A uPick of Ice & Fire - Day 12 - #REKT?

[The Alchemist]

Yarr.

[The Alchemist]

...Alchemist is Syryana, quadz.

Incorrect.

[The Alchemist]

This was once Syryana. No longer.

Vote: AGar

[The Alchemist]

Syryana's disappearance is role-related.

That's all I've to say about that.

[The Alchemist]

On a related note, why AGar?

Gut. And more recently, 2047.

[The Alchemist]

People voting SpyreX should be sheeping me.

Vote: AGar

[The Alchemist]

Getting to this tomorrow.

[The Alchemist]

Glass Towers, I don't have much meaningful to add to Nautilus' analysis of Andrius. Though for the sake of concision: Andrius' play was null. I see nothing in his ISO that's beyond his faking abilities as scum.

[The Alchemist]

This is quite possibly a dodge of prods.

[The Alchemist]

Prod received. Back later.

[The Alchemist]

Everything is to my advantage.

[The Alchemist]

She won't tell you anything.

[The Alchemist]

I will enjoy watching you try.

[The Alchemist]

Your problem is assuming I

am

Syryana.

[The Alchemist]

How is this not the behavior of someone who is completely screwed as scum because there are several players who can read his scum game in this very thread, and whose only recourse is to play the crappiest cryptic impersonation game possible?

Someone's suffering from confirmation bias!

[The Alchemist]

I'm afraid I'll be the one laughing in the postgame, dear.

[The Alchemist]

(the audience gasps)

Just Empire gasping, most likely.

[The Alchemist]

Three prod dodges in a row--there's no way that's coming from Syryana-Town who has several sounding boards in this game.

You really haven't read any recent Syryana games, have you?

[The Alchemist]

Three prod dodges in a row--there's no way that's coming from Syryana-Town who has several sounding boards in this game.

You really haven't read any recent Syryana games, have you?

I couldn't care less that you're on vacation. Either contribute or die.

I have been contributing. You dipshits refuse to lynch AGar.

[The Alchemist]

Oh, please. That is a hell of a push on AGar, truly impressive.

Considering you've come out of hiding purely to mislynch two, almost three townies now, you're running a great track record yourself.

[The Alchemist]

To this extent? Where he fell completely off the map and produced literally zero content?

And ruined todays discussion.

Its a fucking policy lynch at this point. Such behavior cannot be tolerated on this site. HE ACTIVELY COASTED and is now causing a black fucking hole in this game. Town demise with distractions, apathy, and stagnation. Its fucking disgusting.

Lynch and be done.... and hopefully Faraday grows a goddamn pair and blacklists him.

I love being a black hole! I'm scientifically significant!

[The Alchemist]

christ sakes

Hello quadz. Perhaps

you

would like to talk to me? I'd like to think there's

someone

civil around here.

[The Alchemist]

Could you claim?

I could! I don't particularly want to, though.

[The Alchemist]

Perhaps you would like to talk to me? I'd like to think there's someone civil around here.

Your AGar lynch isn't happening. Would you please join the SpyreX wagon?

Certainly.

VOTE: SpyreX

[The Alchemist]

See what civility gets you? You should try it sometime, Benny boy <3

[The Alchemist]

Could you claim?

I could! I don't particularly want to, though.

Please claim.

Only for you.

Role: Jaqen H'ghar

Ability 1: Change your face - 1-shot commuter that transforms me into the Alchemist. I vanish one night and reappear the next day.
Ability 2: Valar Morghulis - I hand someone a coin. That person may submit a character name to Faraday; if I'm alive during the next Night phase I'll kill that person.
Ability 3: A man can take a life: I'm a ninja!

[The Alchemist]

unlimited
or whatever

Nope, 1 shot. So's the coin.

So, I hand someone a coin once, they submit a character name once. I get no more coins, they get no more names.

[The Alchemist]

Deeeath Note.

Ryuk is so much more badass.

how come tammy doesnt have your coin

Because we didn't know any character names at the time. So I felt it wiser to keep the coin.

[The Alchemist]

I assume you still hold the coin?

Why on earth would I answer this?

[The Alchemist]

i know it sounds crazy
but let's just lynch him

This brings me back to Hunter Hunter...

[The Alchemist]

Defending your shittalking lazy self brings me back to Hunter Hunter too >.>

I think it's more feeling "anti-town" than "lazy" at this point, tbh.

[The Alchemist]

"I have lurked through the entire day to the extent that people thought I was a different player, but here, have an unproven claim!"

Umm

1) The CES thing was both deliberate and hilarious
2) Am I not talking proof of at least one of my abilities?

[The Alchemist]

Nacho, what do you think about Quadz?

[The Alchemist]

I thought quadz was town earlier but he's been throwing out moonlogic the whole game.

Why did you think he was town earlier?

[The Alchemist]

He usually has a below the surface coast scum meta, not anything really like we've seen here.

Fair enough. Unfortunately he's not the only one spouting moonlogic at this point.

What do you think of Agar currently?

[The Alchemist]

##Vote: The Alchemist

This is an interesting swap. Weren't you just yesterday speculating about how what I've been doing wasn't actually scummy? Why are you switching now?

[The Alchemist]

By the way Nacho, the coin thing only works on flavor names. So we couldn't just, kill Zdenek. Or whomever.

[The Alchemist]

well i'm talking about lynching people atm

Obviously. But I didn't want ya to formulate some grand plan to secretly garrote

Benmage or Tierce

AGar or Zdenek based on faulty information <3

Pedit: I forgot about that

[The Alchemist]

Not off the top of my head, but pretty sure she claimed in the QT.

Not handing my coin to anyone who would kill her though.

[The Alchemist]

A 1-shot vig tied to flavor isn't particularly powerful in a 24p setup?

[The Alchemist]

You know, no matter what else I've done or may yet do this game, I will have one single, incontrovertible achievement:

I got Benmage to stop talking.

[The Alchemist]

- "I gave it to Nautilis and he mysteriously died overnight"
- "I appear to have been roleblocked so no one got a coin"
- "Did I mention I'm a ninja so no one will ever see me use this action so it's unprovable if either of these happened?"

And in the best case scenario:
- "Okay, you have received my coin! Now you must keep me alive for yet another day to use it"

Uh, you do realize I already confirmed 1/3 of my role, right? Not to mention the fact that were I to claim something "to keep me alive", it'd probably be better than "shitty 1-shot non-self-controlled ninja vig dependent on flavor information"? I know, WIFOM, but really now.

