Newbie 1433 - Game Over

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@ Satan- whoever gets 5 votes within a day ( 14 days real time) get lynched.

vote Archie

just bc his stick figure gives me the creeps.

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Yes , it is.....

Its does not nessarilly means he is scummy but it might . Sometimes townies pulls the OMGUS card especially new townies.. Cant figure out yet if Satan is scum or just a nervous newbie. At this point it could go either way.

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Mr. Ree what is your vote based on? You say Satan is scum but you don't say why. Just curious what you are getting your read from.

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I am starting to read Satan as just an inexperience player rather than a scum. It kind of feels like he just doesn't quite have a grip on how to play the game and game theory. Its possible he's newbie scum but Im getting a newbie town vibe just from what has been said between him and Archie . What do you guys think. It could be that Im misreading things

I am not sure whats the deal on Skelda ..Im not getting a scummy read on him at all.

The only scummy read Im getting except for Satan is Mr.Ree. The fact he came in and claimed someone absolute 100% scum makes me a bit weary of him.When asked he refused to back his vote with any reasoning logical or otherwise. That and he placed a third vote on Satan. His action to do so seems a bit opportunistic to me . I honestly cant tell if Mr.Ree has a good read on Satan or if he scum trying to get an easy lynch. There is a possible third option which is the reason Mr.Ree is getting a good read on Satan is because both are scum buddies and Ree is bussing him trying to hedge his bets. Than again i might just be misreading the whole thing and neither one of them are scum. Thoughts???

There seems not to be to much info on most of the other player as the have not posted too much. Though 2pac seems to be lurking a bit and not adding to the game. I wouldn't mind his rhyming as much if he contributed to the game more.

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@2Pac - yes in my mind you were lurking ... you were posting without adding anything to conversastion. I was maining talking about your ryhming which was getting on a lot of players nerves. I never said or implied you were scum. Like other players I was wanting you to add more to the game.I think you are overacting over nothing.

I think 2Pac is townie. I have seen him do anything scummy .Yes he has done things that kind of annoying but nothing scummy.

@Ree- I do not understand your logic. If Satan really is new how would he know that there is no sure tell. .Btw while there is no sure method of scumreading a combinstion of them can give a pretty good read. Feels like you are basing your reads on assumed ideas. I dont get how your test are at all acurate. Honestly I feel like they are not good at all. Seems like you are making up some stuff and using that to attack players. Sorrry but in my eyes you are looking more and more scummy. Can you explain your method bc im honestly not getting your test or your qusi reads.

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@2Pac

If you want to accuse players of being scum strictly based on them calling you out on annoying behavior than go ahead. I am just saying using this method is not helping the town .Btw it is not nessarilly the amount but the quality. It is better to have five posts that is helpful than 10 posts that are filler.

I think that Archie was just trying to helpful though it is possible he doing it just to look townie. I dont see that being the case bc I reading him as pretty much a townie.

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@ Reese_ still getting use to reaction test. Have never seen them use before . I played occansionally but but itwas just for pure fun. Im trying to figure out if I realy believe you are doing a reaction test or just BSing saying you were to make yourself look good

Honestly I dont know what to make 2Pac-he has made very little real contribution as far as scum hunting. His going around asking people to sheep him as if he has good scum hunting credibility. His reads are purely OMGUS responsess. Everything about him says stuborn newbie but I cant ignore that his action are starting to seem scummy. He starting to act like a desperate scum trying to get a wagon.

@ Archie_ definently bad stratergy but the question is if just a bad townie or scum. You do make some good points but I am not quite sold . I think you need to make your case a bit stronger before you get me to vote for him.

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If 2Pac is really serious about being a scum hunter and so sure Null and me are scum than he should write a brief explanation why we are scum and why we should be wagoned. He should give credible evidence what we did that we deserve to be lynch. Come on dawg prove that you are a great scum hunter like you say and that people should sheep you.

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unvote Archie

2Pac- I am starting to take Skelda side on this . You dont seem all that interested in playing and more interested in RPing. I ask you a simple task and you refuse. Not even that but you went deep into your RPing mode. You want people to sheep you without any good reason. You claim people are playing poorly but are playing really poor yourself.
You say sheep me every post as if you are saying look at me I am a townie , see I am scumhunting. I was not even looking to see if you were scummy bc I felt you were just a bad townie. I just wanted to see how you would react to being asked to defend your vote. Either you are a bad townie or bad scum. As you might say You cant get no cred until you earn on the street.

I dont know about the Null wagon. He kind of seems like an easy target and that is why he getting votes. Looking for someone to prove me wrong.

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@ 2Pac.....finally you put aside your gangster act and posted a readable post.That is to say a post where we can get some read on what side you are on.Getting you to start contributing to the town without annoying everyone was my goal. Hey if it took me poking you a bit and you taking it as scum behavior than thats okay. If we are to catch these scumbag and win the game we need everyone to play a good game. Can't help it Ima competive person at heart. As far trying to be your buddy, I dont care what you think. Whether you are my buddy or not does not change my goal.

I want to be the first to say welcome to the game

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Rvs Vote- common at the begining of game. I believed at that point in this game everyone was doing RVS votes

Satan- not going to deny that it was non comittal. I needeed more info and evidence. Why make rush judgement. We have 14 days ( 11 now) to get a good lynch. I think we should use that time to get one. We dont want to lynch a townie in order to get wagon.

Ree_ His post seemed odd and I wanted to get more info from him in order to see why he thought Satan was scum and also to find out his motives.And yes it was a scum read on Ree bc his action was scummy to me. I did not get the point to his reaction test.


Bob- bc he reads as town to me

2Pac read_ your behavior was annoying me and others. I was just trying to push you to take the game seriously and contribute to helping catch scum. It seemed to me all your post were just accusing people bc they attacked you or were calling you out on your behavior. You were not really scum hunting at that time imho.


Alledge Back peddling_ I was reading you as townie still but your behavior and RP was starting to make me to think that it it was all to hide the abilities to get good reads on you. Something I felt was scummy behavior.


The last two were reaction tests to see how you would react as well to get you to focus ,. I think my method sort of works.

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* in order to just get a quick wagon.

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Unvote: Bob

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Need to go through the posts again and see if any of the wagons are good. Been gone all day and need to catch up on some zzzs . Will try post something more substantial later tonight or tomorrow.

Also SD I think some players need to prodded bc I have not seen them in a while/ Im not sue if the have hit 72 hours but I think there are a couple who are pretty close.Thank you

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1) I just started playing on this site. This is my second game here. I played on other site but nothing to serious. I haven't played in years and getting back into playing. Never played in the meatwold before. Would be an interesting experience

2) Never played in the meatwold before. Would be an interesting experience

3) read some basic things about mafia/ werewolf.

4) Green

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I would like to see how 2Pac plays now that he has really toned down the gangster persona and has started to play. Since he stopped focusing on RPing or whatever he doing and started to help out more he seems to be looking townie and less scummy. We shall see what happens after he plays more normally for a while.

I am reading Noms actions as trying to push 2Pac to stop his routine and help the town more. I think that he should of tried to figure out other players instead of solely focusing on 2Pac.I also poked 2pac a little in order to try to get tone down his style . I cant judge Nom merely on this. I do think that Nom could of look at other players while he was sitting on 2Pac. I see this as being bad playing bc of frustration more than him being scummy. I can see Archies point and its something to take into consideration. For now I putting a IGMEOY on Nom.

On Archie- I dont see him acting like an IC as being scummy or townie, I think he was just trying to be helpful/ I do think that he does seem to push for easy wagons. I want to see what he has to say about this before I place a vote against him/ For now I also have an IGMEOY on Archie.


