Micro 231: Mismatching Flavor Mafia (Game Over!)

[Brian Skies]

/confirm

[Brian Skies]

So... On a scale of 1 to 10 how weird is the subject of your role PM? Mine is like a 8.

Weird or awesome? 10 in both cases.

VOTE: Mononoke

Nacho hydras everywhere.

[Brian Skies]

Mononoke? I don't know anything about it. And I don't play favorites.

[Brian Skies]

UNVOTE: Mononoke

VOTE: Lucky2u

I don't like you pushing a vote on another player. And I don't see it as a serious claim (possible, but I doubt it). Even if it was, her claim tells us nothing (thanks mod!).

[Brian Skies]

But the capital of Nebraska is already named after you.

[Brian Skies]

A
GOD
DAMN
STATE

beginning to understand why you died...

Apparently because the penny and the five dollar bill wasn't enough.

[Brian Skies]

I am Nacho
M is Tippy
R is Who

~L

Liar liar pants on fire!!!!

Nacho is not in ur hydra

Don't u be pulling my chain like that

You dare??? Shame shame shame on you

Especially since Nacho already has a hydra in this game.

[Brian Skies]

Identity theft is a serious offense. I WILL NOT STAND FOR THIS!

UNVOTE: Lucky2u

VOTE: Shiny Hydreigon

[Brian Skies]

It's fine. I'm already bored, so I'm signing up for more games to waste more time.

How bout you?

[Brian Skies]

Are you buddying me? Actually, don't answer that. I like surprises (sometimes).


And yeah, I find this site to be a great time-waster. So much to read.

[Brian Skies]

Would it help if I assured you I wasn't scum?

[Brian Skies]

If nacho/sakura prove to be scum, then I will be more than happy to take them down with you.

[Brian Skies]

I'm starting to feel bad, because we've practically taken a whole page for ourselves.

[Brian Skies]

BERT! Don't let them fool you with their LIES!

[Brian Skies]

Nacho is an awesome player. He got me a win in a game where I did nothing. By far the best teammate I have ever had.

I hope so. Nacho is on my list of players to emulate. Well, it's a pretty short list (he's the only one on it right now).

Skies/Charizard <--- Serious Scumteam

~L

=(

But Bert and I just solidified our friendship....

[Brian Skies]

Me and you are going to tango

Really? Cuz I LOVE to dance!

Well, actually, no, I don't.

[Brian Skies]

Look on the bright side NS. If this was a political race, you'd be winning!

[Brian Skies]

my vote is serious Skies, how about yours because if it is, I would think you would be a little bit more receptive to a 1v1

I haven't been serious for most of this game. Kind of hard after seeing that role PM.

[Brian Skies]

We will figure out who is in this hydra once all is said and done, don't you worry, scumbags

Why is this so important to you? If they want to be anonymous, I say let them.

[Brian Skies]

I'm starting to feel the maturity level in this thread plummeting.

[Brian Skies]

if the vote wasn't serious

then why place us at L-1?

~L

I didn't.

o.O

[Brian Skies]

It's 5 to lynch, and I'm pretty sure you only have 3 votes.

[Brian Skies]

Even so, Bert is the one who sheeped me. So look at him.

[Brian Skies]

I still <3 you Bert.

[Brian Skies]

At least two of the heads thinks I'm scum. I'm sure there is a valid reason in there somewhere.

[Brian Skies]

Identity theft is a serious offense. I WILL NOT STAND FOR THIS!

UNVOTE: Lucky2u

VOTE: Shiny Hydreigon

Definitely meant as a joke.

Bert approves of your vote

Vote: Shiny Hydreigon

They are withholding vital, life-saving information in a sneaky way in plain sight

P-edit: yup, boring school year. Yay high five!! This site is a fabulous distraction especially late in the evening

Oh look! I found the sheep vote!

[Brian Skies]

Oh, and you're at L-2.

[Brian Skies]

I said that because you claimed I put you at L-1, which is wrong. So I assumed you were attacking me for being the last vote on you. I'm not. Bert is.

[Brian Skies]

I didn't say it wasn't a joke. I'm pretty sure it was. But it's still the sheep vote.

[Brian Skies]

And I'm still bothered that not only did you get the facts wrong, but you're still advancing on me with pretty much nothing.

[Brian Skies]

Bothered by what? Someone getting the facts wrong? I'm pretty sure that would bug everyone.


Yo Bert, you sure Sakura Hana is in the correct hydra?

[Brian Skies]

Your vote and scum-read aren't what's bothering me. Your reasoning is. It's completely flawed.

[Brian Skies]

You throw random crap at me and declare me scum. Nothing you've said about me is true so far.

[Brian Skies]

So Bert. What are the odds this game is bastard?

[Brian Skies]

I'm starting to get the feeling this Hydreigon wants to get lynched.

Nacho? Bert? Cabd? Thoughts?

[Brian Skies]

I wouldn't mind you trying to throw some crap back at us.

And this would accomplish what exactly?

[Brian Skies]

Well, if hydreigon is going to play this way, I don't mind lynching it.

[Brian Skies]

I'm reading at least 2 of the heads as scum, so I'm content.

[Brian Skies]

I originally voted you as a joke. I'm keeping it there because what you are doing now isn't helping the town in any way.

[Brian Skies]

Whatever helps you three sleep at night.

[Brian Skies]

Anyhow, I'm going to sleep. There's no point talking with you when you three aren't even bothering to play right.

[Brian Skies]

Well, then if you are so damn convinced that I'm scum, why not just lynch the both of us?

[Brian Skies]

I'm not asking you to vote me. I'm saying the town should just lynch the both of us.

[Brian Skies]

I live in Las Vegas. I don't mind a little gamble.

[Brian Skies]

I think you are scum. You think I am scum. If we're so certain, the town should just lynch us both.

[Brian Skies]

I don't know the set-up, but with 9 players, I'm assuming there are 2 mafia (could be three but what would I know). So in my mind, the worst that could happen is us putting the town at lylo.

[Brian Skies]

you think we are scum and you also think we are not playing right?

R~

The second part, yes. But I think there is a possibility of both. And I'm favoring it pretty heavily.

[Brian Skies]

Also, since you are already at L-2, I think it would be easier if we just lynched you first. If you flip town, then the town should lynch me. No questions asked.

[Brian Skies]

But if the town should decide I should be lynched first, then I'm okay with that to. But if I flip town, you should be lynched as well, no questions asked.

