Marketplace Mafia III - Game Over

[Espeonage]

Hey guys, let me recap and I'll probably make a post detailing my thoughts this evening.

I would appreciate a couple of recaps for me to get some perspective from. I will skim the thread though.

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Reading this thread is death.

To put my forebearers stuff into the light. I have no idea what either of them were doing and they both looked like they wanted to be heros and got mad that they couldn't.
I've started my reading on day three and have about 15 pages left of todays stuff to get through. So far, I'm unhappy about the eggs in the basket idea, but I like the random aspect of it. I feel that investigations of any kind are incredibly important for us as town if we are presenting a pool of people for scum to shoot and it's pretty given in a game as large as this that at least one scum is going to be seen as pretty damn town, so I'd be looking to keep the top townreads fluid-ish and making sure that any major money sending is offset by a transfer back between a member of the top towns to another. (Like if three people happen to send the same person money and thy had quite a bit to send.)

The biggest issue with trying to break the game is that there WILL always be the factor that both scum teams have the drop on town. Knowing more leaves alot in the open. Letting tracker slip is a HUGE loss, which should probably be punished as subversion of information roles is entirely scum at this point.

More later.

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Tammy has her own criticisms to the plan. She thinks that even weak town reads should not be throwing their money at the Big Six. Rather we should force scum reads to feel money to the Big Six. She says this mitigates the damage more of scum being in the town bloc. She also thinks there should be a designation of who goes for what.

Also she would like to repeat for pie's sake that she feels the 'let's verify Mhork' thing was super fake. Also she thinks pie is a moron for seriously thinking that confirmed town would try to gambit to get me town cred.

Baldeagle, she wants you to repost how much you sent her.

@Upside (?):

Powerful fighting between hydras with huge walls.

This is a good post.

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As of page 100,

Vote: KingdomAces

That said, MuffinzMan needs rope too.

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Oh btw, Nero is town.

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Ok, why was my slot not smashed to bits?

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Also, with three days left. I think we need to decide if any of the banked money we have from the wage freeze is going places or if we're sitting on it.

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The hell is amished?

Vote: ZMuffinMan

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So just looked it up. I was asking that question for a purpose.

The fact that my slot never got slammed means something weird is going on consdering almost all the lynches have been pushed, as a starting reason, for being lurkish and inactive.
Day 1 that happens, day 2 a scum got hit, and day three, the slot doing the worst lurking got pretty much nothing. That leads me to believe, given that I'm town, that alot of bussing happened on the Dr. Pepper wagon otherwise stuff starts to not make sense.

If nero is town, which I think he is, that means even more likely that scum was on Dr. pepper unless my skim of the early parts of today was incorrect.

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Unless of course there was some sort of gut, this one and not that one vibe going around the town.

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what's amish

It's when you replace in and go, wow my slot was scummy.

I didn't mean what I said in that way, more in a, "this goes against the game's town actions for the rest of the game, what do."

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On that note, I might have to go an have a proper skim of day 2.

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Jacob put 5 each on cop, tracker, wage freeze and watcher.

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I'm also entirely happy with a muffin quicklynch after everything's set for tonight.

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Jacob put 5 each on cop, tracker, wage freeze and watcher.

Nothing on doctor?

Yeah, sorry. I didn't copy paste from the PM I got, missed it.

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I'd CTRL+X'd my post on suspects, but accidentally overwrote it in my clipboard, so this first:

So just looked it up. I was asking that question for a purpose.

The fact that my slot never got slammed means something weird is going on consdering almost all the lynches have been pushed, as a starting reason, for being lurkish and inactive.
Day 1 that happens, day 2 a scum got hit, and day three, the slot doing the worst lurking got pretty much nothing. That leads me to believe, given that I'm town, that alot of bussing happened on the Dr. Pepper wagon otherwise stuff starts to not make sense.

If nero is town, which I think he is, that means even more likely that scum was on Dr. pepper unless my skim of the early parts of today was incorrect.