Ree- This guys scares me. At times it seems he uses his power as IC to influence votes and Im not sure about his reaction test. While I have nothing against reaction test I wonder if his tests are just a way to try to see if he can get an easy wagon on someone. I am still trying to figure out this guy and what his intentions are. He seems to go from acting reallly townie at times to acting pretty scummy. For now I am going to put a FOS on him

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Im have Archaebob at l-2
I unvoted him earlier and than it look like Stahr voted twice for Bob.

@BOB- calling people names and insulting them does not help your case. You still look scummy buddy.

The only reason I not going to vote for you Bob is that Sthar"s action seem even more scummier. He tried to vote twice in order to hammer Bob. Sthar did not allow him to defend himself or claim before trying to hammering him. He should know better than that. While his vote at first sincere it seems now to very opportunistic. He looks like she scum trying to get a quick lynch

Vote Sthar 8

Still got IGMEOY - Bob and a FOS on Mr. Ree

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I forgot to put the : in my vote.want to make sure I do this right so it counts

Vote: Sthar

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@Mr:Ree- You do see how much that your vote seem like retaliatory reaction for me accusing you right? Its almost a OMGUS vote . Its not as far I can understand the term from looking it up. Still You did not give any good reason for voting for me( except for me not liking your reaction test) . This is bad playing if not scummy behavior man. I hope you are scum because I hate to think someone of your skill can play so badly.

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Okay- I can get the gut thing. I tend to go by my gut instincts as much as I do my logic/. I dont get the voting record. My Vote for bob was a random vote. My unvote was bc he was a random vote. My vote on Sthar is bc she genuinely seem scummy enough to vote for .She tried to hammer someone after voting for them twice. Not only that she seems very happy about the quick lynch. I am not going to vote someone bc there is a wagon on them. Yes Bob seem scummy but I am not convinced enough that he deserves a vote. You seem just as eager to get a quick lynch which makes me nervous.

Can you explain why you seem so eager to get a quick lynch on BOB, You seem to be voting for me bc Im not on the lynch Bob wagon....atleast that is how I am interpreting it.

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Hmm.....I did not know that Null.thank for letting me know....I assumed that IC were suppose to very good players as well as being knowledgable about the game and site culture. as for Ree it seemed to me he playing a bit sloppy. It could be that I dont have alot of game knowledge so his action seems a bit odd,

Even if Sthar double vote was an accident , his eagerness to quick lynch Archie seem really bad. He seem to try to justify his action by saing normally its bad to ...... than perceed to try hammer Archie.. I just really feel like Sthars attempted hammer seems over opptumistic. Maybe I am misreading the whole thing but Sthar just realy pinging my scumdar.

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Even good players has thier bad game. But like I said he using methods I am not use to so it hard to guage hi intentions or if he even using these techniques in the right wayor even for true scum hunting reasons. Im kind of going off gut feeling .

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I am reading Runaway as a townie. He has not done anything remotely scummy and all his post reads town. I going out on a limb and say Run is townie.


@ sthar.... huh......in post 163 you say you depise reaction tests than go on to say that your whole double vote was a reaction test on Bob. You just seem like a player trying to wiggle out very scummy behavior. Like I said you are really pinging my scumdar.

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@Run

I tend to overthink and overanylize my thoughts thus I tend to not be secure in my thoughts. I guess I should be more secure in my thoughts. I feel like being secure in your thoughts makes one townie, can you explain why you believe being more secure in your thoughts makes someone less scummy.

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@Sthar- your explanation did not satisfy me. I do not care about your gambit bc I feel it was not a gambit. I think that you got over eager for a quick lynch and when you got caught you needed to find a rational explanation for your action. Even if it was a RT which I do not think it was than that means you contradicted yourself bc in post 163 you said that you dislike RT. Even in your explanation of your gambit you say it was a reaction test so you cant play it off as a pure gambit ( even if it was not). You have lied and contridicted yourself which from I know is scummy.

If someone is wants to explain to me how Sthars action is not scummy I am willing to listen and unvote him.

I think I am being targeted by some bc I am not jumping on the Bob wagon. I think that is a poor judgement of my scuminess . Maybe I am misreading post but it seems that Skelda vote was merely based on me not voting Bob.

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I should say maybe unvote him.

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@ Skelda

You make a good point about his action .I am not sure yet.I need time to think it over a bit. I think maybe i was being a bit hard headed. Also I said that thought that the Nom wagon semed to be easy wagon so you were not the only defending him.

Skelda_ who do you deserves lynching .

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unvote :Sthar

I dont see why I am scummy just bc I did not buy Sthars RT test. On the surface it looked really scummy. Thinking about it , I think that it is more likely than not it was a gambit/rt . Except for that he has not done anything i would see as scummy. Still if this was not a newbie game I would think that such a gambit would get Sthar quckly wagoned. I believe I had every right not to believe his action or story and to push him on it to see if what he was saying about it being a gambit was true.


I dont know about Nom....he persist to sit on 2pac even though he has toned down the gangster act and that also 2Pac has not posted in a while, Maybe Nom is not intentially trying to help the town. I still reading him as town but im not as sure anymore.

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The way I see it is that I am getting wagoned for calling out something that would of been considered scummy in most other games. If i am wrong than please correct me. Saying that I welcome the presssure and the questions. If we are to catch theses scum we need to put pressure on scummy behavior. I did nothing wrong in my opinion. I just think that my scum hunting and pressuring were mistook as scummy behavior.
Since we do not know who is scum and who is town than I think we need to pressure people and call players out for scummy action so we csn ferret out the truth.

@2Pac_ as I said earlier all that is just me scum hunting and putting pressure on players I felt were acting scummy or did something I thought was scummy. 206 was a correction for a typing mistake I made in 205. I have a feeling that no matter what I say you willl think I am scum.

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@ Run

I think you are talking about me lying and contridicting myself , right. As far as that goes I cant say anything on it tilll you post my alledged lie/ contridiction. I will happy to explain it to you , if there is anything there to explian. Saying that can you post your evidence. Thank you.

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@ Run

Reread the post and saw what you were talking about. Sorry

I learn by watching and learning but I also learn by doing.So no I have not totally figured out reaction test but I starting to catch on. I am learning as I go. Does that make sense?

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@ No....I am still learning. I am a hands on learner. Learning how to pressure test is not to hard in my opinion but knowing how to read them is much much harder. I think I kinda got down the how to..I am very much learning to read them. I do have to say knowing how to apply effectively and when to apply them is much harder as well. I on a learning curve

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The way I see it is that I am getting wagoned for calling out something that would of been considered scummy in most other games. If i am wrong than please correct me.

Saying that I welcome the presssure and the questions.

If we are to catch theses scum we need to put pressure on scummy behavior. I did nothing wrong in my opinion. I just think that my scum hunting and pressuring were mistook as scummy behavior.
Since we do not know who is scum and who is town than I think we need to pressure people and call players out for scummy action so we csn ferret out the truth.

You don't see your own scumminess at all? It is hypocritical to ask us to put pressure on scummy behavior and get upset at the town for putting pressure on you. And if you can't see what you did wrong, that is your first problem.

@Skelda - I actually did say I did not mine the pressure and I did not get upset? Are you just skimming my post or are you deliberately misquoting me.

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@Nom
Beside 2Pacs gangster postings can you name anything else that makes him scummy.

@ Runaway
Almost the same question. Except for Nom hyper focus on 2 Pac tell me why he should be lynched or atleast for me to vote for Nom

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@Skelda

I dont think either one is going to happen. 2Pac toned down his act for a little bit but than he went back to it. It also seems to me that 2Pac will play just enough to keep from being mod killed. Pac seems to be helpful at times but his act gets in the way and than he becomes more of a distraction than helpful. On the other hand if 2Pac was gone I think that Null would be more helpful. I think if one of the other was gone than we would less prone to the distraction and would be able to scum hunt better.

