NY 167: COMPLETELY NORMAL Mafia (GAME OVER)

[Hermy]

Hi everyone

VOTE: TheIrishPope

[Hermy]

Would anybody care to explain what exactly I've done wrong?

[Hermy]

Holy crickets. I self-voted in Ly-Lo
- Once
- In my first newbie game
- When I was extremely pissed off
- And was going to get lynched anyway

I've never done it otherwise. Ugh. It was a one off, I feel stupid for doing so, but I'd truly prefer it if I wasn't labelled as bad for something I did ONCE, ages ago

[Hermy]

I know.
And it was my RVS vote.
You getting this pissy about it is giving me bad vibes.

I got annoyed because I'm not 'known' for it. I did it once. I don't like to be mislabeled.

[Hermy]

You were pretty known that day on site chat i'm sure.

When Cabd jumped and said "Hey Sakura, I saw someone who self-voted in LyLo!"

*siiigh* Yeah, probably.
Not in the best of moods today, nothing to do with this. Sorry.

[Hermy]

@Hermy

Who do you think is scum and why?[/quote]
Sakura, due to popping in a few posts made to look like participating. Not a fan of that.
To a certain extent Radiant. I know that his posts are sort of how he plays, but... only sort of.

Those are my only two at the moment. My scumreads aren't great near the start of a game. I have a fair few townreads though.

VOTE: Sakura for being my top scumread.

[Hermy]

Oops, screwed up the quote tags.

[Hermy]

Prod dodge. In a few ours I'll post useful stuff ^_______^

[Hermy]

*hours

[Hermy]

@Radiant - Why did you feel the need to post stuff like the 'I'm town stuff' and the whole bit about the scumteam with one being bulletproof and all that?

@Guyett - Why do you classify joking around as a towntell?

@People who haven't voted yet - Why haven't you voted for anyone yet?

[Hermy]

@MC Maraca - Just out of interest, what does AMOL mean? I Googled it but I don't think I got the right definition.

[Hermy]

I'm not a fan of how quickly the votes for Guyett built up. Too many, too quickly. And some of the people voting for him aren't all that town-y to me. I didn't like Guyett's self-vote, but it could just be irritated/panicked town.

RC has decided to go lurky for a few days, and waited for suspicion to be drawn to other people.

I'm liking orincus as town right now.

Hermy will post a nice and detailed reads list whenever she motivates herself to go check this website on her computer, as she does not have the willpower to do so on her iPod.

I'm not a fan of JS's ISO, and I'm townreading near enough the entire wagon.

VOTE: JS

[Hermy]

Townies, please no full reads lists. We are up against a very smart and aggressive scum team. They will leverage your reads list against you. Chase your scum suspects, keep your town reads close for a game day or two.

M'kay. Many pages ago I was asked for townreads but eeh, good point.

[Hermy]

Y'know what likeabauss? Fine. You'll get what you want. If Orci flips scum then... well done. If he flips town then you get lynched. Alright?

VOTE: Orci

[Hermy]

I'm liking orincus as town right now.

Why?
[/quote]
Well, I WAS reading Orci as town before that stupid scummy-as-hell rage thing. Just because... I liked his posts. They looked like out-of-the-ordinary-town posts.
(awful reasoning, I know.)

[Hermy]

Whoops, screwed up the quote tag

[Hermy]

Y'know what likeabauss? Fine. You'll get what you want. If Orci flips scum then... well done. If he flips town then you get lynched. Alright?

VOTE: Orci

Thanks man! But I'm actually pushing to lynch AngryFratBros for today. Orci is also scum, but FratBoys goes first in my book.

Alright then.

VOTE: AngryFratBros

Let's just hope this read of yours is correct. I'm almost 100% sure you're town, so hopefully you won't get lynched the next day...

[Hermy]

Caled, the reads list idea/offer was retracted. I was told that it's not a good idea at that time or something of the sort.

[Hermy]

That wagon built up waaaay to slowly and dispersed waaay too quickly. Compare this to Caled, whose wagon built up so quickly. As much as Caled's post was terrible, I'm really not liking the quick wagon build up on the easy reason of 'lurkeromgmustbescum'. Lynch Orc. Perhaps I'm being stupid by following Bauss here, but I'm pretty confident about OrcScum.
VOTE: Orcinus
Lynch now.

[Hermy]

Do NOT lynch Caled until we have more proof than just 'lurker who made a bad post'! I refuse. She may well be scum, but I want better proof. We have so many scummier people to lynch: Orc... Guyett... AFB...