[Brian Skies]

Either way I don't care. I like this gamble.

[Brian Skies]

I suggest you take the gamble, because until you can convince me that you're town, I WILL push this.

[Brian Skies]

I mean, you DO think I'm scum, right? Wouldn't it benefit the town to sacrifice yourself to get me lynched?

[Brian Skies]

I'm gonna sleep. You can decide amongst yourselves until I return.

[Brian Skies]

I don't see it as super scummy to want my only scum read so far to claim. It is soon though, you're right. I'll wait patiently, and let himself prove himself scum to everyone else too.

I'll claim when I reach L-1 and someone claims intent to hammer.

Question Time for Everybody:
What do you think of the 1v1? How about the reactions? Motivations?
What are your thoughts on the gamble? Do you think it benefits the town? Why or why not? What about the reactions? Motivations?
If the town decides to go through with the gamble and the lynched person flips town, would you hold your word and lynch the other slot, no questions asked?
Any other concerns? Questions? Thoughts?

[Brian Skies]

I would also like the heads of the nacho/sakura hana hydra to answer the questions separately, if possible.

[Brian Skies]

Question Time for Everybody:
What do you think of the 1v1? How about the reactions? Motivations?
What are your thoughts on the gamble? Do you think it benefits the town? Why or why not? What about the reactions? Motivations?
If the town decides to go through with the gamble and the lynched person flips town, would you hold your word and lynch the other slot, no questions asked?
Any other concerns? Questions? Thoughts?

These questions aren't optional. I seriously want you people to answer them.

[Brian Skies]

What is the point of these questions? What motivation do you see in the answers? What about the reactions to your questions? If this Gamble is dumb will you admit it? What is your motivation of putting town at LYLO?

1) The point of these questions is to help sort. If you guys do end up in LYLO, why not try to get some information out of it? Some questions refer to the 1v1. Some questions refer to the gamble. Whether the questions are scum motivated or not, I am sure there is information in there that can help benefit the town. Instead of worrying about the point of the questions, how about trying to find a way to get that information?
2) A lot of information can come out of the answers. Try to think outside the box a little bit.
3) Some people see reactions as useful information. I don't hold it in particularly high regard. I'm not that type of player. If you don't like the questions, don't answer. But I don't see why you would be hesitant to.
4) Yes.
5) Try to figure that out for yourself (and I've already answered this in the thread). Answer the questions, use the information you gather, and try to sort everyone.

[Brian Skies]

You're trying too hard to come up with questions.

My gut feels like you are trying too hard to act town, and all these hypotheticals man.... <3

you scum, bro?

I actually wrote the questions on a whim this morning. And I think it's weird that you think I'm trying too hard to act town. I'm really not.

Would it help if I assured you I wasn't scum again?

1) 1v1 is lots of time for scum theatrics
2) reactions and motivations are very hard to see through due to the theatrics
3) what gamble?
4) yes it benefits the town, as we get to hunt you down
5) Reactions and motivations are all up in the air, depends on your alignment
6) no, I would not hold my word. I do not make promises
7) no other concerns, questions, or thoughts, except that you're pinging me gut big time

1) Then what do you think of Shiny Hydreigon?
3) Lynching both of us since we both think the other is scum.

[Brian Skies]

All I'm gonna say is NS ruined my fun. =(

[Brian Skies]

You said notscience was in the three-headed monster?

[Brian Skies]

I mean he actually. Got me to make some semblance of a case

What case? I'm totally confused right now.

And I was totally convinced ns was in that hydra (still kind of am).

[Brian Skies]

Yea...152 isn't much of a case to me. It still feels like you slinging mud at me.

[Brian Skies]

I have looked at it.

Here's the thing: I like LOGIC. If things don't make sense, I either question it or ignore it. You based your entire case by throwing random and inaccurate claims at me, and I seriously thought one of your heads was mentally challenged. Then I tried to see why you were throwing mud at me, and you just brushed it aside. After seeing the role PM's and the way you were playing, I thought the game could have been bastard. It wasn't until later that I actually bothered to look it up and find that the mod assured us it wasn't a bastard set-up. This was when I decided I wanted to lynch you.

As for emotions, I've heard of them. I'm not ruled by them. They buzz around every now and then. But I tend to ignore them. That's just the way I am.

[Brian Skies]

As for the pinging in Bert's stomach, that's good. Based on his familiarity with me, that means I can townread him.

[Brian Skies]

Bert was also pretty spot-on about me for the first 4 pages or so.

[Brian Skies]

Is it weird if I'm having different reads for different heads?

[Brian Skies]

To some degree, yes, that wall is pretty logical. How you got there, however, isn't. You expected me to react in a certain way by throwing inaccurate statements at me, and when I didn't react the way you expected me to (like seriously, how am I supposed to react to that illogical crap), you just assumed I was scum.

[Brian Skies]

Brian is playing sorta recklessly and more carefree here than I remember

After seeing my role PM (it's pretty freaking weird, I don't think a 1-10 scale would be able to cover it), I found it pretty hard to be serious.

[Brian Skies]

As for posts #172 and 173, whose opinions are each of those? The individual signee's opinion or the opinion of the entire entity?

[Brian Skies]

WTF?! MY ROLE COMES IN DIFFERENT FLAVORS! WHAT IS THIS MADNESS?!!!!!

[Brian Skies]

Yeah, my role can no longer be contained on the 1-10 scale of weirdness/awesomeness.

[Brian Skies]

UNVOTE: Shiny Hydreigon
VOTE: Guyett

[Brian Skies]

No reason except that I find it scummy I had to do that to get you to respond.

[Brian Skies]

You have been ignoring this thread until I voted you. I want your thoughts on the game and your reads.

There are also some questions in the thread. You can answer those too.

[Brian Skies]

You seem to vote people for no reason other than for the heck of it.

There is reasoning, I assure you. How about some scumhunting? It's not enough to find one scum, you need to find all of them.

[Brian Skies]

Anyhow, I have stuff to do, and no one seems to want to participate much right now. So here are my reads in the case I end up getting lynched overnight for whatever reason. They're pretty rough though (no thanks to the rest of you lot!).

