Micro 231: Mismatching Flavor Mafia (Game Over!)

[Bert]

/confirm

[Bert]

Vote: Mononoke

Dang I will draw scum against you one day!!!

Not fair you always get to be scum against me, love <33

[Bert]

Wait who is Shiny Hydreigon?

[Bert]

It's Wisdom, notscience, and whoever keeps signing as R

[Bert]

9.9999999999

[Bert]

You're so weird that I am becoming weirder than you!!

Are you... Like Snooki from Jersey Shore?

[Bert]

I believe hydregion is marquis-notscience

Is wisdom in it?

Well in signups, they replaced "/in as wisdom" with "/out as wisdom, /in as shiny hydregion" for one of their completed games. So the third one is Marquis, I see...

thank god Marquis is not alone so we can read notscience

Unfortunately for scum, we're town together.
Maybe.

I won't let you skate by like you did in your Majiffy hydra. Indifference will NOT be accepted. Just sayin'

It will be my bah post when we're invariably nightkilled.

Oh, you humor me

LOL

ote: Cabd

It's a bit early for PoE, but always nice to make a Cabd start out on his back foot.

tell me what should I know about him/her because my game with him/her was very short and you hydra with him/her

[Bert]

Lucky we should just lynch you to get lucky

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

get it?

[Bert]

Vote: Lucky2u

You're a bad luck charm, your name LIES

[Bert]

61 and 62 sound like Mara

[Bert]

38 sounds like notscience

[Bert]

bert is obvtown already

and charizard isnt cooler, no

R~

If this post is notscience like I thinkit is,

You cannot seriously think I'm town this early

Nacho's "maybe we r town together" is much more natural sounding
But his "we will invariably get killed tonight" without being prompted to talk about NKs makes me feel weird though

[Bert]

EBWOp: Brian is like half-serious half-joking, feels odd gut wise. Playing around but it's rvs I guess, whatever

Lucky is like a jester, I was wrong on him in scum hunters speed, wait and see wit him

[Bert]

Wait, notscience is in this hydra?

Why didn't anyone tell me?

~M~

Three man scum-team in a micro though?

GIF, you bastard

~L

You guys amuse me,

But seriously notscience alt slipped and posted using this hydra by accident

Wisdom replaced an /in by /inning with this hydra name instead

Stop it

[Bert]

I am Nacho
M is Tippy
R is Who

~L

Liar liar pants on fire!!!!

Nacho is not in ur hydra

Don't u be pulling my chain like that

You dare??? Shame shame shame on you

[Bert]

Hey, how's school progressing along?

Long time no see lol

[Bert]

Bert approves of your vote

Vote: Shiny Hydreigon

They are withholding vital, life-saving information in a sneaky way in plain sight

P-edit: yup, boring school year. Yay high five!! This site is a fabulous distraction especially late in the evening

[Bert]

Uh no I buddy everyone familiar with me who've played with before

Except

If I think ure scum

Then u might as well be a peanut

[Bert]

And I will not spare you!!!

[Bert]

No! We will see ur true colors soon

I will do some circle jerking with nacho

Maybe warp his mind some,

If he's scum and I go at him alone, it won't end well, I'll need reinforcements

More reason to buddy

[Bert]

Yayy

Now I will sleep content knowing that I am not alone against potential nacho-scum

It he is scum

We will tear him apart

Shatter his heart

Use his brain to get smart

[Bert]

Hmm

I should probably get serious at some point

Bert, love

we are obv town

~L

Skies/Charizard <--- Serious Scumteam

~L

and, TBH Sakura had made their slot Obv town so far so...

VOTE: Skies

Me and you are going to tango

Nacho, if you see these posts, please please please tell me if this is Syrlacious

If it is, oh yeah baby he's eating rope

Man oh man he drew scum in my last two games with him

Scumbag central!!

[Bert]

EBWOp: Wisdom/notscience

Then maybe Syryana or Mara??

3 out of those 4? Probably not wisdom, so ns Syry Marangal maybe?

We will figure out who is in this hydra once all is said and done, don't you worry, scumbags

[Bert]

Ugh

I'll figure u out

This is not over

P-edit: you are a fraud

Frauds don't belong in this game

FRAUD

U mite as well pretend to be a new player and pretend to make a huge town slip for credibility
And then cruise to a cheap win <3

Icky icky picky nose picky icky

[Bert]

We will figure out who is in this hydra once all is said and done, don't you worry, scumbags

Why is this so important to you? If they want to be anonymous, I say let them.

I am circle jerking them to get reactions

Don't ruin my vibe, yo

Let me embarrass myself

[Bert]

Shiny is making no sense

He is falsely accusing you and then flinging mud at you by announcing a scumread on you for falsified reasons

That's scummy!!!

[Bert]

Yup. My vote is a sheep vote

You should notice how shiny is conveniently focusing on who is voting them, rather than what they can do to help contribute

Oooooh scum haz been found y'all

Much love all <333334

[Bert]

Even so, Bert is the one who sheeped me. So look at him.

wat did i just read

R~

You just read a paper alerting u that ex lax have been placed in ur brownies!!

