Newbie 1433 - Game Over

[Skelda]

Hello, all! Can't wait to play with you!

I'm Skelda, this is my third game on this site and second Newbie, so I have a little more experience than I did the first go around. I also don't see the point in the random vote stage, so instead I want to ask you Newbies what prior Mafia experience you all have. I have played a bit casually on another forum, a few games here, and a little in real life, so that is nice. Let's have a nice game.

[Skelda]

Actually, there is a little to go on here!

VOTE: SatanHellYeah because of that "just in case vote" and the quick unvoting. I dislike that, since "randomly" voting a scumpartner and then quickly Unvoting because of a lame excuse seems like something Newb scum might do, to me. Plus if that vote isn't random, I feel it needed more of an explanation.

[Skelda]

Wow. It's a bit strange to see mafia reveal themselves so early...

Hey all, I'm your IC. I'm here to help answer questions and show you how the game is

meant

to be played.

vote Satan

Keep an eye on how many votes a person has before voting them. You DON'T want to accidentally hammer (lynch) someone.

You think Satan is definitely scum? I'm not completely positive...

[Skelda]

Well, I must say you all are getting quite carried away.

Voting and quick unvoting. I voted him because he voted me, and unvoted for the same reason.

Skelda, the point is to get scum lynched. You don't want to lynch a townie.

...or maybe you

do

?

Voting for someone we find scummy isn't getting carried away. And I know the point is to lynch scum, why should we assume you are town?

As for the rest of you, what are your reads so far?

[Skelda]

Well, it is plain Satan is new and some of his interpretations of players leave much to be desred, like deciding people who haven't posted are auto-town. He's still super scummy, and I don't think I'm convinced, but I don't like the idea of a quick Day One either.

[Skelda]

2Pac, that is mad. Do not do that the whole game, please. It is already annoying.

I don't understand the votes on me. What exactly have I done? I've checked my own IS and still don't see it.

[Skelda]

Crap.... busted...

That was actually a reaction test. There is no solid foolproof tell for finding scum. I wanted HIM to think there was though, so I could gauge his reactions. Sometimes you have to bring people out of their comfort zone to see how they act under pressure. Once you've seen a few of these reaction tests, you will start to realize the intent behind them. Reaction tests are an excellentaddition to any scumhunting repertoire.

I buy that. I'm thinking a Ranawey-Satan scumteam right now, but Ranawey may just be Satan's buddy victim, I'm not sure.

[Skelda]

I don't see my vote moving off 2Pac or me contributing much until he cuts out his shtick. I'm here to play mafia, not read bad rap parodies.

The thing is, though it is stupid, do you really think it is scummy? I mean, he clearly thought of this method of posting before, based on his username. I find his posting style annoying, but not necessarily scummy.

[Skelda]

I don't see my vote moving off 2Pac or me contributing much until he cuts out his shtick. I'm here to play mafia, not read bad rap parodies.

The thing is, though it is stupid, do you really think it is scummy? I mean, he clearly thought of this method of posting before, based on his username. I find his posting style annoying, but not necessarily scummy.

Twee posting styles like that are a good cover for scum, it makes you harder to read, which is something scum wants and town doesn't. But honestly I don't really care about that, I'm just not willing to deal with it. We're here to win, but we're also here to have fun, and having doggerel verse shoved down my throat is not my idea of fun.

I agree, there is no way he can it all game. But, I'd prefer to lynch someone scummish to someone annoying.

[Skelda]

I don't see my vote moving off 2Pac or me contributing much until he cuts out his shtick. I'm here to play mafia, not read bad rap parodies.

The thing is, though it is stupid, do you really think it is scummy? I mean, he clearly thought of this method of posting before, based on his username. I find his posting style annoying, but not necessarily scummy.

Twee posting styles like that are a good cover for scum, it makes you harder to read, which is something scum wants and town doesn't. But honestly I don't really care about that, I'm just not willing to deal with it. We're here to win, but we're also here to have fun, and having doggerel verse shoved down my throat is not my idea of fun.

I agree, there is no way he can it all game. But, I'd prefer to lynch someone scummish to someone annoying.

When do you expect him to stop?

When we ask him nicely? I don't know how reasonable he is, but I'm sure we can teach him that this isn't a roleplaying site.

[Skelda]

I'm kind of wondering about archaebob to be honest. That whole wall of theory added nothing to this game that couldn't be found with a bit of research, and his "one chance to prove yourself" thing, even if it was supposed to be a reaction test, could have been him jumping on an IC with a read that was supposedly so certain. But of course, if that were the case Satan would be innocent, which I'm still not convinced of. My vote stays for now...

[Skelda]

I am not buying that Nomninull is scum just yet. His voting for 2Pac is bad, for sure, but 2Pac is annoying, so I don't know that I blame him. At the same time, I'm not settling for a 2Pac lynch just yet.

Seriously, though, 2Pac, though, if you think this game is a joke and aren't at all serious, you won't enjoy this game or site much. Just a warning...

[Skelda]

2Pac, stop it. Stop being a Shakespearean gangster or whatever that is supposed to be. I can't read you because of your unnatural speech, and that unnerves me.

And Nomni, it needs to b on a new line.

[Skelda]

Nomni, other than 2Pac, what are your reads? I'm reading you as stubborn town, but I don't want you to get caught up in tunneling 2Pac. Who do you think 2Pac's partner is?

[Skelda]

2Pac is not helpful! His posting style is pointless, makes it difficult to read him, and makes it difficult to figure out his posts. Maybe a 2Pac-Archie scumteam?

VOTE: Archaebob. I don't know why you are deciding that a newbie employing a strategy that hurts the town and distracts players is helpful, but it isn't and 2Pac should stop.

[Skelda]

@Skelda
WHUT are you YEEEEAAAAHHHH confused about OHHHHHKKKKKAY?
*cough* I'll certainly be glad to explain anything I've posted home slice, especially my most simple question that I hath posed to you

Caint understand why you won't
Tell the world why you refuse to vote
No I just caint understand why you won't
Tell the world why you refuse to vote, goat

I did just vote, and my vote was on Satan before that. And don't pretend that wasn't to me, you put goat in the rhyme. I don't even think you read this thread very thoroughly, which is kind of scummish, even though Bob is still my top read.

I'm not confused about your posts, it is just annoying trying to figure out what you are trying to say when you post in that manner since it includes so much fluff.

[Skelda]

How funny, it suddenly started to work. Anyways, I'm on a trip, will try to catch up, but excuse me if I'm not able to.

I'm not accusing you, but it isn't like there is that much to catch up on. So, even if you are busy, I don't see why you should excuse you if in the time it took to write this post you could have read the page and be all caught up.

