Micro 231: Mismatching Flavor Mafia (Game Over!)

[Mononoke]

/confirm

[Mononoke]

Vote: Bert

OMGUS!

~Sakura Hana

[Mononoke]

Dang I will draw scum against you one day!!!

Not fair you always get to be scum against me, love <33

Unfortunately for scum, we're town together.
Maybe.

Vote: Bert

OMGUS!

~Sakura Hana

If you get lynched, can you yell out "Ashitaka!"?

It will be my bah post when we're invariably nightkilled.

UNVOTE:

VOTE: Viera Assassin

Claiming does nothing to help the village. All it does is tell the mafia that you are not Vanilla Ice Cream thus most likely not VT. So you either just outed yourself as a PR or outed yourself as scum. I am going to believe the later.

Named VT's are pretty possible with this crackheaded flavor, honestly. Viera probably claimed his role name because his role name was funny, which seems innocuous enough to me.

[Mononoke]

Vote: Cabd

It's a bit early for PoE, but always nice to make a Cabd start out on his back foot.

[Mononoke]

This def. feels like Town Lucky, the one scum-game of his I've played with him, he was way more serious.

~Sakura Hana

[Mononoke]

Hi sorry for not posting but haven't heard from Nacho for a while, I'm thinking Brian is acting scummy and his questions are more than likely to appear town and fish some reads for NKs, but I'm waiting on more feedback from Nacho regarding his vote on Cabd.

~Sakura Hana

[Mononoke]

Man, everytime someone claims VT they get lynched and turn up... in fact VT!, I wasn't intending to vote you, I only said I thought you were scummy, so I'm not sure where you made that assumption, but I do agree that it's not a good idea for the day to end early. The flavor doesnt look like a fake claim to me.
Btw are you an alt? you seem like you know me, but I dont remember you at all.

~Sakura Hana

[Mononoke]

Nacho hydras everywhere.

There's no reason to be jealous, Brian.

Nacho, if you see these posts, please please please tell me if this is Syrlacious

Marangal, probably. She has a tendency to capitalize obv a lot for some strange reason.

my vote is serious Skies, how about yours because if it is, I would think you would be a little bit more receptive to a 1v1

I haven't been serious for most of this game. Kind of hard after seeing that role PM.

Nyancats take away your capacity to scumhunt?

I'm starting to get the feeling this Hydreigon wants to get lynched.

Nacho? Bert? Cabd? Thoughts?

You think they are a jester? Why?

I don't know the set-up, but with 9 players, I'm assuming there are 2 mafia (could be three but what would I know). So in my mind, the worst that could happen is us putting the town at lylo.

That's not exactly a desirable scenario. I could think of 4 scenarios and they all seem to be more awesome to me. So let's avoid that one.

What do you think of the 1v1? How about the reactions? Motivations?

Entertaining to read, probably not good for town. The Shiny Hydra is town. I am not sure about you quite yet.

Nacho's "probably" when mentioning if we are both town is REALLY scummy,

Why?

Any reason?

Beetlejuice beetlejuice beetlejuice. Why were you following along without talking about anything that happened?

[Mononoke]

v

I have had a busy weekend. I do not like your attitude
VOTE: brian

That is L-1

Was this a policy lynch, or were you reading him as scum at the time? If you were reading him as scum, why?

however I don't like the way he is trying so hard to be town

Sometimes people don't try hard to be town; they just are that town. Why do you say that he is just trying hard to be town?

Pressure? Gut read? For the lawls? Who knows...

Poor answer

VOTE: lucky

FoS: Beast

Why are you voting lucky and why do you suspect Beast?

It feels scum motivated to me. I pointed out you could be bussing each other thus either lynch cleans the other one. Reactions are normal.

What happens when one flips town?

[Mononoke]

So at first you state he's too towny to be town then too reckless to be scum? And IMO he wasn't that towny considering i had slight scum vibes on him, so where did you think he was the shining star of towniness from?