Bert - Leaning town. Has really good town-vibes. His early analysis of me in the beginning of the game has been pretty spot-on. Based on his familiarity with me, I've liked his reactions to the way I've been playing. Also, I like the content he's generated.
Shiny Hydreigon L-Head - Slight townread. I didn't like the way he attacked me, but recent interactions gives off a pretty good town-feel for me. I also like it's reaction when I offered my gamble.
Cabd - Null. He literally has no content up to this point.
Mononoke - Null. Similar to above.
Viera Assassin - Null. Nothing but RVS crap.
Shiny Hydreigon - Null-scum. The L-head is what's mostly giving me a town-read here. I didn't like R's reaction to my offer, but I don't know how much I should weigh the reactions because I can't tell if some of them are done as the individual signee or as the entire entity.
Lucky2u - Slight scumread. Mostly a gut-read. He has done some things I didn't like, but it was the RVS stage. I didn't like him asking me for a claim.
BeastCharizard - Slight scumread. His iso seems too scummy to me.
Guyett - Leaning scum. I literally had to vote him to get him into the thread. And he has absolutely zero content. I am not a fan of lurking.

[Brian Skies]

You know, I joined this game because I thought the set-up and player list was going to be extremely fun. And after I saw my role, I really wanted to believe it would be. I was even excited to write a claim for it in case I had to. Instead, I get some lame ass hydra attacking me with flawed fucking logic before the first night ends (aggravating me and sucking out all my fun) and a bunch of people accusing me of being scum for a 1v1 I didn't even initiate. And then when I try to play serious, salvage some credibility, and help my wincon, I end up with a bunch of pansies wondering why we should even try to seek more information and do actual scum-hunting. Not to mention people that haven't posted any content to help (I understand people are busy, I really do). As for the gambit, NO I DON"T THINK IT WAS A BAD FUCKING IDEA. I did it because I thought Shiny was scum and wanted it lynched, but it's MAIN PURPOSES were to shut it up, let me get some sleep, and get me some reads off of it.

So if I fucked up your wincon, then my bad. BUT DON'T MAKE ME YOUR FUCKING SCAPEGOAT WHEN YOU MISLYNCH ME BECAUSE SOME PEOPLE HAVE BEEN INACTIVE AND OTHERS REFUSE TO LOOK FOR INFORMATION!

And if you want to hammer me, don't bother waiting for a claim. It isn't coming. You'll see my role when I flip.


@Bert: Sorry I can't keep my promise. Our time was short. I'll try to make it up to you in the future.

@Guyett: Your last post makes it obvious that I came off rude to you. Please know that wasn't my intention. I understand people are busy, but when I vote a random inactive person with no content and they immediately respond wondering why I voted them, it comes off as scummy. I have no credibility right now and I was aggravated and desperate. I apologize if you're town and I am the direct cause of your loss. Not so much if you're scum.

[Brian Skies]

the unvote was a product of some serious thinking and both my gut and

the being reckless say he is town

... however I don't like the way he is trying so hard to be town and I really don't like that gambit.

I need more time to think as we still have plenty of time left in the day to decide if he is a good lynch.

I don't like the part in bold, even though it is to my immediate benefit.

The part in italics is the most townish thing I've read so far and gives me a townread of you. If you are going to lynch me anyways (which I wouldn't blame you if you did), it's better to get some good information out of it.

You should have totally claimed anyway.

I don't like how you're still asking for a claim, but I might as well at this point (Guyett technically DID put me at L-1 and Sakura Hana seems close to declaring intent). I'm pretty much dead and I deserve to get lynched.

I'm nyancat. I'm a poptart that races across the endless depths of space. My only abilities are the rainbows turning me into a projectile and the incessantly annoying nyans. Did I mention I come in different flavors?

It's not as good of a claim as I wanted, but I've lost the motivation to make it one. If you can't tell what my role is, I'm a VT.

If you didn't suggest the 1v1 then who did?

Shiny Hydreigon wanted to 1v1 me. I used the gambit to disengage and get a read off it. I didn't think the town would be careless enough to just accept the gambit because I agreed to it. But I was convinced at that point that Shiny Hydreigon was scum and was prepared to give myself up for the trade. I kept the offer on the table because I thought the gambit and 1v1 from Shiny would have been good discussion points to find motivations, allegiances, other possible links, etc. But you guys didn't really want to discuss it and just declared me scum.

so much fucking ate
i was about to listen to L and reconsider, but goddamnit wtf is 230?

guyett also looks town

Post 230 is self-defeatism. Post 229 made me feel like crap (rightfully so!). And I've been aggravated by the lack of effort from the town trying to find information.

I agree on the guyett read.

Here's the thing:

I like LOGIC

.

Hehe... I made a similar statement to this when I wanted people to think I was town (and I was scum). I like you Brian, I'll wait until tomorrow to lynch you.

Guyett's unvote doesn't ring scummy to me charizard, it looks like a town who got scared he was about to lynch town.

I'm having second thoughts on my shiny read after the last page or two...

Too bad Shiny Hydreigon sailed my logic boat away.

And I'm getting a good townfeel from the combination of guyett's paranoia and desire for more information.

Hi sorry for not posting but haven't heard from Nacho for a while, I'm thinking Brian is acting scummy and his questions are more than likely to appear town

and fish some reads for NKs

, but I'm waiting on more feedback from Nacho regarding his vote on Cabd.

~Sakura Hana

Sakura's current play makes me think town. And what? That's an interesting point, but a little far-fetched to me.

What about my ISO is scummy?

You have all these posts and no fluff but nothing seems town to me. Your lack of scumhunting and your extreme lack of desire to find information seems fishy to me. And you used me as either being an odd player or scum as an excuse to jump on the wagon. Why not find that answer yourself? I don't have anything that logically points to you as scum, so it's mostly a gut-read (hence the word seems).

[Brian Skies]

If you guys still think I'm scum, go ahead and lynch me. But you guys still have 11 days left, you might as well use some of it.

[Brian Skies]

Man, everytime someone claims VT they get lynched and turn up... in fact VT!, I wasn't intending to vote you, I only said I thought you were scummy, so I'm not sure where you made that assumption, but I do agree that it's not a good idea for the day to end early. The flavor doesnt look like a fake claim to me.
Btw are you an alt? you seem like you know me, but I dont remember you at all.

~Sakura Hana

The pattern of reasons for voting me made me think I was going to get lynched. I didn't say you were going to hammer me, just that you were probably preparing to.

