Marketplace Mafia III - Game Over

[Harakiri]

Well that's quite a lot of pages... Imma be reading for the time being guess we missed RVS?

[Harakiri]

Well, I assumed neighborizer wasn't popular, so we advertised it and went all-in on getting it. Sadly, 90 was not enough. Who would have thought Neighborizer so popular...

And I don't care if we be past it, VOTE: Harakiri on principle.

[Harakiri]

Eagle's good enough to fake that.

I don't think he did though. Likely town IMO.

Looking at others at the moment. Not trying too hard though, XY are consuming my soul.

[Harakiri]

Well done reading (And I noticed my other head already posted here too).

For now i got a strong townread on pyro, leaning town on muffin, and leaning scum on bald, voided and butterfly. Gonna talk with my other head for the time being.

Oh btw, do remember that people could have as easily offered 150 or 200 as their maximum bid for those, but they'd show up as 101 which is 1 over the second highest, it does make me wonder about the 103 and 104 ones since for that, 2nd highest would've need to be over 100.

[Harakiri]

And how do you know that anyone who's town would have more than $100 N0?

I don't, I just mentioned people in general, pyro's the one who said town people have $100 starting money. Why the misrep?

[Harakiri]

Wow, this is pretty scummy.

How?

[Harakiri]

You should probably vote me for avoiding your questions, tammy

You're avoiding my question too you know

Unvote
Vote: Butterfly

[Harakiri]

It doesn't, though the post I quoted looks like whiteknighting to me.

"Being good enough to fake that" Makes me think more like that cant be trusted as a towntell, which is like completely opposite to WKing?

[Harakiri]

Unvote
Vote: VoidedMafia

Nacho knows why.

[Harakiri]

Actually more than a single person will understand it, the "Nacho knows why" Is a reference to how I always sheep Nacho on D1.

[Harakiri]

Actually more than a single person will understand it, the "Nacho knows why" Is a reference to how I always sheep Nacho on D1.

that seems like a poor strategy

Why? Nacho has shown me that he's pretty good at catching scum D1, seems to me like I have good reasons to sheep him.

Even if that was Empire's vote, the hydra has Nacho on it, and if Nacho feels differently he will change and so will I, unless my other head disagrees with Nacho for some reason.

P-Edit: Why would I flake? But if anything this head (Sakura) has way less chance of posting during weekdays because logging into another account at work = too annoying.

[Harakiri]

This was awkward. Why didn't you just vote for yourself in your first post?

The first post was made by me, and the other post was made by Nati.

Also Operation sheep Nacho go!

Unvote
Vote: Mhork

[Harakiri]

Like Mhurk Wagon, don't like Voided wagon. Mainly focused on sorting Cabd/ffery, Nacho/Empire, and Zmuffin right now.

I'm half paying attention to the thread--letting Sakura handle it until Pokemon Fever dies down.

[Harakiri]

Hi LostButterfly!

Read context clues better to figure out how to read this hydra's head!

Here's a secret: only one of us two is actively playing Pokemon right now.

[Harakiri]

Um...

Have...you guys...been talking about the game...

...

at all

?

*twitch*

I don't suppose you could ask Head Who's Not Playing Pokemon (Sakura?) to respond to my last post and explain the progression of her reads, please? Also, are the self-vote and the post about morph, Muffin, and Zdenek the only one you (Nati?) have made? Why do you want to focus on those three players in particular?

Not since the day started. Mostly my fault-Sakura's been posting in the QT. Weekends are hard for me sometimes. Zdenek isn't in the game, I assume you mean nacho/Empire. But those three are the three I know the best and I feel my current role is to resolve to myself that I could trust them.

Truthfully, I was really hoping to buy Neighborizer tonight to start building my townblock. It's probably for the best, though, I haven't thought one iota about tactics in this game.

Mhurk vs voided is mostly due to Mhurk's defensiveness vs voided's actual logic. The $3 doublevote also points towards town to me, just don't think coordinated scum would do that this early.

Oh, upsidedown's vote is bad obv, but I don't particularly contest it at this moment.

[Harakiri]

We advertized Neighborizer and Bid on Neighborizer btw, we got nothing tho.

@Ffery: Nat is enjoying Pokemon because he trusts me I guess even tho I spent all night playing Terraria

[Harakiri]

We advertized Neighborizer and Bid on Neighborizer btw, we got nothing tho.

@Ffery: Nat is enjoying Pokemon because he trusts me I guess even tho I spent all night playing Terraria

Is Nati unaware of the deadline change?

Not sure, I'll tell him in the QT anyway.

[Harakiri]

he trusts you to blindly sheep nacho?

I trust her not to act stupid. For as use

ful

less as I've been this game, trusting Nacho to be her hydra partner-in-spirit is better than me right now.

I'm stunned.

I'm not emotionally stable enough to handle this game at the moment. For that, I apologize. I'm going to hide til day two and start anew--hopefully the maelstrom in my mind has quelled somewhat by that point.

@Nford: We put 10 down advertising Neighborizer, 90 on actually buying it.

[Harakiri]

Not relevant with the pace of this game, you know that mhork. And maybe I shoulda been like the others and simply not posted anything. I'm in it to win it, but I ain't fucking reading the whole thread when it's generating 3 pages an hour. Like I said at that point go fuck selves.

So I'll opt to continue interjecting my self awkwardly into the game racking up some votes along the way, blah blah.

Now is there any kind of strategy we are trying to follow here like we did in marketplace 2?

But you clearly are reading enough to notice the vote on you

Unvote
Vote: Seanald

[Harakiri]

I'm going to trust Nacho/Empire for the time being

Unvote
Vote: Hermy

Besides iirc this guy self-voted during LyLo as town.

[Harakiri]

As I said I usually sheep him D1, after D1 he's usually the first person to get NK'd, if he's still alive D2 is when I then try to figure out his alignment while analyzing his logic.

[Harakiri]

If you usually sheep Nacho, what do you do in a game without Nacho?

In those games I don't sheep Nacho D1.

[Harakiri]

Umm, lets see, maybe because every single Sakura-town I have seen hasn't self-voted? But really, aside from that, its dumb, usually done as a joke, and is indicative of a loose cannon.

So, I was content to just ignore this game til day two, but ProHawk, you do know who the other head is here, right? You've played enough games with me that to even bring this self-vote thing up as a case is actually

scummy

complete fucking bullshit.

[[Lurking Intensifies]]

[Harakiri]

I'll let Nat decide on what to advertise for tonight, *me pokes him on hydra QT*

[Harakiri]

Sakura asked me to come in here and build us a plan, so I am.

We're likely advertising Market Analyst so I can attack the game from a cash angle.

[Harakiri]

Just a reminder that Prohawk's clearly been here this morning, knew the deadline was today and is attempting to forcing a no lynch by not voting for the only viable wagon.

[Harakiri]

that self vote RVS nonsense was just stupid.

Nat does that every single game from what I know.

Saying that "Eagle was good enough to fake that" is scummy. Reading it again, its not WKing at all, its just a lil' pressure point post.

