Marketplace Mafia III - Game Over

[Ghostly Penguin]

We're sifting through shit, and I forgot MM was the place for mechanics a-hoy. I'm usually not this late to the party. Most of you know me as the guy who's name you'll generally be fucking screaming later. I'm Ghostlin, and I will post in color. I expect PA to nicely introduce herself.

I'm not so nice. I'll have a wall soon about which of you, frankly, suck and deserve to eat rope.

[Ghostly Penguin]

Things that stick out, pre page 15: The LB wagon sucks. Really, voting on the $80 comment feels wrong.

Prohawks #175 is bullshit. I've read some bullshit in my time, but no one cares about hypocrisy in quote tags. It's not alignment indictive, and Prohawk's scum for trying to push it.

Mhork #261: if you stop having a pissing contest and worked on being fucking protown, it's really easy not to get mislynched in this game.

For all of the discussion on Page 12, and a few other places where it's discussed Bald=scum, why is no one voting Bald scum?

Molla is either being scum or stupid from his posts. While I'm not fuzzy about LB yet, tehy're right with the muitiquote. Also, no one gives a shit about muitiball day one. Except if you're scum.

Alright. #347's explanation of that gambit sells me on LB Town.

If anyone can fuck up a hydra, Ghostlin can fuck up a hydra.

[Ghostly Penguin]

Molla is either being scum or stupid from his posts. While I'm not fuzzy about LB yet, tehy're right with the muitiquote. Also, no one gives a shit about muitiball day one. Except if you're scum.

What exactly would make me stupid or scum in particular

Because I can probably attribute it off to being stupid but I need to know what you're referring to

Your entire ISO up to that point is full of cute shit. It's like you cast two RVS votes, and then decided to play a game where you'd most the most fucking insipid fluff ever.

This is a Marketplace game. At the very fucking least, you could talk about mechanics and what Town's theoretical best move would be. You seemed uninterested in doing that, and hence you're a scumread for me.

[Ghostly Penguin]

Through Page 20:

#399 Pyro: I don't see the use of this argument. Generally, unless a slot is known for gambitting and admitting they gambit as scum, it's generally a fucking Town thing to do. Also, the sins you just accused LB of...half the fucking game is guilty of.

You're town too, that's why I'm saying it's not a good use of your time.

#417 upside: You're not fucking trying, are you?

Page 17: Pyro and LB, I want the time you've wasted making me read that page back.

#425 LB: "Moreover, THIS IS A COMPLETE FUCKING DISTRACTION THAT DOESN'T HELP FIND SCUM." DING DING DING. Meanwhile, scum has managed to find ways to powerlurk through it. This has given me a very light read of Morph.

#428 Garuda: I'd rather you be mastubatory with your reads list. I want to watch your thought processes. Consider me the ceiling cat of your brain.

#440 Upside: I would like to thank you, and Seanald from saving me time and claiming scum. Or at least P-lynchable.

#448-449 BE: BE is Town and will not be lynched. Thank you for your patronage. Seriously, tho', that's someone who's actually trying to pay attention to this game where there's been a lot of lurking (and some Town dickwaving, but that happens every game)

#452: It probably didn't help this fucking Town, but who ever activated Deadline was interested in seeing some shit actually happen this game.

#457 VM: I don't know what the fucking make of this. It's mostly MM Mafia theory and shows no trajectory (in this case, Ghostlin's using it to declare suspicion towards a person) anywhere. I've just waded through twenty pages of shit and I have some opinions. Where the fuck are yours?

#459, Klick: Yeah, what you have to know is you have to read the fucking thread.

$467, 469 Molla: God, I really do think you're scum.

Ghostlin only reads through Page 20:

Town: LB, Pyro, BE (who went from he's light scum to I can't picture him being scum...thank you Day 1's), Garuda (light), Morph (light)

Scum: Prohawk, Molla, VM (light, mostly on discussing theory, rather than scum hunting), Mhork (really light, everyone's on his ass, and it's the first major wagon of the day, which in Ghostlin's experience is rarely correct. I'll see if it's a 'sticky' wagon), Klick, Seanald, Upside (all of which are suspected for being fucking useless; also it's really kinda of funny that Seanald said 'I'll see you day 2' and then Deadline got activated.)

