Newbie 1436 ~ Game Over

[Cabd]

Sup. We're here to wreck shit.

AND I PROMISE NOT TO KILL YOU THIS TIME GM I KNOW MY PAST RECORD OF KILLING YOU DEAD SUCKS BUT HEY AT LEAST I ENDGAMED YOU LAST TIME

[Cabd]

Ok, so Sakura and Gravija don't understand this gambit. That's ok.

Also, link me to a game where someone has been replaced for idiocy.

Treat me like i'm five years old. Explain exactly what you hope to accomplish with this gambit of yours. How will town react? How will scum react? How do you account for false positives, and what percent chance do you feel it has of working?


Lots of players here know me as somebody who has done quite a few gambits, including claiming scum as scum, so from one gambit guy to another, tell me what you want out of this.,

[Cabd]

Light townread on cliche, agi looks like day one lynchfodder of choice.

[Cabd]

P-Edit: Did Morph just split in 2...

Yes.

[Cabd]

ESPECIALLY considering who Sakura is and who she plays with, that's a scumclaim.

Maybe, but it's just as likely that she's moving away from it after the horrors of (yes ffery i'm dropping this bomb) Xenologue and seeing what it did to her.

[Cabd]

I MISSED OUT ON HYRULE AND I WISH TO BEAT THAT RECORD


ALSO HI BACK

[Cabd]

Not too much to catch up on, though. Looks like you guys managed to transition out of RVS nicely.


This is the part where I play scummy all day one, obvtown it up in twilight, and get shot at night one, right?

[Cabd]

the entire game seems to be based on past histories with other players

In mafia we call this "meta-reading' and I'm one of the players around this site that uses it heavily. Basically, you can look at a player's past games (site rules says you can only use them if they're completed) and see things that they do more as scum or town, and then compare that to the game we're playing right now. For example, meta says that self-voting for sakura is null. She has completed games as both town and scum where she has self voted or self hammered. Notscience finds that scummy for her to call self-voting a scumclaim when she herself has seen examples of town doing so: because she was the town in question!

[Cabd]

Sakura, you have until page 15 to be obvtown.

Ffery has until the end of this page to form a townbloc.

And notsci, you seem vaguely more interested in this game than some of your recent finished ones. You scum bro?

[Cabd]

Additionally, ffery and I have played together as one account. Those are called hydras, and you'll see them outside the newbie area. We may use some in-jokes or refrences to past games you don't understand, so feel free to ask us to explain something if it's too vague.

[Cabd]

Ffery has until the end of this page to form a townbloc.

You're not invited.

<3 somebody is still bitter over amol~

[Cabd]

Light townread on cliche, agi looks like day one lynchfodder of choice.

ffery/GM, thoughts on these two? Notsci, do you agree with cliche-read?

[Cabd]

MINE /wins

IIT mala forgets how to count

[Cabd]

Bah. Ok Cabd

UNVOTE: agi

Warning, I don't know if you'd call this a gambit or a reaction test. Maybe it's both.

I want scum to try to quick hammer (I am L-2 (L-3 after my unvote)). If they don't within the next 6 hours after I revote myself I'm unvoting myself because then it's clearly not working, or scum isn't paying attention.

Maybe it's both

I don't know how town reacts, but if anyone votes I vote them back. If you think this is OMGUS you haven't read any of the above.

Please specify what false positives that could interfere with this could occur.

I'll estimate its chance of working as 50%, plus or minus 10%.

Both scum will never quickhammer on day one. It's as good as claiming scum to get lynched on days two and three.

[Cabd]

BTW this is about as close to an innocent child as we're gonna get this game. Not lynching this thing EVER.

[Cabd]

BTW this is about as close to an innocent child as we're gonna get this game. Not lynching this thing EVER.

Your thoughts about ns?

And notsci, you seem vaguely more interested in this game than some of your recent finished ones. You scum bro?

[Cabd]

You know offhand if scum ns likes to hand out townreads to newbs, or is this a research project?

You know, I don't have quite enough data there yet. I can dive it tomorrow, remind me when I'm awake and posting.

[Cabd]

Come and play for real, TSO. Throwing out a vote on me for no stated reason is a bit low quality given your usual play as town.

[Cabd]

idk

This will be an interesting game at this rate...

[Cabd]

Just got placed on a jury. Ill be off for most of this week's afternoons at least.

[Cabd]

Cabd, you need to bold that statement. It's in the OP.

Not if I tell the mod outside the thread. That statement was entirely meant for you guys.

[Cabd]

Not until sakura hauls her ass in here and explains her vote moar. (and or I have time to do more than phoneposting)

[Cabd]

Yes. Got a problem with that?

[Cabd]

Ill vote when I'm ready. I don't want a shithammer this game like varsoon did last newbie I subbed into.

[Cabd]

Is a vote required to ask questions, in your opinion?

[Cabd]

Stuff from me tomorrow evening. Sleeping early, jury duty early, no electronics allowed in courthouse.

[Cabd]

Because I know your eminent "oh yeah I'm just making a townblock" business will come in, no. It doesn't work that way.

See, this line of questioning doesn't feel like you're trying to sort me out. You're trying to anticipate my answer, and discredit me before I respond.

[Cabd]

Oh goodie, bert replaced into a town slot. Shame though, I kinda liked getting to talk to you at night, bert. (giffy's micro)

So....

Town: (This is in order of strength)
Agi102 (not lynching this)
Bert (his slot felt town vibey, we'll see how bert plays)
GM (CRUISE CONTROL FOR COOL GUYS)
Ffery (low town but she goes here for now)

Null:
notsci (You just saw me own you as scum in gif's micro, you should know what my scum play looks like now, this ain't it kiddo, but you don't usually try to 1v1 as town so we'll see)
Gravija (Less opinions about rules mechanics, more opinions about players and their play please)

Scum:
TSO (naked votes are bad and you should feel bad)
Sakura (Hey sakura come play with me, girl. You're not going to get away with lurking away just because players that can nail your ass to the wall replaced in.)

VOTE: TSO




And notsci, you wondered why I didn't vote sakura before asking questions? Let me show you why: http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 1#p5140291

[Cabd]

Cabd agrees with my reads

I most certainly don't agree with your read on me, so that's a start.

Fine. You want your 1v1? You're not really going to get it until I think you're scum. So you get a 1v0. Go ahead, make a proper case for me and I'll put in special effort just for you to show you how you're entirely wrong.

[Cabd]

I'm just going to point out that if you do that with any player at L-1; it'll count as you hammering them, so don't do that again kthnx.

[Cabd]

It turns out, if you take gatorade powder, but use vodka instead of water because fuck water, that the end result is really good.

In other news, i'm still town as fuck, so screw you TSO. You won't be able to mislynch me.

[Cabd]

People keep getting an inflated idea of what my scumgame looks like, le sigh.

Anyways, as I mentioned a while back, i'l be limited access during the court week, no electronics in the courthouse jury area (for good reason!)


Maybe I'll write some notes for you guys and scan 'em in. (<---this is a joke I'm lazy as fuck)

[Cabd]

Oh also bert, I was drunk as fuck at that post's moment, soooooo feel free to ignore it.

