurt you pile:

naut
tammy
syrlacious
kanye
thor

thor's push on amrun is at a time when it needs to happen

VOTE: amrun

vote thor

you have my sword.

VOTE: thor

miolly what happened

what are you asking me here kanye

[macmollie]

thor what do you think of ooba guy?

[macmollie]

thor what do you think of ooba guy?

[macmollie]

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[macmollie]

VOTE: thor[/thor]

[macmollie]

I am not asking you about the wagon I am asking you about the player

stop conflating the 2

[macmollie]

@ thor

if you are unsure about him then just say you are unsure

it would be refreshing to witness a humble thor say he did not know everything instead of feeding this fencesitting jargon that you would never accept from another player if you were town

wat. is. your. read. on. ooba.

[macmollie]

whoa 9 post meltdown

thor you did not say he was neutral before I asked you so stop trying to act like you did

VOTE: thor

[macmollie]

whoa 9 post meltdown

thor you did not say he was neutral before I asked you so stop trying to act like you did

VOTE: thor

Actually, he did.

show me where

cos I did a word search and no

[macmollie]

@Garruk - If Amrun is your only scum read...why no vote on her? I'm here and alone.

I'm neutral on the Ooba push.
I'd support a Ceph push if people want to go back to that, the Amrun push is getting no love.
The Shadoweh push is bad.

Ooba opinion came here

thor what do you think of ooba guy?

Your question came here

ty syrlacious but that is thor commenting on the wagon and I was specifically looking for what thor thought about ooba as a player in this game that is why I asked. to me the 2 are very different and I don't understand why he is being so stubborn about it but I don't think I am going to get much more out of him.

also you looked at sd's play in the game I linked and even admitted that in that game and this 1 the 2 are very different. so at this point are you still thinking he is scum? cos I am telling you I really think you are wrong.

[macmollie]

also you looked at sd's play in the game I linked and even admitted that in that game and this 1 the 2 are very different. so at this point are you still thinking he is scum? cos I am telling you I really think you are wrong.

The game you linked was a scum game, yeah? Is that your only point of reference? Because last night I checked out a few of his town games and a scum game, and I don't see how you can call him town based on so little. In fact his play looks nothing like his town games I read.

I'm figuring he'll be flaking from here soon enough though anyway.

I think I have played 3 or 4 games with sd and yeah, he replaces out a lot.

the thing that I have noticed about sd is that as town he doesn't always know what to say but as scum he

really

does not know what to say. he is 1 of those players that I would like to give a little bit of space to and see what he is capable of.

the thing is, he provided a list in this game. having been on a scumteam with him in a nightless mountainous game, I appreciate the list.

[macmollie]

@Mollie - a "meltdown" isn't a scum tell when I am trying to explain reality to someone too dense to notice it who is also saying that "neutral" is not a read...somehow... I wonder if Syr will get you to notice reality? I wonder if I will be called on misrepping you. Oh gads, seriously, whut?

I agree, there is town flailing and then there is scum flailing.

I just want to get something straight tho, you are going to insist that I can't read you and then....get upset when I can't read you?

what you said was that you were neutral on ooba's wagon when I asked you about ooba the player

ooba /= ooba's wagon

also going to address agar's misrepping: when I reread that post the second time I actually did say to myself, "okay that is not exactly a misrep" mostly cos the argument is tied up in semantics in the difference between someone saying "unsure" and someone else saying/interpreting that as "zero opinion". the 2 are very different but since agar doesn't know me and know that "unsure" usually means I have strong but conflicting opinions I allowed it to rest for the subjective argument that it is.

@ kanye

sometimes I struggle in games. this is 1 of those games.

you missed this post between the 3 posts you linked:

Spoiler: macmollie

quadz vote = mac
amrun vote = mac?
#470 = mac
#568 = mac

I miss him
I wanna chat with him. Can you bring him out to play too?

Does guapo's rule have anything to do with why you voted quadz?

When did you get a good townread on Thor and why do you have a good townread on me? I figured I would look too town by now

Also, does this feel like a multiball game? I don't want it to be.

the votes were mine. I would have to look at those posts to see if they were mac's and tbh even then I can't always tell cos sometimes I forget what I post and he can sound just like me.

mac told me at the start that he has been having internet issues so his participation would be sporadic. I considered using 1 of the other hydras, antihero would have been fun. but I love this hydra and I like him with this group of players, it seems to be a good fit.

re: quadz - that (sort of) and the post was a wrong note. and yeah it does feel kind of like multiball in that the dispersion of the town herd seems like it is coming from a couple of different directions so either 2 (mebbe even 3) teams or very very good scum. or it is a game with a shitload of indies altho I have not really seen that on this site. personally I think every1 has a seekrit wc to drive mollie insane the noise to signal ratio is off the charts and I am sticking with that until proven otherwise.

