Newbie 1436 ~ Game Over

[Sakura Hana]

Hi GM can i sheep you

Vote: ns

[Sakura Hana]

vote: agi

Because rolefishing

also

V/LA for 1 week

[Sakura Hana]

Time to try and gambit.

VOTE: agi102

^
Scum claim.

[Sakura Hana]

My point isnt the self-vote, but that he had to come and say that he was gambiting, why would you need to specify you're gambiting if you're gambiting is like applying a pressure vote and saying it's for pressure.

P-Edit: Did Morph just split in 2...

[Sakura Hana]

Thanks for ignoring my previous post ns, you're showing lots of chainsawing of your partner towards me.

[Sakura Hana]

Sakura, I know you are kinda sorta V/LA, but your distinct lack of presence in this game is making me nervous.

Kind of since i got limited ammount of time, i focus on other games.

I absolutely LOVE to 1v1 people

Cool let's 1v1 then.

Unvote
Vote: ns

[Sakura Hana]

Bit busy Sakura. Nice try though.

Did you care that I have been busy tho.

[Sakura Hana]

Why is cabd scum?

[Sakura Hana]

Which shows you aren't reading my posts

I'm literally barely reading anything and skimming most stuff, care to link me?

[Sakura Hana]

I'm gonna sheep here a sec, don't mind me.
VOTE: Cabd

Why not just lynch me instead since i haven't read anything to being really busy (save a few posts last page), instead of someone that's actually contributing?

[Sakura Hana]

After monday.

[Sakura Hana]

Also there's a heavy rain and work shift just ended but im stuck here for a bit, so might as well answer any stuff while i can since i prob. will post veeeeery sporadically this weekend.

[Sakura Hana]

Ok i took that chance to read through the pages I had skipped and I see why ns would think Cabd's scum, however i think that's mostly a TvT argument, Cabd's being cabd, and ns has good reasons to think cabd's scum if he hasn't played with him.

Unvote

Despite that tho, I haven't seen GM do much of anything and just tries to get me dead just like in monks and masons

Vote: GM

Ok, if i'm not quicklynched i may be able to get more posts in next week, for now cya every1

[Sakura Hana]

I'm back from V/LA Will be re-reading and stuff.

[Sakura Hana]

To explain that one post, gravija had me and cabd as scumreads, yet he was voting cabd who was contributing more than me, so I offered myself instead since I was also his scumread and I was contributing less due to V/LA.

[Sakura Hana]

Need to

talk with my gut

.

ftfy

Unvote
Vote: Bert

I don't like your gut.

[Sakura Hana]

If she doesn't step it up now that she's supposedly back, I'll have some problems.

I'm already stepping it up, are you having problems?

[Sakura Hana]

If she doesn't step it up now that she's supposedly back, I'll have some problems.

I'm already stepping it up, are you having problems?

What was your read of Bert's predecessor? What's the rationale for your vote? The reason you posted doesn't tell me much.

I don't even remember how his predecessor felt atm, but i ISO'd him and that was a weak town lean, but i cant get much out of 5 posts.

Bert on the other hand, I'm not liking his gut reasonings looks like an easy way to get mislynches like in mismatching flavor mafia.

[Sakura Hana]

Acceptable lynches today:

Cabd, Sakura, TSO

Just pick me then because I'm townreading Cabd and TSO, and im just pretty much useless here anyway (Hint: I haven't read more than half this thread in depth and I had already forgotten what happened before my V/LA)

I still think Bert's scum, and if he's town his gut is most likely wrong anyway.

[Sakura Hana]

And what if it makes me look scummy? Do I look like I care? I'm used to being lynched by now, and if I have to find scum via people voting me so be it.

@GM: Your question is "Really?" Answer is: I don't remember, I might have had a point back then, but I don't remember it anymore.

[Sakura Hana]

His post read transparent and genuine.

Why is he scum?

P-Edit: Well then almost everyone is stating that i'm scum yet they prefer to vote Cabd who I'm townreading, this is interesting.

[Sakura Hana]

@Bert: I'm townreading Cabd because of all these:

You. You're fuckifiknow but I suppose I'll have to sort you sooner or later. Probably later, I'm a lazy fucker right now

To futher explain the paranoia I get....
<snip>

People keep getting an inflated idea of what my scumgame looks like, le sigh.

Ill vote when I'm ready. I don't want a shithammer this game like varsoon did last newbie I subbed into.

BTW this is about as close to an innocent child as we're gonna get this game. Not lynching this thing EVER.

This is the part where I play scummy all day one, obvtown it up in twilight, and get shot at night one, right?

Light townread on cliche, agi looks like day one lynchfodder of choice.

[Sakura Hana]

TSO stop acting like you're the cause of the Cabd wagon

Why keep driving a wagon on him?

