Marketplace Mafia III - Game Over

[pieguyn]

hi o/
reading

[pieguyn]

up to page 40

[pieguyn]

assuming multiball
upside down has the best username ever
58liking baldeagle as of here. also liking pyro trying to figure out what's gonna work and what isn't based on the past games
71 zmuffin's gives me weird vibes. the way he's being like "you never answered question xxx" seems like a lame way to accuse someone while blending in
79 from LB seems genuine
115 good attack. liking baldeagle even more now
134 fluff. not alignment indicative, but I'm interested in seeing if upside down attacks her for "fluff" given he's doing the same for baldeagle
156 I don't like voided's "(unless it's not at me, but still.)", since he's actively trying to make his statement less strong by putting that in there. IMO it gives the impression he cares about how he looks
160 not liking prohawk atm. he just seems to be sitting around and saying random crap without any direction behind it.
164 did BB really just vot esomeone for swearing
189 fairly certain voided is mafia. the comment about a dayvig seems so fake, given the post he quoted wasn't even serious
246 I thought at first this was suspicious cause morph wasn't yelling at Pyro for proclaiming he was obvtown, then I went back and found out he was. logic holds up, morph is town for now
265 liking Garuda's entrance
284 false logic. LB/baldeagle could be town vs. scum or them both on the same team
up to 319, I haven't seen uwop yell at anyone else for "fluff". it seems suspicious since it's not consistent
347 seems like a weird as fuck gambit for scum to do
442 I like
hold on a second. in 147 Harakiri went "all in" on getting Neighborizer but only spent 90. uwop and zmuffin criticized LB for only putting 80 in order to win investigation immunity, but they weren't criticizing Harakiri for doing the same thing? I don't get this at all
474 how can you be sure of that
478 I'm not scum I'm not scum I'm not scum I'm not scum. and he accuses LB of confbias and comes up with some completely unrelated thing instead of refuting whatever arguments she had. not liking this at all
524 not the singled-one-thing-out argument plz
537 why isn't it "worth" a vote. if you see something I say better to ask about it
liking zmuffin more as of 564. he goes against what everyone is thinking way too much to be scum IMO.
618 I too am surprised that they're not posting @_@ normally I know Sakura posts a lot and does shit, but I've hardly seen anything from her so far
651 oh my god this <3 uwop jumped to near the top of my townlist with this. even though I disagree with some of those scumreads, I totally agree there's a good chance there's a few scum being really active just to fuck with everyone. this makes me think about Mhork/Voided/zmuffin even more. incidentally, I'm kind of surprised he didn't point out Mhork in this post. Pyro/LB just reads like yet another argument where they're so convinced each other are scum that they don't bother with anything else.
666 bidding on neighborizer seems like a BS claim. he wasn't really involved in the neighborizer discussion IIRC, so I'm calling the shit on this shit. you'd think if he had some opinion on the neighborizer he'd give it when everyone was talking about it.
667 dude no fuck this
687 "As far as me not saying what I said the first night, that's a load of crap." the first night? what
736 literally, not sure how I feel about this post. I lean scum for trying to cover up her sheeping of Nacho and offering a "reason" onto the wagon, when she was really just sheeping Nacho. it shows intent that she cares how she looks IMO
757 points out 2 people who aren't really posting and the main wagon. seems pretty hazardous for me
780 holy shit interesting point about the medium. it seems likely scum could get it and then, when an opposing scum dies, just use it on them and communicate that way, although it wouldn't be as efficient as outright neighborizing someone
785 asking what the point of a question is without even explaining why it might not have a point or answering the question. scum
794 wait, what the fuck?
858 so that you can lie about how much money there is and fuck everyone over?
884 no, it went for $103 on N0.
906 I'm still not sure on ProHawk. and this just seems like an excuse to go back to his towncred he got by not hammering. tho I'm srsly not sure on the ProHawk x Harakiri interaction ><
915 judging by all the interactions, I'd say Klick, Sakura, and possibly zmuffin are scum with ProHawk town
933 really not liking Klick's change of pace. given a lot o stuff was happening, the change of pace seems like a scumtel lfor me
949 this post seems like fencesitting. take some responsibility for your damn vote
982 "Fine, I admit I missed where garuda said they'd advertise that." implies you were trying to hide where you made an error, implying you care about how you look
1022 i'm OK with that
1065 I consider that to be a policy lynch. and again it seems like fencesitting
1101 explain plz
1119 yes
1137 scum fucking with the deadline just to troll everyone seems like a valid possibility. then they can just sit back while everyone tries to figure out all the WIFOM
1253 what is that I don't even. Nero comes off better here, Mhork doesn't make any sense here at all =.=
1297 now that PV actually did shit he's reading town for me

[pieguyn]

town: uwop, Zdenek, baldeagle
town keeping an eye on: LB, pyro
null-town: PV, Garuda, zmuffin, morph, ProHawk

scum: Voided, Harakiri, Mhork, Klick

I'm fine with lynching anyone who's scum or missing. this whole thing pissed me off so much cause there was so much outright brutal arguing between all the hydras and I read all of it as town v. town. keeping my eye on them in case some BS happens

plz don't fuck with me on this I'm tired and I have a headache and I just read 58 pages = =

vote: VoidedMafia

if I die I'm flipping a table over so hard

[pieguyn]

Just curious, but how did we end up in that pile? Purely based on Sakura?

yeah I guess

@Voided:
189. mb but it seems so fake. if it was a joke I feel the tone would be less serious. but there seemed to be a lot of killing intent, if you will, in that statement, which makes me think it's fake.

474. scum obviously started with more money than us so I don't think it's at all guaranteed we'll be able to keep stuff out of their hands atm. we can see later, but I feel it's not an assumption we can make at this time.

442. it seemed genuine. plz don't make me go all the way back and try to correlate with what LB was doing at that time I'm too tired for that shit. besides what does LB have to do with this

156. for me it gives the impression you're trying to avoid getting heat for responding to something that wasn't intended towards you

524. I'm referring to how when baldeagle asks you one question about one thing you said, you point them pointing out "just that one thing" as a major thing. that kind of logic is fallacious and I find it's an easy way for scum to put suspicion on people.

666. that's the same argument I just mentioned above

but that's what you hone in on?

I'm saying there's a real possiblity you faked that claim with all the discussion about the neighborizer.

785. asking a question is pro-town. the fact that you don't want them to do this indicates you don't wanna possibly take suspicion for your answers to the questions

982. a. no cause then someone can go and point it out and it'd make you look even worse
b. that's not "where it came from". it came from everything I pointed out in my catch up post. assuming it was all because of the first thing that happened is fallacious logic.

If Seanald ever uses this ability then he's mafia cause it'd just fuck town up the ass

Can we please quicklynch the fuck out of Klick?

I'm very ok with this

unvote vote: Klick

[pieguyn]

as much as I'd like to think that, my one completed game has taught me that people asking for replacement isn't a towntell orz

someone asked for replacement, Sakura over there replaced him, then she went and won as mafia. ask her =.=

Your next voided Lol. Everything your saying right now isn't convincing anyone

this post is scaring the shit out of me. though I can't quite explain why 0.0

[pieguyn]

why aren't you all quicklynching Klick

[pieguyn]

so what's stopping us from quicklynching Klick

[pieguyn]

she said she wanted opinions from people who have played this setup before aka people who know what they're doing. I'm not one of those people and I'm not sure what works or doesn't work in this setup so I'll leave it to the others ;w;

uwop: hey what about my comment on your username ;w;

I'd be fine with forming a townbloc and giving them all the money. IMO it'd be really effective if we could start blocking scum from getting the NK in the late game. tho we need to be really really careful who we give the money to cause if we give it to scum. haven't looked at it too much will go back and look at it again after making this post

@Voided: sry that post was from in between two of my classes so I couldn't be assed to put anything in there .-.

189. yeah that's exactly why I find what I said suspicious
442. I can't remember exact specifics on what happened somewhere in those 58 pages that I didn't write down sry
524. no I got the impression you were mad because he told you to respond to something he said about just one thing you posted instead of considering everything you posted. i'm tired so I'd love if you could explain better with quotes/links, plz
in between 524 and 785. to appear town for trying to keep neighborizer out of scum hands
785. no you questioned what the point of the question was. it didn't seem from your other posts that you were suspecting him for asking pointless questions, you just started questioning him for asking questions without explaining anything. this gives the impression you just don't want him asking you questions. it also didn't seem for me that he was asking pointless questions in the first place
982 a. it's not that you admitted it it's that the way you admitted it just seems weird.
982 b. no

Your insistence on quicklynching him. So shut it and start pining for it tomorrow.

this doesn't make any sense

[pieguyn]

fuck I can't find where someone originally suggested the plan. someone link me plz so I can reread from there ~

[pieguyn]

thanks >w<

we can't use provable randomness so I guess we roll a D6 privately?

IMO that plan might have too much money being spent on advertising. cause like half the people are going to be spending all their money each night on advertising. it might be better to have people save some of it

[pieguyn]

@morph: uwop, Zdenek, baldeagle, LB, Pyro, morph

abilities: cop, watcher, tracker, wage freeze, federal reserve chairman. wanna get moar moneyz <3

@Voided: you ignoring my question is noted

[pieguyn]

plz don't make someone else dive through hell like I had to

[pieguyn]

189. it's a joke which is why I find it weird how serious you were about it
442. no that's all there was to that it seemed genuine
524. uu i can't expain this any more don't fk with me on this plzI know what I saw and i'm too tired to explain now
785. if you wanted him to explain itself i feel you'd be less pissed off and you'd at least consider answering the questions he asked
982. a. no the way you admitted it seems like you did it to avoid heat. not sure if it was "terse" but that's what I know I saw
982. b. no 189 was not the whole reason I had a scumread on you. it came from everything I quoted about you. 189 didn't "solidify" it per se cause it's the first thing I noticed but I'd still have a scumread on you without 189. you admit this is a possibility but the first thing you think of is that it did just cause 189 came first? when such logic is provably fallacious? seems like scum BS'ing imo
after 982. no that doesn't make any sense either

[pieguyn]

I also want to say I have a good read (or as good a read as I'm going to get) on most players before redirecting the lynch.

