NY 167: COMPLETELY NORMAL Mafia (GAME OVER)

[Sakura Hana]

Vote: goodmorning

for not giving me thread link

and now

Unvote
Vote: Hermy

Policy lynch go!

[Sakura Hana]

I want sakura to justify this

There's quite a difference between Hermy and me and it bothers me that you're saying I do the same thing when you were the one who pointed it out to me in site chat.

For everyone else:

I'm known for self-voting/self-hammering, tho it's something im trying to move away from.
Hermy's known for self-voting IN LYLO as town.

Big Difference.

[Sakura Hana]

How many times have she done it and what was the reason for her to do so?

Once that I remember.
For the reason of being scumread, no one had piled any votes yet and she self-voted then scum quickhammered.

[Sakura Hana]

For the reason of being scumread, no one had piled any votes yet and she self-voted then scum quickhammered.

What was the reasoning behind this? I've seen respectable players do it

because they know the game is winnable if they do so

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You know what LYLO means right?

[Sakura Hana]

I know.
And it was my RVS vote.
You getting this pissy about it is giving me bad vibes.

[Sakura Hana]

I already did but if you wanted more detail

Holy crickets. I self-voted in Ly-Lo
- Once
- In my first newbie game
- When I was extremely pissed off
- And was going to get lynched anyway

I've never done it otherwise. Ugh. It was a one off, I feel stupid for doing so, but I'd truly prefer it if I wasn't labelled as bad for something I did ONCE, ages ago

-I know
-I know
-I know
-I know.

There.

[Sakura Hana]

You were pretty known that day on site chat i'm sure.

When Cabd jumped and said "Hey Sakura, I saw someone who self-voted in LyLo!"

[Sakura Hana]

SO MUCH POSTING

HOWWWWWWW

It's a large, dont complain.

[Sakura Hana]

Well that's better...

And that post doesnt seem faked anyway, now I'd rather lynch this guy

Unvote
Vote: Wake

[Sakura Hana]

4. sangres (hydra of Nacho and ffery): Nacho is like 13 and ffery is like 12 and they'll both call me Jacob

You're giving me way too many chances to call you Jacob, didnt know you liked me calling you that.

[Sakura Hana]

Vote: Jacob

[Sakura Hana]

You could sheep me and hope something interesting happens.

[Sakura Hana]

Any particular reason why?

Reactions.

Why do you care?

[Sakura Hana]

This is confirmed Town.

Really?
Wouldnt you be mad if someone messed up with your reaction tests by asking questions like that?

[Sakura Hana]

So town interferes with reaction tests?

[Sakura Hana]

Most of the time, Town fucks up everything

Last time i did a gambit i got a conf town, but town lynched him anyway.
Then i found both scum and subtly stated the plan for LyLo since i was conf town and was dying, but town didnt see it.

Yeah I concede... town does fuck up everything, maybe i shouldn't even play since town is gonna fuck up everything right?

Nope, I still will try, and I don't find any town motivation behind someone screwing other people's plans, and you giving him a conf town pass is even worse

Unvote
Vote: tippy

[Sakura Hana]

^
Cabd post

[Sakura Hana]

^
Mara post

[Sakura Hana]

Dont worry guys, I know Cabd likes to pretend to be his hydra partners when talking on hydra.

[Sakura Hana]

^

Cabd

Mara Post

[Sakura Hana]

Does voting them make them stop?

Do you realize im not voting the person that screwed up my plan, but the person saying that town screws everything up?

[Sakura Hana]

And giving them a conf town pass to boot.

[Sakura Hana]

Ehh my thoughts got kinda disconnected there while I was typing and didnt realize that the previous post didnt refer to tip giving a conf town pass to toomai, but yeah that's what I meant.

[Sakura Hana]

Ok 148 is something I can agree that comes more from a town perspective. still veeeery far from conftown tho.

[Sakura Hana]

I hardly think what he did qualifies as a 'conf town pass' in anyone's mind but his. That's pretty obvious. Why are you trying to misrep it otherwise?

What makes you think I meant otherwise?

[Sakura Hana]

The question was asked for a different reason though, still waiting to see if anyone else sees it.