PA told me via hydra thread she'll be here to share her thoughts, read and treat you to someone who won't insult you.

[Ghostly Penguin]

penguin_alien checking in.

We followed the plan even though I thought it was less-than-awesome. Whatever.

I see no reason to share how much was sent to whom; why give Mafia ideas on who to eliminate...

--PA

[Ghostly Penguin]

So, up to Page 30. There's not a lot fucking there, and I had a few quotes, but none of them told me anything new.

My only take-away is what was the use of covering what was advertised Night 0 if none of the players who didn't advertise anything weren't pushed?

[Ghostly Penguin]

Ghostlin: the goal was actually to check if the claims corresponded with the abilities that showed up.

OH!

Did anyone advertise $5 or less on an ability that showed up on N2?

Let me ask the question a different way: since not advertising at all hurts Town's wincon but not Scum's, why aren't we metaing anyone immediately that claims to advertise nothing, particularly the first Night (Night 0)?

The reason why I say shit like that, is Town needs certain abilities to remain in the game (Cop, Tracker, Watcher, Doc), while scum doesn't necessarily need Investigation Immune or Hitman if certain abilities vanish.

[Ghostly Penguin]

Ghostlin: the goal was actually to check if the claims corresponded with the abilities that showed up.

OH!

Did anyone advertise $5 or less on an ability that showed up on N2?

We advertised according to the 'plan' post, which means we placed $5 on the abilities instructed.

Again, we didn't like the plan, we thought it was fucking stupid (PA's much nicer than I about this shit) and I wasn't a fan of who we gave our remainder to (which we aren't revealing, you can go ahead and lynch us), but we did it.

[Ghostly Penguin]

On the plan. Here are my (personal) reasons I don't like it. I know PA has some of her own, but these are my damn feelings:

1) I didn't replace in to

not

play the game's mechanics. The plan, in essence, essentially forces that. "But Ghostlin," you may cry, "there's scum hunting to be done besides that, and Town might not win auctions if you don't pass your name to the townie town towns." Yeah, if I wanted to replace into a mountainous,

I would of replaced into a fucking mountainous.

This reason's personal, and has nothing to do with mechanics or planning. (To be honest, mandatory advertising isn't so bad. That I could live with.)

2) You are essentially asking us to siphon money out of coffers that I know are Town to coffers I do not know are Town. In other words, you are forcing me to give money to people I don't necessarily have faith in to take $100 and change to purchase stuff for my greater good. What's worse, you're making me do it randomly. By Town Wisdom of the Crowds. To people I might not agree with. I want to win this game, so you're essentially taking my personal security and going 'Fuckity whee, who gives a shit about your Town Reads, or if this a player who's play style you agree with, Town's decided, fuck you.'

3) By claiming who routed money where, you are incentivizing scum to use that NK and kill them more. Yes, you may doctor the highest money player, but they can afford to remove second place. Moving the money from 15 smaller banks to 6 bigger banks is horribad, and you should feel bad. It turns the bigger banks into targets--and there's no guarantee they'll keep pace with scum earning power anyhow.

4) "This tactic won MM2." Yeah, and the second you said that, you're sure scum didn't think of ways to not work it? That Magua didn't implement ways not to break this game in the exact same way? This argument is stupid mostly because it involves not only scum but the mod not to be fucktarded about their setups/studying the setup and implementing changes.

5) If you're wrong on one of the six, only ONE of the six, you may have just sent scum huge amounts of money. And while probability argues somewhat normal distribution, it's still a fickle mistress

I don't have a 100% cure, but I even think just moving the remainder of money around frequently would be advantageous if you insist on the Town creating small banks and using it to bid on shit.

I forgot one:

7) It turns a game that should be scum hunting and clever seizing of goods into a clusterfuck of graphs, charts and trying to determine what numbers mean instead of what behavior does.