I don't know where Nat got that idea as you can see I disagreed with him in the next post.

And then calls Bald town but in their next post he's leaning scum.

You did read that both posts were made by different heads right?

Blindly sheeping Nacho.

I've always done that and I can show games to support why and how I've done that.

The playing pokemon thing reminds me of how Andy would say he's playing LOL as scum.

Pokemon XY just came out, so it's not surprising Nat is hooked on it.

Contradicts themselves on why they advertised for neighborizor. First it was 'cause it was unpopular and then they wanted it to start a town bloc. And I don't even know how neighborizor would help form a town bloc.

How is that a contradiction

[Harakiri]

that self vote RVS nonsense was just stupid.

Saying that "Eagle was good enough to fake that" is scummy. Reading it again, its not WKing at all, its just a lil' pressure point post.

And then calls Bald town but in their next post he's leaning scum.

Blindly sheeping Nacho.

The playing pokemon thing reminds me of how Andy would say he's playing LOL as scum.

Contradicts themselves on why they advertised for neighborizor. First it was 'cause it was unpopular and then they wanted it to start a town bloc. And I don't even know how neighborizor would help form a town bloc.

In order.

-Sakura did the first post, I did the post that actually self-voted.
-Me, not paying much attention
-Sakura
-Sheep Nacho is a thing. Especially when your hydra partner is literally refusing to play.
-Okay. Pokemon's over now, though, beat the game for the most part.
-I didn't think neighborizer would be popular(didn't read old games), and I was hoping to create a town block--we have quite a few hydras that I'm familiar with(Pyrotech, Garuda, Morph, LostButterfly to a lesser degree) and would be good if we could get 4-man neighborhoods together to work this out. Hydras are broken in neighborhoods.

PEDIT: Lol Sakura's ninjaing me.It's okay, still posting that.

[Harakiri]

Also less than 1 hour until deadline, someone not voting Hermy needs to vote Hermy ASAP or risk No Lynch...

[Harakiri]

My theory is that they are stacking up the night kills to use them all later, or the night kill was won by town on N0.

vote: Prohawk

[Harakiri]

Speaking of which, we advertized Market Analyst last night like we said we would.

[Harakiri]

As a bonus, we advertised Self-Watch too!

[Harakiri]

Because Prohawk's reasons for voting us were terrible and he had the opportunity to hammer before deadline but didn't take it.

[Harakiri]

prohawk's reasons were terrible

You guys are hilarious.

What's your fucking problem, Prohawk? I've played with you on multiple occasions now--you should know my self-voting is a null tell, I did it in Cash Cabd as scum and I did it in Xenologue as town. But, its not just that--youve hydra'd with Cabd in games vs me, and we all know he likes to brag about his Big Book of Meta. You SHOULD know better than to bring up such 'scum tells'. But, whatever, let's just assume you've never played with me before or somehow missed my history of self voting.

RE: Excuses. I was very clearly not interested in this game. It opened during the weekend, Pokemon had just come out(a fact that effected EVERY game I was in BTW), I had a major college assignment due. This game was a casualty. I can't really argue this point more than that, but if you want to call it beatlejeucing or whatever go right the fuck on bro--past experience with my games should show that I don't use real life as an excuse to get out of contribution except when its actually legit. In any case, I intend to be a major player in this game moving forward so fuck your shit.

RE: sheeping. Sakura had a few posts in our hydra QTasking me to contribute. I didnt. I was a terrible hydra partner yesterday. Not only that, but the game moved fast and we had a deadline cut short. I probably would have been lost too if I was alone!

RE: Your not hammering. There is no way you knew beyond a shadow of a doubt Hermy's alignment unless you are scum. Are you seriously advocating a no lynch day one of a large game?

Moreover, I have not seen you this standoffish before. In both previous games we've shared, you've been aggressive, yes, but also reasonable. You've acted completely unreasonable in this game since minute one.

@Muffin: Nero is just a run of the mill idiot, I know Prohawk is better than to use such shitty reasoning.

[Harakiri]

Speaking of which, we advertized Market Analyst last night like we said we would.

Are you worried people would have doubted you?

Are you seriously pushing this as a scum tell?

[Harakiri]

I haven't gotten that far, muffin. I fully admit I've not read most of day one. Once Prohawk jumped us at the end of yesterday, I kinda tunneled into that.

[Harakiri]

Uh... no we haven't?

Just because the game hasn't finished doesn't mean it doesn't exist.

If my points are so hilariously dumb/meaningless, why do they have your panties in a bunch?

What is this? Are you seriously suggesting that I should ignore a case presented on us? Especially one based on such faulty reasoning?

[Harakiri]

Re: 927.

None of those seem to indicate you thought they were obvtown, just obvnewbie, the last one says you didnt think they were scum, but that's as good as saying they are null.

~Sakura Hana

[Harakiri]

Yeah, because I expect better from you, Prohawk.

[Harakiri]

Alright, so I have another scum read now.

[Harakiri]

I'm probably going to regret this, but yeah I'm going to disagree with Nat, I dont really think prohawk is scum

Unvote

He had terrible reasons for pushing us? Yes, but he also had terrible reasons for pushing me in xenologue (from what i remember at least)

[Harakiri]

Morph, would one of you mind posting a link to a

completed town game

of your hydra? Just one of your choice.

Sorry but i couldnt help but laugh

[Harakiri]

Wtf is with you people.

I pass out and wake up to four pages.

And its all shit flinging useless words.

Fferyllt's not acting natural--actually have half a mind to think its cabd pretending to be ffery. But Tammy/Syr isn't either. I hate everyone talking except Nford.

I'm going to be quite frank, I was planning to make an effort today. But, truthfully, I don't want anything to possibly do with this game. It so inbred and hatefilled I'm not having a lick of fun even reading it. I'm not abandoning my hydra partner, though, so I'm stuck here. No one wants to have fun all just bitchbitchbitch, ugh. Actually giving me a headache more so than I already have.

I'm probably going to regret this post when I come down off the vicodin high but whatever. Y'all can burn in hell. When you guys finish "sorting each other out"(a phrase that needs to die) come get me so we can actually play this game and kill people.

PEdit: Jesus Christ I've tried to submit three times and there's like seven more posts each time.

[Harakiri]

I bet Cabd is hating his life so much right now.

Actually I was out to dinner (well, midnight snack really but whatever) but now it's just /popcorn.

All the fire and brimstone's gone to me.

[Harakiri]

please stop

1110 is the only post in the last 4 pages i enjoyed reading

Muffin

My shining knight in the darkness.

Hold me.

[Harakiri]

Town v town v town v ?

[Harakiri]

WRONG. In regards to which head said that, at least.

[Harakiri]

Post 1134

[Harakiri]

I hate everyone talking except Nford.

???

is my voice soothing

You are actually being reasonable.

[Harakiri]

I mean I figured he'd probably flip town, but he also was an easy target with definite scum on the wagon.

If this is true why didn't you use Medium on him?

