A uPick of Ice & Fire - Day 12 - #REKT?

[StupendousMan]

VOTE: Andrius

No godless man may sit the seastone chair.

[StupendousMan]

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Quadz

Lots of fluff posting without much content. His vote/unvote of elle seemed really awkward. However, at this point it's mostly a gut read. I still have some reading to do, so this may change.

[StupendousMan]

@Tammy- Care to elaborate on that vote?

I wish people would townread me for being snippy.

Hmm... nope.

[StupendousMan]

are you town or scum this game?

Are you serious? Explain what this question would accomplish, if anything.

@Tammy- Care to elaborate on that vote?

I wish people would townread me for being snippy.

Hmm... nope.

I'm waiting in line at a Chipotle but I just want to say, holy fucking shit, my kingdom for a doublevote right now.

I expect some reasons from you whenever you get the chance instead of casting baseless suspicion.

[StupendousMan]

@Tammy- Care to elaborate on that vote?.

I didn't like your one "content" post.

So, you saw my vote, which means you're reading along, yeah? Any thoughts on the game so far?

Only the more recent pages. I skimmed over the rest. Quadz is still scummy. Cephrir's posts are good. Not much else at the moment. I still need to read more before making any major conclusions.

@Shadoweh- You're null so it would've been pointless to comment on your alignment anyway. I was simply pointing out that your attitude doesn't make you town. Mollie's question wasn't scummy, but I don't see any reason for asking if someone is town or scum.

mebbe it would make him claim town

I want them to send up a strong town flare cos if they are town they are good for the game

why does this bother you

So as soon as someone says "I'm town" you believe them?

[StupendousMan]

Sorry, still here. I will be gone most of today, but I'll post later tonight.

[StupendousMan]

Unvote
Vote Goat

Mainly for their interaction with Benmage which seemed like they were just trying to be antagonistic.

Mainly? What else caused you to make that vote?

[StupendousMan]

zed do you think that i would try to call someone out on rolefishing as scum unless i was positive i could put a lot of momentum behind it?

I just think that scum try to jump on reasons to accuse people of things that are generally regarded as scum-tells, and when someone does that, and it's not the thing they're suggesting, it's scummy

This post becomes relevant in the quote below.

Also, people were jumping to claim it being a scum slip that the scum team were made up of wights, which is impossible. Faraday picks roles first in upicks. Then he picks alignments. A wight could be town, while Rob Stark could be scum.

What do you think of what Tierce and Shadoweh said about this?

Anyway, I don't buy that the mods would have informed the miller about the presence of non-standard cops, so Thor's miller claim looks bogus,
- I'm a miller, but you could still investigate me as town.

Unvote
Vote Thor

In this post he does the same thing that led him to think KKB was scummy. He jumped onto the easy "that claim is bogus so you're scum" argument. He contradicted himself and went for an easy vote target.

Eh. I just read through a list of roles, and at this point, there's really no use in pushing Thor on the matter.

I'm getting the feeling that you backed out of the issue to avoid any further suspicion. Are you trying to say that you were unfamiliar with the commonly used miller role? I don't think so.

Unvote
Vote Goat

Mainly for their interaction with Benmage which seemed like they were just trying to be antagonistic.

Still hasn't answered as to what his other reasons were, and I don't think he has any. His vote is weak, and it looks like he only voted just to leave his vote somewhere.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Zdenek

[StupendousMan]

Why do you care what it can accomplish?

When you ask something that accomplishes nothing you are doing nothing to contribute and are either fluff posting or scum. Since it seems like mollie's playstyle involves a decent amount of fluff, I'm going to consider it null.

Why so eager to defend yourself?

You don't let someone off the hook when they provide no reasoning for their suspicion.

Desp, I admire your efforts to put a reasonable case together, but I think you can do much better.

[StupendousMan]

Safety Dance having so many scum reads does not make me feel good about him.

I disagree. It would be a bold move for scum to give out so many scumreads this early on. It is definitely a strange list, but I don't see much scum motivation there.

[StupendousMan]

Seriously? It shouldn't require an explanation... A list like that draws attention to yourself which has obviously occurred in this game. It would be beneficial to scum not to make half the people in the game upset.