Who fucks up hydraposting? Ghostlin!

[Ghostly Penguin]

^Was actually Ghostlin posting on Ghostlin.^

[Ghostly Penguin]

It's a high holy day for Ghostlin. V/LA till November 2nd for this head, to be safe. Blessed Samhain!

[Ghostly Penguin]

Almost to Page 60. The thing that strikes me is how much my reads HAVEN'T changed:
Town: LB, Pyro, BE (who went from he's light scum to I can't picture him being scum...thank you Day 1's), Garuda (light), Morph (light), Harakiri (who reads so incredibly town to me), Muffin
Null: VM (not sure what to think here), PV (who always reads scummy to me, so I'm going to fucking ignore this a few days. Oh, btw, what isn't cute and gets me to flip fucking tables? Mentioning I'm ignoring this), Mhork (who is going to light town because of his argument with Upside I mention later)
Scum: Prohawk (his biggest wall was analysis instead of information), Molla), Mhork (really light, everyone's on his ass, and it's the first major wagon of the day, which in Ghostlin's experience is rarely correct. I'll see if it's a 'sticky' wagon), Klick, Seanald (all of which are suspected for being fucking useless; also it's really kinda of funny that Seanald said 'I'll see you day 2' and then Deadline got activated.), Upside (both PA and I have really bad feelings here, but I can't vocalize it. It's different than voided; I hate his argument with Mhork when Mhork requested he not shit up the thread, for example), NC (...you're playing this game, right?)

[Ghostly Penguin]

Also, I have been reading since I've replaced in, so it's been about 10 pages, so I figure I'm 7/9ths read @ this point.

[Ghostly Penguin]

*Picks up the prod*

*Drops it*.

Seriously, I'm trying to get my head back into this fucking thing. The thread has gained a life of it's own and it's strangling the shit out of me.

[Ghostly Penguin]

which stuff?

i've played with nero a few times before (a couple years back) but it has nothing to do with why i think he's scum here.

LIAR SCUM FOUND!!!

vote:Muffin

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=56&t=29987

Its rather ironic that in that game Monkeyscum got lynched for pretending to have not played with me and now Muffinscum is getting lynched for lying about not having played with me recently.

Vote: Nero Cain

Here's the reason: I don't necessarily remember my scum/town games, how I fucking played, etic. This is treated as a scum slip, which is just fucking terrible but not usually scummy, but Nero's using it for the lynchpin to attempt a lynch here. Consider, for a minute the sum total of actual scum hunting he's done this game--if his questions really were fucking serious, he could of come up with a case or something this game except: 'muffin lied because he said he wasn't in a game recently, but I found a game where he was..'

It's flimsy. And considering Nero Cain's been around a bit, one would expect he'd try a tact that, oh, I don't fucking know, did something.

Wow, I'm fucking bad at hydra.

[Ghostly Penguin]

Faramina have you decided I'm town yet

Nope.

Try harder.

*pulls pants up*

Okay.

In case it wasn't clear I meant like pulling my pants up to get down to business

If that makes any sense

idk

not sexual

You know, you could try the traditional town method of saying what's on your fucking mind regardless of the consequences versus trying to seek approval from 'obvtown'.

Because this is kinda what I'm fucking seeing here.

[Ghostly Penguin]

I don't like the timing at all of this vote. Did you ISO Nero before making this post, Ghostlin? Or read any posts of his?

Are you fucking kidding me?

Nero Cain has intermittently gone between periods of inactivity and things that look LIKE activity. He's not what we call a high content poster this game, but ignoring THAT for a minute, that post ALONE was worthy of a fucking vote.

His entire predicate on that post is based on two things: one, the fact that Muffin forgetting about a game whereupon Nero once played with him (and as PA pointed out in our hydra thread, was the kind of game you have long drinks to forget and was playing with an alt) deliberately and maliciously, and that he could use that for actual scum motivation versus any other motivation including 'gee, I forgot we even played that game'.

