Newbie 1436 ~ Game Over

[Kazekirimaru]

Ohai.

Catching up.

[Kazekirimaru]

Spoiler: Initial Notes

14 - Awkward non-RVS RVS-stage vote.

15 - LITERAL OMGUS. Wow xD

18 - Lurker prods this early...?

20, 22, 24, etc. - Lots of weird interactions that blur the line between RVS and non. It's hard for me to tell what is serious and what isn't at some points. ns brings up good points in his initial posts, though.

29 is good readings.

41 - IIoA ALL DAY LONG, BRAH. And asking about PRs? You need votes. Super tempted to stop reading and just vote you right now because this. My GOD.

52 - maybe you really are just that noob.

62 - Typical ns is typical. Town again, huh?

68 - Wait WHAT. Why do you know about gambits and theory and not about Rolefishing and IIoA? No sense no sense no sense

71 - How the hell are we still in day one? Why is this alive?

- lots of talk about replace ins and games ive never heard of -

- lots of Cabd schooling bitches -

101 - I found ns's activity this early interesting too. But his content feels townish, at least.

116 - But whyyyyyy v.v Perhaps I'm conf biasing at this point. hm.

129 - I seriously hate it when people say "Nice try." It sets off my psychobabble tell alarms. But it's coming from ns who's a barrel of snark so it's null.

131 - And then you post this. ns, are you scum this game? You never get this passionate when you're town. Srsly.

140 - This interaction feels awkward. Like coaching, like scolding really. Blatantly. But not...scum motivated? It feels so weird.

166 - Right?

186 - Why, though?

192 - Policy Lynching? The fuck, ns?

200 - Ohai. Looks like both NOTYO and morph are here representing. Snazzy.

204 205 I'm going to assume this is a joke because there is NO WAY that really just genuinely happened.

207 Oh.

217 - Not sure, but I kinda like this post. I can see the logic here. ns may be town. Cabd may be scum.

220 - Feeling this right now.

223 - But the bickering here is stupid.

228 - nonono put it back you're a derp. Sakura feels townish again. Cabd/TSO?

240 - I seriously dislike your play, mmk? Feels supernoob something; not sure if supernoobtown or supernoobscum.

247 - Agreements agreements agreements here yush.

248 - You want to put Cabd in your scumpile but...you can't because...paranoia? Wat?

267 - Uhh...?

280 +1 to the first part of this post regarding TSO.

294 - This. Bert, you so town. I'm sorry I ever doubted you. Let's be friends.

Kay, so, ns is probably town.
So is Bert.
So is Fferyllt

I'll happily admit right now a lot of my townreads on these three are because we share similar reads. If I can see how people came to their conclusions, it gives me fuzzy warm town feels about them.

I can't read GM worth a damn. Had like one decent post to my knowledge but mostly idfk. Sorreh. Null.

agi102 is posting shit for content but I'm okay leaving this slot null leaning town since noob. So much noob. It hurts. agi please post better <3

Cabd is scumminess.

TSO needs rope asap.

VOTE: TSO

Let's go people! Make it happen!

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/inb4 ns says he dislikes my notes like he does in every newbie I replace in.

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Oh, and have some meta:

Scum -
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=29631

Town -
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=30079
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=83&t=30898
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=83&t=31112

All the rest are ongoing etc. etc.

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Except this town one

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=31203

yeah i think that's all

done talking now

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I just realized I'm voting with my other scumread and a null read. But my other scumread is being voted by...my other scumread. -twitch-

I'm not gonna wagon analyze right now.

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I feel like there's an experienced players club and I'm outside in the rain. D:

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@Bert - Why do you wanna sheep ffery? Why can't you get a read on Sakura?

Hey Kaze, would you please explain what is scummy about TSO? You just stated he's scum and didnt back it up.

I kinda can't remember some of my reasons for voting him yesterday. >.> It was partially PoE scum read partially pointless fluff bickering in 223 partially gut partially my townreads are voting TSO partially I like wagons.

@Sakura - I don't understand your vote on Bert in 350.

186 - Why, though?

Because.
I am thoroughly satisfied with a lynch on either one (the other is T S O, obvs) at this point and so will continue to sway between them until it becomes clear which one is today's lynch (probably T S O, probably the better option).

I don't get the tactic here.

BUT: Why didn't you address Sakura in your end-of-post readslist?

Forgot. She's eh.

Acceptable lynches today:

Cabd, Sakura, TSO

Just pick me then because I'm townreading Cabd and TSO, and im just pretty much useless here anyway (Hint: I haven't read more than half this thread in depth and I had already forgotten what happened before my V/LA)

I still think Bert's scum, and if he's town his gut is most likely wrong anyway.

I hate posts like this. HATE. Yet your post after this feels genuinely resigned so, leaning town now.