[Skelda]

1. How much mafia have you played on site? offsite?
Onsite, I've played through one Newbie, I am currently playing in an Open, and this game. Offsite, I've played a fair amount, though it is much more casual than this site. I've also played a bit in real life.

2. How much mafia have you played in meatworld?
I have never played in meatworld.

3. Have you read any onsite games for fun?
A couple. I don't always finish them, though. Sometimes I get fed up with the poor play halfway through and just check the end to find out who the scum are. I did read quite a few before my first game here, however.

4. What is your favorite color?
Orange.

And I totally agree with you about Archie. I especially don't like him pushing early lynches and opportunistically jumping the IC's "confirmed scum" read, as well as posting a lot of theory that has little relevance to the game.

[Skelda]

1 I've also played a bit in real life.

2. How much mafia have you played in meatworld?
I have never played in meatworld.

If you are unfamiliar with a term, ask and someone will define it for you. This is a learning game, after all.

Oh gosh! I've seriously never heard anyone use that, so I assumed it was a website. Oh well! I should have just looked up, but was on my phone so it was a pain.

[Skelda]

Sthar, I really like that. Had you actually lynched him, I would have been outraged, but as it stands I think it reveals a lot about how quick to accuse some people are. At least one of the people who immediately voted for you is probably scum.

And the people going after Nomninull want an easy lynch. I'm reading him as stubborn town, and I don't want a lynch wasted on him when there are better candidates whose lynches will tell us more. Nomni, can you just give them reads to get them off of your back? Right now, if you are town, you had beter make an effort and not just let them waste today on you.

[Skelda]

I am reading Runaway as a townie. He has not done anything remotely scummy and all his post reads town. I going out on a limb and say Run is townie.


@ sthar.... huh......in post 163 you say you depise reaction tests than go on to say that your whole double vote was a reaction test on Bob. You just seem like a player trying to wiggle out very scummy behavior. Like I said you are really pinging my scumdar.

VOTE: TheFuzzyLogic99, because that logic is, well, fuzzy. Fuzzy-Bob scumteam maybe?

[Skelda]

We don't want an easy lynch, Skelda, we want a correct lynch, and he's the scummiest to me right now. Why do you think we want an 'easy lynch'?

I feel like scum are convincing well-meaning townies to vote Nomni because he is being stubborn and trying to get rid of a behavior that is detrimental to the town's win. He has by no means great play, but there is a difference between disliking something and using your vote and persistence to make it stop, and scumminess. You guys need to see that.

And yes, because of his behavior and the town we have, getting Nomni lynched wouldn't be hard, especially with no one but me willing to defend him. I don't care about 2Pac, and I don't care about Nomni. Right now, I am convinced that they both are town. It is the people pushing Nomni who are scummy to me.

P-Edit: Fuzzy, that was obviously a gambit, no scum motive is there for sthar to do such a thing as she knew it could get her votes. That is why I am voting for you.

[Skelda]

Nomni, please don't do that. You need to get your priorities straight. This is about winning, not proving a point. 2Pac has't even posted in a while, with any luck he will be replaced and we can move on. In the meantime, take the highroad, post your reads, and play to your wincon.

[Skelda]

@ Skelda

You make a good point about his action .I am not sure yet.I need time to think it over a bit. I think maybe i was being a bit hard headed. Also I said that thought that the Nom wagon semed to be easy wagon so you were not the only defending him.

Skelda_ who do you deserves lynching .

The possibilities I see are...
Fuzzy-Bob
2Pac-Ranawey
Ranawey-Fuzzy
Fuzzy-2Pac

I am thinking 2Pac is town, but the arbitrary defending of him got him on the list. Those are the four that jump out at me, I'll go through all the combinations that are likely in a bit.

[Skelda]

Nomninull, stop now. That isn't behaviors at all, and is just making it easier to lynch you. You may think you are helping, but 2Pac isn't even around, and I refuse to lynch him just to shut you up. I know think you are being noble and doing what you must, but if anything you are taking the heat OFF of 2Pac. Unless...

What about a 2Pac-Nomni scumteam? Could that be possible?

[Skelda]

If we were to lynch Nomni or 2Pac and they flip scum, that'll be very interesting. But I'd rather fuzzy or Bob die today.

[Skelda]

That is mad. I refuse to decipher that.

You are working my last nerve. Why do you feel the need to punish the whole town for one player's behavior?

[Skelda]

So, town, who of archiebob and fuzzylogic would you rather see die today? I think I'd prefer fuzzy, but I'd settle for archie too. But no one other than them is dying today.

Actually, the way archie jumped on fuzzy could be majorly opportunistic scum, since he seemed so convinced of fuzzy's innocence until he started getting votes. Thoughts?

[Skelda]

The way I see it is that I am getting wagoned for calling out something that would of been considered scummy in most other games. If i am wrong than please correct me. Saying that I welcome the presssure and the questions. If we are to catch theses scum we need to put pressure on scummy behavior. I did nothing wrong in my opinion. I just think that my scum hunting and pressuring were mistook as scummy behavior.
Since we do not know who is scum and who is town than I think we need to pressure people and call players out for scummy action so we csn ferret out the truth.

You don't see your own scumminess at all? It is hypocritical to ask us to put pressure on scummy behavior and get upset at the town for putting pressure on you. And if you can't see what you did wrong, that is your first problem.

[Skelda]

Well, that is mad. I was trying to see if anyone was directly opposed, other than archie and fuzzy, to the reality of a lynch on one of them. And it looks like I found two.

And Archie, I may have mixed up you and Ranawey. Were you not the one defending Fuzzy earlier? If not, sorry.

How quick the bunch of you are to jump on people is maddening. Can't you make reads and stick to them? Also, just realized I wasn't voting for fuzzy, I must have screwed it earlier. Well, I'm not putting him at L-1 just yet...

P-Edit: Fuzzy, I'm not skimming, I didn't realize you were talking about pressure directed at you, I thought it was just in general.

[Skelda]

Also, I find it quite funny how he ignored me right after I made such a serious accusation against him.

Are you talking about me? Stepping away for a second is scummy? Since when?

[Skelda]

Fuzzy is L-3 right now.

VOTE: Fuzzylogic

[Skelda]

Also, I find it quite funny how he ignored me right after I made such a serious accusation against him.

Are you talking about me? Stepping away for a second is scummy? Since when?

Oh, but when did I say it was scummy?
What the fuck, my man! That was just a comment, because I am bored and I have nothing else to do.

But, hey, I can't blame you for getting paranoid...but that just made you scummy as hell. And I know what hell is about.

I assumed that by hilarious you meant scummy, since you had just accused me. I am not getting paranoid, you are being ridiculous.

