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Just got time for a first quick read-through.
Initial discussion about L-1 on page 1 and anything related to it didn't seem very interesting to me.
Mhork's post 30 I disliked, mainly because of the part where he says the odds are that funkybike is probably town but it's definitely worth pushing. I don't see how that works, first of all letting him know you actually think he's town let's him know your push on him is not something you truly believe in and thus should not concern him. Secondly it shows you're following an argument through voting you don't follow through reasoning. Why do such a thing?
Not sure I got time for a full-blown catch-up post, but I'm already quite certain Maemuki is scum. All of her posts are fluff and show tactical detachment from content.
elleheathen knows a lot about Les Miserables. I don't know a thing so most of her initial posts read like mumbojumbo to me. I do get strong townvibes from the rest of her ISO, especially her latest three posts.
I'll have to get into shos-case later, butI don't like this bit in post 90:
"If i am lynchedbefore or after I claim, lynch my voters."
That distinction is not only irrelevant for his intended result ("lynch his voters"), it's also nonsense. It implies that he's got a strong role on the one hand, by implying the claim in itself will be pivotal enough to warrant such a distinction, yet on the other hand implies a weak role since some people could still be moved to vote him and lynch him despite his claim. It doesn't seem to add up.
More later, but sadly not today."What truffles are to pigs so are these charlatans and pettifoggers to my mental acuity." - Frasier- Grimgroove
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It's already the second time you refer to a previously finished game we were in together and I just got here. My stance with regards to you in this game has got nothing to do with that game, and I'm not sure I like you trying to make it seem like it is.In post 100, shos wrote:GG 'loves me' because I 'loved him' in a game we just finished
In fact, I'm sure I don't like it.
But as Kazekirimaru correctly noted, I need more reads on other people before proceeding."What truffles are to pigs so are these charlatans and pettifoggers to my mental acuity." - Frasier- Grimgroove
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I am glad to say I am fully caught up. I think I'll do this person per person. If I forgot you, it means you haven't done shit in this game, but I doubt I will have forgotten anyone.
Pretty sure elleheathen is town. During my read-through I took notes on people, and when coming across elleheathen's remarks the resemblance between what she was saying and what I had jotted down was eerily similar. This tells me she's town. I'm one of these people who believes that a train of thought always begins from a certain mindset, and that mindsets are greatly influenced by alignment. When I see someone showing the exact same train of thought as I do, I can't help but assume they have the same mindset as well. Funnily enough, she got some similar vibe when reading my first post. Maybe we're twins seperated at birth, who knows, but she's town in my book. Posts 87, 88 and 117 all had big overlaps with my line of thinking. I could start pointing them out, but maybe they'll become clear hereunder, though I'll try not to repeat too much what has been said already.
My second biggest townread is Lord Mhork, who shows solid logic, puts pressure on the people and shows sincerity in his arguments when hunting for scum. His reads in post 74 shows a good voerview how and why he reads people, and it's looking very solid indeed. When I came into this game I had problems with his 30 but I need to reassess that. I cans ee where he's coming from now. The difference between then and now is that I have looked at the entire L-1-debate and everything surrounding it more closely, and it looks very pressureworthy indeed. I'm filing Mhork calling funky probtown under "tricks to make scum feel at ease" of some sort.
The only thing that does bother me about Mhork, but only a tiny bit, is the fact he does seem pretty self-conscious and very very wary of people calling him scum, even when they didn't. This happened twice (in 35 addressing funky and in 103 addressing shos), where he's asking if they called him scum. It's the kind of overdefensiveness I generally don't like, but given everything else has been good I'm going to le tit slide and call it a character trait.
More in next post, just wanted to get this out already. Somehow feels less tedious to seperate it into several posts.
But that's two reads down at least."What truffles are to pigs so are these charlatans and pettifoggers to my mental acuity." - Frasier- Grimgroove
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I can already see right now bv310 is going to be a tough nut to crack if it needs cracking. I don't know if he does, but I find him quite hard to read, due to minimalistic interventions. But despite the minimalism, I do have to say logic shines through the little he says. Now, I try to be careful with calling the use of logic a towntell, just as much I try to avoid considering not being good at logic a scumtell. But if one is confident in displaying logic it does give off the vibe that this person is also confident that logic will get him through this game. I'm not sure if scum is in a position to think this way. They need flaws in their reasoning, evidently helped by unwitting towns helping them pave the way, to get mislynches. If someone consequently uses logic with no discernable gaps I makes me townread them.
Thus I had a townread on bv103 for a while. 47 and 52 showed logic, and I agreed with 68 on shos' 62 being anti-town, though for other reasons than he mentioned (more later in post on shos).
BUT bv103 ruined everything in his post 102 which felt terribly artificial, which got me to rethink the things he said. There was very little about post 100 that was towny, or at least nothing that warranted such an "OH MY GOD I'm SHOCKED AT HOW TOWNY YOU SUDDENLY LOOK"-reaction.