Also, I'm not an alt. Your reputation from the games I've read aren't exactly flattering. Although, I do believe there are a lot of good things about your play (they just don't stand out as much). Plus, I've already read through this game: http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=29901

The above link is where I borrowed the idea of the gambit from. And it's why I wanted you and Nacho to answer the questions separately. I didn't actually plan on ever using the gambit, it just popped into my head during my interactions with Shiny.

I thought he was a hydra

No.

VOTE: Guyett
You pegged him, Lucky

I forgot you were in this game. What am I missing, Viera? I'm not as smart as you so you need to explain it to me.

Nyancats take away your capacity to scumhunt?

Just my ability to be serious in the RVS stage.

You think they are a jester? Why?

1) I play on Epic Mafia every now and then. Some of the set-ups I play include 1 fool, so I've seen players either try to get lynched or allow themselves to get lynched.
2) From pages 4-6, Shiny was continuously incriminating me with flawed logic. Because of how blatant it was, initially I didn't think Shiny was scum. The other suspicion that DID come up was the possibility of a fool being in the set-up. I forgot what the set-up was and the flavor threw me off. I DID in fact look for GiF's /mod post later to reassure me that it wasn't a bastard set-up. This led me back to point A and I read Shiny as scum.

The Shiny Hydra is town. I am not sure about you quite yet.

Everyone's been saying Shiny is probably town, but I can't logically see this through our interactions. Is it a meta thing? Or am I missing something really important?

As for your read on me, it's expected. I haven't exactly been the model townie (understatement).

[Brian Skies]

Also, I did get a small townread for Shiny, but not for the same reason as Guyett.

[Brian Skies]

Why did you choose Sakura to look at first with regard to past games? Curious choice

You should already know the answer Bert, but I can't say the reason why.

Hint: Sakura wasn't the reason I was reading that game. She just happened to be in it.

[Brian Skies]

Whoa. So I WAS about to do a post by post analysis of what I was thinking during each interaction with Shiny and I realized that some of my posts (even though I know what I was thinking and doing at the time) just seem really really scummy to me in a re-read. So even though I thought Shiny was trying to 1v1 me, I was wrong. Instead of clearing up Shiny's mistake (which was what I thought I was doing), it looks like I'm instigating the 1v1 (even though I wasn't). And taking it from another person's point-of-view, I look really scummy and Shiny's assault on me looks like town. It also explains why Shiny kept saying its gut was pinging.

Or at least that's what I'm gathering after re-reading the game from a fresh perspective. I got caught in the heat of the moment and couldn't read the tone of the thread up to that point. =(

Although, Post 285 is pretty inaccurate in reading me and my intentions (although not unwarranted). From another person's perspective, I'd probably lynch me. T_T

Why did you choose Sakura to look at first with regard to past games? Curious choice

You should already know the answer Bert, but I can't say the reason why.

Hint: Sakura wasn't the reason I was reading that game. She just happened to be in it.

Please explain this Brian

I can't. Nacho and Bert should be able to figure it out. All you need to know is that I had already read this game (for reasons unrelated to Sakura Hana), and I remembered Sakura doing a crazy gambit (this is where I borrowed the idea for the gambit).

I declare the 1v1, in an attempt to try and get a better grasp on you, but instead of being receptive and letting it happen you just try and find various reasons to make it not happen

I originally thought the declaration of the 1v1 was a joke (because of the way the thread was going up to this point). It is pretty clear that you, Bert, and I are joking around quite a bit (as well as others). As far as me trying to find reasons not to let it happen, I was just trying to figure out why you thought I put you at L-1. I was seriously trying to clear this up for you.

I called you out for putting us at L-1,

but instead of just saying "no"

you try to rationalize something that totally doesn't really need to be rationalized as well as tried to Pin Bert as scum for sheeping I think...

After re-reading, there was a point where the part in bold should have happened. I see this now. The part in italics is wrong. I thought the focus was on me because you thought I was the last vote or you though I was sheeping Bert. I said Bert was the sheep vote to: 1) make it clear I wasn't sheeping and that I wasn't the last vote as well as 2) to see if you would shift your attention to Bert. You didn't acknowledge me and continued to joke around with Bert. So I went ahead and looked for evidence to make it clear. In hindsight, this was BAD. It looks extremely scummy to me now and it only looks like I'm trying to pin it on Bert.

Going forward, you stated that we have thrown random crap at you, we havn't.

After I made that terribly scummy mistake, I seem to make things worse and it actually looks like I'm instigating a 1v1 with you (I wasn't, I swear). And the entire time I thought the basis of our argument was still me putting you at L-1. I was wrong.

and it is one of the most richest reactions I have gotten in such a long time, it's going to take a while to get it all sorted out

I live to entertain my dearies. Even at my own expense.

after making those accusations, you call us out for being a possible jester (which I find to be incredibly amusing, and am currently trying to figure out if it actually does make you more likely town rather than scum)

Actually, Bert mentions a Jester somewhere before I do. I don't know if that's the reason why I was subconsciously worried about it, but I really thought you could have been a Jester. After the first time I try to disengage and go to sleep, I straight up returned to this site to find out whether or not the set-up was bastard.

you plant the seeds that you will later use as a way to make any argument that we may make in the future invalid

What seeds?

at this point, your tone and posture already read

as Scum backed up against a wall

over town

who is upset over being wrongfully read

The bold part is wrong. The italics part is what I was feeling up to this point. I WAS pretty frustrated though. And pretty confused.

you finally call us scum, you finally admit that you think that we are scum

This is after I realized the set-up wasn't bastard.

it's we are not properly playing which is weird because if we are scum (as I have stated earlier) then we are properly playing

I said I thought it wasn't you guys properly playing because I thought you guys were blatantly trying to appear as scum. Regardless of alignment, I do not find this as proper play. Looking back, I had a misunderstanding.

and then you make your lovely, lovely Gambit which is more you trying to get us lynched, and surviving another day than an actual gambit. I will admit, here I have gotten shaky ground, but R has pointed out that the Gambit is a means to get us lynched because you even stated that we should go first because we were already at L-2 at that time. you were already looking for a mislynch AND it already serves as a means to look like you are actually town, a means of gaining artificial town cred.