[Skelda]

@archie
I am sure you would love Skelda's last post. Do you see the difference between that damn goat and me?

When I said you surely had noticed, without saying what, I thought you really had read it. You never were really scummy to my eyes.

Oh, is that so? Never really scummy, yet you accused him. How does that work?

Pushed you a bit, but my main target is, as always have been since I made my first reads, Skelda.

Then why did you ever vote for anyone else if I was always your main suspect?

For things like that. He accused me, Ranawey, 2pac, Fuzzy and you Bob of being Scum.

It is good to accuse people, reveals their true colors. But, I've repeatedly said that I was reading 2Pac as town, and was leaning town on you and Ranawey.

That's 5/9 scummy people.

So what?

In the other hand, he does not want to lynch Nominull, and claims to be the only one defending him. A bit too heroic.

You were all voting Nomni for what is clearly just him being a bad player, not scum. For a while, he seriously could die, and I was not willing to settle for that.

And now he states this: No one is getting lynched, but Archie and Fuzzy.

I wanted to see if any of those voting them weren't in it when their lynch became more likely.

Well done, motherfucker, you have won my vote.

And you called me mean...

VOTE: Skelda

[Skelda]

@archie
I am sure you would love Skelda's last post. Do you see the difference between that damn goat and me?

When I said you surely had noticed, without saying what, I thought you really had read it. You never were really scummy to my eyes.

Oh, is that so? Never really scummy, yet you accused him. How does that work?

As you can see, I explain it right now

Pushed you a bit, but my main target is, as always have been since I made my first reads, Skelda.

Then why did you ever vote for anyone else if I was always your main suspect?

To get you thinking I had forgotten about you

For things like that. He accused me, Ranawey, 2pac, Fuzzy and you Bob of being Scum.

It is good to accuse people, reveals their true colors. But, I've repeatedly said that I was reading 2Pac as town, and was leaning town on you and Ranawey.

True, and that's why your accusations were shitty as hell

That's 5/9 scummy people.

So what?

So you basically tagged as scummy more than a half the players in this game

In the other hand, he does not want to lynch Nominull, and claims to be the only one defending him. A bit too heroic.

You were all voting Nomni for what is clearly just him being a bad player, not scum. For a while, he seriously could die, and I was not willing to settle for that.

No He wasn't, at least I didn't think we could lynch him for that. And, as Ranawey said, everyone much defend him/her/itself

And now he states this: No one is getting lynched, but Archie and Fuzzy.

I wanted to see if any of those voting them weren't in it when their lynch became more likely.

I don't buy that

Well done, motherfucker, you have won my vote.

And you called me mean...

I apologized for that

VOTE: Skelda

After all of this, I must say your reaction is giving me a total scum read from you. I don't know how are the others reading this, but if you really are town, you are getting in big trouble. The thing is, I don't think you are town at all.

And why is that? What about my reaction is scummy?

[Skelda]

Because your whole speech lacks security. Your notes in my post were easily rejected. For me, it's like you were desperately trying to convince...me? Oh, you can't convince me, not right now. Try to get some help from the pros or something...because after reading all of this, you can't make me think you are not scum.

You are really not clever. Clearly you haven't suspected me the whole game, and your whole case against me just makes no sense to me. Humor me and respond to my notes, will you?

And "lacks security"? What is that supposed to mean? I'm sorry, you need to be more specific and tell me exactly what makes you so sure about me.

[Skelda]

@archie
I am sure you would love Skelda's last post. Do you see the difference between that damn goat and me?

When I said you surely had noticed, without saying what, I thought you really had read it. You never were really scummy to my eyes.

Oh, is that so? Never really scummy, yet you accused him. How does that work?

As you can see, I explain it right now

Pushed you a bit, but my main target is, as always have been since I made my first reads, Skelda.

Then why did you ever vote for anyone else if I was always your main suspect?

To get you thinking I had forgotten about you

For things like that. He accused me, Ranawey, 2pac, Fuzzy and you Bob of being Scum.

It is good to accuse people, reveals their true colors. But, I've repeatedly said that I was reading 2Pac as town, and was leaning town on you and Ranawey.

True, and that's why your accusations were shitty as hell

That's 5/9 scummy people.

So what?

So you basically tagged as scummy more than a half the players in this game

In the other hand, he does not want to lynch Nominull, and claims to be the only one defending him. A bit too heroic.

You were all voting Nomni for what is clearly just him being a bad player, not scum. For a while, he seriously could die, and I was not willing to settle for that.

No He wasn't, at least I didn't think we could lynch him for that. And, as Ranawey said, everyone much defend him/her/itself

And now he states this: No one is getting lynched, but Archie and Fuzzy.

I wanted to see if any of those voting them weren't in it when their lynch became more likely.

I don't buy that

Well done, motherfucker, you have won my vote.

And you called me mean...

I apologized for that

VOTE: Skelda

After all of this, I must say your reaction is giving me a total scum read from you. I don't know how are the others reading this, but if you really are town, you are getting in big trouble. The thing is, I don't think you are town at all.

And why is that? What about my reaction is scummy?

Look carefully, scumgoat. I have already responded your notes. I did not suspect on you? Well, I wouldn't say so. I expressed my very first scum feelings about you in the very start of the game because I was forced to give my gut reads. But that's just fantastic, if you think that. It means my plan worked, after all.

And it does lacks security. Where is you rational, cold speech? The one you used to show...you know. And don't tell me this is because of my attack. OF COURSE it is because of my attack. That's the point, huh?

Boy, if you are not scum...well, that would be a quite unexpected surprise. As well as nasty. But, I keep saying it. My HoS is on you.

I dislike the immense uncalled for suspicion towards me, and I'm defending myself now. That isn't scummy, but it does make sense that my tone would change because I'm in a different place now.

But, what I really want to know is, what have I done to make you so certain? I am town, so you are either delusional or scum. But I couldn't imagine being so certain about anything at this point.

And I didn't see your notes before, but they don't really change anything. They are all rubbish, especially the one about making me think I had forgotten about you. That isn't an effective strategy for catching scum, it just sounds like you realized there was no evidence against me, and so you waiting until you could get some, not giving any mind as to whether I was actually scum or not. And regardless, I still think you are a newbtown, and Fuzzy and Bob are scum, but you are really pushing my buttons.

[Skelda]

It's not because his hyper focus on 2Pac. It's because he's not playing to his win condition if town.

The thing about 2Pac and Nomni is that, even though they are both unhelpful, I think that just comes down to playstyle, honestly. I think, though, that if you are going to vote Nomni a 2Pac vote accomplishes the same thing. As far as I'm concerned, it is hypocritical to call one scum and the other not. They are both unhelpful, but not scummy, so a lynch against them not only tells us little information, but is based on policy and nothing more. Call it what it is, a policy lynch. Don't try to pass Nomni off as being a legitimate scumspect at this point.

