NY 167: COMPLETELY NORMAL Mafia (GAME OVER)

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VOTE: Hermy

Yep.

townread on,Sakura Hana, but light.

Tim Tebow

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Are those bothering you?

-Lebron James

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Are those bothering you?

-Lebron James

Who is this addressed to?

You, of course.

-L. J.

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Are those bothering you?

-Lebron James

Who is this addressed to?

You, of course.

-L. J.

Do I know you?

Does that matter?

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If we don't know each other, then the question isn't quite so strange.

Well, then.
Back to my question.
What of that bothered you? Because that post looked quite normal to me.

-L. J.

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It looked like a weird thing to pick up something on.

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If we don't know each other, then the question isn't quite so strange.

Well, then.
Back to my question.
What of that bothered you? Because that post looked quite normal to me.

-L. J.

Where did you get 'bothered' from a simple question? Why are you so bothered about her botheredness?

~Jekyll

I am bothered about her botheredness of that post because it somewhat bothers me how her question bothers my inner senses enough to be bothered enough to ask such a bothersome question.
tl;dr - It's awkward to me to see her pick up on things like that. It might be my memory failing me, but I don't remember her playing like this the last time I played with her.

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It looked like a weird thing to pick up something on.

welcome to feryland

I've been there before but I don't remember the map layout anymore.
I might need a tour guide or two.

-L. J.

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No, I haven't.

How's it like?

-L. J.

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No, I haven't.

How's it like?

-L. J.

I'm in rehab.

So I guess whatever you were doing with Cabd was very very naughty

Anyway, I digress.

What's wrong with both random vote and serious post mixed in together? Is it just a paranoia? Perhaps am I being that one kid who always interrupts the lovey-dovey talk of a couple?

-L. J.

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Let me see if I still remember my Mafia 101.

The point of RVS is to garner reactions and informations, which is the widely-accepted method to start Day 1, the day with almost no information.
Am I right?

-L. J.

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information*

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I'm known for self-voting/self-hammering, tho it's something im trying to move away from.
Hermy's known for self-voting IN LYLO as town.

How many times have she done it and what was the reason for her to do so?

-L. J.

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IMO, the purpose of RVS is to end quickly. A post that both moves out of RVS and prolongs RVS is a tad eye-catching.

Spoiler: Needless rant

That's not quite something I would agree with. Sure, it is optimal for RVS to end quickly, but stating the purpose of RVS is to just end it quickly is... That kinda defeats the whole purpose of RVS, now is it?

At least, now I can see where your post is coming from.

-L. J.

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This isn't the towniest reaction I have ever seen.

Then what kind of reaction would it be?

-L. J.

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Lynch or leash?

RQS!!! U MUSTZ BE SCUM

It depends. But I think SK should be leashed most of the time. (The exception being the situation where it is pointless to leave SK alive, e.g. almost-town-autowin)

-L. J.

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Your face is Yuck.

-L. J.

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If we don't know each other, then the question isn't quite so strange.

Well, then.
Back to my question.
What of that bothered you? Because that post looked quite normal to me.

-L. J.

Where did you get 'bothered' from a simple question? Why are you so bothered about her botheredness?

~Jekyll

I am bothered about her botheredness of that post because it somewhat bothers me how her question bothers my inner senses enough to be bothered enough to ask such a bothersome question.
tl;dr - It's awkward to me to see her pick up on things like that. It might be my memory failing me, but I don't remember her playing like this the last time I played with her.

This isn't the towniest reaction I have ever seen.

Then what kind of reaction would it be?

-L. J.

Surely you must be joking.

Is it possible? Could I have found scum on page 1? That'd be a first.

-Hyde

Did I blow your mind with that post?
Also, fix your scumdar. It's not working correctly this game.

A little. It's more the body of work, they haven't said anything that sounded right to me. They are asking a lot of pointless questions.

-Hyde

As long as I know what I'm doing
It's probably pointless to argue with that because of the difference of opinion.
But I assure you that those questions aren't pointless at all.

Holy crickets. I self-voted in Ly-Lo
- Once
- In my first newbie game
- When I was extremely pissed off
- And was going to get lynched anyway

I've never done it otherwise. Ugh. It was a one off, I feel stupid for doing so, but I'd truly prefer it if I wasn't labelled as bad for something I did ONCE, ages ago

You remind me of that one blonde chick who sits two seats behind me in my Organic Chem class.