[Hermy]

I'm really not liking the quick wagon build up on the easy reason of 'lurkeromgmustbescum'.

I'm not voting caled for this reason what makes you feel that way?

No, you're voting Caled because you blatantly sheeped MC.

[Hermy]

Also, I love how the majority of the Caled wagon is comprised of scummy people...
The Caled wagon:
(someone makes perfectly decent case; VOTE)
(I agree; VOTE)
(I agree too; VOTE)
(I also agree, join the wagon; VOTE)

Not liking this at all.

[Hermy]

I refuse to change my vote.
(Unless there is a miracle and an AFB wagon forms; then I'll join if it means he'll get lynched)

Want lynched: Orc or AFB
Okay with: Guyett

The real cop is being wise with not claiming. Orc failed at getting a PR to claim.

[Hermy]

Caled is town this is a scum led lynch.

^ that

[Hermy]

The last ten or so pages make me feel nauseous. We've got to hurry up and lynch the scum that is Orcinus. The deadline is approaching. If the Caled lynch goes through and she flips town then I'm going to 'I told you so' every single person on the wagon. A lot.

[Hermy]

VOTE: Orcinus

[Hermy]

L-1

[Hermy]

Sorry, I just skimmed through the thread. I've learnt my lesson about actually reading the thread before posting.

[Hermy]

Skim: I read the first few posts, skim the next page looking at votecounts, vote without thinking, go back to sleep.

[Hermy]

Honest answer.

[Hermy]

Scum look for correct answers and solutions. Town tend to answer honestly (from what I can tell).

[Hermy]

Just in case that last post seems badly worded, what I meant:
Scum look TO ANSWER WITH correct answers and solutions.

[Hermy]

@Hermy, okay, let's say you read every post prior to your L-1 vote, what would you have done in that situation?

As bad as it is, probably nothing. I'd have waited until the evening or afternoon for interesting stuff to come up.

[Hermy]

VOTE: Hermy
There is no other lynch happening today.

a) What makes you think so?
b) Please do elaborate or post something more. All I've seen from you this game is a bunch of short posts and in general not much in the way of useful contribution.

[Hermy]

Prod dodge. Just a sec.

[Hermy]

Maraca's claim is one that could pretty easily is faked (and looks to be). Apart from most of the case that people have already posted, it's something that can easily be correlated with real PRs. By that I mean that if Orc did make the kill and someone like a tracker saw, then it's easy to seem genuine when you're mafia and know of kills. It's also easy to go and say 'oh, we have a protective PR'. Also, rather remarkable how she has survived this long, and how she got scum N1 (despite a few of the 'Orc doesn't seem like scum' posts) and a PR on N2. Nice way to look all towny by being 'oh so helpful' to the town. Possible indication of a rolecop in the mafia if they did somehow find a Doc.

More evidence supporting Orc making the kill is that perhaps the other mafia members are people highly suspected by us already. And they sent Orc to kill, in fear of being tracked. It could possibly be just because of all of the 'Orc'll be lynched soon anyway' but they did have a chance of Orc getting through with the claim an having an extra day or two of trying to lure the real cop (if we have one) out.

So yeah, there's my thought process at the moment.

[Hermy]

Also, TIP, how about you share some of that nice stuff called logical reasoning instead of just saying 'so and so is scum', 'so and so is town'? Is it really that difficult to help contribute a bit more? Your play looks like calculated lurking, posting something that is pseudo-useful but very short.

[Hermy]

So,
1. You call me out on posting
2. You don't call RC out on posting
3. You call one night being remarkable for how long a PR has survived
4. You fail to see the WIFOM scum can create by leaving it alive
5. Do you even logic bro

1. Indeed.
2. RC has posted way less useless/semi-useless crap.
3. Technically two.
4. I can see the WIFOM possibility but I don't think this is the case here.
5. Yes, I do 'logic'.

So, how about you tell me your opinion on Maraca. Town or scum? Any extra observations? Other scumreads?

[Hermy]

@GM - That cat is so adorable. And this is coming from me, and I normally dislike cats. But that cat is really cute ^__^

[Hermy]

A reads list, because I feel like it.