Looking back at his earlier posts, his 47 and 52 are basically him calling the "use of bad logic" = scum. It's an alluring argument and not always made by scum, but people do tend to get illogical sometimes. Scum can make use of that, and somehow I don't feel now that the simple use of bad logic warrants such a strong reaction that bv103 displayed here.
There's been a sudden shift in his narrative that I don't feel explained. This shift is obviously 102[/post, but also 98 which already feels like a preparation for the unvote of shos. Suddenly shos has become an information lynch and mos tof it have been attitude tells.
I want more from bv103 for sure today. To get things started:
@bv310: What are your thoughts on Maemuki?"What truffles are to pigs so are these charlatans and pettifoggers to my mental acuity." - Frasier- Grimgroove
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In post 49, Maemuki wrote:My collection of Les Miseràbles cast albums is potencially embarrasing. Seriously, I'm missing very few of them.
Also, shos, it benefits scum in a way (less townies) but it also leaves them at a disadvantage (because every other townie is now suspicious of them). So there's that.In post 57, Maemuki wrote:So, Mhork, won't you even give us a teeny tiny bit of your reasoning?In post 59, Maemuki wrote:Your vote, maybe?In post 61, Maemuki wrote:Yet you only voted after funky did. I don't think that makes much sense, but w/e. (b'-')bIn post 79, Maemuki wrote:
Mhork, I think your vote on Shos was very strange - it felt like sheeping while not completely understanding why. At least funky had the decency to quote what he thought was scummy. I said that already, but you conviniently didn't catch that.In post 74, Lord Mhork wrote:For what it's worth, I'm null/town on Malakittens for that early funky attack, nullish/sorta town on elle for general feel, but I don't trust that, and null/townish on Kazekirasomethingorother but that's a really weak guttish thing based on his whole 'Morton's Fork' discussion and general attacks on funky. I'm actually feeling null/scum on Maemuki because fluffity fluff fluff and the fact that she didn't attack my following funky onto shos and scum on funky (obviously).
[Totally gonna go off topic and answer bv: 25th Anniversary Les Mis can go die in a hole. 1988 Symphonic Recording is where it's at. Phillip Quast = GREATEST JAVERT EVER. I did enjoy the 25th Anniversary Phantom, though, as much as I can enjoy Phantom of the Opera.]
I really want to lean town on bv but I just can't due to lack of evidence and all that. Please post more so I can think you're town, bv! And of course I'm solid null on Grimgroove and I think he should be prodded with a big heavy stick. Maybe a truncheon.
Malakitty, I'm interested in this back and forth you were talking about in 27 with funky as soon as your V/LA ends.
ElleI'm sorry I didn't understand the wine reference until just now when it clickeddo you have scum games I can look at? I haven't seen you as scum yet. Also can you do that thing where you're really, really protown? I've seen you do it a lot and it's awesome. Who are your scum reads?
Kazikiramira: Whatcha thinking, pal? You look fairly townie thus far.
Funky,why are you scum?if you aren't scum, who is?
Maemuki, you're fluffing really hard. Granted you only have 6 posts, but most of them don't really contribute anything? Why didn't you pursue the following funky thing? What are your thoughts?
BV: Other than the shos WIFOM thing, is there any reason you suspect him? What do you think of funky?In post 99, Maemuki wrote:
You only voted after funky did. Which is the definition of sheeping. Are you following?In post 80, Lord Mhork wrote:You mean when you said this? Where did you say it felt like sheeping? The part where you pointed out I voted after funky did? That just looks like a random observation.
And are you saying I didn't point out why I thought shos looked scummy?
Also, yes."What truffles are to pigs so are these charlatans and pettifoggers to my mental acuity." - Frasier- Grimgroove
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Sorry, I meant to add comments to that full ISO of Maemuki. But in a way this is good, because the ISO speaks for itself: Maemuki hasn't really done much in this game.
12 and 16 are fluffy, even for RVS-standards.
Post 49 is telling in how it prioritizes fluff about Les Miserables over clarifying some game theory mechanic, which in itself is also quite fluffy considering it doesn't come with any kind of stance in the debate.
57 asks for reasoning from Mhork, but if you actually read the flow of the thread and are truly with your head in the game, that question is entirely useless. Mhork's reasons for voting are entirely obvious at that point, even though he did not explicitly add them. Feels like Maemuki is trying to get some scumhunting-cred by giving flak to the "argumentless vote", which is always quite popular among players of any alignment. But in this case it backfired, because Mhork's vote was not arumentless. This makes the rest of Maemuki's posts, which are all about this so-called sheeping, moot and unhelpful in the scumhunt. 61 ignored the fact shos made matters worse for himself inbetween Mhork's initial comments on him and his vote. Post 79, here the usage of the word "conveniently" shows overdefensiveness.