Time is money. :/

yeah which is why I wanted to quicklynch. for me getting a lot of money seems key in this setup. and the key to getting more money than scum might be the efficiency bonus cause seems scum doesn't get that

[pieguyn]

I'm ok with this

vote: DoctorPepper

[pieguyn]

. so you were pissed off because he was attacking you when there wasn't any problem? I thought it was because you didn't like how he asked questions that were seemingly pointless.
982b. that comment was there cause that's the first thing I noticed on you and you were null up to that point

[pieguyn]

voided

[pieguyn]

vote: DoctorPepper

[pieguyn]

Vote Count 2.23

With 20 alive, it takes 11 to lynch.

DoctorPepper (9): Garuda, PeregrineV, zMuffinMan, JacobSavage,

pieguyn

, Seanald, Harakiri, 1baldeagle1, VoidedMafia
VoidedMafia (4): BBmolla, uʍop ǝpısdn, Nero Cain, ProHawk
Nero Cain (2): Lord Mhork, Lost Butterfly
Lord Mhork (1): Zdenek
morph the cat (1): Pyrotechnics

Not Voting (3): Ghostly Penguin, DoctorPepper, morph the cat

Deadline for Day 2 is Friday, November 1st, at 2:00pm EST (site time).
Countdown to deadline:

(expired on 2013-11-01 13:00:00)

Zdenek has been prodded.

[pieguyn]

liking your reaction tho. the "god damnit" and all the hydra slipping especially seems genuine \:D/

[pieguyn]

aw fuck

;w;

[pieguyn]

damn it you convinced me. first time using that one so seems fitting I'd mess it up D:

[pieguyn]

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 6#p5132486

^correct way to do it. I was kingcrabd, ffery was rift adrift. You gotta keep it up till you get reactions, no matter how much heat you draw.

<3

[pieguyn]

If you vote nero i won't kidnap your cat! I mean, I won't anyway, but that's irrelevant.

Hey morph what do I do if my name is on the list again?

Just so you know I've already taught my

caught

to stay away from strangers with candy!

are you're worried about getting caught

[pieguyn]

I have a feeling if he's scum he'll wait on purpose to make us lose money

that reasoning is just speculation tho and should not in itself be grounds for a hammer

[pieguyn]

I have to go to class now I'll be back in a few hours brb

[pieguyn]

A QUESTION TO EVERYONE

Who do you think bussed DP?

If you don't think anyone bussed him, then why not?

For me, I think it was Voided.

I think I'll do some VCA on him later. But as far as I know, Voided has been on every wagon that lead to a lynch.

I definitely think there was bussing involved. given it's a large game, scum lynches this early in the game most likely will involve bussing. tho keep in mind there's only 2 other people on his team (or mb 3)

DoctorPepper (11): Garuda, PeregrineV, zMuffinMan, JacobSavage, pieguyn, Seanald, Harakiri, 1baldeagle1, VoidedMafia, morph the cat, uʍop ǝpısdn

i'd have to say Seanald/Voided

[pieguyn]

given it's a large game, scum lynches this early in the game most likely will involve bussing. tho keep in mind there's only 2 other people on his team (or mb 3)

now that you mention it, thinking about it from a money standpoint bussing might not be such a good idea. not sure atm >_<

[pieguyn]

Yes, I have Hitman and Investigative Immunity.

Something about Upside just seemed off to me, and PV/Pieguyn pretty much seemed non-existent. I do have townreads on the other two though.

Among everyone else, Eagle's confusion seemed genuine enough, and I think I remember thinking that Gaurda/Harakiri were fairly town. I don't have any scumreads though, because I don't get scumreads.

PEdit: I don't see any possible harm in saying what Zd already said, and I don't know why I forgot to mention reads earlier. How could it be bad advice?

I didn't exist until page 58 so ofc I seemed non-existent :>

[pieguyn]

wait what the hell I thought I posted

brb catching up a bit

[pieguyn]

speaking of countermeasures, if anyone gets the NK they shouldn't claim it

haven't caught up yet will do later

[pieguyn]

okay so Mhork medium'ed Pyro and people are asking questions to Pyro to confirm this? and then Pyro is all pissed off thinking it's "cheating"?

I really have no idea why the hell Pyro would have this kind of reaction. smth like this can only help town, and Pyro is flipped town, so I don't get this at all. this screams like a gambit to get towncred for Mhork. I seriously can't think of any logical reason Pyro would be mad for that reason. someone plz tell me if I'm wrong cause I might have missed something

Morph because there is really little to no scum-hunting in their posts, the majority of which is trying to get people to town-read them. And by this I mean, the interaction with people they consider scum is null.

why isn't obvtowning a valid town strategy?

even if you suck at scumhunting you can be a good asset if all the other town members read you as town

[pieguyn]

the definition of obvtowning is that it's impossible for scum to actually pull off and have everyone agree on it

can you further explain what specifically makes you think her first intention is getting people to townread her, and not helping town?

[pieguyn]

can you point out specifically what's bad about that post

"all of it" is an acceptable answer but you have to be honest

[pieguyn]

wait nvm, countermeasures needs a target to do anything

[pieguyn]

the people on the Nero wagon are kind of freaking me out

vote: Seanald

I feel most comfortable here atm. combination of others' meta arguments and some stuff from his ISO. overall, it seems like he's posting enough not to be seen as an outright lurker, but isn't really posting much real content. I saw at least 3 posts in his ISO that are just asking people to confirm stuff. it seems like he could be trying to make sure he doesn't get heat for screwing something up.

Spoiler: the at least 3 posts

Are we advertising claiming for last night? Or still putting it together for N0?

Advo'd for market analyst last night and bid the fuck outta night kill, didn't win that though.

UNVOTE: klick (jacbo)

VOTE: Dr Pepper

I addmittedly know next to nothing about Dr. pepper, but if he is the plan to increase our wages then so be it.

Also I hope everyone has read "The Plan"

That was the final draft of the plan correct?

Ok still here, been away for a bit with all the halloween stuff going on.

read most of the pages, are we still claiming the night actions stuff? cuz I did advertise the $5 on each, I was also a bit selfish and bid on something, then transfered the rest to 1 of the big six. Since I've been away, I don't feel like claiming everything outright specificly right now.

I'll look more into what's happened recently later

[pieguyn]

the people on the Nero wagon are kind of freaking me out

who specifically/why? what's your current read on nero?

you, Mhork, and Voided, cause I'm not sure on any of them. the fact that there's so many null/null-scums on there so early is putting me off

null again. I haven't really sorted him yet. that one interaction with Mhork he had doesn't read town v town for me, so I'm wary about them for now.

[pieguyn]

if there's scum apathy then that would point to lack of bussing on D2 I think

there might still be right scum on there though

[pieguyn]

oh and also Seanald. he's only made one post on D3 afaik

[pieguyn]

1. I was thinking Mhork did have a connection with Pyro, answered the questions, and then made up everything after the questions. I was tired as shit when I wrote that and looking back I admit it's really stupid.

2. I was keeping up with the thread for like 10 pages when the game started and then got lazy and stopped, and I was pretty sure people were saying it was multiball. also it's pretty obvious when the example mafia pm says "left hand" that there should be a "right hand" associated with it IMO

3. I liked how you just came out and basically said "well shit why would we bid $100 when we can bid $80 instead". looking back on it though since that was a gambit my genuineness radar is probably off @_@

[pieguyn]

I don't get it. Why would scum not bus if their buddy was for sure going down?

1. that gives 0 towncred if he's "for sure" going down

2.

Hello, XXX!

The free market is fine, but it’s so...inefficient. A shame, really, but from that insight you quickly realized that with the help of a few others who shared your views that this is a turning point, a time of opportunity. Control of the marketplace can lead to all of your dreams coming true; given such a reward, it’s obvious that you’ll do anything to eliminate the competition -- permanently.

You are a

Mafia (Left Hand) Member

, along with your partners [REDACTED].

Nest Egg:

You start the game with [REDACTED].

Wage:

At the end of every Day, you will receive [REDACTED].

Efficiency Bonus:

You do not receive an efficiency bonus.

Mafia Bonus:

At the end of every Day, [REDACTED].

mafia receives wages. someone said somewhere mafia could pool their money for bids. thus, the less mafia are alive, the less money they get, putting a disadvantage on bussing.

[pieguyn]

at the time of your argument with mhork, I was thinking you were town and mhork was mafia. but given your inactivity and mhork's claim I'm not sure on either of you anymore. this is basically just gut and I still haven't formally sorted either of you

[pieguyn]

up to 319, I haven't seen uwop yell at anyone else for "fluff". it seems suspicious since it's not consistent

I don't remember calling anyone out for fluff all game? That's be really hypocritical of me. I'm not hypocritical.

I'm sure I read a post coming from you that was mentioning fluff

it was like really early though so it's not too relevant now

also prod dodge. real post coming later

[pieguyn]

Prohawk- My townread on hawkie has flown south for the winter, because nothing he's doing makes sense right now. He seems disengaged, which doesn't really fit. (If he's scum, he's right hand given DP's inclusion in his townreads)

why couldn't DP put prohawk in his townreads if they were aligned?

Too much scum-benefit in sheeping to be null.

Sakura has told me she always sheeps Nacho on D1. that makes this a Sakura tell, not a scum-tell.

[pieguyn]

ugh, hardly anything recently has pinged for me. I don't think ProHawk v. Voided is town v town. it's mostly gut and I don't have a specific explanation, but something about that interaction feels terribly off.

was going to support the Voided wagon, see PV voted Seanald. ok that works too

[pieguyn]

I don't want another 239847 page argument with Voided about pretty much nothing. I was going to vote Voided but I think a Seanald wagon would be good too, since he's hardly done anything and wagoning him might help us better determine alignment.