This is not to say I necessarily endorse lynching either one . I am just saying their distracting behavior is feeding off each other and it distracting the town

Saying that if there a reason to lynch them beside they are generally unhelpful and distracting than I would consider voting for them. I have not really heard a strong case for either one of them besides their distracting behavior and unhelpful town behavior.

@ Those sitting on Nom and 2Pac. I am reading both as very bad VT right now. If anybody who wants to make a case for a lynch I am willing to listen.

@Skelda - what was the deal with putting me at l-2 but not at l-1 especially since you seem convinced I am scum. This seems kind of strange

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@ Sthar I have always been taught that lying is antitown and scummy so I had no need to try to dig deeper. I could not see a good reason for a town to lie. You do make an interesting point about lying not always possibly being scummy. I do not know if this is true but it is something worth considering and doing some looking up on the subject.

Hope this is correct bc I had to google some of the terms you used

You are saying that Skelda is using inaccurate blanket rules. Can you be more specfic on what blanket rule he is going on and why you feel he is scummy for doing so.

Also could you define sheepy and surface game.. I could not find them in the glossary or in a google search


Besides my last accusation against you can you me where I have gone by the rules and not tried to look at peoples motivations. I do not think I have done that but than again I could be wearing blinders.

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I would imagine if it was V/La he would of taken that option though it possible he did not think about it. Whatever it is I hope that it is not anything too serious and he can take care of it quickly
@ Bob- Take care and I wish you the best ( just in case you must leave the game.)

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@Ree- I think everyone is waiting for you to share your discoveries. You said you had the scum pair nailed down. Curious what your reads are.....

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Welcome RegFan

@ Regfan Maybe it is just me but Ree seems like a pretty aggressive player. This is not necessarily scummy and it might be just his style but I would think that scum would need to be fairly aggressive in order to get the mislynch.He might just be just an aggressive townie trying to scum , I seen that before too. I agree he hard to read which personally makes me a bit nervous.

i see Nom as totally OCDing on the 2pac situation. Maybe it because I have OCD and I know how it is to be super focused on one thing and unable to get my mind off that thing/ thought. Not saying he OCD just that the situation seems to be similar.As far as 2pac I think he like the attention he gets from his act. I cant see scum wanting extra attention on themselves . It could be he scum but he does not really care about getting caught and just wants attention. I dont see this happening though

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I meant to say an aggressive player trying to catch scum.

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@ Run

so do you think Nom is scum or just a bad townie?
I guess I took Ree using reaction test so much as being aggressive. Yes it is a good way to trap scum but it also can be use as a ruse to trap innocent townies as well. That is what I am a bit worried about. I guess I am concern that Mr Ree might be town fishing with his test. Since I find it hard to read Ree its hard to figure out his intention.

Dont like how quiet it has been.....This is not good for the town.

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@Skelda

Why would my spots be logical in another game but idiotic here. Sorry but your logic is not making any sense. This is not a parallel universe were the law of universe is changed. It feel like you do like the argument bc it is directed toward you. You also seem very defensive even though you only have two votes against you. Three with Refan vote on you which he took back. You just seem overly defensive and panicky. I dont know what to make of your scum pairings. They kind of seem like the flavor of the moment type thing. You also never explain the vote on me. Why you would not put me at l-1 even though you are sure I am scum.
I never even implied you were scum bc of that. I even gave you a chance to answer without putting any pressure on you. So one time. Please answer my simple question

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@ Run
I should say that he might be lynch fishing Dont know if the wording makes a difference or if you understood what I was trying to say the first time
What are your thoughts on Skelda ?

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I guess to me there is a difference between scum hunting and lynch hunting as one is earnestly trying to figure out the bad guy and one is just trying to get a lynch just because

I am waiting to see what Skelda has to say but I have to admit that I am seriously thinking of putting a vote against Skelda bc his logic does not make sense and his actions are starting to seem scummy. I want to give himshelf a chance to explain/ defend his actions.

@ everyone- where is everyone????

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@ Skelda

...In post 285 you confirmed I was L-3. In post 282 you blatantly say you will not put me at l-1 at least not yet. Explain. Also sorry but what you say about me following people is not true. I went after Sthar when I thought he looked scummy , Nobody had said anything about the reaction test. I was on my own. I think I was wrong about it but I stood on my own on it.

FOS- Skelda


@ Nom-

So you are saying you willing lynch someone who might be town so we could have a lynch by the end of the day? Please tell me why this is not scummy bc I see this as really scummy?

FOS- Nom

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Regfan- You are right. I guess I had some false assumptions . I know that scum must have mislynches to win so I assumed that scum would have to be aggressive at least somewhat. Thinking about what you said I realize that I was wrong on that one.

Nom- I dont see how a compromise lynch would give any new info. It seems like lynching for lynching sake. I can see a random or a regular lynch being helpful since we can see who voted for who and why and we could get some tells. It seems to me , and I could be wrong, that a compromise lynch will give us very little info and a dead townie.

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I have limited focus abilities....I was trying to figure out what to do about Nom and Skelda before I moved on to Satan. I didnt want to try to juggle to many things and miss any important on Nom and Skelda. Plus you did not ask so I did not think I was suppose to.

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@ Reg He does contradict himself. I need to figure out why . i mean his motivation bc I believe that what we are suppose to do as oppose to just saying lying is necessarily scummy . At least that is what I have been told. I admit though on the surface he does seem to be scummy.

Sorry but I have a limited focus range. I cant change that...it is just how I was made. I will try to do better but trying to comment on every post made can be overwhelming.

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Reg- cant deny your points . You make a strong case. It seems that he is newb scum

vote Satan

Even if Satan flip scum it does not seem to me that we can declare Skelda town. It would be more likely that he is though.

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Regfan

Im not too familial with metas but what I have read from Wiki page they can be flawed and inaccurate at times. Please explain why we should depend on meta and why you feel that your read on Nom meta is good . Thanks

Honestly im starting to get frustrated with Nom. I am pondering if his actions are not anti town because they have been pretty hurtful to the town. His actions of tunneling 2Pac seem a major distraction to the town and has hindered the ability to catch scum . Im not going to say that he is scum but I am starting to ponder the possibilities. I have not read your links yet but plan to later on. I honestly want to believe Nom is town but he is making it a bit harder to.

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@Runaway
Please explain your vote on Satan... Seems like you are just jumping on the wagon bc it is the thing to do. Yes we need a lynch today( game day) but we also need to to understand each others motive for doing so. Your vote seem pretty opportunistic. As far as we know you are jumping on the Satan Wagon bc he is your scum buddy and you are trying to cover yourself in case he get lynched and flips scum....Thanks

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@archie
I am sure you would love Skelda's last post. Do you see the difference between that damn goat and me?

When I said you surely had noticed, without saying what, I thought you really had read it.

You never were really scummy to my eyes

. Pushed you a bit, but my main target is, as always have been since I made my first reads, Skelda. For things like that. He accused me, Ranawey, 2pac, Fuzzy and you Bob of being Scum. That's 5/9 scummy people. In the other hand, he does not want to lynch Nominull, and claims to be the only one defending him. A bit too heroic.
And now he states this: No one is getting lynched, but Archie and Fuzzy. Well done, motherfucker, you have won my vote.

VOTE: Skelda

Satan- what did you mean when you said you never found him

not really

scummy? Please explain .....

@Ree- i not sure what to make of RegFans eagerness to lynch Satan. I can see where it can be scummy and where it be a townie statement.

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@ Run- Yes I did after I post. I skimmed though page posts so I missed some details on second read I saw where you posted on that/ Sorry about that.