[Cabd]

248 - You want to put Cabd in your scumpile but...you can't because...paranoia? Wat?

You fool a nice lady once or twice and or stab her in the back, and whaddyaknow, she never has any clue what the fuck to do with you anymore.

267 - Uhh...?

As previously mentioned, I was sorta wasted when that post happened. I made some other posts offsite that were funnier though!

Night is free until the Jury reclaims me tomorrow, this game gets some love for a few hours.

[Cabd]

Mini 1451: A Memory Of Light as GoodCop_BadCop (Cabd and Prohawk)

Win/Loss: Win

Role: Mafia Channeler Tracker Watcher Dreamwalker Godfather (And the Kitchen Sink too)

Death: Survived to Endgame

Game ending: Mafia Win

Comments: If somebody ever says "Cabd has a good scumgame" they're talking about this game, period. Played a solid game the entire length,

managed to get Selkies (Ffery and Orcinus) to back down on their scumread of me with some tricky night play.

Managed to get my scumteam all intact to MYLO; then let one get lynched, faked a watcher guilty on the other, and

rode the "confotown" status to a win in 4 man MYLO

. Scum had daychat this game, and I fully abused it. Subverted site meta by having scumteam vote as essentially a hidden bloc of voters.

[Cabd]

To futher explain the paranoia I get....


An abridged history of "Gambits and Shit Cabd has Pulled in Mafia"

Chapter One: As Town
-Fakeclaim psychologist in RVS to get the SK to claim
-Fake a cop innocent on a townread
-Fakeclaim nuetral survivor in 3-man lylo with the other two crossed
-Faked having a QT with a dead player
-Faked a posting restriction to fly under the radar
-Faked a cop guilty on a huge scumread (they flipped scum)

Chapter Two: As Scum
-Claimed scum to get a daykill
-Faked hours of metadiving
-Coasted on a hider claim to a perfect win (TWICE)
-Used dead people to leverage my case against another player
-Watcher-guiltied my own teammate in MYLO to go on to win
-Pointed out my partner's scumflip on page one of a newbie
-Faked a towntell

[Cabd]

Or in tl;dr form: sorting each other is never a quick process but it usually ends up accurate.

[Cabd]

Oh, and have some meta:

Scum -
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=29631

Town -
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=30079
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=83&t=30898
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=83&t=31112

All the rest are ongoing etc. etc.

Except this town one

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=31203

yeah i think that's all

done talking now

Will read these tomorrow.

I just realized I'm voting with my other scumread and a null read. But my other scumread is being voted by...my other scumread.

Well, let me help you. Town is voting alongside your null read on a mutual scumread.

[Cabd]

Anything to say about the gamestate?

TSO is scum? Sakura is her usual flaily self, GM is GM and I need to go baseline hyrule yet again, and uh...

You. You're fuckifiknow but I suppose I'll have to sort you sooner or later. Probably later, I'm a lazy fucker right now, and I have dates with certain types of melted cheese to deal with.

Notsci is being obnoxious and conf-biased; but as I've said before, being wrong does not scum make.

I really like Kaze's entrence into the thread so far, and he replaced a null read I think.

Bert is town as fuck so far, although he needs to learn to recognize drunkposting. He also replaced into a slot i townread.

Agi is obvtown.

T{Kaze, Bert, Agi} (don't see myself lynching these today, probably ever)
N{notsci, sakura, GM, ffery} (notsci probably moving up to T depending on re-read)
S{TSO}

[Cabd]

I'm trying to think if you've ever called me null before. Maybe one game.

I can't be assed to read you yet. And I did call you null a while in MYLO before you pegged me and the entire scumteam, IIRC.

[Cabd]

Also, notsci is town.

Convince me?

[Cabd]

Also, notsci is town.

Convince me?

He's reminding me of the R~~ part of Shiny Hydragea. If I'm wrong about which head R~~ was then my read goes a little flaky but still probtown.

Good luck getting a straight answer about heads from that lot. Maybe i'll play to my universal wincon and get that data.

[Cabd]

Well bert, my good former scumsir; you'll have to wait until the judge lets me go from jury duty tomorrow evening before i put any ~effort~ into the paranoid chick.

[Cabd]

Off to go watch grown men argue with a guy in a huge glorified bathrobe. Court adjourns tonight around 5

[Cabd]

Jury duty will be done tomorrow btw so then you guys get effort n stuff.

[Cabd]

Deliberations began today, one more half day and then I'm a free man.

I'll try to give this thread time tonight, but court>schoolwork>sleep>mafia>etc etc

[Cabd]

Hi. While there's formalities tomorrow morning, I'm somewhat sorta kinda mostly a free man right now.

While I catch up:

Hey bert, why are you continuing to ask the same question of me when it has been asked and answered? You aren't expecting a different answer, are you? You keep pushing it to make me look bad and that's not okay bro.

[Cabd]

Nobody else is around, and sleep beckons. Tomorrow it is, then.

[Cabd]

... Woah woah woah. I was a replacement into a slot that had zero posts.

Why are we talking about voting my slot? I'm the only PLAYER in it.

/phone posting from jury room break.

[Cabd]

We, the 12 jurors of court 62, of the county of fresno, state of california, by a vote of 10 to 2, find the defendants, April and Jay Farkas, not negligent and therefore not liable for the harm to plaintiff claimed as 500,000 US dollars, and dismiss this case.

[Cabd]

Aka shit is a coming, mortals.

[Cabd]

Idk how to read cabd tbh

It's okay. Just ask ffery how she does it, and then don't do it that way at all, and you're likely to get a result.

My thoughts are I will not underestimate notscience's ability to fake town meta.

I mostly agree with you here. Notsci through various means has been made aware of how his metagame is shaped. Even if he's faking it, I don't think he can keep it up the entire game though, so even if I'm dead by then, you guys should be able to figure out of it's legit or not.

Hey cabd

Sort ffery please??

Bc if she's super duper town

I will sheep her as long as she lives

I'll work on it, but bert, she's a good player, but not a goddess. Make your own opinions.

Wait, no you said you don't know how to read Cabd. But you want him to sort me?

Ffery, we both know you and I have a reputation for doing our little dances in any game we're in together. It being delayed by Sally Etherly just means it had to happen really close to D1 deadline.

Yes I want him to stop saying you're null

Because he obviously has an opinion on you andknowsyou well

She's null until proven otherwise. She's fooled me twice. Once in xenoblade mafia (large theme) and once in chef mafia (mini theme) so it usually takes me a day or two worth of posting to be sure of my read. Once I get it though, it's the strength of read that's worth faking a cop result over.

And Cabd, gut feels you're town from your latest posts.

But I won't spare you if my stronger townreads say you're scum.

Ffery seems town so far

/phone post

Your "gut" is a feature of your game as both town and scum, so go ahead and barf up why said gut thinks I'm town so far from the posts?

Lack of reach out or sorting effort from Cabd has also bothered me, but jury duty.

Overall he's reminding me of the Perpetual MYLO game. :/

Do you think that this is me playing like the MYLO game to make you think I'm town, do you think it's me being apathetic/busy town, or do you not yet know which of the two you feel it is?