Nero's been around this game a bit longer than we have. You wouldn't accept that bullshit from me, so why would you, in any conceivable universe, accept it from him?

[Ghostly Penguin]

Didn't you replace in yesterday? Why didn't you say something then?

Had little enough time to read the damn thread and had better things to do re: catching up as it was. You'll also noticed we didn't vote yesterday also, and I'm pretty damn on the move about placing a vote. Why didn't I answer this question earlier, you may also be asking? The fact we're on page 101 and I'm trying to get the energy to read the damn thread in full (I've made it up to 70ish + pages after we replaced in after this post) is the other reason.

Yeah, I may be lazy and unmotivated by Ghostlin standards, but I'll just not fuck with you here: I've been pretty busy mafia wise, and the game thread is pretty damn dry.

[Ghostly Penguin]

Oh, and you should check out this game if you are going to just claim a meta tell on me. Otherwise, I would love to hear why my "disengaged" play is scum-play.

NY: Rust

I had 77 posts in a game of almost 2k posts. Heck, you can check any NY or large game. So excuse me while I call your read BS.

Do you find this as an acceptable reason NOT to lynch you? God damn, I hate people who come up with the defense of 'I always lurk', (which is this defense's twin brother) and then smartly say 'now prove it's scum-play'.

Not being in the game can be scum play because it's play generally regardless of alignment, and some times is play that regardless of alignment, gets you to the endgame.

[Ghostly Penguin]

Catching up here, but Ghostlin did inform me of his NC read. Which, NC is griping at someone for not remembering a game they played together...whe NC played with an alt? And at one point IIRC offered to replace in when he was already playing as the alt? I think this is a darn good example of hanging out in a glass house...

--PA

[Ghostly Penguin]

upside down, in answer to your question, we replaced in about 36 hours before the lynch and I hadn't gotten in here to read the thread. Ghostlin apparently started from the beginning of the thread and so didn't fully process the plan until we synced at night, if he saw it at all. He'll have to answer that.

--PA

[Ghostly Penguin]

Didn't you replace in yesterday? Why didn't you say something then?

Had little enough time to read the damn thread and had better things to do re: catching up as it was. You'll also noticed we didn't vote yesterday also, and I'm pretty damn on the move about placing a vote. Why didn't I answer this question earlier, you may also be asking? The fact we're on page 101 and I'm trying to get the energy to read the damn thread in full (I've made it up to 70ish + pages after we replaced in after this post) is the other reason.

Yeah, I may be lazy and unmotivated by Ghostlin standards, but I'll just not fuck with you here: I've been pretty busy mafia wise, and the game thread is pretty damn dry.

The plan was quoted pretty much every page after it was declared; I don't know how you missed it.

I don't cry misrep often, but this is what is fucking is.

I didn't

'miss'

the plan. I had other fucking better things to do than kvetch about a plan that was motivated at the time from a Town slot (and a slot I'm still reading as such). Whining about a plan I think is fucked up<Trying to catch up, scumhunt and give relevant reads.

Short version: I didn't whine about the plan because I had better fucking things to do. That and I wanted Penguin's opinion and I didn't get to synch with her about it until that night.

Oh, and you should check out this game if you are going to just claim a meta tell on me. Otherwise, I would love to hear why my "disengaged" play is scum-play.

NY: Rust

I had 77 posts in a game of almost 2k posts. Heck, you can check any NY or large game. So excuse me while I call your read BS.

Do you find this as an acceptable reason NOT to lynch you? God damn, I hate people who come up with the defense of 'I always lurk', (which is this defense's twin brother) and then smartly say 'now prove it's scum-play'.

Not being in the game can be scum play because it's play generally regardless of alignment, and some times is play that regardless of alignment, gets you to the endgame.

One of my neighbors says we need to lynch your ass because 19 posts in 13 days from you too points to a scum role. While I almost choked on the pot-calling-the-kettle-blackness of it all, there may be some validity here.

Thoughts?