Not that it really matters, but your slot WAS wagoned on D2. In fact, people even suggested

quicklynching

Klick (before he pulled the shameless self-vote + fake-replace-out/fake-replace-in/real-replace-out routine). Did you remember that but decide it didn't count? Also, why do you seem so focused on your predecessors and the reactions they got? Why not ask why we didn't wagon Zdenek, Banakai, or guille?

I haven't actually read day 2 yet. I did iso Magua to see the wagons and yeah I saw it. I assumed it was based on the self vote, so I figured it wasn't for the lurking, not being there stuff, which truth be told I was basing on Jacob's 3(?) posts in day 3 before I came in.

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Unvote, Vote: Seanald

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Also:

Magua, Nero has two separate counts.

And I am happy to go with either Seanald, Muffin or Kingdom. I'll hammer a Voided if we need it at deadline and nothing else presents itself. I won't support anything else.

Vote count fixed.

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So just looked it up. I was asking that question for a purpose.

The fact that my slot never got slammed means something weird is going on consdering almost all the lynches have been pushed, as a starting reason, for being lurkish and inactive.
Day 1 that happens, day 2 a scum got hit, and day three, the slot doing the worst lurking got pretty much nothing. That leads me to believe, given that I'm town, that alot of bussing happened on the Dr. Pepper wagon otherwise stuff starts to not make sense.

If nero is town, which I think he is, that means even more likely that scum was on Dr. pepper unless my skim of the early parts of today was incorrect.

Are you saying you think your slot was never properly wagoned because both scumteams think you're on the other?

Maybe, or one or two of the first 3 people on Dr. pepper are buds looking for a high town points lynch on a not quite useful scum partner.

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Then again, LB has pointed out that my conclusions are based on inaccurate reading.

That said. Garuda is scum as well.

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@Muffin: I have read the mod posts of day 1, skimmed the voting and end of day 2 and read the whole of day 3.
@Voided: Because they are to the first two. And Garuda was the first vote on pretty much every lurking slot in the game so far.

[Espeonage]

Do it now then. Get it going. Just ensure you have time to come back before lynch if it doesn't work.

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Countdown to deadline:

(expired on 2013-11-12 15:00:00)

He is now equal leading wagon. Don't be silly and avoid it.

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That's not funny, that's playing against your wincon.

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I've had a total of three irl days in this game. When the hell else could I lynch you?

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Peoples, we needs da peoples.

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Anyone coming in to the thread.

There are about 10 hours to deadline as if this post or something close to that. Seanald is at L-2.

He has already lied about the money he has left over.

Please vote and hammer him before deadline. Feel free to reread the past few pages AFTER voting.

Thank you.

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I personally would much rather pie in there than Garuda.

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Doesn't it say it's easier to win for them? I'm guessing they get an extra percentage on their bid. And 100% of what they bid, back. Iunno.

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Shhh, don't tell anyone, but I'm actually not liking morph at the moment.

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There's such a thing as keeping the REASONING for a scumread a secret, sometimes. You don't want to telegraph what about their play is setting off your alarm bells until you've got enough juicy posts to find relational tells.

But this is mostly just me messing with you out of insomnia and boredom.

1. This line of questioning is going nowhere and drawing me back to the thread in the hope someone else is here.
2. That was my favorite way to question back when I was a below average player. (Some would argue I'm still a below average player.) And tbh, it's not really that great. It's better to put everything out there, more scumminess will usually come up if you actually force them to play differently to cover something they were previously doing.

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I just live in Australia.

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We do have a deadline though.

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He might have forgotten the numbers were different as scum.

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I'm not. tbh, I started thinking he was town shortly after morph started going nuts.

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I dunno, Morph posted an amended plan. I personally don't like it though.

Then again, I have a twingy feeling every single one of my strong reads is wrong.

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Do we claim our stuffs?

[Espeonage]

1 Self Watch
2 Federal Reserve Chairman
2 Neighbourizer
10 to LB
50 to Morph

In the event of Deadline hitting, Happy to vote with pretty much any wagon. Preferences being Muffin, Kingdom, Garuda.