[Cabd]

it usually takes me a day or two worth of posting to be sure of my read

Obviously in this game we don't have that large of a player list/day phases, so I'll have it on a rush order if possible.

[Cabd]

Hey Sakura, hey answer my question??? Why the OMGUS?? <3

Lack of reach out or sorting effort from Cabd has also bothered me, but jury duty.

Overall he's reminding me of the Perpetual MYLO game. :/

Hmm....that's the game that you compared his 231 Mismatched play with. Hmm.....interesting, and worrisome at the same time

I'm already stepping it up, are you having problems?

Can you see why she might be having problems?

We'll see what she thinks, bert, but you might be best served by reading the mylo game yourself. It's in my wiki page.

Meh, Kaze's predecessor felt kinda town. Kaze, not so much. Reads list feels kind of empty, and it's like she/he is appearing to be doing something but not really doing anything, if that makes any sense at all. Meh.

If Cabd's trajectory is eerily reminiscent of Perpetual and Mismatched, then something's up.

TSO feels kinda town, that's why I asked Cabd and others to reiterate what's so scummy about TSO because I don't really get it right now

No, step 3 is the problem.

Sakura does that as a suicidal play because

she knows it works on you.

And it's working right now.

Sakura isn't going to flip because if I went for her then Cabd would turn on me for going for an "easy lynch." It works both ways.

This felt so genuine.

Vote: Cabd

Don't think my vote's moving in the three days remaining.

<3 Love ya, Cabd, but no sirree you gotta go today, me thinks.

This reminds me of shit you said in Mala's mini theme game, bertie boy. Why would you not want to change your vote... and then go on to do so several times?

186 - Why, though?

Because.
I am thoroughly satisfied with a lynch on either one (the other is T S O, obvs) at this point and so will continue to sway between them until it becomes clear which one is today's lynch (probably T S O, probably the better option).

I can't read GM worth a damn. Had like one decent post to my knowledge but mostly idfk. Sorreh. Null.

Considering my lack of presence thus far, Null's definitely not what most people would say.

I think you may be a person I need to be in more games with immediately.

BUT: Why didn't you address Sakura in your end-of-post readslist?

I just realized I'm voting with my other scumread and a null read. But my other scumread is being voted by...my other scumread. -twitch-

I'm not gonna wagon analyze right now.

Yeahhhhhh after a while you stop giving a shit if you ever did in the first place.

[GM is GM and I need to go baseline hyrule yet again

LOLOLOLOLOL

Also, notsci is town.

QFT

GM has made no impression on me. Need real time interactions to get some feelings going. Talk to meee, who do you think is scum? Re-read done yet?

Yes it is done, and still T S O and Sakura with low-and-unlikely chance of Cabd.

GM, you low level of engagement (and long-ish absence) is starting to bug me.

It's been a hectic time for me, particularly over the weekend which is why I went V/LA. I'm back and better than ever though.

Why hello there, darling.

Would you like to meet Bert? GM, meet Bert because you haven't been here to meet him yet. Don't break my heart...

Wait. Wait. You look really familiar. Didn't we meet that one time at that masonic lodge in Serona?

With GM it's really more the low level of engagement. I kinda expected some significant catch up from her yesterday. Our last MS game together she was scum. She kinda messed with me on day 1 of that game. She made a joking reference to that in a post right after my replace-in. Other than that, I feel like any reach-out has mostly been from my end.

Probably I should have extended my V/LA til today instead then.

With GM it's really more the low level of engagement. I kinda expected some significant catch up from her yesterday. Our last MS game together she was scum. She kinda messed with me on day 1 of that game. She made a joking reference to that in a post right after my replace-in. Other than that, I feel like any reach-out has mostly been from my end.

GM was scum in your modded game, that's my last experience with her. She's being lurky IMO, absence notwithstanding. I do remember her saying that she felt her scumplay was better during her early/earlier years on this site...that's just a random recollection of a thought/memory.

It's true. You remembered?

I think I need to reread this, but I doubt my opinions will change much.

This sort of bothers me, because I would think she's more opinionated than that...

It's because I'm opinionated that I kind of assumed they wouldn't change.
Surprise, they didn't.

Now I have to go back and find that question of mine that Sakura didn't answer.

What is so funny about me needing to update my meta-reads of you? A question for you. Do you or do you not get the vibe from me I gave off in newbie 1390?

If she doesn't step it up now that she's supposedly back, I'll have some problems.

I'm already stepping it up, are you having problems?

What was your read of Bert's predecessor? What's the rationale for your vote? The reason you posted doesn't tell me much.

I don't even remember how his predecessor felt atm, but i ISO'd him and that was a weak town lean, but i cant get much out of 5 posts.

Bert on the other hand, I'm not liking his gut reasonings looks like an easy way to get mislynches like in mismatching flavor mafia.

The gut stuff is such a feature of his town game, I think he basically has to emulate that as scum. What makes you think his gut feels aren't genuine in this game?

Ffery have you read mala's Castle Mafia? I think that's a great example of how bert fakes his gut as far as scum games go. He was more coastish in mismatching flavor, that game went on longer and he was not obvtown'd.

Yes it is done, and still T S O and Sakura with low-and-unlikely chance of Cabd.

The Sakura read puzzles me, but I know I'm swimming upstream there. The Cabd read astounds me. Aside from that Rage mini game, have you played with Cabd when he's not town? What games?

To GM:
I know you said you're going to elaborate on these and a nice big lovely "I want to ship SakuraXnoose" fanfiction would be great.

To ffery: I think the ones you mentioned are the only ones. Rage, achievement. SHe's played with me town in newbie 1390 as well.

Acceptable lynches today:

Cabd, Sakura, TSO

Pick one and stick.

Why are you guys trying to meta cabd

He has expicitly stated that he changes how he plays each game

I have stated that. I just don't know if I'm actually able to follow through with it. There's always things that are inherit to a player's subconscious that are hard to change.

Acceptable lynches today:

Cabd, Sakura, TSO

Pick one and stick.

Why are you guys trying to meta cabd

He has expicitly stated that he changes how he plays each g ame

There's stuff you can change, and stuff that's hard to change. I am making a longterm project of this.

I feel bad for ffery, I post a lot, lots of noise.

The Rage and the Achievement, both with Morph.It's not that I find him scummy as such, more that I find him the least towny of everyone I'm not reading as Scum

I misinterpreted the emphasis you were putting on "unlikely".

But, as a side note, Morph is a joint venture of Cabd and me. Why am I not in that pool?

Because you don't have an (unfounded imo) reputation for a kickass scumgame?

I really don't know what to make of that lack of interaction, tbh. Discounting the Perpetual MYLO game, he's interacted with me a fair bit in every game we've completed so far, regardless of his alignment. The MYLO game was demotivating for scum starting pretty early on day 1. I don't know why this game would have a similar effect on scum-Cabd. I'm chalking it up to jury duty time constraints right now.

To be fair, weighing giving some lady half a million dollars from her own daughter is more important than a forum mafia game.

i don't know what to post
i apologize for shitposting

The current leading wagons are me, goodmorning, and TSO. If Malakittens walked up to you, put a loaded gun to your head, and told you to pick one of us three to get shot instead of you, who would you pick? What makes that one a better choice to die than the other two?