[The Alchemist]

You confirmed 1/3 of your role to keep yourself alive instead of using it to give a vig shot to someone and keep chatting with Tammy. Besides, people like vig shots and it does look like your shitty non-self controlled ninja vig is going to buy you two days.

Well, yeah. If I died with Tammy, I couldn't do my vig. I don't understand what point you're trying to make.

[The Alchemist]

You confirmed 1/3 of your role to keep yourself alive instead of using it to give a vig shot to someone and keep chatting with Tammy. Besides, people like vig shots and it does look like your shitty non-self controlled ninja vig is going to buy you two days.

Well, yeah. If I died with Tammy, I couldn't do my vig. I don't understand what point you're trying to make.

It sounds like she is trying to say that by commuting and transforming you wasted time you could have used to send out the coin and have been sent out to kill already. Instead you chose to do what you did, then wasted all of our time by playing the way you have.

Which is entirely wrong. Good to know.

[The Alchemist]

Hey Nacho, if you were me, who would you give your coin to? Yourself excluded.

[The Alchemist]

Syr, coin goes here or I will look sternly at you.

Your gazes are the stuff of legend....

... which means a man must give a coin to ooba.

[The Alchemist]

@Tierce:


VOTE: Zdenek

[The Alchemist]

Valar dohaeris, m'dear.

D'you wanna talk about last night?

[The Alchemist]

Tierce is town.

[The Alchemist]

UNVOTE:
VOTE: SafetyDance

[The Alchemist]

I can't believe people policy lynched thor over this lurksack day one. I hate you all.

[The Alchemist]

Roleblocking didn't hurt the coin, either.

[The Alchemist]

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Titus

[The Alchemist]

Alchemist, why the Titus vote?

A wild combination of sheeping Nacho, losing faith in my scumread of SD (the reaction he gave was not in any way shape or form what I expected), and upon reread of Titus' ISO I am comfortable with lynching her toDay (this merits a longer explanation than I have time to write right now, but suffice it to say I think she's scum largely because all the shit she's been doing/asking has no discernible goal in mind other than to look busy).

[The Alchemist]

Roleblocking didn't hurt the coin, either.

Ooo. So you know what you did? (Don't say who you targeted, just answer yes or no.)

Man, I am so much better than Arya Stark and Jon Snow at this game.

I do know what I did. And didn't do. And you being better is relative, considering.

Alchemist, why the Titus vote?

A wild combination of sheeping Nacho, losing faith in my scumread of SD (the reaction he gave was not in any way shape or form what I expected), and upon reread of Titus' ISO I am comfortable with lynching her toDay (this merits a longer explanation than I have time to write right now, but suffice it to say I think she's scum largely because all the shit she's been doing/asking has no discernible goal in mind other than to look busy).

Dear S,

Please go read some Titus games and compare player skill throughout before making this assessment.

Love,
T.

I'm not saying Titus scum based off skill. I'm saying Titus scum based off the complete lack of any goal in her actions. Which, if you'd read said Titus games, you'd know what I was talking about.

The emphasis in the second quote is mine, btw.

Wtf. I claimed my night two action yesterday. IT WAS DAY THREE!!!!!!!!!!!!! ARE YOU SERIOUSLY SAYING THAT I'M LYING BECAUSE YESTERDAY WAS NOT DAY THREE!!!!!!!

WTF IS THIS SHIT.

Seriously? And I'm the fucking VI here?

Fuck sake. This game has been a real eye-opener that was for sure in regards to experienced players here. Just wow.

Hey. Why don'tcha try reading? People don't give a lively shit WHEN you've claimed what. People are scumreading you because you've claimed two conflicting actions on the same gods damned slot.

[The Alchemist]

Syryana: do you know the flavor name alone, or do you happen to know the player name?

I know the flavor name only. As well as the fact that name does not exist in the game.

[The Alchemist]

I have a few things to say.

I look forward to it.

[The Alchemist]

And I would thank you if you didn't share the name with the class, Syr. We know this person is not in the game and would not be aligned with the Realm if it were, so we're going to see if by any chance scum decide to use fakeclaims (yes, in a uPick), because hitting this name as a fakeclaim would be delightful.

I agree. Hence why I remained silent when you mentioned talking about last night not being particularly fruitful.

[The Alchemist]

VOTE: quadz

No defense, no questions. Clearly caught scum here.

[The Alchemist]

That question doesn't even make sense.

Welcome to Titus.

[The Alchemist]

There's a hell of a lot more coordination and missing premises that actually exist IMO. The premises, if those were all that exist are valid. They are not sound.


Valid = if the premises are true, then the conclusion must be.
Sound = premises are true plus a valid arg.

[The Alchemist]

I do not vote someone who I am leaning twn on especially while confused. That is prime stock for leading a mislynch.

God forfend you be seen leading a mislynch, right?

More votes on this, pleasekthx.

[The Alchemist]

Well y'all are just an impatient bunch are you. This was over one hundred pages and I had to fucking respond otherwise it would just be oh no herpalurk. The one thing I don't do is lurk. So I at least try to be helpful until I have the opportunity to be read. It wouldn't be a god damn problem if people weren't pushing my mislynch so damn hard. So yeah, I haven't read everything, but don't act like it's because I don't give a damn. That pisses me off.

This is a crock of shit. You've had 5 days to read said 100 pages, and you sure as hell haven't been nonstop answering questions for 5 days. In fact, most of your time has been spent asking dumbass questions that would have answered themselves had you actually read the thread.

Fake anger? Check.
Blatant AtE to divert own lynch and excuse lack of thread reading? Check.
Overconcerned about being called a lurker? Check.

For Pete's sake I'll just claim now that way when I seemingly ignore all the damn questions y'all have it will be because I am reading and then I'll have to catch up on that. You cannot have it both ways, either I can try to contribute, or I go dark for 48 hours. Period.

My, so we can't read a couple pages, check for questions, read a couple pages, etc.? Lolno. I like your attempt to threaten us with "going dark" though! You should totally do it. It would really show us who's boss.

I am a one shot night stop. I stop all night actions on the night I bold a particular phrase. All investigative roles can verify because they get a result with my flavor name. It starts with a V. My ability is perfect to use at mylo because that then gives the group two lynches. Of course, that requires me to actually have the ability to live and read for two fucking seconds. I'm probably dead now so fuck off. Thanks a lot.