I'd leash the SK, not sure why the question is being asked tho (unless you're crumbing you're SK)

[Sakura Hana]

So, I skimmed some games with multiple people in this game. 1436 comes to mind. It had you, and a member of the sangres and maracas hydrae. You gave Cabd a conftown read after that gambit thing, didn't you? Now, when someone tried to fuck it up, what did he flip?

A cop inno fakecrumb is very different from conftowning someone for screwing up someone else's reaction test.

[Sakura Hana]

Will you shut the hell up about your shitty reaction test.

No, i'll keep it up just to spice you

[Sakura Hana]

Which spice? Personally I'd prefer to be doused in paprika.

Then paprika it is

Tho it was a typo and I meant "spite"

[Sakura Hana]

Unvote
Vote: JacobSavage

And i'm totally not going to put a reason and im going to continue commenting on the reaction test i did earlier.
Tho some people in here might already know why anyway.

[Sakura Hana]

I still like how I claimed Jester on my only Jester game and that got me lynched...

[Sakura Hana]

Everytime I see that emote, it reminds me of Thor.

[Sakura Hana]

I'm really leaning more to the "site inexperience" side

[Sakura Hana]

This game was in the Normal queue tho...

[Sakura Hana]

Sorry, i should have mentioned this yesterday

V/LA Until Monday

[Sakura Hana]

Back for now, prod-doding for the time being because i dont have time to read and i dont want a prod to catch me at work tomorrow.

[Sakura Hana]

I found it suspicious that she decided to put V/La up pretty much right after getting a few votes against her...

So it's scummy of me to go

site-wide

V/LA because I got a few votes in 1 out of a ton of the games im in?

What reaction were you even looking for? The way I understand what happened:
You vote wake88 for *reasons*, presumably a reaction test.
Toomai asked you for reasons for your vote and you ADMIT that it is for reactions (potentially ruining your own "reaction test")
You then get upset at TIP for calling Toomai obvious town.

How did TIP ruin what you were doing?

TIP didn't, but I didn't like how he handed a conftown pass to someone because of someone screwing up a reaction test. I'd think scum Wake would be more likely to flip out towards the naked vote, while town Wake would've asked why.

Sak is L-5

Good to know, are you planning on doing anything else?

Caled could well be scum... I'll have to reread lucid dreamers

Why that game?

caledfwitch needs to do something.

So does Hermy, I'm surprised you haven't mentioned her prod-dodging.

Sorry I haven't posted, I've never played a large game and its kind of hard to follow. Will try to post something later.

Why is it hard to follow?, What are your reads?

I'm not scuuuuum gawd
Guyett, yessiree, caled, do you wanna post content or...?
MVP why focus on Sangres?
Pidgeon stop being so cocky and post some reads will you?

TIP is town. You forgot JacobSavage isnt posting content either tho.

Ok I've done a quick read of Lucid dreamers, its my only game with Caled which I remember and she was scum in it.
She lurked pretty hard through that game too

VOTE: Caled

Have you seen a Caled's town game?
On that note what are your thoughts on the other lurkers like Hermy, Jacob and yesiree?

Guyett could you shut the fuck up for a moment because you're being a hypocrite

lol no.

Pretty much all of her posts have been excuses or prod dodges

I agree with TIP on this

Unvote
Vote: Guyett

Sakura Hana - Scum. I've gone over this before. fluff, game theory.. fucking around with hydra spec. disappearing as soon as some votes rack up (See PV in Marvel vs Dc)

If you really thought I was scum because of that you'd have checked that I had dissapeared site-wide for the weekend.
Oh wait, you're after a mislynch anyways.

On that note if Guyett's scum then Caled's most likely town.

[Sakura Hana]

Scum: Guyett.
Town: RC, AFB.

Pretty small ammount of reads but you know me and my thing with getting decent reads early on during large games.

[Sakura Hana]

You haven't formed an opinion on MC Maraca?

Nope because Cabd. I'll probably do some sort of gambit somewhere midgame and try to figure it out.

[Sakura Hana]

Oh i didn't see that

@Mod: I voted Guyett on 443

[Sakura Hana]

IIRC you townread him sometime day 1 in newbie 1436.

IIRC I also said that I was WKing him for a gambit while i wasnt actually townreading him.

[Sakura Hana]

that's enough activity for me today you guys can have your chitchat and whatnot

Hi, what are your reads.