Ewwwwww

[Bert]

They never teach me

I am a neglected child

[Bert]

Look, shiny, buddy, just admit you're scum

We will give you a proper burial

Labelled SCUM in Scummyville

[Bert]

0

Setup is non bastard

Unfortunately

[Bert]

Brian is playing sorta recklessly and more carefree here than I remember, although that isn't alignment indicative (without further info) as I do not know his scum/town meta

Lucky, you already want to see Brian claim? You must be joking... Are you trying to play to your town meta by being super scummy.

or...

[Bert]

Vote: Lucky2u

that claim fishing is just plain scummy

you should know better

<3

[Bert]

Gut is that Brian is scum because he's giving me weird vibes

Nacho's "probably" when mentioning if we are both town is REALLY scummy, like Syryana level scummy

how many scum are supposed to be in this game??

[Bert]

Question Time for Everybody:
What do you think of the 1v1? How about the reactions? Motivations?
What are your thoughts on the gamble? Do you think it benefits the town? Why or why not? What about the reactions? Motivations?
If the town decides to go through with the gamble and the lynched person flips town, would you hold your word and lynch the other slot, no questions asked?
Any other concerns? Questions? Thoughts?

You're trying too hard to come up with questions.

My gut feels like you are trying too hard to act town, and all these hypotheticals man.... <3

you scum, bro?

1) 1v1 is lots of time for scum theatrics
2) reactions and motivations are very hard to see through due to the theatrics
3) what gamble?
4) yes it benefits the town, as we get to hunt you down
5) Reactions and motivations are all up in the air, depends on your alignment
6) no, I would not hold my word. I do not make promises
7) no other concerns, questions, or thoughts, except that you're pinging me gut big time

[Bert]

He's asking so many questions

I want Nacho to come back and answer them

Nacho is probably gonna lurk throughout D1 and ignore all of us

that scumbag

[Bert]

3) don't want to lynch both of you until I talk to u two more
1) Shiny I feel a connection, one where I should feel warm and fuzzy, but their buddying me as obvtown doesnt feel genuine

[Bert]

You're so confusing, is that your goal

Maybe help us out and surrender, scumbag

[Bert]

Who is NS

[Bert]

Oh yes he is

He definitely is

NS usually refers to "Nobody Special," another player so I got confused for a bit

I usually refer to notscience as ns

[Bert]

Mara!!!!!!!

Mara!!!!!

!!!!!

[Bert]

Also, I'm not an alt. Your reputation from the games I've read aren't exactly flattering. Although, I do believe there are a lot of good things about your play (they just don't stand out as much). Plus, I've already read through this game:

Why did you choose Sakura to look at first with regard to past games? Curious choice

Catching up, initial skim reads says nacho-flower is town;

saki

Viera Subpar-classed is town, bert is probably town but i owe it a metadive. Sorting the rest of you lot now.

Why do you need a metadive on me?

Apparently I got it right earlier thinking you were scum. Policy lynches are dumb and not helpful at all. Together with your claim, which of course struck me the wrong way and didn't have town motivation around it, I am convinced this is the best lynch for today.

that's weird that you need to tell us that policy lynches are dumb and unhelpful. How is that bringing anything new to the table? It seems like you're trying really hard to look town by planting your feet down strong and saying "policy lynches are dumb and not helpful at all"

[Bert]

Yeah I need to get into this game

Grr

Brian your last wall posts felt so town

I'll be back tomorrow to post when Im not on my phone like I was most of today, really limited my input

[Bert]

I'm paranoid about Sakura right now but that's OK; I'll keep trying to reach Nacho

Nacho why are you being so mean to Cabd??? He is your hydra partner.... <3333333 Why so mean, meanie head

Guyett feels not as aggressive/chatty as he was as scum in 1481 when he replaced in

here, he's not really controlling much, or taking in the limelight, he's sorta staying in the back and observing...

feels really different in this game.

home for the weekend after tomorrow so I will try to get in a lot more computer-time to figure out what's going on more in depth

<3

[Bert]

Town: Mononoke, Lucky2u

Null leaning town: Bert

Null: beast, cabd, Shiny

Null leaning scum: Viera, Brian

Scum: Guyett

I don't remember you being so forthright with your reads in Scumhunter's Speed, especially at this juncture.... what gives?

[Bert]

He was asked for them.

Oops.

mean to Cabd

Where?

WHY ARE YOU VOTING CABD???????

Are you trying to feel him out or....

[Bert]

Yeah whatever, busser

you're usually telling me to DONT TOUCH CABD OR ELSE

[Bert]

Yeah whatever, busser

you're usually telling me to DONT TOUCH CABD OR ELSE

[Bert]

I have my heart and soul on Cabd. Is there a reason I should be unvoting him?

Um no, I don't control your vote. But you're being hypocritical. I bet you'd blast me if I voted CABD

is this a test

That's 3 of us on now asking about it.
Sure he's avoiding this game like hell but that can't just be it

Nacho is a limp lurksack

we should put him at lynch -1 and maybe we'll awaken his inner monster

[Bert]

and what makes you think thats bussing?

R~

busser is a term of endearment, nothing more <3

also, trying to will myself back into thsi game and feel things because I feel aloof and distant

<3

I don't even understand what Nacho's trying to do right now in this game

ANYWHO gonna re-read now

[Bert]

Bert, due to gut (And a recently newbie game that finished)

It breaks my heart to hear you say that. You didn't read me that quickly in 1481, or even 514 Masons Monks, but in your scumgame you had me as TOWN in an instant...