I know.
And it was my RVS vote.
You getting this pissy about it is giving me bad vibes.

Elaborate. Stat. Specifically wrt her most recent post.

-Hyde

That's the longest post I've ever seen from TIP.

Sir, you deserve one internet.

Any particular reason why?

Reactions.

Why do you care?

I have gut scum on Wake88, based on his approach into this game, particularly the SK speculation, avoiding meaningful discussion.

What is that "meaningful discussion" he's avoiding?

I say we lynch TIP today, who wants to hamma?

>isn't voting TIP

Also, lynching TIP is pretty antitown when the hydras will know whether he's scum within five more pages.

Sadly I'm actually townreading this post though.

~Jekyll

I totally agree with this post.

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yessiree, I believe you owe me an answer to my question.

-L. J.

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That's not what I asked.
I asked which "meaningful discussion" did Wake avoid.

-L. J.

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...

You said he avoided something. What did he avoid? There's a difference between "avoiding" and "not doing it," you know.

-L. J.

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... nvm then.
This is gonna go nowhere.

-L. J.

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I love how none of my hydra partners posted after my last post.
Catching up.

-L. J.

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@Maraca: Can I have a link of yessiree's games?

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Ok 148 is something I can agree that comes more from a town perspective. still veeeery far from conftown tho.

VOTE: Sakura Hana

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{Cabd's quotestripe hell}

Are you avoiding me?

You smell funny.

-L. J.

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Spoiler: Wall

can hydras sign their posts pl0x

Betting on at least one to refuse and expect you to know who is talking at all times.

I'll sign but it gives no clue to my main.

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VOTE: Cabd / MC Makara

Um so you get on a policy lynch and then make a random vote?

Why don't you pursue this more? You placean accusation without pursuing it further, why?

VOTE: Hermy

Yep.

townread on,Sakura Hana, but light.

Tim Tebow

We are relieved to learn that our random vote has landed in an intelligent place!

Would anybody care to explain what exactly I've done wrong?

This isn't the towniest reaction I have ever seen.

Hyde

So the person I voted had a scummy reaction but you still don't like my post? Okay. Seems kinda counter-intuitive but hey, that's just me.

I want sakura to justify this

There's quite a difference between Hermy and me and it bothers me that you're saying I do the same thing when you were the one who pointed it out to me in site chat.

For everyone else:

I'm known for self-voting/self-hammering, tho it's something im trying to move away from.
Hermy's known for self-voting IN LYLO as town.

Big Difference.

Selfvoting in lylo=selfhammering. Both throw games. So no, small difference.

Hermy's known for self-voting IN LYLO as town.

What was the reasoning behind this? I've seen respectable players do it because they know the game is winnable if they do so.

How would a game be winnable by self voting in LYLO as a townie? I'm not sure you're paying attention to what you're saying.

I like you for town.

Holy crickets. I self-voted in Ly-Lo
- Once
- In my first newbie game
- When I was extremely pissed off
- And was going to get lynched anyway

I've never done it otherwise. Ugh. It was a one off, I feel stupid for doing so, but I'd truly prefer it if I wasn't labelled as bad for something I did ONCE, ages ago

That's nice. Don't really care, but that's nice.

I know.
And it was my RVS vote.
You getting this pissy about it is giving me bad vibes.

You plan on nonchalantly saying these things without pursuing these further? And Mine was serious.

How does this have three pages

I know.
And it was my RVS vote.
You getting this pissy about it is giving me bad vibes.

I got annoyed because I'm not 'known' for it. I did it once. I don't like to be mislabeled.

Guess what: It doesn't go away. Move on.

Well that's better...

And that post doesnt seem faked anyway, now I'd rather lynch this guy

Unvote
Vote: Wake

Why?

VOTE: Wake88

^

Well that's better...

And that post doesnt seem faked anyway, now I'd rather lynch this guy

Unvote
Vote: Wake

VOTE: Wake88

Any particular reason why?

I like the synergy in our thought processes. You get a townread too.

Any particular reason why?

Reactions.

Why do you care?

Way to fuck up any reasoning for that vote. Now, why is it still there?

Any particular reason why?

Reactions.

Why do you care?

Because I see votes without reasons, and I like people to have reasons so I can better follow what they're thinking.