I had moved thor to town when I considered that claiming miller was cheap play as scum but thor has kindly disabused me of that notion so he is back to feeling all sorts of wrong

. I am not in love with kanye's #800 to #802 but his entrance looked really strong to me.

I have you as town but as you know I can get weird on you in a heartbeat. it depends on how well you can continue to dance and as you know even if you are scum I will still work with you and mebbe sheep your reads until I sort shit out.

but for right now, you just feel town to me.

@ every1 else

it is almost like some of you are acting like you don't know me and it is confusing.

ftr, I guess i really don't give reasons for my reads, the majority of them are based on timing and rhythm play which is a foreign concept to a lot of people and hard to explain in a wy that makes sense. I have a hard time tuning out town noise when it is super noisy and it is pretty noisy this game. I will vote my town reads to see who follows on to them, sheep my scum reads to what they will do, vote somebody for the hell of it or push on a town read to firm it up or call a jihad and push a scumread into the ground. there are reasons why I don't always give reasons for my votes, it is cos I am trying to fluidly glide in this game we call mafia while still learning the swordplay on this site. but there is almost always a reason for what I do, even if I am not always comfortable being transparent about it. I am orientating myself in the game and it may not look the like the same way you do it but it is what I do.

@ thor

okay fine I can't meta you blah blah blah are you freaking happy now. I will just make up reasons from now and get creative with them that way they will make sense to you.

@ zden

you asked me something I think and now I forgot what it was. I will look for it.

whoops

the amrun vote was me looking around and seeing who was keeping quiet wrt all the action in the thread that was going on at the time. amrun was 1 of them. it seemed like a good vote regardless of what I thought of thor because of the timing of it. I can sheep thor's vote and still think he is scum cos a) he might be bussing or b) it might be multiball.

the above post came in between #791 and #967 so you apparently missed a progression there.

having said all of that I am unsure on thor. I give it 2 seconds before some dummy tries to paint this as some sort of scumtell.

I

wantwantwantwant

thor to be town so I can be done with it and leave him alone. this might be like the tater game tho, where I will think thor is town and then he comes in and messes it up and I am left feeling paranoid and panicky the rest of the game.

[macmollie]

I am pretty sure you never thought the former was true since I think you have accused me of it in nearly every game we have played together whenever I have disagreed with you.

having said that, I nearly want to weep with relief that you think tierce might be scum cos I have been having the same thoughts for a good bit and if tierce is scum then most likely so is nacho plz don't argue just entertain the idea for a minute.

kanye has been town since the beginning of the game but he is starting to solidify his grounding a good bit which I think this game needs.

I am moving you back to the town pile don't freaking argue just accept it even if it is cos there was a face in my cheerios that might have looked like the mona lisa the read is still valid if it is right.

[macmollie]

I took it to a ballpark.
What's the connection between them?

look how often tierce zeroes in on nacho; and look how nonreactive he is. about now I would expect nacho to be feeling uneasy about tierce and that she is using him as a smokescreen to mask her lack of scumhunting or doing anything constructive in the game. on mine and mac's spreadsheet I had her as town and mac has her as strong town but that is cos of her entrance and cos she is not behaving anything like she did in red wedding but then I would expect a strong player like tierce to mix up her scum meta. but she isn't doing

anything

I mean she is like the box that cereal comes in when it is already wrapped in plastic as in for all practical purposes she is useless except to look pretty on a shelf. it is for

that

reason I think it is multiball, not because she brought it up but cos of how she is behaving. it screams multiball to me plus I am sure you have heard me bang on at least once in a game about town moving in herds but in this game the town herd is very very dispersed and it is making me even more freakishly paranoid than usual.

tl;dr it reminds me of how angry pidgeon and I were in legends.

A conclusion being right does not prove the methodology used to reach it being valid.

good thing I made no statement about the proof of the methodology then huh.

[macmollie]

okay

I am going to step away from this game for a bit cos I am not just wearing a tinfoil hat I am wearing a tinfoil headdress complete with draping that hits the floor like I can't believe I just freaked out about nacho when he didn't just reach out to me he gave me a hug.

tierce that post was full of aTe so not sure if I am buying it.

anyways I feel really good about this vote:

VOTE: goat people

cos I am pretty sure that they have been around but are ignoring the game for some reason.

[macmollie]

not the only reason i don't like goat. 947 felt really fake. we have sd/stup down as lynchbait for today (until further notice) and whilst i'm not giving them a free pass they are pretty easy wagons and the goat hydra has jumped on both. claiming stup

was his only scumread

is quite frankly shit for two pretty competent players.

[macmollie]

WAAAAAAIT A MINUTE!!!

I see that as valid logic why Tierce looks scummy.

thor since when have you ever thought any of my logic was valid? name 1 other time in a game that you ever thought that something I said was valid or had anything to do with logic much less have any merit to it? in fact that is the whole reason as to why you always want to pl me and why we fight it is cos you say you can never understand a single thing I say. you're scum aren't you? oh god that is why you have been so civil isn't it?