1-shot global roleblocker when we already have a claimed roleblocker? Loldie. Also, last I checked, 5 days > 2 seconds.

Lies. Slander. AtE. Claim that says "hey guys I'm great at mylo, you shouldn't kill me!". Hmm.

Mina

Shadoweh. Come throw a fit (and vote!) at this chick plzkthx.

Also if Glass Towers could stop being a lurkaderp and help us dispense some fiery Camorri-style justice that'd be great!

[The Alchemist]

bus.jpg

Now help me bus or I'll NK your ass.

[The Alchemist]

UNVOTE:
VOTE: SafetyDance

[The Alchemist]

Alchemist - you know what I am. Taking into account a swingy upick that has some claimed bastardish time elements, and taking into account roles before alignments, what do you think the likelihood of me

(Town!)

, a macho cop

(Town!)

, a permanent roleblocker

(Town!)

, a global roleblocker

(Scumfuck!)

, and a joat with a roleblock

(Scumfuck!)

all being on the same team is! I might need help before I jump down the rabbit hole.

There you go. As to your question of does it make sense to have all that shit on one side, nope nope nope (scum would get REKT, town would be essentially vanilla against all that)! Dive gracefully into the rabbit-hole, ex-wife!

Also of note:

I am a one shot night stop. I stop all night actions on the night I bold a particular phrase. All investigative roles can verify because they get a result with my flavor name. It starts with a V.

I redirect all actions to me, including kills. No oneshots (killing investigative or otherwise would be used). Cops get my flavor name.

Tammy, I am a one night global roleblocker. When I trigger, it will be obvious as all cops get my flavorname instead of their result.

Evidently SD ain't the only scum havin trouble keepin his fakeclaim straight!

[The Alchemist]

Alch, all those say the same blasted thing. Everything is redirected at me tonight, which acts as a global roleblock. Cops get my flavor name that starts with a V. Oneshots don't get used.

Global role blocker isn't the same thing as global ascetic lightning rod. Or whatever the hell your "I redirect everyone except kinda sorta cops who get unusual results once they're redirected to me mwarharhar" is.

One shot ninja would be redirected at me. I am immune tonight. No one dies.

So you redirect passive and activated abilities that don't (and can't) target you too?

[The Alchemist]

Hmm.

UNVOTE:

Tammy, what are you thinking at the moment?

[The Alchemist]

UNVOTE:
VOTE: quadz

[The Alchemist]

VOTE: Titus

[The Alchemist]

*checks thread*
*sees Titus isn't dead*
*leaves thread*

[The Alchemist]

UNVOTE:
VOTE: PrideAndJoy

[The Alchemist]

Alchemist called that "moonlogic" - which is similar to SpyreX stressing my D2 "SpyreX-Messiah" case and then calling me a toolbox.

Moonlogic is a pretty tame term for it, considering my usual style and the fact you've been using associative tells (and I use the term very loosely) without flips.

[The Alchemist]

VOTE: Nautilius

[The Alchemist]

damn i had a bet with myself that you were gonna get paranoid and not vote me or something

She ain't fery, man.

[The Alchemist]

VOTE: Goat on a Raft

[The Alchemist]

can i ask why alchemist hasnt killed ne1 yet

Coin's long gone, man.

Tierce, Tammy, watchu thinkin rite now?

[The Alchemist]

V/LA until Sunday

[The Alchemist]

I see people are talking to me, finally!

I just drove like 6 hours; I promise I will respond once I get done passing out.

[The Alchemist]

Work hell back tomorrow

[The Alchemist]

Mmmm who thinks Alchs a ninja?
-Maybe whoever does could think he's an X-shot ninja?

@Shadoweh: not a gunsmith

I think Alch's a ninja.

I also think you should fullclaim.

[The Alchemist]

dodge back later

[The Alchemist]

VOTE: Cephrir

Pedit: this was so fucking close to a garruk hammer i had the gif and everything but i cant i just cant do it

[The Alchemist]

prod received still not hammering back later

[The Alchemist]

There once was a man from Nantucket
who sat his fat ass on a bucket
he started hearty and hale
but twas a bucket of fail
so he blew himself up saying "fuck it"



VOTE: Garruk Relentless

[The Alchemist]

The part that resonated with me is that he usually gives up when guilted this late in the game. I'm probably going to lynch Syryana tomorrow regardless of what the hell happens.

Yer like four Days late on that one mate.

[The Alchemist]

Well, that was fascinating.

Can I die now? Please?

[The Alchemist]

Considering I've wanted to be dead since, like, Day 5, how is me wanting to be dead now claiming scum?

[The Alchemist]

Magua can blow me, inc megapost

[The Alchemist]

Problem #1: 3000 fucking scumreads. Scummy by itself? No. Scummy when considered of the context that he's done jack fuck to narrow the list? Hell fuck yes.

Problem #2: Reaction to scumslip. As town, when somebody else goes up to me and says "LOL YOU SCUMSLIPT LOL", the immediate town reaction (in my humble 13er opinion) is some variant of "lolthefuckyousmokintierce".

What did we get? "What? I scumslipped? Where?" *looks for scumslip for 20 minutes* "Oh, you mean that?" *proceeds to overexplain scumslip*

Hmm...

Problem #3: Best reasoning for anybody being in his scumlist is "X is most likely to flip scum." No reason X is scum. No indication of thought process. No indication of scumhunting. Hell, corollary to that, there's no reason anybody in his list is any alignment. The moral of the story: THERE'S NO INDICATION OF THOUGHT PROCESS OR ANY KIND OF ALIGNMENT HUNTING IN HIS READS LIST OR ISO.

Questions?

Case #2 is made because a player wasn't making an effort to narrow the list of scumreads (doesn't make a whole lot of sense, considering Syryana had a small scum pool when he made his list and didn't appear to be making an effort to increase his pool of scumreads).

The scumslip reaction point is decent, but nothing that gives me confidence he could possibly be town.

The no indication of alignment hunting in his ISO is decent, maybe, but it also ignores a lot of lurkfucks.

I haven't the foggiest what you're trying to say here. You're accusing me of hypocrisy, I guess? If I twist my head slightly and squint it appears you're saying that there's nothing in that case that makes you think I'm town. I'll assume that's what you meant and add to this later.

As for Cephrir, my primary reason for scumreading him is because I recently saw him up close and personal as town, and this ain't

nothin

like I saw him play.