[Sakura Hana]

that's enough activity for me today you guys can have your chitchat and whatnot

Hi, what are your reads.

[Sakura Hana]

So... Guyett, when are you gonna stop being hypocritical?

[Sakura Hana]

Guess it's a good thing I had this thread bookmarked so i noticed day started early.

[Sakura Hana]

Also almost forgot to answer this:

Scum: Guyett.
Town: RC, AFB.

Pretty small ammount of reads but you know me and my thing with getting decent reads early on during large games.

1) How are you townreading RC.

2) If you're townreading both me/AP and RC, why aren't you trying to get me/AP off RC?

I think his posts come from a town motivation.

I didn't even know you were on RC, so get off RC then. (Yeah I know that's weak but that's kinda all I can come up with atm).

liking likeabauss for town atm.

[Sakura Hana]

What makes you think their excitement is faked?

[Sakura Hana]

I think it's null at best.

I thought it was mentioned already that nacho got his laptop stolen?

[Sakura Hana]

ETL's camping trip, I scumread you, you flipped scum.
Mismatched I town read you in the end and you flipped town.

Can't remember any others.

[Sakura Hana]

^
That was quick

[Sakura Hana]

i want to play.

where did you go

Somewhere you wont find me.

[Sakura Hana]

i dont like your cheekiness

And I liked you more when you were voting scum.

[Sakura Hana]

why is he scum again

Being Hypocritical and selectively scumhunting.

[Sakura Hana]

Are you assuming both of you will be around then still? What is your experience with Cabd that prompts this sentiment towards him?

Maybe, perhaps, I'm assuming I'll either get lynched along the way or will suck at LyLo (tbf i rather get lynched than suck at LyLo).

For the second part: http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=3151

Once again, laying out your sneaky attempts to get reads on people by announcing them kinda beats the purpose.

This would be true if they knew what i was planning on doing and/or when.

[Sakura Hana]

Wrong link: http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=31510

[Sakura Hana]

You ar declaring intent to "gambit" on Cabd. What am I missing here? You just ruined any element of surprise you had in trying to get a genuine reaction from him down the road since he will just assume you are fakeclaiming/gambiting.

He could assume that, he won't know for certain, considering how I caught him last time.

And if you have some sort of investigative role you intend to use on him, you are blowing credit by suggesting any result on him is just a test.

Which would ultimately grab me a few more days alive, wouldnt it?

Its like you are trying to show that you are scumhunting without actually doing it.

I am scumhunting, it's usually not noticed by people tho.

[Sakura Hana]

Hi, i replaced into a game that was in D3 into a scumslot, twice.

Hi, i replaced into a game that was in D1 into a scum slot once and townslot once.

There are your statistics.

[Sakura Hana]

Every game I play with you you scum read me and you've always been wrong

Prove it?

[Sakura Hana]

Of the top of my head
Newbie 1390
We pick
1st meme mafia

I meant more like prove he's wrong here, than prove he's been wrong elsewhere.

[Sakura Hana]

her game feels a little off, especially compared to Newbie 1436.

Funny that you mention this considering my game felt also a little off to you D1 that game. Heck I almost got lynched there until I sacrificed myself for Cabd.

[Sakura Hana]

Still tho, my play being "off" is what was called numerous times in there and almost got me lynched despite me mentioning that it was a new playstyle.

[Sakura Hana]

In either case, in your opinion is my play being "off" indicative of being scum or of being town.

[Sakura Hana]

If I knew that, you wouldn't be in my null pile.

That's fair I guess some people would be paranoid of me after that one game.

[Sakura Hana]

What do you think is the scum-profit in continuing to self-vote at L-2?

I know the answer to that.

But im gonna wait until the intended person answers.

[Sakura Hana]

ANd I put myself to L - 1 before as scum just to stage a meltdown, so I dont see anything remotely townie about selfvoting.

He's trying to get off it by copying my AtE... it's not working.

[Sakura Hana]

659 sure makes me think otherwise.

[Sakura Hana]

Sangres being scum would make sense yes, but you still voting yourself gives no conviction maybe scum buddies?

[Sakura Hana]

Idk, tho I remember ffery liking to hide behind her hydra partners as scum and idk much about scum Nacho but he has a reason for not being around anyway.