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@ Ree- what makes you think Satan will flip town. Also what do you make of Reg's scumslip read on Satan...you seem to think that he has pretty good reads. I guess I am asking why I should I should flip my vote to Null since Satan seems like a pretty sure bet. Not saying am 100 percent sure he is scum but it seems more likely than not he is.

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Unvote

If what Sthar said about my reads are right than I misread your RT test and made some faulty assumption on your playing style. Saying that and seeing you have not done anything scummy I am guessing you are town. Hopefully you are right and we will get some very useful info on this read.

VOTE: Null

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I was thinking that it was a scum slip and not a newb mistake. I read it as him contradicting himself. but not having a good reason why. the longer I think about it though it seems the scumslip is based on one word.....really . There are several context it could mean. 1) he was comparing the amount of scumminess. I guess it could also be that he changed his mind. He didnt think Bob was scummy after all.Maybe Im over thinking this .

Thinking that this plan is a bit of a gambit . Still hopefully it will force the scum to show thier hand and put their cards on the table

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They way I understand it is depending on Nom flips it will give us a better read on who is scum. Since Nom is most likely scum than that means Skelda is also scum. Atleast how I understand it.

Honestly Im been bordering on Nom for a while. I have been trying to believe that it was just bad play and he was just a bad townie but his tunneling has hurt the scum hunt . Its not like he could atleast do a read/ reaction on one other player. Not only that it getting harder to believe that he not doing it as a distraction to hide his scumminess. Not only that but his read is based on the matter of 2Pac gameplay. I agree it annoying but atleast 2Pac has contributed some where Nom has made no contribution until today and that was just two posts.

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I have skelda at l-2. Is that right bc Ran said he intended to hammer.

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@ regfan_
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I dont like your last to posts.....not at all. You pretty much say I am scum than you put me in the spot to lynch 2Pac .I feel like I am being set up to take the fall if 2Pac flips town. I have the feeling that I will be the day 2 target, that if I dont get NKed first. Maybe I am being paranoid but I have a bad gut feeling about the whole thing. If I am scum why are you desperatly trying to get my vote.

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Okay.....fine

Do i need to intend to hammer or do i just hammer?

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i intend to hammer 2Pac......

So if you have a claim you need to make it now.

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VOTE: 2Pac

I hope you are right Regfan.

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Now off to bed....to dream of pleasant things. Hopefully when i awake I will find that 2Pac has flipped scum. Sweet dreams ye princes and princesses....

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HFOS
Nom- Sat on 2Pac all of day one...did not do anything helpful except for maybe 1 or two posts. I have been patient with Nom..Toward the end of the day i admit I lost my patients. His action began to read anti town. This is not to say he is scum but his action and the fact that 2Pac flipped town has made me start to lean that way. Like I said in day 1 his tunneling had started to become anti town which makes me suspicious.

Reg- This guy really pinged my scumdar. He is the one that pushed hard for a 2Pac lynch . Not only did 2pac flip townie but flipped cop. Did I say that right. He yells and screams and throws a fit when people did not vote his way. I find his actions manipulative.Why would a townie need to act like that? he called me out as scum but than backed off of that so that I would vote 2Pac. He called out Satan as scum and than pretty much begged him to hammer 2Pac. All manipulative and pretty scummy in my opinion. This guy seems like he will do anything to get the lynch he wants. Maybe it is just me but I find this behavior highly suspect.

I want to hear from them before I vote for one of them.

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@Skelda- maybe Im being as dense as a rock but I dont understand how lynching 2pac was the right thing or the smart thing after we learned he flipped both as a townie and the cop. You say it would be stupid not to lynch him but I dont understand what your logic is after the way he flipped. Can you explain bc your logic is not making sense.

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Yes, 2Pac blood is on my hands too bc i am the one that hammered him... but unlike you I am sorry that I lynched him. You seem unrepentant, even happy for that lynch despite how how he flipped. This makes me suspicious of you. You seem like scum trying to justify why the 2Pac lynch was a good lynch.

The only reason I don't hammer or at least intend to hammer is I don't want to be manipulated into mislynching a townie like I did with 2Pac. So tell me why i should not put an intent to lynch on you.

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I am reading Ree, and Run as townie that leaves Skelda, Reg ,Satan and Nom as the possible scum. Honestly though I am reading Satan as more townie than scum .

@Skelda- I dont like how he thinks and defends the 2pac as a good lynch despite him flipping town cop.(more on the 2Pac lynch later on). Its not that I want to blame Skelda for the lynch bc I feel I am more responsible than him bc I put the hammer on 2Pac but as i said Skelda seems to reluclant to admit that the lynch was a mistake. Something I am willing to do. I just want to know why he consistently trying to defend his mistake as being right.

Reg- I do not like this guy. He is manipulative and throws a fit whenever someone disagree with him. He calls people dumb and tell everyone that he never wants play with them again. This is like a little kid saying he doesnt want to play anymore and so he going to take the ball and go home . Why would a townie do this. This is even more antitown than Nom sitting on 2Pac.Also we we had two good wagons on Nom and Skelda... two people that had good scum reads on them and Reg busted the wagons up. He got a wagon on 2Pac based on what turned out to be horrible reads. He also begs and pleaded with the two other people he consider scum to lynch 2Pac. He seem to do whatever he could to get the 2Pac lynch. Honestly I wonder if he thought 2Pac might be the cop and thats why he went after him so hard. If 2pac turned out to a VT than he had an extra try during the night. Not saying this is the case but I cant help but wonder. Regs just reads scum in my humble opinion.

Nom- Besides sitting on 2Pac all during day 1 he was just generally unhelpful nad seem like he was tryng to do this on purpose. He seems to be trying to be more helpful today. I dont know what to make of this . I honestly like to see more posts from him before we decide to possible wagon him.


@Nom- I was reluctant bc I was reading 2Pac as being town. I thought that it was going to be a bad lynch which it was. Like I said I only hammer bc I felt pressured to by Reg as well as the every increasing deadline. I was stuck between what i considered a bad lynch and a no lynch. To me it seemed like a no win situation. I decide that a bad lynch would be better since atleast we might get some info from it. I was also reluctant bc I did not and still do not trust Reg. Like I said he seems manipulative. Sorry but I was hoping that we would get you or Skelda lynch. You two had the biggest scum read from the town in my opinion. Honestly though I trust you more than i trust Reg. I think I would rather lynch Reg or Skelda since they seem the scummiest so far today.

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Not at all I was worry about hammering him and than Reg turning around and trying to nail me with the lynch . He just seems like someone that would do something like that, by the way he acted. He tried to do the same thing with Satan.My hesitance alot more to do with Regs than it had to do with 2Pac.

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I have the feeling that he will almost parrot what you are saying.

I dont understand why I would fear accountability since if I was scum I could just hammer him without any repercussion. He had a strong wagon and nobody would of blamed me for lynching him I could easily gone along with the town and got the lynch/ Why would I want to hesitate and draw attention on myself when lynching him without questions would be the easiest thing to do if I was scum . Sorry but like I said your logic makes no sense in my opinion.

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@Nom- exactly. The way Regs has been acting I was pretty sure that when 2pac flipped townie ( which was more likely than not .That is why I said if he flipped bc I was not 100 percent sure) Regs would try to goat me ( not sure if thats the right word )for hammering 2Pac. You can believe me or not that is up to you but its the truth. Maybe I was being paranoid but I dont trust Regs and do not like the position he put me in. Also what about the others who did not vote 2pac they could just as easily be laying off the 2pac vote to look like they are good old townies. This is exactly what Regs wanted ...to push the 2pac vote and than for someone else to take the heat for it. If you are town than you have done exactly what Regfan wanted.