[StupendousMan]

@KKB- No offense, but I can't believe you're being serious right now. What's so hard to grasp about a large list with no reasons being a stupid move for scum? It's also a stupid move for town, therefore it's null. Please clarify what is wrong with what I just said because I'm not wrong.

[StupendousMan]

As much as I love to troll people who ask for reasons/cases on themselves, I'll make an exception just for you because I'm a nice guy:
- #370 very quickly after Tammy had silent voted you. This means that you've been following along but not really saying a whole lot. I want to know why that is.
- You also comment only on a pretty meaningless line from Shadoweh in that same post and nothing else that shoots down her assertion of townieness. Again, I want to know why that is and what your thoughts on the game are.

Thank you very much, sir.
- Believe it or not, I actually opened the page only a little while after Tammy's vote, so I immediately responded.
- That small statement caught my eye, and I hadn't read much of anything else. My current thoughts are that Zdenek is scum. Town are macmollie, Thor, you, Tierce, Amrun, and KKB. Everyone else is either null or I forgot about them. I don't have time to go much more in-depth than that.

[StupendousMan]

Desp, you should vote Zdenek with me.

@Tierce- Empire said something polite in the post where he addressed me, so I returned the favor.

@Shadoweh- Who do you think is scum right now? I'm too lazy to look back.

[StupendousMan]

Oh shit, I didn't even see this page. Disregard what I wrote to Desp.

[StupendousMan]

@ Stup: Already did. What's the rest of your scumpool look like?

I honestly don't have any real foundation for my other scumreads: Quadz, Shadoweh, PeaceBringer. They are all gut so I've kept quiet about them. It's actually kind of funny that I have so few scumreads since earlier I said that scum wouldn't give out too many scumreads. But yeah, that's it. Actually, if I look back I might be able to find some reasons for why I think PeaceBringer is scummy.

[StupendousMan]

That makes even less sense since the only way I'm scum is if I'm scum defending scumbuddy Zdenek, and your concept of Zdenek scum is that he's scum for attacking me for my claim in a scummy way.

So the only way for you to be scum is defending Zdenek.... Why couldn't you be scum for just saying something scummy?

[StupendousMan]

Does ooba usually try to make his reads look good with colors and hyphens? He's null for me right now, but I'm really curious about that. Also, Quadz has moved up again on my scum list, so I believe a vote is in order. Reasons coming later.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Quadz

[StupendousMan]

Can anyone answer why exactly ooba is scum? I see a lot of "ooba's posts are bad" and "vote: ooba" without much explanation. I know I should be paying more attention, but I'm super busy. This may be a better push than Quadz, since nobody will vote him and I'm having a hard time finding anything other than gut. I want to put my vote somewhere useful so if anyone can answer my question that would be splendid.

[StupendousMan]

Sheepin.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: ooba

[StupendousMan]

Agar

[StupendousMan]

Even though Ceph's wording was strange, I don't think it was scummy. It doesn't look like an apology. It reads more like "oh hey, now I see that kanye is town."

@Kanye- They are, but those wagons aren't going to happen.

[StupendousMan]

StupendousMan, how much offsite mafia experience do you have, if any?

A tiny bit.

[StupendousMan]

Agar

Why?

This post right here. What do you think of ooba?

[StupendousMan]

First thing firsts looking at recent VC and 3 days to go ~ I am happy to join the Thor wagon, I agree with Benmage's 518 and D1 is the only optimal time to do so.

Vote: Thor665

Why Thor over ooba? Is Benmage's 518 the only reason you think Thor is scum?

[StupendousMan]

I was actually feeling really good about the ooba wagon. Can we get that back?

[StupendousMan]

I think Thor and SD are town. Thor is a stronger townread than SD, though. So I would only vote SD at deadline, but I still like the ooba wagon. Thor, I believe you asked me why, and the answer to that is too many of ooba's posts are defending himself or making weak cases. Pretty much what AGar said a while back.

UNVOTE: I still think its a good wagon though. If were going to policy lynch someone for a miller claim, I don't know why were all no can't policy kynch someone who's refusing to actually play the game and decides to be cheeky and dodgy when he does show up.