[Harakiri]

Prodded, Reading.

Tho lately my other head seems kind of de-attached from the game and it's quite a hassle to switch accounts while at work, will discuss further with him.

[Harakiri]

Tho lately my other head seems kind of de-attached from the game and it's quite a hassle to switch accounts while at work, will discuss further with him.

Banakai and I are on the same page--trust me, if i didn't have a reputation to uphold, I would willingly excise all information about this game from my mind and forget it ever happened.

Anyways, I fully read the past five pages and I can say I didn't read the last five pages, so I'm going to lay it down to Morph/LB/Nford/Pyro(Mhurk/Garuda/voided to a lesser degree).

You people have gotten nowhere today. Not anywhere. Nothing. Zilch. Look at the posts by everyone who is NOT you people. It's a series of prod dodges and complaining about the content you are spewing.

There is a reason for this

. I actually find myself agreeing with ProHawk right now when he said

I am concerned with the amount of noise going on between the big hitters of the thread and a bunch of what I consider to be flawed scum-hunting, which is based largely on personality-tells or meta.

I should not be agreeing with my scumreads about the outlook of a game.

But, likewise, I'm not convinced -any- of you are scum, despite a statistical analysis likely saying there is scum within you. Anyways, even so, what you guys have managed to do is

completely anti-town

. This is a game that punishes us for sitting on our asses til deadline--and guess the fuck what? You've nearly ensured this outcome by driving every single other fucking person away.

You are gifting scum the night phase on a silver platter

. I mean, yes, we have to discuss, but part of what won the previous iteration of this game was successful use of the night phase. It's clear the outcomes of n0 and n1 have already put us at a disadvantage: don't let it spiral out of control.

At the moment, if you guys notice, only one fucker has actually been scumhunting: my Lord and Savior, zmuffinman. I will likely join him in killing Nero soon.

[Harakiri]

And since me and Sakura are apparently so in-sync that no one can differentiate our posts, 1402 was Sakura and 1408 is Natirasha. I'll make an effort to sign from this point forward.

[Harakiri]

RE: ?ffery: This is a game that absolutely completely punishes talking to a huge fucking degree. If you want an actual example of how to scumhunt in this game, PV is playing out of his goddamn mind right now and, quite frankly, I find it suspect that people are discounting his points so easily--as divided a town as we are right now, Austerity Measures has the ability to

completely blow out the game

. We are already disadvantaged due to day one and our inability to build a to decide on a course of action, and I have a sneaking suspicion that the scum are actually overpowered via overcompensation from last game.

As previously mentioned, Muffin is doing a good job too.

RE: voided: sorry you feel that way.

On the whole, I want to make money to salvage the night phase as best we can. Let's lynch hard and fast

[Harakiri]

Yes, that was ffery. Thanks for the perspective on Peregrine. He's worried me. I mentioned to Cabd last night that his focus on set-up spec and mechanics almost to the exclusion of reads reminded me a little of his first/last day play in Paradox.

The main difference between PxP and here is that Peregrine's actually playing the game and pushing stuff--he wasn't really there. On day 1/2, he pretty much just fell off the face of the map and let Desperado self-destruct.

Yeah I like muffin. I go through occasional moments of freak-out but overall, I like him.

My only worry is that muffin was able to fool me completely in Death's Diner--even after I was given the complete role list, I kept having to check back to make sure I wasn't missing something, he came off so town.

Then why aren't you voting?

Sakura asked me to hold off on voting Nero.

Cabd's going to write it up and post it later, but we want to quicklynch the fuck out of Klick.

Completely willing to do that.

scum: Voided, Harakiri, Mhork, Klick

Just curious, but how did we end up in that pile? Purely based on Sakura?

PEDIT: peregrine strikes again! We can worry about muffin later, though, bro.

[Harakiri]

Vote: Seanald

Terrible reply, voting first, asking my other head later

~Sakura Hana

[Harakiri]

I had negative value to the scumteam once the two town players from lylo flipped.

I mean on day one when it was you v Desp. You stayed way under the radar.

And you have already stated the reason leaving him around is dangerous.

I understand your thinking, but the thing is muffin, if town, is also a huge benefit to the town and I don't want to lynch him when we have much better candidates on the table.

Both Love potion and Vote Freezer are extremely pro-town and it would make it harder for scum to mislynch. I'll go into a longer explanation later if need be and repond to some other stuff when I get back home.

Oh, I

can't wait

to hear this.

controlling the money controls the game dude. why wouldn't i get that ability.

I don't think so, keeping the games money as close to zero sounds pretty useful. I'd like to believe in towns ability to outplay scum in thread play rather than through night actions.

No.

No.

The average skill level in this game is higher than average, for one, so scum is more likely to be competent.

Moreover, this is bad.

You cannot completely give up half the game to the other team and expect to win

. Scum have a lot of catchup mechanics for cash, we don't. Removing $100 from each of our wallets hurts the town a metric fuckton more than scum--scum can easily pool money, scum can plan around the use of the ability. Scum naturally will have more money than the town. Town does not have that ability.You

cannot

ignore the main mechanic of a game and expect to win. To do so is, like, empirically wrong. Ugh! The fact you even espouse such an opinion hurts.

FFERY! CABD! NACHO! Let's make some money!

[Harakiri]

Hi. Thanks for the obvtown claim.

This post is giving me some weird feelings from mismatched, Nacho talk to me.

~Sakura Hana

[Harakiri]

Awwww, how cute, I managed to make sakura paranoid. Tell the other head he still owes me a setup spec dance.

Yeah, I'm here. I'm always up for a dance. First, some fitting music.

Spoiler: And here's the Mafia Role PMs from MMII

The free market is fine, but it’s so...inefficient. A shame, really, but from that insight you quickly realized that with the help of a few others who shared your views that this is a turning point, a time of opportunity. Control of the marketplace can lead to all of your dreams coming true; given such a reward, it’s obvious that you’ll do anything to eliminate the competition -- permanently.

You are a Mafia (Left Hand) Member.

Nest Egg: You start the game with $150.
Wage: At the end of every Day, you will receive $100.
Efficiency Bonus: You do not receive an efficiency bonus.
Mafia Bonus: At the end of every Day, $100 is split evenly amongst the living members of your team (any fractions are lost).

Money (P): Each Night, you may spend any or all of your money on the following activities:
Bid: Bid on abilities being auctioned off in the marketplace. Described in Section III.
Invest: The following Night, you will receive 140% (round down) of what you invested (note that this is different from the Entrepreneur’s investment rate).
Transfer: Choose another player. If that player is on your team, they will immediately receive 95% (round down) of what you transferred. Otherwise, they will receive it the following Night (note that this is different from the Entrepreneur’s Transfer).
Advertise: Influence what abilities will be auctioned off in the marketplace the following Night. Described in Section IV.
Share: Select a single ability you possess; you may distribute some or all of your shots of this ability as you desire amongst your teammates for $51. This takes effect immediately, and they may use received shots this same Night.