VOTE: thor

no wonder the game is feeling so off there is a rotten apple trying to worm their way into town's core.

[macmollie]

okay I am in mafia love with alfred.

you hit the nail on the head about sd. he said in our qt that he overwhelmed and that he couldn't keep up and in over his head. I think he would feel it even more so with this playerbase.

and you are so town town town town. I am updating the spreadsheet so mac will know.

[macmollie]

Mollie - why did him making a reads list make you happy?

And if he mentioned being overwhelmed, what do you make of him not doing anything here?

has he even been on site? he isn't like goat people who has been posting elsewhere on site whilst ignoring this game.

in the our scum qt I think I talked about not leaving a trail that led to your team. except for his initial rvs vote on a teammate he didn't leave 1 so qwints had a lot space to work with when he subbed in.

iso his posts in that game. his posts were so painful and awkward that I knew at some point I was going to bus him at some point if it so I was really grateful when qwints subbed in. (sorry sd I don't mean to neg on your game I know you tried.)

the list is reassuring cos it leaves a trail. and if even if his scum game has improved and he does flip scum it should be easy to pick apart since newbscum almost always always always unconsciously put their scummates in the middle.

[macmollie]

Having half the game in one pile and the other half in another leads literally no trail.

Whatsoever.

It's the next best thing to having no reads in terms of leaving no trail.

Seriously, what the shit?

yes. it is. and I even told you why.

but it probably be useful to you cos you are too inexperienced with that particular tool for it to be of any benefit not to mention you are not even open to it.

which I find interesting. town doesn't try to shut other town's scumhunting techniques. and tbh your blatant bullying is getting old.

[macmollie]

*won't be useful to you

[macmollie]

okay I had typed up a huge long post that was eaten by the ethers.

and that is all I am going to say about that.

but anyways, I have town as

naut
kanye
alfred
elle
messiah
syrlacious
I have tammy, mac isn't convinced.

I realised when I was looking at things earlier that agar replaced andrius and not pb. it changes things a bit.

if people are wondering why I am so paranoid of thor it is cos I have been on a cult team with him twice and was horrifyingly fascinated at how good he was persuading people to go against their better judgment. it was like watching a really good episode of the national geographic channel.

I may try to recompose my big long post but I make no promises.

would like to see naut/kanye interaction cos you are the strongest town reads.

@ naut

mac and (me too actually and I will put us v/la status) work on weekends he will be back on monday. I will be here intermittently.

will talk to mac about the ooba wagon but so far we are like :/ unsure cos he was slightly out of step but not completely I simply don't know.

[macmollie]

thor since when have you ever thought any of my logic was valid? name 1 other time in a game that you ever thought that something I said was valid or had anything to do with logic much less have any merit to it? in fact that is the whole reason as to why you always want to pl me and why we fight it is cos you say you can never understand a single thing I say. you're scum aren't you? oh god that is why you have been so civil isn't it?

[macmollie]

OK read up now, sorry it took so long but that was a lotalot of words to read

VOTE: goat

for voting a townread because 'flips are needed' when a null read of his also has a viable wagon

8 > 4

What do you think about ooba?
What do you think about Thor?
What do you think about ... you get the picture.

the irony of this post is most astounding

[macmollie]

the irony of this post is most astounding

Sure, it's a direct parallel.

I bet you felt really smart with that post

I guess when you say "8>4" it makes what you say more than perpendicular

a reach out would have been nice btw

[macmollie]

some1 is grumpy!

[macmollie]

This head was about to express support for Zdenek's Amrun vote but then noticed the thing above about sort-of retroactive V/LA. We'll see what happens when she catches up.

so why didn't you help thor and I out by voting her before she went on v/la?

JESUS CHRIST PEOPLE GOAT PEOPLE IS SCUM!!!

VOTE: goat people

[macmollie]

Yes. Yes, they are.

I was starting to feel like cassandra and still feel like cassandra but at least 1 person is paying attention. he really really is.

[macmollie]

shadow person you could help me out by voting them and selling it door to door

eta: succinctly means short and I am not sure you could have gotten any shorter than mine or thor's naked votes

[macmollie]

okay

VOTE: thor

[macmollie]

@ mod: mac and I are both v/la for the weekend.

[macmollie]

tammy you are not crazy

was he town or scum that game cos I read the dead players list and the final credits and I can't tell

[macmollie]

Nacho, before I tell you who I think is a 'notable presense' can you tell me why it's actually relevant to anything? If you're questioning my alignment I would hope you'd ask something more relevant then who I think the cool people are.

It's the kind of question I'd gladly answer as scum because it doesn't mean anything

.

I found this funny cos even tho your answer was ladled in smoky screen soup, you still answered.

[macmollie]

SafetyDance is a good vote.
VOTE: SafetyDance

We can do better than Ooba.

you literally just did a metadive (and it was very good too) in which you came up with him as town. can you explain plz?