~Sakura Hana

[Mononoke]

Any reason?

Beetlejuice beetlejuice beetlejuice. Why were you following along without talking about anything that happened?

I'm sure I've explained this already. I had RL stuff. I was at my post grad supervisors BBQ on Friday, a beer fest on Saturday and in work on Sunday. other games were running into deadlines so this game went on the backburner.

I understand it was on the backburner. But why were you still following this game if you weren't paying attention to it? Why did you respond when someone scumread you?

It is a tactic I have seen in other games. Why would you want to put yourself out there as mega town so early in the game? you're just setting yourself up for a likely NK imo.

So?

Everyone's been saying Shiny is probably town, but I can't logically see this through our interactions. Is it a meta thing? Or am I missing something really important?

I hope to explain this soon.

NACHO, YOU SCUM FUCK WHERE HAVE YOU BEEN LEAVING ME OUT IN THE DARK LIKE THIS

I don't feel I have.

[Mononoke]

I mean, I understand that you're busy being scum in Con-mafia

lol'd

Also why are you interested in Nacho's read and not mine?

~Sakura Hana

[Mononoke]

So you vote us because you want to see more of Nacho?

~Sakura Hana

[Mononoke]

Yeah ok, I see Mara still can't read me worth anything

~Sakura Hana

[Mononoke]

Oh, i thought you were M (that M makes me think Mara instead of Middle lol)

~Sakura Hana

[Mononoke]

Oh hey we stole pagetop from GiF too!

~Sakura Hana

[Mononoke]

Also @whoever that is, I don't really care what's bugging you, nor why you are voting me, this hydra is mostly because I wanna learn from nacho, so i'll let him sort you guys out.

~Sakura Hana

[Mononoke]

No problem, have fun with it, you'll find out it's wrong eventually

~Sakura Hana

[Mononoke]

Because I don't engage with people that do naked votes

~Sakura Hana

[Mononoke]

@Shiny sure.

Town
Shiny, Because of the interaction between you and Brian.
Bert, due to gut (And a recently newbie game that finished)

Null
Lucky Because paranoia from that micro matrix 6 where he was scum and said he wouldnt be found so easily next time.
beast Because i havent seen much from him.
Brian I had him as scum before, but his claim and interactions with guyett felt more townish to me so he's back to null.
Cabd Because where the heck is he.

Scum.
Guyett, I really find it fishy that he appeared just after a vote was popped on him + Gut from ETL's camping trip.

~Sakura Hana

[Mononoke]

Oh and I forgot VA was here >_>

He's null because i cant read VA worth anything.

~Sakura Hana

[Mononoke]

Yeah im referring to that game that had mutley as your partner, you know it heavily affected my read on you during rarefaction even as much as thinking you were scum after the fakehammer reaction, but oh, you flipped town, so im now paranoid.
~Sakura Hana

[Mononoke]

Stay paranoid, when people know you have meta on them, they can change their playstyle to throw you off if they are scum.

THAT'S EXACTLY WHY I AM PARANOID JEESH

And you saying that is making me even more paranoid....

~Sakura Hana

[Mononoke]

do i clap now or you have more scumtheatre?

R~

You can just go die in a hole.

Now im starting to reconsider my read on you.

~Sakura Hana

[Mononoke]

But

I'll entertain one or the other I guess

That's really mean...

It makes me feel you enjoyed watching me getting drove to self-hammer in Xenologue.

~Sakura Hana

[Mononoke]

You totally have

I mean, I understand that you're busy being scum in Con-mafia to give scumsakura the backbone she deserves from you this game, but at least try and look townish for me please

~L

you have actually

what are your reads?

R~

Cabd is scum.

right now, there is a little bit of argument amongst our heads about you, particularly between me/R and M

Is M Wisdom? He seems to be the one with the poorest reads.

So, rather than take initiative and risk others realizing you're scum you've decided to ignore us and leave it to Nacho?