[Sakura Hana]

Sakura I'd rather lynch a scumfuck than lynch so you don't have to read

Why is he scum?

[Sakura Hana]

So suddenly from TSO, Cabd scumteam people start seeing GM as scum.

Btw Bert you're not gonna get towncred for busing.

[Sakura Hana]

The "btw you get no towncred for bussing" is just as bad as me saying "you don't get towncred for defending Cabd."

So you no longer think Cabd is scum?

Why do you think GM is scum? Is it for the same reasons I pointed out last week?

What do you actually think of me defending Cabd and TSO?

[Sakura Hana]

I'm gonna lead a wagon and just not feel like I came in and just sheeped a townread for the heck of it.

Except I was voting GM before I voted you and I'm still scumreading GM.

Do you mean you were townreading me this whole time and you just didnt vote GM because I was voting her?

[Sakura Hana]

Ok Bert's town

Unvote

See and this is why I wasn't following Town majority, now back to GM.
[/b]Vote: GM[/b]

[Sakura Hana]

Vote: GM

wow

[Sakura Hana]

those 2 posts happened within 5 minutes @ns you're reaching.

[Sakura Hana]

And here i thought i was WKing Cabd.

P-Edit: lol ok

P-Editx2: Let's not.

[Sakura Hana]

So Sakura, who WOULD you lynch?

Why am I even asking?

Yea why are you asking if it's obvious who I want lynched.

[Sakura Hana]

I thought you said it was Cabd-Sakura scumteam before?

[Sakura Hana]

@TSO: I think my vote speaks for itself.

[Sakura Hana]

@Agi: Hey i've crossbused as scum before and it worked.

[Sakura Hana]

I'm really not comfortable putting down a vote quite yet.

We have <48 hours until deadline so get comfortable soon.

[Sakura Hana]

I was townreading TSO for reasons I explained earlier, I wanted to oppose a scumread for the heck of opposing it by WKing the target and see what kind of reactions I would get due to it. In realitiy he's null, and then I oppopsed you, which helped me get a better read on you. GM is still flying out there saying I'm scum without directly engaging me, so I feel happy wtih my vote there.

[Sakura Hana]

No. I am saying notsci v. Cabd was Town v. Town. I was saying that you and Sakura are the Scum, but if by some anti-miracle one of you flips Town then Cabd could be Scum, meaning notsci v. Cabd was NOT Town v. Town after all.

I thought you didnt like pre-flip associative tells?
Why are you lining up lynches?

[Sakura Hana]

You mean an intent to put him at L-1?

[Sakura Hana]

Yeah saying X is town if Y flips scum and hence Z would also be scum is totally not an association.

[Sakura Hana]

The issue I have with your case is that you think TSO's busing Cabd, and im townreading Cabd.

[Sakura Hana]

In other words, X and Y are Scum. If I am wrong about one of them, Z is Scum.

That's association, and also lining up lynches.

[Sakura Hana]

And how do you come to the conclusion of Z being Scum if either of those are town? without using associations.

[Sakura Hana]

Z is simply my third-scummiest read, or conversely my sixth-towniest read (as in this case).

That is not what you're saying at all, if you were you would just say "I have scumreads on X,Y and Z"

What you're saying is that if either X or Y is town then Z is confscum, which is lining up lynches with associations, let's suppose you lynch X/Y that person flips town so you go "Ok then Z and Y are scum" You lynch either of those, that person flips town too, then town's in LyLo then what.

[Sakura Hana]

So when Cabd votes Bert he breaks out instantly, that's quite a bit overreacting but i'd understand with the short deadline, his latest posts are killing my townread on him. I'll think about it within the next few

P-Edit: Nevermind that OMGUS is bad

Unvote
Vote: Bert

[Sakura Hana]

I've had a null read on TSO for a while maybe you can convince me since ns wont.

[Sakura Hana]

YOU though. YOU just OMGUS'd Cabd then voted TSO and proceeded to vote GM in the course of a few posts. What the actual fuck?

It's called getting desperate because there's little time until deadline, we all want to get a lynch in.

I'll go back to GM because I don't think Bert would have pulled that claim with reads, etc like that without having intent if he was scum and i doubt he'd fake that desperation.

Unvote
Vote: GM

[Sakura Hana]

Instead tho we got <12 hours until deadline and no one has even declared intent on GM.

[Sakura Hana]

Heck it looks like GM is at L-2 >_>

[Sakura Hana]

Yeah we need a lynch, and I'm gonna be here by deadline in either case, I'll vote my vote to TSO, ONLY if we need it for a lynch, but I rather lynch GM at this point.

[Sakura Hana]

Do you think self-meta is scum motivated?

