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[borkjerfkin]

/confirm

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VOTE: borkjerfkin

What's a jerfkin and how do you bork it?

pretend I gave a witty fluff answer to that, but we actually have a non-fluff gamestate right now - any thoughts on page 1?

I've seen town cabd try to scrub for gamebreaking info before, so there's my first townread

p-edit: where are you going with this syry

[borkjerfkin]

p-edit: where are you going with this syry

Yer breakin my verve, dude. Shh.

you're a verve

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That's an awfully quick townread given who you're townreading.

Explain?

[borkjerfkin]

Cabd makes a study of his own meta. And assorted other reasons for caution.

So should I not attempt to read him or what are you trying to say here?

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Paranoia is usually the thing that keeps a person's head still attached to his body though.

How do you feel about this specific issue?

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Why do people think I give a fuck about Xenologue?

Anything is an easy read to make if I know their alignment. Are you saying I'm being disingenuous in that I believe what he did with you is more likely to come from town than from scum?

If not, then why are you going down this bullshit burden of proficiency road already?

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You didn't answer any of my questions

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NS quit fucking shitting up the thread

[borkjerfkin]

I'm having a pretty fucking bad day. problem?

[borkjerfkin]

That's right. I didn't. I'm a relatively easy player to read, especially to meta-read. He spent his gambit on someone who could be sorted other ways.

What the fuck does any of that have to do with me?

[borkjerfkin]

This is about the most underhanded FoS I've ever seen.

You're applying things that you,

not I

, might have done based on arbitrary standards that you have set to try to denounce an early game read based on I think a pretty reasonable premise.

You've also not said anything about Cabd's alignment as a result if this is such a "poorly spent play" from him.

VOTE: fferyllt

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NS is pinging town gut

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I'd be careful there, his "new playstyle" thing is still kind of unsettled, and it could be either. He flew pretty well day one and two in my game too.

noted, but that's where I am right now

[borkjerfkin]

hadn't really looked at her, but on a quick read a have a question for her:

@Sakura: elaborate on 72? Is that affecting your read of him this game?

[borkjerfkin]

Isn't it obvious?

No, and I need to know if I've gone in the wrong direction

[borkjerfkin]

bork

are you fucking serious?

[borkjerfkin]

unFoSing bork.

why?

[borkjerfkin]

Well, you said you're reevaluating your worldview of the game wrt having Cabd as the center of it, I get that; is that it or did I do something?

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bork I have no idea what "town guilt is", please walk me through it.

I'm not following

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Yeah, Iso, fferylit's confirmed town due to the mod error pretty much unless we're assuming scum have fakeclaims w/wincons attached(which I don't believe to be the case based off previous mod meta).

How are you able to assume that "Hamil" isn't mentioned in the scum wincon?

Also unpack the Cabd read for me, Iso can do the same for Sakura because "hey guys sheep me" is not going to be an acceptable thing for me to do at this point in the game.

p-edit: I was in a shitty mood yesterday so sorry about all the f-bombs and whatever.

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Many posts feels very little game related.

Also, I resent this, explain how my posts are not game related.

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Flat out claims he hasn't gambited yet, when no matter how you look at it page one is something resembling one.

I do agree with this, but I want to talk about my next point:

Caught the lack of town wincon, gambited ffery into giving it to him.

This is kinda where I disagree hugely, and the more I think about it makes me think he's more town; I don't possibly know how scum-cabd could have known that there was a town wincon with specifically the name of a town in it (he was very specific in what he asked for) unless it was in his scum pm, but if he had a fakeclaim with that wincon or just had it listed somewhere else or however it manifests itself, I just don't think he even thinks to make that play. I know someone's going to come in here and say I'm underestimating him, but I don't think so.

Also if you go with a premise that Cabd is scum who somehow knew to ask about Hamil, you can't auto-assume ffery was town for knowing the answer. There actually is one case where that play from cabd-scum makes sense: if ffery is ALSO scum (in which case you argue that the scum PM does have Hamil somewhere in it). That's kinda tinfoil-hatty and I don't even want to go down that road unless we get a scum flip from one or the other.

But,
UNVOTE:
I feel like I am way out of tune with everyone right now overall. Forget the cabd-ffery interaction: I want to hear about ffery town in a vacuum because a lot of people are purporting that she is this.

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what is town guilt

again, what are you talking about

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What part of Sakura being scum have you not picked up on? Please read through their posts and walk me through the town motivation you see.

From what part of "explain your scumreads" do you get "I am townreading Sakura"?

@Sakura: I asked you a thing earlier

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Whoops, yeah you did. That's reasonable.

follow-up: I've played with you I think on at least two separate occasions and you were not wagoned on D1 in either of them; do you actually get lynched D1 a lot?