EW

Cabd is scum.

Lol

whatcha laughin at

Bert, why are you voting Lucky?

I don't remember

[Bert]

I have had a busy weekend. I do not like your attitude
VOTE: brian

That is L-1

???????????

You should already know the answer Bert, but I can't say the reason why.

Hint: Sakura wasn't the reason I was reading that game. She just happened to be in it.

I get it, I think

OKAY 285 from Shiny feels kinda town

you're not off the hook yet for being so secretive about your heads, Wisdom is in there, he is, he is. he is.

Vote: Lucky2u

that claim fishing is just plain scummy

you should know better

<3

Now I see why...

unvote

Vote: Mononoke

Gut feels like scum, especially with Sakura townreading me so fast

and Nacho is acting weird around me again, one-liner central

sorry love <3

[Bert]

Why is that, Lucky?

[Bert]

I didn't blast lucky, why would I blast you?

I'm listening...

You're not very robotic since I've caught up today, actually. Robot meter is like a 2.

A limp lurksack with plenty of posts and plenty of content. Hmmm.

Psshhhhh. Content does NOT equal town, nor does post count. Plus, Sakura is doing her fair share of posting, busser

You don't think hydraing with me has anything to do with it?

Sakura is sorta stubborn, I expect her to have her own reads of me, as she has been in her fair share of games with me too, ya know. <3

Plus, you don't always have the correct reads on people (just ask Sakura about 501 Stacking the Deck)

HAHAHAAHAHAHAHa

HAHAHAHA

hahaha

haha

ha

[Bert]

Vote Cabd and have my undying devotion is what I'm trying to say.

Let me think about that for a moment... <3

VOTE: Cabd

[Bert]

townreads guyett brian shiny from past few pages

shiny seems really natural in their posts

guyett doesn't seem like his scum game I was in (181)

brian seems town gut-wise, reaching out to me feels genuine <3

nacho is TBD, Sakura idk

Lucky still doesn't feel like lucky-town from Scumhunter's speed...why aren't you being scummier

Wow cabd must your walls be so boring

rest of you, I don't remember anyone else

[Bert]

Sorry, lagged on computer and didn't mean to double post =/ Mod, if you could remove that, that would be great!

Done!
~Mod

[Bert]

I'm not behind a quick hammer, but I wouldn't mind cabd having to give some thoughts before I unvote. If Guyett takes advantage and hammers, we can always lynch him tomorrow

You think lynching Guyett tomorrow if he quickhammered would solve all problems and make them better?

Ridiculous. If he hadn't backed down before I got here I would have unvoted. I don't know the town motivation behind the action, and the scum motivation is way too newb scum for Guyett. He is to smart to have made himself that obvious.

Explain this please.

Vote: Lucky2u

[Bert]

just looked at ISOs.

weird that Viera and beastcharizard have made almost no impressions me throughout this game, I need to pay attention more

beastcharizard ISO don't like

Viera is null

confused about them, and Cabd why are you making us read your walls, they are so painful. I don't even know what to think of you now LOL. I'm skipping those because they make my eyes hurt

[Bert]

it was more gut than anything

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Brian Skies

I have to agree with Shiny. They way you post and your ideas seem scummy to me. You also keep mentioning how odd your role is. This is also an oddity to me. You seem to vote people for no reason other than for the heck of it. You are either an odd person and play oddly or scum.

L-2 I believe

This vote and its timing didn't feel right

I feel I have posted enough for someone to at least have some type of read on me better than null because "they haven't seen me much."

that is just not acceptable because he/she hasn't been posting or giving us that much to work with for him to say such things like "IVE POSTED ENOUGH, YALL SHOULD HAVE A READ ON MWAH"

[Bert]

I'm scumreading NachoHana so I can argue with nacho more

~M~

Wait, you have Nacho as scum?

I'm not confident about them, will you elaborate please

[Bert]

unvote

Fine.

[Bert]

Gogogo

[Bert]

In post 524 you say you don't like my ISO yet here you say you can't read me? Is that not a contradiction?

<3

you haven't given us much to work with, but from what there is to work with, I am not fond of what you have posted

Love, Bert

Spoiler:

[Bert]

Yeah....

I'm kinda paranoid about Guyett right now

Vote: Guyett

Guyett, who are your scumreads?

[Bert]

Hey Cabd, when are you finishing with your catch up

~Sakura Hana

I got told my walls suck by your bitchy cheese-half and bert didn't like 'em either so fucks given to finish: 0
I'll just summarize reads later tonight.

Lol why am I not surprised...

it's Saturday <3

summary please!!!!!!!!!

!!!

or eat rope...

[Bert]

have you not read the thread?

Lucky
VA
Cabd

Skimmed a few times, to get some gut feelings..

I like your reads of Lucky and Cabd...Cabd is avoiding Nacho like the plague, and townread him wayyyyyyyyyyyyyyy too fast

Lucky is just acting weird

sometimes I can't tell VA and Shiny apart if I don't look at their avatar

sad but true

[Bert]

Never mind, Cabd can just die

VOTE: Cabd

[Bert]

Please give reasons for why I am scum

you don't seem to be actively trying to figure out everyone

and I was thinking you were town because you're playing differently from the scum game I was in with you

but then I look at your ISO and it doesn't seem town

<3 so you need some votes so we can figure out where you stand

do you feel me

[Bert]

Bert what the hell... You had Guyett voted and switched so fast my head is spinning. How do you go from gut reading him to aligning him in that short of a time?