This is where I remembered Sakura's gambit from the link I posted. I was INDEED trying to get you lynched. I seriously thought you were scum at this point. But I didn't actually think it was going to happen. I offered myself up first because I wanted to see your reaction (I'm still trying to read you at this point). I didn't like your reaction until post 173. Some of your initial reactions seemed hesitant to accept the trade and I thought you were really scared of dying. But from my point-of-view, if you were convinced I was scum, then you would be willing to accept the trade because you would expect me to flip scum. This is why I got two different reads off you. One head was scared to die but the other head was convinced I was scum and wanted to lynch me. I would like to admit that I DID IN FACT pull of this gambit already knowing it was a dumb move to take the 1v1 (this can be shown in the game I linked). I didn't actually expect the town to just accept the trade. But I did want to use the whole situation to gather some information from other members.

It is a taaaaddd bit towish that you decided to ignore me saying that exploiting me is the best way to gain a town-read on you, and thus stop the attacking however it isn't enough for me

I think this is in my favor, but I don't know where this is coming from. But yes?

as for your question, 172 and 173 are individual opinions.

This is the cause of the different reads and the EXACT reason why I asked whose opinions they were.

after it's proven that we are going to be a tough person to fight with, you decide to go after lurker Guyett, ignoring every other person who wasn't really active at that time. Viera included

There were actually a few inactive players. I just randomly picked one and hoped to get them into the thread. Guyett's quick response whose only content asked why I was voting him made me suspicious.

230 was a wierd post and I'm going to have to concur with R there. Emotion wise, it doesn't really belong, I don't think we have pushed you to that point, and if we have it's because you have done shit. The emotion there is akin to someone who as broken down, I don't think you've gotten to that point yet, considering your quick jump back into the game soon after (in reference to your post which comes a couple hours after said post)

It really was how I was feeling. Guyett's posts about being busy, not liking my attitude, and the responses to my questions (which looked really town, especially because all the tones seemed to match) made me feel like a jerk that was in the wrong and I felt my stomach drop with guilt. But at the same time, I was aggravated because I felt that the entire town was misreading me because of scum Shiny (not how I feel now) and that I was going to get lynched for nothing. The town didn't even seem motivated to look for information before lynching me (I was at L-1 at this point). So I decided to claim, vented my anger, and tried to apologize to Bert (because I was townreading him at the time) and Guyett (because I felt like a jerk).

and soon after, you agree that guyett is town? the guy you have voted for, and called scum? what caused the quick turnaround there?

I felt that if Guyett was scum, he could have used a number of reasons to just let me get lynched. Instead, he becomes a bit paranoid that we might be wrong and realizes that the town doesn't have any information on the vast majority of the players. Lucky and Charizard didn't really seem that interested in finding more information, so Guyett's thirst for knowledge was like a shining beacon of hope for town.


If there are any other questions you have, I'd be willing to answer them. However, after realizing my mistakes and misunderstandings, I really think Shiny is town.

[Brian Skies]

Okay. Before you lynch Guyett, I would like to clear something up. I DID say I randomly voted an inactive player. This is both true and untrue. I randomly picked Guyett from the player list and looked at his activity date. I saw he was recently online (please look at the timestamps of when I voted him and when he responded in relation to his story, it was really really late) and I voted him because I was suspicious (he was the only person I looked at, I said it was random and it looked like good vote placement). So I do think there is merit to him being truly busy. I DID think it was scummy that he replied right away with no content except him asking why I voted him. But considering what happened afterwards and his story, I think it's important to tell you this when you assess Guyett.

So here are my reads:
Shiny - Town. I had a revelation. It was very shocking.
Bert - Leaning town. I was feeling pretty good for him earlier, but I feel like he's kind of disappeared for some reason. Still, I have a good gut-read from him.
Guyett - Leaning town. I found his posts to be pretty genuine. He could have used a number of excuses to just hop on the bandwagon and let me get lynched. But he jumped off and was the first person to ACTIVELY ask for more information.
Mononoke - Null. I really have no idea how to read Sakura or Nacho.
Cabd - Null. Where are you?
VA - Leaning scum. I don't know how I should be reading this slot. But I don't like what it's done early game. And I don't know if it is just being opportunistic. General lack of information and I don't know how to deal with players like these.
beast - Leaning scum. I feel like he is being opportunistic. And it didn't seem like he cared much about finding information. But, something feels really wrong with this read and it's bothering me. I can't pinpoint it exactly.
Lucky2u - Leaning scum. Tried to push me to vote someone early and I didn't like that. Fished for my claim (beast asked me to claim as well). Seems opportunistic.

[Brian Skies]

Hi Bert!

Also, please keep in mind Cabd had that campsite thing. I don't know if that is the direct cause of his absence, but something to keep in mind before someone decides to PL lurkers.

[Brian Skies]

brian why are you still voting Guyett when you have him as town?

R~

I forgot to move my vote.

itt lucky is buddying mononoke

liking my vote

R~

He's been doing that all game. He's like some sort of blood-sucking parasite.

VOTE: Lucky

[Brian Skies]

It's a little disheartening to have to read Cabd's post explaining how terribly I've been playing so far. I know I deserve it though, so I'm forcing myself to use it as a learning experience.

@Bert: The BeastCharizard slot has been bothering me all game. On one side, I feel like it's scum. But on the other side, I feel like I'm missing something really important and I'm reading it wrong. IT'S DRIVING ME MAD!!!

[Brian Skies]

Ah! The prod timer is 36 hours. I should have paid more attention to the Beast prod.

Also, Cabd, how close are you to catching up? It seems your progress is bottle-necking the game.

[Brian Skies]

*Essentially a prod dodge before GiF nails me when I'm in class tomorrow*

I stand by my vote.

[Brian Skies]

Woah...

I did not know that...

Holy moley Saki's in this game!!

Then you better unvote if you're afraid of an intentless hammer.

[Brian Skies]

As long as Saki isn't already on the wagon, you might as well treat L-2 as possible lynch range.

[Brian Skies]

As long as Saki isn't already on the wagon, you might as well treat L-2 as possible lynch range.

LOL. I see I am not the only one who has played with Saki before.

I haven't. But sure.

[Brian Skies]

Nacho/Sakura, what do you think of Saki being a D1 lynch? Would you consider that?

Saki's town, never lynch him

~Sakura Hana

Why? I feel like there is a whole bunch of bias behind this post.

Blame the meta.

[Brian Skies]

nope, lately he just lurks as any alignment

:/

DANG

Cheesing his way to Day 2.

[Brian Skies]

You know, I don't think I would have believed they were town if they were forced to claim.