That's exactly what she HASN'T been doing, actually. She's talking to me and I'm not carrying at all!

You're doing anything and everything possible to avoid engaging with me, why is that?

~M~

Except lurking or actually ignore you. So I guess she's engaging you by normal people's standards, she's just not giving you what you want.

Gun to my head, I'd go with Brian. I think I was right with my first scum read.

Why?

But

I'll entertain one or the other I guess

~L

You shouldn't.

[Mononoke]

I'm trying to be more mean/dismissive about Shiny's case on us, but there isn't anything to find and M doesn't care about me because I don't fall for bullshit pushes, but here's me doing my best:

NACHO, YOU SCUM FUCK WHERE HAVE YOU BEEN LEAVING ME OUT IN THE DARK LIKE THIS

Because I've been busy, probably.
I might also be leaving you out in the dark because you're doing my work for me? Thank you for making Brian incredibly obvious town, I appreciate it.
Why do you think I am most likely to leave you out in the dark when I am scum?

Nope, you been reading the past two posts? That should clue you in to why I'm voting you.

I don't care if Nacho spams the thread, he's not the reason I'm voting.

~M~

Because your other two heads are leaning town on this slot because Sakura hasn't been scummy but you wanted to be special? Because you're trying to build a case on Sakura after she breaks from pressure? I actually don't know why the fuck you're voting us; you shouldn't bother "interrogating" us as town before you have anything significant against our slot or else I'll dance around your pressure like a fucking ballerina, you shouldn't bother trying to mislynch our slot because we will not be lynched this game unless everyone decides it's town lynching day. Best course of action is sorting us, working together with our reads and all of that good stuff. This line of inquiry will get you nowhere.

Wrong, actually.

Why the auto-discred rather than ask what was bugging me?

Probably because your current line of questioning isn't good? There's no reason why Sakura needs to be the compliant sweet understanding townie every time you go attacking on a non-existent case. Why haven't you asked me why this slot is voting Cabd? Because you're scum and because you're afraid? No, because if we continue to vote cabd while better alternatives stare us in the face you're going to attack the shit out of us. Sakura might not necessarily be having the same thought process, but there's no reason why she needs to ask "oh dear what have I done wrong this game?".

Why so offtopic?

~M~

This is probably the shittiest question in the entire game. I know you were trying to keep her on track or whatever, but seriously, what did you expect her to respond with? "I told GiF that I got pagetop so he knew that my pagetop activated scumkill was verified"??? Did you expect asking her why she was being offtopic as scum would make her so nervous to the point where she would be more likely to slip?

You're doing anything and everything possible to avoid engaging with me, why is that?

~M~

Except actually avoid engaging with you, as I pointed out earlier. Maybe try asking real questions instead of assuming she's scum and then moving forward from there?

so i think its lucky and sakura - sakura's read on lucky is super fake and lucky has gotten pretty scummy in his last posts.
if not both, then just sakura.

R~

sakura's read on lucky is fake and lucky is behaving on scum so if both of them aren't scum it's probably just sakura.
What happened to your thought process here?

[Mononoke]

I guess I could insult M's mother but I'm not really in the mood for that right now I guess.

[Mononoke]

VA, if you think Guyett is a liability to town and a policy lynch, then why did you call him scum? Why the hell are you trying to push a policy lynch?
Bert, why are you voting Lucky?

[Mononoke]

brb posting reads in the QT but none for mara because M head bullied too much!

[Mononoke]

sakura's read on lucky is fake and lucky is behaving on scum so if both of them aren't scum it's probably just sakura.
What happened to your thought process here?

when someone townreads a scummy person with a fake reason, they're either partners, or the person with the fake reasoning is WKing the scummy person cos they know it's town.