[Sakura Hana]

I was scumpartners with her in duck duck goose, her first thing in the scum QT was that she was bad at being scum, and from what i recall GiF did most of the talking, I remember Cabd mentioning sometime that scum ffery in hydra likes to hide behind her hydra partners letting them do all the lifting and stuff.

Basically, i'd rather let Cabd sort this kind of thing out considering he has more experience in being with ffery on hydra as scum.

[Sakura Hana]

yeah ... doesn't stand out as obv scum or I'd put him as scum. he is doing things I've seen him do as either alignment

If it's doing things that he does as either alignment wouldnt that make him full null? where did the scum lean come from then?

Then who does stand out as obv scum?

[Sakura Hana]

yeah ... doesn't stand out as obv scum or I'd put him as scum. he is doing things I've seen him do as either alignment

If it's doing things that he does as either alignment wouldnt that make him full null? where did the scum lean come from then?

Then who does stand out as obv scum?

[Sakura Hana]

Hey Cabd can i steal that checklist?

[Sakura Hana]

Thanks

[Sakura Hana]

Thanks

Since you're here, updated reads from the past few pages?

You seem oddly interested on my reads this game considering you know that I can lie about my reads as town to set up for gambits.

But sure if anything AFB is moving from town to null-town, and TIP is more town, Guyett is more scum, and I still got a null read on you because idk when the heck Mara is posting, so im treating everything as Cabd.

bauss' comments on orc are interesting yes, but i dont think either of them is scum yet. (Inb4 fence sitting).

Idk how the heck to read Cephrir either, at times he looked town and at times scum so that's another null.

MVP is a collection of people whom i dont know the identity, so idk how to read them and im treating them as a single entity instead, null leaning scum.

caledf is being super lurky and is bothering me.

RC is being RC, null.

and the others I haven't formed a decent opinion on yet...

[Sakura Hana]

Townies, please no full reads lists. We are up against a very smart and aggressive scum team. They will leverage your reads list against you. Chase your scum suspects, keep your town reads close for a game day or two.

Excuse me but I was asked a question (And i put most of them in null anyway)

[Sakura Hana]

likeabauss why is AFB scummier than orc considering the supposed meta tell you have from Rank, and why isn't your vote on orc then?

[Sakura Hana]

I'm still townlean on AFB but it's weakened, i'd jump on orc tho, just to see where that goes.

[Sakura Hana]

likeabauss why is AFB scummier than orc considering the supposed meta tell you have from Rank, and why isn't your vote on orc then?

if you're going to repeat what i exactly just said could i at least get some credit

I didn't even realize you said that.

[Sakura Hana]

I'm still townlean on AFB but it's weakened, i'd jump on orc tho, just to see where that goes.

VOTE: sakura

this slot is shit.

That's what you think :>

[Sakura Hana]

pressure votes don't work if you say that it's a pressure vote so there is actually no reason for 901

What makes you think it's a pressure vote? I'm not even voting you and you're already getting like this, guess bauss is right.

Unvote
Vote: orc

My comment was just to see how much conviction did bauss' principle had, but since you choose to jump on me instead I might as well just OMGUS u, since scum doesn't need a reason to vote right? Oh wait i do have one now :>

[Sakura Hana]

My comment was just to see how much conviction did bauss' principle had

Yeah i can post quotes too.

[Sakura Hana]

there is a distinctive lack of town motivation behind your voting

Maybe there is, maybe there isn't, but that isn't for me to say i'll just let people judge my actions.

You however jumped on me when I only made a comment of probably voting you, and I already said I made that comment to see if bauss would decide to go after you today despite what he said.

[Sakura Hana]

Tell you what, if I'm wrong about Rank, I'll change my name to LikeAPuss. Swear to god. And I'll continue to play here on that name.

If I'm wrong about FratBoyz, I'm open to other name suggestions. FratBoyz choice obviously.

If you're town, please don't do things like these, it feels cheap and you're bringing outside influences into the game.

I think orc has already made some scummy reactions so you dont need to rely on your Rank mafia history, what do you think?

[Sakura Hana]

i wonder why people want so badly to find out bauss' conviction on his read on me since he lacks any evidence to produce

No, i was finding his conviction on "letting you live D1" even if your wagon took off rather than just getting you dead today.

