NY 167: COMPLETELY NORMAL Mafia (GAME OVER)

[Doctor Jekyll]

Hello, friends!

VOTE: MVP

Because I feel like it.

~Jekyll

[Doctor Jekyll]

Quite interesting that you'd call for a PL on hermy when you've done almost all the same things as her in the past, sakura.

Pray tell?

~Jekyll

[Doctor Jekyll]

VOTE: Hermy

Yep.

townread on,Sakura Hana, but light.

Tim Tebow

We are relieved to learn that our random vote has landed in an intelligent place!

Would anybody care to explain what exactly I've done wrong?

This isn't the towniest reaction I have ever seen.

Hyde

[Doctor Jekyll]

If we don't know each other, then the question isn't quite so strange.

Well, then.
Back to my question.
What of that bothered you? Because that post looked quite normal to me.

-L. J.

Where did you get 'bothered' from a simple question? Why are you so bothered about her botheredness?

~Jekyll

[Doctor Jekyll]

If we don't know each other, then the question isn't quite so strange.

Well, then.
Back to my question.
What of that bothered you? Because that post looked quite normal to me.

-L. J.

Where did you get 'bothered' from a simple question? Why are you so bothered about her botheredness?

~Jekyll

I am bothered about her botheredness of that post because it somewhat bothers me how her question bothers my inner senses enough to be bothered enough to ask such a bothersome question.
tl;dr - It's awkward to me to see her pick up on things like that. It might be my memory failing me, but I don't remember her playing like this the last time I played with her.

This isn't the towniest reaction I have ever seen.

Then what kind of reaction would it be?

-L. J.

Surely you must be joking.

Is it possible? Could I have found scum on page 1? That'd be a first.

-Hyde

[Doctor Jekyll]

Actually, good question for everyone. SK is found day one. Lynch or leash? Give reasoning, there will be a grading rubric.

I don't see the point in trying to control a third party who has essentially already lost all hope of winning. There's no reason for them to follow along.

We think leash in the short run, and kill immediately upon deviation. We also feel like it's probably a moot point.

[Doctor Jekyll]

A little. It's more the body of work, they haven't said anything that sounded right to me. They are asking a lot of pointless questions.

-Hyde

[Doctor Jekyll]

I know.
And it was my RVS vote.
You getting this pissy about it is giving me bad vibes.

Elaborate. Stat. Specifically wrt her most recent post.

-Hyde

[Doctor Jekyll]

Well that's better...

And that post doesnt seem faked anyway, now I'd rather lynch this guy

Unvote
Vote: Wake

Better, I think, but we'll see.

I have gut scum on Wake88, based on his approach into this game, particularly the SK speculation, avoiding meaningful discussion.

If you weren't reaction testing, why not say this in the first place?

Most of the time, Town fucks up everything

Last time i did a gambit i got a conf town, but town lynched him anyway.
Then i found both scum and subtly stated the plan for LyLo since i was conf town and was dying, but town didnt see it.

Yeah I concede... town does fuck up everything, maybe i shouldn't even play since town is gonna fuck up everything right?

Nope, I still will try, and I don't find any town motivation behind someone screwing other people's plans, and you giving him a conf town pass is even worse

Unvote
Vote: tippy

I yell at people for screwing up my plans, with mixed results. Does voting them make them stop?

As someone who constantly walks into others' plans and reaction tests and ruins them, it does not. See what I did there, maybe?

~Jekyll

[Doctor Jekyll]

I say we lynch TIP today, who wants to hamma?

>isn't voting TIP

Also, lynching TIP is pretty antitown when the hydras will know whether he's scum within five more pages.

Sadly I'm actually townreading this post though.

~Jekyll

[Doctor Jekyll]

I say we lynch TIP today, who wants to hamma?

>isn't voting TIP

Also, lynching TIP is pretty antitown when the hydras will know whether he's scum within five more pages.

Sadly I'm actually townreading this post though.

~Jekyll

does that matter? I want TIP dead regardless

dead.