Your neighbor is full of shit, bad and they should feel bad? The question itself is fucking loaded, but here goes:

1) It's not comparing two congruent things. I'm not walking in here and claiming that this is my play regardless of alignment, so 'nah nah nah'. I am disengaged somewhat with PA this game. That would be an excellent reason to lynch me if you were actually looking for reasons for it. I don't have a fucking defense to offer there. With Prohawk, the lurking is the defense. Not being engaged is being parlayed into "well, I always do this, why should I be lynched for it?" (That's a paraphrase, btw.)

Whenever your defense hinges on "well, I always fucking do this", that's not a Town trait. Nor is a town motivated reason. Towns often don't act for multiple reasons, boredom among them. But a lot more of the honest of them just come out and admit it. This is almost taunting you with it. "I always do this, so you don't have a reason to lynch me!" Bitch, please.

2) The argument itself is kinda asinine. You are literally using the fact that I'm making a post and a half a day as a reason for lynching me for not being active enough. And I've done the majority of them. Now, if you have substance problems, that's one thing, but that means I tend to the thread and listent to your reasons and how you think how incredibly bad I am for wanting Nero to eat rope because he's literally voting Muff on 'lol, scumslip'.

As my partner pointed out to me, Nero wasn't even Nero that game, but Smegol. And yet, he's using it as hard and fast evidence of Muffin forgetting for being scum. That's some pretty hot mafia yoga, kids. It reads like stretching to make a move, and lacks sincerity. You know, I no longer vote 'because, gut' votes. Why? Generally the person making them is fucking honest. They probably honestly dislike the person for reasons they can't vocalize. Nero's vote was more of a move to find reasons, which is not a Town tactic in motivation.

3) The final argument is that this is not the kindest of times for this little muitiheaded vehicle for the hydra that fucking could. I feel our participation and posts as a team are down all over the site. Maybe we deserve to be lynched mostly because no one punishes players that are performing poorly anymore-but I'm not just going to roll over and let that fucking happen.

Duplicate post deleted.

[Ghostly Penguin]

which stuff?

i've played with nero a few times before (a couple years back) but it has nothing to do with why i think he's scum here.

LIAR SCUM FOUND!!!

vote:Muffin

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=56&t=29987

Its rather ironic that in that game Monkeyscum got lynched for pretending to have not played with me and now Muffinscum is getting lynched for lying about not having played with me recently.

Vote: Nero Cain

Here's the reason: I don't necessarily remember my scum/town games, how I fucking played, etic. This is treated as a scum slip, which is just fucking terrible but not usually scummy, but Nero's using it for the lynchpin to attempt a lynch here. Consider, for a minute the sum total of actual scum hunting he's done this game--if his questions really were fucking serious, he could of come up with a case or something this game except: 'muffin lied because he said he wasn't in a game recently, but I found a game where he was..'

It's flimsy. And considering Nero Cain's been around a bit, one would expect he'd try a tact that, oh, I don't fucking know, did something.

He never made the argument that he forgot so why do you think he forgot?

Right. You actually can't refute the fucking argument so you cry chainsaw. I think he forgot because I don't keep track of every alignment of every game with every player I've been in, particularly if I'm trying to blot it from my memory banks.

But, please, go on trying to find lame reasons for believing what you do.

[Ghostly Penguin]

Much as I dislike NC nit-picking zMuffin for misremembering their mutual game history, the rest of his posts aren't pinging scum to me. It looks closer to his town play.

Prohawk tossing out alternatives to himself in the page 107 range came off really lousy on first read through.

Amish tell aside, I don't see the scum motivation for calling attention to your predecessor's bad play here when no one else did. Espeonage isn't trying to curry favor with people who were scum reading his slot, as they apparently didn't exist.

UNVOTE: Nero Cain

I think Ghostlin and I can find a better use for our vote. (The lack of synching up is my fault, BTW, and should be getting fixed.)