Mafia Knowledge (FP): The Mafia (Left Hand) team is Guille2015, Phillammon, and MagnaofIllusion. You all received the same Role PM.

Mafia Communication (FP): You may speak with your partners in the Quicktopic here at any time.

Insider Information (FP): You know that there is another Mafia team, and that you win with them. You know that the town is not mountainous; there are town members who are not Entrepreneurs.

There Ain’t No Such Thing As A Free Lunch: You do not possess a factional Night-kill. In order to kill, you must win the Night-kill auction.

Pulled Strings (FP, 1-shot): Once during the game, one member of your team may choose an ability that has not yet won an Advertising. It will win the current or next Advertising round, regardless of any money spent on other abilities. Advertising is described in Section IV.

Fakeclaim (P): The Entrepreneur Role PM is posted in the thread. If you give me specific game mechanics, I will write the relevant PM for you incorporating those elements with proper flavor and styling.

You win with the Mafia: You win when all the players alive have the Mafia win condition, and there is at least one player alive.

The free market is fine, but it’s so...inefficient. A shame, really, but from that insight you quickly realized that with the help of a few others who shared your views that this is a turning point, a time of opportunity. Control of the marketplace can lead to all of your dreams coming true; given such a reward, it’s obvious that you’ll do anything to eliminate the competition -- permanently.

You are a Mafia (Right Hand) Member.

Nest Egg: You start the game with $150.
Wage: At the end of every Day, you will receive $100.
Efficiency Bonus: You do not receive an efficiency bonus.
Mafia Bonus: At the end of every Day, $100 is split evenly amongst the living members of your team (any fractions are lost).

Money (P): Each Night, you may spend any or all of your money on the following activities:
Bid: Bid on abilities being auctioned off in the marketplace. Described in Section III.
Invest: The following Night, you will receive 140% (round down) of what you invested (note that this is different from the Entrepreneur’s investment rate).
Transfer: Choose another player. If that player is on your team, they will immediately receive 95% (round down) of what you transferred. Otherwise, they will receive it the following Night (note that this is different from the Entrepreneur’s Transfer).
Advertise: Influence what abilities will be auctioned off in the marketplace the following Night. Described in Section IV.
Share: Select a single ability you possess; you may distribute some or all of your shots of this ability as you desire amongst your teammates for $51. This takes effect immediately, and they may use received shots this same Night.

Mafia Knowledge (FP): The Mafia (Right Hand) team is GreyICE, Pitty, and Seanald. You all received the same Role PM.

Mafia Communication (FP): You may speak with your partners in the Quicktopic here at any time.

Insider Information (FP): You know that there is another Mafia team, and that you win with them. You know that the town is not mountainous; there are town members who are not Entrepreneurs.

There Ain’t No Such Thing As A Free Lunch: You do not possess a factional Night-kill. In order to kill, you must win the Night-kill auction.

Lockout (FP, 1-shot): Once during the game, one member of your team may choose a current auction. The auction will act as normal, but at the end of the Night it will be announced that no one has won the auction, and that the auction will re-occur during the next Night. All money bid on the auction will be refunded.

Fakeclaim (P): The Entrepreneur Role PM is posted in the thread. If you give me specific game mechanics, I will write the relevant PM for you incorporating those elements with proper flavor and styling.

You win with the Mafia: You win when all the players alive have the Mafia win condition, and there is at least one player alive.

You are a Mafia (Left Hand) Member, along with your partners [Partner names go here].

Nest Egg: You start the game with [Some amount >100].
Wage: At the end of every Day, you will receive [Given no time bonus, some value >50].
Mafia Bonus: At the end of every Day, [Some fixed amount probably, 25?].

I assume these numbers are all likely the same or very similar to the last game.

Insider Dealings: Any money you spend bidding on auctions that are listed in red is [Probably only half used or partially refunded]

This is the one I was most worried about. I assume money they spend on red auctions has a multiplier factor or that they won ties no matter what...I dunno. I don't think they have an insurmountable advantage, though.

Dirty Tricks ($$$): You have a number of dirty tricks at your disposal. Each Night, each member of your team may perform one of these (if desired); however, each Dirty Trick may only be performed once per Night. The first Dirty Trick is free; each subsequent use [some signifigant but not impossible amount]. Dirty Tricks are not treated as targeted abilities; they cannot be roleblocked, and will not appear on Tracker or Watcher reports.
•Wire Fraud: Name two players, a transferer and a transferee. Any money that the transferer would transfer to the transferee during this Night [are blocked and or given to you instead].
•Lockout: Name a target player and a current auction. Any bid made by the targeted player for that auction [will not count as a bid?].
•Countermeasures: Name a target player, a targeted ability name, and a target. If that player attempts to use that ability on that target during this same Night, [that action will fail and they will lose that action].

We're in agreement on Wire Fraud.
I think the text on Lockout is "will not count towards the auction and be drained from that player's account." However, note the Right Hand's role PM in the last game...
I think countermeasures is closer to roleblock+steal ability. All three of these abilities are there for the sake of punishing town coordination in the open--if I'd not been dumb and actually read how the second game went down pre-game, I would have put a lot more emphasis on neighborizer(my initial plan was to try to get as many hydras in a neighborhood as possible). Thankfully, Peregrine is like, town and half, so it's fine(game might actually be over if Peregrine is scum anyways).

Shell Game ($$$): At any point during the Night, you may [choose?] to transfer some or all usages of one of your abilities amongst your team as desired. They may be used by the recipients that same Night.

This appears to be a buffed version of the power from the last game. Likely has a small cost.

•Transfer: Choose another player. If that player is on your team, [there is no cost to transfer money to them]. Otherwise, [same as town role pm?, 80% goes to them probs].

They get 95% and non-teammates play by normal rules.

[Harakiri]

LOADS E MONAY

VOTE: Klick

[Harakiri]

We're very likely not advertising anything tonight, eagle.

[Harakiri]

My main worry is that I think it involves enough personal responsibility that it will ultimately fall through.

[Harakiri]

My main worry is that I think it involves enough personal responsibility that it will ultimately fall through.

Do you see a way to modify and fix?

Not unless you can fix human nature. It's still worth a try, I guess.

[Harakiri]

LB, you missed all of our advertisement claims.

We advertised Neighborizer $10 during confirmations and Market Analyst $10/Self-Watch $10 N1.

[Harakiri]

Peregrine
Butterfly
ProHawk/Morph(I'm townreading Morph, Sakura's scumreading Morph, flip names for ProHawk)
Muffin
pie I guess
Eagle?

Likely not advertising tonight--I'm gonna be selfish and make some dosh.

[Harakiri]

Hey, you could be me and Sakura, each taking turns being really mad and wanting nothing to do with this game.

[Harakiri]

We are supposed to interact with Syr? I mean, he's cool and all but, in truth, I hardly know the guy. I don't think Sakura fares much better in that regard. Truthfully I've been willingly avoiding this thread the last day or two(mostly due to information overload+this game's tempo is really wonky) and Sakura distinctly asked me to take the lead for a bit.