[Sakura Hana]

I've seen quite some gambits in newbies like a cop fake claiming 1 shot bp.

I'm still gonna be around for at least 8 more hours so yeah im p.much gonna be here the rest of the deadline.

@ns: you should hammer GM.

[Sakura Hana]

Will she even be here for that? If so then yeah I agree.

I'm just nervous about deadline hitting before anything happens at all.

[Sakura Hana]

im still around for any quick changes and as i mentioned before im willing to hang TSO too if that's the compromise lynch, besides my scumread on GM is weakening

Unvote
Vote: TSO

[Sakura Hana]

that should be L-1 i think

[Sakura Hana]

There's likely at least one scum on his wagon. Not sure whom yet.

By that logic, there's likely at most 4 town in his wagon too.

I've been on GM for the longest of D1 why does her death imply a frameattempt on ffery instead of me?

Why has every1 forgotten about ns?

TSO was a compromise quicklynch because of GM looking townier, not sure wagon analysis in there is gonna help when half the playerbase wasn't even around.

I Whiteknighted Cabd pretty hard yesterday and he and me are still living, that's... kind of troubling.

[Sakura Hana]

Idk yet, I had him as town yesterday, but I just woke up and saw you guys discussing and I'm surprised you guys didnt even mention him while you mentioned agi who did nothing yesterday.

[Sakura Hana]

Cool. If you want to ask me questions about anything today, it will make me get off the couch and skim particular things. <3

What are your updated reads after both flips?

[Sakura Hana]

Cabd - This guy is innocent until proven guilty.

ffery - Super Town

notscience - Gut Scum read, but my head tells me that he's town.

Bert - The opposite of notscience, Gut Town read, but my head tells me that he's scum.

agi - Don't know

Kaze - Don't know.

And I didn't need to skim ISOs for that.

[Sakura Hana]

I Whiteknighted Cabd pretty hard yesterday and he and me are still living, that's... kind of troubling.

Why is it troubling?

I was writing a response to this, but I think I rather keep scum guessing for at least 1 more game day.

[Sakura Hana]

What is off about notscience's play such that he is gut scum?

I can't explain my gut reads, basically like something feels like it's scum but i cant put my finger on it.
Analysis of his play so far is what has led me to

think

he's town, but i

feel

he's scum.
If that's a better way to put it.

[Sakura Hana]

If I'm dead tomorrow I'll let you wonder as I think you guys can figure it out by yourselves, just like Cabd already did.

As I said, he's innocent until proven guilty, what do you think I'm reading him then? I think that's pretty much self-explanatory.

Basically I want the analysis to come from whatever scum decides to do, giving the analysis before tomorrow would make them easily WIFOM me with their night actions.

[Sakura Hana]

If I dont split them up, you can figure out that I get the same read from both.

[Sakura Hana]

That's for me to know and for you to figure out.

[Sakura Hana]

I think I'm going to try here for now

agi102

Consider this also a spiritual vote towards Kaze that i dont want to cast because there's still 2 scum running around and Bert is in the "Need help sorting out" kind of place.

[Sakura Hana]

Vote: Agi102

Ops

[Sakura Hana]

If I remember correctly, it was a c laim not under pressure.

L-1 with intent to hammer is quite a lot of pressure dont you think.

[Sakura Hana]

VOTE: Cabd

This is a bad vote.

[Sakura Hana]

No actually Cabd is town.

Why are you so fixated on him?

[Sakura Hana]

Hmm i'm more interested in townhunting among the remaining 4 to be honest. We got a townbloc of {Me, Cabd, ffery} if we find 1 more is auto-win (If we mislynch, scum hits one of the 4, there's still 3 conftown for a lylo)

[Sakura Hana]

No one's conftown?

That's what you think.

[Sakura Hana]

I'm cop, inno on sakura, she noticed the crumbs and tried to flip the claims around so she'd get nightkilled tonight instead.

Actually I didnt know you were the cop, however I did do that fakecrumb and your reaction towards me made me think if you were scum you'd know I was wrong but you noticed the fakecrumb, and only you would notice if you would be town, so I decided to go along with it so I would get NK'd instead. So yeah half-right, but it was a good gambit overall.

[Sakura Hana]

I figured you would be able to follow up on it tomorrow if I got NK'd anyway, which is why i didnt want to out it today.

[Sakura Hana]

NS, sell me on agi-kaze scumteam, or eat rope?

Actually this sounds logical tbh, but i'll let ns tell you

[Sakura Hana]

Imma

Unvote

for the time being, this is working out pretty interestingly and I wanna see how all this turns out in the end, but as I said if we get a townbloc of 4 it's auto-win.

[Sakura Hana]

there's PoE... Sakura what do you think of Agi and the newb pass??