Let me think about that. Hm. Well, if you... mmhm... YES. YES IT DOES.

-Hyde

[Doctor Jekyll]

Ok 148 is something I can agree that comes more from a town perspective. still veeeery far from conftown tho.

It is? How is that the case? Grasping for straws? You feel fake to me.

~Jekyll

[Doctor Jekyll]

Ok 148 is something I can agree that comes more from a town perspective. still veeeery far from conftown tho.

It is? How is that the case? Grasping for straws? You feel fake to me.

~Jekyll

Ceph, sakura. Sakura, ceph.

Are you sure it's always this bad? I want to lynch just about every post in her Iso.

-Hyde

[Doctor Jekyll]

I say we lynch TIP today, who wants to hamma?

>isn't voting TIP

Also, lynching TIP is pretty antitown when the hydras will know whether he's scum within five more pages.

Sadly I'm actually townreading this post though.

~Jekyll

so, there's this

and it comes after this

no, that was mara!

I think I wanna kill TIP

Jekyl, what do you think of that post, and why didn't you mention it when you made that post?

We are one of the hydrae that will know "TIP is scum" within the next few pages, yet I have already shown dislike for his play so far.

Good point, I guess we missed that. Why aren't you voting TIP?

Incidentally, I don't know that I think his play here is matching what I expect to see, either.

~Jekyll

[Doctor Jekyll]

I say we lynch TIP today, who wants to hamma?

>isn't voting TIP

Also, lynching TIP is pretty antitown when the hydras will know whether he's scum within five more pages.

Sadly I'm actually townreading this post though.

~Jekyll

does that matter? I want TIP dead regardless

dead.

Hanging town is not how town wins at this game. Go back to "Mafia for dummies" or GTFO scum.

VOTE: yessiree

hmmmm how did I miss this gem back there

presuming that someone(TIP in this case) is town lies within the scum mentality

VOTE: likeabauss

Holy complete lack of image management, Batman!

Please don't lynch me.

I'm town.

...???

~Jekyll

[Doctor Jekyll]

VOTE: Hermy

Yep.

townread on,Sakura Hana, but light.

Tim Tebow

We are relieved to learn that our random vote has landed in an intelligent place!

Would anybody care to explain what exactly I've done wrong?

This isn't the towniest reaction I have ever seen.

Hyde

So the person I voted had a scummy reaction but you still don't like my post? Okay. Seems kinda counter-intuitive but hey, that's just me.

Yes, it is just you. The scummy reaction came second.

I say we lynch TIP today, who wants to hamma?

>isn't voting TIP

Also, lynching TIP is pretty antitown when the hydras will know whether he's scum within five more pages.

Sadly I'm actually townreading this post though.

~Jekyll

does that matter? I want TIP dead regardless

dead.

Hanging town is not how town wins at this game. Go back to "Mafia for dummies" or GTFO scum.

VOTE: yessiree

You get a townread. I really liked this post.

You sure are handing those out like candy on little basis. This one was an especially easy post to make.

-Hyde

[Doctor Jekyll]

So, I skimmed some games with multiple people in this game. 1436 comes to mind. It had you, and a member of the sangres and maracas hydrae. You gave Cabd a conftown read after that gambit thing, didn't you? Now, when someone tried to fuck it up, what did he flip?

A cop inno fakecrumb is very different from conftowning someone for screwing up someone else's reaction test.

Will you shut the hell up about your shitty reaction test.

-Hyde

[Doctor Jekyll]

Which spice? Personally I'd prefer to be doused in paprika.

[Doctor Jekyll]

I'm town guys.

Don't lynch me please.

I once saw a jester on another site do this exact thing over and over until he was lynched.

[I won't sign my posts if there is no reason to]

[Doctor Jekyll]

there is?!

O_O|

Have I ever talked at you about how much I hate this emoticon? I guess I learned my lesson after I lynched it incorrectly.

No it ain't.

Vote: TheIrishPope for that needless buddying.

This is some shit I do like.

Fair enough.