Funnily enough I literally never noticed Kaze come in.

I don't understand why I'm scum though.

The good news is, Kaze agrees on my scumteam. So she can sheep me and ride to Townland.

IM NOT A FUCKING SHE. And why do you think there's any chance I'll sheep you when I'm VOTING YOU? Are you on your own scumteam?


- Why was GM's lack of activity troubling?
- What is "trajectory"?
- There is metric fucktons more metaing in this game than I'm used to. I'm not good with metaing people. I really dislike this.

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186 - Why, though?

Because.
I am thoroughly satisfied with a lynch on either one (the other is T S O, obvs) at this point and so will continue to sway between them until it becomes clear which one is today's lynch (probably T S O, probably the better option).

I don't get the tactic here.

Reading this again I'm not sure why I drew such a blank reading this. Pretty straight forward.

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i don't know what to post
i apologize for shitposting

You can save the apologies, for starters.

You're not shitposting, per se. Don't get discouraged. Keep a clear head and read posts and find what resonates.

I like to focus on intent, personally. "What is this person's intent behind posting this?" and such.

You'll just kinda learn by doing. It'll be good stuff.

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I kinda can't remember some of my reasons for voting him yesterday. >.> It was partially PoE scum read partially pointless fluff bickering in 223 partially gut

partially my townreads are voting TSO

partially I like wagons.

Wait, this is incorrect. My brain keeps telling me it's so, but despite all of my townreads showing some level of suspicion of TSO, none of them are voting him.

Hm.

Ffery, ns, Bert, why is whomever you're voting a better vote?

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Yet your post after this feels genuinely resigned so, leaning town now.

Is resignation a towntell? Can Scum never be resigned?

Resignation isn't a towntell, no, but being genuine is. And it felt real. It was less the action more how it felt.

- I feel a bit better about GM now after that vote, actually. Scum try their hardest to be consistent and not make stupid mistakes, so forgetting who you're voting/not bothering to look back at your last vote feels town, albeit careless.

@Bert - I'm lacking passion? I'm so offended. Your mother doesn't think so. <3

But back to srs, if you feel awkward about your reads on Cabd & TSO, and you feel TSO is more likely scum, why is your vote still on Cabd?

PEDIT: Are you telling me you're putting off serious votes because fuck it?

Also when did we play together? I don't recall ever playing with you.

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Ohhh. Micro 219. You were in NOTYO then. Gotcha.

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So TL;DR no more sheeping from Bert.

This brings me back to: why are you still voting Cabd?

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This brings me back to: why are you still voting Cabd?

I'm not!!!! Did you neglect to read the last few unofficial votecounts???!?!?!?!?

Oh, missed that. Apologies. ^^

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I'm not seeing GM as scumflavor of the day.

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I explained it earlier. It was a mix of a lot of things including gut, some fluff posting he did that struck me as off, interactions with i think it was ns, etc. I THOUGHT my other town reads were voting him, but, they were not. I'm actually starting to get a little weirded out by the way the wagons are forming. Nothing but nullish and scum reads on TSO wagon; my town reads are voting elsewhere.

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lol @ trying to make notscience do stuff

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Thanks, I forgot about that.

I just realized I'm voting with my other scumread and a null read. But my other scumread is being voted by...my other scumread. -twitch-

I'm not gonna wagon analyze right now.

Have you wagon analyzed yet, or is your conclusion that you don't like the composition of the people on the TSO wagon, them being a mix of scum/null reads?

I see. See, this helps me relate to your thought process (or at least try to).

It is. It's probably the main reason I have doubts. The wagons are questionable at best.

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@ns - So...nothing new, then? No recent developments on your reads? You're not stubbornly riding your vote now, are you?

What's your conclusion about GM, Ffery?

^This

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I feel less awkward now that I know I'm not the only male to frequently use <3's.

Anyhow, I re-read 1398 for some insight on TSO. He is a lot more vitriolic in that game than this one. Kinda solidifies my read. Yet the WAGON STILL BOTHERS ME fuck

I really like Ffery's case against GM but I'm not ready to accept scum GM yet. idk. Feels wrong.

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ns tunneling is town-ns but ns himself said in the last newbie game we shared that he was in the process of changing his meta so I am trying not to take too much stock in such things.

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Psychobabble time! I really hate it when people excessively add "I see" and "hmm" to the end of posts. It's like you're trying too hard to seem like you're really thinking on it. Trying to make sure town knows your gears are turning, cause scum doesn't need to scumhunt too hard, amirite? Bert, you're giving me weird feels.

PEDIT: Newbie 1398.

PEDIT2: Yeah that one

PEDIT3: wait, YOURE RIGHT. He did say that! And yet he's trying to meta-change. So that makes NO SENSE!

@ns - address this. now.

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HOLY FUCK 4x post review my god

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So you're being selective. How convenient.