And Satan, careful there. You are starting to tunnel, and that is never good, especially when you are me and see a misguided newbie tunneling on town. Or scum, but I'm still not convinced that is your place in this puzzle.

Also, 2Pac, I honestly didn't even fully read all of your posts. They are a mess, and I can't be bothered with them. As far as I'm concerned, you are dead weight until you drop that ridiculous gangster act, and so me ignoring you is not scummy. You and Nomni are two of the worst players I've ever played with, and expect to get dragged to the end because of that.

[Skelda]

Also, 2Pac, I honestly didn't even fully read all of your posts. They are a mess, and I can't be bothered with them. As far as I'm concerned, you are dead weight until you drop that ridiculous gangster act, and so me ignoring you is not scummy. You and Nomni are two of the worst players I've ever played with, and expect to get dragged to the end because of that.

How can you say this and not vote him? Do you really think it's safe to have people in the town whose posts you aren't even reading?

Some of his posts are more legible than others, but at the moment I don't think the town is going to go for a 2Pac lynch, so my vote is better served on scum.

Also, I'm still holding onto him replacing out if we just ignore him. Or stopping the gangster act...

[Skelda]

Alright, I'm here. I still think that the reg-fuzzy spots are scummy, to be honest. In other games, I've always felt that the arguments against me were logical, but in this game I thought they were just idiotic. Anyway, right now I have a scumread on fuzzy and reg, although the Reg reads were nice, and added a little more doubt in my mind about that spot, his vote on me does seem like jumping in already knowing I had a lot of votes and voting based on that. Anyway, at least one scum has to be voting for me or I'm fairly certain I would be lynched already, so keep that in mind if you kill me.

[Skelda]

@Skelda

Why would my spots be logical in another game but idiotic here. Sorry but your logic is not making any sense. This is not a parallel universe were the law of universe is changed. It feel like you do like the argument bc it is directed toward you. You also seem very defensive even though you only have two votes against you. Three with Refan vote on you which he took back. You just seem overly defensive and panicky. I dont know what to make of your scum pairings. They kind of seem like the flavor of the moment type thing. You also never explain the vote on me. Why you would not put me at l-1 even though you are sure I am scum.
I never even implied you were scum bc of that. I even gave you a chance to answer without putting any pressure on you. So one time. Please answer my simple question

I thought I was at L-1, sorry. And thanks for giving me a chance, that is nice. Maybe you aren't scum.

So, I am probably not the best Mafia player because I get caught up in moments. A lot of normal towntells don't work on me, because I am so wishy-washy and I don't always stick to my reads, even as town. And I mean, I see why that is easy to lynch.

Fuzzy seemed to just be going along with whatever was said, and archae played IC and contributed nothing and so I thought they were scum. I suspected Satan early on due to a few odd things, but changed my mind. But, the sad thing is, I think some people are really convinced that I mean this town harm because of the way I am.

But the point is, I'm not just going along with what "the town" says. I throw my vote around because that is how I play. At least I'm taking initiative and scum hunting. 2Pac is useless. Nomni is useless. This whole damn town is unreasonable, falling apart, and I got frustrated and probably overreacted, but I'm not ready to be lynched. I feel kind of stuck in a rut, and people just made up their minds that I was scum on no evidence.

Maybe that is what is bothering me. I felt like Satan and 2Pac's case against me was just unreasonable and there was nothing I could do to convince them otherwise. I hate that. Don't tell me not liking that is scummy because it isn't.

So I guess I'm the type to be cold and serious but make posts on a whim without thinking them through, and that makes people think I'm suspicious, which maybe I am.

And for the record, I never seriously saw 2Pac OR Nomni as scum. I just thought that 2Pac's defenders were suspicious, and so grouped him in.

Well, I'm re-reading this thread and I'm taking notes and if you'll hold off lynching me I'll post them. I am always on my mobile, so it is a pain to look back on thread, but I do want to see if I can clear my hewad, because you are all blending together and I am just confused.

[Skelda]

@archie

I am sure you would love Skelda's last post. Do you see the difference between that damn goat and me?

When I said you surely had noticed, without saying what, I thought you really had read it.

You never were really scummy to my eyes. Pushed you a bit, but my main target is, as always have been since I made my first reads, Skelda.

For things like that. He accused me, Ranawey, 2pac, Fuzzy and you Bob of being Scum.

@Skelda
So you basically have 4 players in your scumlist. That makes 6 combinations, but you have only mentioned four of them.
What about Bob-2pac, or Ranawey-Bob?
I don't think neither 2pac or Ranawey are scum. Fuzzy is right now under pressure, or he should be, so I'll wait until he gives some more info.

Bob is, for me, totally scummy.

So, I don't care. But I'd rather get Bob instead of Nominull.

I re-read the game from the start a couple of time, just to realize one thing: archie has been trying to get people lynched for a while. First it was me, with some kind of stupid explanation about me being nervous. The he voted Skelda, just after I did, because maybe he realized I was not getting lynched for now. Then, quickly, he switched his vote towards Nominull. But, the thing is that Nominull does not look scummy to me. He got annoyed by 2pac's sick rhymes, but hey, not everyone likes it. But, it's true I'll be glad to see his reads.
And archie just insists. Somehow, all of this makes me put my FoS on you @archie , and so, my vote.

unvote

VOTE: Archaebob

And, Mr_Ree, I dislike your early push on me. I can believe it was a RT, or I can choose to think that is a cover for an actually intended lynch. You and archie were the first ones to start the wagon. And when Skelda mentioned the doubts he had about archie, you quickly defended him, saying that "if he was mafia, he would have pushed for a Satan early lynch". I can't buy that.

Right now, I think you both are scum partners.

Now the above is what you call a scum slip. We're lynching Satan today. He went "Bob is really scummy, 'lists reasons he thinks Bob is scum", "We're lynching Bob today", "Bob is super scummy to me", "Bob man, I never thought you were scummy in my eyes".

Ha, you are right! VOTE: Satan That made everything much easier. I knew there was something off about him early on, but he had convinced that he was just a bad player for a bit.

[Skelda]

@archie

I am sure you would love Skelda's last post. Do you see the difference between that damn goat and me?

When I said you surely had noticed, without saying what, I thought you really had read it.

You never were really scummy to my eyes. Pushed you a bit, but my main target is, as always have been since I made my first reads, Skelda.

For things like that. He accused me, Ranawey, 2pac, Fuzzy and you Bob of being Scum.