[Sakura Hana]

and what would that tell you

We won't find that out now since you screwed it up, tho unlike Toomai, the way you did it was pretty scummy, you just kept standing around there and found the first chance to jump on a townie, the momment i mention an intent to vote you "BAM!" you vote me :>

[Sakura Hana]

Ehh I missed it:

Either your reasoning is missing at the "*" that I marked in the quote, or you're scumreading us because you don't know our identity.
Which one is it, Sakura?

Actually the reason I'm scum-reading you isn't because i didnt know your identity, im just treating you as a single entity. And as a single entity i got a scum lean on you, because even tho I do actually know one of your heads, i'll just take you as a single entity and a player i've never played with since you decide to go with an anonymous hydra, so that's the treatment you'll get.

Well I guess partly of not knowing all members of your hydra is part of it, considering that's what is causing me to read you as a single entity called Player MVP that i've never played with before.

[Sakura Hana]

You left me out

I kind of forgot about you, but it doesn't matter what actual read I have on you.

Not one thing you say in this post is a reason for suspecting someone except "I have a scum lean on you"...???

That's the point and I'm see someone else noticed what I was going for here.

Sakura is keeping her cards a lot closer than she used to. Nacho will probably have a stronger opinion than I do, but I liked her push on you, and I like that she called bauss out for not going after his strongest read.

This is interesting kept my cards closer than I used to in that Newbie game, yet you call it out here but you didnt there, how come?

also btw we should also be considering policying RC today

Why is policy lynching RC more important than lynching supposedly caught scum me?

@bauss is there a particular reason you want wake88/fratbros dead before rank/orc

you're blind

So I'm parroting yet he's blind? selective scumhunting much?

[Sakura Hana]

Ok so why should be considering policy lynching RC when you've supposedly caught scum?

[Sakura Hana]

So you knew my alignment the other game, what info does that give you about this one.

[Sakura Hana]

by your desperation on discrediting me i assume that i am not, however, wrong this time.

It's called questioning whether your actions match your words. But thanks for confirming that they dont since you didnt answer the question and proceeded to discredit me by saying im desperate for discrediting you.

[Sakura Hana]

Knowing what your reads are, and knowing where they come from do help me figure you out, though, and I miss that data.

Half the time, my reads on that game were faked to fool scum. Do you rather me fake my reads here or give you no reads.

[Sakura Hana]

I'd rather you put enough of yourself and your thoughts into your posts that I can read you. That's part of your job if you're town.

I've done so in so far with my back and forth with orc. If that's not enough then I can't help you there for the time being.

[Sakura Hana]

If this is how you're choosing to play the game right now, then you have both the benefits and the drawbacks to deal with.

And i will.
People will eventually get used to my new playstyle. At least it's harder for me to get emotional if i'm emotionless towards things, and it's harder for scum to use my waffleness as a reason to get me lynched.

[Sakura Hana]

You don't seem to be considering you being wrong about your reads tho, you seem fairly convinced.

I on the other hand didnt realize that was the answer to the question so I apologize for that.

[Sakura Hana]

i am fairly convinced, yes.

Which means, you wouldnt ever be considering policy lynching RC, so yeah, your actions dont match your words.

[Sakura Hana]

and how did you miss that it was basically the entire post

I didn't think it was the answer to the question.

[Sakura Hana]

You were already voting me btw.

[Sakura Hana]

I would still consider my policy lynch because I know that RC has to be lynched at some point or other, and leaving you alive for one more day will allow me to consolidate my read on you. So I'd rather RC go day 1 and you go day 2 than RC go day x>1

And why couldnt you have said this when I first questioned you?

[Sakura Hana]

Bauss are you really that sure this guy is scum?...

All I'm getting from my back and forth is that he's most likely town, I doubt scum would be this stubborn to get a mislynch in.

[Sakura Hana]

Pedit: the awkward moment when scum realizes his easy lynch isn't going to work

That awkward momment when you realize that orc is going to be Wisdom Jr.

[Sakura Hana]

Wait a second something's off here...

@MVP: If i'm doing a new playstyle how the heck would you have meta on it to defend me so hard enough

[Sakura Hana]

No, but there's like only 1 completed game I've done with it.

[Sakura Hana]

Then I don't know what you meant by "new", because I don't see much difference.

