Newbie 1433 - Game Over

[Ranawey]

VOTE: Nominull

I don't want nulls on my game!

[Ranawey]

Also, good luck and have fun! I'm quite excited about this.

[Ranawey]

It's easy, you have to VOTE: player[/ vote]; without spaces.

RVS isn't serious, just random voting until someones finds a real reason to vote

[Ranawey]

@Archaebob

Is that a vote off the RVS?

[Ranawey]

Well, you

really

seemed quite nervous. It can be serious.

[Ranawey]

UNVOTE

VOTE: SatanHellYeah

[Ranawey]

Is that an OMGUS? Real question for more experienced players.

[Ranawey]

Well, I feel bad, I just wanted to put some pressure, haha

unvote

[Ranawey]

@Skelda
I've played some irl mafia, but it was never really serious. I've also played on EpicMafia, but we all know that it isn't a good parameter for knowing how to play the game. I've also commonly play on globalgamers' #mafia irc channel, and in freenode's ##werewolf.

[Ranawey]

@Skelda
I've played some irl mafia, but it was never really serious. I've also played on EpicMafia, but we all know that it isn't a good parameter for knowing how to play the game.

I've

also commonly play on globalgamers' #mafia irc channel, and in freenode's ##werewolf.

I*

Sorry, I don't like typos.

[Ranawey]

The problem is that doing that can be called omgus. Is not a solid reason to lynch, and it loses more meaning if we're all new, could be total noobtown. I just wanted to test your reaction, putting some pressure on you. I was afraid you will keep scumtelling without being scum, so that's why I unvoted. That doesn't mean you aren't scum, but I think it will be easier to read you when you get more confident on your play. Or maybe it will be harder to read you. But, oh well, there's plenty of game to be played yet!

Also, excuse if my grammar sucks sometimes, english is not my native language.



PEdit: @Skelda: I'm currently neutral about Satan, he can be noobscumtelling, or he could actually trying to wifom. (correct me if I use the wrong words)
I don't have many reads on the other players, since we mostly discussed about Satan. I'm towntelling you so far.


PEdit2: Yeah, I would be interested in that answer, too, Mr. Ree

[Ranawey]

(Gah! I'm really excited about this.)

[Ranawey]

It's kinda ridiculous, but I'm towntelling Mr_Ree hard. Will explain later.

[Ranawey]

[quote="In post 55It's because of the top hat, isn't it.[/quote]

Fuck, I laughed.

Anyways, why does my way of analyzing you gives you the creeps?

[Ranawey]

Serious vote? He's not even trying to start a bandwagon...

[Ranawey]

What I mean is, would you care to explain why do you think that is worth a serious vote?

[Ranawey]

Yeah, I agree on that.

VOTE: 2Pac

[Ranawey]

I'm not policy lynching anybody. I just find scummy that his reason to vote Null is because he rvs someone who hasn't confirmed yet.

[Ranawey]

Oh, nevermind, I misunderstood Null's vote. Yeah, we won't policy lynch, it even isn't that annoying. I find it quite funny.

[Ranawey]

@2Pac err, I agreed that the policy lynch vote was kinda lame. But! You voted for him because he voted for someone not confirmed. And you're telling me you scumread him because of the combination of the two.

If we gonna get carried over with omgus, we might as well get satan... as explained above, I think many of us are kinda nervious because ir's our first game.

[Ranawey]

I can't take seriously that you are off RVS voting someone with such a poor excuse.

Yah, you have more reasons, so I do understand your vote now.

I'll keep my vote there, for now.

[Ranawey]

Thanks for the link, archaebob!

What do you think about 2Pac and Null?

[Ranawey]

Wait, what.

@Satan
Why do you strongly think that Skelda is scum? Seriously, I've re-read the thread, and I don't find anything really scummy on his posts...

[Ranawey]

@2Pac
Well, read the links archaebob posted, the one who Rampage wrote is more important, and I think that you'll understand. It's my only reason to townread him. (Yeah, I meant townread, not towntell, heh).
I want to read more about Null before voting him.