--PA

[Ghostly Penguin]

While Ghostlin is fine with a Voidedmafia lynch last I heard, I'm not sure I like the wagon composition. I'll be around to switch our vote to make a lynch go through if necessary at deadline, but I'd like to see if Seanald goes anywhere first.

VOTE: Seanald

--PA

[Ghostly Penguin]

Smeagol, Gollum, blergh. Sorry about that.

I realize that your Gollum alt wasn't secret, but I can also see where someone wouldn't remember it as clearly.

Ghostlin can comment himself if he gets back in here before deadline, but I'd say that I understand that people view his town play as easily faked by scum. For what it's worth, he's not faking, and I have yet to see him fake it, but I can't quibble with people who want us to play a better town game before accepting that read.

--PA

[Ghostly Penguin]

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Seanald

I don't like this, particularly with what BB says afterwards.

Ffery, do you agree or disagree that Nero and I need to be sorted tomorrow in some way, shape, or form? I'm just beginning to have a sinking feeling that we're all that's going to be talked about.

I'm all ears on why you'd think this would necessarily be the case. I'm not seeing a Day 4 trajectory in your direction. This concerns me a bit: it seems to indicate you know you're playing fucking poor and have no interest except by setting up a 1v1 with Nero.

Whether that's to deflect suspicion or you think Nero's so incredibly crazy go nuts scum it's pretty damn hard to determine.

Currently PA's got me on the collar re:Nero because after our pressure on him, he acted more like Town Nero to her, even though his contribution seemed more contortion than anything else. Which is fine, because BB's dropping scum tells, yo.

Was I allowed to bid on anything? Would have won doctor if I could

Abductor x 1
Auction Detective x 2
Austerity Measures x 1
Bulletproof x 2
Coroner x 2
Extra Vote x 1
Federal Reserve Chairman x 1
Governor x 1
Gravedigger x 1
Love Potion x 1
Market Analyst x 3
Medium x 3
Roleblocker x 3
Self-Watch x 1
Tailor x 3

I bid $5 on all these

Right. So...why would you advertise $5 on say...Governor, Tailor and Self-Watch (which IMHO is a horrible ability unless you manage to get someone to Medium you or catch someone you weren't expecting to use an non-lethal ability on you). This seems all over the place, and with just enough advertising on just enough Town abilites to look Town.

Vote: Molla

[Ghostly Penguin]

BBMolla I love how you bid a lot on everything but wage freeze

~Sakura Hana

If you're going to scum claim, go all fucking in?

[Ghostly Penguin]

Nothing to claim, because we fucking dropped the ball. We were going to drop $5 on:
Auction Detective
Medium
Neighborizer

but that didn't happen. .

[Ghostly Penguin]

We prefer KA right now, although both heads want to revisit BBmolla.

VOTE: KingdomAces

[Ghostly Penguin]

^sorry, that was PA

[Ghostly Penguin]

Haven't touched base with Ghostlin yet, but I think he and I can both get behind a BBmolla lynch.

VOTE: BBmolla

[Ghostly Penguin]

Haven't touched base with Ghostlin yet, but I think he and I can both get behind a BBmolla lynch.

VOTE: BBmolla

Correct or not, this is stupid. No one but you wants BB dead.

Also, yesterday.

This is the dumbest reason for not voting anyone in a mafia game ever, particularly since scum likes to drive popular sheep wagons.

Molla has continued to advertise super scummy abilities, and continued to act as if his finger's fucking slipped. I mean, the abilities dictionary is -right on the first fucking page-. Then he's posted gems like someone should die because their reads suck. What the fuck?

It's really not our fucking fault that you can't be assed to figure out Molla's scum and vote for him.

[Ghostly Penguin]

I can’t read PA. Gost has been lurking and his dropping unnecessary F bombs does seem like fake rage.

File this one under: "I'm much too lazy to hear what they're talking about so they're scummy because I can't read PA and Ghostlin has been cussing like a sailor like he's done every game. Also, Ghost's been lurking. Nero, I know you've played with me fucking before and you're able to track this hydra's activitiy, so you're either being fucking lazy or scum. Or both.