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1 Self Watch
2 Federal Reserve Chairman
2 Neighbourizer
10 to LB
50 to Morph

In the event of Deadline hitting, Happy to vote with pretty much any wagon. Preferences being Muffin, Kingdom, Garuda.

So you transferred all your money last night as per morph's plan?

No

[Espeonage]

Vote: Muffin

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@Esp: yeah but I wanna do something that isn't just instawagoning Voided. that said, why zmuffin over Voided?

@LB: I had thoughts like that about the money, but I couldn't overlook how he differentiated between the normal and red auctions. I was convinced there's no way in hell town could say smth like that because town gets no additional information on the red auctions besides "the mafia have an advantage"

I was pretty vocal about muffin yesterday. I feel that he is buddies with Dr.P. I can't remember what I said exactly, but I was never for the voided wagon over others.

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@Voided: Mainly that he was hounding a wagon that was in full swing already, it was as if he wanted the lynch to be closed out asap before it got derailed. And asking deliberately hard to answer question which used against an established wagon is like trying to stuff someone still alive in a casket before people realise you're doing it.

Not to mention he wasn't int he best of positions on wagons so far this game.

@Upside: Because it was too late then. I didn't know if people were going to be back and the timing meant that lynch was at like 8-9am my time, a time at which I would be fast asleep and in no position to change my vote.

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I dunno, when the verbal diarrhea started.

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No, n/a, n/a, $10 on FRC, $5 on bulletproof, $100 to one of pie and garuda, and I reconfirm I transferred to Pere N2

ugh wtf
I went to go verify you nominated FRC back when everyone was posting their top abilities to advertise (since afaik I was the only one who wanted FRC) and I just realized you never even claimed the top 5 abilities you'd want to advertise. can you explain why not plz?

uwop I don't give a shit how bad my vote is get the hell off me and make a good vote. or are you attacking me because you're zmuffin's buddy

This last line is so filled with :goodposting:, like so much.

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EBWOP: Nero, can I borrow that chainsaw gif. We're going to need it.

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I misread what you were asking.

2995 is about where morph got scummy, which is what I was answering, however that wasn't the question as I have now realised.

As for your actual question, 3006?

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@Voided, inregards to what?

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@Muffin
No that was you asking questions with no possible town answer to Nero just as he his wagon hit tipping point.

And are you really going to be that dismissive at this point in the game? People haven't been the most liberal with town reads on you. That usually points to issues in your play. And wagon analysis has always been a part of scumhunting. Tbh, I'm finding you 'defenses' to be ever worse than the rest of your play. So what if an attack is weak, if it's a constant that would point to a bit more of a scum playing as scum than a town being consistently mistaken.

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Also, I believe a revote on night activity would be a good idea. Only three of the peeps are still alive, AND deadline is floating above our heads. We can discuss a lynch as well, but it does us no good to sit around with no direction for the night when we could be slapped with three irl days of play to sort out everything.

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Page 100 would be a start.

Define semi-legitimate, because as it stands our definitions appear to be very different.

And we'll see how the day goes.

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2498, 2509 are a start. I might go fetch more when I'm not on my way to bed.

2498 is entirely setup for lynching without opportunity for response. Your first point is entirely reasonable on nero's part. Second point goes for many slots, yet you only mention on the target convenient for you. Third point in entirely unreasonable on your part. Not everyone has the scum PM that lets them know exactly who the scum are. Town have to work it out over the course of multiple days.

2509 puts Garuda in a lose/lose response situation where his only option is to go, yes, to which you can just parrot of your previous claims on self preservation.

Shutting down all options for response is a terrible easy way to cause mislynches at best and is a venomous scum tactic at worst (or vice versa if I'm right in assuming you have a scum PM).

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Ok, I just realised something. Like actually got out of bed, because it was nagging at me.