Nope, not liking this person."What truffles are to pigs so are these charlatans and pettifoggers to my mental acuity." - Frasier- Grimgroove
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Haven't got much notes about Malakittens. Her post 27 seemed fair enough at the time, which I feel started off the game and got people out of RVS, though one could as well give credit to funky himself for that. It feels sincere, but it's also an argument that scum could make, so mostly null. The only other thing I have about MAlakittens is 83, where she (rightfully) finds it odd that funky had a townread on her after that. The mere statement "just wanted to see a reaction" sounds like her weasling her way out of the engagement to investigate funky more in depth, but I feel that's more due to laziness or due to time constraints than due to alignment. It's a pity she doesn't go deeper into it all, but I guess we'll have to blame that on the V/LA business. Would like to see more of her. Townreading her for now.
Kazekirimaru (if I got this name right off the top of my head I deserve a lollipop), not so sure. His 54 showed good logic and good reasoning about something that should have been obvious even without that explanation: "mentioning that your vote is L-1" is a nulltell. This is in a reaction to shos calling it a towntell. Kazekirimaru doesn't couple a vote to this, yet funky does (and Mhork in a way, as well). What should be noted here is that Kaze (fuck it, calling you Kaze from now on) doesn't react to these votes in any way, until 75. There something funny happened. Somehow the argument that "mentioning your vote is L-1" is suddenly an argument in favor of shos. That doesn't add up. Kaze suddenly changed his narrative here (always strange when that happens) and changed the Morton fork into this: "calling someone's mentioning of their vote being L-1 town is null". This was not the argument he made originally. Why now?
I also didn't like Kaze's 108. Even though I got comments now, I don't think he's shown the kind of activity that warrants him into expecting someone like me who just came in to have a read on him. Somehow felt like him calling me out. Confident scum? Perhaps, but I'm starting to feel I've got too many scumreads."What truffles are to pigs so are these charlatans and pettifoggers to my mental acuity." - Frasier- Grimgroove
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The funny thing about both funky and shos is that they seem to excell in one thing: point at each other. The thing they fail to do is stand up for themselves. Maybe it's them being the two competing wagons for now, but it doesn't make it easier. One thing I feel confident in saying: they're not scum together. I deeply believe that, regardless of how scum they may be in their own right.
funky's behavior at the start of the game was very strange. It seemed extremely nervous. There was a whole lot of backpedalling going on, and like elleheathen already stated in a response to his rethorical question from 28: it IS weird. Also in his case there's some flawin his reasoning as well: while he first claims to be wary of derphammers, in 33 this suddenly turns into a fear of derphammering (I guess he means quickhammering) scum. Some small inconsistency there that I don't like. After this debacle I have the feeling funky slipped away from everyone's attention, mostly thanks to shos.
Him using Kaze's logic to vote shos, while Kaze himself sees it as a reason not to vote shos, is something I'd like to see comments on by both parties involved."What truffles are to pigs so are these charlatans and pettifoggers to my mental acuity." - Frasier- Grimgroove
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Nope, he didn't.In post 138, shos wrote:pedit: he's answered the question already iirc"What truffles are to pigs so are these charlatans and pettifoggers to my mental acuity." - Frasier- Grimgroove
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I'll have to comment on BV's latest post later, hopefully tomorrow, but in first instance I'd like to hear from him what it was about 100 that was so towny. I don't see it."What truffles are to pigs so are these charlatans and pettifoggers to my mental acuity." - Frasier- Grimgroove
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What I forgot to add here is the rest of 28, where he townreads Malakittens because of a reaction that is null (something shos will be called out for later as well for another action). It feels contrived; he puts Mhork at L-1 to get reactions, gets 1 reaction from Mala, reads her as town, and considers the reaction test a success. Feels rushed. This is where I got the vibe of funky being very very nervous about something.In post 139, Grimgroove wrote:The funny thing about both funky and shos is that they seem to excell in one thing: point at each other. The thing they fail to do is stand up for themselves. Maybe it's them being the two competing wagons for now, but it doesn't make it easier. One thing I feel confident in saying: they're not scum together. I deeply believe that, regardless of how scum they may be in their own right.
funky's behavior at the start of the game was very strange. It seemed extremely nervous. There was a whole lot of backpedalling going on, and like elleheathen already stated in a response to his rethorical question from 28: it IS weird. Also in his case there's some flawin his reasoning as well: while he first claims to be wary of derphammers, in 33 this suddenly turns into a fear of derphammering (I guess he means quickhammering) scum. Some small inconsistency there that I don't like. After this debacle I have the feeling funky slipped away from everyone's attention, mostly thanks to shos.
Him using Kaze's logic to vote shos, while Kaze himself sees it as a reason not to vote shos, is something I'd like to see comments on by both parties involved.