I've been thinking of possible agi scum for a while now, he was who I was voting, but i unvoted just in case so we have time to form our townbloc of at least 4 before someone's lynched.

[Sakura Hana]

It's pretty fun isn't it?

Yes it is, I liked the gambit tbh, even if it drew a kill towards me since I knew I was a VT it would be drawing a kill away from a possible PR, while at the same time figuring you out better, I should have outed myself as cop scanning you tho, but I didn't do it since I didn't think you were the cop and had already scanned me, and I didnt want to risk the real PR outing him/herself at the time, which is why I was doing it very subtly, it would have been FINE if ns and bert didnt get in the way but oh well, at least we can form our 4 ppl townbloc for an auto-win.

[Sakura Hana]

This is like the first time I've done a gambit like this, now I see why you like them.

[Sakura Hana]

Well i'm not sure what Cabd was trying to go with his gambit (maybe confirm me as town as well? idk) I already explained what I wanted to do with mine.

[Sakura Hana]

I don't mind.

[Sakura Hana]

tl;dr you get 2 conftowns and scum doesnt know whether we're PRs or not still.

P-Edit: lol'd

[Sakura Hana]

That's so risky though, if there's a real cop out there then you would cause a counterclaim

Unless I am actually the cop.

As I said tl;dr. scum doesnt know whether I am gambiting or just using Cabd's gambit to continue hiding (nor does town) but that gives u 2 ppl that are most likely town from your PoV, from my PoV Cabd is conftown, feel free to speculate as to why that is

[Sakura Hana]

If you're town you shouldn't worry about the gambit, it's mostly so scum gets confused.

[Sakura Hana]

How about you try seeing it from my PoV?

[Sakura Hana]

Literally the only way Cabd can be scum is if he was scum with me and I know that's not possible.

[Sakura Hana]

P-edit: oh Cabd, I saw that game where Sakura was scum in 1428 (or was it 1426)? The one where Grimgroove finally got mislynched as town...I noticed you posted in it at the end too....nice beetlejuicing!! Sakura: "I bet Cabd is following this." Cabd "HEY IM HERE!"

Cabd complimented me in my town game once, and I think I did a good job there (managed to get grimgroove mislynched) so I wanted to hear his opinion on it, unrelated to this tho.

[Sakura Hana]

Normally it's like 24 hours IF the replacement comes in before day ends.

[Sakura Hana]

Also assuming the replacement comes in very close to deadline.

[Sakura Hana]

I'm up for lynching either agi or Kaze i think they make sense as scum team, considering both would be the most newbies here which would make sense with the claimed VT NK, however I can also see scum doing that mislead us, and the only person i think would pull that would be either ffery or ns, and im townreading ffery...

[Sakura Hana]

*doint that to mislead us

damn my typos

[Sakura Hana]

1) Tomorrow's most likely mass claim day.
2) If I get NK'd you guys will have more info, and if I don't I'll have more info.
3) We're forming a townbloc for an auto-win which funnily enough ns and bert have been trying to dissipate. <- this can wait to be analyzed.

[Sakura Hana]

If you have doubts then lynch me first, since im the one that crumbed, and since you want to lynch me rather than NK me.

Unvote
Vote: notscience

That's an interesting case, but so u know scum can pull cases too, I had my doubts about Cabd too, why else would I do what I did? Oh, and be prepared for dealing with tomorrow once I flip.

[Sakura Hana]

I certainly will be happy to see how notscience will explain his case eventually after I flip

[Sakura Hana]

And you aren't voting me which is interesting.

[Sakura Hana]

Busy voting your scumbud.

Why Cabd over me? Why the person that was cleared over the person that cleared them? Oh right, you're scared of my flip.

[Sakura Hana]

Because from my PoV Cabd is conftown, idc whether you believe it or not at this point, I've already explained multiple times, I've crumbed enough for after when I die people can look back and see what I did, so as far as I'm concerned my job here is done and I can die happy becuase people will see you for what you really are.

P-Edit: I'm not gonna flip scum, get over it.

[Sakura Hana]

He's scared of lynching me because he knows my flip would make Cabd conf town lol.

[Sakura Hana]

I don't think I'm getting alive to tomorrow regardless anyway.

If notscience doesn't wanna believe me, then that's all fine and dandy, my flip will explain everything, so I encourage everyone in here to take your pick between ns and me and lynch one, i'll even self-hammer if necessary as I said my job here is done.

[Sakura Hana]

Not worth it sakura, cuz then you get lynched i get NK'd.

Hmm you have a point there.

Dangit there's something we can do so scum doesn't get away with this.

[Sakura Hana]

So ok, since I'm townreading ffery at the momment I'll just try to work with her, considering scum would try to twist my words.

So ffery, do you have any reason not to believe that if I were a cop wouldnt I have investigated Cabd, the person I can never tell the alignment of, N1?