[Brian Skies]

Well, I sure would like VA to prove to me he was town. But I'm still not understanding all the townreads on Beast.

VOTE: Beast

[Brian Skies]

beast - Leaning scum. I feel like he is being opportunistic. And it didn't seem like he cared much about finding information. But, something feels really wrong with this read and it's bothering me. I can't pinpoint it exactly.

What about this has changed since you are voting me now?

What do you mean? That's a scumread. And the list you pulled it from has you right after Lucky. I'm just going down the list.

[Brian Skies]

Are we really still going to condone this Saki play on Day 2?

[Brian Skies]

You had VA as null yesterday, I think. Has your read changed?

Tell me how to read VA and I'll tell you. The slot is a goddamn joke.

[Brian Skies]

You had VA as null yesterday, I think. Has your read changed?

Tell me how to read VA and I'll tell you. The slot is a goddamn joke.

We're most likely at 5-2 today. We don't have the luxury of lynching jokes unless they are scum jokes.

And this is why I'm currently voting my best scumread.

[Brian Skies]

You had VA as null yesterday, I think. Has your read changed?

Tell me how to read VA and I'll tell you. The slot is a goddamn joke.

We're most likely at 5-2 today. We don't have the luxury of lynching jokes unless they are scum jokes.

And this is why I'm currently voting my best scumread.

I realize that. But, you looked like you were considering a change to VA, or at least feeling out the interest level. I couldn't see anything in your ISO that suggested you're scum-reading him now.

VA hasn't done anything I find alignment indicative up to this point. He hasn't been helpful in the slightest. Of course I'd be concerned. As for voting, I'd consider it if it lead to actual content. If not scum, he's at least been anti-town up to this point (leaning heavily on just being anti-town because I don't think it's indicative up to this point).

I don't know what you mean in the last part. I've been scumreading Beast for a while now. I'm not scumreading VA, but I'm also not townreading him. This irks me.

[Brian Skies]

@VA: I don't want to have to policy lynch you at lylo. So if you won't be cooperative, I will push the policy lynch on you now.

[Brian Skies]

I don't want to have to policy lynch you at lylo.

so you'd do it? lul

If you continue to play like this, I'd definitely consider it.

[Brian Skies]

I think Assassin is town along with Morph and Shiny. Brian is odd to me and I know I am town.

Why are VA and Morph town?

Why am I odd? Does being odd make me scum? You were willing to vote me earlier for just being odd.

[Brian Skies]

I think Assassin is town along with Morph and Shiny. Brian is odd to me and I know I am town.

Why are VA and Morph town?

Why am I odd? Does being odd make me scum? You were willing to vote me earlier for just being odd.

You are null on PoE. If I am wrong on one of my scum reads then you are next in line to be scum right now.

I like how they are posting. Morph came in for Cabd IIRC and have been doing a lot of questioning and things I consider to be town. VA I just don't think is scum.

Then who are your scumreads and why?

You still haven't asked the questions regarding me, btw.

[Brian Skies]

EBWOP: You still haven't "answered" the questions regarding me, btw.

[Brian Skies]

Brian has felt off today

Brian hasn't been doing that much research and he's sort of coasting today, OK that is the impression I'm getting

Look, Brian is in 9 games right now and his play-style has been adjusted to compensate. And let's just say that not all playerlists are created equal.

In this game alone, we still have a cerberus who won't reveal it's heads, fferyl who replaced Cabd and neither of them have given the content to match, Beast is laying low and the best thing he's given me thus far is that "I'm odd," you're really touchy-feely so that requires a completely different approach, and let's not forget Saki who has a meta all his own (who Sakura said not to lynch, so I don't know).

I don't mind researching and making huge wall-posts. I really don't. But I'm not going to bother when I get the feeling I'm just going waste a lot of energy for little return.

By the way, I still love you Bert, but I have no idea how to read half this playerlist, including you. And I'm not coasting.

Plus it was my sister's birthday today. We hung out and stuff.

[Brian Skies]

That is L-1 if i am not mistaken.

It is.

[Brian Skies]

Logging off so I can finish some stuff before I sleep.

I'll give this game more attention tomorrow.

[Brian Skies]

You guys keep saying Beast needs rope, yet you all vote Saki?

[Brian Skies]

Here are my current reads:

Shiny

- Nacho said this slot was town. I'm certain this slot is town (through interactions). Unless something drastic happens, I will never vote this slot.

Guyett

- I like the interactions between Nacho and Guyett right after he unvoted me. If he was scum, it would have been easier to just wagon me. Also, refer to post 260. He just seems town to me.

Bert

- I'm going to trust Nacho's gut (post 315) and my gut (because I don't know how else to read him) that he's town. He seems to be actively scumhunting and personally, has had me pegged for most of the game.

Cabd

Cat

- I don't know. There's a general lack of activity, but his early posts do seem somewhat townish. And the replacement seems townish up to this point. I'm leaning slight town and I don't want this slot lynched yet.

Beast

- He hasn't convinced me he's town and I see a lot of things that convince me he's scum. So he's scum and he's the person I want to lynch.

Other interesting notes:

Nacho mentions something about Cabd/VA in post 393.
Cabd's early walls are not just walls of text. He does label how much he is leaning town or scum for the person. At the bottom, there is a line graph with T and S. T stands for town, S stands for scum. The X is placed on the line graph based on how heavily he is leaning in either direction. I meant to mention this earlier, I must have forgotten. There are only a few of the walls because people complained, but information is still information. Also, if you can't tell, Cabd has a really really strong townread on Beast on his Beast evaluation wall thingy.

And now I lost where I was at in my read-through. -_-

Post 514 if you're interested. Nacho's is 501.

My Saki Interpretation

31

- Hai guys, I ended slavery and got shot in the head for it.
Everything else Saki said before I got scummy is irrelevant.

255

- Guyett is scummy. Lucky said something that was probably intelligent and I'm going to sheep.

267

- Guyett and Beast are my scumreads. Lynch them.

281

- Guyett shoulda lynched super-scummy Brian. People like Guyett aren't welcome in our town.

316

- Why isn't Guyett dead yet? GUYS! I FOUND THE SCUMTEAM! BRING ROPE!

468

- Someone started a Cabd inactivity wagon. SAVE A SPOT FOR ME!

543

- Guyett said something scummy! I think he's scum! Hence, I vote him again!

545

- I misread something but Guyett is still scum.