So many people to keep an eye on in this game."What truffles are to pigs so are these charlatans and pettifoggers to my mental acuity." - Frasier- Grimgroove
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LAst one for today: notes on shos.
With shos, it's not really the big picture or a general vibe I get from him, but an accumulation of little things that get me to scumread him.
It all begins with his townread on funky's L-1, which he needs to explain. His explanation is very bad logically speaking: he calls it towny because funky stated the vote was an L-1. This is normally a nullread. However, at this point I didn't think he was scummy for it. Like I said, bad logic is used all the time.
But in 48 he's playing stupid, like elleheathen also pointed out. He's equating "not mentioning a vote is L-1 is scummy" (which is a reasonable line of thinking) to "mentioning a vote is L-1 is towny", ino rder to somehow defend his flawed logic. It doesn't feel right.
62 is very scummy. I never like the "if I were scum, I wouldn't have drawn attention to myself"-argument. It's not because you got the attention on you, that you willingly drew it onto you. Trying to make it sound that way comes extremely close to plain lying.
65 is also bad. After basically everyone has been calling the pointing out of a vote being L-1 is null, here he asks the silly question of why people consider it scummy. NOBODY DOES! Shos is playing stupid here again and I don't like it.
67 is anachronic and feels like an opportunistic vote on the counter wagon.
84 sounds like a question that he cameup with even before this game started and is null in my eyes. Could be an awkward way to get himself out of a pickle.
100 I don't like the "I don't understand"-part, where he's playing stupid yet again. I explained it perfectly well I think. His explanation afterwards, while I don't feel it's convincing, clearly shows he DOES understand what I mean. He's trying to play innocent through seeming unknowing.
My notes tell me I should quote post 90 for some reason. Don't remember why ut I'll do that before battery is dead."What truffles are to pigs so are these charlatans and pettifoggers to my mental acuity." - Frasier- Grimgroove
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A yes, aside from this, which I already mentioned:
there's also this:If i am lynched before or after I claim, lynch my voters.
which is an oversimplification of the strong case that currently is being put against him.In post 90, shos wrote:Do you understand that me calling someone Town now leads to my lynch?
Out now. Want to see people's reaction to what I said before I put down a vote. Right now I still feel more like an observer than an active participant."What truffles are to pigs so are these charlatans and pettifoggers to my mental acuity." - Frasier- Grimgroove
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After my long and intensive catch-up it just didn't seem my head was in the right place of it. I had a lots of impressions on a lot of different people, making deciding on priorities difficult.In post 188, Malakittens wrote:
DANCE WITH ME. DANCE WITH ME.In post 162, Grimgroove wrote:Responses to my catch-up were underwhelming so far.
VOTE: Maemuki
Please reply in more detail.
WHY DIDN'T YOU VOTE EARLIER.
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I actually explained in post 144. Felt more of an observer, so wanted to await personal interactions with people, in essence: reactions to my catch-up. In my view, Maemuki's was the worst."What truffles are to pigs so are these charlatans and pettifoggers to my mental acuity." - Frasier- Grimgroove
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In post 187, Malakittens wrote:He doesn't have a read on me either.
I do. You probably missed it while ignoring my catch-up walls."What truffles are to pigs so are these charlatans and pettifoggers to my mental acuity." - Frasier- Grimgroove
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In post 175, mastin2 wrote:And, no. I can't define Mae as being town beyond gut because it's gut.
Could you give examples of what sparked that gut, at least? You don't have to explain why, but it is helpful to show us what did.
I for one think free townreads based on gut are fishy. It's not a way to run to the defense of someone you honestly think you're town, but it can be a great way to get towncred if the lynch, against all odds, would be wrong after all. I've seen scum do it before, using the advantage of knowing what's what. It's a way of saying "I didn't want him lynched" afterwards, without actively stopping the lynch while it's happening.
In fact, I've seen you do this before as scum.
I do agree with you on elleheathen (town) and bv (probscum).
shos I'm working it out, I don't feel like going into a wall-war with him right now but his reaction to my notes on him is sub-perfect."What truffles are to pigs so are these charlatans and pettifoggers to my mental acuity." - Frasier- Grimgroove
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Please keep your guy out of this. Who knows where it's been...In post 177, mastin2 wrote:I trust my guy more than I trust the reads of other people right now."What truffles are to pigs so are these charlatans and pettifoggers to my mental acuity." - Frasier- Grimgroove
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You don't find it at all odd Maemuki has only 1 argument against 1 person to show for her entire game?
On top of that, I disagree with the argument. It overemphasizes the importance of a vote, and undervalues the inclination Mhork had sown beforehand, as well as other contributing factors such as shos having flailed over the course of time that went on between Mhork's initial comments and Mhork's vote."What truffles are to pigs so are these charlatans and pettifoggers to my mental acuity." - Frasier- Grimgroove
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Because you'll be most probably be lynched if you do.In post 221, funkybike1 wrote:Mae, give me one good reason to not just hammer you and get it over with.