Are you sure it's always this bad? I want to lynch just about every post in her Iso.

-Hyde

You've played with her before, you tell me.

I have? I don't remember that.

Cephrir, I like your experiment thus far!

Thanks! I'm enjoying it.

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... er_sort=Go

Counterpoint: Have you ever seen him not do that? I don't think I have.

I hate all the dishing out of town reads. "Ur town. Town there. There. And there too!"

Keep that crap to yourself. Your town reads on D1 don't help other townies lynch scum today. All it does is setup scenarios and leverage plays for scum to start working on and lining up. If you want to help scum, keep it up. When you want to start helping town, start pointing out shady buggers and applying heat.

TIP is unique. Apparently his meta is so obviously transparent, that he gets sorted quickly and with ease (from those that know him.) At least two of those players are here, in separate hydra slots. Ill bet good money that they'll declare him town or scum before days end, and they'll be right. Not only would I prefer NOT to hang somebody that is so easily sorted (before them being sorted obviously), I'm highly suspicious of anybody who wants to hang that fellow. Its scummy as hell.

:goodposting:

I hate all the dishing out of town reads. "Ur town. Town there. There. And there too!"

Keep that crap to yourself.

It generates discussion, reactions, and activity. Like this:

VOTE: likeabauss

:badposting:

~Jekyll

[Doctor Jekyll]

I've seen enough.

VOTE: TIP

-Hyde

[Doctor Jekyll]

Hey so which head is domanant this game, ceph?

Now now, that would be telling.

Oh and I'm thinking this is town tippy, will see what mara thinks when she awakes.

Aw, did I lose? =(

P-edit: Man I could policy this thing if it keeps up.

I disapprove!

~Jekyll

[Doctor Jekyll]

Hrm. I'd ask you to walk me through TIP, but I expect you probably won't be willing to.

I'm sorry to hear that. I would tell you to let certain others deal with me, but ya know, there's this whole thing I'm doing just to fuck with them, so yeah.

P.S. Why are you still random voting?

~Jekyll

[Doctor Jekyll]

P.P.S.

Unvote, Vote: Sakura Hana

[Doctor Jekyll]

As a party rapidly getting tired of this conversation, I'll just go ahead and spoil the fact that RadiantCowbells is not, in fact, a blithering idiot, though he is doing his best impression of one.

[Doctor Jekyll]

Hrm. I'd ask you to walk me through TIP, but I expect you probably won't be willing to.

I'm sorry to hear that. I would tell you to let certain others deal with me, but ya know,

there's this whole thing I'm doing just to fuck with them

, so yeah.

P.S. Why are you still random voting?

~Jekyll

This may not be working out as you think.

Yeah, I know, but I'm still amusing myself, I suppose.

~Jekyll

[Doctor Jekyll]

UNVOTE:
VOTE: yessiree

Cephrir, I'm going to start calling you Saint K. Mara scumreads you, I townread you. Guess who was right in the end about Saint K in paradox? (Hint it was me bevcause mara's reads suck)

Funny, I seem to recall Marangal adopting this exact strategy towards me in a certain other game!

it isn't exactly Meta

the way Ceph defends TIP, while forgetting that I had made something of a stance on him that was a little strange was reminiscent of Cabds position towards TIP in a game where TIP and I were town, and where he was scum.

I think he's taking a neutral stance on TIP because he knows that he can be easy mis-lynch bait, if we don't properly read him (which has happened before)

This post is fucking ludicrous.

VOTE: sangres

Just hoping a wagon would materialize here, or do you actually have a reason?

-Hyde

[Doctor Jekyll]

ffery is not being town enough and it worries me.

-L. J.

My thoughts exactly! But I've learned to give her time.

~Jekyll

[Doctor Jekyll]

@Bros: We didn't feel Sakura's one post at that point could possibly merit a light townread, nor should it have been worth mentioning. At least they've been consistent with the handing out townreads like candy, though.

[Doctor Jekyll]

I should be able to get to this tomorrow.