Why are you even continuing this conversation? If everything I'm saying is as flimsy as your saying, why do you care? What town motivation is there for you to entertain a line of inquiry that is as terrible as you're making it out to be. You are so ready to discredit those that call you scum and shut down any lines or investigation into alleged scumminess, and yet can't produce the kinds of read lists that you seemed to expect of your suspects yesterday.

The scum motivation for this attitude to the gamestate is immense, and there is no way I can see town put this much effort into ensuring that town thinks they're town.

And to think I hate not being able to get to sleep.

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I don't want to lynch voided. Pure gut.

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Because it was claimed. @muffin

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btw

@Espeonage,

a little late, but why did you send money to morph if you started thinking they were scummy at the end of yesterday?

because that was what the dice rolled.

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Also why I only sent part of my money.

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Unvote, Vote: UD

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you think that's bad? people don't even realise zmuffinm is silent

my name is an

I... really don't want to decide.

are you aware of the deadline?

-.- Really, going to flop in with that?

Ugh, if you are town and I'm wrong, I am going to be so mad.

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He was the only person with votes on him that I legitimately have any sort of non town read. Kingdom has turned around for me today. I'll move my vote when deadline hits if it's needed.

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@Pie, pretty damn obviously was scum using it.

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That is clutching at straws so bad.

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no it's not

tell me what motivation I would possibly have for grasping at straws. it's a gambit that, even though it probably wouldn't work, at least has a chance to get something. see: what LB did with you (?). what's the difference between what I did and that? 0.0

He thought I'd slipped.

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EBWOP: It, dunno which head it was.

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As for the nom two for sending money to. Nero is top townread not on the list already, and ... Mhork?

For scummy read not on there, fair obvs that I'd be nomming UD and muffin.

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Sorry missed that.

KA is looking much more town today so yeah I'd put him in my town pool.
Voided doesn't seem like scum at all from what I've looked and seems quite interested in helping the town despite being on the cards every day.
Nero is so town it isn't funny. His response to the lynch attempt yesterday is either masterful scum or focused town. I think the latter.
Prohawk is null.
BBmolla as far as I can tell is under fire for a night choice, which seems pretty inconclusive reasoning to me so I don't really agree with the suspicion on him.
UD has been pinging me since late yesterday and todays play.

I'll admit that I'm not the most switched on with the game yet. The short day today definitely didn't help. I am keeping up with the happenings of the thread, the problem is that there is almost no room for mobilization of lynches that aren't already under suspicion, which is a problem. I'm hoping that given a longer day tomorrow and probably two deaths will make people rethink their reads and we can get some new wagons going and have a smart and well discussed lynch tomorrow.

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All of them?

Because they have...

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Not meant to be at this juncture, Mr.Muffins.

Going to bed soon as well and given I won't be up again before deadline.

Unvote, Vote: KA

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As opposed to when we don't have a short day.

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I got the lynch I wanted yesterday. I don't feel I've complained.

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Probs, most likely.

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My top reads atm, upon reflection: UD, molla, Garuda (Same reasoning as previously), Muffin, ProHawk or Eagle. (Those are in order btw.)

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Hey guys, feeling like death atm, and VLA on weekend coz hosting 36 hour Who party.

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Vote: UD

NO

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LA, Just checking this while I wait for my ride.

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Just popping my head in, Nero, when did I switch my read on you?

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Hey guys, I have been reading, I'll post somthing more substantial later today, I do have to duck out for a few hours, but I'll be back after that.

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I’m against a mass claim unless I get a pretty good reason why we should mass claim. It just seems like fishing to me. LB also needs to explain what they did with the info they already had. D1 or D2 they were asking for claims and said they’d explain later so they can either explain or link me to where they already explained.

Relevant.

I think we should massclaim because we're a day away from LYLO, traditional scumhunting is failing us, and everyone knows where the power roles are concentrated, anyway. And I think in a set-up this complex, at least one person is guaranteed to mess up their claim somewhere. My

only

best skill as a scumhunter is catching people in role contradictions and scumslips. And that's leaving aside roles like Market Analyst or Coroner that could do all sorts of delicious things with the results.