Anyways the important thing with Garuda is that he's either scum with one of the people he just did analyses on or town with all of us--I refuse to see any other possibility there, the only scenarios where Nacho makes that series is if he's either trying to obsfucate one of his allies while building towncred with the rest or he's legit trying to help link us all up.

Anyways I still want money, so VOTE: Voidedmafia.

[Harakiri]

Should we hurry up and speedlynch so we can get even more money to send to the townreads?

Step ahead of ya.

[Harakiri]

Ohh, a wagon on me led by my scum read. Predictable.

Lel

Money? Money.

[Harakiri]

VOTE: DrPepper

[Harakiri]

And you're the last one to talk about odd tone this game.

[Harakiri]

So hi, i'm back now from my earlier V/LA from last week, didnt keep up much with the thread but saw we killed a mafia and that there was some sort of plan to follow along, anything else I missed without having to read all those pages?

~Sakura Hana

[Harakiri]

What we did will be apparent momentarily. I will confirm we didn't follow the plan, though. If you want to lynch us over, go for it.

[Harakiri]

-Natirasha, always the spanner in the works

[Harakiri]

We spent 0 advertizing and the rest in just about everything else, but we only got wage freeze.

~Sakura Hana

[Harakiri]

Lol'd.

But yeah, we will be using wage freeze now so we can have a NORMAL day that we dont have to rush.

~Sakura Hana

[Harakiri]

Ok i already informed the mod of using the ability, so what else do you want to know?

~Sakura Hana

[Harakiri]

Sakura ruining my fun.

Anyways, I did as I did for a few reasons.

1. I knew the scum team would kill someone in the six.
2. They still have their dirty tricks. I understand we have a plan in place, but they can still use them.
3. I suspect we have scum in our six and I am not fine with possibly burning our money that way.
4. I'm selfish, and if Sakura is willing to play along...

But, yes, we went for messenger and Wage Freeze primarily. Messenger to send someone the message that we did it, Wage Freeze because duh. The rest, I was just hoping to pick up the slack of what you guys missed.

[Harakiri]

IMO we out just lose if Peregrine is scum.

[Harakiri]

^
Not lynching this guy ever... however you forgot to post in your hydra

~Sakura Hana

[Harakiri]

and I just realised I'm the only one in the top 7 baleagle doesn't love. Why is this, baldeagle?

You just answered yourself

top 7

7

~Sakura Hana

[Harakiri]

I'm not.

But baldeagle could only choose 6 people, not 7, you're asking him to be supporting 7 people apparently?

~Sakura Hana

[Harakiri]

how did I get a townread on you again?

I think it was because of his catchup post

~Sakura Hana

[Harakiri]

VOTE: Nero Cain

Full on not even reading.

[Harakiri]

Nero's P scummy imo

[Harakiri]

So

Who do you think is the scum in our five townreads?

[Harakiri]

Well, the paranoia version IMO is that you're the scum, so let's go with the grip of sanity version.

[Harakiri]

This is the list. These are ffery thoughts, though I don't think Cabd's thoughts differ much at this point based on our weekend discussions. We haven't formally gone through our reads, though, so there could be a surprise lurking somewhere.

Good, I find your thoughts more credible than Cabd's.

Lost Butterfly - it's kinda freaked me out that faraday has been so absent, but based on reading along with the game he's modding, his availability really is this limited. I have no experience playing with Mina and I hear her scum game is very good. So, despite some amazingly insightful and useful analysis of the bids and advertisements, I worry.

I agree with this wholesale.

Pie - When he entered the game, my experience with his play was precisely zip. He seems to play a really transparent game, with a fair amount of aggressive questioning. His catch up post read town as fuck. Still think he's town.

There was one post that gave me pause--I'll have to go find it. Pie's better than I think we're giving credit for.

Peregrine - I'm basically going with Shaheed's law. if he's scum, town has already lost, so I'm assuming he's town and the efforts we're putting into the game aren't wasted on a foregone conclusion. I probably won't back off this position, but, Cabd and I plan to do some meta analysis well before this game day ends.

Yupyup.

upside down - The town read has gotten stale. I haven't played with Quilford before, and my game with N, he was scum. This is another read I don't feel all that qualified to call definitive.

I award you...a Gold Star. I actually want to lynch him kinda today.

I'm semi-lumping Garuda into this list because even though they aren't in the group that's having funds funneled their direction, they've had a disproportionate impact on my reads and votes. Which is par for the course, even when I have trouble keeping my nacho-read in sharp focus all game day. And that's where I'm at. When he's posting, I follow his logic and observations, and even if I disagree, I can clearly see how he arrives at his reads. I really hate the Hermy lynch though, looking back on it. I asked an open-ended question about her first game, hoping to draw out the lylo self-vote and to at least have a sense if there was a meta basis for the read, or if it was entirely due to her posts in this game. I didn't really get an answer from Nacho. But, time was way short by then and we wound up voting her too. With left hand and right hand scum subteams, the fact that he was a strong and early proponent of the Dr Pepper lynch isn't as strong a town point as it otherwise would be..

Yeah I dunno why Nford got the slot over him. The Hermy lynch is something I'm fine with--I did something similar back in Castle when deadline was coming up by forcing through a lynch on a lurker(flipped SK, but that's unimportant). I think Garuda's pretty town, although if I was scum, he chose the target I would have--a mostly-VLA lurker who is likely to be town & no one has ties to. I think it's safe to say he's right hand scum if he is.

For the record, I'm like 90% positive there is scum in the five townreads(part of the reason I didn't follow the plan last night--Sakura's been on complete autopilot for the record), so, um, yeah.

[Harakiri]

I got a cop guilty.

In reality, I think he's flooding the thread in unnecessary bullshit & POE & gut.

[Harakiri]

I think we all know that Sakura's check out is likely not related to this game at all, Cabd.

Coasting cuz I really don't care about the Voided/Nero/Mhurk/Eagle mess and NFord's posting gives me flashbacks.

My paranoia to you is partially Sakura's last words to me being to keep paranoid about you and because I know that you'd take the initiative as you have as scum--it's not going to fade until one of us is dead, so w/e.

Anyways I'm gonna maintain holding pattern if anyone wants to talk to me.

[Harakiri]

Well I was V/LA last weekend and didn't want to read through all the pages that were posted back then, and Nat didn't say anything in the QT, so I might as well just ask here what happened since last friday

~Sakura Hana

[Harakiri]

So you think Voided vs hawk is TvS but you decide to wagon Seanald because you want to know his alignment?

What. The. Hell?

~Sakura Hana

Side-Note: The Natirasha head of this hydra is V/LA for the weekend.

[Harakiri]

I mean, coming from a Town PoV lynching either voided or hawk should give you the alignment of the other if that's what you really think, so why do you want to lynch seanald then?

~Sakura Hana

PEd: lolwoot?

[Harakiri]

Then why not lynch someone you're more certain of, than someone you're uncertain of? I don't think wagoning someone will make them post more content, it didnt do much for Hermy D1.