R~

Why do you think Sakura's read is fake?

why?
what are the rest of your reads?
all you're doing is trying to dismiss M's attack on Sakura
that's not like you, you're not scumhunting

Let me deal with Cabd.
You, Brian, Guyett, Lucky are all probably town. I thought Bert was town once upon a time, but I'm revisiting that read now.
I am dismissing your slot's attack on my slot. Do you have a rebuttal?
I'm not done posting, so hold off on the "no scumhunting" accusation for a little while.

[Mononoke]

beastcharizard seems pretty town still but he shows up in all the wrong places so I have to constantly reread his ISO.

[Mononoke]

because this just.. sounds fake. how the fuck does a "i wont be found so easily next time" induce paranoia for the next game? its just an excuse.

I dunno, paranoia is usually pretty irrational. There's also the whole instance of she has a completely valid reason to call her scumbuddy town but instead calls him null because paranoia? Why?

also, why do you have lucky as town?

Feels like Town-Lucky. I also think that his reaction to M trying to get him to take a position of your slot/my slot was pretty town, and Brian Skies doesn't look like an easy wagon anymore even though he was earlier.

[Mononoke]

when someone townreads a scummy person with a fake reason

I'm townreading a scummy person? Since when?

~Sakura Hana

[Mononoke]

you said lucky was null because you were paranoid. that means that you otherwise find him town.

What number am I thinking on my head right now?

~Sakura Hana

[Mononoke]

Oh wait, you can't read my mind. My bad

~Sakura Hana

[Mononoke]

because lucky was scummy and calling him town would be suspicious. so adding in a "but im paranoid" helps with that.

OK. Now why would she do what she did if Lucky was town? Posturing for his eventual lynch, I suppose?

[Mononoke]

If you haven't read Rarefaction i suggest you do. Due to the same paranoia I managed to form a Lucky-scum case and he flipped town, why do you think im being paranoid of him here.
And Mara could easily tell you about Matrix 6.

~Sakura Hana

[Mononoke]

<<<bored of Sakura read on Lucky discussion.
What else you got, R?

[Mononoke]

damn it! who let the mod get the top of the page?

[Mononoke]

dont see why she cant fake such stuff

AtP much?

Why are you so insistent on my paranoia? At this rate all you're going to do is making me not want to play with Lucky or Saki so I don't have players I'm paranoid of in the playerlist, at least with the hydra nacho can sort out Lucky for me.

~Sakura Hana

[Mononoke]

It'll move faster if I join in. Whats the deal with the cabd vote? I just don't see it... certainly not as scummiset

Who is the scummiest?

<<<bored of Sakura read on Lucky discussion.
What else you got, R?

how about you tell me what you got on cabd instead
you said you're not done scumhunting, but i still dont see scumhunting

R~

I have my heart and soul on Cabd. Is there a reason I should be unvoting him?

[Mononoke]

I think VA is scum. But I also know VA usually has a tendency to play like this so I'd like to sort out the rest of the playerlist first. Cabd also had an early townread on VA for no clear reason, doesn't tend to bus buddies when he doesn't have to, suspicious connection already. But then there's Bert who just needs to be town to me and we can speed this rodeo along because VA/Cabd scumteam. I don't really need to vote him for that to happen; he knows what I expect out of him.

[Mononoke]

so you dont have anything on him, you just dont find it useful to unvote him. say so instead of "im not done posting" next time.
still no scumhunting.

R~

And here I thought "scumhunting" is what we've been doing the past couple of pages. My sorting process doesn't need a reads list in order to be transparent.

[Mononoke]

i dont agree. since cabd did not give a full list of reads anyway, he would avoid giving a read on his buddy if he's scum. that townread is actually the opposite of a connection.

R~

Really? Is this based on your experience on cabd or is just a theory based on what you think scum would do?

[Mononoke]

So amidst all of that I'm really interested in knowing your reads Lucky, and how have you come to each of them.

~Sakura Hana

[Mononoke]

I'd figure I'd try to sort you out on my own, otherwise I'm never going to sort out paranoias with other players

~Sakura Hana

[Mononoke]

all i know is that this is not a "suspicious connection" in any way, which makes me think you're just forcing conclusions.