Being way less emotional for one.

[Sakura Hana]

Ok I think I know 2 of your heads now

[Sakura Hana]

When you walk me through why Guyett is town.

[Sakura Hana]

You forgot to answer this Bauss wrt orc.

Bauss are you really that sure this guy is scum?...

All I'm getting from my back and forth is that he's most likely town, I doubt scum would be this stubborn to get a mislynch in.

[Sakura Hana]

You forgot to answer this Bauss wrt orc.

Bauss are you really that sure this guy is scum?...

All I'm getting from my back and forth is that he's most likely town, I doubt scum would be this stubborn to get a mislynch in.

[Sakura Hana]

So if you're convinced he's scum due to Rank's meta, and you dont want to lynch them D1 because it'd be too cheap of a tactic in your opinion, what's your opinion wrt my back and forth with orc. You surely should have picked something up there.

[Sakura Hana]

Yes

[Sakura Hana]

Yes it does, it's a bit more than what I asked but this is way better, thanks.

[Sakura Hana]

Fuck knows, I've been skimming just trying to keep up. What I've gathered though

Likeabuss's claim to be able to read Rank seems town as fuck, however I'm not sure how valid his read is.

I like yessire's thoughts on wake. From what I've seen of him this replace out does seem totally not himself.

sangres seems to have a hard on for me, not sure why, must be so pretty.

Orc appears to be flailing a little with Buss push on him and try's to defend far to hard against something he can't.

Guyett seems town because of his relaxed attitute, he's actively calling people out and to me he's either motivated town or Serial Killer (tend to be more motivated anyway). TIP doesn't seem to be taking as much of a lead as one would expect, this could be the sheer volume of posts thats been happening or it could be the fact that there are bigger names that him, but either way he's one to watch out for.

anyone that could tell me why this has a high chance of being a scumpost will get... Candy... or something

maybe marameta points

Let's see, he didnt comment on my back and forth with orc.

[Sakura Hana]

anyone who doesn't want to lynch between likeabauss and orcinus is scum

And who do you want to lynch?

[Sakura Hana]

this deliberate selectiveness trying to frame cephrir for thinking that

Uhh trying to frame? what?

[Sakura Hana]

Oh I get it. nevermind.

Anyway, why did the first thing that ocurred to you was that I was "selective quoting to frame cephrir" instead of "missing what cephrir meant to say with that comment"?

[Sakura Hana]

It's not always what it looks like, but orc's jump looks to me like he's just grapsing at straws =/ like srsly. Every single thing I do he makes it look the scummiest possible ever.

PEd: I think several people have told you i'm this stupid, and my native language isn't english, and I sux at seeing sarcasm (unless it's thor who has sarcasm in like every post).

[Sakura Hana]

but the editing out the words and pics makes it look intentional to me.

I didn't "Edit out" anything I just highlighted the part that jumped to me and clicked the quote button, I thought you'd have seen that's what I do everytime I quote something.

But ok i'll run you through my thought process when I saw Ceph's post.

1) I saw the obvious picture saying Egocentric, and i was like "wth?"
2) I read he quoted that thing bauss said and then made a comment saying people not on either of the 2 was scum.
3) I thought he thought one of the 2 was scum and was pushing people to take a side.
4) I didnt remember who Cephrir was voting so I looked at the last vote count.
5) He wasn't voting either of the 2 so that jumped out to me and I asked him the question.

[Sakura Hana]

If you're on that list, I'd love to answer questions or hear your opinion about my read or case on FratBros in 1048. I can clarify any points that aren't clear and lay out more complete logic behind each.

I didnt think your case on him was that strong, but they saying I "Edited out" parts of a post purposelly to try to frame someone when I already mentioned I didn't, and when it's obvious that I do "Highlight > Quote" 98% of the time qhen I quote something looks... kinda he's siding with orc just to get a reason to be able to reverse his read on me somewhere in the future.

[Sakura Hana]

and when i put in the effort and get flashwagoned for no fucking reason

Maybe if you weren't trying to get me mislynched with BS reasons I wouldn't see you as scum.

[Sakura Hana]

@Cabd: My inactivity is called being on a weekend and having monday off work so preferring to play other games than come here and post.