Oddly, though, I think I

like

Nero's refusal to massclaim. This probably makes me a terrible person.

On that note, Voided, Nero, Espeonage, and ProHawk, who did you send money last night? And ProHawk, who did you send money on N3?

I sent no money and bid all of my money on an ability I did not receive because I figured either a town with alot of money would make a bid and scum wouldn't spend too much (but enough to make a sizable bid essential) and so I went that route to ensure scum didn't pick it up.

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Also, I mentioned this yesterday or the day before, but Garuda always seemed to be pushing or at least early on all of the wagons against the chronic lurkers, which seems to indicate a sense of wanting to get town early so they can coast later. Which is why I'm not going to be against joining a wagon on them at some point. I would like to have a think on what wagon I want to join though. I feel like last night's actions should probably be outed. LB does raise a good point that we need info.

Unvote

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I also think that at this point in the game that people making bad decisions should be held accountable. This is a serious mechanic that forms the crux of this game, and I don't think that enough is getting out. Mainly because all the people making actions are getting killed at night before they can reveal any sort of results. Which actually raises an interesting point. I think I might go back and look for clues and breadcrumbs to results. I feel that morph would have from what I know of those two and possibly others. We're just losing alot of information by the way we've organised this pool of people that are not only read as town, but also the ones doing everything that scum can pick and choose which to kill before they can reveal.

And that, I feel is where scum are nailing us, in the night game.

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@Pie: I'm interested that you seem so intent on my lynch for a read that started today. As I recall from when I read your posts, you did have other options you were willing to follow. Have those disappeared?

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"We need to start lynching scum and we're starting with you" seemed pretty adamant.

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One is more recent than the other.

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Well if someone seems intent on lynching someone then later seems intent on lynching someone else, that would, to most people, infer that they want to lynch the more recent person.

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What even?

Was I incorrect that you are unlikely to move off me?

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Right...

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'Right', as was used in my post, should be pronounced with a very long stress on the second letter.

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Truth be told I haven't even read the reasoning for your vote yet. I only commented on the single post because I was around and saw it.

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1. ok
2. You pushed seanald as hard as I did, and I didn't want to vote KA that day because I liked his posted, I only voted because we were running out of time and I had to go to bed.
3. ok

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I have been ever so slowly. But I'm doing it bit by bit.

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V/LA until Sunday night. Got the National Quidditch Tournament.

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Unvote

Ok so I'm back from my V/LA. I have been reading along. Retaining all that info is another thing entirely. Fair sure I caught someone asking where I sent money last night and I'm pretty sure I already said I didn't. I really just want a flip right now. I want to get some reasons to vote someone but every time I try and pick something out and consolidate it in my mind I just get a list of 3 or so other people that have done the same shit. So bottom line is, I've thrown all my reads out the door until I get something else to vote on be it flip or shit that doesn't add up. So for now my vote is now there to be claimed by the highest bidder (ahahahaha, pun not literal before people start yelling at me).

I am happy to get behind pretty much any lynch right now. I have a total of two townreads. Myself and Mina, jury is still out on Faraday.

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Oh and I'm iffy on joining Nero. I thought he was town before the investigation claim, and I'm going to trust that Nero didn't have the moneys to get the immunity.

So consider me voting BB because it's bigger until someone can convince me otherwise.

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Because this way saves me changing my vote every few hours.

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And yeah, the time for plans is past.

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So, how do we avoid scum getting night kill?

We play like any other fucking game. Or send moneys to your fave person without proclaiming it to the world.

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Vote: BBmolla

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^Don't forget, Upside Down goes tomorrow.

Man, I'd be happy to see him go today.

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Unvote

Ok so I'm back from my V/LA. I have been reading along. Retaining all that info is another thing entirely. Fair sure I caught someone asking where I sent money last night and I'm pretty sure I already said I didn't. I really just want a flip right now. I want to get some reasons to vote someone but every time I try and pick something out and consolidate it in my mind I just get a list of 3 or so other people that have done the same shit. So bottom line is, I've thrown all my reads out the door until I get something else to vote on be it flip or shit that doesn't add up. So for now my vote is now there to be claimed by the highest bidder (ahahahaha, pun not literal before people start yelling at me).