PEdit:

@Satan
Well, implying he's town, he may have been carried with your behaviour and now that he's thinking more calm, he's not that sure about your scumminess. I think he didn't said anything about you being super scummy after showing carefulness.

[Ranawey]

I'll

UNVOTE

, tho.

[Ranawey]

@Satan
I'd like you to quote from here something that backs that up, and please, explain in detail: http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 2#p5309066

[Ranawey]

@Satan
I'd like you to quote from here something that backs that up, and please, explain in detail: http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 2#p5309066

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 2#p5309066

[Ranawey]

Well, I suck at links hahaha. Check Skelda's ISO.

[Ranawey]

@archaebob

I'm not really sure how to answer that. May I have some time to think?

[Ranawey]

Well, now it's clear to me. Thanks.

[Ranawey]

Town wants to scumhunt and scum wants town to think they're scumhunting? I think that scum tries to make town's work harder.

[Ranawey]

Mhm, that also is true.

Maybe because scum has more information they tend to fill holes while 'scumhunting' easier than town?

[Ranawey]

Or holes town could never fill with certainty.

[Ranawey]

Wow, that was a nice read, archaebon. Thanks. I've never seen a game where someone was so open and dedicated to show this tips.

I'm currently on my mobile, I'll read the other posts if I can get in a computer. I have a 24 hours trip by bus, I hope I can plug my laptop :p

[Ranawey]

I'll be v/la until I fix my laptop or return home, sorry guys :c

[Ranawey]

How funny, it suddenly started to work. Anyways, I'm on a trip, will try to catch up, but excuse me if I'm not able to.

[Ranawey]

I like how Nominull's posts are only 2Pac related, mechanics related and

[quote=Nominull]You can click the "activity overview" link in the bottom right to see when each player's last post was.[/quote]


VOTE: Nominull

[Ranawey]

Why do I always fuck up when I try to bbcode? ;_;

Gonna read the thread now.

[Ranawey]

Regarding 2Pac, I think he may be town. Didn't understand his reasons to vote Nominull, but he did his best to explain himself, even with that gimmick (I love it, btw).

About the Mr_Ree's RT, I thought it was an RT from the beginning, and I think it was a good strat. Satan didn't reacted as expected, so he may be town too.

Skelda pushing on archaebob because his 'wall of theory' seems dumb. I have to read more from archaebob, anyways. I see your point, but I don't feel like archaebob would fall for that.

Blahblahblah '2pac is annoying fillery'.


1. How much mafia have you played on site? offsite?
This is my first game. I've played a lot on EpicMafia (it sucks but it's entertaining sometimes) and in GlobalGamer's irc chat (it's fun as hell)

2. How much mafia have you played in meatworld?
I've played a lot with my family but it was never that serious We only played with townies, cop, doctor and mafiosos. It was fun.

3. Have you read any onsite games for fun?
I've read many mini theme games, because I liked the mechanics. Also read a lot of bastard mod games, I'd like to take part in one of those, haha.

4. What is your favorite color?
Dark Green


PEdit:
@Archaebob: I have a town feeling coming from him, just because he never seems 100% secure about his thoughts. Yeah, it's an easy way to towntell while being scum, but I can trust him for the moment.

[Ranawey]

Well, now that I think about it, Fuzzy should be more secure about his thoughts, since we are in Day 1 and we need to put pressure on our FoSes to get info.

[Ranawey]

Oh, look! Nominull is ignoring my vote and still talking about policies and mechanics!

[Ranawey]

Wow, I guess I could never do something like that, but I dig your RT.

My question is, do you still think that archaebob is scum?


ninjaedit: Damn you, archaebob, ninjaing my posts.

[Ranawey]

@Satan

Well, he's trying to push the policy lynch AND not contributing. It's either scum or useless stubborn townie.

[Ranawey]

And he's ignoring me!

[Ranawey]

We don't want an easy lynch, Skelda, we want a correct lynch, and he's the scummiest to me right now. Why do you think we want an 'easy lynch'?