@Skelda
So you basically have 4 players in your scumlist. That makes 6 combinations, but you have only mentioned four of them.
What about Bob-2pac, or Ranawey-Bob?
I don't think neither 2pac or Ranawey are scum. Fuzzy is right now under pressure, or he should be, so I'll wait until he gives some more info.

Bob is, for me, totally scummy.

So, I don't care. But I'd rather get Bob instead of Nominull.

I re-read the game from the start a couple of time, just to realize one thing: archie has been trying to get people lynched for a while. First it was me, with some kind of stupid explanation about me being nervous. The he voted Skelda, just after I did, because maybe he realized I was not getting lynched for now. Then, quickly, he switched his vote towards Nominull. But, the thing is that Nominull does not look scummy to me. He got annoyed by 2pac's sick rhymes, but hey, not everyone likes it. But, it's true I'll be glad to see his reads.
And archie just insists. Somehow, all of this makes me put my FoS on you @archie , and so, my vote.

unvote

VOTE: Archaebob

And, Mr_Ree, I dislike your early push on me. I can believe it was a RT, or I can choose to think that is a cover for an actually intended lynch. You and archie were the first ones to start the wagon. And when Skelda mentioned the doubts he had about archie, you quickly defended him, saying that "if he was mafia, he would have pushed for a Satan early lynch". I can't buy that.

Right now, I think you both are scum partners.

Now the above is what you call a scum slip. We're lynching Satan today. He went "Bob is really scummy, 'lists reasons he thinks Bob is scum", "We're lynching Bob today", "Bob is super scummy to me", "Bob man, I never thought you were scummy in my eyes".

Ha, you are right! VOTE: Satan That made everything much easier. I knew there was something off about him early on, but he had convinced that he was just a bad player for a bit.

[Skelda]

VOTE: Satan

New line.

[Skelda]

@ Skelda

...In post 285 you confirmed I was L-3. In post 282 you blatantly say you will not put me at l-1 at least not yet. Explain. Also sorry but what you say about me following people is not true. I went after Sthar when I thought he looked scummy , Nobody had said anything about the reaction test. I was on my own. I think I was wrong about it but I stood on my own on it

I didn't want you at L-1 because this is a newb game, and accidental quick lynches can happen. I wanted to avoid one, so I don't like people at L-1 until I am positive of their alignment.

[Skelda]

@Regfan
What up homie, lets get to stompin'

Yo reads be generally spot on an,
But that Wall-o-text ish, is kinda tough to gnaw on,
Space it out yo, just a tip,
I read your Satan case as newb rather than scum slip.

@Nominull
Get off deez nuts son. Post 304, post 306, post 316, post 348, post 359, post 370
All that ish screams tunneling scum.
Might want to start posting actual reads and comments mayne.
You know I won't quit, until you hang.
You won't even answer simple questions playa and you can't get off of deez.
You arn't a compromise lynch, you are the prime, scum please

Prod this.

VOTE: Nominull

I'm busting and making scum panic
Don't take your life for granted put that ish in the dirt

Why do you think it is newb? I think it is newb-scum.

[Skelda]

Also one thing I want to note before I forget, I really really don't think the interaction between Satan and Skelda are partners at all. The entire push and argument between each other heavily points against it. That means that if Satan flips scum which I'm pretty sure he will then Skelda is sadly town.

Why is that sad? Just sad you don't have both Day 1? I'm pretty sure the other scum will reveal themselves in time. Very well could be Ranawey... Or 2Pac, him voting Nomni now is idiotic.

[Skelda]

Nomni, it would not surprise me in the least if 2Pac and Satan were scum together. But, since in general most people seem more confident in a Satan lynch, why not just lynch him today? The thing is, I see other possible partners for Satan, and so knowing his allignment for sure is more helpful than knowing 2Pac's, plus Satan is all but confirmed while 2Pac is difficult to read due to his posting style.

[Skelda]

L-1!

Please state intent to hammer and give Satan one last chance to plead his case.

[Skelda]

Nomni, other than his playstyle, what makes 2Pac worthy of a lynch?

And if 2Pac is innocent, they are going to want to kill you, which would set us back so much. I'm just not convinced...

[Skelda]

2Pac, you are a bloody pain. Shut up and talk about the matter on hand.

[Skelda]

Yes, Satan, hit us with your best shot.

[Skelda]

This is ridiculous. We were so close to getting done with time to spare...

Ree, we are not lynching Null. All he has done is tunnel on 2Pac and be attacked and defended. Satan's flip is what we need right now. End of story. You just don't have the votes to kill Null.

[Skelda]

My God, we've got a day. Satan, a real claim please.

And if you really were pretending to not find me scummy, why? Scum can't be relied on to reveal themselves, if you really were focusing on me from the beginning why would you pretend not to? There is no town motive for being sneaky like that, but there is scum motive, since you were jumping on the next big wagon and are now claiming it was all a ploy.

I really want a lynch today, there was no lynch the first Day my last Newbie game and it hung over us. We need that flip badly. We need to hustle.

[Skelda]

Not sure if newb or scum playing dumb.

I think the latter, honestly.

[Skelda]

@Skelda
Do you realize that if Satan flips town you're fucked if you keep saying this things, eh?

Well, I don't think he's going to, but why me and not Reg? Shouldn't everyone who voted for him share the blame?

Whatever, I'll take it if I can get scum lynched.

[Skelda]

Since 2pac isn't happening, Why not join me on Skelda Nom? Since you aren't partners or anything...

Nom is on 2Pac. 2Pac was never going to happen, but he is making a point.

Really though, can't we just lynch Satan now? Even if it is a mislynch, that lynch is better than no lynch at all. Even my own lynch would be better than no lynch at all.

Honestly, I'm starting to look towards Ree, but that is a discussion for tomorrow if I'm still alive. In the meantime, someone must die, preferably Satan. I'd also vote 2Pac if the tide turns that way.

[Skelda]

Nomni, if we can get enough people to vote 2Pac, I will. I'd prefer Satan, but if he doesn't have the votes 2Pac is next best for me.

I'm not sure if the people on me agree, however, since 2Pac could potentially be Satan's partner, but the idea that he could be my partner is ridiculous. For me, he is a big question mark, he might just be a bad, bad townie, though.

[Skelda]

2Pac? Let's do it! VOTE: 2Pac

[Skelda]

VOTE: 2Pac

Sorry.

[Skelda]

I get my town read of 2pac from him contributing with his reads and not only lurking nor posting without content.

I know his rhymery makes him hard to read, and I know how stubborn he is, but I still read him as town.

But I am not placing my vote just now...