I dont care whether or not Regfaan shows up or not. I dont caree about the consequences.Lynch me tomorrow if you must. I can not just let Regfan act super scummy and get away with it. Everything in my guts is telling me he scum

VOTE: RegFan

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@Nom- Honestly I dont know what to tell you without repeating myself another hundred times. Anyways I have no idea how you think the statement you posted is a lie.The fact is I would get more heat by hesitating to vote 2pac than to put a quick lynch on 2pac . A fact that I believed that Regs used to his advantage. At the end of day 1 almost everyone either thought 2pac was scum or a bad player. Why would anyone blame me for hammering him. Since I hesitated bc of the mistrust of Regs and me believing it being a bad lynch I ended up taking heat I would otherwise would not get.I Also you seem refuse to refute any counter argument I had made. thas fine....if you think Im scum than vote for me bc you dont seem to want to listen to anything I have to say. Sorry but this conversation seems to be going around and around without much point/

@Ran- Yes i think his disappearance is suspicious. It exactly scummy but given the events of day 1 I have to consider this pretty suspect

Once again-
Regs has thrown fits to try to get his way. Called people scum and than recanted so he could get a hammer on 2Pac. He broke up the Skelda and Nom wagon to get a 2Pac wagon( which by the way flipped town cop) He is in my opinion manipulative and scummy and does not act like a townie would. I would think he would know better.

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Edit- * Its not exactly scummy but given the events of......

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@ Skelda- so you dont think that Reg has not done anything scummy . That none of actions he did was suspicious? This seems to what you are saying. If thats what you believe than that fine I just want to here you say it. Also are we suppose to wait till Reg decides to show up to make accusations because if that the case he can reappear and disappear and by your logic he can not be accused. Yes it would be nice for Reg to be here to defend himself ( i would very much like that) but him being or not being here does not change how I feel about his actions during day 1. I cant just give him a free pass just because he has not shown up yet. If you are sure he is innocent than make a case for that and I will listen. I want to lynch scum as much as you do.

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All i know is if i was scum I would of hammered 2Pac before Reg would have had to pressure me to. I also think that in that case I would not look suspicious bc everyone thought 2Pac was either scum or a bad townie. Where I got myself in trouble was that I was placed in a situation where I had to hammer 2pac or run a chance of a no lynch ( which would make me look really scummy.) I believed that Reg used that opportunity to force my hand and lynch 2Pac even though I did not want to. i also believed bc of how he seem to be manipulative he planned to use my bad position to put set me up for a lynch on day 2.

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Also i dont know about anybody else for sure but I just feel like Reg is scum beyond a resonable doubt. i am still waiting on either Reg showing up to defend himself or someone to make a case for Reg being a townie. Once he flips scum we can figure out who his scum buddy is.....

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I dont know ...I found that the game is fluid so we must be willing to change with new info.

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Honestly I have not thought that far ahead....

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@Ree besides Nom sitting on 2Pac what else makes you think he will flip scum? what is your read on Reg? also is it possible that the scum got a cop read from 2pac. I could be wrong but I dont see it beyond the realm of possibility especially with new players?

@ everyone- besides Skelda being stubborn and not admitting killing 2pac was a mistake what else make you think he is lynch worthy? Honestly I dont see much besides that issue.

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wait Ree .....are you calling me out as scum?? If so what case do you have against me?

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@Ree- oh ok ...I did not understand what you were saying so I had to ask.

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I really wanted a Reg lynch. He seems the most scummy. I think that Skelda is a good second choice.
Saying that I am posting my intention to lynch.

So Skelda this is the time to claim if you feel the need.

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I really wanted a Reg lynch. He seems the most scummy. I think that Skelda is a good second choice.
Saying that I am posting my intention to lynch.

So Skelda this is the time to claim if you feel the need.

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Oh and to make it clear.... I doing this bc I feel Skelda is scum. I am not doing it bc I feel tricked , manipulated or put in a must lynch situration like I was during the 2Pac lynch.
lets lynch this scum and win the game on day 3 .

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Lylo???

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Nom suppose I go along with you and wait for Regfan replacement ...... how long do you think I should wait before you think a Skelda lynch is acceptable? Also you think Skelda is town can you explain why .

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or are you just mainly worried about LYLO??

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There is no shift in opinion.....

I have believed with all my guts that Reg is scum . While it turned out that he did not attack me on day 2 as I thought he would , he did act scummy. He blatantly called me out as scum than backed off the comment when realize that calling me scum risked me not hammering 2Pac. He did the same thing with Satan. He basically contradicted himself to ensure a lynch. I find that scummy. Not only that but he whined ,complain and threw fits about those who didnt agree with him in order to pressure them into voting his way. I find that really scummy.

I also found Skelda scummy as well. Since I could not get my main scum choice I thought the best option was to go with my second and hope to get Reg on Day 3...... What you call it a compromise lynch I believe.

I admit that pretty much my case against Skelda.

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Since We agree we should wait , I will hold off my lynch of Skelda till Reg replacement comes. We still have to wait till Reg's twelve hours is up. So it might be a day or two before he is replaced I think... I am just concern in being placed in a position to hammer again when i do not want to like the 2pac lynch. i want to hammer someone who i think is truly guilty .Sorry I just felt like I was placed in a no win situation.





I just consider that Ran got busy with work since he posted fairly regular until he said he had hit a busy time at work. Maybe it is wrong for me to assume this but it seems somewhat logical.

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Well if I actually read my posts on day one I would of remember saying that. Doh..... I should say that I believed from the beginning of day two he was scummy. So yes i changed my mind. I hate having the memory of a hamster... Yes on day one I thought he was a townie. On day two his refusal to admit he was wrong made me think he was scummy.

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really...?? I thought it was an okay move. I guess I was wrong about the compromise lynch

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@ Satan- well two three possibilities

1) One is he read 2Pac as possible the cop and sat on him all game- which means he is diffenitely scum
2) He sat on 2pac not realizing he was the cop - this means that he is possible scum


I dont think scum would sit on a cop all day and than he flip town cop. This would make him too suspicious . So the question is wheather Nom sitting on the cop is a happy accident. my gut feeling is that was thus I am reading him as most likely a townie.Also the fact he seems to be trying to contribute more. He just feel like he prob town.

According to my POE I have Regs and Skelda as scum. I might be wrong about Skelda( i doubt it) but I am very confident in my Regs read.

Also ran has hit 3 days as well. i think he might have to be replaced as well/... we shall see

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@ Satan- well two possibilities

1) One is he read 2Pac as possible the cop and sat on him all game- which means he is diffenitely scum
2) He sat on 2pac not realizing he was the cop - this means that he is possible scum


I dont think scum would sit on a cop all day and than have his kill flip town cop. This would make him too suspicious . So the question is wheather Nom sitting on the cop is a happy accident or not. . my gut feeling is that it was thus I am reading him as most likely a townie.Also the fact he seems to be trying to contribute more. He just feel like he is prob town.
I repect Ree reads but rereading a few his 12 reason to lynch Nom , they seem a bit bloated and self righteous . Despite that I reading Ree as town as well

According to my POE I have Regs and Skelda as scum. I might be wrong about Skelda( i doubt it) but I am very confident in my Regs read.

Also ran has hit 3 days as well. i think he might have to be replaced as well/... we shall see

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sorry about the 2x posts...... im having an off day today. Im not very focused today. Trying to get my head in the game but personal life kept slipping in.

Supposing Ran goes MIA , will we wait for his replacement also before we lynch.....If so how long before both will be replaced. Just worried we will be left to make a last minute lynch like we did day 1. Wondering if we will have time to make good and carefully thought out cases so we can we make a good lynch. Maybe Im making a bad assumption but it seem like last minutes lynches are bad for town since they will likely be panic lynches.

