Mini 1508 ~ Tales of uPick ~ Error

[Cabd]

/Confirm, blah blah blah

[Cabd]

Hey. Hey ffery. What town are you protecting?

ANYONE ELSE ANSWERING THIS = SCUMCLAIM

[Cabd]

So now we get to debate if mod gave fakeclaims including the town wincon which is NOT listed above in the thread, to scum players and if not, heydere inthreadmason. MOD META TIME WHEEEEEEE

[Cabd]

Well, I did draw your favorite role, ffery, so there's that!

[Cabd]

I can feeeeeeeel the love.

[Cabd]

Pffft, the day ffery declares scum roleblocker to be her favorite role is the day hell freezes over and I bring my skiis.

[Cabd]

Nah but really if ffery recalls our conversation about... two months ago? She knows what I mean.

[Cabd]

Hotlinked denied is a scumtell!

[Cabd]

I've seen town cabd try to scrub for gamebreaking info before, so there's my first townread

That's an awfully quick townread given who you're townreading.

Not everyone is infected by your specific brand of paranoia.

[Cabd]

Generic "here's why ffery is paranoid of me" post go!


An abridged history of "Gambits and Shit Cabd has Pulled in Mafia"

Chapter One: As Town
-Fakeclaim psychologist in RVS to get the SK to claim
-Fake a cop innocent on a townread
-Fakeclaim nuetral survivor in 3-man lylo with the other two crossed
-Faked having a QT with a dead player
-Faked a posting restriction to fly under the radar
-Faked a cop guilty on a huge scumread (they flipped scum)

Chapter Two: As Scum
-Claimed scum to get a daykill
-Faked hours of metadiving
-Coasted on a hider claim to a perfect win (TWICE)
-Used dead people to leverage my case against another player
-Watcher-guiltied my own teammate in MYLO to go on to win
-Pointed out my partner's scumslip on page one of a newbie
-Faked a towntell

[Cabd]

^
I wonder if you have that in a notepad and ready for eveyrtime anyone asks about ffery's paranoia.

I do, actually.

[Cabd]

VOTE: borkjerfkin

What's a jerfkin and how do you bork it?

pretend I gave a witty fluff answer to that, but we actually have a non-fluff gamestate right now - any thoughts on page 1?

I've seen town cabd try to scrub for gamebreaking info before, so there's my first townread

p-edit: where are you going with this syry

VOTE: notscience

Policy.

I like this wagon

Vote: notscience

Also:

it takes 7 to spontaneously assault someone with a wooden sword.

This made me lol

I agree with bork that Cabd is pretty town atm.

So ffery why is bork's early townread worth a FoS but sakura's not?

[Cabd]

Because if anything i'd think the reverse.

[Cabd]

poorly spent

Debatable.

[Cabd]

Cabd, what are you thinking about ffery atm?

It's a bit concerning, but it's also something that will work itself out

when I finish tracking down all the mod's alts and games

later.

[Cabd]

Cabd, should we really trust your "mod meta dive" even after your post self-meta post?

Depends, are you capable of clicking a link if I post one? If yes, yes. If no, no.

[Cabd]

NS is pinging town gut

I'd be careful there, his "new playstyle" thing is still kind of unsettled, and it could be either. He flew pretty well day one and two in my game too.

[Cabd]

his gambits usually occur to make you think town

That is only a subset of my gambits. Some are more focused upon getting reads or breaking mechanics. Like paradox. Others are designed to create smokescreens, like achievement.

[Cabd]

I've yet to do anything i'd consider a proper gambit this game, so why are you basing your interpretations of the events as if I have?

[Cabd]

VOTE: Natirasha

Fuck your self votes too, no starting your own wagon now, so let's skip that and play instead eh.

[Cabd]

I think you're scum btw Cabd.

That makes one of us!

[Cabd]

waiting for Feirei to answer

Try flooding his skype text inbox.

[Cabd]

BTW notsci when you're done playing 100 questions I will expect real answers from you that aren't in the form of more questions.

[Cabd]

Nati I already beat you to the selfvoting punch. Thoughts on everyone else?

Syr's not funny.

Is not being funny supposed to be alignment indicative, or are you just throwing his name in there because you feel like syr-cabd-ffery is a threepack?