[Sakura Hana]

Scumbags like you should just keep their mouths shut instead of trying to spread conf-- oh wait nevermind that's your job.

[Sakura Hana]

The only problem I have with this as an argument is that you said you had a Cabd town read on day 1.

Yes now, would Scum-Cabd have killed me D1 if I didnt?

[Sakura Hana]

Err N1 i mean, or you never know, even getting me lynched D1.

[Sakura Hana]

The only problem I have with this as an argument is that you said you had a Cabd town read on day 1.

Yes now, would Scum-Cabd have killed me D1 if I didnt?

Why would he kill you for scumreading him?

Hint: As scum, he doesn't usually eliminate players who are scumreading him.

Well that's good to know as well, but that was my plan, which is why I WK'd the heck out of him D1.

Now if i'm not the cop, do you think I would come up with that gambit as VT, and that Cabd would have picked up on it believing I was the cop with an inno on him?
Do you think scum-Cabd would deceive me by picking up on said crumb and acting as if he had nothing to worry about because there was a cop inno on him?
Do you think scum-Cabd would have claimed Cop to protect me whom he thought was the real cop?

[Sakura Hana]

But, I don't believe VT you would have run this gambit.

You're right, I actually didn't make this gambit on my own, I kind of wanted to continue WKing Cabd and see what would come from that come tomorrow and check whether I was NK'd or not. After Cabd's reaction I thought my plan was spoiled then I looked at my read list and thought it looked like I was outing a cop innocent on him and from his reaction acting all conf town and like knowing I would out him as my innocent is what made me think he's actually Town, if he was scum he would have probably pushed the fact that I'm usually paranoid of him like he initially started doing before he noticed the unintentional crumb.

That's why I have a really strong townread on him.

[Sakura Hana]

Oh and yes, in fact im not a cop, not saying whether im a PR or not tho, but that's pretty much how it boils down to.

And here I wanted to keep scum more in the dark, but well since notscience is one of them we can just lynch him and be even.

[Sakura Hana]

My head hurts.

I'm making it easy for you, just lynch me, then everything will be cleared up, all the information you need is already laid out, I've done my job here, if Cabd gets NK'd then that shows how notscience case is pure BS, tho my flip will be enough to show that.

[Sakura Hana]

"lynch me"

"lynch ns so its even"

I'm offering myself up to you on a silver plate, but ppl arent voting me I wonder why. Ok then i'll do something ffery knows I've done as scum then

Unvote
Vote: Sakura Hana

Here, lynch me and after I flip town get ns tomorrow.

[Sakura Hana]

We are going to make scum work for this.

Well ok fine

Unvote
Vote: notscience

[Sakura Hana]

: Nobody has refuted the scum kaze case, so.... he's scum but nobody cares?

tbh I was so focused on notscience that I forgot about Kaze, actually notscience seems to be wanting to take the spotlight whenever we try to get kaze lynched... hmm

[Sakura Hana]

It's not like a replacement will change the slot's alignment just saying, but if the slot is town a replacement can give new insight on stuff we may have missed.

[Sakura Hana]

Agi there's 2 scum among you, mario, bert and notscience, who is it?

[Sakura Hana]

so we got our 4th already, that's a good sign.

[Sakura Hana]

Agi who do you "know" is town?

I think that was quite obvious.

[Sakura Hana]

which technically clears me, agi and cabd, and ffery is a strong town read so, gg, auto-win.

Unless Cabd faked the fact that he thought I was the cop due to the fakecrumb

Guess i didnt need to die for ns's case to crumble.

[Sakura Hana]

pretty much even if we mislynch that's 3 conf towns for tomorrow on LyLo so yaaay

[Sakura Hana]

I didnt "claim" i fakecrumbed it in hopes of getting a better read out of Cabd's reaction AND draw the NK towards me since im VT.

[Sakura Hana]

BTW this is the funniest newbie game i've seen in a long time. Nice gambiting with ya, sakura.

Told you that you can gambit even in open games

[Sakura Hana]

Agi might be gambit ting

Didn't he or she gambit earlier on d1

With both me and cabd gambiting at cop claim while agi being absent it doesnt surprise me he never attempted to CC us before, which is a good thing so the gambit worked as intended and he wasnt outed, but his claim atm pretty much clears us both unless you think there's 3 scum, at least one of us has to be town, and with either me or cabd being town clears the other, and agi being town clears all of us 3, so which one is it?

[Sakura Hana]

There's still a chance for Cabd to be scum, but I still dont think that he would have picked up on my reads as if i was a cop fakecrumbing and playing through with it, to the point of fake claiming cop himself to protect me then retracting it when i claimed VT because it might out the real cop... idk it just doesnt fit into my head why would he do stuff like that as scum, it puts him in too much danger of a CC.