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"hey guize im changing ALL MY SHIT get meta'd at"

"except that. that means nothing"

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It's what I call the "intimidation factor." Why is Cabd resorting to this, and is it alignment-indicative or a tell in any way, shape, or form? Surely, this looks like it's supposed to arouse fear in the other and persuade someone to back down from attacking him?

Why not talk it out, or at least be more reachable for everyone

Tell me what you think, please?

Looks awkward, yes. Belligerent. Not sure if alignment-indicative, though.

notscience, please. let's try to be useful.

as of now, all you've done is tunnel my scumread and try to take credit for it. which is great, but makes you pretty useless all the same.

lol. Do you always throw out insults when you feel like people are on to you?

@Bert - Why do you continue to call me a she? ._.

Unvote

This wagon. I don't like it anymore. Bad feels.

My next choice would be Cabd, but TSO and ns are on it and I don't know what to make of that. I haven't liked ns lately. Perhaps I'm overthinking it. Perhaps not.

Meh. Vote floats.

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Bert, you're pretty much my only solid townread. Why do you think ns is town?

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Sure I'm caught up

I don't have special thoughts about anyone

I'd use my vote if I did

Please try harder.

I'd like more minds working against scum please.

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I don't think he's scum exactly. I just don't really find him town this game and the thing about "you should be able to tell im town/im trying to change my meta" really made me wonder.

Fact of the matter is, I'm not sure if I'm comfortable lynching Cabd if ns is leading the charge. But you might be, and I'm reading you as town. This is all rather confusing. I may be leaning a bit too much on town reads this game, but I feel overwhelmed with all the meta-ing and the fact that you all know eachother so well.

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- I'm really not comfortable putting down a vote quite yet. I'd have left it on TSO if he weren't on L-1. Newbie games tend to have derphammers.

- I really don't know.

- TSO. Though I'd be comfortable with either, I'm not familiar with Cabd or his play. All I know of him is that he's a meta player. I've at least played with TSO and feel like his play here is inconsistent with his town play I remember.

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Why are you reading me as town?

Ohey I missed a question.

Because you feel genuine. Your entrance sheeping ns felt like the towniest thing this whole game. I can see where you're coming from most of the time and I understand your reasonings. You're transparent and just kinda an easy read.

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VOTE: TSO

I'm tired of agonizing over this wagon. And I didn't realize how close we are to deadline. >.> TSO is scum. He needs to hang. Wagon analysis be damned. #yolo

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Kazekimaru

Literally, he jumped back on the wagon with no reasoning whatsoever.

He's literally laughing and spitting in our faces by doing that.

Kay.

No. I am saying notsci v. Cabd was Town v. Town. I was saying that you and Sakura are the Scum, but if by some anti-miracle one of you flips Town then Cabd could be Scum, meaning notsci v. Cabd was NOT Town v. Town after all.

Try reading comprehension, please.

Dislike. "Ohey this is/could be town v. scum." This is usually a free pass to push one to lynch and say "Oh, well obviously it's the other one" when they flip town. This gives me bad feels.


@TSO's big quotey post:
- Idk why town-Cabd would be belligerent. I don't know his play. I don't know if this is normal.
- It's an insult because I percieved it as one? Don't worry; I don't get offended when scum insults me.
The rest: Kay. I've no interest in arguing with scum, only lynching it.

x GM is knocked down to leaning scum.
x ns is leaning town again as of 571.

Guize I'm ready to end this day.

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EXCEPT BEFORE TODAY ENDS I wanna hear something awesome from Cabd. Like, anything. Gimme your final reads for the day, some scrutiny of some aspect of the wagon, anything. Anything but "fuck I hate jury duty guize i'll be awesome later"

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Aka shit is a coming, mortals.

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Is Cabd bitterly sarcastic and slightly pompous regardless of alignment? Confirm/deny please.

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So much meta talk about games I've never heard of.

I refuse to do homework. Supplemental reading was not something I signed up for.

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Would reading them help one make better scumhunting decisions, in your opinion?

I know some people hold the idea that "if you didn't play with them, it isn't meta" but idk where I stand on that.

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I shall skim.

For some reason the back-and-forth between you two and the likeminded-ness of the both of you(Cabd and ffery) makes me feel like you're a united front. Either both scum or both town. But this may be because you know each other well/hydra together/etc. So I'm probably just thinking too hard about it. Probs null.

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Still gives me the weird feels.

Like we're kids and momma Ffery and poppa Cabd are having their own side-conversations.

Of course this isn't alignment-indicative.

But still.

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Have fun with that.

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I'm just trying to gather something from this back-and-forth and I cannot and it frustrates me a bit. But, go about it.

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What the fuck did I just read?

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Bert...you just flailed like a motherfucker.

I have never seen such reaction before.