[Cabd]

I've yet to do anything i'd consider a proper gambit this game, so why are you basing your interpretations of the events as if I have?

In other words, does your read of sakura depend on the amount or lack thereof of gambits she's seen me do in games with her before?

[Cabd]

Okay then you have fun with that.

[Cabd]

That he needs to follow up with whatever he was doing in his page two posts.

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That he needs to follow up with whatever he was doing in his page two posts.

So you think there was method to his page two posts?

Also, you make a really twisted stake in the ground.

unFoSing bork.

There might be, there might not be, but he's the one that can explain that.

Twisted is a good way to describe the bucket, let me know when you're done filling it and ready to dump it, eh?

[Cabd]

The fact that the mod had to specify and add the town wincon to the first post..... hmmm...

[Cabd]

Also mass flavor claim is bad given roles seem to match character, given mine.

[Cabd]

Wait are we seriously doing the Unvotes-required thing.

This screams mechanic, fwiw, not a feature of every CSL rules set from my skimming.

[Cabd]

Lolcharacterflailclaims. She's dead, get over it, prettyboy.

[Cabd]

Yeah, yeah, well, she's a tree.

[Cabd]

Pagetops

[Cabd]

Sorry mod, couldn't resist.

[Cabd]

So looks like votes might in fact fuck with deadline. Aka fos away, vote only when needed.

[Cabd]

Which is actually right now!

Gaiden, ignoring skull's questions but having time to make jokes about my pagetop stealing?

UNVOTE: Natirasha
VOTE: Gaiden

[Cabd]

sorry, didn't see the change till after i submitted. edits evil.

This isn't at all what I said, nor is it answering skulls question.

[Cabd]

At current rate this gives us 8-9 days to lynch; play as if the deadline is as such: (expired on 2013-10-21 00:00:00)

[Cabd]

I don't think she is lying. Paranoia, while a valuable life skill, can appear annoying, but I would think it is slightly foolish if your actions aren't dictated by even a small amount of paranoia. Especially at this stage in the game.

I feel like this isn't a complete answer, though?

[Cabd]

And furthermore, do you apply that to the others claiming paranoia influence of their reads such as ffery or presumably syr?

[Cabd]

I apply the paranoia thing to everyone.

So to clarify, you think that paranoia in reads is in and of itself null?

And then, going on that, you feel like you can't use the level of paranoia a player displays towards another to determine a read in either direction, on either player?

[Cabd]

My logic is that you only don't have to be paranoid about someone if you already know their alignment. Then you either cooperate or go for the throat.

So you think showing paranoia is a towntell, then? How highly do you value your ability to separate fake paranoia from real paranoia?

[Cabd]

Deadline: 90% <---- Blame Cabd (jk it's still 97%)

Mod was fucking with us and added the 97 part. Just saying.

[Cabd]

Probably an inferior version of Vi's algorithm.

[Cabd]

Well, it ~IS~ a uPick, bastard mechanics may be evident.

Oh yeah, and ffery, I feel like inviting you to go places with me tomorrow, that okay?

[Cabd]

Man I love making posts that actually don't mean a damn thing just to make you go crazy. 10/10 would do again.

[Cabd]

Oh also battery appears to go down one percent per votecount, sooooo

[Cabd]

You can for now, you'll have to see what tomorrow brings.

[Cabd]

But all kidding aside, unless you've got pressing matters tonight, i'm cool with a bit of a road trip.

[Cabd]

Well, I'd really rather you not keep that appointment. I have something better. A diving trip, perhaps?

[Cabd]

So I think the Oil Rift Trust might actually be a thing this game.

[Cabd]

Nah we're gonna spend 30 pages waffling on her first.

[Cabd]

I'm trying to change my playstyle but I guess I'll be the D1 lynch without actually doing anything to save me

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http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=31155&user_select[]=21185

You said that about your own play as scum in cashcabd. Are you seeing parallels here?

[Cabd]

I'm trying to change my playstyle but I guess I'll be the D1 lynch without actually doing anything to save me

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http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=31155&user_select[]=21185

You said that about your own play as scum in cashcabd. Are you seeing parallels here?

[Cabd]

Ffery you didn't telegraph your pitoli vote at all. What's up with that?

Bork, is there a reason you left ffery out of your town pile?