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Skelda- I find it funny that you are totally denying( and totally dismissing ) that it is possible to guess 2Pac was the cop. Yes its usually not a likely event but it still possible especially if the players acts in a certain manners. Also in smaller games where there are less choices.

if Reg is town please explain why
1) contradicting himself at the end of day 1 in order to get a lynch is townie move
2) why a townie would through fits., insult people and try to manipulate people in order to vote his way is townie.
3) Why he disappeared after 2pac flipped cop.
4) He came in at the last moment , broke two wagon and forced a force lynch on 2Pac at the very end of day 1

Do you really believe a townie would do these things.

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MY point being that he did a bunch of scummy things that makes him suspect to me and should at least make people take a look and see if he is scum. Disappearing is just one in the list.....where on its own it might be null or maybe even townie put together with other behaviors it adds to his scumminess. The fact is that I could take away him disappearing and he would still look scummy.I still have not seen anyone make a case for regs being a townie/

Skelda keeps saying Im scum but I have done just an opposite scum would do..I had several good chance to lynch or help lynch someone on day 1 but did not bc I saw them as possible townies and did not want to mislynch them . Same thing with Skelda. I could of slam the hammer on him a while back. Yes I might been lynched on day 3 but I would most likely set up my team to win. I waiting to see what Regs replacement has to say as well as the possible Ran replacement( if he does not show). I have done everything I could to help the townies. So I Skelda is scum trying to lynch me bc he knows I have him nailed or he's a townie who has bad reads. I like to think its the latter rather than the latter but I feel he is most likely scum.

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Right, I going to avoid lynching you and 1) take the chance that you wont get lynch 2) take the chance that I or my scum partner would get lynch. Your rationale for my being scum seem seems flimsy at best. Seems like you are grasping at straws.

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Plus theres the fact i was ready to slam the hammer on you till I think it was Nom suggested we should wait.....so your case pretty much has fallen apart.

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Hey Peabody ..welcome

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@ Skelda - right bc everyone who hammer is automatically scummy. Even if they are genuine and are acting in the best interest of the town. if that was the case the person who always hammer would get lynched the next day. Supposing you are right and I am scum.....how do you know I wont make a plausible reason for the lynch and get away with it. In other words it is it is not really a gamble to lynch you if i was scum. You rationale does not make sense.

Also how do you know I wont hammer you after all. Your assumption is that I am scum and wont hammering you bc it will make me look scummy. Its possible that I will lynch you anyways . But according to you I am scummy if I lynch you but scummy if I dont lynch you. So no matter what I do i am scummy. Sorry but your theory is not good and is full of holes and contradictions.

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Skelda...you know that the reason I jumped on the 2Pac wagon was that if I didnt vote for him we would end day 1 with a no lynch. You act likeit was still mid day and that I just jumped on his wagon bc it was the easiest lynch at the time. None which is true. Secondly its not like I had not suspected you as scum but jumped on you anyways. Like I said you are grasping at straws .

I look forward to reading Peabody reads.....also at this point I think that Ran is going to be replaced.

@ Ree what do you think about my town read on Nom.

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Sorry i know that you prob feel overwhelm bc you have 30+ pages to catch on and you going to be bombarded with questions

so this are your reads up to page 10

Def Town

-2Pac
- Sthar
- Regs/ You

Fuzzy( Town ?)
Skelda ( likely Town
Ree ( likely Town)

Scum Satan/Nom

just trying to get a handle on your reads

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@ PB- You posted oh , never mind he saw the error of his ways...I not sure if you were being genuine or sarcastic....Like I said Im trying to understand your reads .

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One of my reason is that he , in my opinion is playing more town than he did on day 1. The second reason some of your argument for him being scum is weak .For example you say that think he is scum bc you are always right thus he is scum or something like that. I think you also game your game record as a reason if I remember right. Also I came to the conclusion that it is very unlikely if he was scum it is possible but unlikely he would tunnel someone all day he new would flip town. Its possible Nom is scum I just dont find it more likely than not. This is why I think he is town.I cant speak for anyone else.

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Fuzzyedit- I think you also used your game record as a reason if I remember right.

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@ PB

Run is MIA is is being replaced.....

As far as me hammering 2pac it came to a) the rationale that a lynch would be better than a no lynch bc we would atleast be able to get a read or two 2) I was pressured and manipulated by Regs to lynch 2pac ... 3) the town seem to agree that a no lynch would really hurt the town. I felt that we needed a lynch.....

I know you cant answer for your predecessor....but he was the one who started the 2pac wagon. Nom was the only one on it and I would say if he did not jump on the wagon with Nom 2pac would still be still alive....More likely than not Satan or Nom would of been lynched. Saying all that what do you make of Regs sudden push on 2Pac with the help of Skelda? Just looking for your opinion so please do not take this as an attack.

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Welcome Klick


I dont know....I dont see them killing off a replacement ie Klick. Not sure if there any value in that kill. The only reason remotely possible is that they would not want a radom factor inserted so late in the game. Unless Klick is somehow scum than I would guess that he was spared bc he had no value as a kill.

I wonder if they figured that PB would seem still be consider town despite his action so they killed him off . I dont see PB gathering enough votes to garner a lynch.
Interesting that Ree survived the night. I would think he would be the most obvious kill. PB all but hinted that Ree kill would be a Nom lynch. If I was scum I would of offed Ree without thought. Why would the scum not take the nicely wrapped gift? This seem very odd to me.

More thoughts later....

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I am just noticed it was odd that Ree is still alive, I found it odd and wanted to others thought if this. i guess it is possible Ree is scum I think at this point i should consider anything possible. I do think it is not likely. I think it is likely Ree is alive bc killing him would make Nom a huge target. So if Nom is scum it is a very good reason we could be seeing Ree alive.

I also think Nom is wrong. I do not think that PB would be considered despite his rash hammering. Maybe I a being naive . I think the scum knew that a PB wagon was not likely .

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Klick---- can you give any other reason that Nom didnt think about his words except for the time difference between his log on and his post. I am not saying your are wrong about you analysis of Nom posts but I would like a bit more info about reasoning.
Also what basis do you have me marked as scum.?? You seem to be giving very little evidence for your theories and I would like to try to understand where you are coming from?

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Kinda of quiet in here.....

maybe the scum are hiding out hoping to get a no lynch since they can not get a quick lynch. I might be wrong but a no lynch would also give them the win so maybe thats their back up plan.

@Ree- If you look at me you can see that I am as townie as one can be. I have done everything a good townie I could . But I welcome you to investigate me. Go through my ISO as much as you want..I believe once you do that you will see Im on the town side.

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The question is why they killed PB was NK...

1) As Nom theorized ..that they didi not think that PB would be lynched on day 3 and so they killed someone else
2) They didnt care who they killed bc they were over confidence in their ability to lynch the believed that could lynch anyone and win the game
3) They were trying to frame somebody with the NK

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edit ...
so they killed PB

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@ Nom if that is what you are doing than thats fine..but just bc I post doesnt mean I have not been doing the same thing. Of course i doubt you are looking over the ISO since you you are convinced scum ... Atleast however I am willing look for evidence for people guilt instead of claiming someone is scum and than finding evidence to fit a narrow view point. You did this with 2Pac. Look what that got us. Your evidence I am scum , is not that PB flipped town but that the mere fact he was killed. I just find this weak evidence at best. While I disagree with Ree conclusion I am probably scum at least he is trying to use some rational logic.

I find it a bit hard to figure out roles since one players such a Regs seems really scummy while PB did not have that scummy feel. Not use to the having so many replacement. not quite sure how to read a player in that situation.

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The only reason I could think that I am alive is that the scum think i am a good lynch target......