[Ghostly Penguin]

I can’t read PA. Gost has been lurking and his dropping unnecessary F bombs does seem like fake rage.

File this one under: "I'm much too lazy to hear what they're talking about so they're scummy because I can't read PA and Ghostlin has been cussing like a sailor like he's done every game. Also, Ghost's been lurking. Nero, I know you've played with me fucking before and you're able to track this hydra's activitiy, so you're either being fucking lazy or scum. Or both.

The only reason why I've not hated Nero Cain to death is PA says that his death tunnels are his town meta. Otherwise I'd want rope for both him and Molla.

[Ghostly Penguin]

town
5. pieguyn (replaces guille2015)
6. Lost Butterfly (a hydra of Faraday and Mina)
12. Harakiri (a hydra of Natirasha and Sakura Hana)
17. Lord Mhork


1. VoidedMafia
3. Nero Cain
7. Garuda (a hydra of Empire and Nachomamma8)
10. BBmolla
11. Ghostly Penguin (a hydra of Ghostlin and penguin_alien) (replaces Banakai)
13. uʍop ǝpısdn (a hydra of N and Quilford)
14. zMuffinMan
16. ProHawk
19. 1baldeagle1
21. Espeonage (replaces JacobSavage who replaced Klick)
^ 5 scum in those names. the other thing i noticed is that on D2 we were all gonna quicklynch Klick but then it got derailed onto DP. so it's possible Esp is right scum with Garuda

Who do you think are the names the comprise the scum team? This is fairly useless, even for PoE purposes. I'm wondering why you decided to post this.

[Ghostly Penguin]

Not Voting (4): VoidedMafia, Lost Butterfly, BBmolla, uʍop ǝpısdn

And here's really my biggest problem with Voided.

He's proclaiming with shitty reasoning that this hydra should change their vote because the lynch we want won't fly today, and is he trying to push one of these popular lynches through? Trying to get someone with more chance than Molla lynched?

No. He's sitting on his hands, commenting about everything but not voting on it. He has no agency in this part of the game. He's hoping it'll all die down. I'm also not liking uwop because even in my absence Penguin posted; they're a hydrae too, why aren't they posting/interacting, at least one head to give us something to interact with?

[Ghostly Penguin]

LB, if this is multiball, does potential LyLo still apply?

Having said that, given that PRs auctioned off are temporary, getting more info from mass claiming them/their results isn't a bad idea.

--PA

[Ghostly Penguin]

I have no idea where Ghostlin is; he hasn't posted in our hydra QT for five days. He usually cycles back eventually.

Seeing as the transferee was killed last night, it makes little difference to share that we sent $165 to PV on N2. We advertised some stuff too and held onto a token amount of money mostly because we could.

Yes, I've been posting elsewhere and not here because I prefer to be on the same page with a hydra partner to reduce the number of voices for people to sort through in a game of this size.

As far as BBmolla advertising and claiming to have advertised not pro-town roles, given that some abilities in play seem to let people gain access to financial records, there's something to be said for claiming it with abandon. I agree that it doesn't seem likely, but neither does it seem likely for someone to throw money away advertising lousy anti-town stuff as town.

As far as the Nero Cain innocent goes, I owe the last ten pages a closer read-through, but my first impression is that paranoia aside, doubting PR results is a waste of time, given the specificity involved for scum to have messed with it via Tailor, and even if he has investigation immunity contrary to my read on him, given that it's apparently 4-shot we're better off scum hunting elsewhere.

--PA

[Ghostly Penguin]

Nero Cain (4): Lord Mhork, Garuda, zMuffinMan, VoidedMafia
BBmolla (4): Ghostly Penguin, Harakiri, 1baldeagle1, uʍop ǝpısdn
uʍop ǝpısdn (3): ProHawk, Espeonage, BBmolla

Lynching Nero Cain at this point is still sub-optimal with a cop innocent on him, Tailor possibilities or not. I'd prefer a flashwagon to Voidedmafia over that.

uʍop ǝpısdn is the only one on the BBmolla wagon I'm not townreading at this point. I think Voidedmafia is the only one on the Nero Cain wagon who is strongly leaning scum, although I'm not sure about zMuffinMan.

uʍop ǝpısdn wagon as a counterwagon to BBmolla is less good, given that I don't recall having a town read on ProHawk and definitely don't have one on BBmolla.