568

- Guyett is still scum.
Interesting note: Saki never joins the Lucky wagon. It makes sense considering Saki liked something Lucky said about Guyett and sheeped it for the rest of Day 1.
Post 640- Sakura said Saki is probably town and not to lynch him. I don't know how much you want to put that into consideration.

698

- I voted Guyett Day 1 and I'm sticking to it.

734

- Guys. Seriously. Stop ignoring me. Can we lynch Guyett please?

758

- You ask for reads? Hah! I LAUGH AT YOU!

760

- Like seriously, stop.

762

- -________-

765

- So what you're telling me is...you're an idiot.

767

- You're a douchebag. Die.
And some interactions with the cat I don't care about.

Long story short, Viera was townreading Lucky early for some reason and thought Guyett was scum. He's holding his vote on Guyett because he's not convinced Guyett is town. He joined the Cabd inactivity wagon for who knows what reason and went back to voting Guyett afterwards. Instead of asking him about it, people have just been "give me reads/thoughts or die." And he doesn't want to. Sakura said he was probably town, but so did Cabd. And after I said I would be willing to policy lynch him, he voted me for being a douchebag. As for his interactions with Fferyll, it could just be a negative response to someone meta-reading him incorrectly. Anyhow, this is my take on Saki's game so far and I'd still rather lynch Beast.

[Brian Skies]

^ I'm assuming this is Cabd.

[Brian Skies]

Why Saki first?

[Brian Skies]

Nobody wants to read my Saki interpretation? I worked somewhat not hard at all on it but would still like some acknowledgement.

[Brian Skies]

brian, who is beast's buddy if not saki?

R~

This is a very awkward dilemma I have been put in. I can't really pinpoint one.

Can't say Guyett because it would have been unnecessary for Beast to push so hard at the beginning of Day 2.

So that leaves Cabd and Bert by PoE.

What do you think?

[Brian Skies]

I've already given up on figuring out the heads.

The problem with Saki is that Saki doesn't really lend much information.

[Brian Skies]

This must be the notscience head.

[Brian Skies]

Question: Where are Bert and Guy on your current reads list?

[Brian Skies]

But if you really really want to lynch Saki, I'll bite.

[Brian Skies]

re stands for what? Regarding?

[Brian Skies]

Equally likely.

[Brian Skies]

Cabd had a really early townread on Saki. And from his two wall posts, Beast had a maxed out townread whereas Nacho didn't.

[Brian Skies]

Early Cabd reads. The bottom shows where he's leaning. T is town. S is scum. The X is his lean.

Catching up, initial skim reads says nacho-flower is town;

saki

Viera Subpar-classed is town, bert is probably town but i owe it a metadive. Sorting the rest of you lot now.

Now that I'm here, doing a re-read and an ISO. Might end up posting a lot back to back.

Mononoke:

3 and 17 are RVS

35 is nacho's first post, I like most of it except the last part. No reason for flavor spec when the entire idea of the game is that the flavor mismatches.

36 made me smile. Hey nacho, did you know that I water ski goofy?

49 sakura throws out an early townread on lucky.

242 sakura notes that nacho has been AWOL. Throws out a scumread on Brian and notes that she hasn't heard from nacho why he voted me. This is supertown because no way in hell nacho wouldn't fill sakura in on a vote plan on me if they were scum.

246 Sakura, one or a few ancedotes does not a truth make.

257 Nacho is back yay. Good interactions with Skies; notes guyett's BJ tell.

258 More Nacho cheesey goodness. Interactions with guyett feel natural as an extension of noticing him BJing.

261 Sakura is back interacting with guyett some more.

I can keep going, but I already have my townread, so /lazy

Conclusion:
T~~X~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~S

Beast Charizard:

18 is RVS, but I like that he's already interacting with other players too with his line to bert.

22 hydra discussion is null to me, whatever

34 This is interesting, it comes from a town mindset, but he really shouldn't have done that. Town slip that he assumes vanilla ice cream means VT, though.

63 Beast please don't do this. There's no reason to answer a question that doesn't help us find scum.

91 "Awesome" is the wrong word. Strong is a better word.

183 This is towntowntown paranoia posting

190 Questions motivations of RQS at post 179 in a micro. More reasons for obvtown.

224 I approve of this vote and post.

232/234/236 More questioning of his scumread, challenges skies to articulate why he might be scum

266 More interaction with his votee.

270 Saki is just dumb like that, pushing PLs when he's close to being one himself from now on. (Saki and Vierra are the same person obviously in case anyone didn't figure it out)

275 Policy lynches in and of themselves aren't horrible. There's a time and a place for them. A micro game where three mis-lynches is a loss is not one of either, with very few exceptions.

341 ns is in the hydra, yes. It's marangal, notscience, and ??? as the three heads.

Conclusion:
TX~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~S

[Brian Skies]

I understand the paranoia. Another thing to note is Fferyls reads. Guess who her two scum reads are? Saki and Beast.

[Brian Skies]

Would you lean that towards Saki then? But you said Cabd is familiar with Saki.

[Brian Skies]

I thought I had the paranoia market cornered.

What do you mean?

[Brian Skies]

And notscience tends to get paranoid. Although I'd be lying if I said I wasn't thinking about it either.

@Shiny: Idk, meta and stuff. Sakura said Saki was town earlier and I thought Sakura was Saki's homie.
But Nacho did mention something about Cabd and Saki. So there's that.

[Brian Skies]

I think VA is scum. But I also know VA usually has a tendency to play like this so I'd like to sort out the rest of the playerlist first. Cabd also had an early townread on VA for no clear reason, doesn't tend to bus buddies when he doesn't have to, suspicious connection already. But then there's Bert who just needs to be town to me and we can speed this rodeo along because VA/Cabd scumteam. I don't really need to vote him for that to happen; he knows what I expect out of him.

[Brian Skies]

Sakura mentions a possible hydra disagreement over Saki's alignment in posts 640/641.

[Brian Skies]

Hmmmm. I seem to have early misconceptions about the meta.

[Brian Skies]

Well, discuss it between your heads. I'm off for the night. I have an exam early tomorrow and I don't want to miss it.

[Brian Skies]

Okay, so I have threads exploding everywhere for no reason and I haven't even caught up on this thread. But what kind of role hides behind other people and how does this "potentially" clear me.

[Brian Skies]

Pardon me for being curious, but we've already had a friendly neighbor and a watcher. This role list is far from ordinary to say the least.