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... er_sort=Go

It's a bit of reading, but Ceph is laid-back, personable, pops his reads out here and there, scumhunts in a leisurely fashion, etc.

Here? His tone's completely different; he's very serious, almost formal. He's been super serious in his interactions and has been almost totally oblivious to the tempo of the thread; none of the playful banter present in 527, ignoring all the trolling going on, etc. Hell, he's so profoundly literal this game that he latches onto my mollie troll, takes it seriously, and proceeds to agree with the dislike of lurking

right after saying he's seen nothing townish from me.

(which is another reason i think he's scum but it helps my tone point so dealwithit)

His ISO also feels superficial as hell. Like, I dunno how better to describe it. It's that he's trying so HARD to look town. I feel like it's all an act. There's a bunch of on the surface scumhunting, but I don't get a thought process from it. It's just a bunch of stuff. Take his Nautilus read for example. He's got Nacho as "town as fuck", yet in his ISO he interacts with them in one post. In that post, he gives a bunch of responses to Nautilus, but reading them doesn't really give me that good "holy shit I think Nacho is so fucking town" feeling. This is true of much in his reads list; the people he takes stances on are ones he's hardly interacted with and the ones he's interacted with the most (i.e. Thor) is in his null list!

In short, Cephrir isn't playing the way I know he plays as town, he's too serious, and his ISO is devoid of any kind of discernible thought process.

And, number three! It's not an absolutely horrible case, but it's based mostly on gut.

Now, these three posts constitute the majority of content in Syryana's ISO, if not the entirety of anything worth reading. But, if we're looking for nuggets:

Again with the whole not really saying anything bit. "It ain't bad, but it's gut based"? Did you miss the whole tonal analysis bit? Should I have thrown in meta to back it up? What is it you'd have expected from Town-Syr? Last I checked, gut suspicions transformed into a case is sort of my modus operandi. But what the hell do I know about my own meta, right?

Your quoted cases here (you missed the first one, by the by) don't really seem to accomplish anything except to give you something to insert snide little comments like "mostly gut-based" and "nothing that really gives me that town feeling". The second is particularly a flat out lie, considering this:

tammy it is bothering me that tierce did not address my question about you except to blow it off and then syrlacious still...trolls.

am I being overly paranoid

oh and can you stop pestering the love of my life?
merciless trolling with minimal content is a mode of Syr-town and I <3 it.

Syryana hit his good stride in about #660, I think, and hasn't lost it since. His posts after that are fucking on fire and I feel the same dancing beat that he feels in my heart so you can take the townread as one of the reads I could probably bullshit pretty hard but the truth is that it's a matter of the heart and I trust the little blood pumping motherfucker.

...huh. I'd swear you thought I was town. Yet, if I recall correctly, your above case to this point says you never saw anything in me that you thought could have been town. Maybe you changed your mind shortly thereafter?

Nautcho, what about Tammy's explanation switched you off of Alchemist?

This doesn't really feel like Syryana's scumplay; I can't really see him showing up in thread just to give Tierce the middle finger and then disappearing back into the dark inky abyss.

They aren't my strongest Townread by far, and probably fall among the chaff that needs to be culled if the game isn't over at some point, but I don't think they're scum.

As long as you have this perspective, you're still alright with me.

I'm willing to vote The Alchemist as soon as someone tells me why Syryana wouldn't give his coin to a buddy and just stay quiet about it. Do you think Faraday told him he couldn't give the coin to buddies? Because that just sounds stupid.

He could have given it to me, who wouldn't have shot one of his buddies. Why wouldn't he have done that?

...and almost four thousand posts later, you're still defending me. Why the hell would you defend a scumread? Why does your "case" as to why I'm scum imply you never thought I was town when you've been hard defending me all game? Let's set that aside as well and continue through your case.

Oh, please. That is a hell of a push on AGar, truly impressive.

Considering you've come out of hiding purely to mislynch two, almost three townies now, you're running a great track record yourself.

I don't think that this is something Syryana says to a townTierce. I don't think that Syryana would fire back when he knows he's lazy and playing like shit to the whole "well you've mislynched people!". In HunterxHunter when he got lazy as fuck, I do remember him pulling a bit of a "oh hello hello I'm being lazy as fuck so kill me" act, but never do I remember him ignoring the fact that he isn't doing shit and discrediting someone else (a friend, no less) and saying that they are mislynching people.

This was copied and extrapolated almost directly from a post in Tierce's ISO. I forget which one it was and frankly can't be arsed to look it up at the moment. Two points of interest about this here: first, Tierce (whose name you've incidentally been waving about like some long-dead saint's underdrawers) initially made this point, yet ultimately didn't believe I was scummy for it. Why? Note the lack of Alchemist votes in her ISO. If she'd thought I was scum, she'd have voted me. Simple. Easy. Point number two, compare the above quote to this one:

Nautcho, what about Tammy's explanation switched you off of Alchemist?

This doesn't really feel like Syryana's scumplay; I can't really see him showing up in thread just to give Tierce the middle finger and then disappearing back into the dark inky abyss.

Well. Why the change of heart, old boy? You didn't think I was scummy for it then, why do you now? (Note: I'm leading up to a theme here, can you guess which one?)

VOTE: quadz

No defense, no questions. Clearly caught scum here.

This reads a bit strange to me, considering he wasn't pushing any sort of case on quadz earlier (when I was suggesting that I no longer thought quadz was town for shitty moonlogic, Syryana event went "well a bunch of other people were pushing moonlogic earlier"). He'd later jump onto quadz, sure, but the timing of this is still pretty strange.

I don't think I've pushed a case on anybody since Day 1, excepting possibly Titus. How does this make me scum? Furthermore, I was asking you that because I was beginning to suspect quadz. You reinforced that suspicion with your comment about the moonlogic (I was concerned he wasn't town precisely for that reason), but your comment about his scum meta being lurky as hell and generally nothing like his play here assuaged it to the point I discarded my suspicions and figured "hell with it, he's probs town". Of course, all you have for this is my word, as I never bothered to document my thought process ITT. Take it as you will.

Alchemist - you know what I am. Taking into account a swingy upick that has some claimed bastardish time elements, and taking into account roles before alignments, what do you think the likelihood of me

(Town!)

, a macho cop

(Town!)

, a permanent roleblocker

(Town!)

, a global roleblocker

(Scumfuck!)