[pieguyn]

sure

the people on the Nero wagon are kind of freaking me out

vote: Seanald

I feel most comfortable here atm. combination of others' meta arguments and some stuff from his ISO. overall, it seems like he's posting enough not to be seen as an outright lurker, but isn't really posting much real content. I saw at least 3 posts in his ISO that are just asking people to confirm stuff. it seems like he could be trying to make sure he doesn't get heat for screwing something up.

Spoiler: the at least 3 posts

Are we advertising claiming for last night? Or still putting it together for N0?

Advo'd for market analyst last night and bid the fuck outta night kill, didn't win that though.

UNVOTE: klick (jacbo)

VOTE: Dr Pepper

I addmittedly know next to nothing about Dr. pepper, but if he is the plan to increase our wages then so be it.

Also I hope everyone has read "The Plan"

That was the final draft of the plan correct?

Ok still here, been away for a bit with all the halloween stuff going on.

read most of the pages, are we still claiming the night actions stuff? cuz I did advertise the $5 on each, I was also a bit selfish and bid on something, then transfered the rest to 1 of the big six. Since I've been away, I don't feel like claiming everything outright specificly right now.

I'll look more into what's happened recently later

why so passive? ^ that includes lurking, lack of content, and what was quoted above.

[pieguyn]

I did. I'm asking, how come you haven't been posting much?

[pieguyn]

Lol ok? Loaded question you already know your answer, or you joined my wagon cuz it was easy and you didn't think I'd say much.
Anyway Numerous reasons, lack of time due to work schedule, other times didn't want to, and other times was busy with another game.

I'm the first vote on your wagon atm (the only one for you before me was ProHawk) and there's only 2 votes on you total atm. OMGUS much?

[pieguyn]

no I'm wagoning him to get him to actually do something

[pieguyn]

he's been lurking a lot and has hardly contributed any actual content. therefore I want a wagon on him. I think he's scum and if he's not then he should start contributing stuff that'll make me think otherwise.

also I'm fairly certain Voided is the one that's mafia anyway

[pieguyn]

wagon != lynch. if I decide to I can switch over to Voided later if I feel he's the better option. better to at least try to get something than just sit there and let him go by unnoticed. no reason to not do something just cause it might not work, when there's no consequences for doing so.

I'd give one but I'm still not too sure exactly what happened myself and I don't wanna give out false information

[pieguyn]

Indeed, but still I see no reason why you wouldnt want to lynch your suspect that you find it more likely to be scum while still pressing seanald with questions, and at worst saying that he should also be looked at tomorrow if the Voided lynch is a go.

I'm just going to take a page from thor's book here and say that we should drive Voided to L-1 and get a claim we can analyse before proceeding further, we already got wage freeze on so... he cant make us lose money by delaying any claim anyway.

On another note, i dont even remember who my hydra is voting, nor I know how many votes are on Voided so i'll check that next VC before I vote him

~Sakura Hana

why would I? I don't like questions that bascially go "why wouldn't you do xxx" when there's nothing wrong with what I did.

[pieguyn]

@morph: yes, but I have the right to change my pressure vote into a lynch vote if I don't like his reaction.

no I'm wagoning him to get him to actually do something

So you told him it's a pressure vote AND you told him how to make it go away.

which is why everything he said is contrived, he didn't really have a game plan to his vote and he wasn't really fully committed, it's scummy honestly.

if you believed this, then you would have explained it when you originally said my posting was contrived. in its current state, this post serves no purpose but to scumpaint me.

the fact that you waited for morph to say this, and then threw this on there, makes me think you're scum squirming, rather than actually having a reason to suspect me.

[pieguyn]

holy wow

[pieguyn]

what's amish

[pieguyn]

so are we lynching Voided or what

I'd be fine with that and the Seanald wagon isn't going anywhere

vote: Voided

btw I seriously don't get where all the scumreads on KingdomAces are coming from. all I saw were people quoting posts and voting him without much of an explanation. can someone plz explain/link it?

[pieguyn]

town
5. pieguyn (replaces guille2015)
6. Lost Butterfly (a hydra of Faraday and Mina) <- still like them
9. morph the cat (a hydra of Cabd and fferyllt) <- liking them too

null-town
2. PeregrineV <- he's not posting much but he's picking up on the right things for me
3. Nero Cain <- I don't even know anymore about nero/mhork. I have a feeling they're both town and scum is just fucking with us.
13. uʍop ǝpısdn (a hydra of N and Quilford) <- Quil's posting read town as fuck when he started. N is null for me. was worried I wouldn't get to see any more of Quil's town as fuck-ness but he already posted the reason for his inactivity so I can look at them again later
17. Lord Mhork <- see Nero
19. 1baldeagle1 <- he still isn't pinging me the wrong way, despite a drop in activity from D1./
21. Espeonage (replaces JacobSavage who replaced Klick) <- liked his entrance

null
7. Garuda (a hydra of Empire and Nachomamma8)
10. BBmolla
11. Ghostly Penguin (a hydra of Ghostlin and penguin_alien) (replaces Banakai)
14. zMuffinMan
16. ProHawk
18. KingdomAces (replaces Zdenek) <- KingdomAces himself is entirely null for me so far and I don't get all the scumreads on him. mb I'm just missing something >_< Zdenek was null-town but after thinking about it more it doesn't seem too unlikely scum got the roles he claimed and decided to be honest about getting them

scum
1. VoidedMafia
4. Seanald
12. Harakiri (a hydra of Natirasha and Sakura Hana)

i have too many damn townreads. I agree with whoever pointed out a while back that BP going for $190 something indicates scum being scared, which indicates that our big 6 townreads were mostly correct, if not entirely. if there's scum in there it's probably PV or uwop. leaning uwop cause PV seems to be picking up on the right stuff for me, but that's only if there was even a scum in there in the first place

I don't have enough scumreads so the remaining ones should be taken from my null reads. not sure yet on exactly who in there would be the remaining scum

[pieguyn]

null
7. Garuda (a hydra of Empire and Nachomamma8)
16. ProHawk
18. KingdomAces (replaces Zdenek) _< Zdenek was null-town but after thinking about it more it doesn't seem too unlikely scum got the roles he claimed and decided to be honest about getting them

null-scum
10. BBmolla
11. Ghostly Penguin (a hydra of Ghostlin and penguin_alien) (replaces Banakai)
14. zMuffinMan

sry, my null is so similar to my null-scum cause generally when someone is null for me historically I find that to make it more likely they're scum than just being dead null. so that makes it around the same as null-scum. so I wouldn't be surprised at all if this was entirely back-ass-wards >_<//

[pieguyn]

is it just me or did Voided just suddenly start scumreading Seanald right after I pointed out Seanald's behavior

I'm sorry, been VLA. I'll get something up later.

Why are we still scum, pie?

I'm feeling a major disconnect from Sakura in this game that I'm not used to feeling from town Sakura

and I've felt terribly off about you the whole game. basically is just gut 0.0

[pieguyn]

can you link to where you were scumreading him plz? I must have missed it sry >_<

[pieguyn]

oh sure you all jump on him after I move my vote off him T_T

vote Seanald

[pieguyn]

are you fucking kidding me

or did you just claim scum

if you were town you had no reason to do that

[pieguyn]

wow I knew Seanald was scum

two more votes plz

[pieguyn]

Seanald, how much money do you have right now?

[pieguyn]

Seanald how much did you have before austerity got activated

[pieguyn]

oh sry, I thought it was immediate
let me see something

[pieguyn]

Night 0 - bid $25 on austerity measures

Night 1 - advo $14 market analyst

Night 1- Bid $120 night kill

Night 2 -
advo'd $5 to the 5 listed abilities (cop, doctor, watcher, wage freeze, tracker)

bid $40 on coroner (won)
Bid $38 on market analyst (lost)

Transfered $80 to one of the big six. (I really don't feel like giving the name out, I have a large town read on them and don't want to put a further target on their back)

Night 0 - start: $100 -> won austerity for $11 -> end: $89
Day 1 - start: $89 -> wages $50 -> end: $139
Night 1 - start: $139 -> adv $14 market analyst, bid $120 night kill (lost) -> end: $139 - $14 - $120 + $108 = $113
Day 2 - start: $113 -> wages $50 + efficiency bonus $25 -> end: $113 + $50 + $25 = $188
Night 2 - start: $188 -> won coroner for $26, bid $38 lost , adv $25, transferred $80 -> end: $188 - $26 - $38 + $34 - $25 - $80 =

$53

I didn't recheck my math
nor do I feel like it
someone tell me if I fucked up

[pieguyn]

yeah that's a more basic explanation

hahahahaha

[pieguyn]

Pie, your response to seanald's read of you?

who cares
\:D/

if he really does flip town though, which he won't, then as far as I could see it was an entirely gut "read" and it seems like OMGUS

[pieguyn]

we need to finalize if we're switching me out in case Seanald is town. it seems ambiguous atm

I agree a lot of the stuff I posted early on (especially about the Pyro/Mhork) seems really stupid and I attribute that to me being tired as shit when posting it. I can't remember all the specifics of her read on me so plz tell me if that doesn't answer all of it

[pieguyn]

huhwhaaaaaaaaaat

At the end of the Night, before kills resolve, the winning bidder receives any unused bid money back, and receives the ability in question. All other bidders receive 90% (round down) of their bid money back.

no that applies for all bids

scumslip?

[pieguyn]

it's still wrong unless I fucked my math up

which I won't know unless someone corrects it

Scumleaning:
Prohawk (something there I don't trust)
pieguy same kind of distrust there

that seems like an entirely gut read @_@

re: other post: incorrect, I explained all my reasons for voting you. you had no defense besides just saying it was all "contrived"

[pieguyn]

Also she would like to repeat for pie's sake that she feels the 'let's verify Mhork' thing was super fake. Also she thinks pie is a moron for seriously thinking that confirmed town would try to gambit to get me town cred.