What happened to the massclaiming of consumed abilities received in auctions?

--PA

[Ghostly Penguin]

I can claim mine at least if you want

Much as I personally would like this info, I'm mostly interested in what happened to the overall plan to decide on this as a strategy, if that makes sense.

Lynching Nero Cain at this point is still sub-optimal with a cop innocent on him, Tailor possibilities or not

are you proposing we leave nero alive til endgame because of the cop inno (in a game where we know scum has investigation immunity) and ignore his play? or what is your logic here?

(btw, nobody has tailor. it was not won on the first round of auctions, and still hasn't gone up for auction again, so a guilty would mean something but there is a very real possibility that any innocent results cannot be trusted because of investigation immunity)

Not endgame per se, but invalidating cop results for fear that the target was the one player who got the ability is paranoid and devaluing the town power. Paranoia is part of the game, sure, but not at the cost of screwing ourselves over. I'd rather vote/lynch a scum read who doesn't have a cop innocent on him.

Didn't realize Tailor wasn't in play, sorry.

--PA

[Ghostly Penguin]

Last but not least, Ghostly Penguin is probably

town

scum. Ghostlin is better than this, he's playing like garbage. Where's the town conviction?

(quote amended to reflect correction)

Ghostlin's been absent for going on 12 days now. I unfortunately am not better than this.

--PA

[Ghostly Penguin]

If y'all lynch NC and he flips town, I'll follow my own best judgment. That may involve sending money to someone I think is town, it may not. If NC is lynched and flips scum, I will send money to a town read.

Those advertisements sound fine.

--PA

[Ghostly Penguin]

I'll send money to a town read. I won't promise not to advertise anything, although I'll claim any advertisements. And I won't promise to send all of my money pending the results of today.

VOTE: Eagle

The people on the wagon look decent.

--PA

[Ghostly Penguin]

Can we revisit the idea of mass-claim? At least of used abilities, if not things people still have in their arsenals.

I'm not sure if I want to lynch Nero or eagle ATM.

--PA

[Ghostly Penguin]

I'm not sure if I want to lynch Nero or eagle ATM

who do you want to lynch? and is ghostlin still MIA?

Sorry, reading that back I realize it was unclear. I meant I would be on board lynching either one of them and just didn't know which at the time of the posting. I was originally weighing whether there was any scum motivation to set NC up to be lynched today, except that scum wouldn't have known where the lynch was going to swing after the NC wagon was shut down. Then I wasn't sure what the scum motivation was to keep him alive. Having thought about it, it seems likely that ensuring he lives to the night phase lets him transfer money to a scum buddy.

I think I'm good with a NC lynch today, but I want the mass claim. I don't care if we popcorn or LB makes up an order list or whatever. Just so it happens while town likely still has the numbers to lynch scum without relying on help from an opposing scum team.

And yes, you're still stuck with me; Ghostlin's been MIA for two and a half weeks now. I'd switch to my main account, but I figure it's easier to stick with one if people want to ISO our slot.

--PA

[Ghostly Penguin]

I honestly have no idea what he was saying with that. If someone could explain it to me as if I were 5, that'd be greatly appreciated

I'm not following either. Math error happened, was noted by mod, may or may not have been a math error on a townie's bid or a scum's faked bids, although that begs the question of why the mod would be involved in vetting the specifics of a scum fake claim.

If people don't want to mass claim I'm good with lynching Nero Cain. It would be nice to get an efficiency bonus for a change, and I see no reason for a townie to be governored in that situation yesterday. I'm fine waiting for LB to figure out the mod error interpretation, but not forever.

BBmolla, anything in particular you want to discuss with me?

--PA