, and a joat with a roleblock

(Scumfuck!)

all being on the same team is! I might need help before I jump down the rabbit hole.

There you go. As to your question of does it make sense to have all that shit on one side, nope nope nope (scum would get REKT, town would be essentially vanilla against all that)! Dive gracefully into the rabbit-hole, ex-wife!

And then, immediately after this, he suggests quadz is town again for claim. We all know Syryana has a weak point for calling his partners town for their fakeclaims when they probably won't get lynched when they make them, but the complete readflip is again a bit strange.

Your perspective here seems to be a "how does this fit scum-Syr" instead of "how does this make Syr scum". I more or less answered the part about quadz just a moment ago. Saying I townread quadz for his claim is an oversimplification even without my thought process documented in thread, and your second sentence is particularly guilty of confirmation bias at the very least.

The part that resonated with me is that he usually gives up when guilted this late in the game. I'm probably going to lynch Syryana tomorrow regardless of what the hell happens.

Yer like four Days late on that one mate.

And again, a case of not the response I was expecting. Me saying that I was going to policy lynch Syryana was more of a testing for reactions as opposed to a serious charge (I happily defended the fuck out of him in HunterxHunter because he was infinite town then), but him sort of shrugging at my suggestion and going with "yeah you're a bit too late on that one" seems less like a normal reaction to me and more like a lazy scum reaction because he knows he still has a decent chance of surviving a couple more days thanks to noise noise noise.

My lazy scum reaction is to not post at all, as you very well know. Second, your policy lynch suggestion was not a reaction test and we both know it. If it was a reaction test, you'd not only have said so then but you wouldn't have bothered to say it again here:

This game pisses me off so horribly based on how beautifully it started that I am probably willing to burn a policy lynch today. On Syryana. And Jesus fuck I never thought I would say that.

If the first post was a reaction test and I failed, why on earth didn't you say it immediately? I'll tell you why. It's because that post and the following one were leading up to (trajectory change! <3 fery) this lovely masterwork of a shitpot case calling me scum. Reaction test my ass, you just didn't want it to look weird when the Syr-scum-case popped out. I'll elaborate after your second half.

n1 elle had not killed anyone
n2 goat had not killed anyone
n3 quadz had not killed anyone
n4 pnj, resulted in "VICTARION"
n5 alfred had not killed anyone
n6 ceph had not killed anyone

Second piece of the case on him is this. Quadz, on N3, hadn't killed anyone. Now quadz on N3 hadn't under an approximate fuckton of pressure, but he wasn't at all in a better position than any of his other scumteam members. Zdenek? Ooba? Benmage? Cephrir? No, no, no. What would make sense is Alchemist submitting the kills because he's a ninja, and quadz not doing so as a result. This theory would make kkb's results useless, but I think it makes sense given the quadz result on N3 especially (and maybe even the alfred result for some of you for still suspect the hell out of him).

Side note: these results aren't useless, because I'm not scum.

REMEMBER THIS IF/WHEN I DIE

There is a hoop to jump through in order to believe Alchemist-scum that comes in the form of Tammy and "why give coin to town?", but let's talk about both of those things now. For one, immediately jumping out of the neighborhood with Tammy in order to be a useless shit and pretend to be not-Syryana is scummy. Why not use his free vig kill as an additional scumkill? Well, there is the matter of being neighborized by Tammy before he could even give it away, needing something to claim, and then not being able to make a magical kill appear without Tammy being dead. Scumteam might have had different priorities Night 1, didn't want to kill Tammy like that, so Syryana went for the towncred route. It's also a bit... strange? He waited so long to give his coin away/didn't look for someone to give his coin to? If town, he would be wanting to pass his coin off early and get a kill early, but talk of passing it off only came after he claimed, which again is strange.

Boiling it down:
1)immediately jumping out of the neighborhood with Tammy in order to be a useless shit
I jumped out of the neighborhood due to the fact that it turned us into lovers, which we explained. The useless shit was due to a combination of RL reasons, pissiness with the Thor lynch and more recently, quitting Mafia altogether. Not scummy.

2)pretend to be not-Syryana is scummy
Pretending to be someone else when handed a golden opportunity to do so is scummy coming from someone who's a known troll? (Or at least known for trolling, I do actually play Mafia from time to time)

3) didnt give the coin away for so long
Well, yeah. Nobody knew anyone else's name, which the coin-kill was completely dependent on. I in fact gave it away at the earliest opportunity I had to know someone else's name: Tierce's mention of knowing a name. I didn't give it to Tammy because I suspected she'd be an early NK and cause the only names we knew were each others' (can't remember if she mentioned it ITT or in the QT). There was no point in flavor fishing early on to throw the coin out there, for obvious reasons.

Again, you're cramming me into the scum-mold while flat out ignoring all the inconsistencies. Gotta run fast over that thin ice, eh?

Meta Reasons:

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... er_sort=Go
Here is a newbie game where Syryana quickhammered a jailkeeper on D1 in a newbie game. There are his normal townmarkers of posting more content in this newbie game than he has in a 228 page Large Theme with a great playerlist, but the biggest takeaway that I got from his play in this game is his play after the quickhammer; he realizes that he did something stupid, plays townie as hell and ends up getting nightkilled because of his aggression and the fact that he managed to outplay so many others despite the bumpy start that would get most players lynched. I think that Syryana does care about the town when he plays, and is willing to admit where he's experiencing failings in his play and adjust as a result; the fact we're seeing no such evidence here is alarming as hell.

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... er_sort=Go
Here is an open game where I ended up pegging the fuck out of him D1 for "not trolling". I think this scumgame significantly changed Syryana's scumgame in a way where he realized that opening "feelings" were just as important to his scumgame as producing words and pushing lynches were. It would explain why his opening was so trolly, so playful; he might have been trying to avoid the pitfall that happened this game. I will also note that his content is a bit lacking in this game (in part due to V/LA, but also in part due to being scum), although he did end up producing more content in this scumgame than he has here (which isn't a good thing, I promise you).

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... er_sort=Go
This is an old but pretty impressive scumgame of Syryana's. The similarities in this game compared to that game are the periods of inbetween, where he doesn't feel so much like posting. He doesn't mind coasting for short periods of time when he can get away with it, doesn't mind bussing a partner whenever they fuck up. Multiball, so easier to legitimately scumhunt.