[macmollie]

do you actually have a reason mr. quadzypants or are you just slinging mud and see what sticks?

[macmollie]

WAAAAAAIT A MINUTE!!!

I see that as valid logic why Tierce looks scummy.

thor since when have you ever thought any of my logic was valid? name 1 other time in a game that you ever thought that something I said was valid or had anything to do with logic much less have any merit to it? in fact that is the whole reason as to why you always want to pl me and why we fight it is cos you say you can never understand a single thing I say. you're scum aren't you? oh god that is why you have been so civil isn't it?

VOTE: thor

no wonder the game is feeling so off there is a rotten apple trying to worm their way into town's core.

oh

oh my god

you

literally

just said "you don't think I'm a complete moron, therefore you are scum."

M&M is for vigging (or lynching, I wouldn't mind switching to lynching M&M after this post if the Ooba-wagon doesn't end up panning out)

I assume you are talking about this 1.

okay now explain the scum motivation behind that post

lemme guess there isn't any you just don't like it

[macmollie]

This is you taking a very weak meta-tell and using it as a valid reason for a vote. Absolutely scummy. You've got a whole paragraph explaining your vote, which boils down to "you are accepting my thought process, which you've never done before." It's a horrific tell, and it seems reeeeeally unlikely that anyone can make that case and really believe it's a scumtell.

wow its almost as if I had never been saying that thor looked scummy all day even tho I kept going back and forth on him but then my top 2 town reads were voting him too. if you look at my body of work there is a legit progression there.

this is like the scummy in the game so far I mean srsly freaking scummy

[macmollie]

@ naut

your posts from the night where you stayed up all night and seeing paranoid meltdown curling in the edges (but you never really gave into it) is what has made me put you in the town category cos I could so freaking relate. contrast that to both thor and goat people who have said "oh this game is hard to obtain reads" but aren't exhibiting the same paranoia and that is why they are both in the unsure mebbe scum pile. but thor is at least giving reads.

[macmollie]

So wait... because two fairly experienced, above-average players are both gathering difficulty in getting reads but not panicking, they're scum?

thor is at least mebbe if I try hard and work my brain it really is trying but goat people is doing nothing to fix that

[macmollie]

^^^pretty sure I already pointed this out buddy!

[macmollie]

it is probably going to come down to a sd lynch in this day round and I think we have 1 more day. I will only vote him in order to have a lynch and I think it is funny how some peeps are still trying to paint him as scummy when clearly he is being lynched cos nobody knows what else to do. I don't think he is scummy this is just how sd plays and it isn't going to get any better in this particular game. he could probably benefit from some honest feedback.

anyhoo here are some notes:

people of interest

quadz - twice not once but

twice

he has zoomed in on a single points into posts while ignoring the progression and continuity of what lead to a conclusion i.e., a single point did get us there like I said before it is body of work and seeing if the posts come from scum motivation or a town 1. to me, this screams scum cos shows no real thought behind the "scumhunting" he is attempting to do but rather just tossing out a "oh that post is scum!" which is pretty surface and seems more like fake scum hunting to me rather than the real dealio.
he has done 1 thing that I liked tho and that was his small reach out in in post #1123. it isn't a "ack! ack! ack! I am town" post like he needs to convince us he is town it is more of "hey you dummy I see it from this POV and I'm town" post. so he is unsure.

goat people - pondscum. I think we have pretty much covered this.

amrun - I agree with what thor said about her and that is actually why I voted her. her reaction was disproportionate to what was going on and her relation to the situ involved. I don't like the fade at all.

p&j - where did they go. no really where. I usually see a strong entrance like that and then a vanishing act as sort of scummy.

displaced - pb was acting weird weird weird. displaced isn't doing a whole to make it better. I actually would like to talk to naut about this.

tierce - will probably leave tierce up to mac and naut.

thor is doing that thing again where he is saying what I am thinking and I wish I knew if it was related to alignment. having said that

UNVOTE: thor

@ thor

ooba said the same thing about not being paranoid early on. so...noted.

liking

naut
kanye
tammy (altho mac isn't quite sold yet)
syrlacious
alfred
cephrir
messiah

don't like unsure/ambiguous reads

zdenk is barely registering, garruck is staying in the background, shadoweh is stoking fires and I have no idea what agar is doing.

[macmollie]

actually scratch the part where I said I liked that post by quadz, he was talking about syrlacious's post not his own. he is back to pondscum

[macmollie]

And I don't find him particularly scummy right now either - so it all seems to magically gel together.

I am fairly certain you feed my paranoia on

purpose

.

Liking Ceph is messed up.
I'm confused that you don't have a take on Shadoweh.
I think AGar looks conditionally town, though he feels soft spoken...that said it's been probably over a year since we played last so I really am qualifying that 'soft' call with flashing neon letters, that said, when he does post it looks like hunting and purpose to me, so I'm not sure why he's a nullish take for you since you wouldn't have my opinion that he should be more aggressive - what's up there?