[Brian Skies]

Question: If the scum killed me, would the hider die too?

[Brian Skies]

Actually, that's not the question. If the hider hides behind me and the scum target me, who dies? Just the hider, or both of us?

[Brian Skies]

@Bert: If Morph and I were the scumteam together, there should be the strong possibility of us just quick-hammering.

[Brian Skies]

Actually, I would feel a lot better if Guyett just removed his vote entirely. It's unsettling me.

[Brian Skies]

Anyhow, these are the possible scum-teams. I can cross them off as we go.

Bert

Bert-Brian

Bert-Cat
Bert-Guyett
Bert-VA

Brian

Brian-Bert

Brian-Cat

Brian-Guyett

Brian-VA

Cat

Cat-Bert
Cat-Brian
Cat-Guyett
Cat-VA

Guyett

Guyett-Bert

Guyett-Brian

Guyett-Cat
Guyett-VA

VA

VA-Bert

VA-Brian

VA-Cat
VA-Guyett

Assuming Cat's role does what it claims it does, then the only possible scum-team I can be a part of is with the Cat. If I was in a team with any other person in this game, then Cat would be town and would have no reason to lie.

Things to note based on the Guyett vote:
If Cat and I were the scumteam, we could have quick-hammered.
If Bert and Cat were the scumteam, they could have quick-hammered.

I don't want to cross these teams off yet because quick-hammers are difficult to coordinate. Just saying the windows of opportunity were there.

[Brian Skies]

I don't know. Based on my interactions with Guyett Day 1, I just can't see him as scum yet. I know it's biased, but I need some convincing before I can be persuaded to vote him.

Although, I am super pissed about that hammer on Beast.

[Brian Skies]

I'm still extremely bothered by the possibility of a Cat-VA scumteam.

[Brian Skies]

You just cleared me, why would you be voting me?

[Brian Skies]

And I'm still reading.

[Brian Skies]

Read the last sentence of post 1016 and tell me what's wrong with it.

[Brian Skies]

You're not clear though. Should you be? I don't see any reason why you should be.

[Brian Skies]

I am 100% confirmed. Nobody else is. There is no way for us to tell if your claim is even real unless I'm missing something.

[Brian Skies]

But you cleared me.

[Brian Skies]

Based on your claim, the only possibility of me being scum is with you. And we already proved that we couldn't be a scumteam because we could have quickhammered. But your claim only clears me, not you. This is what I'm trying to tell you.

[Brian Skies]

The existence of me being scum and you being town cannot exist BECAUSE of your claim alone. This means I can only be scum with you.

[Brian Skies]

I'm on page 16, let me get back to you tomorrow before I decide on anything definitive. I'm extremely slow on my thorough reads and I like having other people's opinions. But basically, my interactions with Guyett Day 1 when he put me at L-1 seemed genuine. And his story about why he posted when he did makes sense to me. I can provide these posts for you if you need them.

Anything after page 16 hasn't been touched yet, so it's mostly a gut feel.

If you think he could be scum, please provide reasons. Same for VA and Bert.

[Brian Skies]

I mean, I'm pretty sure I can make a case for anybody left in this game. But I need to read the entirety of the game before I get an idea of where I'm leaning. I'll definitely try to get this in by tomorrow.

[Brian Skies]

Here I am sitting on Page 20, and I just don't get it, Morph. I just don't get why you did what you did.

[Brian Skies]

You're on the right track, but you're just not there yet. I wonder if you can figure it out without me telling you.

Either way, I'm still only on page 23, so I'll ask you in detail tomorrow after I finish catching up.

[Brian Skies]

I'll have my posts up tomorrow. I think I have a pretty good lead.

[Brian Skies]

Guys. I was going to tell you why I was going to lynch Morph.

=( The claim was obviously fake.

[Brian Skies]

It's okay though. It's my fault for not posting my reasoning.

[Brian Skies]

Although, I just don't see how I would have been able to catch Bert.

But if you're wondering, the problem I was having with Fferyl is that they claimed if they had died after hiding behind me, then it would be obvious it was me if they died. But, one, the breadcrumbing doesn't make it obvious. And two, why would you even use a power-role like that in a lylo situation? If I'm scum, the game just ends.

[Brian Skies]

It's okay. Even though I was onto you, Bert played pretty well. He was pretty transparent and I probably wouldn't have lynched him unless it was for disappearing Day 1.

And I had already crossed you guys off as a possible scumteam (which I wasn't really buying much into anyways). Mostly because Guyett could have unvoted your quickhammer and you two could have been cautious. But yea, Bert probably wouldn't have been lynched.

[Brian Skies]

I'm really interested in knowing what pegged Sakura/Nacho onto Bert and Morph as scumteam.

[Brian Skies]

Here are my notes from last night, albeit incomplete because I stopped jotting down thoughts at some point:

Guyett-Town
- L-1 interactions seem genuine
- Post 394, why is Beast town?
- Post 432, meta play
- Post 542, town question
- Convinced it was a town-motivated hammer


Cabd
- Early townread on Saki
- I mean, seriously? Why would anyone risk death in a
lylo situation? This just doesn't make sense to me. And why wouldn't GiF explain the role
in detail? I just don't get it.
- Too many questions, not enough opinions
- Post 819, it just seems too easy

VA
- Probably going to lynch this slot at some point
- 858? What is this interaction with Ffery?
- Saki interpretation

Bert
- Seems to disappear at the wrong times
- That Lucky hammer =(
- Post 435
- Post 720
- Post 805 Pretty much as town as it can get


Other Notes:
Post 616?
Beast/Morph continue to amaze me even in the after-life





I was definitely pushing towards a Morph lynch.

[Brian Skies]

Post 805 was kind of trapping my opinion on Bert.

[Brian Skies]

Also, it's supposed to read Beast/Lucky, not Beast/Morph

[Brian Skies]

Its not anything bad lucky, you and beast said a few things i thought were either interesting, smart or funny.

And cabd, those were my notes, not my cases. My cases werent fleshed out yet.

[Brian Skies]

You gave them that as a fakeclaim? Whyyyyyyyy?!!!!

Also, I forgot to mention this early, but the main thing that pinged me about Fferyl was his (her?) overeagerness to get cleared.

[Brian Skies]

I was joking. It wasn't really serious.

And towards your overeagerness, it just didn't feel right.