[Cabd]

What do you think of Sakura's stance re:me cabd?

I'm trying to remember if I've seen sakura as scum disagree with a seemingly global townread of a player. I don't recall any but I'll dive it, hang on.

[Cabd]

The fact that the mod had to specify and add the town wincon to the first post..... hmmm...

Bork, you think this is irrelevant?

[Cabd]

Yeah I tried a different approach this game, why? because i always get NK'd N1 that's why, when I asked all I was told is "Stop being so towny" so I tried that, and now I'm painted scum, this game's too hard for me, it's impossible to make a comeback if people are tunneling me because they'll just say "Oh it's prob. scum trying to look towny", so what can I do? all I can do is wait until someone hammers me, heck you're even looking at ArcAgnel now just because she said "She could be towny", but oh well, so If anyone says I'm towny they're scum now?

^Sakura scum about day one

Oh hey, despite me trying to improve guess I'm

always

going to be D1's wagon huh.

^Sakura in this game about day one (bolding mine)

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^sakura getting lynched day one as town


A quick dive of sakura games shows she very rarely gets lynched day one. In fact most of the games I pulled, she gets night killed.

[Cabd]

Ffery you didn't telegraph your pitoli vote at all. What's up with that?

It was intentional.

And?

[Cabd]

And i'd pull sakura meta from "that one game nobody ever wants to mention by name" but I think there's enough of us here that played it we can remember for ourselves.

[Cabd]

LLD

Her ladyship was an ass postgame anyways, so I'd put you on a higher tier than her for that alone.

[Cabd]

Iso, meet sakura. Sakura, Iso.

[Cabd]

Care to provide a synopsis for the benefit of those of us who have no idea what the crap you're talking about?

http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?tit ... feryllt.29

[Cabd]

Care to provide a synopsis for the benefit of those of us who have no idea what the crap you're talking about?

http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?tit ... feryllt.29

Sakura, Bork, myself, Syr, ffery, and nati were all present.

[Cabd]

Palmacosta is too hot

If palmacosta is too hot, let's take you to Triet and see how you do. Or the sands of Kogor.

[Cabd]

Cabd why so quiet about these gamebreaking maneuvers?

Well given I woke up about half an hour ago, I haven't made my rounds to this one yet. What specifically are you asking me? I think bork fairly covered what was stated.

[Cabd]

If anything I expect scum to be the ones upset because town is essentially getting free innocent children.

[Cabd]

We shouldn't assume that scum didn't get a copy of the town win condition or a vanilla role pm or w/e.

Why assume this after the mod added the win condition to the OP specifically after what Cabd did?

Because I've modded a ton of mafia games, and I know how to mod-wifom the everloving shit out of addendums to the opening info.

No offense intended to CSL, but he's not really capible of muddying the waters with his modding, if anything he telegraphs his every move.

[Cabd]

Ffery and notsci really ought to be leveraging themselves as inthread masons. I wonder if ffery has figured out the code present I sent her yet.

[Cabd]

Can you specify why each of the people you just listen are in there, sakura?

[Cabd]

TBH I've only skimmed, I want you to explain it before I read it fully, so that I'm sure you're using the same logic I will.

[Cabd]

Ffery and notsci really ought to be leveraging themselves as inthread masons. I wonder if ffery has figured out the code present I sent her yet.

I've been reluctant to go too far down this or any other rabbit hole. Especially a Cabd-authored rabbit hole.

Do you want me to get pissed off at you? Because I think I've had enough of this shit with your paranoia.

[Cabd]

Fine. Just don't expect to get much done until tomorrow on it.

[Cabd]

Weighing options of character claims, given at least three or four are already out there...

[Cabd]

Cabd, ffery, ns, Sakura and Bork

I ~think~ I'm good with going with this, having read the thread again start to finish.

[Cabd]

why are we not lynching sakura

the reaction to the notscience thing was terrible and demonstrates clearly that sakura does not have a role pm

Explain?

[Cabd]

Um, either what we're doing is legal or it isn't

If it is, he needs to ignore it.
It is isn't, he needs to explicitly say so

[Cabd]

Players shouldn't be punished or rewarded for non player actions.

If this was mod error, shortening or lengthening deadline just makes things worse.