[Doctor Jekyll]

To quickly answer the really obvious question though, my signature contains all the information you need about who's behind this account

[Doctor Jekyll]

What's your point?

His point is obv "please vig me! I have this big red target behind my back!".

-L. J.

What if I ended up being vigged and flipped a confirmable town role, such as Mason or Innocent Child or Beloved, who was trying to bait reactions since looking scummy isn't an object for someone who isn't going to end up being lynched anyway?

Then you would have only yourself to blame. Because right now you are doing your damnedest to make sure this happens. Not to mention getting run up and having to claim Mason would hardly help your cause. Meanwhile you aren't using your scumhunting ability to help the town.

What on earth could you get out of a reaction test in which you are deliberately scummy? You can't possibly tell me it would be scummy if someone suspected you for this stupid garbage. I know you're a much better player than this because I've seen you do it, so get with the program.

-Hyde

[Doctor Jekyll]

I know you're a much better player than this because I've seen you do it, so get with the program.

source

I was actually referring to the time I ran into you on Epicmafia (shortly before I quit). You do know who we are, yes? You were insanely hypertown, though you did fail to scumhunt us

And even your mediocre play in NY165 was way better than this stupidity.

[Doctor Jekyll]

As someone who constantly walks into others' plans and reaction tests and ruins them, it does not. See what I did there, maybe?

Why did you post this?

Because it's true?

Also, lynching TIP is pretty antitown when the hydras will know whether he's scum within five more pages.

Sadly I'm actually townreading this post though.

I got the same gut feel for yesiree, lets talk about it. What felt good about him to you?

And who claimed to be able to read TIP well?

P-edit: hullo ffery. Are we finally on the same team this game?

Mostly I thought those posts were too flagrantly antitown to come from scum. I know I'd be nervous making those posts as scum, and I'd probably end up not posting at all. Naturally this isn't logic I like to use often, but, yeah.

Pretty sure I've never played a game with town-you, so

Having not played with me-town before matters, because?

I wasn't trolling, I was opening a dialogue. You are a strong town player, I want you close regardless. What are your thoughts on Cabd? Also tell Nacho to get his ass in here.

It matters because I have a hell of a scum-AP model, and although not fitting a one-sided model well is nice, and actually works sometimes, it's a shaky starting place.

My thoughts on Cabd are that the meta threads he dumped in the game need some explanation or walk-through because it's not obvious to me how they point to Yesseree's game being way off his town meta. However, I do like that he didn't jump to explicate them before I went through them for myself. But, Cabd knows Nacho's onto him regarding too much collaboration in me developing meta reads.

Nacho's laptop was stolen this weekend. I probably won't hear much from him for a few days, but I'll let him know you're thinking of him.

He's said before that he likes to pretend to do meta as scum, so not actually explaining and letting you do the dirty work (while trying to inform your conclusion) doesn't seem like that much of a stretch to me.

I think scum-Jekyll would be pretty constrained by the presence of both Nacho and me in the game. I'm watching, but not really seeing stuff I associate with his scum game so far.

I'm so transparent

What do you associate with Jekyll's scum game? I see its a hydra, havent cared to learn their identity. I see a lot of weak opinions and posts that look nervous from that slot. I didn't like their interactions with MVP at all.

You literally just called me town, so thanks!

~Jekyll

[Doctor Jekyll]

I don't like MVP. Weird vibes.

AngryFratBoys is scum.

I hate cats.

Spoiler: FTFY

Please, regale me with your unique perspective on the game and refreshingly town incisiveness.

Sorry I haven't posted, I've never played a large game and its kind of hard to follow. Will try to post something later.

Not only is this an excuse, it's a bad excuse. This game has four more players than a mini. I refuse to believe this makes the difference between you being able to play mafia and being completely lost.

-Hyde

P.S. Probably going to move my vote in a moment...

[Doctor Jekyll]

I think AFB have a point that the scum aren't posting. I am feeling pretty okay about everyone who's actually here, except Maraca (because I'm pretty confident Cabd can fool me, and I don't like Mara but then I never do) and sangres (not obvtown yet).