Why did you unvote if you still think it's a good wagon? We don't have that much time left...

[StupendousMan]

VOTE: Nautilius

I think the wagon on Thor was shit, and Nacho has made opportunistic votes more than once. He voted me when his reasoning was "resorting" which is BS. Then he voted Thor without reasoning. Then he jumped on the SD wagon. Then he went back to Thor without saying anything. I feel like his attempts at scumhunting this game have been weak. There are a lot of simple questions like "Why?" that don't seem to be truly scumhunting.

Still cool with an ooba or quadz lynch. Zdenek is still scummy for voting Thor for claiming miller and letting the vote hang there.

Really not liking all of these people who ended up on Thor that are good with both Amrun and ooba as well.

+1

[StupendousMan]

Unvote

Vote: messiah

lets go big guy

...I don't understand this at all. Are you just trying to be different or what?

[StupendousMan]

@PnJ- Answer this:

Unvote

Vote: messiah

lets go big guy

...I don't understand this at all. Are you just trying to be different or what?

I like Amrun's vote a lot. She is still town.

I don't like Goat's vote on elle because she definitely thought Thor was scum the whole time, and her persistence was very town.

[StupendousMan]

How do you feel about the fact that Ooba is and has been my number 1 scumread?

Doesn't really change much, but (below)...

I don't like 1956 from Nautilius at all. Reads like fear from scum-Nacho who

reeeeally

wants people to believe he's town.

I completely agree with this. If you help me get Nautilius lynched you will go in my town pile and there would be a wonderful scum flip.

[StupendousMan]

@Mod-

Day 2, Vc 7

Nautilius (2) -

StupendousMan, Messiah Complex

Nautilius (1) -

Amrun

I still want to hear chesskid's reasoning for the Messiah vote because so far Desp has been mimicking my thought process which makes them super town.

@Alchemist- Why are you voting AGar?

[StupendousMan]

Unvote

Vote: messiah

lets go big guy

...I don't understand this at all. Are you just trying to be different or what?

Why are you defending Messiah?

Because Messiah is obvtown and I want to know how the hell people view them as scum.

[StupendousMan]

so far Desp has been mimicking my thought process which makes them super town.

[StupendousMan]

These next few days are insanely busy, so I'll be having LA until Sunday.

[StupendousMan]

If you guys could stop fucking around and making stupid quicklynches that would be great. I don't know about you, but I'd prefer to lynch scum. I've given my reasons for this vote, and I'm sticking with it because they're scum.

VOTE: Nautilius

[StupendousMan]

Goat, do you agree or disagree that Naut is scum?

[StupendousMan]

If you guys could stop fucking around and making stupid quicklynches that would be great. I don't know about you, but I'd prefer to lynch scum.

I've given my reasons for this vote,

and I'm sticking with it because they're scum.

VOTE: Nautilius

That is the worst way to help a "campaign" on the person you want to see hung.

How hard is it to type a few words or highlights as to why?? Is it not fresh enough in your memory? Do you not want to trip up?

Highlights:

Naut has done nothing to convince me they're town. But they have been too caring about self-image, unable to come up with their own cases, and lurking away from any pressure. Why are people not seeing this?

[StupendousMan]

*insert post to remain in the game without adding any content*

[StupendousMan]

UNVOTE:
I like Naut's recent posts. Also, I'm thinking Zed might be a better lynch.

AGar's last few posts seem to focus on himself.

And are people seriously thinking Messiah is scummy just because they don't agree with his reasoning for Spyrex? I'm pretty sure I saw that somewhere, and those people move up on my scum list.

[StupendousMan]

Goat, what do you think of Shadoweh?

[StupendousMan]

AGar's last few posts seem to focus on himself.

Ok so what conclusion have you drawn about AGar's alignment from this?

Well, earlier he was very town. So I'm not going to ignore that. I suppose that puts him in the unsure region.

Also, before I forget,
VOTE: Zdenek

[StupendousMan]

I can guarantee someone is going to try to say the "before I forget" is scummy. That person will instantly become my top suspect.

[StupendousMan]

PnJ, are you going to go after anyone besides ooba?