1. there is nothing wrong with liking cephrir at this point except that you don't like him.
2. I am confused that you are confused that you don't know what ambiguous means. I will need more interaction/information to solidy a read.
3. there is a weird dynamic between you 2. mebbe you are missing I am not feeling all that great about you either even if we agree on some points. it almost looks like the classic 1 scum on 1 scum off classic play cos while you are both treating each other as town you are not working together in fact it vaguely looks like avoidance wrt your votes so far. there is only a faint discussion of reads sharing and yet agar is not doing anything with it, he is still trying to push the same tired agenda he has had since he entered the game.

what was

really

weird was when he said that once again I was avoiding an ooba lynch *as if that was scummy* when I was never scumreading ooba in the first place but yet he is not pursuing other players off of it (including you, it has been you that has been forcing the interaction) but instead hyper-focusing on us at the exclusion of all else except for his ooba push.

so what scumhunting are you actually seeing?

also this:

Also, @AGar
I did that thing we hate ;(

has beaten quadz for the scummiest post in the game

the dynamic honestly reads like pure scum theatre to me.

[macmollie]

hey benny!

you. I like you.

I don't know how many times I have said on this site that the most important town skill a player can have is discerning the difference between town flail and scum flail.

I still think how somehow tammy's meta case based off of 1 game that she didn't even play when he was only the site for 2 months is somehow more valid than mine where I have played with him as scum, against him as scum and both of us town. but hey what the fuck do I know.

Unvote

Oh my god, I want this guy to be scum so so fucking badly but I just can't bring myself to keep my vote on him. Based on what I know of him, I'll be absolutely fucking floored if he's reacting this way as scum.

Thor's probably the least bad of the major wagons right now since my last talk with 'marble had lessened my scumread on ooba considerably.

Vote: Thor

One of 'marble/myself will be around near deadline, I think, if anything happens.

P-edit: Really kanye? In that one scum game I looked at, this dude pretty much awkwardly clammed up under pressure. The reaction here is like night and day.

Same thoughts on the reaction. It's especially the "I told you so" attitude. Why wouldn't he claim a role he thought had a better chance of escaping the lynch? Doesn't make sense, he doesn't seem like the kind of scum player who would do that as an extra layer of WIFOM.

I think Thor is Town--the stuff he's been accused at is the kind of thing he does regardless of alignment. Not voting there unless we need that vote by deadline.

Thoughts on Messiah Complex?

1671 bothers me, he's not looking deeply enough

.

it bothers me too and if desp stopped and thought about it for a minute he would probably know why.

they are off of my like list.

VOTE: thor

[macmollie]

Meek players don't necessarily stay meek. "He clammed up under pressure that one time" doesn't mean he's obvtown now. Look at the content of his reaction and really evaluate your townread.

Except the scum game I looked at (same one mollie linked) happened recently (it began on June 28th).

Unless you're going to make the argument that he's improved his scum game to the point where he's able to react like this now as scum,

this argument doesn't hold water.

P-edit: Jesus christ, I literally saw this guy get accused of and wagoned for doing the exact same thing as town in The Wire. I townread him correctly there and I'm pretty damn sure I'm right now.

P-editx2: I don't know Tierce, let me think about it for a bit since shit's getting real now.

If you feel confident enough in calling this a 1 to 1 situation then I have absolutely no issue making the argument that he's approaching the same situation differently with the knowledge of the previous game in mind. He got lynched after clamming up, right?

I already addressed this.

How am I not looking deeply enough Tierce? I'm looking at SD's content, or lack thereof. He has Syry as uber town and Thor as a policy lynch. He has no read on Ooba, the other main wagon. He has no read on you or Tammy, the two people who orchestrated the push on him just now. How is any of this coming from the mindset of "I'm town and about to die?"

- Des

I told you guys this is how he plays.

[macmollie]

UNVOTE: thor[/vote]

VOTE: garruck

I would rather flash lynch tierce tbh tho cos I am pretty sure she is scum but I could not quite get it past mac altho I bet he will get on board with it now.

she came in strong at first but I have had her as scum ever since she was like "oh I am sitting back cos I am with a bunch of people who can read me and I don't have woooooorrry" when every1 read her as town in red wedding except for us. also her cosying up to nacho cos she knows if she can get him to town read her he won't let her get lynched. oh and then there was the "catching up, will in a several hours" and she didn't <---- she did this rw too! and when she comes back she doesn't comment on anything that she was "catching up on". she is scum.

I am so glad that some1 else finally

finally

might actually be seeing it.