I think Ree is more than likely town. I guess he could be scum but its unlikely......I think it possible that Ree is alive bc Nom is scum and killing Ree would incriminate him. Cant say that this is the case but at this point i have to look at the possibility. Since I know I am town and Ree is most likely town that only leaves Satan, Nom and Klick as possible scum in my opinion.

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Nom- Im still not following your logic....you make it sound like was the only bad NK and that that the scum are dumb bc they picked PB for the night kill. I see two possibility....one is that you are tunneling your views like you did with 2Pac or that you are scum trying to frame somebody with the PB night kill. As far as being As far as being cautious or aggressive these seem more like playing style rather than any indication of guilt.

@ Nom and Ree- I think Satan asked a kinda interesting question about why you think you may be alive. I would be interested in your opinions on the question if you dont mind.

I dont want to go into details but I think Klick might be MIA.....I cant go into detail bc of being possible Modkilled but i have reasons to believe this.

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Also since we are at LYLO wouldn't we be cautious anyways , so that PB would not be an automatic lynch candidate....like you are trying to make it seems. I am concern about you motivation for trying to make it seem like PB was a mistake for the scum since it is seems like you are pushing the PB night kill to be bad as excuse to set me up to be lynched.

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@ nom so how does that make me scum.....You seem to be pushing very hard for me being scum with the PB NK. This feel like bad rationale or maybe even scummy.

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Yes I overacted....but it was out of frustration. You tend to tunnel. Alos I was worried that Ree. Satan , or klick would blindly follow your logic without followit totally through. I dont want to be mislynched like 2Pac was.

this is where Noms logic has holes.

1) Nom joined a few months before me, if we follow his logic than it posible that he could of made the same mistake.
2) he assumes that bc someone is new they are not smart enough to see such an obvious possibilities as a Pb lynch. Just bc someone is new does not mean they dont understand pyscology or stratergy.
3)his theory only takes in tha account tnat noobs would make a mistake and that more expierence players are not orones to mistake
4) assumes that I am a comp, ete noob and I have no expierence at all
5) assumes that the scum killed Pb bc of poor straterby as opposed ti having otber motivations
6)assumes that the PB kill was the only posibly bad night kill
7) forgets the fact since we are at Lylo that if Pb was alive he would not be the only lynching canidates


for now I am going to drop the matter. I think I will investigate the possibility that Klick went Mia on purpose

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1) You joined in Jan of 2013 , I joined in Aug 2013 ...that is 7 months. that is not 4x the time. That if we are going on just the time we played on the site. Not the fact I only claim I am more a nob to the site than the game itself. I have always claimed that I have played this game before but never really had the time or the attention to get good at it. Your whole case against me is merely based on Im a noob ( and since killling PB was a noob move )thus I must be scum .

2) What this is just the notion that since it is not the move you would not make or maybe just saying you wouldnt make ( I dont know ) than the person is a noob or scum.) Just like just bc Ree did not play the way thought an Ic should play you automatically labeled him a bad player/You did the same thing with 2Pac. People play the way you think they should or they are bad players or even scum...thats atleast what I have gathered from your post

3) After you called Rees a bad player and started to finger him you changed your mind. Seems like you follow whatever is convenient to your beliefs and make the facts fit those beliefs. How Im I freaking out. I am making calm rationale arguement against your statement. I am not sure how I am freaking out

4) Once again the PB Nk has to be a noobie mistake,,, there is no other possibilities. Since its a noobie mistake than that automatically make me and Satan scum.

5) Yes , but you are amusing that there is only one way to win the game..... Im not going say that leaving PB alive might have been the easiest lynch but there are different possibilities and factors that the scum might of factored in and thought that another night kill might of given them a better chance. Yes might be right and killing PB was a nob mistake but I can not see how you can sit there and say it was the only real move the scum could make. As far as we know we might be reacting the exact way they want us too. Only the scum knows what they wee thinking when they killed PB.

6) Once again my theory is the only correct one reply. This seems to be your only defense for my rebuttal of your accusations against me.

Seems like you are stuck in your own reality distortion field.

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What do you think of Klick being scum....Ree said he posted but it seems he has not posted here/// Not saying it is nessarily scummy but being LYLO maybe he figures he hide out and wait till we tear ourselves apart.

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I think argueing whether it was an odd or even the most obvious choice is pointless ..... we will just go around in circle. Almost everyone agrees on these points, even me.

Lets than assume that killing PB was not the best move.

Heres the possibilities I can see why the scum killed PB

1) as Nom said they scum did not realize that keeping PB was the best choice .
2) the scum figured that since PB was the best lynch target for day the town would think that why he was kept alive . He was a quick lynch possibilty and the town would not vote for him.
3) they had a personal grudge against PB and killing him overshadowed any other matter
4) they afraid that PB would indite them and would cause the town to lynch him....thus keeping him was more than a risk than a libility

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Edit.... should of them not him.

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if Klick is an uninterested player ( since we deduced he is not doing this on purpose)

so either
a) he an uninterested townie
b) an uninterested scum

I hate that there is not much we can do.....and that Klick has the town fate in his hands. If Klick is town than I think Mods needs to reconsider him being in games bc this does not seem like the only time he jas disappeared during the game.

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just noticed that Satan...was online today and did not post anything. I not sure if he was just trying to catch up on the posts or if he was lurking or something else.....just wanted to add this so it will be noted when the game get rolling again.

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Im just reacting to Noms Post . Anyways how is this not the case since everyone is waiting for you to post and gives us reads and evidence.....I dont see how I am jumping logic .

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@ Klick....So either you are scum or you are town and have the town fate in your hands....I can not see another option.

and while I am glad you are posting I wish you would read and do more research before nailing someone as scum.

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@ Rees

Town

Ree

Town??

Nom
Klick

Scum

Satan

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@ Klick.....

How ...since SD is more likely than not extend the deadline the scum cant run out of time...and unless the scum can talk to each other during the time the cant strategies. . Maybe you can explain.....

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reedit .....will extend the deadline..
Cant run out time

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Also how can you make such a sure claim I an=m scum based on one post while admitting that you have not done a a good read through .....??

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ugh.....this is starting to be just painful. I know people get busy but if you figure out that you wont have time for the game , I cant understand how hard it is to PM the game Mod and tell him/her that you need to be replaced out..

Thank you Nom and Ree for sticking through this game and being fairly active. You have pretty much have kept the game alive. Also thanks SD. You are doing a good job. You just got unlucky and ended up with people who got to busy or maybe just lost interest in the game. Not your fault. I would not mind joining in another of your game when you host again. Keep up the good work man

Now back to the game

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I dont know what happened to Satan.....he went MIA for some reason and Klick posts than disappears for awhile than post again. Dont know what going on with him.

the way I see it we have three choices

1) lynch someone now and hope for the best
2) wait it out and hope the replacements are active and dont draw the game longer than needed ( longer than the time deadline)
3) say forget and call it a draw( dont know if thats possible)

@ Ree I dont see that happening since Nom wants to wait. i can understand why.

Klick is almost at 2 and a half right now. I do not see him showing up without being prodded. I am afraid that Klick will appear and disappear again if prodded. Whether or not he doing it on purpose or not he dragging out the game.

To be honest I am debating being replaced out bc this game is just dragging on and on without any real reason to believe it has an ending point. My ADD mind is getting bored.

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I should say on 2 where we need to extend the deadline over and over again.

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@ Satan- I am pretty sure that Rees is Town and I know I am town so that leaves Klick , Nom and You. I just have a stonger town read on Nom and Klick ( at that time). So that means by deduction you must me scum.Plus you have been lurking all game.