[Sakura Hana]

Bauss, you can read Rank very well right? You're sure his slot is scum right?
Why are you not voting for that slot?

Inb4 orc thinks you're scum, for parroting again the exact same question he asked and I asked.

[Sakura Hana]

Sakura Hana - why would you change your meta this game?? wouldn't acting town give you a better chance

1) It's not

this

game, i changed it like a game or 2 ago, and why, because i dont have fun if i'm raging at people.

[Sakura Hana]

Yes: http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=31510

[Sakura Hana]

How can you possibly think both likeabauss and orc are both scum? what does the italic mean? why are you voting guyett instead of orc if you think both are scum?

[Sakura Hana]

Me thinks that either

1) He's not really watcher at all and he picked a random target who he doesn't believe anyone would have visited.
or
2) He's really watcher, watched a PR and found someone that he suspects is doc/nurse and wants to kill them without suspicion flying back to him.

I can't see a town watcher checking Wake of all people after yesterday.

VOTE: FuzzyButternut

Wrong thread.

[Sakura Hana]

So why isn't orc dead yet.

[Sakura Hana]

just hammer without a claim from him.

Why

[Sakura Hana]

lol

this game tho

You got yourself into this.

[Sakura Hana]

A real townie would claim when they have an intent to hammer on them.

[Sakura Hana]

If someone doesnt give an intent that is at least 24 hours and orc flips town (which i doubt) that'd be a red alarm.

[Sakura Hana]

Except you dont decide when people claim.

[Sakura Hana]

Also, I told him to claim at L-2 to avoid quickhammers that might even come from town (read: Saki) and only sets us back
But he's scum so

And

we

DO decide when people claim, if he chooses not to that's on him and he can't moan like he's moaning now

Exactly... We... not You.

[Sakura Hana]

You meant you as in me, TheIrishPope?

Yes

[Sakura Hana]

How about if I decided that you should claim now TIP? The only reason for orc to claim if he's town is if he's run up to L-1 and has an Intent to hammer on him, not an intent to L-1. And why are we even discussing this, there's no reason for him to claim at all if no one wants to hammer him.

[Sakura Hana]

Oh dear...

[Sakura Hana]

And you spoiled it before orc reacted because?

[Sakura Hana]

Oh because Orc would just see a vote and wouldn't check if it was real hammer
Dat logic

Why didnt you wait to find out?

[Sakura Hana]

SO INTENSE

ikr.

[Sakura Hana]

Unvote

Bauss care to walk me why Rank would not have subbed out as town cop?

[Sakura Hana]

*walk me through

[Sakura Hana]

Vote: orc

[Sakura Hana]

Bauss what do you think of AFB declaring intent on orc.

[Sakura Hana]

i'm impressed at how bauss managed to get me lynched by being retarded and spouting blatant bullshit

I think I was the one that got you lynched when you overreacted over me saying "If i vote orc"

[Sakura Hana]

idk, but cop is like one of the easiest claims as scum.

[Sakura Hana]

^
So says the guy that was 100% sure orc was scum just because he didnt claim at L-2

[Sakura Hana]

So let me get this straight.

You asked him to claim at L-2 because you wanted to vote him, and because you feared quick hammers.
Then he doesnt claim and you vote him and dont care about intents anymore because he's scum.
So he claims cop after AFB's intent and he's suddenly town?

[Sakura Hana]

Whoever isn't voting orc, just hammer without a claim from him.

I would like to quote this too.

[Sakura Hana]

Unvote
Vote: TIP

[Sakura Hana]

Don't you see how this logic is infallible?

I don't see how it's infallible, but all I see is that your logic seems wrong and inconsistent. You did say you would rather have orc hammered without a claim, and now that he claimed you're back pedaling, If a claim wouldn't change your PoV enough to make you back pedal why are you insisting on letting him live then?

Only thing I can think of is that you're either his scum partner, or you're scum and know he's town and hence you're backing of to get town cred for saving a PR.

[Sakura Hana]

I agree with Cabd

Unvote
Vote: caled

[Sakura Hana]

Sakura I don't like you just mindlessly sheeping cabd

And I don't like you posturing and sitting on the fence.

[Sakura Hana]

I'm really not liking the quick wagon build up on the easy reason of 'lurkeromgmustbescum'.

I'm not voting caled for this reason what makes you feel that way?