Because I'm feeling my way into this game

don't worry, I'll be gone this afternoon (and night) probably

many hours for your head to spin slower <3

[Bert]

Yall please talk to me about Lucky so I feel better about this lynch

Nacho when you get back, explain to me what your read is on Lucky again and why

I was wrong about him, and so were you, in Scumhunter's Speed. He says he 'seems' town as scum, and 'scummy' as town and this confuses the hell out of me.

Paranoia (and meta-conscious feelings) aside, Guyett seems town.

My goal tomorrow is to re-skim again and find out what I'm feeling about Viera and Shiny

I have too many reads that I'm not confident on or are null/weak

[Bert]

gut is scum, but I'm not confident

I kinda pushed a mislynch on him in my past game with him. It came down to the deadline, and seniority prevailed (4 votes to 4)...the 2nd guy with 4 was scum, and I stubbornly kept my vote on Lucky

and I was his lynchee in the other game I had with him.

[Bert]

oh, and it was D1, and I got endgamed with all scum surviving in that game...

so yeah, don't want to make that mistake again if Lucky's town here. lol epic fail

[Bert]

I'm gonna go to sleep soon so I can actually skim some of the game and remember/digest more about what's going on

I was about to type the same question I asked Guyett earlier today, and then I looked back and DANG I ASKED HIM 12 HOURS AGO

=[

This is one of those really weird games where like...

it's page-heavy, but not content-heavy. There aren't many walls or paragraphs, etc., and lot of short posts.

I like the fast pace, don't get me wrong. I need to adjust to this game's pace/style so I can get some concrete/solid reads on people without having a long paragraph-y post to fall back on for a read when I'm not in a great skimmy/reading mood.

[Bert]

Cabd threw up on the page

I want a long summary of people's reads, and what they are feeling

not a huge

NACHO READ
post 3 ASWFIHAWFWAF

post 22 PAWEFJAWFJAWIFHJWAIEHFIAWHF

post 24 AWIEFRI@QWHR@IR@IOHR23

that's what hurts my eyes

a summary, albeit long, of his stance would be MUCH MORE helpful

[Bert]

like, Cabd's wall was post 3 (ramble for a couple of sentences), post 6, post 8, post 22, go on and on and on it never ENDS

sorry, I need sleep

[Bert]

and he got done with 2 PEOPLE, and I didn't even try to figure out what he was talking about. Lots of random comments about different posts.

I can't stand people who make long paragraphs about each post, and do it for one person and 20 of their posts, where it's hard to follow their thought process. It makes my head swell up and spin. So basically, he didn't say who he thinks is scum. HE commented a ton of random stuff about two people and fled.

P-edit: yeah, but I need it or else my memory sucks

[Bert]

No offense (being too blunt here, I sense).

Cabd keep doing your thing, I'll stop ranting about it lol my bad

[Bert]

(Saki, Cabd, Luck)

Saki's in this game???

Bert Iso Lucky and tell me if you see anything pro town

gut scum read!!

Bert iso me and tell me what's scum.

Hmmm....

Vote: Lucky2u

HAHAHAHAHA

doopdedooooooo

I feel great about this because (1) you seem like scum in your iso, gut don't lie about ya, and (2) this is 1% for trying to get me lynched as town last game

<3



mwahahahaha

[Bert]

EBWOP: That's lynch -1 for the lucky scumbag

[Bert]

Woah...

I did not know that...

Holy moley Saki's in this game!!

[Bert]

Unvote

Weird that Saki didn't join the wagon with the most votes

Doesn't feel like vintage Saki

I had no idea

[Bert]

@bert oh Bert... If you could change your reasoning to be 99 percent because of me trying to lynch you in that game then I'd be happier. As it is, you stand to be wrong about me as town for the second time in a row. Honestly, how can you gut scum read me? You've seen me town, and seen me anti town, and you think I am lining up to the latter? If you lynch me, I expect a free sheep in the next game we are in together.

Dang, this post actually feels genuine. Dang.

Saki likes to hammer, it's weird he isn't joining the highest wagons

meh, so I'm not feeling great about him.

Vote: Viera Assassin

Nacho/Sakura, what do you think of Saki being a D1 lynch? Would you consider that?

Guyett *seems* town from my baseline when he was scum in 1481, but I'm not very confident.

Cabd I'm actually going to give a chance to speak more, and in the end I need Nacho and everyone else's help to read him because I actually am not familiar with his/her play from any past games. Nacho was liking his vote there, so Nacho you need to tell me what you think of him and whether he is worth keeping around for D2

Brian is like a researcher. Feels pretty town to me

Shiny I'm having trouble reading, I need help with that read.

Wish I had more experience with you all.

That is where I Stand.

[Bert]

I'm actually leaning <Cabd, Viera>, Cabd because he hasn't done anything that gives me a town feeling, and Viera for much the same reason

with <Lucky2u> as a wildcard at this point, I want to see if he can continue feeling genuine.

Lucky, how confident are you about your Guyett scum read?

The rest my gut says town <Shiny, Brian, Guyett>

GUT thinks Sakura is town, so <Mononoke> but to hell with that, I can't read her worth anything, and Nacho I need more time

[Bert]

Are you Mara?