Can we please for the love of god get votes back on scum-cabd?

I'm still not scum, you're doing the thing where you confobias yourself into a derp aren't you?

[Cabd]

What's your conclusion about GM, Ffery? Yeah, I skimmed it all. First part you list what's town about her, and then the second part you list what's bothering you. What do you want me to comment on, specifically?

Can we please for the love of god get votes back on scum-cabd?

Comments unrelated to Cabd please, like ffery just asked you to do. And no, I'm not caving into your pressure to vote Cabd because you said so. That won't do. And reiterating why you're voting Cabd in a way that makes sense would help too, while you're at it. "ISO me" is not an acceptable response

Bert, what changed you from "not moving my vote from cabd" to "herpaderp I'm not voting cabd even though you have a case"?

Lmfao, he knows I hate cases and asks for one.

Asking you to do things I know you prefer not to do makes me scum?

I said earlier TSO and Sakura were scum and now "oh yeah they're scum" yet you apparently don't have a townread on me when I thought them before you did. I said Agi was town before you did.

Heaven forbid my reads align with yours in several areas and clearly that makes me scum for sheeping your reads while still not town reading you properly.

Seemslegit

If you're going to make a case (as you apparently hate) then don't make it full of shit filler like this TIV.

You're trying to come up with reasons to feed the town paranoia about me (NS you've been lurking/inactive in your recent games, you scum bro?)

Or it could be an actual offhand observation about your play? Naaaaaah, that would be too easy, scumcabd is clearly setting up the global townread for a mislynch any day now.

This whole- "You've seen my scumgame" bit is a lie. You've told me that you always change how you play your scumgame after every finished game. So, that is ultimately null and the fact you're trying to use that to make me townread you is moronic.

I don't give one shit if you townread me or not right now. I do change my scumgame after every scum game. That's public knowledge. However, as ffery commented above, there's certain things that remain no matter how hard I try. I'd tell you what they are, but I'm not gonna ruin any future games where I might draw scum against you, so you'll have to do your own legwork if you wish to know what they are.

Or just wait for ffery to do the homework for you and copy paste.

You had that joking/buddy attempt on ffery when you came in- why? Because she knows you best of all the players and poses the biggest threat.

Actually, TBQH, when I'm scum, I leave ffery alone at least a day or two. She's one of the players I'm best at manipulating. My plans have only failed once (MYLO) and even then that was mostly due to apathy (and nacho being able to read me better as well).

What's your conclusion about GM, Ffery? Yeah, I skimmed it all. First part you list what's town about her, and then the second part you list what's bothering you. What do you want me to comment on, specifically?

I'm thinking scum.

I want to see her response to the assorted walls and I want to see Cabd's promised effort n stuff before putting my vote back down.

I'm here and posting and shit. What are your thoughts now about GM?

Bert, yours wasn't really a "case" persay.

Did I say I have a case? No!

I do have observations and gut feelings. Now, why are you voting Cabd? Don't you avoid my question like that please <3

What I want to know is "why"

"because he's scum" does NOT work here, okay? I am reaching out to you, if it isn't super duper obvious already

Once again, I ask why you'd hound notsci about this if you earlier voted me and said you wouldn't be taking it off and that I needed to go today?

notsci probably moving up to T depending on re-read

Also, notsci is town.

Convince me?

He's also taking nice shots like "oh being wrong does not a scum make" and etc

And he's had like no other content since then

Yeah those posts were a few minutes apart, and I like being re-assured of my own reads.

Are you wrong about me? Yes. Are you scum? Probably not.

As for other content, by all means write the Honorable Judge Harrell, Fresno County Superior Court, Department 62, and tell him you demand Cabd be allowed to play mafia in court in the future.

those 2 posts happened within 5 minutes @ns you're reaching.

He is, but this is what he does. He tunnels like wisdom minus the annoying as fuck component. Actually, part of me wonders if notsci looks to wisdom as a town role model sometimes...

Have I not been showing development in my Sakura read?

TSO is probably trying to hardbus his scumbuddy, thus why he's so insistent on him being the shepherd to the flock.

Ffery is probs town because gut

I don't think GM is scum because she was similar in 1402

I don't think you're scum because gut

Agi is town because of how he's played (and I was still first to call that)

Kaze is null because I can't read him for shit

PEDIT

So, me looking through

all

his content after my last post and pointing that out means I'm reaching?

So many gutreads. Offhand, I think i've bussed, in my scum career.... once. On day one of my first scum newbie here, I bussed my partner hard. The lynch didn't go through though and his replacement and I ended up winning on day three in a perfect win.

Re: bolded, you can't read kaze for shit but you think you can read me well?

[Cabd]

Do you think that this is me playing like the MYLO game to make you think I'm town, do you think it's me being apathetic/busy town, or do you not yet know which of the two you feel it is?

I want to think that you wouldn't talk me into joining this game and then say oh shit not scum again, and go apathetic for some reason. The perpetual mylo game was a sort of unique meshing of game mechanic and player list, and that meshing made it a demotivating game for scum.

But, realistically being kidnapped by jury duty is what it is, and your lack of appearance isn't alignment indicative. It's just annoying as fuck to be on the threshold of nightfall and not have much to judge you by.

I actually salivate at the thought of drawing scum to town you again. This game is the most fun when the town team is a significant challenge and then I still fool the fuck out of people when they ought to know better. That's by far my favorite type of moment in the game of mafia.

Trust me, sitting through all those fucking sidebars and objections wasn't anything less than "annoying as fuck" either.

[Cabd]

Have I not been showing development in my Sakura read?

TSO is probably trying to hardbus his scumbuddy, thus why he's so insistent on him being the shepherd to the flock.

OK, so you think it's TSO-Cabd or TSO-Sakura.

And you're voting Cabd. I see. Hmm....

You're really dancing and wavering around me, bert. And it feels icky.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: bert

ns tunneling is town-ns but ns himself said in the last newbie game we shared that he was in the process of changing his meta so I am trying not to take too much stock in such things.

He is but it's a really shitty and not very pronounced change as far as I've seen it. Unless he means as in only the games he has ongoing, his most recent completed games aren't much different.

ns tunneling is town-ns but ns himself said in the last newbie game we shared that he was in the process of changing his meta so I am trying not to take too much stock in such things.

Good point about meta-dodging there that you just mentioned.

That's why it's hard to tell about Cabd, as he changes it up frequently too. It does bother me that he made that comment to NS about "you've seen me as town, you should know I'm town here." That gave me pause for a second there, for sure. A long long second.

The comment was mostly me teasing notsci. I know full well he can't meta me for shit unless he puts in SERIOUS effort. He can still try though. Ffery might once she gains a new proper baseline. Empire can do it practically effortlessly as he reads games like I do. Have yet to play with F-16 falcon, but I feel like he's a high enough tier to be able to do it pretty easily as well.

I really hate it when people excessively add "I see" and "hmm" to the end of posts. It's like you're trying too hard to seem like you're really thinking on it. Trying to make sure town knows your gears are turning, cause scum doesn't need to scumhunt too hard, amirite? Bert, you're giving me weird feels.