I was tired as shit when posting that and I admit it was really stupid

Pieguy: While his catchup post looked townie, that's fakable as scum. She thinks he's capable of doing that as scum.

on one hand, this makes me feel warm and fuzzy. on the other hand, this makes me sad T_T

She also doesn't like Sakura's or pieguy's recent posting.

nothing specific here to respond to

this is all I found let me know if I missed smth

[pieguyn]

wat
why should I be forced to prove I'm not mafia for seemingly no reason? no one's presented any case or arguments against me. 0.0

[pieguyn]

plz quit messing with me ;w;

Does one need an argument to scumread somebody?

yeah? I don't see why someone can just go "hey I'm going to scumread you for no reason whatsoever"

[pieguyn]

agree with that. but there's still reasoning for the scumread, even if you're keeping it a secret

hey I have insomnia too. mb this is a sign I should go to bed \:D/

[pieguyn]

vote: zmuffin

there's no way in hell thinking Seanald was derptown to the point of not voting him came from a town thought process. he even mentioned smth about the red auctions where town doesn't get any extra info on the red auctions. but he apparently thought he had a good enough chance of being town after all that shit to not vote him. srsly

[pieguyn]

@Esp: yeah but I wanna do something that isn't just instawagoning Voided. that said, why zmuffin over Voided?

@LB: I had thoughts like that about the money, but I couldn't overlook how he differentiated between the normal and red auctions. I was convinced there's no way in hell town could say smth like that because town gets no additional information on the red auctions besides "the mafia have an advantage"

[pieguyn]

No, n/a, n/a, $10 on FRC, $5 on bulletproof, $100 to one of pie and garuda, and I reconfirm I transferred to Pere N2

ugh wtf
I went to go verify you nominated FRC back when everyone was posting their top abilities to advertise (since afaik I was the only one who wanted FRC) and I just realized you never even claimed the top 5 abilities you'd want to advertise. can you explain why not plz?

uwop I don't give a shit how bad my vote is get the hell off me and make a good vote. or are you attacking me because you're zmuffin's buddy

[pieguyn]

uwop I don't give a shit how bad my vote is get the hell off me and make a good vote. or are you attacking me because you're zmuffin's buddy

what

your post where you voted me implies you think my vote on zmuffin is bad

you must have missed the part where I outright said that I wanted to do something that wasn't instawagoning voided. thus, I chose to vote zmuffin. I don't give a shit how half-assed that vote really is, and I'm well aware it is considering the whole vote came from one thing that happened to ping me really hard. but it'd be even worse if the only thing that happened was an instalynch on D4 and we got no new information at all besides voided's flip. we already got smth in the form of Espeonage joining the wagon and now this

ever since people started being paranoid there was scum inside the townblock, you're trying to take advantage of it by implying I'm scum. and your reasons for voting me are pretty much the easiest possible reasons to come up with and show a lack of actual scumhunting. you haven't tried to question me or make an actual push on me. as it is, you've provided no actual reasoning besides bad posting (I've already explained my bad posting was due to me being tired as fuck when I made those posts), and have just been quoting posts I've made and going "ugh", "this is bad", etc. without saying anything specific about any of it.

tl;dr: your whole push on me is opportunistic as fuck. this screams like scum lining up a mislynch

vote: uwop

[pieguyn]

but I haven't been following pie's interactions with ud closely this game and would prefer to hear upside down defend themselves.)

he's basically quoted 7 or 8 posts I've made and had nothing to say besides "ugh", "how did I get a townread on you again", etc.

that's all there is

[pieguyn]

yeah I already said the first one was stupid. but you saying I'm trying to make mhork "look bad" follows from me being mafia in the first place, making this logic circular.

the second one is you twisting my words around. I'm not even the one who came up with the idea of scum apathy

the third one is bullshit. the thing that's suspicious is when scum claims something is scum v. town, pushes a lynch on one of them, then goes "oops wrong one" and pushes a lynch on the other one. I was not doing that. I was blatantly expressing that I had no fkin idea what to think of that interaction and moving on.

for the fourth one, I already said I wanted to avoid instawagoning voided. my point was there is no way in hell that opinion came from a town perspective. it's not a reasonable way of thinking about it. from a town perspective, mafia is the only one who knows what the hell is up with the red auctions. so when Seanald posted that it should set off a major red flag.

there's also the fact that he was basically like "hey he COULD be derptown", implying he wasn't even sure about his read. in that situation I really doubt it'd be possible to not be sure, due to major tells like the post about red auction. you'd have to be pretty sure he's derptown to not vote him with shit like that going on, and from his post, he wasn't

yes I did answer the question. I know I read a post from you mentioning fluff. 132

It's like you were expecting muffin to come in today seeking out those who pushed Seanald the hardest

this is exactly what I was expecting him to do. if he's scum, it'd be a nice way of throwing suspicion on people for doing something that's perfectly reasonable, just because "omg he was town". but rather than waiting to see if he'd go for it, I figured it'd be better to just out it immediately cause I wasn't sure when he'd be online and I don't feel like waiting (plus there's a good chance deadline will be activated, then there wouldn't be any time for that). nice scumpainting attempt tho

and no I'm not going to bother with the busywork of going through whole whole damn ISO and quoting every post like that you made

try harder

[pieguyn]

yeah, well, you're a derp and i don't give two shits whether you think i'm scum. you're naive and clueless if you really believe there weren't scum eagerly jumping on the seanald lynch. iirc, outside of PV and prohawk and maybe a couple others i forget, no one showed interest in getting a seanald wagon going D3, prior to the last 24 hours before the deadline. if he was really that fucking scummy, and that was such a town-driven wagon, it wouldn't have taken 13 fucking days days to happen.

yeah I agree there was scum on his wagon. just fkin look at it. I went to go look at who was pushing him near the end of D3 and the thing that pinged me the most was actually you staying off his wagon, rather than someone on the wagon, so I wanted to check there first.

[pieguyn]

Fuck off. You can't just dismiss everything I say as "that's bullshit, I can't be bothered with busywork so I'm not going to answer any of these accusations".

no

I don't recall you answering this before now, and I looked through your iso. You quoted me asking it and gave a non-comital answer - "I don't remember. It's not relevant."

well yeah how the hell should I remember exactly what post in your ISO it was? after you asked me again I decided I'd humor you and find the post again.

If you were just moving on, why did you bring it up three times?

moving on as in I never tried to pursue any scumread I had on any of them. go try to find one post I made where I legitimately pushed either Nero or Mhork. good luck ~

Not really. Why, other than to make Mhork look bad, did you say you didn't believe that he had contacted Pyro after he had been confirmed through morph?

I didn't actually say that

There was one vote on Voided at that time; that's hardly a wagon.

no

Did I say you were the one that came up with the idea?

you implied it by saying I said "omg all the apathetic people are scum" and not bringing up anyone else who agreed with the idea of scum apathy

[pieguyn]

shit

[pieguyn]

atm I'd be fine with lynching KingdomAces, Voided, or uwop

[pieguyn]

We're you not expecting scum to activate Deadline? The question, of course, is, "Who activated it?". Someone who wasn't online til now, probably. Eagle's a good bet.

wow

my insane theory was that scum waited to use it just to fk with people, and then come in going "xxx wasn't online till it was used so it has to be him". but now that my scumread actually did it, I have no idea what to even think

just one thing, can you explain why eagle? he had a few posts before it got activated 0.0

[pieguyn]

Let's do Voided.

Also, I'm gonna freeze ProHawk's vote on Voided, because I really really think Voided is scum and we are not going to let him evade another lynch.

Uwop is a bit scummy too, but I prefer Voided greatly.

This post's timing is super awkward.

ohok I see

holy wow that does seem really awkward. the fact that it was you who called it makes me a bit paranoid, but all the evidence is there 0.0

[pieguyn]

If I put Sakura on the line can she convince you we're town? I really wanna work with you, pie.

ok sure we can work together. I'm not even sure of my scumread on you anymore @_@

[pieguyn]

Nice discredit, tho.

Also, there's a difference between "hesitating" (which I didn't do) and "deferring" (which I did). Learn it, plz.

You're going to die today.

You can call it whatever you want to be cute, but it was a hesitation.

so you just came out of nowhere to throw more heat on Voided ok

[pieguyn]

@ProHawk: certainly you have to have had something useful to say that didn't have something to do with Voided

@Harakiri: I dunno about lynching him. he might be scum but there's other people who we should probably lynch first (KA/Voided/uwop or fkin eagle </3)

[pieguyn]

vote: prohawk

[pieguyn]

I say we just repeat the same thing we did on N3

we might wanna add another scumread to keep the number of scumreads consistent

[pieguyn]

I don't think that's a good idea

just do what we did last time and have the nulls and the townreads advertise/bid on whatever seems good for now

[pieguyn]

vla until sometime tomorrow

[pieguyn]

can someone claim using wage freeze plz

Guys, we should be voting Voided. Voided is just disregarding me for a stupid player whenever I try to attack him, so he's discrediting me.

Also, Voided was pissed that I froze a vote on him, LOL.

fake

and I don't see how that's even a scumtell

Both of you can't even

begin

to complain about people misspelling your names. I mean, fuck, people have trouble figuring out my gender, let alone spell correctly.

I've never misspelt your name <3

KA is null for me. I'm fine with this

vote: KingdomAces
L-2

also are we changing the plan for N4? since one of the 4 townreads died we might wanna add another one in their place. same with the scumreads

[pieguyn]

If you think something's interesting enough to note in the first place, you should remember it. I asked you for clarification very early on while it would have still been fresh in your memory and you refused to give me an actual answer until I'd repeated the question twice and voted for you.

hell fucking no. there's no way I can remember exact shit in 100+ pages without having to go back and look for it, unless it's something major. you posting about fluff was not major, I wasn't even pushing it, but you all of a sudden included it when you wanna make a case on me. nice try

Thank you for making my point.

no

next quote: I was thinking mhork did medium pyro, answered the questions, then started making stuff up (Pyro's reaction) after that. ofc that's really fucking stupid, and I get now it's incorrect. however, I know I've said this before. who's the one who's "dodging" now?