@Fuzzy
Well, it's not a good lead, but scum tend to play more secure since they know who are their partners and who are town. Town doesn't know this, so they usually aren't that secure about their votes because they might be scumreading a fellow villager.

[Ranawey]

Yeah, Fuzzy, you should drop that lead on sthar's RT being scummy.

[Ranawey]

No one willing to defend him? I think that he has to defend by himself, and he didn't even tried to.

[Ranawey]

Sorry, Nominull, if you're really playing to your win condition, you should do something else than tunneling 2Pac. Maybe he has to stop for the good of the town. But YOU should, too. You are not doing that.

[Ranawey]

If Nominull is really town, I can't see the reason why 2Pac isn't too. And you think that Fuzzy's a better lynch? Just because he disagrees with sthar's rt? Well, I do get that bob and fuzzy could be scumteam and fuzzy is afraid to lose his more experienced partner, but what are the chances? He isn't the only one who reacted at sthar's rt.

[Ranawey]

I'm not questioning your vote, I'm questioning you ignoring people's reason to vote you and your possible

incoming

lynch.

[Ranawey]

Oh, only Fuzzy and Archaebob are voting for sthar if I'm not wrong. Welp, that doesn't put you guys in a good position. I can see a Fuzzy/bob scumteam. I'll wait for more reads.

[Ranawey]

Friendo, it isn't a win win if both of you are townies.

[Ranawey]

Also, are you having some trouble to write or I'm that drunk?

[Ranawey]

I can't understand shit of what you're saying. I guess I should go to sleep, heh.

[Ranawey]

Oh shit, yeah, I remembered about the translator shit. Welp, you're being an annoying prick and not even trying to do shit. At least 2Pac is giving 'legit' reasons for his vote.

[Ranawey]

Well, gotta defend the people who I think are town, right? I see your point, anyways.

[Ranawey]

Forgive my agressivity this night, I'm trying not to get that drunk.

[Ranawey]

It could be possible, but they aren't doing a great work..

[Ranawey]

2Pac 'non sense' was actually more accessible than you 'translator' shit, and he did say something of value. You are stubborn as fuck, mate. That means that you're scum grasping of sympathy, or just a townie gamethrowing.

[Ranawey]

your*

[Ranawey]

Seriously, Nominull, stop this. You are being a worst player than the one you think is bad.

[Ranawey]

And to everybody who's saying 'Nominull is an easy lynch, scum must be on those votes', feel free to read the isos of anyone voting him and his iso, and tell me if Nominull is acting pro-town at all.

[Ranawey]

(fuck, I'd go because of this quantity of alcohol in my blood stream, but I really love this)

[Ranawey]

Well, Nominull might be scum, and he'd happy to hear that thanks to his stubborness he was dropped off the scumdar.

[Ranawey]

Mhm, oh well.

UNVOTE:

[Ranawey]

Oh, happy birthday Bob!

I'll reread the thread.

[Ranawey]

@ Reese_ still getting use to reaction test. Have never seen them use before . I played occansionally but but itwas just for pure fun. Im trying to figure out if I realy believe you are doing a reaction test or just BSing saying you were to make yourself look good.

unvote Archie

2Pac- I am starting to take Skelda side on this . You dont seem all that interested in playing and more interested in RPing. I ask you a simple task and you refuse. Not even that but you went deep into your RPing mode. You want people to sheep you without any good reason. You claim people are playing poorly but are playing really poor yourself.
You say sheep me every post as if you are saying look at me I am a townie , see I am scumhunting. I was not even looking to see if you were scummy bc I felt you were just a bad townie.

I just wanted to see how you would react to being asked to defend your vote.

Either you are a bad townie or bad scum. As you might say You cant get no cred until you earn on the street.

I dont know about the Null wagon. He kind of seems like an easy target and that is why he getting votes. Looking for someone to prove me wrong.

The last two were reaction tests to see how you would react as well to get you to focus ,. I think my method sort of works.

You learned quite fast!

[Ranawey]

Excuse my double/triple/quadruple posts, I do really have to do something with my thoughts, heh.