I just dont like how Klick came in posted a few comments and than disappeared. I thought maybe he is a disinterested townie but I am really starting to wonder if he just trying to run down the clock. Plus he came in accused me of being scum based on one comment than disappeared. He admitted however he had not even attempted to read any other part of the game/. Maybe he is just an uninterested townie but I am leaning toward scum.

Maybe I am wrong but it seems if we lynch Klick and Satan we win the game.....

FOS

Klick
Satan

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seems like Klick maybe he can maybe wait till the last moment and swoop down and lynch the target , run down the clock or wait for a no kill which would win the game for the scum......

saying that I think I might be wiling to consider a Klick lynch or possible Satan lynch.

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ok explain why I am scum again Nom?????

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Honestly I do not know what to make of everything

Nom- votes me as scum bc the scum did not vote the way he would of so it must be a newbie mistake.....Since I am new I must be scum,,,,, I find this argument very weak. Either Nom is a town who has a habit of tunneling people based on poor logic or he scum and is playing us all as fools

Satan- I was sure he was scum but I have to open up that Nom might be scum as unlikely as it seems. Saying that i need to rethink my deductive reasoning. Plus he excuse for logging on makes some sense. I still think he prob scum but I would like to give him a little more time to defend himself and tell us why he is scum

Ree- is the only one I am almost 100 percent sure is town

Klick- I just dont like Klick playing. He shows up just enough not to be replaced , makes a very bad excuse to label me scum and than disappear. He is the only one I feel right now since I had him and Satan as Scum


Since we are running out of time and it seems we at the point where we are voting

Klick

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Vote Klick

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Edit/I meant why he is town sorry

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@ Klick

wow....Klick can you get any more scummy. You come in and swoop in hoping that Rees will vote for me to end the game or maybe have your Scum buddy swoop in and put the fatal vote on me. Oh and the whole 30 minutes cover in order to make it seem like you are giving me a chance defend myself is weak. You reek scum in my opinion.

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and why should I vote Nom when I believe that it is a possibility he is scum while i feel like I have a stronger read on You.

I guess we are waiting for Rees and Satan to make up their mind .

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Hmm..you have been MIA almost all game than all of the sudden when we get to get a critical moment in the game you decide..hey Im going to be really active now..... I find that a bit funny. You vote at best is a OMGUS vote however I have have a gut feeling you did it bc you saw Noms vote as an opportunity. Why should i not believe this is the case when your case is that I am scum is based on very little evidence or reason/. You give me 30 minutes to respond. If you were serious about getting good reads you would of given me more time. It is obvious that you just using that excuse to try to make yourself not look scummy. we have another day.and a half.... I dont see how a few hours for me to try to give a response to your post is asking to much. You just sheep people. Nom was focused on me so what do you do, you come up with a weak case based on one comment and declare it was scummy. Than when Nom votes for me you come and vote for me with no real reason or evidence.

I have thought you possible scum all day and if you have read the posts you would of known that. I have been trying to figure out if somehow my read were wrong. I also posted at least once that i thought if we lynched you and Satan we win the game. I guess the only thing I should of done better is to have a little more faith in my reads instaed of talking myself out of it....thats the reason i had you as a possible read

and by what proof do you have I am scum..I have more respect for Noms theory atleast it has plausibility and tries to give some prrof how I am scum while you just seem to be throwing out accusation

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There is no reason to put a vote on Nom non the less a OMGUS vote. I cant believe you suggested I should do that Klick. As far as Satan he responded to why he seemed to be lurking which is one reason i FOS him and the other is that Nom ( though unlikely) was scum. I have suspected you all day so my vote on you should not be a total suprised if you had read the back post

Oh how did I claim scum....You have yet to give solid proof i am scum more likely than not.

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@ klick

1) You have probably posted about 3 post in the last 10 days than today you posted 3 now 4 post in one day. I just find this sudden surge of activity odd especially close to the deadline and now that the extension has not been extended.

2) Well I did not vote for you after you voted for me....I did vote for you after you accused me but thats also after I deliberated whether you were scum and not. You accusing me had nothing with me voting for you

3) Thats fine , you didnt .... but it seems from the way you posted it seemed like your vote was determine atleast a little bit rather I responded or not.

4) Not exactly.. I stated my case against you and voted. I did ask or determine my vote on you posting. Now if you gave me a reason to unvote you I would of. So maybe I was hypocritical but I dont think so.

5)I did respond....In 977.

6) True... but I have been active all day..read posts , posted reads and interacted to try to figure out who was scum. Sorry but even admitted you have not read the back post. How I am or anybody else suppose to believe your scum read based on read on a few posts.If you had atleast try to read some of the days post it would be different

7) I was the one who made a post you were lurking way back toward the begining of the day. Nom said that it was unlikely you were scum who was lirking so i backed off but after a while I reconsidered the lurking possibility

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should say the first 10 days or so......

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Im the doctor....

My role became kinda of useless after the we lynched the town cop. All i could do was hope to stop the scum from NKing townies. Night 1 I protected Archie it was honestly a random guess. Night 2 was another wild guess and I picked skelda. I was kinda of surprised that he was killed. I thought the scum maybe had a RB but i didnt know how to say that without ousting myself as the doctor. Night three I picked Nom to protect figuring that he or Rees were the most likely target .I did not think they would target Run bc he was being replaced / The only reason I could think that the scum picked PB was they thought that there was a doc so they killed PB..I dont figure out any other reason why he was the target. If Satan is scum i dont know why he has not lynched me...If thats the case than either Rees or Nom has to be scum.

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The reason i did not claim when i almost was lynched on day 1 was I figured if i somehow manage to get myself out of the mess I got myself into I would be totally useless..... I also thought 2pac was the cop bc he was giving some tells that made me think that but I double guessed myself and thought that he was most likely just a newbie trying to RP . I should of followed my instinct and refused to hammer

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Hmm..... I guess no use pretending anymore huh...... Cant believe I screwed up that badly. I was actually doing pretty well.......though Im am still really horrible at this game. I can only hope that the clock runs out or that my scum partner wont get caught which he wont . He is too good to get caught. So even though I messed up I think we still won the game

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Man I suck at this game, Btw way it was my idea to kill PB not my partner

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just wondering if I would of i had not messed up on the number of days would of you second guess me as scum Mr. Rees////

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also where can i pick up my award for being to worst newbie scum ever????

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Fine if you going to be a jerk about it than fine...... Why dont you stop pretending and admit that you are my partner. Serve you right for celebrating when your scum buddies get caught. Cant wait till you get lynched and the town wins the game,,,,, serve you right.

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like you....you wait I only called you townie like a hundred time or so....

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oh wait....

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Taking a moment away from the game ....Now that I am done feeling sorry for myself. whatever happens I just want to say it has been fun playing against everyone....You all made the game interesting and fun minus the time where people disappeared and I almost died of boredom. Stupid ADD/ADHD. The truth be told the only one I would not want to play in another game with would be Klick bc he seems to disappears sometimes. Nothing personal man. Anyways thank yall for a good game.

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1) Nom would of prob been the best NK ...SHY thought Nom was a pointless kill and so I went along with him. I think I needed to think it out more.
2) I figured that I was dead anyways so the claim was just throwing against the wall hoping it would stick. Should of won an award if i got away with it.
3) Lynching me/ not lynching me was a gambit. If he didnt lynch me than if Klick hammered me SHY would of been busted. Than again there was always a chance Klick would of not made the deadline/ There no hard feelings. It was a hard choice

For all the suspicion and near lynching it funny how far I got. Either lucky or Iam a better player than I thought.


The only real negative is the large amount of subs and inactivity. Kind of put a bummer on the game. Still was great playing with everyone/


and Graet job P on getting the win for the team!

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also great job hosting SD... There always going to be some bumps along the way but ai thought you did well/