[pieguyn]

oh you're no fun > <

I damn well know scum used it. I was hoping scum would slip up and claim it anyway. thx a lot T_T

[pieguyn]

no it's not

tell me what motivation I would possibly have for grasping at straws. it's a gambit that, even though it probably wouldn't work, at least has a chance to get something. see: what LB did with you (?). what's the difference between what I did and that? 0.0

[pieguyn]

v most recent version of THE PLAN. everyone nominate their top 2 townreads so we can fill in morph's spot and nominate which scumread should replace Seanald. we're making this happen

NOTE: IF you roll at 4, then send to whoever of Garuda or pieguym you're most comfortable sending money.

THE PLAN VERSION TWO: READ IT AGAIN FUCKERS

Updating plans to fit confotown Pyro's reads:

If your name is:

Lost Butterfly
morph
Pie
Peregrine

then tonight you sit down and get money. Bid as you see fit, advertise items you want to see available, play strategically, maybe steal some good stuff.

If your name is:

Voidedmafia
Seanald
Nero Cain
Kingdom Aces
Espionage
Prohawk

Then roll a 4 sided dice. Keep your roll a secret from any neighbor you might have.
If it is a 1, send all your remaining money to MTC
If it is a 2, send all your remaining money to LB
If it is a 3, send all your remaining money to Peregrine
If it is a 4, send all your remaining money to Pieguyn


If you don't have physical dice laying around, then you can roll virtual dice here: http://www.random.org/dice/

NOTE: This process will work best if it works randomly. Please don't pick your personal favorite out of of the list. Roll the dice and do what the Goddess of Chaos bids.



If you are on neither of these lists, then advertise as you feel appropriate. We don't want to lose another strong role like we did tracker.

Also, if anyone gets a windfall, shuffle the love around.

[pieguyn]

ok this should work for now I think. it's the same as N3 just with morph/Seanald taken out. if anyone has anything to suggest better go fast

NOTE: IF you roll at 3, then send to whoever of Garuda or pieguym you're most comfortable sending money.

THE PLAN VERSION TWO: READ IT AGAIN FUCKERS

Updating plans to fit confotown Pyro's reads:

If your name is:

Lost Butterfly
Pie
Peregrine

then tonight you sit down and get money. Bid as you see fit, advertise items you want to see available, play strategically, maybe steal some good stuff.

If your name is:

Voidedmafia
Nero Cain
Kingdom Aces
Espionage
Prohawk

Then roll a 3 sided dice. Keep your roll a secret from any neighbor you might have.
If it is a 1, send all your remaining money to LB
If it is a 2, send all your remaining money to Peregrine
If it is a 3, send all your remaining money to Pieguyn


If you don't have physical dice laying around, then you can roll virtual dice here: http://www.random.org/dice/

NOTE: This process will work best if it works randomly. Please don't pick your personal favorite out of of the list. Roll the dice and do what the Goddess of Chaos bids.



If you are on neither of these lists, then advertise as you feel appropriate. We don't want to lose another strong role like we did tracker.

Also, if anyone gets a windfall, shuffle the love around.

[pieguyn]

vote: uwop

[pieguyn]

(Oh, also, I figured it was safer to go all in for an ability that

wasn't

in red, since we don't know how scum can interfere with red bids.)

I just want to say it's not worth it. I've bid thrice on red auctions and gotten outbid by 1 each time. I think scum can see others who bid on the red auctions and plan accordingly--only way the NK bids make sense.

that just means there's a bid that was higher than yours and it got reduced to the lowest winning bid, that is, one above your bid

that's probably why the N2 NK only went for $76. no one else bothered to bid more than $75 on it

[pieguyn]

I'm saying the scum's nk bids don't make sense. They don't have 300+ each night to bid on it in addition to getting the other powers if my math is working out right, unless they have inside knowledge on these nk bids. I'm the reason that the NK went so high two nights.

hm

I guess any money they spend on red auctions is multiplied by some factor?

Insider Dealings: Any money you spend bidding on auctions that are listed in red is [REDACTED]

v

Insider Dealings: Any money you spend bidding on auctions that are listed in red is doubled

Insider Dealings: Any money you spend bidding on auctions that are listed in red is increased by 50%

etc. etc.

[pieguyn]

where'd the flip flop on eagle come from

[pieguyn]

them making a post right after deadline got activated yesterday

[pieguyn]

actually

what nights did you bid on NK?

[pieguyn]

no vote uwop with us plz

[pieguyn]

town
5. pieguyn (replaces guille2015)
6. Lost Butterfly (a hydra of Faraday and Mina)
12. Harakiri (a hydra of Natirasha and Sakura Hana)
17. Lord Mhork


1. VoidedMafia
3. Nero Cain
7. Garuda (a hydra of Empire and Nachomamma8)
10. BBmolla
11. Ghostly Penguin (a hydra of Ghostlin and penguin_alien) (replaces Banakai)
13. uʍop ǝpısdn (a hydra of N and Quilford)
14. zMuffinMan
16. ProHawk
19. 1baldeagle1
21. Espeonage (replaces JacobSavage who replaced Klick)
^ 5 scum in those names. the other thing i noticed is that on D2 we were all gonna quicklynch Klick but then it got derailed onto DP. so it's possible Esp is right scum with Garuda

[pieguyn]

wat
if both teams had 3 then there's 6 total. eliminate 1 and we have 5

[pieguyn]

Pie should I say it or you?

>zmuffin obtown in Touhou
wow Nati you suck ;w;
I almost had him o/ although my approach on him in that game was not to sort him until I absolutely had to since I couldn't get anything definitive either way. which I thought would have been on D4 but noooooooooo

if that's not it, I don't know what you're talking about

[pieguyn]

where'd you get the idea that I have a cop guilty on him? 0.0

now that you mention it, I think I should out this now

scum locked me out of NK last night. also, scum roleblocked me - I watched PeregrineV and got action failed.

I first though he commuted and they used hitman on him, but zdenek/KA had hitman so that's impossible.

that's close enough to a cop guilty right

judging from Peregrine, I guess this means I'm up next for death

[pieguyn]

fuck no read Harakiri's post
Harakiri thought I had a cop guilty on uwop, I don't

[pieguyn]

that wasn't entirely serious

however, I could see scum locking me out of NK, but why would they roleblock me? and why do they choose to attack me now, as opposed to LB? the timing of scum's attack on me makes me lean towards uwop. if uwop was town, they would see legitimate town paranoia on me and probably go for LB, but since they didn't, it makes me think uwop's attack on me came from a scum agenda.

[pieguyn]

considering the likelihood of scum having won a lot of red auctions, why would they roleblock you at all?

it seems more WIFOM than anything

vote: zmuffin

[pieguyn]

uwop being scum doesn't directly follow from me being roleblocked. rather, me being roleblocked would make sense if he was scum. I have many other reasons for suspecting uwop, namely his terrible push on me.

for me, it makes sense that he, as scum:
1. saw town paranoia that there was scum in the BIG 6
2. tried to take advantage of this by throwing paranoia on me
3. when he failed, they decided that I indeed have to be nk'ed along with all the other people in the townblock
and then
4. roleblocked me stop stop any investigations or actions on him

you are tentatively scum for reasons I rather not out at this point, although the post I quoted did have something to do with it

later tonight I'll ISO you and check something which may either clear you or solidify my read on you

vote: uwop

[pieguyn]

the paranoia of there being scum in the townblock was present ever since morph started the plan

he hasn't been trying to ask me questions or interact with me. this make me think he's just trying to get people to be paranoid of me, rather than scumhunting. and his push on me started after other people were pointing out I could be scum, although that's not necessarily relevant as it is and I need to go back and double check smth

can you explain why we wouldn't be having this conversation if we're scum?

[pieguyn]

*you're

[pieguyn]

k scratch the point that his push on me started after people started pointing out I might be scum. looking at it again I think that wasn't even correct, let alone relevant here

other points still hold tho

[pieguyn]

wait hold up

if we mislynch today, we need to treat tomorrow like LYLO, as opposed to MYLO. e.g. don't vote recklessly. this is because of Voided's EV - if he's scum then scum can pile one more vote than usual onto a wagon to secure a lynch.

and we definitely shouldn't NL at any point, for that same reason. if voided is scum they can just get an extra vote and get a lynch immediately

[pieguyn]

my read on nero is around null-scum. mhork is town and their interactions way back when gave me weird vibes. I'd be ok with lynching him, but I prefer uwop for now

I'll let Nati make a judgement on that cause he seems to be good at determining when you're town. I'm paranoid of you and I especially don't wanna let you off the hook considering I know I would have had you in touhou if the game continued and I want revenge @_@ even if it was mostly by PoE there. after doing some very preliminary ISO'ing I did notice some things, but I need to look into it more later

[pieguyn]

he seemed confident enough in touhou upick from what I remember

[pieguyn]

hi Nati what do you think about 3612

[pieguyn]

That's a shitty reason to vote.

so you see nothing suspicious in that post?

[pieguyn]

uuu

you'll just have to trust me then. I'm almost certain about this. after I go back and formally ISO him I'll know for sure if I'm correct or not

in the meantime, why Garuda? plz wait till after zmuffin gives his thoughts

[pieguyn]

where'd you use it 0.0

[pieguyn]

I don't have a cop guilty

[pieguyn]

you sent in the activation on D4?

[pieguyn]

problem is we have no way of knowing if you used it or not

I say it's better not to do anything reckless just to be safe

[pieguyn]

The attack is scummy because N didn't identify you as town?

no it's scummy because I have reasons to believe it came from a scum agenda

which include
1. his reasons were bad
2. the timing of his push seems like he was trying to throw paranoia on me, rather than do actual scumhunting
3. he misrep'd me 923874 times
4. scum trying to eliminate me from the night game, indicating that said "paranoia" on me wasn't town-based

[pieguyn]

no not yet I got sidetracked and then fell asleep .-.