[Bert]

nope, lately he just lurks as any alignment

:/

DANG

[Bert]

VOTE: Lucky2u

[Bert]

Hmm...

Not sure about Saki yet, because he is apparently now a lurker regardless of alignment. The problems with unpredictable Saki... Saki, why aren't you tunneling anyone anymore??

Don't like Cabd/ffery hydra, we need more from him/her.

Guyett, you seemed town yesterday, and my natural inclination was to sheep you.

I'm still working on a read for Shiny...starting to like them...they are so active and interested in the game

Brian is very town, especially once I looked at the bigger picture

If you read this, please tell me what you think.

Then we can evaluate. <3

[Bert]

I'm pretty confident in guyett as town, actually...his posts compared to his 1481 scumgame I saw scream town after I thought about it for a while

Stuff like this, on the other hand, wreaks of scum:

They were the only person I was sure was town too.

VOTE: Guyett

I feel this is what Lucky would have wanted.

Vote: beastcharizard

[Bert]

Why aren't I in there?

What is your opinion on the Mono flip?

Not surprised, as Nacho dies N1 so often it's not even funny.

[Bert]

Who are your top 3 scum picks?

You, you, and Saki.

Psshh scum won't kill you Guyett... You'll be a possibility to lynch tomorrow when I flip town.

@Cat: Gut didn't like him. Plus, this progression pinged me. Second quote is like he 'knows' Guyett will flip town by saying "scum won't kill you." But before that, he had just said that Guyett is his strongest scumread.

[Bert]

I didn't phrase my question well. Why did you hammer so soon after I replaced in? In a thread with less than 30 pages I'd be caught up enough to start asking questions within a few hours of my first post.

Empty promises from cabd...Lucky's last post was really really bad and almost made me forget about everyone else.

You are not a quick read, where did you get that from - remember our last game? You took several days until you let us hear your thought processes...

I'm mostly annoyed that the lynch happened before I could develop an opinion about Lucky2u.

You subbed in last-minute, amongst the noise, and Cabd's deliberation was SOOOO overcontemplative

Why did he avoid interacting with us for the majority of the day??

[Bert]

EBWOP: Ffery, the way you are feeling me out feels pretty genuine.

There hasn't been a real lurker other than Viera....

But yes, Cabd's walls felt SOOOOOOOOOOOOOO off

so probably the scum is in <Viera, Beast, Cabd/Ffery>

P-edit: NINJA'D

[Bert]

I don't think he was avoiding interaction. I don't want to put words into his mouth, but

he's had reasons to be bummed out about mafia in general over the last week or so, and prior to that he was on V/LA.

He and I were hydraing in another game that ended right after his camping trip. I was carrying Morph through the V/LA period, which scared the crap out of me because it was a scum game and we were playing an insane gambit that I didn't think I could carry off if suspicion swung back our way.

I remember being bummed out very well, so yeah I can budge on that. I'm still very wary about you two though.

Still... Cabd's tone felt forced, this is from my gut....

had me scratching my head

Not true. Go back and look. I was asking people why they were voting JKLM as soon as I finished my first read through, and in fact got Mutley to unvote a few hours after I joined the game. I didn't post a reads list until a couple days later but I put a ton of thought process into the thread prior to that, and my first reads list shouldn't have come as a surprise to anyone.

OK. Fair enough.

[Bert]

I don't remember you being this interested about getting reads done and input in so quickly.

I'm actually assuaged to see you interrogate me like this

I expected you to take more than plenty of time to help us out if you're town, but with a delay.... that's all

have you gotten in the game yet??

[Bert]

I don't get why this became such a hurry.

Sorry guys, gut kept screaming scum for Lucky, especially towards the end. That, along with one of my stronger townreads thinking along the same lines... Ffery, you should know that I've always sheeped my townreads if I'm having trouble reading people worth anything... much less if I have a gut scumread of my own on TOP of that

Putting my thinking caps on...

The bulk of this game will come down to POE...I do worry that one of the people widely regarded as a townread is scum though, but that's wayyyyy far in the back of me mind

Let's have lots and lots of discussion today, then, since you claim to be so bummed out! <3

THAT SAID, what do you think of Guyett? You clearly disapprove of his encouraging a hammer.

I am pushing you now because I EXPECT YOU TO LIST who your candidates are. Then I can SEE if it reads like a scum's reads list.ASAP. I don't have any meaningful experience with charizard or your other hydra-head, in particular. All of Cabd's posts about "I don't have time for this, especially since you all criticized my walls"...

it's hard to tell if he is avoiding serious play as scum by being this way. It was SO freakin blatant!!

If you're town here by any chance, I do not want to feel a disconnect between us like in 1415. It will not come down to that. As that'll affect your game AND MINE, and I will start getting paranoid about you REGARDLESS because of your indecisiveness.

looks like morph/charizard right now

Yeah, but also Saki's [lack of] posts have bothered me

Sakura had a townread on him for some reason...need to re-skim again to see why

[Bert]

I don't want to put words into his mouth, but he's had reasons to be bummed out about mafia in general over the last week or so, and prior to that he was on V/LA. He and I were hydraing in another game that ended right after his camping trip.

Just re-skimmed and saw this... =/

Kay then.

[Bert]

Nacho/Sakura, what do you think of Saki being a D1 lynch? Would you consider that?