Yo, I like you.

This is confirmed Town.

Really?
Wouldnt you be mad if someone messed up with your reaction tests by asking questions like that?

You fucked up your reaction test, not him.

Most of the time, Town fucks up everything

Last time i did a gambit i got a conf town, but town lynched him anyway.
Then i found both scum and subtly stated the plan for LyLo since i was conf town and was dying, but town didnt see it.

Yeah I concede... town does fuck up everything, maybe i shouldn't even play since town is gonna fuck up everything right?

Nope, I still will try, and I don't find any town motivation behind someone screwing other people's plans, and you giving him a conf town pass is even worse

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Vote: tippy

I'm going to get back to this later.

I have gut scum on Wake88, based on his approach into this game, particularly the SK speculation, avoiding meaningful discussion.

And giving them a conf town pass to boot.

So, I skimmed some games with multiple people in this game. 1436 comes to mind. It had you, and a member of the sangres and maracas hydrae. You gave Cabd a conftown read after that gambit thing, didn't you? Now, when someone tried to fuck it up, what did he flip?

I say we lynch TIP today, who wants to hamma?

>isn't voting TIP

Also, lynching TIP is pretty antitown when the hydras will know whether he's scum within five more pages.

Sadly I'm actually townreading this post though.

~Jekyll

Agree with most, but not the last line.

I say we lynch TIP today, who wants to hamma?

>isn't voting TIP

Also, lynching TIP is pretty antitown when the hydras will know whether he's scum within five more pages.

Sadly I'm actually townreading this post though.

~Jekyll

does that matter? I want TIP dead regardless

dead.

Hanging town is not how town wins at this game. Go back to "Mafia for dummies" or GTFO scum.

VOTE: yessiree

You get a townread. I really liked this post.

Hey kids, I'm here now. When did this whole thing get six pages already???

Hey lurkaholic, any insight?

I know.
And it was my RVS vote.
You getting this pissy about it is giving me bad vibes.

Do you expect her to take that lying down? I think getting mad when people call you a bad player is fairly alignment-neutral.

4. sangres (hydra of Nacho and ffery): Nacho is like 13 and ffery is like 12 and they'll both call me Jacob

You mixed up our ages, Jacob.

Hey kids, I'm here now. When did this whole thing get six pages already???

Wed Oct 30, 2013 4:23 pm

Agreed with the first line, laughed at the last 2.

Ok 148 is something I can agree that comes more from a town perspective. still veeeery far from conftown tho.

See my earlier comment.

And giving them a conf town pass to boot.

I hardly think what he did qualifies as a 'conf town pass' in anyone's mind but his. That's pretty obvious. Why are you trying to misrep it otherwise?

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VOTE: Sakura Hana

You can get a townread.

I hardly think what he did qualifies as a 'conf town pass' in anyone's mind but his. That's pretty obvious. Why are you trying to misrep it otherwise?

What makes you think I meant otherwise?

Deflect more, please.

I love how none of my hydra partners posted after my last post.
Catching up.

-L. J.

GO DIE I LIKE TO QUOTEWALL

Ok 148 is something I can agree that comes more from a town perspective. still veeeery far from conftown tho.

VOTE: Sakura Hana

Anyways, uh, hang on.

@Maraca: Can I have a link of yessiree's games?

Oooh, oooh, I have a guess as to one of your heads. Hang on.

{Cabd's quotestripe hell}

Are you avoiding me?

You smell funny.

-L. J.

I say we lynch TIP today, who wants to hamma?

>isn't voting TIP

Also, lynching TIP is pretty antitown when the hydras will know whether he's scum within five more pages.

Sadly I'm actually townreading this post though.

~Jekyll

does that matter? I want TIP dead regardless

dead.

Hanging town is not how town wins at this game. Go back to "Mafia for dummies" or GTFO scum.

VOTE: yessiree

hmmmm how did I miss this gem back there

presuming that someone(TIP in this case) is town lies within the scum mentality

VOTE: likeabauss

Nice OMGUS

Tim Tebow

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I think that's the point.

-L. J.

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"You're not voting anyone. If you're not gonna use your vote, you might as well as sheep my vote."

-L. J.

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Anyways, uh, hang on.

@Maraca: Can I have a link of yessiree's games?