[pieguyn]

I don't know yet

currently at

10. BBmolla
13. uʍop ǝpısdn (a hydra of N and Quilford)
14. zMuffinMan
19. 1baldeagle1
21. Espeonage (replaces JacobSavage who replaced Klick)

but that may change any second now once I look at zmuffin some more

[pieguyn]

uuu yeah

I think zmuffin is scum. I'd rather not elaborate, but I'm almost positive. I really hope I'm not wrong here > <

my current reads
town
5. pieguyn (replaces guille2015)
6. Lost Butterfly (a hydra of Faraday and Mina)
12. Harakiri (a hydra of Natirasha and Sakura Hana)
17. Lord Mhork

null
1. VoidedMafia
3. Nero Cain
10. BBmolla
11. Ghostly Penguin (a hydra of Ghostlin and penguin_alien) (replaces Banakai)
16. ProHawk

scum
7. Garuda (a hydra of Empire and Nachomamma8)
13. uʍop ǝpısdn (a hydra of N and Quilford)
14. zMuffinMan
19. 1baldeagle1
21. Espeonage (replaces JacobSavage who replaced Klick)

I'm certain at least 4 of the above names are scum. Garuda is the only one I'm not really sure of and if it's not him then it's probably Nero

now sheep me so we can win plz

[pieguyn]

oh yeah and I'm not sure about baldeagle either

all his posting around the time where he used vote freeze read fake as fuck. however, given the kind of shit people have been doing in this game, I wouldn't be too surprised if he ends up being town after all 0.0

[pieguyn]

if there is a correct way to read your play and the reason I'm scumreading you is because I don't know what it is, then why is there almost no one here who's townreading you? certainly there HAS to be someone here who is familiar enough to know exactly why this is your towngame

even morph, who gave the most specific townread on you in this game, wasn't completely convinced

if enough people bother me I can out some of the exact reasons, but let's just see what happens first

[pieguyn]

in the meantime, what do you think about my other scumreads?

[pieguyn]

there's people townreading you but no one's given any concrete evidence that this matches your towngame that I can recall. I'm not willing to buy townreads that don't have anything specific to them, especially on someone like you. I had a gut townread on you on D1 in imperishable night which was wrong as fuck. it wasn't till I had specific shit to look at that I moved you out of my townpile and even then it was mostly based off PoE, so I take all gut reads on you with a grain of salt.

two questions
1. why are you townreading uwop?
2. why were you townreading Klick when he was still in the game?

[pieguyn]

... are you serious? even if that exact thing didn't happen in this very game (by morph), what is the point you're driving at here?

my point here is that I know you're a good scum player and that if I try to gut read you like I did in that other game, I'll almost certainly read you as town. I don't want to follow that path especially with only one more mislynch available, so I don't want to write you off as town without evidence of shit that absolutely and deterministically matches your towngame.

about morph, I think a lot of the stuff she said was applied incorrectly. I remember when I ISO'ed you I was reading her post and going "wait, this is probably his towngame? he's doing a lot of the shit you mentioned he does as scum".

Peregrine had also referenced specific similarities to your scumgame from what I can remember. and I've noticed similarities when doing my ISO of you

why are you asking me about this D5?

because I didn't see it as relevant until now.

[pieguyn]

it kind of disappointing that you admit you'd probably be gutreading me as town but you don't want to trust your gut.

and now we have the overlap in thoughts that fkin hit several times in imperishable night

ok I changed my mind

vote: zmuffin

we need to lynch this today. not at MYLO/LYLO, immediately. even though I'm relatively sure, I'm not quite as sure about him as I am of uwop, but doing this today will give us the most information for MYLO tomorrow. I don't want to have to make a really tough decision somewhere down the road and leave everyone open for large possibility for error.

if only mastin was here T_T

[pieguyn]

ok, I'll play with you all ~
I first wanted to see uwop's reaction since I think zmuffin + uwop is a plausible scumteam, but I don't think that'll happen any time soon, so

1. attitude about reaction tests

omfg

cant believe you hammered so quick

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should i fakehammer?

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2. reaction to being voted

if you're really

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worried about me, then just hit scum today and it won't be fucking mylo tomorrow

and if you're just going to lynch me and go back to trying to lynch ud tomorrow, then you should just be ignored for the rest of this game

flat denial. also matches morph's assessment that he gives a flat "no" as scum when voted

again drawing parallel to imperishable night

i don't have the energy to headdesk. i'm going to lie down for a bit.

3. more reactions to being voted

yeah, well, you're a derp and i don't give two shits whether you think i'm scum. you're naive and clueless if you really believe there weren't scum eagerly jumping on the seanald lynch. iirc, outside of PV and prohawk and maybe a couple others i forget, no one showed interest in getting a seanald wagon going D3, prior to the last 24 hours before the deadline. if he was really that fucking scummy, and that was such a town-driven wagon, it wouldn't have taken 13 fucking days days to happen.

here I voted him and, in addition to the straight denial, he injects the seanald wagon into the mix. he admitted postgame that when I was suspecting him in imperishable night he inject unrelated shit into the mix to get my attention away from him. this seems like the same thing.

4. again drawing conclusions from morph's meta check - practically all his posts are serious. I couldn't find any whimsical posts in his ISO at all @_@

5. massive "LYNCH NERO" wall is another thing I attribute more to scum zmuffin

gonna go over voided's ISO when i finish catching up in all my games

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thez might be scum, but i think i have a compelling counter-argument for why a BRO lynch is better

Spoiler:

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(note: wayne was town here, BRO was scum)

6. faking a lack of information. this is why that post where I quoted and voted him immediately was relevant

considering the likelihood of scum having won a lot of red auctions, why would they roleblock you at all?

it seems more WIFOM than anything

I know for sure I got roleblocked. however, he acts like it's not confirmed that I got roleblocked. yet another parallel:

if AA9 is scum, then that answers this question. if she's town, then i dunno. the day went pretty quick. if 2 of {mac, GP, TNE} are scum, then they didn't really have the opportunity to bus

this was almost scumslip worthy. BROseidon got lynched, I asked who bussed BRO, and the only two remaining possibilities were him and GIF/nacho hydra. however, he acted like there were other possibilities (thenewearth and ArcAngel9 who were practically 100% town). note that I can't get a good handle on if he acts like this as town, since I can't recreate the information on the table just by reading a game. it's smth becomes way more apparent when you're actually playing

someone tell me if I fked something up

[pieguyn]

1. the ones morph linked + touhou upick. sometime soon I wanna go through more of your towngames since that's only like 5 towngames and there were only like 3 posts in one of them - if you wanna give me towngames that have said reaction, i'll look at them

2. 3. can you explain what "flat denial" is and why the reaction is different from "flat denial"? it seemed like it to me, so if this is true then obv I must have misinterpreted what it is.

4. sry for confusion - the tone of your joke posts about reaction tests, and a lot of the less serious posts I saw in your towngames, seemed really different. if I could describe it, I'd say it seems too serious here. it's similar to that point I had about Voided where the tone in one of his posts was way too serious for a joke post.

6. the fact that you're questioning why they would roleblock me at all indicates what I said. also, I wouldn't put it past you to try smth like that as scum, especially when you've never done it before. on the rare occasion when I try to analyze shit based off the player itself, I ignore things I think they might do as either alignment. if I'm misreading you it's probably bc of that under the assumption that I don't have enough evidence to look at.

and the thing is, you're basing this entirely on one scum game from me that started way after morph had metadived me here, where i was scum against them as town and i needed to change things up slightly or risk them seeing right through me. and here's the thing; they almost did see right through me in that game. but they were consistently reading me as town here after the metadive. know why? because i was trying to fake my towngame in imperishable night and they probably knew that was the case there, but it didn't affect their read on me in this game because this is, undoubtedly, my town game.

fuck this makes more sense than I want it to make

[pieguyn]

what do you think of my other scumreads? (garuda/uwop/baldeagle/esp)

and I'd be fine with Garuda over BB

[pieguyn]

ugh zmuffin is mindfucking the shit out of me

I don't even know anymore. I'm feeling better about him, but I'm not letting him off the hook yet.

i really wasn't even questioning the roleblock, but it's only confirmed from your PoV so i don't know why you're acting like it should be confirmed from mine.

I'm practically 100% town at this point thanks to being locked out of NK. and this means that I'm probably going to die tonight, given what happened with Peregrine. I wasn't lying, so it might as well be confirmed from everyone else's PoV, especially since you all should be receiving my flip practically immediately.

[pieguyn]

in retrospect that KA lynch was terrible

I admit I kind of fucked up on my read on him, but looking back on him, he was pretty much the definition of town who acts scummy, but who if you look into the true intent in his posts you see a lot of town intent. that wagon was probably insanely scum-driven, more likely near the start

KingdomAces

(9): Lost Butterfly, Garuda, BBmolla, uʍop ǝpısdn, Harakiri,

pieguyn

, Ghostly Penguin, Espeonage, zMuffinMan
VoidedMafia (3): 1baldeagle1, ProHawk, Nero Cain
Nero Cain (1): Lord Mhork
uʍop ǝpısdn (1): VoidedMafia

Not Voting (2):

PeregrineV

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KingdomAces

just looking at it I immediately see Garuda/BB/uwop as possible scumspects. interesting how it happens to match some of my scumreads

the votes on voided also seem interesting in retrospect. I'm seeing baldeadle/Voided bus as a possibility here. but we can't definitely say anything about this without either of their flips

also, all the scum are necessarily voting. shooting from the hip, probably 4 scum on the wagon, 1 off?