[Cabd]

Players shouldn't be punished or rewarded for non player actions.

If this was mod error, shortening or lengthening deadline just makes things worse.

Furthermore, nothing about replacing out affecting deadlines is mentioned anywhere in the rules post. I checked.

[Cabd]

Not willing to lynch (Cabd, Nati, notsci, Sakura, bork, Iso, Skullduggery)

I get everything here except Iso. Also, why the 180 on your "the mod wifom is wifom" angle?

[Cabd]

It's not a 180. I'm more swayed by the layers of reactions than by the trigger.

What about MY reactions put me in the top list?

[Cabd]

It's not a gambit, it's a claim only you will understand.

[Cabd]

So we get punished for other players replacing out? You serious right here?

[Cabd]

Should probably leave battery deadlines to Vi, TBQH.


That said, pitoli, TAM, et al need to haul ass and decide amongst them who dies.

[Cabd]

Fine. In that case, we're moving on with operation townblock the fuck out of the game.

[Cabd]

But mod needs to make a decision because i can just ask pitoli:

"Hey pitoli, is the italics tag on the town wincon before, after, or nested within the closing tags, and are said closing tags parenthesis or brackets?"

[Cabd]

^the above doesnt actually work for the record, and is done merely as an example of why there needs to be a sample town role card in the OP

[Cabd]

That's half the fun, ffery!

[Cabd]

Hi. Your ticket for the townblock was rejected. Try again: Y/N

[Cabd]

Hi. Your ticket for the townblock was rejected. Try again: Y/N

This is @pitoli

[Cabd]

No to which question, pit?

[Cabd]

why are we not lynching sakura

the reaction to the notscience thing was terrible and demonstrates clearly that sakura does not have a role pm

Explain?

This post:

Someone got caught by the "order of cruxis" it seems.

Sakura waited a moment to see if the notscience wagon was going to build momentum or if notscience was going to be able to pull out of it. Textbook scum hedging. Too afraid to jump on the wagon in case it got disbanded, but also wanted to leave the option open to do so, as evidenced by the above post.

Fair enough. I don't quite see it like that, but I suppose we can revisit it.

Not willing to lynch (Cabd, Nati, notsci, Sakura, bork, Iso, Skullduggery)
Willing to lynch (Syr-slot, TAM, Gaiden, pitoli)

I wouldn't mind seeing Cabd die, and I'd much rather Sakura in place of Syr-slot, but that aside, this echoes my sentiments about the state of the game pretty well.

I can feel the love. What exactly about my play makes you say I'm scum. Or is it the whole "not willing to vote sakura" thing?

Not willing to lynch (Cabd, Nati, notsci, Sakura, bork, Iso, Skullduggery)

I get everything here except Iso. Also, why the 180 on your "the mod wifom is wifom" angle?

Iso's obvtown.

I beg to differ but hey, makes the world go around!

Cabd, what do you think of ISO being on a similar page to me?

If you're going to refer to me, please use "Iso" instead of "ISO" so that I know you're talking about me instead of the isolation feature. TIA

Autocorrect nailed you in my case. I'll do my best to try and disable it when speaking of you. Until I ISO Iso.

That's fine. I didn't want to be a part of your townblock. In fact, I'll make my own. With blackjack and hookers.

Scum can't make townblocs

shh

the big kids are talking

I lol'd.

[Cabd]

lel

This post seemed weird btw, in relation to all the confotowns being created.

[Cabd]

Welp. I guess I better get more serious about sorting.

Not willing to lynch (Cabd, Nati, notsci, Sakura, bork, Iso, Skullduggery)
Willing to lynch (Syr-slot, TAM, Gaiden, pitoli)

Would also consider Hanasawa because I'm not sure what to do with somebody I might not be able to evaluate for weeeeeks.

Ffery this post left off natirasha.

[Cabd]

Oh, he sure is. Why?

[Cabd]

No shit, that's who I'm asking.

But hey gaiden, what's YOUR take on nati. Lynch or keep?

[Cabd]

Ah. Fair enough. So this is where we have pitoli dance with us, ooor?

[Cabd]

Which ought to be soon, ffery.