Saki's town, never lynch him

~Sakura Hana

Why? I feel like there is a whole bunch of bias behind this post.

Blame the meta.

THIS. Before, I would see how timid Saki plays in his games, what with his optimistic hammering tendencies. Now, he is just content parking a vote for the day and remaining silent, which is ANNOYING me! Man my head is messed up this game with how much I'm missing/overlooking posts

saki's vote on cabd is unsettling me,

You were in 1481 with me and Saki. Need help figuring him out...

At this point, I'm more confident in us figuring out anyone else over Saki

[Bert]

BERTBERTBERT

YOU'RE SCUM AREN'T YOU, AREN'T YOU!?

~L

That's similar to what Syryana said as scum in Masons and Monks QT - see post 5 in the QT.

"Syryana
07-20-2013
01:26 PM ET (US)
You cheeky little fucker! You're a werewolf, aren't you. AREN'T YOU"

http://www.quicktopic.com/50/H/LwF5RER5Lqph

@Guyett: Mara is paranoid about me everywhere because she misread me in Mini 1482

[Bert]

So which is it you are thinking? Paranoid or scum?

The hydra feels very town overall - am continuing to get a feel of Mara's rhythm in this game

@Mara, your paranoia in your last post doesn't look very good---> mainly I dislike the semi-accusatory tone because lately you have been more paranoid about me than this

Has your paranoia run subsided a bit, or....

Beast please

Come join this lovely wagon?? <3

Beast gave me some major scum feelings today

[Bert]

haven't liked the timing of Beast's voting Guyett...gut doesn't like it one bit - the way he [barely] defended his vote gave me scumvibes too

Saki's play has been pretty bad, yes.

posts are all over the place...his tiny post sample size is making me reluctant

I mean, why not try to help town some instead of pointing blind fingers...sorry, rambling here

[Bert]

Can we srs lynch Guyett plz

NO!

Whatcha gonna do about it? Your votes are all head-scratchers

[Bert]

Are we really still going to condone this Saki play on Day 2?

Looks like it.

His play is uncooperative and NOT helpful at all. I don't want to see a player like him stay alive until the end and coast like this. Even his old active games I was in, he was easier to follow

Time constraints cannot continue to be used as an excuse for playing like this

Even Ffery, if town, is at least going to give us lots of posts to look at tomorrow...

[Bert]

EBWOP: I don't know, Brian, I've got nothing because his lurking is not alignment indicative.

I never thought I'd say this, but I miss seeing Saki spouting nonsense

we would get to see him react, at least. LOL

Voting random people without explanation was never really a scumtell for him, which is what gets me

[Bert]

why

Please??? Saki, c'mon.

If you're scum, keep being scummy

If you're town and want to live, you will help us and start by answering our questions

Come on!!!! I know you are capable of more than this crap you're posting!!!

[Bert]

Why not

[Bert]

so you townread everyone else?

R~

@Beast, this is the post you were looking for.

I can't find the post asking if I have town reads on everyone but Guyett but no i don't. I just am not confident in my other scum read Bert. The kill today made me sad to say the least.

I think Assassin is town along with Morph and Shiny. Brian is odd to me and I know I am town.

I wish you would explain more in detail. Then, we can have a better grasp on the ideas behind your play. In particular, the "why" - is it gut, logic, etc. - what leads you to your conclusions

Beast, I know what it feels like for Nacho to die N1. My mini-game that just ended today (after 3 long months) - I was a jailkeeper and didn't protect Nacho N1 when I felt he was obvtown:

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=29468

And he was playing under a hydra username Calcifer. He died Night 1, and I felt just as dejected as you do.

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=51&t=30057

Or this game, that morph the cat modded recently (ffery head): 50 Shades of Purple (including Nacho) died N1

The list goes on and on...

I've gotten used to it, as 80% of my games include him and he often dies N1 (mini 1460 is another one that ended in the past couple of weeks, where he died N1 while he was drawing suspicion D1).

[Bert]

I've spent a day trying to reach out to Saki to try to get him to give us more

And I spent one post telling Beast to step it up if he's town and stop using Nacho dying as an excuse

I'm not a messiah and I don't help or fix things, but there is something called compassion rather than being a cold-blooded zombie all game

because I've been there where I flaked because Nacho died

seriously, stop that

[Bert]

I would like to speak to Mara

[Bert]

Also, Ffery, it has been three days, why no reads list yet? You're being rather passive, and you haven't voiced a scumread yet like you did in 1415 where you said you thought Jason was scum and that I was an alternate scumread. I don't like that.

[Bert]

where did beast even use nacho dying as an excuse?

youre so fake it isnt funny

R~

I'm sorry you feel that way

That was 100% genuine FYI

And look at 771

ffery, I don't know what projecting is

But he said he was sad that nacho died and hasnt looked back or something

[Bert]

where did beast even use nacho dying as an excuse?

youre so fake it isnt funny

R~

You're the one that is playing eithout saying who you are

Your heads are private except L which is Mara



I don't even know who Im talking to

[Bert]

I can't find the post asking if I have town reads on everyone but Guyett but no i don't. I just am not confident in my other scum read Bert. The kill today made me sad to say the least.

I think Assassin is town along with Morph and Shiny. Brian is odd to me and I know I am town.

Read this, Shiny

[Bert]

Who are you? Have you never played with me before?