Oooh, oooh, I have a guess as to one of your heads. Hang on.

Town:

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=53&t=30562 (died night one)
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=51&t=30411 (lived to endgame)
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=28783 (slot lynched in MYLO)
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=53&t=29457 (killed night four)
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=51&t=28846 (also killed night four)
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=29212 (lynched day one)
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=29687 (slot killed night two)
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=51&t=30255 (lynched day two)

Scum:

None completed

Point taken.

-L. J.

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RC town

-L. J.

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Nacho you bore me like watching paint dry or watching the Broncos winning games without me

Tim Tebow

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That's what sangres was telling you. So do the talking to him.

-L. J.

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One of my heads is mad at me because I haven't been posting. So I'm just going to start with what I gave them.

I like Jekyll.

<snip>

Regarding Cabd: It's hard to say. I think he's town. But although I like the SK discussion, he already knows what the correct answer is supposed to be. And he's already shown that the answer relies heavily on a player's experience and people can offer an appropriate response regardless of alignment. It's what he does with the discussion that I care about. Regardless, I like the way he turned RC's RVS into a discussion and it does look like he's trying to scum-hunt. I also like his reaction to Sakura trying to paint Hermy as a policy lynch, which unfortunately, is something one of my other heads wants (and we already know that head is town, it's quite the dilemma). Some stuff about Cabd that I'm just going to casually omit before he gets a bigger ego.

Apparently, PV gave an appropriate response on the first page before the discussion even started. I nearly missed that.

Wake: Will be vehemently in favor of breaking its neck.
This is a response I would have given, and apparently its because of my inexperience playing with SK's. It's a pretty forceful statement. It's hard to say whether this is coming from a town mindset of eliminating the extra nightkill or scum mindset of eliminating threats. Null.

Toomai: Doesn't see a reason for an SK to follow along.
It's a little bit of an open statement that reinforces Wake's. I like him for town for other reasons.

Wake: Leashing is now an incredibly bad idea.
It's hard to say if this is Wake's site inexperience and he's being stubborn (which I already know he can be).

Doctor Jekyll: Leash and kill upon deviation.
Apparently this is the correct answer.

JS: Responds to Toomai with an honor statement.
He joins the discussion but avoids the original question. He reinforces the idea of why it's probable for the SK to go along with the leashing. <snip> I would consider lynching.

RC: Depends on whether we can get scum to waste a bullet.
It's a bit open-ended, but at least we know RC is thinking about it.

She then goes off about some arsonist stuff. I don't know how to evaluate that. Very slightly town for me.

Also, any discussion about the SK after Cabd already showed the correct answer isn't useful to me. The responses will be tainted.

I love how none of my hydra partners posted after my last post.
Catching up.

-L. J.

Seeing as how I haven't even posted yet for who knows what reason, you should take it up with the other more active head.

presuming that someone(TIP in this case) is town lies within the scum mentality

VOTE: likeabauss

Dat misrep.

*Skipping Tebow's wall. I can take it up with him in the QT.

I'm town guys.

Don't lynch me please.

I once saw a jester on another site do this exact thing over and over until he was lynched.

Only time I've ever been a jester, I actually told them to lynch me because I was caught scum. Too easy.

Also, after careful deliberation and the need to show proper homage to other sports, I've settled on being Pete Rose. The other sports I wanted were taken.

~Pete

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We would eventually have to sync up.

You guys have no sense of creativity. The best way to play jester is fake a daycop report (guilty), happens to be correct, and gets nightkilled by scum.

-L. J.

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Or play along like they've caught scum on Day 2 and just get the quick victory.

~Pete

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Wait, how does getting nightkilled help the jester?

~Pete

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That's the joke.

/fluff

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Is it just me or has Sakura only popped up during the side convo for a while?
-L. J.

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@Purple
Is that "kill list" a scumreads or vig lists?
Yessiree might be good for vig target practice but I don't think he's scum.
-L. J.

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Not at all, as long as you pay me a nickel for every "m" you use in your posts.

-L. J.

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Am I including caled in my scumpile?
Yes I am!

-L. J.

P-Edit: What's the reason of your yessiree scumread again? I don't remember.

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Meta reasons on someone who apparently don't have a scumgame... ?

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@Purple
Is that "kill list" a scumreads or vig lists?
Yessiree might be good for vig target practice but I don't think he's scum.
-L. J.