I guess this is an intent to hammer? Not too sure if it isn't too early for that. Would like to hear more from people like BV (!!), MAlakittens and of course, Maemuki herself before it gets to that.
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No need to rush things. But the pressure is definitely still on, Maemuki, so don't get too comfortable and please respond."What truffles are to pigs so are these charlatans and pettifoggers to my mental acuity." - Frasier- Grimgroove
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I'm assuming this is some reference to a Les Miserables character? I don't know enough about it to find out which, but don't think a flavor claim would convince me either way.In post 227, Maemuki wrote:I'm jumping on to a Paris sewer.
Like Mhork said: we need more activity from you. Seriously. I wasn't here for the good first half of this game due to V/LA and I'm already more into this game than you are."What truffles are to pigs so are these charlatans and pettifoggers to my mental acuity." - Frasier- Grimgroove
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²In post 235, Lord Mhork wrote:Most games can't be broken by a flavor claim and I don't think this one would be any different."What truffles are to pigs so are these charlatans and pettifoggers to my mental acuity." - Frasier- Grimgroove
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How does that work?In post 247, Malakittens wrote:But maybe the wagon says Funky, idk /:"What truffles are to pigs so are these charlatans and pettifoggers to my mental acuity." - Frasier- Grimgroove
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You do realize that before this post, the same can be said about you right? You had only 1 arument against 1 person to show for your game.In post 250, Maemuki wrote:Do you literally have no other reads other than myself? It's awfully easy attacking someone who you can assume that won't answer, especially if you've checked their activity elsewhere. Out of your 20 most recent posts, 14 are about me. There is literally nothing else in them other than 'prove she's town', 'where is she', etc, etc. I think it's more likely for scum to stay hung up on what can be seen as an easy mislynch (because a lurker is an easy lynch, no matter what, especially on this case, since you have literally nothing else to hold against me other than my inactivity).
About your readslist on others besides Mhork:
1. There are no scumreads inthere.In post 250, Maemuki wrote:
Malakittens, tbh, I don't remember any of your posts except the very last one? I've checked his ISO, and tbh, I have a bit of a null-town read on him because he does bring up some good points.
Mastin. Oh, Mastin. I don't know if you're scum buddying or not, but I really hope not, because you're pretty much the strongest town read I have. You bring up very good points so far -
Grimgroove, I like your posts. Or better yet, I like how you make your posts, but I'm not so sure of your reads
bv, I also had to go and check your posts, but I don't really have any feelings on you.
shos is...weird. Very weird. And by weird I mean he seems incredibly wishy-washy. This whole progression is extremely weird. In the span of one page, you have literally held every single postion on my lynch, from 'lol L-1' to 'nah maybe not'. Would you care to explain?
Funky, I don't like your posts much either tbh.But! As I said earlier, I think that you're still the towniest one of the pair.
Elle, I'm on the odd situation where I simultaneously think you're town and maybe Mhork's partner. I'll think about this properly later, I'm pretty tired of looking through ISOs.
2. Most of the reads are not reads, but about how certain people made good points (scum can make good points), and about how others don't.
3. I especially don't like the read on Funky, which I bolded. Sounds like bartering. and an effort to antagonize Funky against Mhork somehow. In any case I find the bolded to have a very unnatural tone to it, especially when you see that just before it MAemuki says that she doesn't like his posts. Very appeasing. Doesn't add up.
I'm moving my vote back onto Maemuki, putting her on L-2.
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You said that you thought Maemuki started posting well "in the last wxhile" (post 251).
What posts were you referring to and why did you think they were better?
I see very little I like in Maemuki's last post, so I'm wondering what you see."What truffles are to pigs so are these charlatans and pettifoggers to my mental acuity." - Frasier- Grimgroove
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And you literally said in post 257 that this difference in certainty is due to their ammount of posts. Literally.In post 268, shos wrote:I did not unvote him due to his content being fewer. I unvoted him because I strongly believe funky is scum, and I'm less sure about his slot.
So yes, you did unvote Maemuki due to this difference in numbers. This is not a misrep. You say yourself you think they're both scummy so that's not where the difference is. The difference is solely in the numbers, which are the reasons for your firmer belief in funckyscum, that being the reason for the unvote of Maemuki."What truffles are to pigs so are these charlatans and pettifoggers to my mental acuity." - Frasier- Grimgroove
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Because funky-mhork can't be scum-scum this combination of wagons is better? Lining up lynches much?In post 270, mastin2 wrote:Also, I know I said (and Mae agrees) that Mhork vs. Funky can't be scum-scum, but I'm kinda getting a gut feeling today that, somehow, despite all logic pointing to that not being right, it actually is right.Hence, another reason why having the two wagons be Funky and Mhork would be better.