~Jekyll

[Doctor Jekyll]

Regardless of your alignment, unless your play changes, I'm going to need you to claim today, because you are being deliberately bad. Start playing some fucking mafia or claim Innocent Child, I don't care which, but if you won't do either you can die.

VOTE: RadiantCowbells

-Hyde

[Doctor Jekyll]

I'm about 100% sure I have mentioned this, but I don't see where: Maraca playing good cop bad cop with me (ha, ha) gives me some for srs flashbacks to Hard Boiled. I would also think that Mara might adjust her opinion having seen our towngame in said game, even if from the wrong perspective.

~Jekyll

[Doctor Jekyll]

Dammit Cabd why must you be good at being unreadable.

Re: Mara- hm, okay.

[Doctor Jekyll]

I know you're a much better player than this because I've seen you do it, so get with the program.

source

I was actually referring to the time I ran into you on Epicmafia (shortly before I quit). You do know who we are, yes? You were insanely hypertown, though you did fail to scumhunt us

And even your mediocre play in NY165 was way better than this stupidity.

Ewwwwww scumceph used to play on EM.

The worst part is it was long after mafiascum and I hated every minute of it. Addiction is a very bad thing.

Kinda hard to sort when you give me this:

-L. J.

I think AFB have a point that the scum aren't posting. I am feeling pretty okay about everyone who's actually here, except Maraca (because I'm pretty confident Cabd can fool me, and I don't like Mara but then I never do) and sangres (not obvtown yet).

~Jekyll

I dunno i'd say you know my scumgame, and how to find it, best out of almost anyone here thanks to AMOL (you dead yet guyett?) and hard boiled.

Whatever happened to "I change my scum game every time"? I suppose I do feel like I have something of a handle on it from AMOl (hehe) and NY165. I think I was mostly catching onto Nacho in Hard Boiled though, not you. Were you even really posting?

He's said before that he likes to pretend to do meta as scum, so not actually explaining and letting you do the dirty work (while trying to inform your conclusion) doesn't seem like that much of a stretch to me.

He does. However, in a recent we played he was

town

and I was scum. And he sent me on a wild goose chase through one of Bert's scum games looking for parallels with the game we were playing. The purpose was dual - mostly to make Bert think he was seriously scumreading him rather than setting up a reaction test, but a significant side benefit was getting me to read an irrelevant 100-plus page game purely for the hell of it. And being scum, I went through the motions and looked for the parallels he claimed existed.

Faking meta isn't as alignment indicative as I'd like.

But more to the point, I assumed that was Cabd dumping a bunch of game links into the thread, but it was Mara. And I don't think she's ever played a fake meta game with me.

Hahahahah 10/10 would make you read walls again. In fact hey ffery, I have a game of scum-guyett's you should read.

Dammit Cabd why must you be good at being unreadable.

Re: Mara- hm, okay.

Don't look at me. If people want to put their "omg godly scumplay" blinders on, that's one thing, but I'm really not that hard to figure out.

Yes and no. I think I may start holding you to the standards I do Nacho and Ffery even though I've never actually seen you be town, and we can see how that works for me.

~Jekyll

[Doctor Jekyll]

I know you're a much better player than this because I've seen you do it, so get with the program.

source

I was actually referring to the time I ran into you on Epicmafia (shortly before I quit). You do know who we are, yes? You were insanely hypertown, though you did fail to scumhunt us

And even your mediocre play in NY165 was way better than this stupidity.

Ewwwwww scumceph used to play on EM.

The worst part is it was long after mafiascum and I hated every minute of it. Addiction is a very bad thing.

I think AFB have a point that the scum aren't posting. I am feeling pretty okay about everyone who's actually here, except Maraca (because I'm pretty confident Cabd can fool me, and I don't like Mara but then I never do) and sangres (not obvtown yet).

~Jekyll

I dunno i'd say you know my scumgame, and how to find it, best out of almost anyone here thanks to AMOL (you dead yet guyett?) and hard boiled.