TAAAAMMMMMMMMMM


HAAIIIIIII

or...

Gen

lol

tam isn't in this hydra you dummy

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VOTE: sangres

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Unvote.

I must be imagining things.

-L. J.

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Since when did I post anything without a reason except for the one that I marked "fluff" ?

-L. J.

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Well I guess I don't have to delay the reasoning for this one.

Nacho's push on JS is lacking something and ffery is not being town enough and it worries me.

-L. J.

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I kinda think I know why he put the vote there.

All right, then. Let's hear it.

-L. J.

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Oh, also, my setup-dar is broken.
How many scums are we expecting in 17 players game?

-L. J.

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I kinda think I know why he put the vote there.

All right, then. Let's hear it.

-L. J.

Maybe later.

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But I want your own opinion, not synchronized opinion.

-L. J.

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I don't like MVP. Weird vibes.

AngryFratBoys is scum.

I hate cats.

U just jelly.

Your discounting of my yessiree meta/read.

I thought it was purple's?

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^
-L. J. (If it wasn't obvious)

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Eh
While looking back at the thread, I realized that I have one post to fix.
Change "I totally agree with this post" to "I agree except for the last sentence."
Well, it's kinda late to be post-fixing, but hey. Better late than never, right?
-L. J.

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She's my partner. And I don't disagree with her read, with my own research. So yeah, it's half my read now too. Is that a problem for you?

Nah.
Just a bit awkward in my mind.

-L. J.

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Note to self:
- Check ffery's town-hydra games
- Look for the passiveness/involveness in those games
- Think a little if those said symptoms are because of the lack of synchronizing with nacho

-L. J.

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Note to self:
- Check ffery's town-hydra games
- Look for the passiveness/involveness in those games
- Think a little if those said symptoms are because of the lack of synchronizing with nacho

-L. J.

You know, when I posted this, I was at work and I somehow had a lot of motivation.
Now that I come back to this, I be like



Meh, I'll do this eventually.

@Jacob
Because my digestive organs are keep acting up.
And since no one else is doing it, why not me?

-L. J.

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What's your point?

His point is obv "please vig me! I have this big red target behind my back!".

-L. J.

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Hi my name is cabd and I have all sorts of

cool drugs

ffery meta, what were you interested in purchasing today?

The one labelled "Ffery's hydra dependency and passiveness", please.
I know it costs a lot, but hell, I think I can manage it from all that nickels I robbed from TIP.

-L. J.

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I would just say "meh" and move on, because the reactions you're garnering with what you're doing is so one-sided that it's not even worth analyzing.

-L. J.

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Kinda hard to sort when you give me this:

-L. J.

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It's time for reads lists.

Town:

17. TheIrishPope

(Meta from both of us. You can take this read to the bank and cash it)

4. sangres

(I'll probably flip flop this at least twice this game minimum, but this seems like townffery from what data I do have on her (and from being inside her head b/c morph))

6. MVP

(town, I'm avoiding applying the notsci town or scum test because the other heads may skew that, if it was notscience alone it'd be down to null at the moment)

2. Doctor Jekyll

(His paranoia about me rings like it comes from an unsure mindset aka not fabricated. I'm working on brining mara around)

15. Toomai

(Every post toonami has posted seems town to me, but admittedly I have no actual meta here besides the Harry Potter game, this is on my homework list)

Null:

16. yessiree

(His response to our vote was town as fuck IMO, but mara has reservations)

11. Angry Frat BROs

(I will likely waffle on this forever, i've been wrong about bro 2/2 times so far)

3. Sakura Hana

(It's rare for me to not have an opinion of sakura, but this is that time. She's very... distant form the game so far.)

8. Guyett

(Guyett has yet to drop his hidden signature town tell, but he hasnt done anything overly scummy either. Mara has him down as gut-scum. )

9. likeabauss

(his hatred of the buddy-style sorting is null to me, i've gotten complaints about it from both alignments in the past. Nothing else much of note in the ISO)

Scum:

5. JacobSavage

(he's posting elsewhere and lurking the fuck out of this game. Just like 165.)