[Sakura Hana]

In an open game like this? there's ALWAYS going to be a CC if you fake claim Cop, Cop is like the worst fake claim if you want to survive yourself.

[Sakura Hana]

basically if you fake claim Cop you ARE going to be CC'd (same with tracker and jailkeeper), only scum claims that can be safe sometimes are doctor and 1 shot BP.

[Sakura Hana]

His princess is in another castle obviously.

[Sakura Hana]

You crumbed it at the start, so I believe you. Sad ns' pressure didnt help my gambit so i could take the bullet for you instead.

[Sakura Hana]

So Mario, when you're done beating up Bowser could you come in and comment in the thread?

[Sakura Hana]

Unvote
Vote: Mario

[Sakura Hana]

Is that L-1?

I think so.

[Sakura Hana]

So in other words another replace out...

Unvote

[Sakura Hana]

Yeah let's just do this

Vote: Mario

Sorry Agi, more than likely you're dying tonight unless there's a doctor, It'd be nice if you give your reads and thoughts before day ends just in case.

[Sakura Hana]

So according to wisdom there's only 1 scum remaining.

Wisdom's townreads: Me, Agi (for obvious reasons). Then ns, Bert, ffery.

Wisdom's Scumreads: Cabd.

Guys he's townread everyone but the person I think is conftown.

[Sakura Hana]

Think a little, there was a way to actually know that Sakura was not telling the truth about being a cop.

Indeed, but had that been the case he would have pushed me for not being paranoid of him like I usually am.

[Sakura Hana]

So scum is 2 out of ns, Bert and Wisdom, happy with my vote where it is.

[Sakura Hana]

Might wanna get off Wisdom, if we ML we're in LyLo as I said earlier

If we ML we have 3 conf towns tomorrow anyway, so LyLo will be easy.

[Sakura Hana]

Who are the conf towns? I am lazy
More importantly, what if scum NKs one of these conf towns (which it probably will)?

You, me and Cabd (because of the gambit). ffery is a strong townread so I believe her claim for now.

ns, Bert and Wisdom are the ones that are still sort of in the "Let's sort out" kind of place.

[Sakura Hana]

As for the 2nd question, it's 3 conf town tomorrow assuming scum NKs any of the current 4.

[Sakura Hana]

Regardless you're a strong townread of me, if you werent i wouldn't have believed it claim or not

[Sakura Hana]

ffery I already told you Cabd is town, now let's lynch scum Wisdom.

[Sakura Hana]

trying to meta wisdom brb

Hint, he death tunnels me when he's town, and doesn't when he's scum... however by the time he got here I was confirmed town, so that may be why in this case, which means this time it's a null and I don't know... however his predecessor Kaze was scummy, and he showed signs of amished tell when he replaced in, so yeah.

[Sakura Hana]

NY165 is huge so I don't think anybody is going to actually read it. Sakura, Cabd was in the top tier of my townpile for most of three game days. Unquestionably town for most of that time. He wasn't town. Even after I started suspecting him - and I tracked him to a dead body on night 3 - I still waffled for the rest of my time in the game.

Excuse me if I don't totally buy in to your town read.

I understand your paranoia, but I don't think Paranoia will take us anywhere fast, he fell for my gambit like a town would, and that's why I'm townreading him. Just look at the 2 posts when he mentioned "That's different from how you usually read me Sakura" and the next "Oh wait nevemrind, I see now".

If he had been Scum who knew I wasn't the cop, he would have proceeded and pushed me for having a different read on him than usual, which is true, and part of my playstyle change is to not give in to paranoia and try to sort out people im paranoid of in a different maner. So I kind of have him as a strong townread since that point.

[Sakura Hana]

Or wisdom is fakeclaiming a role that can't be CC'd because he KNOWS there isnt a roleblocker.

[Sakura Hana]

Tho that can be decided on LyLo so... imma unvote for the time being.

Unvote

If he's lying there's guaranteed 1 scum between ns and bert, otherwise they both are scum.

[Sakura Hana]

Cabd is scum, sakura.

Nope

[Sakura Hana]

How do you not see it? They roleblocked you and he knew you're bluffing. It's exactly the kind of chance a scum player like cabd needed.

I already explained why, scum would easily know I was bluffing because I wouldn't have an innocent on them, but a guilty, so that's irrelevant whether they have a roleblocker or not.

[Sakura Hana]

Because the way he acted made it look like he realized I was the "cop" late.

[Sakura Hana]

the only reason he keeps ate'ing this hard is to appeal to you.

Why would he need to do that? I already said I'm never voting him.

On other news I think my vote is gonna head here now:

Vote: notscience

If you're really the doc then help me find the roleblocker so that our cop lives tonight.