What about the town-town combination? You seem to automatically assume just because they can't be scum-scum, they have to be scum-town or town-scum.
What is Maemuki selling? Her last post was terrible and I've even pointed out for you why."What truffles are to pigs so are these charlatans and pettifoggers to my mental acuity." - Frasier- Grimgroove
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The difference between the two graphs being their number of points.
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Anyway, pointless discussion (hehe).
I don't think Maemuki deserves any unvoting after that last post. I find your reasons to do so odd and your way of defending it, though containing a form of logic, not entirely natural."What truffles are to pigs so are these charlatans and pettifoggers to my mental acuity." - Frasier- Grimgroove
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I am disappointed with the lack of attention for Maemuki's last post. It's so bad it's really hard to miss.
Mastin is town, but I think he's a bit too proud to consider any options other than the ones his gut proposed to him when he arrived here. This makes him useless.
Malakittens for some reason let's Mastin pull her chords. I don't know if they have some meta-luvin going on, but if they don't, Malakittens proneness to being led by Mastin feels fishy.
Shos is still getting the hang of mafia-games. Pretty sure he's town but I don't generally find myself agreeing with his line of thinking.
Counting on elleheathen to help me in opening the rest of town's eyes, she seems to be a sensible person. Mhork might have other fish to fry disspelling Mastin's gut-feelings (good luck Mhork, you're still town in my book so hold on to that thought).
I need to do another ISO on funkytown. I guess I could move to vote him given this
hasn't changed much. Need to ISO him again I think.funky's behavior at the start of the game was very strange. It seemed extremely nervous. There was a whole lot of backpedalling going on, and like elleheathen already stated in a response to his rethorical question from 28: it IS weird. Also in his case there's some flawin his reasoning as well: while he first claims to be wary of derphammers, in 33 this suddenly turns into a fear of derphammering (I guess he means quickhammering) scum. Some small inconsistency there that I don't like. After this debacle I have the feeling funky slipped away from everyone's attention, mostly thanks to shos.
But I want the Maemuki being a scum-option acknowledged first before possibly moving to a consensus on funky. You never know if I'm not around to see the next day, and if Maemuki is still there and I'm not I want to know that she's not going to disappear under the radar.
I will not be part of a lynch of Mhork today. I'll tell you right now I'll even prefer a no-lynch over a Mhork-lynch.
And what about bv103?mod? That slot has become close to unreadable, but from what I can read it doesn't look very good.
Maemuki-bv103 is my Day 1 guess for a scumteam. You guys have to pay me a tribute with a mix of Disney-songs after the game, if I am correct."What truffles are to pigs so are these charlatans and pettifoggers to my mental acuity." - Frasier- Grimgroove
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That's what you get for "glossing over things that don't directly affect you". This post was meant as a summary, representing my key thoughts.In post 288, bv310 wrote:I have a personal hatred of one-line reasoning, specifically because it looks like good content, while still leaving us with basically nothing to work with.
If you want to know more, read the rest.
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I don't really understand your point there.
Are you saying funky was scummy for raising reservations around the townread you gave me based on my times of posting?
I think you misread him. When he said "that's easy for scum to do", he didn't say you could be scum for giving me that townread, he said I could still be scum, timing my posts in such a way in order to look town.
Don't see anything extraordinary about that, to be honest. If anything, that kind of paranoia would be more prevalent in town. Where do you see the scummy intentions?"What truffles are to pigs so are these charlatans and pettifoggers to my mental acuity." - Frasier- Grimgroove
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@bv310: Why did you ask Mhork and shos for more reasons to join the Maemuki-wagon, while at the same time completely ignoring mine?
When it comes to me not wanting a Mhork-lynch, I explained why I think he's town, and why, along with elleheathen, he's my main townread. It's right at the start of my catch-up, and nothing has changed since then when it comes to Mhork.
So, wherever you said there is no reasoning, I fear you simply have not read my reasoning (or did not remember it). I'll blame it on half an hour having been too short to actually read-up on this game in greater detail.
Why you'd pretend that to be enough to make statements like the one you made, I don't know.
And about me asking for your replacement, I didn't. I asked for the slot to become readable and for an update on your prod-status. In the first place the slot becoming readable is up to you."What truffles are to pigs so are these charlatans and pettifoggers to my mental acuity." - Frasier- Grimgroove
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Maybe. But I think the main reason why you find this so convincing is because it involves you. From a third-party perspective (referring to me being a third party in the shos-funky interactions), it's not really as telling. You're reading more town now to a lot of people compared to the beginning, so it's normal you'll be getting less scrutiny compared to the initial phase.
I still prefer a Maemuki-lynch.