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... er_sort=Go
Jokey opening, nothing else of import, replaced out.
No content! (scum)

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... er_sort=Go
Lazy as fuck, no content, busses a fuckton. Also uses a similar "I will help you bus" attack on our slot that is voting scum which reminds me of the Titus attack elsewhere in the game.

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... er_sort=Go
Another town game, another demonstration of more content than he's posted in this game.

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... er_sort=Go
Another towngame, has decent posting. #478 blows all of the posts that he's made in this game completely out of the water, meaning that it's yet another towngame where he's posted more content there than he has here.

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... er_sort=Go
This scumgame he has a similar light opening to this one, once again fails to post any content.

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... er_sort=Go
Confirmable town, has a hell of a day 1 where he dumps an approximate fuckton content into thread Day 1 (again more content than he's posted in this game).

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... er_sort=Go
HunterxHunter Mafia, the closest game that I compare to his play in this one, but the end result isn't actually very close for two reasons. 1) Syryana made a giant case on me and pursued it for a very, very long time. Secondly, the town was stomp thwomping the fuck out of the game and he fell off and lurked because busy, but even then he never expressed the same attitude he did here, instead adopting a bit of a "kill me, this is absolute trash" attitude.

So, as you can see, there's a trend of him posting more content in one day of any of his towngames that he's posted in this current game that is on Day 9. I think that his Day 1, in the end, is sort of townish based on the trolling and the smooth interactions with people, but I think that interaction is at a level he can fake and is comfortable faking. I know that he has been getting apathetic with mafia as of late, but I don't see his apathy not translating into any kind of guilt and instead into a blame-shifting game like it has in his reactions to Tierce, and I don't see him posting so motivated on D1 yet somehow managing not to produce any of the content that is so consistently present in his towngames. I could see him posting to a lower level in later days maybe for a little while, but this being the last game that he will most likely play for his break, I can't see him neglecting everything so thoroughly, so completely unless he is scum. There's also his behavior in and of itself; he's willing to push for his own directions and yell at people when they don't follow him, why? He never expressed that kind of attitude in any of his towngames. He's shown pretty much zero signs of his normal "I've fucked up, either I gotta die or step up my game" attitude that I would be expecting if he were actually town in this game. He's also nudged along weak not perfect reasoning for him being town and jumped on wagons in an opportunistic way that didn't happen the last time he was lazy town.

Your point in five words: lack of content = scum. You're ignoring a hell of a lot of context and misrepping the fuck out of the HxH game to throw yet more reasons why I'm scum at the thread. I'm not going to debate this on a game by game basis (unless someone asks me to) but you're basically going "hey he lurks as scum lurklurklurk look how good these towngames are gaiz he's not town killkillkill). For those of you reading these games, here's a tip: check the dates. I haven't had a good game in a while as either alignment, due to fuckery (mod and player instigated) and flagging interest. Lurking's not a scumtell for me anymore, folks. Hell, go read any hydra game I've participated in as Rift Adrift or Pyrotechnics. I've a grand total of <10 posts in any recent game from those hydras. In fact, Nacho, why'd you leave all our Oil Tycoons games out of this? You should know full well how my game's been progressing (regressing, really) lately. You didn't mention Time War, The-Game-That-Shall-Not-Be-Named, Oz...

In fact, your whole goddamn case is a conglomeration of "strange things", confirmation bias out the ass, contradictory to things you've said in the past, with a healthy dose of out and out lying. Also, allow me to summarize your trajectory on my alignment up to this point: you thought I was town as fuck until pretty much toDay, barring one comment about how you're gonna policy me yesterDay. Then, two comments about PLing me and BAM! Massive scumcase on me out of nowhere, with immediate moving onto "reads" of other people to cover up just how pathetic and weak your case actually was. You're heading up the lynch wagon on me and pressing rather damn hard and fast to kill me, considering how long you thought I was town for. I also find the timing of this case damned convenient, coming as it does just as Tammy and Tierce both die. Both of them would have nailed the shit out of you with this, just like I'm doing right now. Mighty suspicious. Add that to how fast you're pushing my lynch... If I were a betting man (and betting weren't against the rules, of course) I'd make a healthy wager that you're trying to kill me before I nail the shit out of your scum ass. Like this:

VOTE: Nautilius



I'm pretty sure I'm dying toDay regardless of this. When I flip town, you lynch the fuck out of this guy. Town-Nacho would

never

, and I mean

NEVER

, come up with some half assed pile of shit like this case right before LyLo (I'm pretty sure tomorrow is LyLo). It's superficial as all get out and ignores one hell of a lot of question marks in its effort to put me out there as scum. The timing on it is suspicious as fuck, as is the complete turnabout from town as fuck to policy this to scum. Even the tone and content itself is all wrong. When Nacho's town and trying to get that scumlynch, he pours EVERYTHING in there. This collection of "stranges" and "doesn't give me town vibes" and "don't see town-Syr doing this's" has none of that passion and fire he gets for shit he really believes. He made a half arsed case that he's trying to push through before someone wakes up and crushes him for it. Kill his ass.

Benmage might be town thanks to the Tales of Benmage and Faraday, which sucks.
People need to let me win them the game instead of aborting everyone's clearthinking with false roleclaims.
I'm pretty sure more than 60% of my town losses are due to either town fakeclaiming or false innocent results.

ANYWAY.
We are still going to win this game.
There are 8 days until deadline.

Nacho is still town.
Magua is still town.

TA and MC are not bad lynch choices and one or both of them ought to flip scum.
I will try to figure out which one will do it harder tomorrow.

Why is Nacho town?
Why is Magua town?

Considering I've wanted to be dead since, like, Day 5, how is me wanting to be dead now claiming scum?

You didn't beg for death until I cased you today.
Does that mean you're claiming scum?

No. In fact, before Magua managed to piss me the fuck off, I was going to just give you a thumbs up and a happy face for pushing through the PL on me I wanted to happen on like Day 5. Instead, I'm sitting here taking a shit on your face. Thanks, Magua!

@Magua:
My Proficiency would look a lot better without 2 faked guilties a 1v1 a fast scumhammer and a deadlined lynch on Thor.
On Garruk we had Nacho's roleblock-nokill on top of Benmage's claim. I can't not make that play.
Obvious lynches get a fact check and a hammer or a STOP THIS, not a full-game solving session.

We didn't use our vote much because we wanted to agree on votes but failed at schedule overlap.

TA, how hard is your guarantee that the name you were given is not in the setup?

Don't have access to the exact words he used, but it was to the effect of "this person does not exist".