I'm fluffy and spammy, does my playstyle annoy you

[Bert]

Yes ffery because I try to relate to others and see if I see what they're seeing

And if I can feel their mindset

Then that helps me read them better gut-wise

[Bert]

Is your goal to get me to break down?

And say nothing I post makes sense?

Because you're doing a great job

[Bert]

Mislynch plan: get to Bert's head, get him to spill lots of self-defeatist AtE - get him lynched

That hasn't happened in a while

[Bert]

No

Wait give me an hour to get on the computer and look

Just finished watching football game auburn lsu and stressed out about school and international festival preparation next Saturday

I'm sorry if I went off on you

[Bert]

GO AWAY

Look OK I am tired today

Brian has felt off today

Brian hasn't been doing that much research and he's sort of coasting today, OK that is the impression I'm getting

Shiny, you're annoying me which is clouding my judgment. I don't know about you! I had you as town, but you're attacking me and I am not seeing clearly

Beast is being really passive and won't be forceful about any of his reads, that's why I've had him as scum. He is laying low and it's like his tactic

Guyett's willingness to hammer was overeager, but he was really calculated as scum in 1481, it's like a polar opposite in his play, so he's town to me

Ffery I'm coming around on but will wait until she posts some reads, the passiveness irked me in 1415 too but she's playing pretty consistent to her town baseline. Asking questions, giving feedback, stuff of that sort that I expect from her

Shiny I'm worried about you now because Mara has been lurking today and she just came out and made a remark that Syryana makes as scum to me, which is SCREAM "YOURE SCUM ARENT YOU ARENT YOU" and then start being semi-inactive. it's not even paranoia that she's showing on Day 2 so far, what with how paranoid she has been about me in Con Mafia which is not over. It does not add up

[Bert]

The thing about Ffery is Nacho once told me about how Ffery lurks and hides behind her other hydra-head, and I'm not seeing it this game so far. She has been the main poster.

Dang I missed Viera, I think he's scum but it's gut and nothing else

he has been here often, I don't buy the "I'm busy and all I have time to do is park a vote for the day" That doesn't explain all the punctual posts yesetdray

[Bert]

EBWOP: Ffery lurks and hides behind her other hydra-head to let the other head do all the work - that's the scum meta I was told, and I don't see it

[Bert]

What I'm trying to say is Brian started off very strong, and today he has like stopped completely being the super researching, prodding, inquisitive guy completely.

[Bert]

Beast is being really passive and won't be forceful about any of his reads, that's why I've had him as scum. He is laying low and it's like his tactic

My tactic? Can you explain this for me?

I feel you are intentionally being cryptic about your reads and where you stand, and you aren't really going for your scumreads and gunning for them.

You haven't supported your Guyett read much, all you've said is "I don't really have anyone else to vote for today," and then "I am not comfortable with my other scumread (Bert)" when asked to explain your vote.

[Bert]

I have no one else to vote for right now so I figured I would see what everyone else thought of my vote.

I can't find the post asking if I have town reads on everyone but Guyett but no i don't. I just am not confident in my other scum read Bert. The kill today made me sad to say the least.

I think Assassin is town along with Morph and Shiny. Brian is odd to me and I know I am town.

Are you comfortable with your Guyett scumread? And why is Guyett scum?

[Bert]

My tactic? Can you explain this for me?

When you voice your reads as being sorta tentative, not forceful, like

when you list Brian as odd, it makes it easy for you to quickly hop onto a Brian wagon if a wagon starts

or like, you say you are "uncomfortable" with your scumread on me, so that is like once someone says BERT IS SCUM, you can just place your vote and say "that's what I was thinking"

but then, like you say "i think X and Y are town (Shiny adn someone else)" then you can suddenly change.

You don't have a STRONG townread, or a STRONG scumread that you're backing up

That's what's worrying me about you

does this make sense

I feel like you are being indecisive

[Bert]

Reads list going up tomorrow.

<3

Look, Brian is in 9 games right now and his play-style has been adjusted to compensate.

Noted.

Saki gut-wise is scum

Vote: Viera Assassin

the gut feels what it feels

[Bert]

Bert, But I know the terrible, terrible things that can happen when I let Paranoia roam free so mostly, I'm watching you interact with R and talking a bit about you in our talking space

K. You got by me as town for most of 527 until Majiffy started being scummy on D4, so IGMEOU

WATCH OUT

Noone hammer please. I am actually doing the reads right now. I am watching football at the same time though.

You realize that Saki hasn't claimed and no one has signaled any intent? off topic, but Raiders-Broncos is a blow-out

You guys keep saying Beast needs rope, yet you all vote Saki?

Giving him time to put more than "town" and "scum" besides his reads list names....after that I can make my conclusion

[Bert]

After my Day 2 re-skim today, I am most paranoid about Viera still.

VOTE: Guyett
Someone hammer please.
I am a Vanilla townie

Exaggerated overreaction.

This worries me a wee bit. Bring me through your thought process and tell me what led you to self-vote

[Bert]

Who did you hide behind Night 2??

Also, why is Guyett a scumread

I'm okay with a massclaim by the way

[Bert]

Okay...did you crumb at all?

But MAN, those threats by Guyett and Saki to self-hammer look bad. I mean, Jason did that to me last game in 1415 and had me withdraw my vote on him. JKLM did the SAME THING.