Whatever happened to "I change my scum game every time"? I suppose I do feel like I have something of a handle on it from AMOl (hehe) and NY165. I think I was mostly catching onto Nacho in Hard Boiled though, not you. Were you even really posting?

He's said before that he likes to pretend to do meta as scum, so not actually explaining and letting you do the dirty work (while trying to inform your conclusion) doesn't seem like that much of a stretch to me.

He does. However, in a recent we played he was

town

and I was scum. And he sent me on a wild goose chase through one of Bert's scum games looking for parallels with the game we were playing. The purpose was dual - mostly to make Bert think he was seriously scumreading him rather than setting up a reaction test, but a significant side benefit was getting me to read an irrelevant 100-plus page game purely for the hell of it. And being scum, I went through the motions and looked for the parallels he claimed existed.

Faking meta isn't as alignment indicative as I'd like.

But more to the point, I assumed that was Cabd dumping a bunch of game links into the thread, but it was Mara. And I don't think she's ever played a fake meta game with me.

Hahahahah 10/10 would make you read walls again. In fact hey ffery, I have a game of scum-guyett's you should read.

Dammit Cabd why must you be good at being unreadable.

Re: Mara- hm, okay.

Don't look at me. If people want to put their "omg godly scumplay" blinders on, that's one thing, but I'm really not that hard to figure out.

Yes and no. I think I may start holding you to the standards I do Nacho and Ffery even though I've never actually seen you be town, and we can see how that works for me.

~Jekyll

(I'd love if we could delete the above post)

[Doctor Jekyll]

@Mod: We voted RadiantCowbells in post 469, but in case you require unvotes here you go

UNVOTE: VOTE: RadiantCowbells

I think Guyett reading me off one game doesn't work that well. Just so you guys know, Lucid Dreamers is my only scum game so far and my scumbuddy basically carried me through the whole thing.

I don't think I have an established play style yet, but just because I haven't posted a lot doesn't necessarily mean a scum read. IRL man.

So you've read the thread, but you still have nothing useful to say?

Sorry about that. I was reading a bit too fast to catch up, I think.

[Doctor Jekyll]

I'm about 100% sure I have mentioned this, but I don't see where: Maraca playing good cop bad cop with me (ha, ha) gives me some for srs flashbacks to Hard Boiled. I would also think that Mara might adjust her opinion having seen our towngame in said game, even if from the wrong perspective.

~Jekyll

why do you think this, when I even tend to struggle to wrap my head around the town-plays of those I play with almost constantly?

Scum-games don't affect how I read people, usually as it is more, how to trick people and who to get mislynched over figuring out who is and isn't town which makes a world of a difference.

You have to look at people's town games to figure out how to mislynch them. *shrug*

And if you were, say, scumreading me here for the same reasons you were fake scumreading me in Hardboiled, you would hopefully realize those don't make sense?

If this was somehow a Cabd post then sorry and I'm very confused

~Jekyll

[Doctor Jekyll]

Hi, orcinus. You should read the thread and post some thoughts so I can see if you're obvtown or scum. 'Cause my thoughts on you in NY165 were about as real as scumthoughts can be.

Our vote will probably remain on RadiantCowbells until he cuts the bullshit. But JS is also an acceptable vote. Cabd's list is okay, but I don't completely agree on all fronts, particularly sangres/Hana/Hermy.

~Jekyll

[Doctor Jekyll]

@Mod: We voted RadiantCowbells in post 469, but in case you require unvotes here you go

This is a good vote - but it doesn't quite sitwell. Feels like a bus.

Yes, well, that feels like a contrived reason to scumread me, so there. Y'all are trying pretty hard to do so while ignoring the players who are actually good at reading me.

~Jekyll

[Doctor Jekyll]

Yes, well, that feels like a contrived reason to scumread me, so there. Y'all are trying pretty hard to do so while ignoring the players who are actually good at reading me.

I've mentioned several other posts of yours that I didn't like.

@Guyett: Oh dear. Im right about you arent I.