[Sakura Hana]

He's been basically sitting out most of the day and has a fraction of the interactions available for analysis compared to almost anyone else.

*

she

And isn't that basically something beneficial for scum?

[Sakura Hana]

Tho if you want an interaction, there's a golden one right here:

I don't really believe in orc's claim, but it seems like an easy wagon so I'm also hesitant to vote for him.

Which is the reason im voting her.

[Sakura Hana]

So RC, I've read through that one newbie game where you replaced jmo who was replacing a troll where you self-hammered, and also read your game with newbscum Saki. And I think you're quite an interesting fellow, tell me why caled isn't happening.

[Sakura Hana]

someone makes perfectly decent case

Isn't that reason enough?, also:

No, you're voting Caled because you blatantly sheeped MC.

Incorrect, when I checked the thread both caled and MC had already posted, since MC said exactly what I was thinking i saw no point in repeating it.

[Sakura Hana]

Scumteam of at least hermy+caled+orc calling it now.

[Sakura Hana]

JS, caled, RC.

Then how about we lynch caled today

[Sakura Hana]

Unvote
Vote: Orc

[Sakura Hana]

Unvote
Vote: caled

[Sakura Hana]

You do realize orc can just go and clear his partners if he's scum right?

Unvote
Vote: orc

Sorry for my previous posts but didnt have anything interesting to say since every1 had already covered what I was going to say anyway =/

That's L-1 btw.

[Sakura Hana]

Cops dont act scummy.

[Sakura Hana]

Cops dont act scummy.

This is one of the dumbest posts I have ever seen

Cool that was one of the dumbest posts I have ever seen too.

[Sakura Hana]

My apologies for my previous posts, I had accumulated a lot of stress from work and I'm still having issues with my boss (i'm at the point of breaking out and quitting my job), i wouldnt mind if you guys decide to lynch me over it but w/e, idc, life > mafia anyway, also i'm gonna say that my activity is gonna lower until something happens, and i dont know when that will happen so it's for an indefinite ammount of time.

[Sakura Hana]

Town-Sakura is many things. This dumb, she is not.

And that little ATE about lynching her is one of the worst emulations of her town ATE I've seen in a long time.

I could care less what you think about me, I was and still am stressed because my boss is an a-hole, well then sorry for having a life, that's like the worst reason ever to flip a read on someone that i'm thinking you might be scum after all.

On a more interesting note: Why would me being dumber than usual, make me more likely to be scum than town?

[Sakura Hana]

uummmm... IDK, I'm talking to him about it but, if it matters I still you think have a good chance of being town

Well damn right, because I consider that statement an insult to my scumgame. Specially considering that I consider my scumgame stronger than my towngame.

[Sakura Hana]

So i guess unless two of caled/TIP/sangres votes orc in the last hour im p.much dead now, well good luck tomorrow then, at least on the plus side i dont have to read the last few pages now.

[Sakura Hana]

Site being down ate my reads list plus a self-vote to avoid no lynch.

Well i dont think two of them will vote me either, so let me help with that.

Unvote
Vote: Sakura

On to the reads list i don't have much time as i'm leaving for work but i wont be here by deadline so i'm thinking Maracabd is scum, that kind of 180ing on me for that BS reason is BS, considering what happened on Monks and Masons.
JS jump on me was unexpected and oportunistic, guess he's scum too.
orc is obv. scum
AFB, Cephrir and sangres are town, never lynch them

P-Edit: Oh well guess it'll be a self-hammer to avoid no lynch.

[Sakura Hana]

At least I felt like I was trying to find the scum team, but that does seem too OP for town... I'm going to honor the scumteam's resign and not mark this as a win but as a Draw.

[Sakura Hana]

ftr by the end of D1 i was planning on gambit CCing orc, but decided to just suicide.

[Sakura Hana]

No, town won.

Even if you say that... it doesnt feel the same.

[Sakura Hana]

Well at least im happy i found half the team by the end of D1.

[Sakura Hana]

If town wants to be blind I will do the heavy lifting myself.

Heh, reminds me of that one newbie game where i fakecrumbed a cop inno on my strongest townread, he still got lynched in the end tho...

[Sakura Hana]

what
the
fuck
just
happened

Scum conceded, that's what.