Magua can blow me, inc megapost

You don't have anywhere near enough money.

Think Titus is town.

Bedtime now.

Since nothing is priceless, you're technically correct.

[The Alchemist]

@Syryana

, you probably will not get a Naut lynch today. However, I don't like that Naut has avoided the MC wagon today - although he states that i)you're a better wagon ii)has asked MC to be lynched tomorrow - his case on you seems a bit weak and the strongest point is the lurking bit. The coin+kanye results were very weak.

If you're looking for Naut scum partners - MC is a good choice. Join me on this as you joined me on the SpyreX wagon!

I'm considering it, I'll have to reread Messiah here and go find some Desp scumgames, as I really can't read him for shit (and the site's down again). Much rather lynch Nacho toDay.

Posting at 8am because I'm tired of being prodded.txt
True facts, Garruk's last message involves wanting to get Benmage lynched and hating Nautilis. ooba, how plausable is Nacho's scumteam?

Vote Naut with me while I go back and read your Alfred Borden posts? Let's assume Borden's off the table for toDay. Who would you lynch then? Why?

- I still think that Zednek's unvote at the very end of SpyreX's lynch at D3 would have been very bad scum play after all the bus-setup. It makes him look weak and un-does all the good work. I guess he could be *really bad* scum
...
In order, Zednek\Titus is a strong town read. elle\Magua is not someone I'd want lynched today. The above reasons plus a lot of minor things (Passing the coin, TA voting SpyreX on D3 as soon as I asked him to - even if it made the day's lynch a choice between him and SpyreX) give me a town-gut feel on TA - we shouldn't lynch him today.

Is the Zdenek unvote your only reason for that slot's townieness?

TA and Nautilus is likely TvT. I cannot see scum TA doing that, acknowledging he's been in a lurkish death tunnel on me and taking the time to prep that wall.

You've called me scum since the replace-in OMGUS. One wall gets you to reverse that? Why is Nautilius town?

Czar as in make it happen.

Hi.

Why is Nacho town?
Why is Magua town?

Answer, pls.

@Ben- Where were you when we were fighting with multiple people on our Alfred read? You seem to be looking around for people to back you up here and you were nowhere to be found when we were pushing that read. It seems like you should have reached out at the time so that we could line up shoulder to shoulder and take the fight to them even if we were outnumbered against "superior" forces.

What day was this?

(I can't help but chuckle at the remember this bold comment from syrana....So in lylo we'll remember and rectify this ship...zzz..the amount of effort at this point is mindblowing...where was this previous?? Find me a town to comeback from this whole, and I'll understand the motivation. Otherwise... yawn)

You're like that fucking kid. You don't get what you fucking want, you throw a goddamn tantrum and do whatever you can to fuck the rest of us. At least I had the goddamn decency to keep my fucking mouth shut and not spew waste and bullshit on this fucking thread and blame everybody in the game including the mod for my own fuckups.

I'm not going to sit here and pretend I didn't lurk through most of the game, Benmage. My play, minus Day 1, has been utter shit. But what I

am

going to do, I'm going to pull my head out of my ass and try to work with ooba/Shadoweh/SD and whomever else I can get a fucking townread on to at least

attempt

to salvage this game. I'd like the same from you.

[The Alchemist]

Assuming internet access can coincide with site uptime I'll be back to this later

[The Alchemist]

Ugh, I really don't see Naut getting lynched when he's practically driving the train right now. I'd frankly feel bad voting him. Maybe that's just my chickenness talking. (Not that I don't like my avatar, I just literally can't change it <_< ) I'm kind of garbage this game.

This train needs a new conductor, stat. Come talk to me, I'm proof garbage can stop stinking.

TA, your play is consistent with idiot. You FoS heavily on town. Withdraw when proven false and go back to the drawing board.

It's needlessly antagonistic and derogatory shit like this that keeps bringing your slot down to the scumfuck level for me. And other things, but I've no time to waste on you right now.

Now, the reason that I quoted your cases and singled them out because regardless of shenanigans, one two cases were the only two pieces of content you contributed during the time where you were town as fuck and the most engaged. Part of it is that there's nothing ultra town lurking in those posts, fair, and I will address it when you do. The other part in that case is that it doesn't really make any sort of sense; your case on him was sheeping what people had already said plus one additional golden nugget where you go *and* he didn't sort them out, but that doesn't matter at all.

I don't understand what you mean by "and I will address it when you do". Address what? In fact, what is this paragraph even trying to say?

You do correctly more that I called you town a bunch day 1. For light attitude. For posting that generally felt good. You can see how that doesn't necessarily hold too much weight day 9, right? You can see how I have townreads who have done a lot more than what you did day 1 hold up beyond your play, no?

You were defending the fuck out of me up until the tail end of Day 8. Obviously Day 1 shit shouldn't carry me this far, but apparently somehow it did for you. What's your point?

I also did like your middle finger up to tierce, similar to how I liked shadoweh and tierce trolling of me. I generally like when townies with easier to figure out metas are snarky, I'm your face; it's an aggressive move to throw around your towniness that can be afforded because you are confident that you will be read correctly eventually. Here, the context is different. Tierce calls you out on something that's pretty readily justified and you respond with "you pushed mislynches, nyeh". Which is not exactly anywhere close to a compelling argument (or, since you were railing on me for using weak language earlier, this is scummy bullshit mudslinging and you know it. What else was your purpose?). Also, does bringing up a dead townies name mean that my case has less merit? Considering my argument doesn't consist of "oh tierce said he was scum".... No, it doesn't. Nice attempt at a discredit though!

Tierce was being snarky, so I decided to be snarky back. Way to completely ignore my original counterpoint, which was "you didn't jump on this as scummy earlier (in fact you called it town), and the person you copied this idea from came to think it wasn't scummy either, so why are you bringing this up again?"

You townread quadz when he claimed macho cop and apparently have a hidden thought process that backs that up. I'm happy with that point staying right there.

This shows an exemplary lack of knowledge of my scum meta, for someone that knows my scum meta so well.

You think I was setting up for your lynch by calling you a policy lynch (still implying you were town)? And it wasn't a reaction test because I didn't blow the lid immediately? These two points are horrible and shouldn't need refuting, but for your amusement: I have no need to posture for your lynch. Saying "man I would policy lynch that guy" isn't very good posturing to set up for a lynch. Secondly, reaction tests like that usually last a while, as you saw in stack the deck.