Anyways, I've spotted what it seems like a lie from Fuzzy while checking his ISO. And it's the only lie I've spotted in the whole thread so far.

VOTE: Fuzzy

[Ranawey]

@Fuzzy, what about my accusation?

@Skelda, I didn't like your tone

[Ranawey]

@Fuzzy, already did.

ninjaedit: I was the one sure about fuzzy's innocence, till I spotted his little lie.

[Ranawey]

@Fuzzy, 5 posts and now you're master rt?

[Ranawey]

Well, I think that you explained yourself, and for now, I'll trust you. Also, I share Bob's thoughts on Skelda

Unvote

VOTE: Skelda

[Ranawey]

Satan's thoughs on Skelda, I meant.

[Ranawey]

Fuzzy is L-3 right now.

[Ranawey]

Why that aggression at everybody?

[Ranawey]

Ffs, Nominull, I try not to read you as scum but it's like you try harder and harder.

[Ranawey]

...............................................................................................

Unvote

VOTE: Nominull

[Ranawey]

Realistically, if you don't accept the possibility of the Day 1 lynch being town, you're just fooling yourself. You don't have any solid evidence to go on, it's very hard to rule out someone's innocence completely. We have to accept the reality of the situation.

And there's no real reason to treat 2Pac as innocent, in particular. He doesn't post all that often and when he does his poetic puffery tends to crowd out the actual content of his posts.

I feel like you're treating being annoying as proof of innocence, which is both a bad incentive to provide and also just wrong on the facts.

Note: you're annoying and you don't seem that innocent.

[Ranawey]

It's not because his hyper focus on 2Pac. It's because he's not playing to his win condition if town.

[Ranawey]

@Skelda

I do see 2Pac contributing.

318 is town.

Yeah, it's silly, he's not taking any pressure apparently. I got carried away.

Unvote

I'm going to sleep soon, gonna re-read the last pages tomorrow and see where I place my vote.

[Ranawey]

Guess I have to work on my scumhunting, heh. I do agree with Regfan. Anyways, I'm not that sure about the player slot, but it's been a while since I've read archaebob's ISO, so might as well do that after lunch if able.

VOTE: Skelda

[Ranawey]

EBWOP

with Regfan's vote*

[Ranawey]

Oh, and welcome Regfan!

[Ranawey]

Oh, I should be more cautious with that.

I agree in most of your town reads. I'm not that sure about Ree, because I can't read him at all.

Nominull is completely anti-town for me till he starts contributing. About Post 223 and 258, I'd probably do that as scum, I don't read that as a towntell. Also, I wouldn't trust meta yet, since he did nothing through the whole day.

[Ranawey]

I really can't rationalize Nominull's play as you Fuzzy, sorry.

I feel like Ree loves reactions tests, more than being agressive.

[Ranawey]

@Fuzzy
He's null to me.

Townfishing should be town, since maf don't need to fish for townies.

@Skelda
That's the only thing you have to say against Reg's arguements?

[Ranawey]

Aren't we all 'lynch fishing'?

Skelda, as well as Nominull, said that 2Pac not contributed. I disagree. Skelda voted for Bob because he pulled the IC card. Skelda found 2Pac scummy and Nominull stubborn town, yet Nominull is not doing anything besides trying to get 2Pac policy lynched. I've said that I was on V/LA and couldn't read the 2/3 pages were written when I coulnd't access the thread, and still he called me on that. I don't see any valid reasons he was so sure about you being scum. Once again, defended Nominull as stubborn town, then, in the same post he says he doesn't care about Nominull. Because I defended 2Pac I might be his scumpartner, as Skelda said. I can say the same about Nominull and Skelda. He wanted to see you or bob dead today, and I don't see his reasons as valid to do that. He tried to strawman (not sure if that is the word) Satan.

Well, I know it's a bit deorganized, but I was reading his ISO and posting my thoughts about it.

I can see a Skelda-Nominull scumteam, but as I've already said, I'm null on Nominull since I can't read someone who is doing nothing.