Seanald

(10): Espeonage,

KingdomAces

, Ghostly Penguin,

pieguyn

, Lord Mhork,

morph the cat

, Harakiri, ProHawk, VoidedMafia, 1baldeagle1
VoidedMafia (5): uʍop ǝpısdn, Nero Cain,

Seanald

, BBmolla,

PeregrineV

Nero Cain (2): zMuffinMan, Lost Butterfly

KingdomAces

(1): Garuda

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I fkin hate baldeagle's jump on him. it should at least ping him in some way that his major scumread was on that wagon, but all he says is

Seanald is wayyyyyyyy scummier than Voided, lol.

it just seems really opportunistic 0.0

[pieguyn]

and after thinking about it this takes me way away from zmuffin and towards here

vote: Espeonage

of all the people on both wagons: {Harakiri, Ghostly Penguin, Espeonage} along with zmuffin who was in spirit on the seanald wagon, Espeonage seems the most suspicious. if he's scum, he's right hand since the counterwagon was left hand scum DoctorPepper

I also don't like Espeonage's push on the Seanald wagon. the way uwop called him on it looked kind of legitimate, but I don't think this is alignment indicative, especially bc multiball

[pieguyn]

baldeagle's jump also matches the idea of him x voided cross bus and then him needing a way onto the wagon, rather than continuing to bus his partner

[pieguyn]

town
5. pieguyn (replaces guille2015)
6. Lost Butterfly (a hydra of Faraday and Mina)
12. Harakiri (a hydra of Natirasha and Sakura Hana)
17. Lord Mhork

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1. VoidedMafia*
11. Ghostly Penguin (a hydra of Ghostlin and penguin_alien) (replaces Banakai)

null-scum
10. BBmolla
14. zMuffinMan
16. ProHawk

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3. Nero Cain
7. Garuda (a hydra of Empire and Nachomamma8)
13. uʍop ǝpısdn (a hydra of N and Quilford)
19. 1baldeagle1
21. Espeonage (replaces JacobSavage who replaced Klick)

that seems about right. however, looking back on it, I don't see any town intent, nor scum on town intent for baldeagle to freeze a vote on Voided, especially when he went and reconsidered his reado on him. if baldeagle is town then it's really stupid and if it's scum on town then it's such a ridiculous move that it'd be pretty much a death wish. this seems like a bus and we srsly need to look at Voided again if baldeagle flips scum

garuda and nero probably aren't aligned. with the almost absolute lack of red flips, I'd think garuda wouldn't bother calling nero out this close to LyLo. it's not impossible, but it's a fairly safe assumption we can make at this point IMO. ofc they could still be opposite scum, with the exception of below

if one of my scumreads is wrong then the last one is in null-scum somewhere. order goes prohawk > zmuffin > bbmolla. alternatively, if one is wrong and baldeagle flips scum it's probably voided

Wouldn't it be 4 since we lynched one?

^ I'm paranoid this is a scumslip and not just forgetfulness. it would explain the lack of red NKs, since thanks to PV we can be sure the two teams didn't get aligned, and I find it hard to believe none of them got killed by coincidence. perhaps there really was just one scumteam of 5 people the whole time. it'd also explain where the hell all their money seems to be coming from

who the hell are we lynching

[pieguyn]

wait nvm it says in the first post it's multiball

so much for that @_@

[pieguyn]

ok if anyone needs any more evidence as to why we should lynch Espeonage look at this shit
http://forum.mafiascum.net/search.php?a ... 8&sr=posts
alive in at least 2 other games and posting there, but not here

someone fkin sheep me for once so we can win plz

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pieguyn, question. When you replaced in, were you sent a PM with all your predecessor's actions?

guille made a QT and all the actions were in there. Magua just sent me a link to the QT.

[pieguyn]

I’m against a mass claim unless I get a pretty good reason why we should mass claim. It just seems like fishing to me. LB also needs to explain what they did with the info they already had. D1 or D2 they were asking for claims and said they’d explain later so they can either explain or link me to where they already explained.

Relevant.

I think we should massclaim because we're a day away from LYLO, traditional scumhunting is failing us, and everyone knows where the power roles are concentrated, anyway. And I think in a set-up this complex, at least one person is guaranteed to mess up their claim somewhere. My

only

best skill as a scumhunter is catching people in role contradictions and scumslips. And that's leaving aside roles like Market Analyst or Coroner that could do all sorts of delicious things with the results.

Oddly, though, I think I

like

Nero's refusal to massclaim. This probably makes me a terrible person.

On that note, Voided, Nero, Espeonage, and ProHawk, who did you send money last night? And ProHawk, who did you send money on N3?

^ this

plus I'm dying tonight so I might as well out everything anyway

[pieguyn]

And that, I feel is where scum are nailing us, in the night game.

no scum is nailing us because we've only lynched 1 scum out of 6 and we've lynched 3 townies in a row

this just seems like scum trying to widen the lynch pool to give themselves more possibilities for mislynches

we need to start fucking lynching scum and we're starting with you

[pieguyn]

*2 townies in a row
3 total and it'll be 3 in a row if we keep fucking around like this > <

[pieguyn]

in case you forgot, I wanted to quicklynch your predecessor on D2. then I started playing like shit on D3/D4 and forgot all about it

also I hate your response. you're not even trying to refute what I've said about you and you're instead trying to redirect me onto others by pointing that I was suspecting others today. and plus, where'd you get the idea that I'm intent on your lynch? I've been acting like this towards uwop and zmuffin too, but I obv moved onto others after questioning them.

my other options haven't disappeared, but after that post I'm not so sure if I wanna take any other options ~

[pieguyn]

we need to lynch this today. not at MYLO/LYLO, immediately. even though I'm relatively sure, I'm not quite as sure about him as I am of uwop, but doing this today will give us the most information for MYLO tomorrow. I don't want to have to make a really tough decision somewhere down the road and leave everyone open for large possibility for error.

and that doesn't seem adamant to you? it's pretty much the same thing 0.0

[pieguyn]

I don't see what that has to do with anything

[pieguyn]

my point is that I was adamant about lynching zmuffin. but then I moved onto you. the "more recent" BS has nothing to do with anything because AT THE TIME I was voting zmuffin, I was, similarly to here, adamant about lynching him.

however when I accused you, you, on the other hand, assumed I wasn't going to move off of you. because when I accused you, you knew I was on the right path all along

game set match~

[pieguyn]

if you put up a good argument, yeah

suppose you're a townie and you have no fkin idea who the scum are

when pushing anyone, you don't know if they're scum or not. thus, you have a good chance of moving off someone even if they're scum

however, you knew I was on the right path from the start, leading you to the stance you provided. aka you're scum

this is the sound of scum that slipped

[pieguyn]

is that really all you have to say

[pieguyn]

@Voided: v

@Pie: I'm interested that you seem so intent on my lynch for a read that started today. As I recall from when I read your posts, you did have other options you were willing to follow. Have those disappeared?

she starts asking if my other options disappeared. it seems like she was scared I wouldn't move off her. and then she started going off on all these weird tangents that I don't get how they had to do with this. and then all she said after all this was "right" and I srsly can't see why anyone would make a post like that as town @_@

it widens the lynch pool since we don't have enough mislynches to spend on every single person who did bad things with their actions. it seems like an easy way to line up lynches

[pieguyn]

I agree it was lazy, but I don't get wtf was up with Esp's reaction

help me make sense out of it plz

[pieguyn]

mostly this post
v

Right...

but I still don't get the rest of it

[pieguyn]

like do you think what voided said is possible? he was focusing so much on whether I would move off him, and not disproving my reasons for voting him. that seems like scum intent

[pieguyn]

here's the tl;dr of it
1. klick
2. you've been on both Seanald and that terrible KA wagon iirc
3. none of your posts have made me question the read from klick

my lazy as hell push on you was to see your reaction and I can't make any sense out of it > <

[pieguyn]

feeling lazy as fuck about this game atm T_T

I'm gonna see if I can make some cases against some of my scumreads

[pieguyn]

I talk A LOT with Faraday, but mostly on AIM. But for this game, I've been asking Magua five zillion questions about every single role interaction in the hydra QT.

If you asked Magua a zillion questions about every single role interaction, why did you wonder why I wanted the neighborizer to claim?

QFT.

VOTE: Lost Butterfly

P-Edit: Mhork, explain.

this seems opportunistic. neighborizer linking up mafia teams doesn't really seem like a role interaction

VOTE: Pyrotechnics

Anyone with the following abilities should claim right away: Deadline, Hitman, Investigative Immune, Nightkill. I'd want Extra Vote and Vote Freezer to claim, too.

We got Investigation Immune! I can't believe it was so cheap. We even bid $80 on it to keep it out of scum's hands.

Got an ability that helps scum (aka you?) Nice job! Congrats!

he didn't point this out as suspicious immediately. in fact he claimed vote freezer. it only became suspicious when there was a wagon on LB. this again seems opportunistic

Mhork gained some townpoints after that post. Voided ignored my question about his so called townread on LB. Tbh, I'm starting to believe that Voided is just WKing LB, so when we lynch LB, he flips town and Voided gets some towncred. I have past experiences with scum WKing me, so there's that. If anyone wants to see the game where there was a whole bunch of WKing going on by scum (I was town in that game and I lost). It's Newbie 1414 on my wiki.

here's where the whole voided vs eagle started. reason seems pretty weak. bussing tends to happen with weak reasons or reaching, supporting voided x eagle cross bus

ProHawk wagon is stupid. (Sure enough, Voided gets on it to save himself, like he did with Hermy yesterday.)

the way he did it, it's not alignment indicative

morph, I feel like this is taking too long, do you really need 6 town reads from every single person? Once we get all of the townreads in, what do we do with them?

peregrine, why did you bid on Neighbourizer?

Isn't the answer obvious?

ugh I don't like this post

My conclusion with the VCA is that Voided has been coasting through the game by just staying on some random wagon then he quietly hops on the lynching wagon. Also, VCA is where you look at the vote counts only, Voided, in case you didn't know that. The other thing is, if I'm scum, then why aren't you voting for me? You seem too cautious to look scummy by voting me.
Also, Voided and upside down, your discredit has been noted.

another bad reason

Ok, hammering.