You

had

the reaction (according to you) and you

still

went on with the policy thing. Which is rather secondary to my actual point, which was YOU WENT FROM NEVER LYNCH THIS TO POLICY IT TO SCUMREAD IN <5 POSTS. Why the fuck are you wasting my/everyone else's time explaining what a fucking reaction test is when you're not actually addressing my point???

Your response to meta case is: what about all those games I played in a hydra? Yes, you lurk as town in hydras. Do you want to know why? Because in those hydras, you have players that can cover for you and generally don't need you in order for the slot to prosper. When you are the only person representing your slot, you are responsible for that slot being read and you are responsible for pushing lynches through that slot. In no other toe games no matter how short (save curse of pleadon which wasn't a game) you have shown more dedication to the game and produced more content than you have here. This is not the case for your scumgames.

Dude.
Dude.
You are not town.

Hunter Hunter. One Day of goodposting, lurked to doom and gone. Xylbot, lurked to doom and gone until Tierce interested me. Raptured; goodposting Day 1, one case on Fery, lurked till LyLo.

Furthermore, you know full well I'd never bother to go to all this fucking effort to save my own ass as scum right now. Remember MyLO? Harry Potter? Ferygame? You bloody well ought to; you were in all of them.

Oh and holy shit - TA, you claim to have no time for the game ever to do anything but suddenly become flush with time when I call your ass out and start pushing you? You don't think you could have made a little bit of time earlier...?

Early Christmas gift.

[The Alchemist]

P obv I'm not getting Naut votes. Fuck it. L-2.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Alfred Borden

[The Alchemist]

I'll be back responding to things this evening.

[The Alchemist]

Joffrey Baratheon is not in this game.

[The Alchemist]

In fact, to clarify.

I gave Tierce the coin.

I was informed that I'd be attempting to kill Joffrey Baratheon that Night.

The next Day I was informed Joffrey Baratheon doesn't exist in the game.

No more rabbitholes, plzkthx.

[The Alchemist]

Christmas is kicking my ass; I'll do me best to get to this today. Can't promise though.

[The Alchemist]

Bout to drive back home; this is all I got time for.

VOTE: Nautilius

Magua, I don't think I ever responded to you yesterDay. I'll let you know when my mad schedule settles down a bit and we can have a chat. Most likely tomorrow.

[The Alchemist]

Busy again

Back later

[The Alchemist]

It seems I'm at L-1. Cards on the table, then.

The scumteam as I see it consists of: Nautilius, Cephrir, and 1 of {Alfred Borden, Titus}. (Interesting side note: all four of these people are currently voting me. But back to that in a moment.)

Obviously, I am assuming there were 6 scum; 5 scum on the team and MC, the traitor. Obviously if there are 7 scum total; we're in LyLo and it's gg. I believe, however, if there are in fact four scum remaining, you've to look no farther than the 4 on my wagon, as I'd be dead already (even one town vote on me means a quickhammer in that case).

Why those four, then? Well, Nautilius is obvious. I'm not about to repeat myself.

Why Cephrir? Touched on part of it way back when, in 1133. In short, it's heavily meta based, with an emphasis on tone, attitude and how he plays. Linked below are a few of his more recent games:

Town games:
Open 527
Mini 1496

Scum Games:
NY 165
NY 164

Anyroad, if you read his towngames vs. his scumgames you'll notice a few key differences. Notably, his scumgames feature:
1) A serious, just shy of mechanical demeanor. In his towngames, he's more relaxed, quirkier (some of those metaphors, whew) and his personality is much more evident. Scumgames he tends toward being mechanical (hasn't quite gone that far this game, but his quirkiness is certainly much less evident and he's rather toneless overall).
2) His scumhunting is more productive as town. Not saying he's right all the time as town or anything like that, but the key difference I'm speaking of is TownRir has a direction. He knows where he's going, how and why he thinks person X is town, he asks meaningful questions, etc. His play in this game is somewhat akin to a kitten unraveling a ball of yarn after he's dug into it with his claws. He's pursuing a lot of threads, but none of them seem to lead anywhere because they were cut off before he started looking. He's spent the whole game chasing a bunch of loose threads that don't really lead anywhere. TownRir doesn't do that.
3) I had a 3, but I've forgotten what it was. I still wanted a 3 though! Anyroad, that's the gist of why I'm pretty sure of scumRir here.

Alfred Borden and Titus. These are rather weaker reads than Naut/Cephrir. I'm getting tired, so here's the Larry King version:

Borden: Empire did townie things and I liked him. Then he stopped doing townie things, then quit. Llamarble hasn't done shit for townie things; and when the only thing you've done that I liked since your partner quit was yell nasty things at Benmage, I tend to find you a good scum candidate (that post Shadoweh pointed out was pure golden feces, for example). Plus PoE. (Side Note: To those of you mentioning the 1v1 with MC, if you were MC and your partner was a rival wagon, wouldn't you try really hard for his lynch? Looks pretty good for potential partner X, dunnit? Food for thought)

Titus: Oh, this. I do seem to keep coming back to Titus-scum, don't I? The complete lack of connection to this game is almost unreal. 6181 is an amazing example. If you've even casually glanced at the game in the last Day or two, you might have a clue as to why I'm voting Naut. Moreso, most of her ISO is busywork (anyone remember that fantastic nonsense with the coin?) and just about the only thing she's been regularly keeping up with has been slandering/discrediting people calling her scum. She's been calling pretty much everyone that's ever suspected her names, disregarding their opinions, etc. If you want to take a moment to do some meta, compare this game to some town games of hers:

Newbie 1372
Open 529
Mini 1485

A brief glance at any game will show you how different her townplay actually is from what's been happening here. Her towngame includes:
Effort
Scumhunting (or at least her version of it)
A lack of personal attacks
Effort
Attempts to work with others she perceives as town
Attempts to explain to/convince others of her towniness
Effort

That whole list is missing from this game.

Anyroad, that's all I got. On second thought, someone that ain't me might consider asking the four above people what they'd do after me townflip, assuming the game ain't over. Thar's a whole lot of Alchemist-associative scumreads bein predicated round these parts.

Recommended course of action: Lynch Naut, Cephrir, Titus. If game ain't over, lynch Borden. If all four really are scum, we're probably screwed anyways, but hell with it. Good luck!

Happy New Year, folks! Yarr! Darmok and Jalad on the ocean!