[Ranawey]

Or I can, but I feel like every arguement against him is being dropped because the ways he acts. He only 'towntelled' what Reg linked, but I don't feel like that is a real towntell, since I've used that arguement a lot on irc mafia and such. Nominull is null because he might really be a stubborn townie, or he can be maf because of those reads.

[Ranawey]

Oh, argument*. Sorry.

[Ranawey]

Yeah, what's going on people? It's like you disappeared, heh.

I see what you mean, Fuzzy, but I don't feel like Ree is doing that particularly, at least, not yet.

[Ranawey]

You keep talking about easy lynchs rather than effective lynchs. 2Pac isn't as useless as Nominull is. We are unreasonable? You weren't helpful about that, since we are 'unreasonable' because you scumtelled too much.

[Ranawey]

Sorry about my absence, there's a lot of things going on irl.

I've got a feeling that we can't trust Regfan at all, he seems too townsided, but oh well, I can't be sure, it's just a feeling.

Anyways, he did spot satan's scumslip, and I agree with that, and also feel dumb because of not noticing it, heh. Anyways, I won't put him on L-1 until he answers Reg's accusations.

I'll just unvote for now.

Unvote

[Ranawey]

Why don't we lynch you and then we decide about Skelda? Same stuff.

[Ranawey]

Also, your reaction to bob's replacement could be seen as scummy, since you had scumreads on him and wanted a lynch after Skelda's.

[Ranawey]

And what if Skelda flips town?

[Ranawey]

It isn't because your aggressivity, it's because your slip.

[Ranawey]

...

Ok, guys, I agree on Satan's lynch.

[Ranawey]

Satan, read reg's accusations, it's mainly based on you wanting to get lynched Bob someday.

[Ranawey]

and then you say you never thought he was scum.

[Ranawey]

Agh, I'm confused. I don't have time to re-read everything right now, will do later this day if able.

[Ranawey]

VOTE: Satan

[Ranawey]

@Fuzzy
Have you read anything before my vote?

@Nominull
Oh, I thought I did explained. Well, he kept repeating the slot was scum, since bob's action could be taken as scummy, with his reasoning. When bob gets replaced, and he says he's not happy with that, he knows that probably the one replacing him, knowing it's town, won't "scumtell" as bob did. Satan loses the one he wanted to get rid of.

I hope it's understandable, I don't know what's happening to my mind today, and my grammar is sucking more than ever.

[Ranawey]

@Fuzzy
I wanted to read Satan's responses to Reg's accusations, since I agreed with Reg. Wasn't happy with his response. Got confused. Gave a little of thought, then voted.

[Ranawey]

@2Pac

Any specific thoughts on Satan?

[Ranawey]

I... I have to do this.

[Ranawey]

I'm quite sleepy, so sorry if I missed it, but, what if Nominull flips town?

[Ranawey]

It just feels weird that a game can be solved this soon.

[Ranawey]

@Satan
Simply town? Wait for someone else to ask this, anyways, because I'm not sure if it helps town or not.

[Ranawey]

Not sure if newb or scum playing dumb.

[Ranawey]

@Skelda
Do you realize that if Satan flips town you're fucked if you keep saying this things, eh?

[Ranawey]

EBWOP
these*

[Ranawey]

@Ree
Well, he isn't the only one defending Nominull. And I think you're the only one defending Satan...

[Ranawey]

@Skelda
Why'd you give hammer to Satan?

[Ranawey]

I do have to agree with Reg here, these last days I've townread Nominull. It's a shame he's playing this bad, we got lucky he tunneled onto one of the highly likely scum.

I may have turned lazy about scumhunting since I agree with a lot of Reg said. I know I have to step it up, I feel like I did nothing these last days.

Since 2Pac is still L-2

unvote

VOTE: 2Pac

Anyways, I'm not liking Skelda's vibes.

Also, Reg, you said that Skelda was the one most likely to be scum and then you say he is not one of the most likely to be scum. How's that?

[Ranawey]

Ebwop
Now he is L-2, I've misread the VC

[Ranawey]

Also, if 2Pac flips town, we will be able to get more reads on Nominull

[Ranawey]

3 wagons? Less than 1 day to d/l?