12. Hermy

(I had a super early light town lean, but that's gone seriously stale and 482 was piss poor for promsiing serious content, given it's three really fucking obvious questions)

7. caledfwitch

(That was a piss poor reason/excuse to not be giving content)

Holy fuck, this player is in this game?!? Since when?!?:

13. PeregrineV

(He was VLA, i expect insight soon)

10. Rank

(What's his excuse?)

I don't care what your role card says, your ass dies if you keep doing stupid shit:

14. RadiantCowbells

(see title of this section)


UNVOTE:
VOTE: JacobSavage

LeBron and James are still deciding regarding Hermy's posts. It certainly looks effortless but we're not sure if it's because of the large game intimidation/demotivation.

I guess I'll unvote for now. To be honest, I kinda liked nacho's posts. I just had a problem with ffery's posts.
UNVOTE:

yessiree is more town to me.

-L. J.

P-Edit:
wat

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You know, over the course of my mafia career, I learned that scum likes to claim scum multiple of times...

-L. J.

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Speaking of tunneling, that tunneler only posted 3 times in this whole game!

-L. J.

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BILLY MAYS

TIM TEBOW HERE TELLING YOU THIS GUYETT WAGON IS TOTAL AND UTTER BULLSHIT AND HES PROBSTOWN

THEREFORE AT LEAST 1 SCUM IS ALREADY VOTING HIM WOOOO

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The preachy ex-Bronco who now plays for Canada (eh)

But in all serious, Guyett is town and this wagon should feel bad

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We're a secret hydra, so you don't get to know.

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Cabd's my master, and he ordered me out of my Jekyll scum read

FTFY

-L. J.

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VOTE: orci

-L. J.

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Since when have you been a proponent of utility lynches TIP? Last I checked, you fight them pretty hard.

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Mara, I know Rank like you know TIP.

likeabauss

, I know you can read Rank like a book. What is he?

Rank

, I know you can read likeabauss like a book. What is he?

Too soon to be certain, but Rank is most likely town.

So, when asked about Rank early, you say he's most likely town.

I never left. The guy you replaced, Rank, is my brother from another mother. We've been playing mafia together for like 10 years. Him replacing out means he was scum. Means you are scum. You should tread carefully, because between you and FratBoys, I've got two mafia and its still early on D1

But you change your read on him solely based on his replacement? If not, what changed? It feels like you're trying not to back-track on your earlier discussion with AFB. I don't see any alignment indicative reason for Rank to replace out because there wasn't even any pressure directed towards him.

~Pete

[MVP]

"Cabd: "hell, mc maraca is a two lady hydra of justice""

Yes you do

And Guyett you can't even tell which head I am in Shiny

But now people know I'm in this hydra but not which head I am here so it doesnt matter wooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo

\o/

[MVP]

Don't be coy, you knew I was in this hydra.

[MVP]

So let's go with your logic:

1-Replacing out day one is a scumtell.
2-Rank enjoys day ones.
3-Rank replaced out day one.
4-Rank's slot is scum.

So since the actual data totally disproves (1) why should 2-4 still be valid? Do you have some evidence of this you can cite?

Cabd go sit down at the corner and have yourself a timeout.
Because this post reeks.

#1 is not the first logical step of LTB calling rank's replace out and you know it.

-L. J.

[MVP]

LTB's calling Rank's replace out scum*

[MVP]

MVP is a collection of people whom i dont know the identity, so idk how to read them and im treating them as a single entity instead, * null leaning scum.

...
Either your reasoning is missing at the "*" that I marked in the quote, or you're scumreading us because you don't know our identity.
Which one is it, Sakura?

-L. J.

[MVP]

you also know that, I'm not afraid to bus and would probably do it in this situation as well so

considering that I havn't posted in the last 24some hours, why are we scum?

So let's go with your logic:

1-Replacing out day one is a scumtell.
2-Rank enjoys day ones.
3-Rank replaced out day one.
4-Rank's slot is scum.

So since the actual data totally disproves (1) why should 2-4 still be valid? Do you have some evidence of this you can cite?

[MVP]

I believe you share the same alignment with Cabd, though.

-L. J.

[MVP]

You have meta with me...

I do too.
And you're either playing really really lazy or you're not town (or both).

-L. J.

[MVP]

I like your pre-hiatus play better.
So step it up.

-L. J.

[MVP]

so why are you passively sitting your vote on me again

Better than a vote on a chronic lurker.

-L. J.