[Sakura Hana]

Am I? I think I've said enough why Cabd is super town because of my gambit. Why did he fake a cop inno on me to protect me from a NK if that would put him on hot waters if the real cop came and claimed, assuming he did know I wasn't the cop.

[Sakura Hana]

Also, Wisdom, I'm just 1 person, he doesn't need to appeal to me, im not even voting him and already stated that I will never vote him.

[Sakura Hana]

Considering I was the main actor fo that fake claim consider how I feel, but it's a different scenario, back then I had no way of knowing for certain there was a cop, but I had a feeling pieguy was one, in this game there's a claimed cop, so it's easy for scum to fakeclaim.

[Sakura Hana]

I didnt say ffery was conftown, she's just a very strong townread of mine.

[Sakura Hana]

Also her latest posts just make her even more town in my eyes.

[Sakura Hana]

Because i'm the shoe in lynch at LYLO. And that will lose the game. It's better to lynch me now (hurry the fuck up notscience) and go from there tomorrow.

Easy, we lynch scum today and tomorrow wont be LYLO, lynching you would guarantee LYLO tomorrow tho.

[Sakura Hana]

If ns is scum, who's his partner?? Trying to see this from your POV.

Either you or wisdom.
If ffery's scum then she has me fooled so far, but i'm not discounting that possibility

[Sakura Hana]

So since ns claimed VT can we just flashlynch him anyway and then his buddy of Bert/Wisdom?

Wisdom if he's the real doc he'll die tonight, because otherwise scum will have to shoot at someone else since the cop will be protected for sure, if the cop dies then wisdom is scum.

[Sakura Hana]

Damn forgot about the roleblocker.

[Sakura Hana]

So ok let's put all possible pairings then I want you guys to look at each of them and check how likely is each one
Cabd-ffery.
Cabd-notscience.
Cabd-Bert
Cabd-Wisdom

ffery-notscience
ffery-Bert
ffery-Wisdom

notscience-Bert
notscience-Wisdom.

[Sakura Hana]

Oh yeah that one too.

Might have thought I already put you in there with him before.

[Sakura Hana]

Anyway:
You can probably know I'm going to say No to any pairing involving Cabd. Also limiting myself to believing Wisdom to be the Doc and see what comes out of it.

Cabd-ffery.
Cabd-notscience.
Cabd-Bert
Cabd-Wisdom

ffery-Wisdom

notscience-Bert: The fact im getting opposite gut feels and mind feels on them makes me think most likely this pairing isn't possible

notscience-Wisdom

Bert-Wisdom

That leaves...
ffery-notscience
ffery-Bert

mind blown X_X

[Sakura Hana]

That is i dont think ns and bert make sense as a scum team from my gut feels, and this is assuming Cabd is town and Wisdom is telling the truth about being Doc, that means ffery would be 100% scum, so maybe Cabd... has a chance of being scum after all!

Tho if Wisdom is fakeclaiming that makes everything pretty different.

[Sakura Hana]

Actually GM said that Cabd's scum if me or TSO flipped Town, but the thing is that both of us were Town... hmm...

[Sakura Hana]

Ok so imo it's either wisdom or ffery with either ns or Bert.

[Sakura Hana]

or wisdom and ffery, ah wth i'll just lay it out here, my opinion

wisdom-ffery
wisdom-notscience
wisdom-bert

ffery-notscience
ffery-bert

[Sakura Hana]

But ffery cannot be scum otherwise she'd have already hammered Cabd which means...

Wisdom-notscience
Wisdom-bert

[Sakura Hana]

UNLESS Cabd-ffery.

What do you guys think.

[Sakura Hana]

Well I think this is Town v Town unless one of {Sakura, T S O} flips Town

in which case Cabd (tinysmall chance ffery) is Scum.

Aaaand TSO flipped town.

[Sakura Hana]

Or did you forget i pegged her for her "Association tells without flips" all D1 due to that?

[Sakura Hana]

Is this what you're talking about?

I have revised my reads slightly in that I've switched Cabd's and fffff's places.

Still that would still mean she would have some small suspicion towards Cabd there... and a stronger one towards ffery.

[Sakura Hana]

In fact I think she would have hammered Cabd more easily if she was scum with Cabd.

That just clears the Cabd-ffery scumpair, and ffery-Anything other than Cabd pair.

[Sakura Hana]

Which basically just means ffery is 100% town.

[Sakura Hana]

WHy wouldnt ffery hame hammered Cabd yet instead of trying to figure him out if she's scum but Cabd's Town. There's quite a lot of heat towards Cabd atm, and she's trying to reason it out.

And Wisdom's logic says that Cabd-ffery isn't possible either.