[macmollie]

naut

you around

what do you wanna do here

[macmollie]

elleheathen, kanyeknowsbest, Benmage, SafetyDance, Zdenek, Alfred Borden, macmollie, Garruk Relentless, Tierce, Shadoweh

So there are probably about 3 scum in this mix.
I will rule out the ones I personally think are town.

kanyeknowsbest, Benmage, Zdenek, Garruk Relentless, Tierce

Once I flip, if Vigs and whatnot could kind of focus on this group.
I give *slight* clearing to Benny because I've actually got some belief that he would be this terrible as town with a weird tunnel and, in his defense, as terrible as it is he's literally the only person voting me who has bothered to really try to make a case of it - well, Elle vaguely tried, so one of two I suppose, if you squint.

Kanye is a pain to read for me, but he has flopped around on his attitude towards me repeatedly today, and the current push came from nowhere.
Zdenek is a forerunner in the lynch for being a Miller crowd, and has done nothing to expand on that, and also could be the early scum push and make a lot of sense.
Garruk feels very taped on, I dunno, I couldn't really describe his read on much of anything and he seems to be voting repeatedly with 'need a lynch' as the only reasoning, and even seemed to semi-distance from voting me even as he got on.
Tierce tried to justify her entrance (And was called on it by Shadoweh...which was nice except that he then sheeped...I dunno, Shadoweh felt town up to this point, I'm leaving him in my townish pile) But Tierce was like 'They don't do Millers! Lynch Thor!...oh, well, okay, they do Millers, but not *normal* Millers...lynch Thor!"
Newsflash - probably no one is a clear "normal" in such an obviously theme heavy game, and that she has trampled on reality twice to justify the vote makes her look really bad.

I'd like to see Tierce or Zdenek flipped sooner rather than later pl0x.
For the record, Vig, Displaced is still an *immensely* good shot.
Just saying.

fyi this was thor's final reads list

[macmollie]

he also had concerns about cephrir, goat people and had town reads on messiah, agar, tammy I think.

[macmollie]

I am not as comfy as the rest of you people are with goat people's claim. it could very easily be a fake claim and by all means I don't think he should be allowed to skate. their start of the day post "oh I need to fleeeeeeps" kind of sounded like a bit like reverse cheerleading but not quite. hhhmmm....

who was it that said that displaced did not look scummy was it alfred

sd, syrlacious was kidnapped/silenced/abducted by aliens or something I am leaning probably town

VOTE: garruck

[macmollie]

What a crap post. Macmollie covers everything but why they voted us and then they vote us. Without any reason behind it. Nonetheless where macmollie does explain things, there's no decisive decisions whatsoever. Make up your mind and explain yourself.

-SSK

:/

I haven't explained anything what I did was provide a list of thor's reads.

your posts on d1 were pretty crap why do you think there was a flashwagon on you

eta:

naut

why are you saying that you don't want to lynch sd but questioning desp for his reasons for not wanting to?

[macmollie]

Because I don't trust desp.

I don't trust agar.

discuss

[macmollie]

Elle is still on our suspect lists, but, truthfully, Elle jumped into that whole Thor/Benmage/whatever mess and I lost track(if you missed the implications yesterday that we weren't really reading their posts, at the very least I wasn't). We did briefly talk about her in our discussion, but it was just a little blip(we actually went down the whole player list, but didn't have much to say for most) and I figured our stance was already established.

In a word, you can call our read on her decayed. I still find the wight slip suspect, but have decided to shelve it until further evidence exists. On a tangential note, I do like Elle's entrance today.

As a side-note, were going to be a bit more active today hopefully.

The whole Thor/Benmage/macmollie thing yesterday got me in a slump and both heads here agreed to lurk it out

. At this exact moment, I'm doing what I do best--parsing flavor and setup info. I skipped the miller conversation yesterday because I thought Thor was town and I attribute Faraday enough skill to try to WIFOM his setups, but now I have actual puzzle pieces to work with(and will have one more important one after the lynch).

A curious note: you phrased that post oddly, ooba...hmm...I need to relook at this game with a blank slate.

wat thor/benmage/macmollie thing? there as a thor /benmage thing but thor and I were practically writing lovenotes to each other compared to our normal squabbles and benmage and I had very little to no interaction at all. so could you plz clarify tia

also noting that you were not reading your top scumspect's posts yesterday and that is just so ewww

not surprised you don't have any reads since all you have really been doing is whining about our playstyle and saying...you don't have any reads. <----

tammy sd was not the only 1 not playing the game on d1 there were a few

@ desp

since the game has been open less than 24 hrs it should be pretty obvious that was using "skate" in the past tense but rather in the present and future tense. I don't want him to do a fade coasting on the info he provided.

@ naut

where were you yesterday in the last hours of the day round. why are you voting amrun? why are you not trusting messiah? can we plz discuss some of our reads and see where we are at?

kanye you wanna vote garruck I just know that you do I read your tea leaves and that is what it said

[macmollie]

tierce I just iso-ed them and I didn't see where they did that?

[macmollie]

UNVOTE:

do you have any reads on alfred, goat people, kanye and shadow thing

[macmollie]

who are your scumreads

[macmollie]

So, a fun fact about when i joined this game. I asked a certain player why they weren't /inning. They told me "Pirate Mollie and Amrun". Fate has a strange way of cursing oneself sometimes.