And I have responded

Not particularly scumreading Guyett; if stupidity is your criterion why not RC?

[Doctor Jekyll]

Man Cephrir you better hydra with Mastin again

???

Good wagon is good
VOTE: guyett

???

RadiantCowbells [L-7] - Angry Frat BROs, Doctor Jekyll

That part wasn't directed at you, sorry

[Doctor Jekyll]

Let's play "Ceph tries to figure out why Guyett is being run up"!

VOTE: Sak

Lots of irrelevant fluff

She's on vacation.....

She's probably not the only fluff poster....

Hope there is more in 2 pages......

Vote: Guyett

Peregrine is voting him because he said Sakura was fluffy. Which she is. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

I found it suspicious that she decided to put V/La up pretty much right after getting a few votes against her...

So it's scummy of me to go

site-wide

V/LA because I got a few votes in 1 out of a ton of the games im in?

Sak is L-5

Good to know, are you planning on doing anything else?

Caled could well be scum... I'll have to reread lucid dreamers

Why that game?

Ok I've done a quick read of Lucid dreamers, its my only game with Caled which I remember and she was scum in it.
She lurked pretty hard through that game too

VOTE: Caled

Have you seen a Caled's town game?
On that note what are your thoughts on the other lurkers like Hermy, Jacob and yesiree?

Guyett could you shut the fuck up for a moment because you're being a hypocrite

lol no.

Pretty much all of her posts have been excuses or prod dodges

I agree with TIP on this

Unvote
Vote: Guyett

Sakura Hana - Scum. I've gone over this before. fluff, game theory.. fucking around with hydra spec. disappearing as soon as some votes rack up (See PV in Marvel vs Dc)

If you really thought I was scum because of that you'd have checked that I had dissapeared site-wide for the weekend.
Oh wait, you're after a mislynch anyways.

On that note if Guyett's scum then Caled's most likely town.

Sakura is voting Guyett because...
a) He wasn't observant about your VLA ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
b) He's useless, along with 50% of this game ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
c) selectively calling out one lurker and not others, which he's not close to the only one to have done ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
d) She can use the assumption that he's scum to make him look like scum ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
e) "hypocrisy" (dunno what this is referring to but it is the only legitimate reason)

The snake
It was a snake

I think Guyett is scum playing the "too dumb to be scum" card.
Anyone not voting him: why the fuck not?
VOTE: guyett

TIP is voting Guyett because... he's trolling a little?

I don't like the tone of that defeatism.

Vote: Guyett

This is the best reason of the bunch and one I actually somewhat agree with.

Feeling pretty cautious is independent of your not hitting either extreme. I think I said earlier that I'm counting on nacho to keep me reality-based on my Cabd read. You're pretty much in the same category.

Eh I can buy this. I know in both our other games you thought I was scummy but didn't know what to do about me.

UNVOTE: ; VOTE: Guyett

AFB are voting Guyett because... literally no apparent reason? They've mentioned him a couple times but not in a 'this is my top scumread' way.

So, what gives, guys? I don't understand why this wagon exists, and he doesn't seem particularly worse to me than, say, JacobSavage.

~Jekyll

[Doctor Jekyll]

Upon ISOing, I would classify Guyett as a light scumread, but I still don't understand why he's getting so many votes.

Pedits:
@orci: Uh you know you were just doing it right
@Cabd: I only fakeclaim masons with slots I'm sure about

[Doctor Jekyll]

Guyett is too easy, I don't like how this wagon materialized in the absence of a case, and this vote is indubitably superior. Sadly our principled-letting-our-vote-rot-on-RC has not picked up enough support.

VOTE: JacobSavage

-Hyde

@orci: voting guyett

[Doctor Jekyll]

Guyett's ATE is mediocre. In fact, his own actions don't really have anything to do with my desire to not lynch him.

-Hyde

[Doctor Jekyll]

AFB are voting Guyett because... literally no apparent reason? They've mentioned him a couple times but not in a 'this is my top scumread' way.