[Sakura Hana]

*have hammered

-Dem typos

[Sakura Hana]

I wouldn't put it hastily if everyone else is saying "Cabd's Scum!" while she's trying to figure out what's going on, instead she could've agreed with the case and hammered him or declared an intent or something.

Wisdom: And if Cabd flips town?

[Sakura Hana]

well ffery, the list is out there for you to use and type out the likelihood of each pairing then maybe we can nail down scum.

[Sakura Hana]

I'd say... 1. Because the people voting you are ns, Bert and Wisdom, me and agi are conftown and ffery... i dont think she's scum.

[Sakura Hana]

Are you really town?

ffery just won a seat on the townbloc again.

[Sakura Hana]

If I was scum I would have hammered several pages ago.

This.

Why did nobody ever see this?

[Sakura Hana]

I think I already pointed this out, and that's why Cabd gave me an award.

[Sakura Hana]

I came into this game thinking you could read me, Cabd.

But if you're town, then it was all talk. I expected you to read me like a book, but you didn't and even pushed for my lynch D1. I still won't believe you're town until you flip.

And notscience and ffery both seem town. I'm obviously wrong about one of them at least.

Wisdom can still be scum you know. How many times will I ever have to point out that in Matrix 6 1 shot BP and Doctor are the 2 safest fake claims for scum.

[Sakura Hana]

Remember that we're going straight to LYLO tomorrow so you gotta be careful with what you're voting, however a vote among the Wisdom-ns-Bert triangle is like 99% likely to be scum-town. the 1% being the offchance ffery is scum but i highly doubt it after her reaction to Cabd's self-hammer.

[Sakura Hana]

The main issue will be who I will be voting tomorrow, whether wisdom's doc or not agi's dead tonight, and i'll be the one conftown tomorrow.

ONCE AGAIN IM IN A LYLO AAAARGGHH i have a feelnig im gonna screw it up again

[Sakura Hana]

If wisdom is actually scum

he could easily RB the cop

and kill you.

Then there's a doc... you know.

[Sakura Hana]

If you're town, ffery, this is your punishment for letting paranoia cloud everything you do around me.

And then people wonder why I'm trying to not let paranoia cloud my vision.

[Sakura Hana]

Well if anything i'll be happy if I get NK'd because I sux at LYLO anyway, I haven't won a single Town LYLO ever.

[Sakura Hana]

The one with conf scum.

[Sakura Hana]

Yes but said doc is under suspicion while you're confirmed town sakura.

Yes but being roleblocked ensures a doc exists... which would confirm wisdom as another town.

[Sakura Hana]

Bert/ffery is my top guess. ns really does not look like scum.

Do you really think ffery can be scum after all these interactions?

[Sakura Hana]

The last 24 hours or so hasn't changed anything from your initial readthrough?

That's amazing.

Because he's scum

[Sakura Hana]

So he has to make a way for stuff to fit in with his reads, instead of fitting his reads to stuff that happens.

[Sakura Hana]

we're doomed if he's actually town.

Because of scum like you obviously.

[Sakura Hana]

If Cabd was scum he would have self-hammered way before he did, that's true.

[Sakura Hana]

Well Wisdom since you're so certain, unless he flips scum you'll get flashlynched tomorrow and you flip town then it's game over... all because of your silly death tunnel on town.

[Sakura Hana]

*and if you flip town.

[Sakura Hana]

Did anyone forget that Wisdom left Amished tells (and I pointed this out) when he replaced in.

[Sakura Hana]

I had read until around page 15 and I was certain the

scumteam is Gravija

and Sakura, but apparently Gravija was town.

[Sakura Hana]

Amished tell is when you say the slot you replaced into was scummy. I fell for that when I replaced into a newbie game ffery was in (first time I played with her), and that's when I learned about them, someone else used amished tells after replacing into a slot into a recent newbie game i finished, and guess what... they also flipped scum!

[Sakura Hana]

This is that recent newbie game I mentioned: http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=31336 ISO Keybladewielder.

[Sakura Hana]

Wisdom...

See this is exactly one of the reasons I don't like playing with you.

[Sakura Hana]

why nobody corrected me?

What was I doing THIS ENTIRE DAY!

[Sakura Hana]

Yeah so anyone trying to convince you otherwise were being manipulated by him, sure, and why cant you be scum manipulating people? why cant ns be scum trying to manipulate others into thinking he's scum?...

I've really had enough of your BS Wisdom.

[Sakura Hana]

I can just say

I told you so~

[Sakura Hana]

ffery's still town, and with the cop flip im pretty much conf town at this point, I want to sort out ns/wis/bert, as much as i wanna kill wisdom and ns right now i dont want to make any rash decissions because this is LyLo, I'm most likely gonna die tonight, so i'll do my best to try to find both scum today.