Taking applications for townblock, apply here:

Name:_______
Why are you town?:________________
Who do you think is town?:________________
Is your character really super duper cool?______________

[Cabd]

The pessimist in me says syr replaced out because "fuck those odds of winning as scum with confotown cabd and ffery"

[Cabd]

Me, ffery, and nati have already character claimed so far, I think. I'm okay with both of the choices sounding like something they legit chose if they are who i think they are.

[Cabd]

You havent? News to me. I thought you had made it rain all over the thread.

[Cabd]

No it's okay. It doesn't really matter. I don't think it's like Vi's games where character claiming is punished though. We COULD massclaim only characters and be fine if you really wanted to, but I think it's kinda pointless if characters and alignments aren't related. Hell, nati claimed a villain.

[Cabd]

We could just partially claim by claiming only game not character.

[Cabd]

That would lock potential gambit fakeclaims down the line, as well.

[Cabd]

By "punishment" we mean "scum can use your claim to do X or Y" and there's no real way to test that until the game is over.

[Cabd]

Like voidedmafia's role in achievement unlocked.

[Cabd]

Syr's slot was 99.99999999% abyss, fwiw.

Vesperia. Popcorn to gaiden.

[Cabd]

I forgot to say that i'm the best character from symphonia.

Please don't. Nothing but your game please and thanks.

[Cabd]

Fill this out as you go:

Phantasia: { }
Abyss: {Syr's Slot}
Symphonia (and symphonia II): {Gaiden, Nati }
Xillia: { }
Vesperia {Cabd}
Graces: { }
Other { }

[Cabd]

Fill this out as you go:

Phantasia: { }
Abyss: {Syr's Slot}
Symphonia (and symphonia II): {Gaiden, Nati, Sakura }
Xillia: { }
Vesperia {Cabd}
Graces: { }
Other { }

[Cabd]

Fill this out as you go:

Phantasia: {Sakura Hana}
Abyss: {Syr's Slot}
Symphonia (and symphonia II): {Gaiden, Nati,}
Xillia: { }
Vesperia {Cabd}
Graces: { }
Other { }

[Cabd]

Oh you went THAT route, okay then.

[Cabd]

Fwiw nati i put zagi in third hoping for a SK as well.

[Cabd]

But mod needs to make a decision because i can just ask pitoli:

"Hey pitoli, is the italics tag on the town wincon before, after, or nested within the closing tags, and are said closing tags parenthesis or brackets?"

Actually why was this the question you asked? Feirei most likely formatted the scum wincon the exact same way.

The question wasn't serious, see the very next post.

[Cabd]

It's okay. Ffery, let's give syr's slot the viking funeral it needs.
UNVOTE:
VOTE: Syr's slot

[Cabd]

So quick question.

Does anyone think Syryana's slot is NOT scum?

Lol ninja'd

[Cabd]

AT least we're giving him a proper send off. I'll go back and make sure the post hammer posts are good syr .gifs

[Cabd]

let's give syr's slot the viking funeral it needs.

Is this related to the replace out like you guys have been implying? If so i'll happily sheep that.

Yes. Syr was very much looking forward to this game and fucking LOVES the tales series (abyss specifically). His replace out is clearly anger at the mod errors fucking stuff up, from the scum POV.

[Cabd]

Rita Modrio, Jailkeeper and badass

[Cabd]

Mod you should just post the entire setup.

My other picks were Raine and Zagi

[Cabd]

I'm not sure how I could've handled what I saw differently other than replacing out.

It's for the best that this got canceled TBQH.

[Cabd]

The lesson to be learned here is to always double check with a co mod or listmod before doing anything drastic. Especially something that only makes the issue worse. When in doubt, lock your game until you can properly figure things out.

[Cabd]

/Confirm, blah blah blah

^Crumbing rita mordio in his confirm post like a boss

[Cabd]

Syr and I will be running a game specific to abyss once my turn comes up, fwiw.

[Cabd]

Ehh, Nati started pinging me in retrospect, but I ignored it because I like him.

Totally nailed Gaiden, though. I thought about posting, "I think Gaiden and Sakura are buddies, but even if Sakura is town, there's a strong chance Gaiden is scum."

And now you know why I was swatting you away from sakura.

[Cabd]

I'd like to state for the record that this setup feels pretty damn townsided.

[Cabd]

Best thing is that spoiler, skull