R~

And what makes you think I'm forcing conclusions? Is it because of how actively I've been pushing this Cabd-VA scumteam?

[Mononoke]

its none of your business.

R~

Why refuse to answer? I doubt Lucky-scum has some super awesome plan to exploit your hydra when you answer how each head views him.

[Mononoke]

I find it weird, yes. Damaging, no.

[Mononoke]

It looks to me like he wants to find hydra dissonance but that's a bit stretching, I'm still waiting for his reads list.

~Sakura Hana

[Mononoke]

Sakura already answered it.

[Mononoke]

Why arent you giving me your reads list with your reasonings? In fact you've completely ignored my request as you never even said "I dont give readlists" or anything similar like most other people do

~Sakura Hana

[Mononoke]

Yes

So amidst all of that

I'm really interested in knowing your reads Lucky, and how have you come to each of them.

~Sakura Hana

~Sakura Hana

[Mononoke]

I just finished a game where Guyett was scum with me and he sat back and appeared mostly if he was Beetle juiced or if he sensed It was safe. His appearance to dip his toe into the waters while shiny rounds on me seems like this behavior again.

This is quite interesting considering I've had a game with scum guyett before (I was town) and he did the exact opposite.

~Sakura Hana

[Mononoke]

This is the game for the record: http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 5#p5225285

Do you think his play in there is similar or different than here and the game you mention?

~Sakura Hana

[Mononoke]

Hey R, Bert said he's paranoid of me, and you think I'm scummy, is he a 3rd scum?

~Sakura Hana

On another note, I can understand your paranoia on me Bert <3

[Mononoke]

mean to Cabd

Where?

[Mononoke]

I don't remember you being so forthright with your reads in Scumhunter's Speed, especially at this juncture.... what gives?

He was asked for them.

[Mononoke]

Many people asked me that question, you can do better than that.

[Mononoke]

but in your scumgame you had me as TOWN in an instant...

If by this you mean I knew you were town, then yes. But seeing you perform while already knowing your alignment helped

~Sakura Hana

[Mononoke]

I bet you'd blast me if I voted CABD

I didn't blast lucky, why would I blast you?

Nacho is a limp lurksack

A limp lurksack with plenty of posts and plenty of content. Hmmm.

It breaks my heart to hear you say that. You didn't read me that quickly in 1481, or even 514 Masons Monks, but in your scumgame you had me as TOWN in an instant...

EW

You don't think hydraing with me has anything to do with it?

[Mononoke]

Nacho, if I promise to leave both of you alone and get the other two to do the same will you work with us?

I want you to pull your weight and give me that warm cuddly feeling I get when I feel like you are town and not like slave who does all the work for you

Your heads don't have to leave us alone; the pressure is good practice for Sakura and I'm having fun stomp thwomping ~M~. We will pull our weight, of course, but when the suspected scumteam are a couple of lurkfucks, well.

[Mononoke]

lol. What amuses me is that you think this entire "attack" was me trying to get you guys lynched. Not really. I read Sakura better than I read you. Therefore, by pressuring SAKURA AND NOT NACHO I can get a better feeling. Did I realize I went to far down tunnel-lane in retrospect? Yep. But I looooooooooooooooooooooooooooooove the OMGUS attack from you Nacho.

I'm pointing out that your attack is bad, not that it's trying to get us lynched. I figured you could read Sakura better, and told her as much. I also don't know what debunking your attacks against us has to do with OMGUS?

This was directed to Lucky, nice try though.

Odd place to put a question to Lucky, considering he hadn't posted in a little while and you were still mid-tunnel.

I don't really care if they read Sakura is obvtown or obvscum, but I'm reading it how I read it. Passing it off as "WELL BECAUSE THEY THOUGHT SHE WAS TOWN YOU HAD TO BE DIFFERENT" is probably the worst response I've heard in a while. Not to mention, by saying "YOU WONT CATCH ME IN THAT BULLSHIT PUSH" in the middle of a giant post about it? Nice job there.