~Sakura Hana

[Harakiri]

As another sidenote, I was V/LA last weekend, Nat didnt catch me up, I asked for a summary of what happened, no one gave one, and I'm not reading those last 30 freaking pages, just saying.

~Sakura Hana

[Harakiri]

Indeed, but still I see no reason why you wouldnt want to lynch your suspect that you find it more likely to be scum while still pressing seanald with questions, and at worst saying that he should also be looked at tomorrow if the Voided lynch is a go.

I'm just going to take a page from thor's book here and say that we should drive Voided to L-1 and get a claim we can analyse before proceeding further, we already got wage freeze on so... he cant make us lose money by delaying any claim anyway.

On another note, i dont even remember who my hydra is voting, nor I know how many votes are on Voided so i'll check that next VC before I vote him

~Sakura Hana

[Harakiri]

I'm sorry, been VLA. I'll get something up later.

Why are we still scum, pie?

[Harakiri]

VOTE: Voided

Part deadline, part I do agree with the wagon.

[Harakiri]

With what parts? <_<

Talking out my ass mostly. Get some more people to vote Nero and i'll move back in a heartbeat.

Also fine with Prohawk dying still, even if Sakura disagrees.

[Harakiri]

Part of me says scum's running the show with these deadline lynches.

But we lynched Dr. P.

VOTE: Seanald

[Harakiri]

People voting Seanald (9): PeregrineV, Espeonage, KingdomAces, Ghostly Penguin, pieguyn, Lord Mhork, morph the cat, Harakiri, ProHawk [L-1]
People not voting Seanald (9): 1baldeagle1, uʍop ǝpısdn, Nero Cain, Seanald, BBmolla, zMuffinMan, VoidedMafia, Lost Butterfly, Garuda

3h45 till deadline guys.

~Sakura Hana

[Harakiri]

BBMolla I love how you bid a lot on everything but wage freeze

~Sakura Hana

[Harakiri]

Unfortunately not, i didnt even realize it was up for auction and i just let Nat decide what to do with the bids.

~Sakura Hana

[Harakiri]

VOTE: BBMolla

Why? We've let Nero Cain, Seanald and others get away with stupid advertisements. I think we've established enough precedent that we're fine to allow people to advertise & get these shit-tier abilities and no one will bat an eye.

--We didn't advertise last night, but we sadly didn't win shit either. I hate it and it sucks--

[Harakiri]

Seanald's an established idiot, and Nero put too little thought into exactly how abilities like LP and I think Vote Freeze are actually pro-town, but where exactly is this with BB? Yes, adding in Tailor and LP to the list isn't the best idea, but Tailor was added in because of a misunderstanding regarding how that worked, and there's more than enough pro-town abilities in that list that you cannot possibly imagine this being a stupid-town move nor some kind of scum ploy. Or you can tell me what the scum motivation is in advertising all those abilities is?

I still don't see how Molla would think Tailor can be town-aligned in any scenario, and why the fuck would you advertise Love Potion

despite us talking about it before

. I think that molla was trying to hide it in the cacophony that is his advertising. Scum motivation is setting up to use their money advantage to sneak all of them up on a mass level.

As for your "not batting an eye" comment, I'm just going to refer you to pgs. 127 and 128, and if you can't see what I'm talking about re: Mina, you deserve a facepalm.

Gimme a sec I know LB kinda struck me as odd today.

Also, this.

It's not a policy lynch, it's using mechanics to scumhunt.

[Harakiri]

As expected.

[Harakiri]

The thing about Tailor was more that BB thought the ability was only specifically toward cop with a bunch of very hard to work with conditionals that made it effectively useless. Which you'd know if you read his posts regarding that. -_-

Yeah, but that still doesn't explain why you'd ever advertise it.

For the last bit...I'm not really seeing what's so scum-motivated there. They want to bring up a massive amount of town abilities and buy them?

Kill players with lots of money->Put lots of abilities on market->Buy them while the town is without money(and thank Seanald for being literally the worst player in this game)

As expected.

We're you not expecting scum to activate Deadline? The question, of course, is, "Who activated it?". Someone who wasn't online til now, probably. Eagle's a good bet.

[Harakiri]

Let's do Voided.

Also, I'm gonna freeze ProHawk's vote on Voided, because I really really think Voided is scum and we are not going to let him evade another lynch.

Uwop is a bit scummy too, but I prefer Voided greatly.

This post's timing is super awkward.

[Harakiri]

As plausible as that is, it would still require scum to have the money to spend to buy each one, which I think shouldn't actually be possible under the assumption that at least on N2 everyone truthfully gave all/most of their money to one of those 6 people. sure, they might get, like, $50 or so from last night (I think, anyways) or whatever and efficiency bonus, but unless they were already sitting on a good hoard of cash how are they going to have enough money to keep most or all of those abilities out of town's hands?

I think scum didn't donate their whole cash. That ignores the obvious scenarios of them "sending" their money to Pyrotechnics/scum operative in 6 as well.

What?

Did you expect that the scum would not use Deadline if they got it.

Well, I could almost see town-eagle getting and activating deadline just to see me die. Which is pretty damn sad, if you think about it.

Then I'm legit policy lynching him, because between him and Seanald we're losing the night phase.

I want a lynch before midnight tonight.

[Harakiri]

That's also likely, but again I don't think it'd be enough to allow them to buy all or even the majority of what BB advertised.

With deadline backup I think they can.

It was a possibility, but it seems more like an ability to use as soon as you get it rather than one to save.

And they did..?

have you seen how hard he's been pushing for my death? That's what I'm saying I could almost see this as a way to see me die. I'm hoping eagle isn't THAT dumb (though saying he would Freeze Pro's vote onto me is still stupid, just not as much as deadlining for that), but I'm not crossing my fingers over it.

I think it's been established this hydra hasn't read most of the thread.

I think getting a lynch before midnight on Saturday would be more reasonable. It'll certainly take me an hour or two to comb through the thread if more than 2-4 pages show up while I'm away.

Bah, whatever. I'm not lynching you I think. Wanna kill Prohawk with me? Or Molla? Or Eagle?

[Harakiri]

ohok I see

holy wow that does seem really awkward. the fact that it was you who called it makes me a bit paranoid, but all the evidence is there 0.0

If I put Sakura on the line can she convince you we're town? I really wanna work with you, pie.

[Harakiri]

I'm not lynching voided. Muffin lynch molla or eagle with me. Or even better Prohawk.

[Harakiri]

@Muffin-nero could be scum. Rather others.
@voided-i was mostly wagoning you because I wasn't paying attention. Now that we've interacted I think you're town.
@Nacho-i consider Molla to be a bit smarter than Seanald. Why would he lie about his advertising?

[Harakiri]

Right but I'm saying he gets derptown points advertising those like we've given every other fool.

[Harakiri]

Wanna lynch him pie?