I always do that regardless of alignment, so you can choose whether it's genuine or not. I'm very melodramatic if I'm engaged - which isn't often.

If you want to know what my gut feels, it's that TSO is probably a mislynch waiting to happen. Solely gut.

And I'm teetering between Cabd and GM. Cabd is for weird comments throughout the game that ping, his play being lackadaisical similar to Mismatched, as well as Ffery (and to a lesser extent others) making remarks about how Cabd is not very townie at all. GM is for not doing anything townie looking, to be blunt. And for the voting pattern she has projected so far, along with lack of explanations. Where's the fire?

Kaze isn't the only one who doesn't like your gut this game, bud. Your trajectory this game is utterly screwy, even for you.

EBWOP: And Cabd's meta is so much WIFOM right now, because it's similar to Mismatched but "would he be blatant enough to do that two games in a row" is a messy WIFOM argument waiting to explode and ruin our fresh perspective on him. Based on his play here, just his play, I'd lynch him. GM, not as much, but I have more expectations for her.

Bah, humbug!

Is it? My play in this game was essentially reduced to quick one-liners and in pause mode thanks to being a juror. It's back to full speed. So apply your logic to these posts and this play, kthnx.

This is what I wanted to talk to Ffery and everyone else about:

Fine. You want your 1v1? You're not really going to get it until I think you're scum. So you get a 1v0. Go ahead, make a proper case for me and I'll put in special effort just for you to show you how you're entirely wrong.

In other news, i'm still town as fuck, so screw you TSO. You won't be able to mislynch me.

It's what I call the "intimidation factor." Why is Cabd resorting to this, and is it alignment-indicative or a tell in any way, shape, or form? Surely, this looks like it's supposed to arouse fear in the other and persuade someone to back down from attacking him?

Why not talk it out, or at least be more reachable for everyone

Tell me what you think, please?

This is also one of the major reasons I'm voting you, bert. I had told you several times before you posted this that 267 was made while I was drunk as fuck, and you're acting like I did it to thump my chest at TSO. As for 212, see above about trolling notscience for his inability to read me.

[Cabd]

I'm here and posting and shit. What are your thoughts now about GM?

Yes you are.

Still not liking her. However, I have been demonstratively terrible at reading her in most of the games we've played. I let her skate as scum in the two MS games I played with her where she was scum. And I've been in on her mislynch a couple times.

Do you have an opinion?

Not yet, no. I'll have one before I go to bed, though~

Do you think that this is me playing like the MYLO game to make you think I'm town, do you think it's me being apathetic/busy town, or do you not yet know which of the two you feel it is?

I want to think that you wouldn't talk me into joining this game and then say oh shit not scum again, and go apathetic for some reason. The perpetual mylo game was a sort of unique meshing of game mechanic and player list, and that meshing made it a demotivating game for scum.

But, realistically being kidnapped by jury duty is what it is, and your lack of appearance isn't alignment indicative. It's just annoying as fuck to be on the threshold of nightfall and not have much to judge you by.

I actually salivate at the thought of drawing scum to town you again. This game is the most fun when the town team is a significant challenge and then I still fool the fuck out of people when they ought to know better. That's by far my favorite type of moment in the game of mafia.

Trust me, sitting through all those fucking sidebars and objections wasn't anything less than "annoying as fuck" either.

Especially annoying as fuck when you couldn't be in the game thread fooling the fuck out of me?

Eh, you're getting better at finding me, but I still feel like I could fool you pretty damn well even if I start behind a bit. I'm getting to the point where I'll boil your paranoia over far enough that you'll mislynch me one of these days, but given the way you and I interact, that's pretty much inevitable before you scale back said paranoia level.

[Cabd]

Actually, TBQH, when I'm scum, I leave ffery alone at least a day or two. She's one of the players I'm best at manipulating. My plans have only failed once (MYLO) and even then that was mostly due to apathy (and nacho being able to read me better as well).

This is so convenient. As town you leave me alone for a couple days because one of the best meta-players at MS inexplicably has a blind spot where my shitty scum game is concerned.

And as scum you leave me alone because I'm manipulable.

It is convenient! I'd like to point out it's a mutual thing. We both have holes for each other, difference being that in the end I come out of the funnel pretty damn sure, while in your case, paranoia eats you alive every night and knowing you, you lose sleep pondering me even after you settle on a read.

[Cabd]

Is Cabd bitterly sarcastic and slightly pompous regardless of alignment? Confirm/deny please.

It's my only fun tool in opens and semiopens, since I can't gambit the fuck out of things like I prefer to do.

[Cabd]

So much meta talk about games I've never heard of.

I refuse to do homework. Supplemental reading was not something I signed up for.

Game names are a sort of shorthand in the sorting process. I don't know how useful the convo is to other players tbh.

But, I think you'll see references to prior games when you're playing with meta-based players, because they do make a decent shorthand for people who either played or read the referenced games.

I can start linking them to allow others to follow along i guess.

Talk to me about Bert, Cabd.

Seems he got a gut transplant from AL Capone, because his gut is similar to castle and doesn't remind me of the newbie game he mis-read and mis-lynched you in.

[Cabd]

Would reading them help one make better scumhunting decisions, in your opinion?

I know some people hold the idea that "if you didn't play with them, it isn't meta" but idk where I stand on that.

http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Cabd

You can skim them and make your own decision. I'll tell you that when I meta somebody, I read completed games of theirs that I was not in, not just their ISO, but the entire game thread.

[Cabd]

But this may be because you know each other well/hydra together/etc.

We spend at least five hours a day talking about mafia theory and such in general. Part of my towngame is drawn from hers. Part of her scumgame is drawn from mine. There's a LOT of overlap even when we're not in a hydra.

[Cabd]

This dance is usually how we sort each other. I know it's not exactly helpful to the rest of you. Think of it as the two of us being in-thread neighbors trying to sort each other alongside sorting the rest of the game.

[Cabd]

I'm just trying to gather something from this back-and-forth and I cannot and it frustrates me a bit. But, go about it.

Regardless of both mine and ffery's alignment it usually ends up giving a pretty solid reads list, so there's that.

[Cabd]

We're trying to cram a week's worth of sorting into a few hours.

Such is the life of a citizen called upon to do their civic duty.

[Cabd]

You haven't tried to add him to your townbloc in this game. That newbie game was mostly my fault for making a huge miscalculation about how well he knew my play style.

Even so, I was half convinced at times that his paranoia was manufactured.

His paranoia feels somewhat fake even as town, but the level of fake is what disatnces scum bert from town bert. Short of him claiming scum or nacho replacing into the game, I feel like that's the best litmus test I've got. And you're right, I haven't put him into my town block this game. I kinda stole your favorite little toy from your toybox and was in observation mode about him for a bit. I don't like what I've seen.

[Cabd]

Remember what happened last time I was enabled to shape your opinion of a game you were reading for the first time before you finished it? I do. Amol Iece meta says hi. I don't want you going all "omg cabd is scum and shaping my opinionzzzzz lynch" so I'll be here waiting, kthnx.