I am happy to get behind pretty much any lynch right now. I have a total of two townreads. Myself and Mina, jury is still out on Faraday.

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I explained why not Nero @Garuda.

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Can we decide on a lynch other than Nero?

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All this Nero pushing looks to me like scum got first Cop auction, confirmed him as town and went wahey, someone we can actually safely lynch.

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Not going to lynch Nero.

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Why am I still a universal scum read? Like seriously.

[Espeonage]

BBROllaWagon?

[Espeonage]

Reading the OP, you can't use Governor on yourself.

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Him.

Unvote, Vote: Garuda

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I actually have been developing a theory that LB is scum, Nero is town and scum governed him to secure his lynch.

Then again I can't even remember why i townread him.

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Unvote, Vote: ProHawk

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Vote, Harakiri

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Also, you didn't answer my other question.

Which was?

Vote, Harakiri

Bring it!

I was just looking at the wagons and all of them other than you are starting to feel town to me via recent posting. You haven't gotten any better, which is why i moved.

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Unvote, Vote: Bald

Mislynching is a bad idea for today.

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I'm second guessing them all?

Molla looks pretty hella scum from where I am, if only because he could be seeming like legit he hasn't had to lie about actions because he's not being held accountable.
Something still irks me about you, but I've got no motivation to actually lynch you, and tbh it's unfounded atm.
UD started as a gut read a while ago in relation to you, but has become independently scummy. No posts in particular but the tone doesn't sit right, Quilford's rubbing me the wrong way.
I'm incredibly cautious of LB atm, I've realised that Occam's Razor has alot to say about night actions if LB flips scum. And conversely, is the most likely culprit if Nero is being framed which I'm believing atm.
Voided never got over the line with lynch attempts which makes me feel that they are still on the cards because scum probably smelt an easy mislynch and laid off later because they probably cleared them as other scum. Which makes sense, or scum couldn't get town to co-operate and didn't want to throw too many people at a lynch. So this is a read that I feel will become much clearer with more flips.

That a good start for you?

[Espeonage]

Btw, uber town cred for anyone that is willing to help me limp back into this game. After I spearheaded Sean, I haven't felt very 'in' to this game.

[Espeonage]

No I feel if he is town scum played it to 100% secure his lynch, get the mislynch today and win tomorrow.

Then again all conjecture and I can't even remember where the read come from and I certainly didn't buy Governor. I doubt anyone town would govern Nero anyway.

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Yep

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Hey, I see that I'm the lynch for the day.

I'll be home an hour before deadline to post money and reads stuff so you can look at it on Day 6.

Interesting stance given we're on the same votes.

Anyways, going to bed now, got work tomorrow, I won't be able to post before deadline so see you all tomorrow or not.

[Espeonage]

We got rolled.

I feel bad because I never got a voice and just when I was actually getting some conviction, albeit 50/50, it was too late for me. Still I liked the game because despite getting rolled I enjoyed the challenge.

That said, LB should have been the automatic lynch in Lylo as a deserpation shot for town because something was obviously up and I would have tunnelled that lynch to the ends of the earth if bald had gotten lynched.

Scum played pretty baller though. So Kudos.

[Espeonage]

Don't quote wall, ever. Treat them as separate posts and it makes it much easier on the eyes. People start to lose interest at the second quote. And rarely will go past the third.

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To put in a bit of a personal view. I will generally, if I have alot to talk about, do it one bit at a time. Quote something, then post. Quote something else, then post. It makes more posts. But breaks up the thought process and makes it easier to follow. If you can get away with it, just put post numbers. Or if it is recent just respond by saying who you are talking to beforehand. (I generally go "@user: words")

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I am much more happy to read three pages of short posts than half a page of walls.

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It's better than it not being read at all. I stopped reading any of Voided's posts after my initial read.