I have to re-evaluate. AHHH morph I can't feel totally comfortable with you after Cabd day 1. And I'm worried/paranoid about Saki being a mislynch.

I am doubting myself, this is so uncool. If you had been here DAY 1 and were playing like you did yesterday from the get-go, then I'd leave you alone, no questions asked

[Bert]

If Brian's somehow scum with you, then this game is basically already over and we're screwed.

But the way Guyett went "I would LOVE the hammer, let's lynch Beast please! - and then hammer?" - like I cannot see him doing that as scum from my 1481 baseline. I'm gonna have to use PoE this game, and I'd go with you and Saki at this point. God Bert why are you always like this

I have such a strong scumread on Saki that I just want her dead tbh, how she expresses her thoughts so far, and that intent to hammer AtE spill...

the bottom line is nothing feels genuine with VA this game. That said, I have baselines with all of you, but my one with Saki is now ineffective. His comments about his own meta yesterday to you were terrible!

[Bert]

^that was to Morph

[Bert]

Cabd has not posted anything particularly townie this game, unless he has been impersonating you somehow and generated reads in-thread. What are his scumreads right now?

My read on you is now based on all of my experience with you, and all my feelings. Cabd I saw as scum in 527 which is now COMPLETED, but he hasn't been working with us during this game. I've been as transparent as you'll see me in my games with you. You saw how I kept changing votes in 527 like an insane VI, I don't definitely know whether to trust you or not. In the end, you aren't casting doubt on me like you were in 1415, though, which is good.

What I didn't like about Saki was that he kept directing our attacks on him by deflecting them to others. That's what makes me annoyed.

Yesterday when I came back from class and saw it was night, my gut instinct was to check out Guyett more closely. Brian, I'm curious to see where you are at right now. You're the only one that's most town town town.

VA has pinged my scumdar the most...I very often doubt my Nacho reads mid-game, much like I'm doubting my town read on you yesterday, Ffery. Dang it.

[Bert]

Ffery, I remember after 1415 you said that you hoped to have had things sorted out and the "right" answers by the end of the day. How sure are you about VA as scum

AND how have your synergies been with other players so far? you said your gameplay depends on that, IIRC

[Bert]

In 1415 I was town. Why is it good that my play is different in this game? Why do you think it's different?

there is no real disconnect that I feel between you and other players that you are trying to work with. And there shouldn't be, because your failure in reaching out to a person you thought you could reach out to - that didn't happen this game. So I've been watching you closely.

you aren't pinging my gut this game like you did in 1415

if you still didn't have a good idea by now (after 527 and 1415) of how I play as town, then there would be something seriously wrong. But here you aren't filling yourself with doubt about me like you were there when my play was sorta new to you. Your play kinda felt discombobulated in that newbie, but you said it came down to a disconnect there with me.

if you were still very uncomfortable calling me town like you were in 1415, then I would be even more paranoid about you

in 527, you pegged me correctly. 1415 was just really troublesome, to say the least

hope that makes some sense, lol

[Bert]

so glad I at least have one solid townread - Brian.

Guyett, I'm in the same boat - that there's scum in you/Saki. Thinking about Guyett/Cat and picking who is scum just confuses me. VA is the only one that doesn't 'seem' town at all

therefore you are scum because scum can't quickhammer if a scum member is already voting

hey Guyett
think of this?

This mudslinging makes me want to lynch you tbh

[Bert]

both of you are making accusations (not really mudslinging), but for the record, the quick vote to start the day worries me too. Part of me worries that you two are bussing each other.

That's what I'm thinking right now

Saki, anything else to add today?

[Bert]

My brain is telling me to not be stupid and lynch VA today

Saki, the way you came in today and defended yourself feels weird gut-wise. That, and some of your posts don't feel genuine.

Really weird, but yeah I need help because I don't trust my gut today

[Bert]

Why should I trust you?

[Bert]

Yeah, I seriously doubt Guyett is scum

VOTE: Viera Assassin

I've put it all out there

also, this vote is NOT for just solely clearing out lurker suspects, that isn't enough at this point. I'm judging VA on his play alone, and he does not get bonus points for lurking.

[Bert]

I've never lynched correctly in LYLO as town, unfortunately

Things change, though....I am a VT, by the way. My name's Hakurei Reimu (whoever dat is) <3

[Bert]

Yeah, most likely would be me you and cat probably =[

[Bert]

I played pretty poorly for my standards, especially Day 1, when I was given a free pass (before Mini 1482 finished and came out and I had to revamp everything I do everywhere).

Thanks for the game, GIFFY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! GG, Ffery! <3

<3333333333333333 Day 2 was scary.

[Bert]

Was there a Dead QT?

[Bert]

I'm really interested in knowing what pegged Sakura/Nacho onto Bert and Morph as scumteam.

I can't answer them but...

Well one of my scumgames ended during Night 1 of this game (or just before Night 1 began), and I was playing exactly the same way (just about) in that game as I was in this, and it was different from my town game.

That's why Nacho had me as town during all of Day 1, and suddenly Night 1 he started seeing me as scum here.

I had to do a playstyle minor overhaul/revamp on Day 2, and thankfully Cabd/Ffery killed Nacho otherwise I would have been in trouble.

[Bert]

Lucky, can I see what you ranted in the Dead QT? <3