VOTE: Seanald

My conclusion with the VCA is that Voided has been coasting through the game by just staying on some random wagon then he quietly hops on the lynching wagon. Also, VCA is where you look at the vote counts only, Voided, in case you didn't know that. The other thing is, if I'm scum, then why aren't you voting for me? You seem too cautious to look scummy by voting me.
Also, Voided and upside down, your discredit has been noted.

accuses voided of staying on some random wagon then hopping on the lynching wagon
does the same thing

Let's do Voided.

Also, I'm gonna freeze ProHawk's vote on Voided, because I really really think Voided is scum and we are not going to let him evade another lynch.

Uwop is a bit scummy too, but I prefer Voided greatly.

awkward timing

Wrt upsides vote on pie

Because chainsaw defense on muffin.

Guys, we should be voting Voided. Voided is just disregarding me for a stupid player whenever I try to attack him, so he's discrediting me. Also, Voided was pissed that I froze a vote on him, LOL.

last sentence is fake as fuck

I said it already, but I can say it again. It did not feel natural to me, it smelled of scum desperately trying to lynch a universal townread. Also, I know I shouldn't be making this an alignment indicative thing, but I can't help but notice that uwop goes inactive soon as there is a wagon on him.

Muffin is null-town for me.

Why are we all scumreading uwop, but not lynching him?

seems like trying to force a mislynch. not many people besidse me were scumreading uwop. also fits with the idea of voided bus cause he seems entirely set on Voided, but then switches over to uwop almost as soon as the possibility arises.

[pieguyn]

tl;dr:
1. opportunistic as fuck
2. massive tunnel on Voided for bad reasons is making me think cross bus
3. tone and timing certain posts seemed off

there's also an apparent lack of actual content in his ISO. a lot of his posts are just talking about current reads and seem derived from the current reads at that time. there's a lack of pushes against people except for voided. i'm pretty sure he's scum
vote: baldeagle

[pieguyn]

shit

vote: baldeagle

[pieguyn]

that's not my intent, but I'm not sure about nero and I wanna at least explore other options

nero seems like he could very easily be a mislynch and I wanna be careul

[pieguyn]

not to mention 6 days is hardly close to deadline

[pieguyn]

he could be, but I'm feeling slightly better about him after his recent posts. I want to be really careful and not leave any option unchecked.

I really can't think hard enough to make a wall case on Garuda right now

1. My reasoning on Voided was solid, because of the way Voided was WKing LB, you do realize that is a thing right? I had bad experiences of WKing, so I was paranoid of it.
2. Vote Freezer isn't necessarily scummy, it can stop people from hopping from one wagon to another.
3. I'm scum for awkward timing? That is weak as shit.
4. Explain how the sentence was "fake"

1. yeah but this formed the base for a scumread you carried on him throughout the whole game. you hardly ever added any legitimate reasons to said case, but were still claiming he was scummy throughout the whole game.
2. the way you used it was very anti-town. it accomplished nothing beyond furthering your own push on voided, nor did it do anything to convince others why your push on voided was correct.
3. it's relatively weak, but better than leaving it out entirely IMO
4. the "LOL" at the end did it for me. also, I don't think voided being pissed off at you is a scumtell, but you tried to paint him as scummy with a false reason.

[pieguyn]

uuu your reaction was so weak
"oh hey I see you made a case on me"
obv you weren't trying to hide your reaction, since you posted that sentence. but this is a weird as hell reaction for town to have. you're too damn.. calm. I don't buy it

[pieguyn]

I think you accused him of making pointless posts when you did the same thing

I also think a lot of the stuff you pointed out is just him being lazy. I can't deny the possibility of him being scum but it seems likely he could be a mislynch, so I don't want on that wagon yet.

1. is that referring to voided, or are you saying I'm discrediting? 0.0 if the latter, explain plz
2. there's no reason to do that. if I got vote freezer I'd try to freeze a scum vote on another scum or smth like that. your use of it wasn't town motivated.
4. no. it could also be: town is mad cause of someone who's blatantly tunneling him all game, town is mad because he's about to be lynched, etc. plus I disagree that he was about to be lynched in the first place. false logic such as this makes me think you're not considering all possibilities, since you know who the scum on your team are already.

What kind of reaction were you looking for? Me raging in all caps?

why should I tell you what I'm looking for? so you can emulate it when I do the same thing later?

needless to say, yours wasn't it. why do you feel the need to say this when you already explained what the reaction was about?

[pieguyn]

Also, why are you considering about the fact that BBMolla might be a mislynch, where you are very sure that I'm scum if you said that Molla has been doing the same thing as me. I don't understand the logic.

cause I think molla is probably just lazy. I don't get that impression from you, however.

1. I'm pretty sure you were discrediting him too. just off the top o my head, that sentence that I said was fake as fuck.
2. what does this mean?
4. yeah and the fact that you painted it as scummy is, in itself, scummy. it's an all too easy way to line up a lynch.

also I hate your backdown here. as soon as I call you asking about my reaction scummy, you, rather than defeating my points, try to pass it off like it wasn't a big deal. why back down here? if you're town, clearly you and I had different ideas about reactions and we could work smth out. thus, IMO the fact that you backed down immediately implies you don't wanna raise suspicion by arguing with me. the explaining the read twice shares a similar defensive attitude.

[pieguyn]

Oh, that's nice. Molla gets the lazy card.

1. Eh, not really, Voided was discrediting more.
2. "Wow, baldeagle really wants Voided lynched, maybe we should do that."
4. It was scummy to me, Voided is getting pissed over one frozen vote

Backdown? I don't really care about the reaction thing, I was just curious about it. There's really nothing to argue here.

1. so it's not suspicious because voided was doing it more ok. that's one hell of a shitty argument you have there
2. so your vote freeze was to express how much you wanted voided lynched?
4. already covered that

[pieguyn]

including that we had doctor and were protecting him last night. I'm sort of worried that pv may have passed that on to garuda, but it could just mean that scum have Strongman.

zdenek/KA had hitman, so this is impossible

what
the
hell

0.0

[pieguyn]

oh fuck

[pieguyn]

The only thing stopping me from voting them right now are two strong towntells in their favour (Banakai's claimed advertisements and Ghostlin's rants upon replacing in).

do you think Ghostlin can't fake said rants?

if he's faking, it would explain his lack of posting. but iirc he went sidewide afk for some time so that seems incorrect

[pieguyn]

that's what I've heard too and it held true in my completed game with him/PA. I'm pretty much on the same page as you that he'd probably be scum if it weren't for his rants on replace in. however, I worry he may be faking and I wanna make sure we don't miss any possibilities > <

@Garuda:

1. why are you townreading uwop?

2. what's your read on BBmolla?

[pieguyn]

let me do this first

@Voided:

did you transfer to me or Garuda on N4?

[pieguyn]

*N3

[pieguyn]

Part burden of proficiency and hearing horror stories about his scum play, part PoE, part that some stuff he's done has triggered bells.

I've heard similar stories. if it makes you any feel better about his scum play, we in touhou would have won against scum-him if we had any way of knowing the game was LYLO a day earlier than it was supposed to be o/

Hey, penguin_alien. I know you've been posting everywhere onsite except for this game

so I'm not the only one who was thinking this ok

did you notice Esp was doing the same thing? o.o

LB get the fuck out of my head @_@ I was literally thinking about that same shit and how it made me stop scumreading him (for now). it makes so much sense that if he planned this shit out as scum I'm going to feel outright trolled and pissed off >_<

[pieguyn]

2. so your vote freeze was to express how much you wanted voided lynched?

2. I said that.

Let's do Voided.

Also, I'm gonna freeze ProHawk's vote on Voided, because I really really think Voided is scum

and we are not going to let him evade another lynch

.

Uwop is a bit scummy too, but I prefer Voided greatly.

I thought you used it to stop him from evading another lynch

you're not getting out of this one :>

[pieguyn]

my point is that when you used vote freeze your intent was to stop voided from evading another lynch

however, when pressured, you said your intent was to show how much you wanted voided lynched, and said nothing about evading lynches

[pieguyn]

not really

[pieguyn]

no you explicitly said you were using it to stop him from evading another lynch

[pieguyn]

@Lost Butterfly:

all my money adds up then. I received a weird amount on N4, but KA was the only one who transferred to me N3 and he flipped town already so it doesn't matter

[pieguyn]

I have no idea

you are all mafia

fking game > <

[pieguyn]

I stand prodded

have to go now content in a few hrs

[pieguyn]

I have a bad feeling about this

it seems too controlled. I have a feeling I'm walking into a trap

[pieguyn]

town
5. pieguyn (replaces guille2015)
6. Lost Butterfly (a hydra of Faraday and Mina)
12. Harakiri (a hydra of Natirasha and Sakura Hana)
17. Lord Mhork

probably town
1. VoidedMafia
11. Ghostly Penguin (a hydra of Ghostlin and penguin_alien) (replaces Banakai)
14. zMuffinMan

3. Nero Cain
7. Garuda (a hydra of Empire and Nachomamma8)
10. BBmolla
13. uʍop ǝpısdn (a hydra of N and Quilford)
16. ProHawk
19. 1baldeagle1
21. Espeonage (replaces JacobSavage who replaced Klick)

if I could just get one more fucking townread I'd feel somewhat comfortable with this
not that it matters since I'm probably wrong anyway so fuck it

vote: Nero

if he's town I'm gonna be fucking pissed = =

[pieguyn]

what the fuck

[pieguyn]

what the fuck is going on
I don't even

[pieguyn]

what the fuck is going on
I don't even

Unless someone wants to fess up to governing Nero, there are two possible explanations, one of which is far more likely than the other.

is Nero scum one of them

I literally can't think right now sry

[pieguyn]

I love how my best thoughts come when I basically just say "fuck it" and do smth

so how do you like the chance of a Nero x zmuffin cross bus? /paranoia

[pieguyn]

vote: eagle

[pieguyn]

zmuffin why prohawk

prohawk why harakiri

[pieguyn]

inb4 prohawk, nero, baldeagle scumteam of the year