[Cabd]

unless this is some joke where you're opposing me to get a reaction

That's for me to know, and for you to figure out, I suppose.

[Cabd]

Hey bert. You have some questions to answer for me.

[Cabd]

Don't think your "well I'll just vote cabd and pretend his questions don't exist" routine works in a game like this.

[Cabd]

So Cabd was that reaction test a twofer?

Nope all that after-flail was unintended bonus. I sure as hell didn't expect him to do THAT level of OMGUS flailing.

UNVOTE:
I was leaning town on GM so far, actually, and I didn't really find your case compelling. Want to explain it a bit more for me?

[Cabd]

It's Hyrule that's funny.
Do I get that vibe from you? Kind of yes, kind of no. You've evolved as a player massively since then and that's the only game I've been in with you not hydra-ing.
Some of the talk is the same, as far as scumhunting and all, but then you ask questions like that one, which is entirely different in tone.

This very open ended response to a yes or no question is something that struck me as something scum-GM wouldn't do. That was kind of the factor that tipped the scales.

[Cabd]

TSO. Wish I had more but that's it. I want to talk to you about your GM case before re-voting though. I'll be around up until deadline time anyways.

[Cabd]

I don't think you've made a case on TSO.

You're right, I haven't made a huge case on TSO. Nor do I have time to before the deadline hits, TBQH.

[Cabd]

Day 1 ends in (expired on 2013-10-04 23:50:00)

We have a bit of time, but it's my aunt's 50th birthday tonight, so my vote is going down in like 4 or 5 hours.

[Cabd]

So this is where ffery comes in and tells us why we should vote GM and not TSO, right?

[Cabd]

So you done tunneling me oooor?

[Cabd]

I don't want to vote TSO.

I got such a town sense when he was arguing with me. He wasn't trying to convince me I was wrong about him. He was trying to convince me I was wrong about my other reads.

I think he's town.

I disagree somewhat but I can come up for air and go with you on this one. Let's say TSO is town. Does the chance of GM being scum fluxuate based upon TSO-town, or are the two reads independent?

[Cabd]

I'll vote him later if it's that or nolynch.

And be pissed.

VOTE: GM

You have the floor, don't bother being pissed, just get your data.

[Cabd]

I'll vote him later if it's that or nolynch.

And be pissed

.

VOTE: GM

You have the floor, don't bother being pissed, just get your data.

In case anyone cares/wonders, this is where my leaning town on ffery being solidified came from.

[Cabd]

Do reaction tests qualify as gambits?

Not in my mind, they're on a more mortal plane.

[Cabd]

@ns: you should hammer GM.

No. Not until he has to leave. If at all possible GM claims first.

[Cabd]

Ok. I didn't read the whole thread. I read his ISO and switched to contextual here and there.

And then I did the same in this game.

I am not seeing it I guess. The Castle game is Bert writ large, almost burlesquing his town game. It was over the top in nearly every dimension.

I'm really sleepy, though. I'll reread some sections of Castle tomorrow.

Was I really supposed to have a great ah hah from reading this?

This was actually what I meant by twofer, btw.

No I just felt like being a dick and making you read a huge coney island game. Also

it made it more genuine looking.

[Cabd]

Don;t risk it if it ends in a NL, but wait until you're unsure of service to do anything. Bolded intent would be nice if you're leaning that way.

[Cabd]

He's on his way out so hurry up.

[Cabd]

I'd expect GM to claim a PR as scum here.

[Cabd]

Any other claim as scum is sub-optimal on day one in most cases. Especially this close to deadline. I don;t know how many other options we have, though.

[Cabd]

Post what you have now, I'm going to be gone from 6PM on. Do we even have a viable counterwagon we feel is more likely to hit scum?

[Cabd]

Part of me is seriously debating no lynch on the merits of matrix 6 having a high likelihood of a nightkill mis-firing anyways.

[Cabd]

heh. don't see a serious nolynch consideration on day 1 every day.

It's a legit discussion, actually, given what the new matrix 6 setup is, i'd say at least 50% of newbies end up on evens anyways.

[Cabd]

UNVOTE:


Will have to vote from my phone, but i'll be around. I hate deadlines.

[Cabd]

I'm here so intent.

[Cabd]

Deadline left?

[Cabd]

1 hour 50 minutes. Will hammer before that.

Finally ffery misreads me. Woo.

[Cabd]

I'm so excited! This is the game where ffery finally mislynches me, isn't it?


(Chef doesn't count)

[Cabd]

If TSO claims and is not counter claimed, we're lynching me, understood?

I don't want this paranoia shit sending me to a LYLO mislynch.

[Cabd]

Too fucking bad. I don't wanna be the cause of a repeat River City

[Cabd]

I'm at dinner phone posting, nursing a second margerita, and thinking that I'm gonna end up being today's lynch.

So excuuuuuse me princess, if I fucking call it how I see it.

[Cabd]

Also nothing was stopping me from hammering earlier so yeah, suck it.

[Cabd]

Excuse? Try reason, ninja boy.

Alcohol is arceus himself speaking through me.


Pretty damn sure this ends in a no lynch or a scramble back to TSO or you can flash wagon me I guess. Ill help.


Ffery pushing me for mentioning no lynch is bulllshit though and that kinda worries me but whatever.


Pedit: Bert your gut is shitty as your ability to stay detached emotionally.

[Cabd]

I think I'm wrong.

You almost always are about me but what specifically this time.

[Cabd]

Pedit: Bert your gut is shitty

as your ability to stay detached emotionally.

Thanks for rubbing it in. That's really kind. <3

That's the truth. So what if it sucks. You telling me I have too much indecisiveness is funny as fuck though.

[Cabd]

I have no clue if I haveavoteout. TSO or me or what guys. Figure it out so I can call my ride.

[Cabd]

So can I safely vote TSO before I get picked up and stuff, ooooor?

[Cabd]

VOTE: TSO


Going home bye

[Cabd]

Possibly.

What happens to your piles if TSO is scum? Town? You still feel the same as your last post about it?

As I mentioned, I'll be looking at you if he flips Town.

Everyone awakes, but one. Goodmorning,

Vanilla Townie

, is found sound asleep.

Given the caliber of our player list this screams framejob.

[Cabd]

.but the VT kill is kinda confusing all the same

???

You think Scum know who the PRs are?

[Cabd]

Given the caliber of our player list this screams framejob.

Why? And is it bad for me to be speculating with you on this?

(NO it won't hurt IMO)

Because let's be honest here. A newbie might think silly enough to see GM flip after saying she was gonna nail ffery, and then push to turbolynch ffery. If agi is scum, this is probably the case. I don't think agi is scum, but it's certainly a layer of wifom added to the scenario, and the kill doesn't fit my scum ffery model.

[Cabd]

VT. Do it if you like. I have revised my reads slightly in that I've switched Cabd's and fffff's places.

If you don't mind waiting a bit I'd like to finish the T S O case while I can.

She did, actually..... Very odd...

[Cabd]

I can't see anyone making that mistake if they were following closely to the thread.

Maybe agi is scum after all?

[Cabd]

It would certainly fit. Make a single post that everyone calls you town for, then do absolutely nothing the rest of the game day.