I always find it weird when a person bangs on about something without ever truly saying what it is that it is that...they are banging on about. I mean if you don't say whatever it is about my playstyle that you don't like I can never really address it can I? it sounds like you have a problem with me as a person in which there is nothing that I can do about so...keep on doing on posting about it I guess? I mean as long as you feel like you are getting some type of reward out of it along with a dopamine uptake then by all means bang on.

Now, Mollie. First, by Thor/be mage/macmollie clusterfuck I mean all that discussion and boring posting. Second, to categorize elleheathen as our "strongest scum read" by the end of the day is ridiculous--i think we stated we were fully behind the Ooba wagon numerous times and I distinctly said that our read on Elle had decayed. Third, to say we have no reads is patently false. Both yesterday and today I have outlined what wagons we liked and disliked, and if you think trying to reread the thread with an open mind is somehow scummy, then you are truly a fool and I no longer wish to discourse with you.

I was responding to the content of the post that I posted to. also I don't remember "discoursing" with you in the first place, so far it seems like you just complain while I try to scumhunt you. I have also moved on mebbe my unvote was not clear enough.

1. okay well I guess you found elle's posts boring too since you said that you stopped reading them! mebbe if you gave a list of who's posts you are reading that would make it easier to see where you are coming from? it will actually help me. so far I have tierce and cephrir.
2. you said your read on elle had decayed...today. at the end of the d1 round it looked more to me like you were fishing for a convenient wagon to jump on.
3. okay

On PnJ, I expect some amount of content from them today. I had a fairly strong town read on them mid-yesterday, but the complete falling off the map is worrisome, although understandable considering we did the same thing.

(If this post seems angry, its because it is--this is the edited version no less)
(And so were clear, with the exception of the one post SSKsigned, its been all me today)

okay

[macmollie]

I wish I could ISO 13 people in 6 minutes.

1) This head started its look back with no current scumreads from the Thor wagon because, hey, we'd already have said something if anyone had already looked like somone who knew Thor would flip town.
2) Reading back, we get back to rereading #1761 (having seen a few other Thor voters around the end of the day whose positions looked fine). It prompts us to read all mentions of Thor in elle's iso.
3) We trust that our interpretations from before were still largely good, apart from this thing we didn't notice at the time (length of post an issue, this head pretty much skipped over it when first posted).

While we accept that the process 2->3 might recommend us to then re-examine

everyone

for other stuff we might have missed in order to make such a clean statement as #1964, we're just going to go ahead and run with the thing we found.

oh god you are such scum

VOTE: goat people

[macmollie]

Look, obviously we want to give you the "strong signals" that you mention in #794. This head is sitting here, trying to figure out what it is you want us to do that would show you that. We don't want to be figuring out how to drop towntells for you because that shouldn't be the point but it is beyond irritating when you drop in after every bloody thing we say and see scum from it because you've confirmation-biased yourself six ways from Sunday over a huge impression you wanted earlier but didn't get. It is distracting and off-putting, made worse by the fact that we've got a pretty strong townread on you so we're pretty sure it's an example of mega-silliness - of which, as established on Skype, you are capable, if not outright prone - rather than a malicious attempt to get a mislynch off us.

If you want us to change our avatar for 24 hours so you can look at us slightly more freshly when you actually consider what we're doing, let us know. If you would like to tell us why we'd claim the results we claimed Today as scum, let us know (because, duh, we wouldn't).

grrr....

that moment on skype was cos I was waiting for you to tell me what you wanted to do. I don't expect you to understand it.

UNVOTE: goat people

I am not following your elle vote, I don't see how that was her knowing thor's alignment ahead of time at all.

can you break it down for me

[macmollie]

okay

[macmollie]

Also, to note regarding the Alchemist - http://www.westeros.org/Citadel/FAQ/Ent ... in_Oldtown. Murderer of Pate, probably Jaqen H'Gar. Not sure what that means here, but figured I'd share it just in case someone has a bright idea.

I gathered that from the cryptic statements and the avvie.

I think they are having fun with their role.

Mollie, do you always flipflop so much? Your willingness to vote for or work with Goat has been all over the map.

its almost as if you don't know me cephrir

Mollie can you walk me through your thoughts in 1978, 1982?

I thought I kind of explained to goat people why I voted them in #1978; it was their vote on elle. are you wanting to know why I am them as town for now? it is cos of the emotional internal consistency in their responses. I think they are wrong about that post and I am struggling to see how on earth they are seeing that that post implies that elle knew thor's alignment ahead of time. I don't like their post #2012 to quadz where he says he thinks that naut's post #1956 felt exaggerated and thought it might be due to nacho feeling "less likely to be townread this game". like that is so divorced from d1 reality it is not even funny. so they have been moved to null but treating as town for now to see where it goes.

[macmollie]

This was once Syryana. No longer.