Alright, so if you think 2Pac is just stubborn, how in heck can Nomni, clearly more stubborn, be scum? That is illogical. And I don't see the great content you speak of from 2Pac, all of his play is just bad.

[Skelda]

Would you rather there be no lynch, Ree? And has 2Pac claimed?

[Skelda]

Sthar, who of 2Pac and Nomni would you rather die, since that is where we are at?

[Skelda]

Good god, are you serious?

I am a Vanilla Town. I seriously don't understand how you all are being so daft. It is obvious at least one of the people voting for me right now is scum, and Satanscum is getting excited that the mislynch he has pushed all game is finally coming to fruition. You lot have some mighty dumb town, sheepy town this game.

Right now, I'm thinking a combination of Ree, Satan, and 2Pac. So keep that in mind when I flip...

[Skelda]

I have skelda at l-2. Is that right bc Ran said he intended to hammer.

I have no idea. I thought I was at L-1 when he said intent to hammer.

[Skelda]

@Skelda
Excited about someone doing things right at once!

@Ran
Yeah, that's why he might have sent him. I didn't, for sure.

You are just happy sthar saved your butt.

[Skelda]

From what?

Losing his scumbuddy.

[Skelda]

He realized lynching Nom or 2pac was a waste, you scummy goat. If he saved someone's butt, it.was Nom's or 2pac's. And he is also intending to lynch you, my top scumread. How could I not be happy?

Well, then this will tell a lot about the accuracy of your reads.

[Skelda]

Not only mines, mister. If somehow you flip town, I can assure you it is going to be unexpected for most of us.

But I can hardly believe that's gonna happen.

Then you've got a shock coming.

[Skelda]

Not only mines, mister. If somehow you flip town, I can assure you it is going to be unexpected for most of us.

But I can hardly believe that's gonna happen.

Then you've got a shock coming.

[Skelda]

Whatever. Do not think you can grow doubts in me with that attitude.

Maybe you are just a stupid town...

Get rid of Ree and 2Pac for me, guys. Please don't lynch Nomni, I think he's town. Watch Reg, I have a few doubts in the back of my mind, don't let him get too comfortable. I think Fuzzy is town.

[Skelda]

Sthar8 is responsible for this lynch, but not sure you all should blame him. Ranawey is very opportunistic if he hammers me.

[Skelda]

Meh, it was something similar to sthar's rt.

Well that's good. Still down for 2Pac?

[Skelda]

Hooray! 2Pac is dying!

[Skelda]

Gah!

VOTE: SatanHellYeah. I am still convinced. And Nomni, give us your reads right now.

[Skelda]

Satan, posts like that with the "oh wait" are really starting to irk me.

But yes, 2Pac should have claimed. He was a failure. I think that my "gah" was enough to express that.

[Skelda]

Gah!

VOTE: SatanHellYeah. I am still convinced. And Nomni, give us your reads right now.

Why are you convinced Mr Satan is scum? I would like to hear your case against him in your next post. You dont have a leg to stand on here. he is so town its not even funny.

I still believe Reg's case against him from yesterday. Why is he so town? I don't see it.

[Skelda]

God, you are a jerk!

No, I won't vote Nom. I have a townread on him, I will not vote Nom. If that makes me lynch-worthy, so what? Unlike scum, getting lynched isn't a complete disaster, so you still have 2 more mislynches after today.

But, you would be a really terrible player if you tried to dictate the game like that. I'd seriously be more liable to see Reg as scum as Nom. Just voting me because I didn't agree with you would be stupid.

What if scum is someone like Ranawey, who is just watching us destroy each other and appeasing us? And what if whoever you lynch today flips town? Are you just going to go systematically destroying us? No, that won't happen. If I'm alive, I will not let that happen.

VOTE: Ranawey for the appeasement. We would have been idiots not to lynch 2Pac, and you aren't using that against us.

[Skelda]

The truth is you're opposing a 2Pac lynch because

I'm

leading it and you don't want me to be right.

Want to make a deal? We lynch 2Pac; he flips scum you sheep me for the rest of the game or if I die you lynch Satan and if that doesn't end the game then perhaps Skelda afterwards. If he flips town I'll vote whoever you want tomorrow. Do we have a deal?

I still don't believe it; I think you'd have claimed in your last post if you were the cop knowing that the lynch was between two people one being you.

Happy to wait to the flip and be vindicated or eat humble pie.

Now do you get the reasoning for the counterwagon? Scum had to work for that lynch. Both are on that wagon. Your ead on Nom is probably going to get you lynched if he flips scum.

Smarten up and listen to the nice private detective who plays the game for real.

I really don't like you, stop being so self-absorbed and obnoxious. I would love for you to not be on my team so I could beat you, but I think we are both town this time.

And honestly, if Nom flips scum I'll take the lynching or whatever I've got coming. I'll take that risk, but I don't think he's going to.

Nom, I would like reads, though.

[Skelda]

@Skelda- maybe Im being as dense as a rock but I dont understand how lynching 2pac was the right thing or the smart thing after we learned he flipped both as a townie and the cop. You say it would be stupid not to lynch him but I dont understand what your logic is after the way he flipped. Can you explain bc your logic is not making sense.

Look, no one else seems to want to take any responsibility for the lynch, but, at the time, he was the most scummy, and I still stamd by it, even after he flipped. If you want to blame me or find that scummy, fine. But I wasn't the only one who voted for 2Pac...

And Ranawey, to be frank, I'm the only one I trust. But if "desperate to lynch anybody not me" was true, then wouldn't I not have a scumbuddy to look after and therefore not be scum? I think you are desperate to OMGUS.

[Skelda]

Only one you trust but your vote for today is based on Reg's case? Are you Reg?

And your reasoning is quite bland.

I trust myself more than Reg, yes. But, whatever. You guys are really starting to grate at my nerves.

[Skelda]

That's a shocker isn't it?

I want Nom and Reg up here now!

[Skelda]

Skelda, Ree and Satan wanted your case on Satan, stop evading it.

The gist of it is that I think that there is a reason we didn't have the votes to get Satan yesterday but the 2Pac votes came easily. But anyway, I think the scum are people like Ran and Fuzzy who can just sit back and watch us destroy ourselves. They both were willing to go with 2Pac, and will probably go with me today, and then hop onto whoever we go after tomorrow.

[Skelda]

So now, I am not the scummy one, but Ran and Fuzzy are.

Plus you keep evading the request.

You definetely are scum. The only thing I wonder is who is your partner. And I think he is either Reg or Nom.

Evading what request?

I changed my mind, you guys should have known this from my vote. When I flip town, are you guys going to just lynch Nom or Reg and lose? Or will you take my advice and look at someone else?