I'll wait for the rest of the gang to come in and weigh on it.

[Cabd]

.but the VT kill is kinda confusing all the same

???

You think Scum know who the PRs are?

Do you usually 'forget' about who claimed what? You were here for the last 12 hours of the day, when GM claimed.

As a reminder, I was at a mexican restaurant downing tequila at the time. That said, I did in fact forget that GM had claimed.

[Cabd]

To be entire honest, this is the kind of kill i'd make if I was scum with ffery, or was scum in ffery's slot. But I play scum in a very unique manner so for ffery to be scum means she's lifting pages from my book. Which is technically possible after those morph scumgames.

[Cabd]

Bert, ffery said right before the end of day that it had changed with me no longer in the scum category.

[Cabd]

that post was an argument against ffery scum soooooo

[Cabd]

Technically possible means "unlikely" in my book.

[Cabd]

Huh. Sakura that's a total 180 of your usual approach to me?

[Cabd]

Oh wait nevermind I get it. Moving on...

[Cabd]

Holy shit if kaze and Bert fish any harder then the fish are gonna go extinct.

[Cabd]

lol. Ffery you should chat with me about this.

You're wasting your time, you'll see.

[Cabd]

What we're trying to say is... who do you think the other scum would be, given we know there's two?

[Cabd]

It's okay sakura. He thinks he can push my mislynch still.

[Cabd]

I don't gotta do anything, I'll do what I want TYVM.

[Cabd]

Lemme guess, you think you're going to weasel yourself out of today so you can push me tomorrow and be like "SEE GUISE I SAID HE WUZ SCUMZ BACK THEN"

Lolno, nice try scumfuck.

You really are quite dense, aren't you?

[Cabd]

I can discredit the fuck out of you and it doesn't matter~

[Cabd]

Man, yanking your chain is way more fun than it should be.

[Cabd]

You could try quote striping instead. Just qoute posts of his you liked or did not like, instead?

[Cabd]

However, I actually agree that it's a shitty defense coming from Cabd.

Is there even such a thing you'd consider NOT a shitty defense coming from me?

* crickets *

Didn't think so.

[Cabd]

Otoh there's also no such thing as a reason NOT to troll ns.

[Cabd]

Otoh there's also no such thing as a reason NOT to troll ns.

At least you didn't talk him into reading a long-ass and mostly irrelevant game thread. :/

I know!

Hey at least now you have meta on my female half.

[Cabd]

My girlfriend plays mafia and was in that game with bert.

[Cabd]

My girlfriend plays mafia and was in that game with bert.

Didn't you follow Mini 1489 too, which had Nacho/Tammy/Empire/me/Mara? You follow a lot of games...lol

Cuz that's probably a good measure of my town game, and I wasn't obvtown in that game either

I did! Watching you all flail around as mara sat there claiming scum over and over was quite amusing, at that.

[Cabd]

Why does Ffery always consider your defenses shitty?

If paranoia was edible her paranoia over every word I type could end word hunger overnight.

[Cabd]

I actually dislike the very thought that we should discount one or many methods of scumhunting because player X or player Y do not enjoy using them.

[Cabd]

^This is actually pretty good plan wise, but I'm a tiny bit more concerned with ffery than you are, sakura.

I need to make up my mind about her somewhat soon methinks.

[Cabd]

if Ffery has us all fooled and is scum with Cabd.

This is literally 100% impossible given the current game state, fwiw.

[Cabd]

Ffery for the love of god read the above post and tell me a Sakura/Cabd scumteam doesn't make sense.

PEDIT DAMNIT BERT

Okay yeah you are that dense. Holy fuck.

[Cabd]

Fwiw ffery is probably town because she easily could have led bert on a crusade against me D1 in the end there and it would have gone through. Her play today however has to ignore that since she figured out ~things~ and couldn't push me if she wanted to as scum.

[Cabd]

And I also laughed when Sakura put herself in the townbloc.

Why? She definitely belongs there.

[Cabd]

GODFUCKINGDAMMIT NS ARE YOU TRYING TO BE STUPID NOW?

Like... I refuse to believe you're this damn ignorant of what's going on.

[Cabd]

The things these idiots make me do...

SAKURA IS FUCKING CONFIRMED TOWN NOW GO EAT A DICK NS/b]

[Cabd]

The things these idiots make me do...

SAKURA IS FUCKING CONFIRMED TOWN NOW GO EAT A DICK NS

EBWOP

[Cabd]

Fuck. Bert why would you out this.

Fine.

I'm cop, inno on sakura, she noticed the crumbs and tried to flip the claims around so she'd get nightkilled tonight instead.

[Cabd]

SO GO EAT FUCKING DICKS BOTH OF YOU, SHAME ON YOU FOR OUTING THE FUCKING PR(s?)

[Cabd]

HOLY FUCKING SHIT I MIGHT FAKECLAIM TO AVOID A NK OMG WUT

[Cabd]

Like literally..... There's zero fucking reason for me to fakeclaim in the matrix 6 setup right now.

[Cabd]

Setup:

---

Newbie Setup

Matrix6 (as designed by Cogito Ergo Sum):

	A	B	C
1	Town Jailkeeper	Vanilla Townie	Mafia Goon
2	Mafia Roleblocker	Town Cop	Town Doctor
3	Town 1-shot Bulletproof	Mafia Goon	Town Tracker

[Cabd]

What was that you said yesterday about this playerlist, Cabd? Take it back

I do take it back. I thought that nobody here would be so mindfuckingly stupid as to think that a cop would fakeclaim day two in a setup where they are 100% assured to be counterclaimed.

[Cabd]

I'm cop, inno on sakura, she noticed the crumbs and tried to flip the claims around so she'd get nightkilled tonight instead.

Actually I didnt know you were the cop, however I did do that fakecrumb and your reaction towards me made me think if you were scum you'd know I was wrong but you noticed the fakecrumb, and only you would notice if you would be town, so I decided to go along with it so I would get NK'd instead. So yeah half-right, but it was a good gambit overall.

Playing along is fun as hell, isn't it?

[Cabd]

You can thank bert and notsci for that

[Cabd]

Also happy birthday Mala~!

[Cabd]

Also fwiw if there's a doctor in the game

(IF YOU ARE DOC DO NOT FUCKING CLAIM)

optimal play given roleblocker is to flip a coin between protecting me and my innocent result. Keeps scum guessing as to their NK choice.

[Cabd]

So we're not lynching between me, sakura, and probably ffery today. Probably not bert either. Kaze or notsci, or agi?

[Cabd]

What's wrong, notsci? Freaking out that all your mislynch shots just vanished into a plume of smoke?

[Cabd]

Guess so.

Kthnx bai

VOTE: notsci

[Cabd]

Or maybe, I had to get my emotions in check. But by all means.

By all means what? You finally realized what a stupid mistake you just made and ready to scumhunt if you're town?

[Cabd]

Then townhunt. Or tell me why you're town.

{cabd, sakura, ffery, You if you're town} so tell me who the town is out of {bert, kaze, agi}

[Cabd]

Then where's your vote? You're still voting me, in case you didn't notice.