[Harakiri]

Yes yes, just keep discrediting, Prohawk. Its just Natirasha! All you gotta do is call him scum and bam no one will listen to him anyway.

Seriously, is everyone missing how predatory his tone is?

Edit: this is the same prohawk that was all about walls, huh?

[Harakiri]

The one and only. Don't be sore about our last encounter Nati.

Once more with the discredit! I'm just salty about our last game, now!

No.

There is a clear tonal shift between both your last game and Xenologue vs this game. Your behavior has been hugely different. Its literally playing with a different player.

[Harakiri]

Prohawk lynch is a go!

VOTE: Prohawk

We can get Nero tomorrow.

[Harakiri]

Fuck the plan. Lynch prohawk, LB.

[Harakiri]

I'm going ham tonight, Voided-dono.

I haven't even talked to Sakura![/I
Plan sucked in the first place. I should have objected. acum wont follow and it just hurts the town power.

Give me the prohawk lynch to prove my sanity has an inverse relationship with my scumreads and lets fucking roll. I think Nero is scum along with one of Nford and Butterfly thing. Need prohawk lynch first though Cuz death tunnel.

[Harakiri]

This is the marketplace! Let the invisible hand decide!

And I use honorifics at times. Its fun.

[Harakiri]

This is the marketplace! Let the invisible hand decide!

Yes, let those of us without much night sense run completely free to do whatever we like. Sounds like a good plan <_<

Just transfer your money to me! My night senses are amazing!

[Harakiri]

Where is sanity land, Nacho? Show me your ways!

[Harakiri]

B-b-but they're so pretty, and their song so beautiful!

You agree Prohawk is scum right?

[Harakiri]

Bah! Why are we lynching KA? General uselessness? I don't like that.

[Harakiri]

I'm on my phone so we're even. Just point me to a post at least. As mentioned I legit haven't read anything before my posts today.

[Harakiri]

I guess I'm retreading pro hawk too! Mina, are you scum reading him as well?

Nacho if there is one thing I can do legit, its read tone and nonverbal factors. There is something up with Prohawk.

[Harakiri]

Its not though. Prohawk's a pretty reasonable guy usually. Kinda a harass, sure, but definitely reasonable. Like, I don't remember any of the name-calling or the downright predatory nature he's displayed this game in any previous game. That's ignoring his immutability of reads and whatnot he's expressed.

[Harakiri]

Not talking about his actual content, but the way he came across. In Xenologue it felt like he was trying to act a voice of reason in the cacophony of that game. In Cabd he acted as a mediator.

Here he's been content to kindle fires but not fan them, so to speak. Whereas in the others he fanned the flames as well of the fires he started.

[Harakiri]

It's been 8 minutes and like 10 posts from me, you should be ashamed.

@Nacho-Does it?
@Voided-meanie.

[Harakiri]

I'm still here if anyone cares.

[Harakiri]

I posted on hawkie. So did LB!

I understand your side but I find LB's side much more convincing. Sorry. You might get me on KA though.

[Harakiri]

Urk.

VOTE: KingdomAces

[Harakiri]

Both of you can't even

begin

to complain about people misspelling your names. I mean, fuck, people have trouble figuring out my gender, let alone spell correctly.

[Harakiri]

I have neighbourizer!

Hit me up tonight.

Nacho has like three posts to explain why he's not Right Hand Scum.

[Harakiri]

vote: uwop

VOTE: Uwop

Who the fuck roleblocked me?

Scum I assume?

[Harakiri]

Also, I think today is time for a massclaim. There's more stuff I'll say after it.

Fine by me.

[Harakiri]

(Oh, also, I figured it was safer to go all in for an ability that

wasn't

in red, since we don't know how scum can interfere with red bids.)

I just want to say it's not worth it. I've bid thrice on red auctions and gotten outbid by 1 each time. I think scum can see others who bid on the red auctions and plan accordingly--only way the NK bids make sense.

[Harakiri]

Why exactly are you a better target than anyone else?

I do better in a closed-knowledge environments where I can rapidly spitfire thoughts out. Plus, I currently have one of the higher net worths on the townside and want some advice that scum can't see.

A.) Why Right hand and not Left hand?

B.) KA's lynch does put some question marks to Garuda, I can agree that, but is it really that big a thing or is there something more?

A)Dr Pepper is super lynchbait to the Nth degree. I've personally lynched town-DP as scum-me numerous times. Who led DP's lynch and would have thought he was badtown..?
B)Who's led the town's kills since...day two?

[Harakiri]

Although, my gut is screaming at me to reconsider my scumread on Voided.

PLEASE!!!!

[Harakiri]

that's probably why the N2 NK only went for $76. no one else bothered to bid more than $75 on it

I'm saying the scum's nk bids don't make sense. They don't have 300+ each night to bid on it in addition to getting the other powers if my math is working out right, unless they have inside knowledge on these nk bids. I'm the reason that the NK went so high two nights.

[Harakiri]

1. VoidedMafia-t
3. Nero Cain-?
5. pieguyn-t
6. Lost Butterfly-t/?
7. Garuda-s
10. BBmolla-s
11. Ghostly Penguin-t
12. Harakiri-me
13. uʍop ǝpısdn-s?
14. zMuffinMan-?
16. ProHawk-s
17. Lord Mhork-t
19. 1baldeagle1-t
21. Espeonage-?

@Pie: Yes I'm well-aware. I'm saying it's useless to bid on reds at this point.

[Harakiri]

where'd the flip flop on eagle come from

This at me? I forgot why I was scumreading them.

[Harakiri]

In any case, bigger fish to fry: Garuda Prohawk uwop(I'm not wrong to trust you here right)

[Harakiri]

PS anyone even suggesting I'm scum at this point is either bad at the game or scum.

[Harakiri]

them making a post right after deadline got activated yesterday

Oh right that's one place where the Siren's Song probably caught to me.

[Harakiri]

n1 n4

[Harakiri]

no vote uwop with us plz

Am I right?

[Harakiri]

So, we only get one more mislynch before we need to get scum.

Just lynch scum and we're gold.

[Harakiri]

I thought there weren't that many townreads on you, or have mentions of you just been that few? (Or am I just missing them?)

I shook them off with my stellar play yesterday.

Fixed broken quote tag.

[Harakiri]

I see what you're saying ProHawk.

I've votin uwop over my other reads for a reason though.

[Harakiri]

nati is null on me?

I'm going back and forth. Sorry, muffin-bro. You know I hate sorting you when you're not obvtown(like Touhou).

[Harakiri]

Pie should I say it or you?

[Harakiri]

Wrong Touhou game, Pie.

I was talking about the fact I thought you had a cop guilty on NFord?

[Harakiri]

He's tier 2 scum. Rather lynch Prohawk or Garuda THEN BBMolla and Uwop.

[Harakiri]

I explained Garuda at the beginning of today. Uwop because he's been on the periphery and I keep floppy flopping in him.

[Harakiri]

My latest worry is that you used a bit of "I'd never say that as scum" on the last page when you literally did that same thing yesterday in Bork's game.