[Skelda]

It's like you're disregarding everything written before Reg's cases. I went for 2Pac because I was convinced with that. We were going to get Satan but received some townreads from him. You were the scummiest to me before all this happened, and you only say that we gonna regret your lynch and shit like that.

You say I'm here watching how you guys 'destroy yourselves', but I'm here, answering your questions and taking part of the discussion. I'm not sure of the terminology, but it seems like you're trying to decredit me.

What are your townreads, Skelda?

Uggh, Reg and Nom still. You are taking part, but I mean, this game has basically been divided. It has turned into Satan and Ree vs Nomni, Reg, and me, with you and fuzzy floating somewhere in the middle. And I think Ree sounds genuine, and I have my doubts about Satan, but using PoE, Fuzzy and Ran are really the only ones left, and you guys were perfectly happy to jump on 2Pac and now are jumping on us.

So, here's the deal. We had our shot with 2Pac, lynch me or Nom or Reg today and then, when we flip town, look seriously at fuzzy or Ran. If you don't see the possibility in a scumteam that doesn't involve me, then lynch me. If you think Nom is involved, kill him. But, don't take a second shot at us once you denied us of that option.

And if Nom or Reg flip scum, you all have my permission to lynch me.

[Skelda]

I do have to agree with Reg here, these last days I've townread Nominull. It's a shame he's playing this bad, we got lucky he tunneled onto one of the highly likely scum.

I may have turned lazy about scumhunting since I agree with a lot of Reg said. I know I have to step it up, I feel like I did nothing these last days.

Since 2Pac is still L-2

unvote

VOTE: 2Pac

Anyways, I'm not liking Skelda's vibes.

Also, Reg, you said that Skelda was the one most likely to be scum and then you say he is not one of the most likely to be scum. How's that?

2Pac? Let's do it! VOTE: 2Pac

Do you see any differences? Because I see many.

That isn't exactly fair. I was going to change to 2Pac is people actually started voting for him, and I didn't think we had enough votes, so I got excited when I realized that we did.

[Skelda]

Well, I'm reading your ISO and you never imply that.

Look, at that point it was me, Nom (townread), or Satan (not enough votes). Of course I became excited when there were enough and we switched to 2Pac. Of course!

[Skelda]

Yes, 2Pac blood is on my hands too bc i am the one that hammered him... but unlike you I am sorry that I lynched him. You seem unrepentant, even happy for that lynch despite how how he flipped. This makes me suspicious of you. You seem like scum trying to justify why the 2Pac lynch was a good lynch.

The only reason I don't hammer or at least intend to hammer is I don't want to be manipulated into mislynching a townie like I did with 2Pac. So tell me why i should not put an intent to lynch on you.

Well, I'm town. But Fuzzy, I'm not playing that game. I am just a VT, my loss is no great burden for the town. And I'm not sorry, that is true. It is 2Pac's fault he was lynched, I'm not buying into this nonsense that I should somehow feel responsible.

I think Nom and Reg haven't even posted today, so nothing could be more idiotic than ending the Day now. We want to have a full picture for tomorrow when we are in LyLo, so killing me now wouldn't exactly be clever. But of course, you are all either too narrow-minded or stupid to see that.

And so I ask you again, what are you going to do when I flip town? Just say, oops, guess Nom and Reg are guilty? Or are you going to look elsewhere, like you did with 2Pac? Something tells me you are all too hypocritical to do anything differently, you'll probably kill Nom after me and then the scum will win. And, maybe that is what you get, but until Reg and Nom have gotten here and you have had a full, productive Day, I refuse to let you lynch me.

[Skelda]

Here is what is going to happen.

Right now, the scum are targeting Reg because he can't defend himself. Today, we will probably lynch myself, Nom, or Reg. The person you lynch will flip town. And then, tomorrow, you will say, "Oh, the scum tricked him! Get the other two!" And scum will win. And then it will be a perfect scum victory.

Satan just admitted this. He said that if Reg or Nom flip town, he will be pushing all the more for me tomorrow, and that the only way he will even consider me being townwould be if Reg or Nom flipped scum. That is mad. If Reg or Nom flipped town, my odds of being town would go up considerably, not down. Likewise, if Reg or Nom flip scum, I would expect to be lynched. Satan may be town, but he is setting up his lynches and thinks he has this game figured out, but he doesn't.

So, here's the deal. Today, you will lynch either me, Reg, or Nom. According to you, 2/3 of us are scum, take your best shot. And, if you can hit scum, great, you've won the game. But I am taking none of that, "The one who died was the only innocent." Nope. Nom, Reg and me. Two out of three. You need a scum flip today, or you are going to have to reexamine yourselves.

[Skelda]

I mean, if I assume Ree is scum with Fuzzy, that would imply:
a)Skelda is town(Which I am reluctant to accept)
b)Ree is scum(And, as I told you, I have a town read on him)
c)Fuzzy is scum(Which could be...but I am honestly not really convinced about it)
d)You and Reg are clean. (And I think at least one of you is scum with Skelda)

The "evidence" is not that strong to make me change my mind in such a radical way.

Ninjaedit: Not lynching your townreads, even with reasonable arguments in your favor, is worst that lynching against your will? Hm. I'll think about it.

And how could a no-lynch would have been better? I don't really get your logic. Scum didn't know he was the cop, so?
Sorry, but sometimes I just get silly and I don't get some things.

Well, then, the problem here is that you haven't formed good reads and have clouded judgement.

Satan, if I were to flip town, who would you go after next?

[Skelda]

Also i dont know about anybody else for sure but I just feel like Reg is scum beyond a resonable doubt. i am still waiting on either Reg showing up to defend himself or someone to make a case for Reg being a townie. Once he flips scum we can figure out who his scum buddy is.....

Same question for you. If Reg flips town, who are you going after next?

[Skelda]

I think I might have got it, but...

You mean that if Fuzzy hadn't hammered him, it would've been better for scum because they would know who the cop was.
But the thing is 2pac claimed when he was sentenced. I don't think he would have claimed.

But f Ree was scum, what kind of benefit is to have a living townie over having him killed? How could he possibly risk such a good myslynch, putting all the responsibility in Fuzzy's hands?

I keep thinking that Ree being scum would imply Fuzz being scum. And right now I can't accept such theory.

If the town no-lynches, the scum get a free kill and the town has to go to the next day without any real new information. The lynch of a townie, on the other hand, provides lots of information. Mr. Ree will back me up on this, it's better for the town to lynch a townie Day 1 than to no-lynch.

The fact that 2Pac was the cop would change the math on this except that nobody knew he was the cop. Scum wouldn't have known exactly how good a mislynch they would be risking.