[Cabd]

Why is it that I don't feel that vibe of town passion as strongly in this game???

Why Kaze?? and who do you think 2nd scum is then?

I'm town because my role pm says so.

The only one of that pool I see as scum is kaze.

The other two are a toss up.

[Cabd]

Aka IIT bert asks questions that are already answered.

[Cabd]

Like, I honestly thought she/he was a neighborizer after Day 1.

BTW if this is genuine bert just townslipped the fuck out of the thread.

[Cabd]

Like if I'm scum in matrix 6 the first thing I do is look at my role and my partner's role on the matrix chart and try to predict which town PRs are in the setup.

[Cabd]

BTW if this is genuine bert just townslipped the fuck out of the thread.

That was a continuation of my previous post about how I read Natirasha was a neighborizer D1 in 1482...

Oh. Well then, nevermind.

[Cabd]

NS, sell me on agi-kaze scumteam, or eat rope?

[Cabd]

and the busy/jury duty thing isn't alignment indicative or super lurking excuse

Lol, there's many things I'd do as scum, but faking jury duty (which is public record and the logs are available to the public) is not one of them.

[Cabd]

There's exactly ONE way kaze can obvtown in his response to the past few pages.

[Cabd]

Imma

Unvote

for the time being, this is working out pretty interestingly and I wanna see how all this turns out in the end, but as I said if we get a townbloc of 4 it's auto-win.

It's pretty fun isn't it?

[Cabd]

The best part of this is that I'm not either!

[Cabd]

Scratch another entry from my bucket list wooo

[Cabd]

"Take somebody's gambit and flip it around into them" DONE

[Cabd]

How's that seisure comingffery?

[Cabd]

How's that seisure comingffery?

My siezure circuits fried about 2 Morph games ago. But, if I were going to have one, it would have been about 2 hours ago I think. Whenever my through the looking glass moment happened.

So what do you make of the reactions?

[Cabd]

Wow congratulations I'm not smart enough to keep up with all these gambits, so now I'm genuinely confused

AHAHAHAHA

Well i'm not sure what Cabd was trying to go with his gambit (maybe confirm me as town as well? idk) I already explained what I wanted to do with mine.

Would either of you like the long explanation of it?

[Cabd]

Not really, but I wasn't caring about reactions until the game was over.

[Cabd]

Okay so, gather round kiddos.

This is the story of a man who just can't help himself with his gambits.

So, many a page ago, Cabd sees Sakura Hana crumbing an innocent on him. "Well fuck yeah" he went. "Now I don't have to worry about dipshits voting me and can find scum unhindered."

But then Mr. Notscience came in and in a meaniepants voice said "No. Cabd is scum." and continues to tunnel said read into the night.

With the very real potential danger of Sakura (Cop in Cabd's eyes) having to out herself and her result, Cabd chose the more trolltastic option.

Thinking Sakura Hana was the cop and playing along, Cabd claimed cop instead, with an innocent on Sakura, effectively reversing the scenario. Now scum would kill cabd that night, not Sakura, and therefore, she would get another investigation off.

"But wait, I'm not a cop!" went Sakura. That changed everything. With the real possibility of the REAL town PR counterclaiming, Cabd had no choice but to retract his gambit, lest we get a massclaim a day early.


TL;DR I'm town as fuck, sakura's town as fuck.
#Dealwithit

[Cabd]

Oh oh oh, and is it possible that one or both of us are actually town PRs (maybe even a cop!) and are totally fucking with scum right now? Absolutely.

[Cabd]

If anyone is dumb enough to doubt this btw I can show you the logical progression of the gambit step by step

once i'm done feeling lazy

[Cabd]

Sakura, natirasha and I are rubbing off on you, aren't we?

[Cabd]

Btw ffery you can tell me how you figured it out wheeeeenever you'd like.

Or don't. Meh

[Cabd]

I didn't realize both were gambits until you did the tl;dr.

Unless of course one of them wasn't a gambit~

[Cabd]

Bert, if you're town just put it aside, or i'll be forced to come up with even more ways to make your head hurt.

[Cabd]

Btw ffery you can tell me how you figured it out wheeeeenever you'd like.

Or don't. Meh

I don't think I should atm, tbh. Might accidentally telegraph something.

ok!

[Cabd]

you did a crazy gambit dang

Well yes and no. Remember, I legit thought sakura was the cop; so from my point of view, I was just protecting her.


That said.

Cabd?
Doing a fucking insane gambit with high risk?

Who the hell would have thought he of all people would gambit?!?

[Cabd]

thought of tracker when I saw her do that

Me too but it doesn't matter, funny enough.


So {sakura, ffery, cabd.... notsci?} one more in {bert, agi, kaze}

UNVOTE:

[Cabd]

Kaze is probably going to get in here and yell at us for being annoying or something.

[Cabd]

Note my question marks. Ffery sure thinks he is.

[Cabd]

Note my question marks. Ffery sure thinks he is.

Do you disagree?

Am I missing something?

I'm less than enthusiastic about evaluating notsvi's reaction given his idiotic tunneling me all game. let me sleep on it and get back to you.

[Cabd]

That's so risky though, if there's a real cop out there then you would cause a counterclaim

Unless I am actually the cop.

As I said tl;dr. scum doesnt know whether I am gambiting or just using Cabd's gambit to continue hiding (nor does town) but that gives u 2 ppl that are most likely town from your PoV, from my PoV Cabd is conftown, feel free to speculate as to why that is

You ~are~ enjoying this. Welcome to the dark side.

[Cabd]

Will Kaze ask if I have a history of doing this as a given alignment?

Place your bets folks!

Yes: _________
No: _________

[Cabd]

so ffery i think i see what you see if you're seeing what i see, but i don't think it's what you think it is.


~brain splodes~

[Cabd]

Oh dear.

[Cabd]

I request replacement.

Sorry, guys. Sorry, Mala. Real life is a bitch.

Cheers.

^^^This is null, he replaced out site-wide pretty much.

[Cabd]

Falling asleep and need to retread day one but I think Kaze slot is the lynch today.

[Cabd]

Ffery and Bert, you guys should chat with me

Ffery, does Cabd always announce a gambit like this midgame?

Bert you should chat with me about reads plox

I prefer not to reveal gambits until they work. IDGAF what phase of the game that is.

[Cabd]

Bert you should chat with me about reads plox

Cabd has a history of crazy gambits as

scum

all alignments

Fixed that for ya.

[Cabd]

Unless of course she really is the cop. And then we are. This is something we sort TOMORROW ~if~ we lynch wrong, because at this point it's only possible* for both or neither of us to be scum, really. And since I'm not scum, neither is she*.


(*It's technically possible sakura is faking all this as scum but I don't think she would be able to)

[Cabd]

I'll show you why it's best left to tomorrow in a bit.

[Cabd]

I'm tempted to do one of those "here's every possible scum pairing and how it makes/doesn't make sense" posts just because I know ffery hates 'em.

[Cabd]

But really the only scenario where sakura is scum here is if she's scum with ffery, and I don't see that being the case or anything soooooo...

I mean had ffery speed wagoned me yesterday I'd have called her town as I went down and she probably knows that.