Satan, you know what you did?

[Ranawey]

Skelda, I state intent to hammer, please claim.

[Ranawey]

(@Satan: 'THANK YOU STHAR, GOD MUST HAVE SENT YOU' - Weren't you Satan?)

[Ranawey]

Meh, it was something similar to sthar's rt.

[Ranawey]

Mhm.

[Ranawey]

Welp, if you're scum, you're putting yourself in the spot if 2Pac flips scum and you're not voting for him. If he flips town, we'll see.

[Ranawey]

I hope that we are all here at least 1 hour before deadline. I've got the feeling that this will result in a nolynch.

[Ranawey]

Intent to hammer, if 2Pac doesn't answer before you have to go, hammer.

[Ranawey]

Skelda, it's like you're desperate that lynch anybody that's not you and find every excuse to be 'good reasoning'. Last time I read the thread, this was the last post:

Gah!

VOTE: SatanHellYeah. I am still convinced. And Nomni, give us your reads right now.

Why are you convinced Mr Satan is scum? I would like to hear your case against him in your next post. You dont have a leg to stand on here. he is so town its not even funny.

So, I wanted to wait till you answered. And you did. And now I'm here writing.

Your reasoning to vote Satan because you believed Reg's case from

yesterday.

The Reg dropped the case, as Ree said.

Today

, you vote Satan because the case Reg dropped

yesterday

.

Aha.

UNVOTE: Skelda

Where are Reg and Nominull?

@mod: are they eligible for a prod?

[Ranawey]

EBWOP

VOTE: Skelda

derp

[Ranawey]

Only one you trust but your vote for today is based on Reg's case? Are you Reg?

And your reasoning is quite bland.

[Ranawey]

EBWOP
Only one you trust is yourself*

[Ranawey]

Skelda, Ree and Satan wanted your case on Satan, stop evading it.

[Ranawey]

It's like you're disregarding everything written before Reg's cases. I went for 2Pac because I was convinced with that. We were going to get Satan but received some townreads from him. You were the scummiest to me before all this happened, and you only say that we gonna regret your lynch and shit like that.

You say I'm here watching how you guys 'destroy yourselves', but I'm here, answering your questions and taking part of the discussion. I'm not sure of the terminology, but it seems like you're trying to decredit me.

What are your townreads, Skelda?

[Ranawey]

EBWOP
was going to write 'strawmanning' instead of 'decredit', but changed my mind before posting. Forgot to correct the 'I'm not sure of the terminology'.

[Ranawey]

I do have to agree with Reg here, these last days I've townread Nominull. It's a shame he's playing this bad, we got lucky he tunneled onto one of the highly likely scum.

I may have turned lazy about scumhunting since I agree with a lot of Reg said. I know I have to step it up, I feel like I did nothing these last days.

Since 2Pac is still L-2

unvote

VOTE: 2Pac

Anyways, I'm not liking Skelda's vibes.

Also, Reg, you said that Skelda was the one most likely to be scum and then you say he is not one of the most likely to be scum. How's that?

2Pac? Let's do it! VOTE: 2Pac

Do you see any differences? Because I see many.

[Ranawey]

Anyways, I have to note that 2Pac said that Reg and Nominull are scumteam.

UNVOTE: SkeldaUNVOTE:

I want Reg and Nominull to speak up.

[Ranawey]

ebwop

UNVOTE: Skelda

[Ranawey]

Also, sthar's final thoughts were on Skelda.

2Pac's on the ones I noted two posts above.

I have a dinner outside, so I'll probably won't answer for a couple of hours.

[Ranawey]

Well, I'm reading your ISO and you never imply that.

[Ranawey]

I can't be so idiotic.

VOTE: Skelda

Will post reads later, gotta go for real.

[Ranawey]

I feel like Reg's disappearance is on purpose. Why'd he say anything if we all are here bashing at each others and expecting him to come? It's easier just to lurk, and we are clearly implying that we won't do nothing definitive until he appears. We are wasting time because of him, and he knows it.