"You had to be different" was a joke, but I guess you don't appreciate my sense of humor. No clue what the second paraphrased line refers to; maybe try quoting?

[Mononoke]

I'm listening...

Vote Cabd and have my undying devotion is what I'm trying to say.

Psshhhhh. Content does NOT equal town, nor does post count. Plus, Sakura is doing her fair share of posting, busser

It does equal not lurker, though.

Why did you bother pointing out the attack being bad if you figured that I was just trying to read her?

Sakura felt frustrated by the attack and felt guilty for getting us under pressure. I decided pointing out your bad attack would show that not every attack is a strong one.

"Attacks against us" Against Sakura.

Still my slot. If you expect I'll leave my hydra partner out to dry then you don't know how I play hydras.

What makes you assume I still am scumreading you guys instead of just enjoying an argument?

I forget where I assumed that. I might just be enjoying the argument

I agree it was an odd question, but he seemed very stir the pot without actually doing shit.

Sure. I find this happens a lot when people are taking shots in the dark.

[Mononoke]

Eh yeah... He is avoiding this game despite being active in other ones is bad but inactivity from him is not a scum tell.
What I find worse is him giving Viera a town read on 271... look at Viera's posts up to there!!!

Lucky can wait until tomorrow. Viera has done NOTHING protown at all
31 flavour claim for the lolz
32 hydra head hunting is not relevant
39, 51, 54 and 56 all fluff
255 buddying lucky, not reason for vote at all.
267 and 269 requesting policy lynches for the laugh on day 1 is so super scummy

VOTE: Viera

HOW DOES THAT LOOK PRO TOWN!!!

I liked this post a lot.

VOTE: Shiny

Why vote Shiny?

[Mononoke]

Hey Nacho, what do you think of the first person cabd ISOing (and buddying) being the biggest pusher of his lynch?

Me ignoring it showed I didn't like it that much.

[Mononoke]

This is supertown because no way in hell nacho wouldn't fill sakura in on a vote plan on me if they were scum.

And if we were scum would I reveal nacho's plan?

~Sakura Hana

[Mononoke]

Would be nice if you used [post] tags

~Sakura Hana

[Mononoke]

Cabd why are you making us read your walls, they are so painful.

i wanna gauge my eyeballs out with all of this subpar shit being thrown at me at the moment

[Mononoke]

I'm scumreading NachoHana so I can argue with nacho more

~M~

Never took my dancing shoes off.

[Mononoke]

It's a little disheartening to have to read Cabd's post explaining how terribly I've been playing so far. I know I deserve it though, so I'm forcing myself to use it as a learning experience.

@Bert: The BeastCharizard slot has been bothering me all game. On one side, I feel like it's scum. But on the other side, I feel like I'm missing something really important and I'm reading it wrong. IT'S DRIVING ME MAD!!!

it's very very very town.
and recognizing when you deserve pressure is cool and all but there's a point where you get over that hump and don't allow yourself to be attacked when you shouldn't be attacked anymore. this is one of those times.

[Mononoke]

Hey Cabd, when are you finishing with your catch up

~Sakura Hana

[Mononoke]

I got told my walls suck by your bitchy cheese-half and bert didn't like 'em either so fucks given to finish: 0
I'll just summarize reads later tonight.

waaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhh

[Mononoke]

well the bitchy cheese half is V/LA until Tuesday.

[Mononoke]

Nacho convinced me Guyett is town, I'd rather like for Cabd to do something or get rope.

~Sakura Hana

[Mononoke]

@Bert: How about you tell me what's your opinion on Lucky Bert?

~Sakura Hana

[Mononoke]

Nacho/Sakura, what do you think of Saki being a D1 lynch? Would you consider that?

Saki's town, never lynch him

~Sakura Hana

[Mononoke]

Although Nacho will probably disagree with me

~Sakura Hana