Vote: AGar

If you're who I think you are, thank fucking god you replaced into a slot I'm finally reading as town for once.

On a related note, why AGar?

when were you scumreading syrlacious?

[macmollie]

Well my initial thought was that the replace out here was kinda town since I think he'd be more likely to be offended by someone putting down his playstyle to the point of replacing out as town (and I vaguely remember him posting in MD about people shitting on his playstyle here before he left). I didn't think anything of the replace out in Wingate Mansion for obvious reasons, but now that you mention it, it might be worth checking out to see if he only replaces out like this as scum.

*anxiously awaits to see what alfred comes up with*

[macmollie]

Ok so here are all the finished games PeaceBringer's had since his return to the site: Wingate Mansion, La Isla de la Muerte, Antihero Mafia (cut very short due to thread implosion), Chef Mafia.

He was scum in two of them -- unfortunately, Antihero Mafia imploded way too quickly for the tell to be reliable. One thing I noticed is that he had an obscene amount of posts in Chef Mafia and I vaguely remember him being run up in that game as town + eventually being nightkilled (meaning he didn't replace out). Might be worth going back to his past to see if this was a problem then but I'm about to head to lunch and this might turn into a full on meta report so I want to do this when I'm more attentive.

so he was scum in 2, town in 2, replaced out both times as scum

that isn't why I originally said his replace was weird ohso long ago tho

[macmollie]

@Tammy, Syryana - Congrats!
@Empire - Congrats too!

Till I re-read the game, I actually thought the Tammy, Syryana wedding was an actual IRL one. Even during the re-read of the early game, I was like "I usually thought people were busier than this before weddings; she posts a lot and has time to teach?". Anyway, thought that was funny enough to share.

you are adorable.

so glad some1 else picked up on the weird replace out too wrt timing. I didn't know he had replaced out before as scum, interesting to find out tho.

in my notes I have "why is kanye staying away from him [peacebringer]?" but I can't remember what I was thinking at the time.

[macmollie]

On a related note, why AGar?

Gut. And more recently, 2047.

what is it about that post that you did not like? the stickiness of his read on ooba or the elle vote?

VOTE: displaced

it would be a travesty to let that thing slide

[macmollie]

Mollie you know you're voting someone whose about to be replaced right, seems like a waste to jump on him before there's a new one?

and you do know that the best way to deal with a slot that keeps flying under the radar due to frequent replace outs is to put them under the spotlight...right?

[macmollie]

oh and welcome spyrex!

[macmollie]

I will just be happy if you stop wasting time and just post something worthy of reading

[macmollie]

I think Walking Dead was a unique situation that isn't likely to replicate itself--if you look back our D1 townblock is almost entirely the group of people that were most active during the 4 hour D1--maybe it was just circumstances or coincidence, but the town was really, REALLY ready to start playing that game and all of the scum got left out completely (sans Thor). I don't see that sort of situation happening here, do you?

see I hate this. the walking dead was not unique, in fact it is my favourite way to play. on the site that fery and I come from it is pretty much standard practice and I was surprised that it was not used on here. fery is better at explaining things that I am plus she is more persuasive. nacho gets it too cos he has seen how it works but the vets don't seem to be open to it so it is hard to get them on board (I tried in red wedding and no, it didn't work) and if nacho would have gone that route I would have supported him cos he is a better orator than I am although I have been able to do it micros and some minithemes, depends on the playerlist.

we could still do it, it starts with 3 and if he is still townreading you we could try. tammy might be open, mebbe tierce.

mac is still struggling with internet issues and when he was catching up last night he said he felt like he was in over his head so I may ask faraday if I can bring in another hydra partner.

@ naut

I am starting to get cranky and suspicious that you are not working with me on hammering out reads. do it w/o elle plz lets just start.

[macmollie]

question for tammy

did syrlacious imply in your qt that he was going to disappear? cos the alchemist said that the disappearance was role-related and I am wondering why you haven't commented on it much.

[macmollie]

I don't get the point of this question.

I don't get the point of any of her posts she is stalling.

tammy how do you feel about a town bloc between you, messiah, naut and I?

it isn't just about voting together it is about moving people in the town herd category and moving who doesn't belong there out. wat say you

[macmollie]

also will you guys plz just leave naut to me for a bit tia

[macmollie]

I always ask questions, and they always have a point. In RC's recent completed "Chosen Mafia," OMGL criticized me for pointless questions when the question had an OBVIOUS fucking point, and more to the point, scared scum enough that they NKed me n1. The point of my question was that a scum player was treating OMGL as chosen, so if OMGL was chosen, that player was scum, and if that player flipped scum, OMGL was chosen. OMGL flipped chosen, no one lynched the obviously scum player after my death, town lost. No one "saw the point" of my question.

I get this every fucking game. I'm kind of sick of it.

in case you are somehow missing it, we are waiting for your catchup post and a summary of your reads

VOTE: amrun

do it