[Harakiri]

VOTE: Garuda

Can we kill Nacho?

[Harakiri]

Fair enough. I'm really not interested in pursuing you anyways. What do you think of killing nacho?

[Harakiri]

hi Nati what do you think about 3612

That's a shitty reason to vote.

[Harakiri]

if you drum up support for a nacho lynch, sure

Well, I'm more asking you what you think of him.

Pie--not really.

[Harakiri]

If you have a cop guilty just say it pie.

[Harakiri]

Voided, a lot of us want Molla dead.

[Harakiri]

Why?

[Harakiri]

I don't see how extra vote is useful in any way at any point honestly.

[Harakiri]

Oh, that's funny because I thought I was putting the goddamn team on my back.

[Harakiri]

I actually have a townread on Nacho in this game so we should not lynch him

I have a scumread on Nacho so we should lynch him, your point?

~Sakura Hana

[Harakiri]

There are currently a fuckton of players I'm not happy with.

Speak to me of your woes, Scumcho.

I'm currently fine with Nero Cain, surprisingly.

[Harakiri]

Pie, I do not deny that Muffin could be scum.

We're not lynching him today though, especially over...

VOTE: BBMolla[

[Harakiri]

And Garuda but I don't think I can get enough support for Garuda wagon today.

[Harakiri]

without doing the million quote march, why is Molla town?

Nero I said I was fine with at the moment. It's more I think there are better targets than him to lynch.

[Harakiri]

Seanald was dumb and I still think his kill was correct.
Why does Molla do the things he does? He's smarter.
Faking dumb.

[Harakiri]

First: why would molla scum say that he advertised what he did for town cred? Keep in mind there are a couple of people who know his play and don't consider him an idiot, so derp cred isn't the case.

He pretends to be thinking about mechanics with his silly excuses.
Gets rid of least useful powers to scum.
Yes roleblocker is useless for scum.

[Harakiri]

I may not be dumb but I'm definitely lazy and ignorant

Playing dumb on purpose is asking to get lynched.

Not when town's given pass for it many times already.

[Harakiri]

Note Molla's defense. Terrible.

[Harakiri]

Seanald for a day, Nero.

[Harakiri]

Pretends to be thinking about mechanics by advertising tailor?

He tried to slip it through on the pretense of removing weaker specific powers(lol vote freeze).

[Harakiri]

He could have just lied about advertising it though

Money tracking.

Seanald for a day, Nero.

Nero is Nero and hasn't done anything stupid mechanics wise unless I'm horribly misremembering.

Love Potion.

[Harakiri]

Garuda's argument with Hara doesn't give me really good feels.

Which side?

[Harakiri]

My read came from a test. I wasn't on the KingdomAces bandwagon at first, but after Garuda full-on

shut down

my Prohawk wagon, I figured a KA wagon would let us see Garuda's alignment clearer. It did. I'm going to go as far as to say both Empire and Nacho would have a better hit rate this game(and it wouldn't be on a player that is really really easy to mislynch) if they were town.

Speaking of which,

I'm going out of town for Thanksgiving tomorrow through Sunday.

Sakura should still be around, I think(?).

[Harakiri]

Pie could you please stop arguing with lynch bait espeonage and help us lynch Garuda.
Also sorry for my lack of posting but I've been coming down with a cold and Nat just asked me to tell you that.

~Sakura Hana

[Harakiri]

Post.

Nat is on V/LA and I've had a cold which hasn't really motivated me on reading this, so posting to avoid a prod.

~Sakura Hana

[Harakiri]

Wait, wait, wait. Doesn't scum have two night kills? There was no kill on Night 1, but nobody claimed having night kill on Day 1, so that means they were stacking it up. So, technically, they have 2.
So, there's 9 town and 5 scum, we lynch town today, scum kills twice and wins night kill, so at the start of Day 6, there's 6 town and 5 scum and that's LYLO....

Or they hit scum with their night kill

~Sakura Hana

[Harakiri]

nero's gonna die today, don't you worry

Then just say you're the hobo already and shoot him.

[Harakiri]

So the thing I'm getting from this skim is baldeagle was scum. Garuda too prob, I dunno. And Molla, but I'm annoyed both LB and Garuda think he's town, so he's probably town.

[Harakiri]

What?

History is important.

[Harakiri]

Harakiri your reads are literally the shittiest thing I have read all day

And you're a paragon of greatness.

Me.

[Harakiri]

I am happy to get behind pretty much any lynch right now. I have a total of two townreads. Myself and Mina, jury is still out on Faraday.

Add us to the list for ez townpoints.

I wanna kill baldeagle and I really don't see how he's been obvious town.

Regarding you+Garuda, LB, I'm saying that I doubt both of you will be wrong on a Molla read even in the absence of scum.

I forget what GP did earlier but they were like confirmed town or something so I dunno.

[Harakiri]

Vote Count 5.18

With 14 alive, it takes 8 to lynch.

Nero Cain (4): Lord Mhork, Garuda, zMuffinMan, VoidedMafia
BBmolla (4): Ghostly Penguin, Harakiri, 1baldeagle1, uʍop ǝpısdn
uʍop ǝpısdn (2): ProHawk, BBmolla
zMuffinMan (1): Nero Cain
1baldeagle1 (1): pieguyn

Not Voting (2): Lost Butterfly, Espeonage

Deadline for Day 5 is Friday, December 6th, at 4:00pm EST (site time).
Countdown to deadline:

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Quilford is posting in place of uʍop ǝpısdn until access issues for the hydra get resolved.

Oh god what have i done.

VOTE: baldeagle

[Harakiri]

IDEA PLAN FOR TONIGHT

We have two universal townreads:
1. Lost Butterfly
2. pieguyn

We roll a two-sided dice, if you roll a 1, you send all of your money to LB, and so on. The two townreads will bid for Night kill in attempt to keep it out of scum's hands.

P-Edit: Esp, why don't you just vote Molla?

This is, like, objectively bad.

[Harakiri]

So, how do we avoid scum getting night kill?

Lynch scum.

[Harakiri]

Muffin if Nero's town we lynch Garuda 100% tomorrow, okay? Like, I'm willing to lose the game on that read if Nero is town.

VOTE: Nero Cain

[Harakiri]

If were not doing anything else, can we finish Nero off and get $15?

[Harakiri]

VOTE: Eagle

This way, Tiger-chan.

[Harakiri]

See, usually I'd ask why, but instead this game, I just wanna shout you down and call you dumb.

[Harakiri]

You're on my scum list. Your reads are awful and you've been giving me to bad vibes.

Your face is awful therefore your reads are awful as well.

[Harakiri]

what's your read on prohawk atm?

Still scum but whenever I try to push that wagon something sabotages me or I get distracted by the shiny objects.

[Harakiri]

VOTE: Prohawk

1 V 1 FLASHWAGONS LETS FUCKING ROCK

[Harakiri]

No case on ProHawk!

Just justice!

[Harakiri]

Unvote, Vote: ProHawk

Why are you so scummy.