1. MC Maraca - Null/Leaning Scum - I'm not a fan of some of your reads. Please elaborate on stuff like TIP, because not everyone has the time to go and scan through a metric crapton of games to see all this trusting and meta stuff.
2. Cephrir - Leaning Scum - Your play yesterday was pretty good. Your play today is nowhere near as good. You just randomly jump on the Guyett wagon. I don't think I've seen anything useful today, but let's see how this read goes tomorrow.
3. Sakura Hana - Dead, idiotic mislynch.
4. sangres - Null/Leaning Town - WAS leaning town but the recent lack of activity has dropped the read a bit.
5. JacobSavage - Null/Leaning Scum - High lurking level. Although I prefer to have something extra before I establish a proper scumread.
6. MVP - Dead
7. caledfwitch - Wait, she's still in this game?
8. Guyett - Null/Leaning Town - I haven't really seen anything overly scummy from him. Nothing super-town either though. Would somebody care to explain the while wagon situation?
9. likeabauss - Dead
10. orcinus_theoriginal - Dead, should've been lynched a day earlier than he was.
11. Angry Frat BROs - Scum - General play, plus meta from one or two others, plus likeabauss's good case on him/them.
12. Hermy - N/A
13. PeregrineV - Null/Leaning Town - Ever so slight townread for recent stuff, but please post a bit more.
14. RadiantCowbells - Town - General play looks great.
15. Toomai - Null/Leaning Town - Balance of good and bad posts, slightly more good posts. Oh, and I like your graph.
16. yessiree - Null - Yeah, just null.
17. TheIrishPope - Scum - Lack of useful activity, intelligent posts and any useful play whatsoever. Posted a little bit more

after being called out for lack of stuff

, but the 'more' was still mainly crap.

I believe the best place for my vote at the moment is VOTE: AFB, as there is a higher chance of this scumread being lunched.

[Hermy]

11. Angry Frat BROs - Scum - General play, plus meta from one or two others, plus likeabauss's good case on him/them.

Meta, what meta?

14. RadiantCowbells -

Town

- General play looks great.
17. TheIrishPope -

Scum

-

Lack of useful activity, intelligent posts and any useful play whatsoever

. Posted a little bit more after being called out for lack of stuff, but the 'more' was still mainly crap.

You're kidding, right?

a. I think RC (if I'm not mistaken) and possibly someone else said somethig about how this is BRO's scumgame.
b. No

[Hermy]

Cough she's scumreading me because I suspected her cough

Oh yeah, totally (sarcasm). Y'know, apart from me having to call you out on lack of usefulness and all that.

[Hermy]

14. RadiantCowbells - Town - General play looks great.

What the peppermints?

Not liking the rest of that reads list. It's mostly "general stuff" with no specifics.

Define 'general stuff'.

[Hermy]

Is it a coincidence that the people refusing to vote AFB are mainly my scumreads?

[Hermy]

You and AFB are being scumread for many other reasons, and many of my Leaning Scum reads aren't really suspecting me that much.

[Hermy]

Do you even read the thread?

[Hermy]

Guyett, please give me a good explanation of how the hell TIP's crappy play is 'probably town'.

[Hermy]

Guyett, please give me a good explanation of how the hell TIP's crappy play is 'probably town'.

it looks like his town play. Others who know him quite well have said he is town. I can't imagine they'd meta town read him this hard if both were scum.

The one person who meta-townread him that I can think of right now is Maraca. Some of the smart people (read: people pushing for AFB) are scumreading her.
And personally I'd think that one would push on a meta HARDER if one was on a scumteam with whoever they were meta-ing.
I think people are just letting TIP get away with crap and not doing anything about it. And it really annoys me.
And if you still insist that it's his meta and blah and all that, then it still doesn't stop you from making him do some actual work instead of strolling about and posting the occasional crap-filled post.

And please, nobody tell me about how they don't want me in LyLo before they take a look at TIP's play.

[Hermy]

Maraca, let me just make sure...
Although I highly doubt you ARE in fact a town PR... you uh... investigated someone... you were strongly townreading in this game... because of a completely different game that had nothing to do with this one... instead of going and investigating a scumread of yours in this game, although that would have been the logical choice...
Okay...

[Hermy]

Oh, did you already post something similar to what I said? I just went and skimmed the four or so pages that I had to read so I may have missed it.

[Hermy]

Is there anything town still needs to do, or are we free to hammer?

[Hermy]

Is there anything town still needs to do, or are we free to hammer?

Stop being fucking worthless and read the conversation we're having.

Or are you going to derphammer again to cut it off.

Because yelling insults and profanity helps the town ever so much...