But I'll shut up now for a bit, I'm starting to feel I'm taking up way too much space in this topic."What truffles are to pigs so are these charlatans and pettifoggers to my mental acuity." - Frasier- Grimgroove
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So you didn't say the opposite...In post 300, mastin2 wrote:
Uhh...what?In post 275, Grimgroove wrote:
Because funky-mhork can't be scum-scum this combination of wagons is better? Lining up lynches much?In post 270, mastin2 wrote:Also, I know I said (and Mae agrees) that Mhork vs. Funky can't be scum-scum, but I'm kinda getting a gut feeling today that, somehow, despite all logic pointing to that not being right, it actually is right.Hence, another reason why having the two wagons be Funky and Mhork would be better.
What about the town-town combination? You seem to automatically assume just because they can't be scum-scum, they have to be scum-town or town-scum.I said the opposite, that it's possible they're scum-scum.I was saying before that I didn't think it was possible.So if you want to talk to the past-me about it, I'll point out how, logically, their interactions didn't (and still don't) look like scumbuddies. I'll also talk about how they're both incredibly likely, separate from each other, to be scum, both by POE and my townreads, and by, just...well...their godawful posting.So, yes. I don't think it's town-town, nor did I ever think it was town-town.
Sorry but I'm not going to take any advice on how to be only a half-way competent scumhunter from someone who can't even read. You did not say the opposite of what I just implied. you ignore the town-town-possibility and you just acknowledged that. Don't try to make me look like an idiot, at least not for the wrong reasons. It aggravates me."What truffles are to pigs so are these charlatans and pettifoggers to my mental acuity." - Frasier- Grimgroove
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What "move"? There is no "move"...In post 301, mastin2 wrote:To put it simply--what's Mae's scum motivation in pulling this move? Drawing attention to oneself, and then brushing it off when in danger is...not exactly scum-oriented behavior.
What's Mae's town motivation in pulling this move? Simple, not really caring about things, knowing that Mae doesn't need to play at 100% here. Perhaps out of apathy/boredom, perhaps in order to play casually rather than hardcore, whatever, but it's clear Mae's not giving this game much effort. And, again. I reiterate that this is not a scum behavior.
CAN it come from scum, yes, it can. IS it coming from scum, no, I don't think so.
She didn't draw attention on herself. Other people PUT attention on her, and with her latest godawful post she lazily tried to squirm her way out of that attention field.
This is more than Mae just not participating a lot. She tried to give off the air of participation when pulling the "Mhork is sheeping"-thing, and then giving some half-assed reads on everyone in her last post. Of course it's coming from scum, there's no reason at all not to think so."What truffles are to pigs so are these charlatans and pettifoggers to my mental acuity." - Frasier- Grimgroove
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Sorry, I was in a bad temper when reading/writing that and have misunderstood. Please ignore the above or feel free to make me look like an idiot for the right reasons :pIn post 310, Grimgroove wrote:
So you didn't say the opposite...In post 300, mastin2 wrote:
Uhh...what?In post 275, Grimgroove wrote:
Because funky-mhork can't be scum-scum this combination of wagons is better? Lining up lynches much?In post 270, mastin2 wrote:Also, I know I said (and Mae agrees) that Mhork vs. Funky can't be scum-scum, but I'm kinda getting a gut feeling today that, somehow, despite all logic pointing to that not being right, it actually is right.Hence, another reason why having the two wagons be Funky and Mhork would be better.
What about the town-town combination? You seem to automatically assume just because they can't be scum-scum, they have to be scum-town or town-scum.I said the opposite, that it's possible they're scum-scum.I was saying before that I didn't think it was possible.So if you want to talk to the past-me about it, I'll point out how, logically, their interactions didn't (and still don't) look like scumbuddies. I'll also talk about how they're both incredibly likely, separate from each other, to be scum, both by POE and my townreads, and by, just...well...their godawful posting.So, yes. I don't think it's town-town, nor did I ever think it was town-town.
Sorry but I'm not going to take any advice on how to be only a half-way competent scumhunter from someone who can't even read. You did not say the opposite of what I just implied. you ignore the town-town-possibility and you just acknowledged that. Don't try to make me look like an idiot, at least not for the wrong reasons. It aggravates me.
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Now you're saying they can be scum-scum. Ok. But you say that when I would ask you for reasons that they couldn't be scum-scum, you'd be able to give them. Yet you still think it's possible. Could you give reasons for that?
Both of them being scum seperate from each other isn't enough. Your post 270 sounds like you want to have it all ways, if only to push a lynch on one of them through.
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I ISO'd funkybike (who should have called himself funkytown, which is a far better name) and I don't see a lot that's scummy about the guy. Thought I would, but I didn't. Nothing. When I arrived his behavior in the beinning rubbed me in the wrong way, but somehow that completely dissappeared after reading it again now.
Did anyone actually do this?
ISO him.
I've got thee suspects, I'm extremely confident two of them are the scum we need:
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I await your reactions eagerly.