So, what gives, guys? I don't understand why this wagon exists, and he doesn't seem particularly worse to me than, say, JacobSavage.

Its possible I forgot to trasnlate my thoughts into a post.

He is doing things I tend to do as scum. His selfvote was not encourging and him bothering to point out he was at L - 2 w/o unvoting is just scum trying not to look like they are flailing. Him "trawling for reactions" it and ending up on ffery shows he was just lookingfor a "valid" excuse to move his vote. His attempts at scumhunting are uninspired and his rage reads fake to me.

His earlier posts to me were cutesy in a scum way, sort of pointed but not really doing anything. Trying to blend in, no real attempts to find scum (except highly contrived and immediate ffery case out of the blue, making them a plausible buddy).

In particular, him pointing out we have no completed games together rang alarm bells. I attempt to discredit meta reads on me when Im scum like that. He is totally not considering the possibility that I have read games of his and instead tries to handwave my suspicion away without following up on it or figuring out if it has a base to it? Thats scum.

Thank you. That's much better. Last point is probably the best one, I could see that being frustrated scum. I wonder if frustrated scum might actually tend to give up as early as he did. I feel like Scumrir might do that, although Scumrir doesn't really get lynched, so I can't be sure. I'll have to ask him.

So, what gives, guys? I don't understand why this wagon exists, and he doesn't seem particularly worse to me than, say, JacobSavage.

Im sure JS is a strong scumread of yours. Lets hear why hes better than lynching Guyett.

Cause this counterwagon on JS is looking awfully suspicious to me after Guyett offers up some ez fakeable AtE.

He is not a strong scumread of mine, actually, but I don't have any strong scumreads yet. I do think ffery's argument is a good one- the fact that JS has been ignoring her is scummy. All I have at present is light scumreads on Guyett (yes, really), JS, and Sakura, though I'd still be voting RC if I thought it would get me anywhere.

I'm not joining the counterwagon because of the ATE, which was indeed pretty fakable.

You realize that I RVS voted Guyett because he was online at the time and apparently there were votes on him, and unvoted immediately after i saw the buildup to his L-2?

Just making sure

Immediately? Like 3 posts after the VC that had me at L-2...
Why are you so afraid to lynch me? Have some fucking conviction man

I like this post.

~Jekyll

[Doctor Jekyll]

People I want to failmeta (because I suck at meta):
Sakura
orci if he keeps playing like this

[Doctor Jekyll]

I'm not 'trying' to throw doubt anywhere. I'm just stating how I feel, and how I feel is 'this is too easy and too fast'.

[Doctor Jekyll]

Because I didn't feel they had any basis.

Even if I agree with something, that doesn't mean people get to do it without reasons.

[Doctor Jekyll]

yeah ... doesn't stand out as obv scum or I'd put him as scum. he is doing things I've seen him do as either alignment

If it's doing things that he does as either alignment wouldnt that make him full null? where did the scum lean come from then?

Then who does stand out as obv scum?

Caled, probably you and from recent events Sangres.
I need to reread recent posts when sober though.

Heh. I don't regret not putting you at L-1 even a tiny bit.

I can't tell if this is sarcasm, but it really shouldn't be!

[Doctor Jekyll]

OH WAIT

OH WAIT

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA it's early and i'm stupid.

Early.. what part of east/ south east asia are you from?
I ask as my girlfriend is travelling around there at the minute and I know its early morning where she is

You're awful calm for someone who was flipping their shit a page ago

[Doctor Jekyll]

Mr. Bauss, you haven't really given an initial reason for scumreading AFB IIRC. You just started from that assumption and are now painting them as scum. Orci was never in trouble here though, so I find your last statement to be an exaggeration.

Considering that my experiment seems to have failed, I'm considering dropping the act and changing accounts.

[Doctor Jekyll]

Hey orci, are you implying you've read the thread?

[Doctor Jekyll]

If I was going to policy lynch today I would lynch RC

Which by the way I'm still down for

In other news orci is currently striking out and needs to get his shit together