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From what part of "explain why you're not reading scumSakura" do you get "explain why you're reading townSakura"?

What part of Sakura being scum have you not picked up on?

Please read through their posts and walk me through the town motivation you see.

I don't want to mince words but that's how your post came off.

Let's start over: I am null on Sakura at the point I made that post.

Since then, I don't particularly like her flavor of AtE this game, but her content is minimal and I don't see any inherent scum motivation in anything she's done.

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Not really, I do have a town read on him atm, I don't like to go by paranoia just because I know he can pull all sorts of gambits and stuff, plus paranoia is annoying.

I interpret this as *yes, I'm going to be paranoid, but you kinda have to slog through that because otherwise you can't really get anywhere long-term*

That's a reasonable stance, and conveys a read. It's pretty null overall - what do you think?

p-edit: I guess that answers that.

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@Iso - thanks for the explanation. In all honesty, I'm not all that moved by it wrt overt scum motivation, but there is lack of town motivation and other things to be gained here:
VOTE: Sakura

Otherwise I have a really bad handle on the game for 14 pages:

town:
NS

maybe town:
Cabd
Iso

?:
everyone else

I feel like this game is not moving anywhere that quickly, most people are really guarded, and I only really feel ns and iso (and myself) are attempting to move the game forward.

I probably overreacted earlier: ffery's behavior is actually pretty consistent with Narnia, and while I was quite happy to remain detached from her in that game, I'm not in this one. Consider this an olive branch.

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Bork, is there a reason you left ffery out of your town pile?

Yeah, my post was that I'm inviting her to interact with me with the promise that I'm not gonna be abrasive about it. That doesn't mean she still doesn't need to be sorted.

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@Cabd

Preface: I think this sort of mechanics testing is against the spirit of the game and don't like talking about it, but I'm not going to ignore questions about it because it's out there.

I already talked a bit about that whole incident, but I didn't really take post 153 into account. As I said, there's no guarantee that "Hamil" appears nowhere in the scum PM, but you're probably right that it gives a more credence to her being town, otherwise the mod could've just ignored it knowing both sides already knew.

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I have you tentatively sorted based on our earlier interactions and my reset. Compared to your interactions with me in the Narnia game, a little abrasiveness is a pretty decent town marker.

Cool.

Regarding Pitoli: We do have a recent instance where she started out as a non-presence and flipped town (Walking Dead)

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UNVOTE:

checking sakura scum games for woe-is-me ATE

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Open 510 - Lynched D2, did not do the "woe-is-me" thing, but the "you're gonna be sorry when you lynch me" thing, which is pretty distinctly different in that it's much easier to fake.
Newbie 1379 - Lynched D3, pulled a "I don't care if I'm lynched as long as you lynch X tomorrow" gambit. Way different.
Newbie 1371 - Lynched D1, and probably the most telling because of that. Is never emotionally responsive to this in the way that she's being right now, just a "you sure you guys won't stop tunneling me oh you won't guess I'll self-hammer" No threats to replace out or emotionally charged frustration.

Other scum games she was not lynched in.

This is different than any of those and more similar to that-which-must-not-be-named. I think she is town.

[borkjerfkin]

Why does anyone even go near palmacosta nothing but terrible things ever happen there

my one character hint: it is hilariously ironic that I am aligned with cruxis

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Wait, what?

Flavor stuff. What are you confused about

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holy shit

VOTE: notscience

I think we've got a scumslip

[borkjerfkin]

Hmm.

UNVOTE:

That checks out.

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@ffery: I really shouldn't have to.

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Why are you dismissing me as town when I could have looked here for the rules

But you didn't do that, you looked in your role PM.

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@Mod: This is why you do sample town PMs

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I'm a mason, you're a mason, Sakura's a mason

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I agree that it's shitty and wasn't what I was going for, I was attempting just to talk about flavor, but this just kinda happened and I'm not sure how I'd have ignored it.

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[quote="In post 469, Elize Lutus"]

T

Syryana requested replacement. Expect the deadline to fall drastically.


Why

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The deadline part i mean

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Um, either what we're doing is legal or it isn't

If it is, he needs to ignore it.
It is isn't, he needs to explicitly say so

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Why is the deadline shortened

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Oh it was for syryana?

Why is what syryana did my problem

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I'm symphonia

I put forward that anyone who picked someone from symphonia II who wasn't also in symphonia needs to reexamine their life choices

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NO

NO

no

sandy wind cave

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Yuan*

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Fucking site

I was Yuan, 2-Shot Cop

Picks were (Yuan, Natalia, Yeager)

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I'm not sure how I could've handled what I saw differently other than replacing out.