@mastin: It's strange how we disagree so profoundly on almost every read, but I do believe you're town. The problem is most of your reads, there's no denying it, revolve around gut. Really, there isn't. I'm looking forward to your Maemuki is town-case, and I sense there might be something valid in you never having seen scum play like Maemuki does now. But that doesn't dispell my worries and I can't let that primate (is that a verb?) over my own observations."What truffles are to pigs so are these charlatans and pettifoggers to my mental acuity." - Frasier- Grimgroove
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I saw you play as town? Really? When was that? Seriously don't remember.In post 324, Malakittens wrote:Tech this is a lie. You have seen me play as both alignments. One as scum and one as town."What truffles are to pigs so are these charlatans and pettifoggers to my mental acuity." - Frasier- Grimgroove
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Haven't read your entire case yet, but with the above I disagree 100%. In my experience town shows a lot more indignation over being lynched, because they know some people are mistaking by voting them. When you're telling the truth and nobody believes you, it's far more frustrating than when lying and nobody believing you.In post 336, mastin2 wrote:Then there's the fact that Mae's perfectly fine with being lynched. As scum, I don't care what kind of player you are, under pressure, you're going to be freaking out somehow, and it'll bleed into your posts eventually. Be it raging, be it desperation, or something more subtle, signs of panic will form. But as town, the opposite is true. And Mae's displaying this. That calm, relaxed, casual "no biggie" deal to being lynched."What truffles are to pigs so are these charlatans and pettifoggers to my mental acuity." - Frasier- Grimgroove
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I've read mastin's case and am unmoved by it. Most of it revolves around Maemuki being "relaxed", and I don't see any reason why that would be more of a town-trait than a scummy one.
He even calls her lack of scumhunting a sign of her being at ease and relaxed. While I'm very glad for her she's apparently treating this game as some kind of spa, where she can chill-out with some mud on her face, I don't see at all why this makes her town.
I do see reasons why she's scum:
- she only pursued the "Mhork is sheeping"-argument, an argument that was flawed to begin with
- she pursued it for a long time, despite its flaws
- the reads she gave on people are mostly null, and not even reads
- her vote on Lord Mhork is based on 1 argument + omgus, as far as I can see
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Oh yeah. Sorry about that. I kind of try to forget about that game, if we can call it a game. Felt more like a play staged by HD
I remember having a strong townread on you there (or at least on the hydra).
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Sorry, that was me posting from a hydra.In post 389, The Grim Reaper wrote:UNVOTE:
Agreed with 375. The benefits of having a twin.
Mhork stating he's had funky as a solid scumread took me a bit by surprise. I completely missed that sentiment before, and it felt at odds with how you behaved earlier. Need to double-check.
As I said before, I don't see funkybike-scum.
My current guess (though it seems I lost my chance for a Disney-song-tribute): Malakittens - bv310
I think when it comes to the latter, we'll also have to wait for a replacement.
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First, I do want to get my thoughts out on funkybike. Just ISO'd again, and I'm conflicted. Last time I didn't see him as scum, and now that I did it again, I do. I think most of it has to do with my refreshed view on the Ghostlin-slot, where I felt funky's support for it was town.
Like I said, the beginning of his game sounded quite bad really. His post 18, his second post in the game, already contains an inconsistency about his stance on D1 wagons. Inconsistencies are always bad, but not always telling.
Post 20 offers an explanation. Him having fallen victim to a derphammer should lead him to dislike D1 wagons, which is at odds with what he said in 18, making that a second inconsistency. The fact that this is a rolemadness game is also irrelevant, as this refers to the possibility of a scum-quickhammer rather than a derphammer. Fear for a scum-quickhammer is usually unfounded, especially on page 1/2 of a game, so it can't exactly be called valid either.¨Post 23 and 24 is funkytown finally taking a stance on the matter, but it doesn't hide all the inconsistencies he exposed in this regard.
28 and 31 are funky backpedaling.
shos barges in and townreads funky for mentioning it's an L-1. An attention-shift ensues, funkybike takes advantage of it and slips away under the radar, up to the moment where he votes shos.
Post 33 is the complete opposite of what he was saying in the second part of 20, as he now completely discards the fear of quickhammering scum.
His reaction in 148 to my catch-up did ring good to me, I remember. It was the reason I backed-off in hte first place. But looking back at it now, I must bow my head in shame and feel stupid: it was a crock of smelly shit, but covered with delicious whipped-appeasement.
216 is him leaving a wagon that has lost all traction. A town-reaction would be to recompile a case on shos, summarize it, and try to persuade others.
He states lack of desire to L-1 Maemuki, but only five posts later asks himself why he shouldn't just hammer Maemuki. This is at odds with 353, where I think 353 is just shows funky is learning as he's doing after my reactionto 216.
My views on Maemuki have been clouding my judgement on funkybike and I apologize.
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