I don't know what to make of that.

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WHAT THE FUCK ARE YOU DOING BERT

YOU HAVE TWO VOTES ON YOU

WHY ARE YOU CLAIMING

WHY ARE YOU VOTING GM

WHAT IS THIS THING YOURE DOING

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Either you pretend this didn't happen, or actually MAKE SOMETHING of it and be decisive. "I don't know what to make of that" is super hedgy/indecisive and I DON'T LIKE THAT ABOUT IT

If you think it's fake, then you know where your vote goes. But please this indecision thing from you, that's the only thing that was plaguing me and making you a gut scumread.

COMMITTING to a wagon. THAT's what I want. OK goodbye. <3

And I'm sorry I'm freaking out but seriously, it's a blessing in disguise that I have to go for the rest of the day.

Indecision my fucking ass. I'm on TSO.

YOU though. YOU just OMGUS'd Cabd then voted TSO and proceeded to vote GM in the course of a few posts. What the actual fuck?

I can't see the scum motivation behind imploding like you are, but seriously. I don't understand.

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What the fuck did I just read?

Town flail. You just read town flail.

Did I, now?

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self-meta is generally bad. It's a step away from trust-tells usually.

lalalalala

I want TSO's blood on my dance floor.

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Yay I made it home in time to see the lynch.

Let's see some bitches SWING

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Cabd why do you use alcohol as an excuse to post abrasively/derply all the time?

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And why are we moving votes so close to deadline? ._.

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I don't find Cabd's latest posts disingenuous - I don't want his lynch.

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Please be kind to each other. Attacking play and attacking people on a personal level are two different things.

++ it doesn't even affect the gamestate so double shut the fuck up

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I...

Don't know.

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I feel like this NK analysis is getting us nowhere, though. wifom, wifom, wifom.

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But only one player in this game remaining is a newbie. The kill is such WIFOM that it could be interpreted to frame agi102 is what I'm saying.

You're going balls deep now.

That's a real stretch.

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v.v

ceaseless meta

self-scummetaing

wifom discussions

im losing interest

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1) talk to us about the game

2) tell us what your thoughts are after the TSO flip.

A. You haven't told us what you think of your new reads after the TSO flip.

B. What has changed? Drown out our sounds with your brilliant words, will ye?

1. What about it?

2. There's likely at least one scum on his wagon. Not sure whom yet.

A. What new reads?

B. That's kinda apart of A. Isn't it?


@Cabd: Have your thoughts changed on Ffery in the last couple posts? You went from "this is a framejob" to "this is a kill we would have made as morph" so, yeah.

@Bert: Why are you appealing to Cabd and Ffery in particular?

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Also

@Bert:
- What is the scum motivation behind me complaining about you people and your love of meta?
- What is the scum motivation behind waffling on votes? Also, do you recall why? Was my worry unfounded back then to you?

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Bah. Whatever.

I'm complaining because I'm FUCKING FRUSTRATED and I can't get a damn foothold in this game as of late, it seems.

You people can't seem to go five fucking seconds before going on a fucking tangent about some game or another and lolololol metametameta fuck me sideways. I feel like you're all in some little clubhouse talking amongst yourselves and I'm just like "cool, what am I supposed to gather from this?"

I can't contribute effectively like this.

I'm sorry for being rude, but, yeah. ._.

I feel like I'm in over my head here.

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@Sakura - Do agree or disagree with the following statement: "Transparency is pro-town."

@Bert - Why do you keep calling me a she? ._. Also, if you yourself have naught but a gut scum read on me, why are you pressing Sakura for having a null on me?

Why is Ffery super town to everyone?

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Describe "fish" to me as you're using it, please.

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How is null =/= don't know?

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YEAH YEAH YEAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!

His parents give him love and affection.........

keep him strong moving in the right direction
Living just enough..

JUST enough... for the CITAYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY <3333333333

You're a weird dude, Bert.


Anyway


I don't wish to rule out Agi for scum. Even though I feel as if he's been playing rather townish, he IS coasting. That's an indisputable fact. And scum come in pairs, so it's possible he's just getting carried.

Hell, if he is scum, that's his best option. He literally has no ties to anyone if they flip scum. He can just ride to LyLo, throw down a vote and oops, he's scum and wins.

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Describe "fish" to me as you're using it, please.

Never mind context clues are tech

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Ask questions?

Here's a good question for you: Are you scum?

No seriously though, i honestly don't know right now. I will try to make a conclusion on someone I think is scum, if I think ANYONE AT ALL is scum. I might tunnel.

That's...comforting...?

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I request replacement.

Sorry, guys. Sorry, Mala. Real life is a bitch.

Cheers.

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Good job, everyone :3 Awesome game. Shame I couldn't stick around.

It's cool with me if it's cool with Wisdom, btw.