Yes, it is bothering me right now that people are using the fact that 2Pac flipped Cop to make their cases appear stronger than they really are. 2Pac was town, sure, but I don't think him being a Cop has much of anything to do with his flip as town-alligned, since no one thought he was Cop until after he was lynched. And I don't see why I should be quivering in a ball like fuzzy and repent that I voted for 2Pac because, honestly, he deserved it. I'm not succumbing to that. I thought 2Pac was bad, and he wasn't. I'm not apologizing for that and anyone who does is scummy.

[Skelda]

That's a decent response to a silly question.

What if you flip scum Skelda? Nobody but scum know the alignment of every player. If we are wrong, we are wrong, but we are probably right because this many players sharing similar reads are rarely wrong.

Well, if I were to flip scum I reckoned I knew what you would do. And you didn't have that "sometimes we are wrong" attitude when 2Pac was lynched, you looked at it differently to suit you.

We lynched 2Pac because he primarily OMGUS voted, had a stupid gimmick, and had been defended by people we were reading as scum. And I disagree with that majority is usually right gibberish, the fact that the majority suspects someone doesn't make them scum by any stretch of the imagination, and that is forged evidence.

[Skelda]

If the majority suspect someone, there is normally a reason for it, whether it's because they are playing anti town or they are saying things that don't make sense with the evidence given. I'D say that you, Nom and Reg fit that bill.

If you were to start playing protown and using evidence instead of wifomy speculation, we wouldn't suspect you, would we?

Well, then. Lynch one of us then.

[Skelda]

The fact that you three weren't on the 2Pac wagon is evidence in your favor, but it's weak evidence. We were headed for a lynch on 2Pac or a no-lynch, and either one would have served scum purposes. I don't know Skelda's alignment, but I know mine, and you get exactly zero credit in my eyes for voting me over 2Pac, Mr. Ree.

I really can't believe they don't think you are town.

[Skelda]

The fact that you three weren't on the 2Pac wagon is evidence in your favor, but it's weak evidence. We were headed for a lynch on 2Pac or a no-lynch, and either one would have served scum purposes. I don't know Skelda's alignment, but I know mine, and you get exactly zero credit in my eyes for voting me over 2Pac, Mr. Ree.

I really can't believe they don't think you are town.

What about that post screams town to you? Does it not go against the Fuzzy/Ran team you are pushing for?

1. He isn't putting up with your nonsense.
2. He is forming reads and sticking to them.
3. He recognizes that we can't go through this game feeling guilty, and apologizing for the 2Pac lynch. He recognizes that, compared to no-lynching, it was preferable.

[Skelda]

Also, I'm going to...

VOTE: Fuzzy. I feel more confident about him being scum than Ran. I think Fuzzy could be scum with Ree or Satan as well as Ran, although a Fuzzy-Ran team is still most likely.

[Skelda]

I'm here! Anyway, I'm at L-1 which I totally saw coming. I'm a Vanilla Townie, yuppers. I wish I had something better but I don't.

So, my town reads are Reg/replacement, Nom, and Satan. Ree is null. Fuzzy and Ran are scum. Fuzzy's recent post about recognizing 2Pac as Cop is ridiculous, none of us had any idea about 2Pac's role, and there is no way any of us could have predicted his flip.

Nom, would you prefer Fuzzy or Ran? I'm hoping we can sway Reg's replacement and maybe Satan. Or we can just settle for my death, as long as you lynch Fuzzy or Ran tomorrow.

[Skelda]

Skelda- I find it funny that you are totally denying( and totally dismissing ) that it is possible to guess 2Pac was the cop. Yes its usually not a likely event but it still possible especially if the players acts in a certain manners. Also in smaller games where there are less choices.

if Reg is town please explain why
1) contradicting himself at the end of day 1 in order to get a lynch is townie move
2) why a townie would through fits., insult people and try to manipulate people in order to vote his way is townie.
3) Why he disappeared after 2pac flipped cop.
4) He came in at the last moment , broke two wagon and forced a force lynch on 2Pac at the very end of day 1

Do you really believe a townie would do these things.

Playstyle? Cowardice?

I can't answer for Reg, unfortunately, but I do not think it is a viable possibility that anyone could have guessed that 2Pac was a Cop. That just isn't the sort of thing we could have figured out.

[Skelda]

Skelda- I find it funny that you are totally denying( and totally dismissing ) that it is possible to guess 2Pac was the cop. Yes its usually not a likely event but it still possible especially if the players acts in a certain manners. Also in smaller games where there are less choices.

if Reg is town please explain why
1) contradicting himself at the end of day 1 in order to get a lynch is townie move
2) why a townie would through fits., insult people and try to manipulate people in order to vote his way is townie.
3) Why he disappeared after 2pac flipped cop.
4) He came in at the last moment , broke two wagon and forced a force lynch on 2Pac at the very end of day 1

Do you really believe a townie would do these things.

Playstyle? Cowardice?

I can't answer for Reg, unfortunately, but I do not think it is a viable possibility that anyone could have guessed that 2Pac was a Cop. That just isn't the sort of thing we could have figured out.

[Skelda]

Fuzzy, I think you are doing the opposite of what scum would do (i.e. not hammering me) so that when I flip town, you will have some defense and be able to get Nom or Reg dead and win.

[Skelda]

Plus theres the fact i was ready to slam the hammer on you till I think it was Nom suggested we should wait.....so your case pretty much has fallen apart.

Look, if you hammered, you'd seem scummy, especially after my flip. That is why you didn't lynch me. You care about your image so you can send Nom or Pea packing tomorrow and end the game.

[Skelda]

@ Skelda - right bc everyone who hammer is automatically scummy. Even if they are genuine and are acting in the best interest of the town. if that was the case the person who always hammer would get lynched the next day. Supposing you are right and I am scum.....how do you know I wont make a plausible reason for the lynch and get away with it. In other words it is it is not really a gamble to lynch you if i was scum. You rationale does not make sense.

Also how do you know I wont hammer you after all. Your assumption is that I am scum and wont hammering you bc it will make me look scummy. Its possible that I will lynch you anyways . But according to you I am scummy if I lynch you but scummy if I dont lynch you. So no matter what I do i am scummy. Sorry but your theory is not good and is full of holes and contradictions.

My god, you are frustrating me. My main reason for suspecting you isn't whether or not you hammer me. It is how you are going back and forth depending on who looks like they are going to be lynched. You jumped on 2Pac yesterday, jumped on me today, and when they go to lynch Nom, you'll probably jump on him too.

[Skelda]

I cannot believe Satan managed that. I thought for sure he would be voted out in lylo. Not exactly sure what I think of this. Well, good game scum I guess. Was really surprised that you won though. I think I would like more insight into what was going on with Ree that made him vote Klick.