[MVP]

Also this is me thinking that town ffery wouldn't votepark on a chronic lurker this long.

-L. J.

[MVP]

inb4 sangres/orci/MCM/AFB scumteam (holy fuck this sounds scary) and JS SK.

I called it first.

-L. J.

[MVP]

Of course, this JS doesn't stand for Jason Statham.
(Although he would definitely fit as a SK role in the movie.)

-L. J.

[MVP]

I fail to see how question like 899 is even worth giving a towncred.
Also whoever asked for my scumreads.
Do you want us to sync first or do you want my own?

(If I'm not signing, I'm probably LeBron James.)

[MVP]

Actually that vote just now looked like town-Sakura.

-L. J.

[MVP]

No comment on yessiree's stealth vote?

[MVP]

Oh btw sakura I think I asked you a question few pages ago.

[MVP]

Also orci have you played with sakura before?

P-Edir: k so the first option.

[MVP]

Pedit: no. in the bauss quote i gave he says that replacing out day 1 in a scumtell.

But that's for one of his reason for scumreading

AFB

, not Rank. There's a difference.

LTB clearly said that Rank's rep out d1 is scummy because Town-Rank loves d1 and he wouldn't rep out D1 if he was town.
As reaching as it sounds, his logic is based on his meta on him, regardless of his willingness to prove it or not. However, what MCM did there was that he butchered down his logic to make it sounds like his logic is based on some stupid overgeneralized theory.

[MVP]

scumtell, not theory.

[MVP]

What do you think about it?

null

[MVP]

Pedit: no. in the bauss quote i gave he says that replacing out day 1 in a scumtell.

But that's for one of his reason for scumreading

AFB

, not Rank. There's a difference.

LTB clearly said that Rank's rep out d1 is scummy because Town-Rank loves d1 and he wouldn't rep out D1 if he was town.
As reaching as it sounds, his logic is based on his meta on him, regardless of his willingness to prove it or not. However, what MCM did there was that he butchered down his logic to make it sounds like his logic is based on some stupid overgeneralized theory.

sure

but what do you think about his stupid overgeneralized theory that he's using on his scumread stronger than me

It would be a problem if that was the only reason he's scumreading him for.
But he's not doing that so that makes the one point I don't agree on.

[MVP]

What do you think about it?

null

If you think it's null, why did you point it up?

To see what orci's opinion about it, of course.

[MVP]

I do have some problem with this readlist.

Town

1. Likeabaws - yeah, town. Don't trust his reads because Newbie 1389.

Doctor Jekyll - This looks like town Ceph to me.
Toomai - I like his stances so far. I meta'd the hell out of him for the Harry Potter game, and although I smudged the meta results for that game, I think I came away with a pretty fair appreciation for his town game. One thing of note: in the scum game that he replaced into, iirc his stances came off a little more certain as scum, and his reaction to pressure was different as well. Not that he's had pressure to react to in this game so far.

Leaning Town

TheIrishPope - I don't read TiP well, and tend to default to reading him as scum. But, last we talked Nacho was thinking town. And some of my leantowns are thinking town as well.

2. MVP - I know the identity of one head of this hydra. Playing solo he tends to tunnel the fuck out of his scum reads. The fact that this isn't happening me bothers me a little, but I saw something similar in another purportedly 3-headed hydra of his so I'm leaning cautiously town.

Angry Frat BROs - I think AP trying to sort me is a good sign, though I feel pretty cautious. In prior scum games, he's either townread me (until a scum read suited his purposes) or immediately gone for the throat on my slot (after I replaced out, but still that was MY slot and I was srsly town).

3. MC Maraca - probably going to let Nacho call this one. I think his meta thumbnail for MVP was reasonably accurate, but I don't like that he's calling us town on the basis of my play. He has said more than once that despite all the experiential meta I'm not that easy for him to read.

Null

Caledfwitch - based on a recent game we played (where I helped mislynch her) and the meta-dive I did in that game, although she's a lurkfuck as town, she takes strong stands on players she thinks are scum. I'm not seeing that in this game so far. I've waffled about scumpiling her.
Hermy - Was leaning town based on her reaction to being judged on the basis of one bad error in one game. Read went stale.
Sakura Hana - her game feels a little off, especially compared to Newbie 1436.
Yessirree - I like some of what I'm seeing, and I'm a little worried I'm letting others' negative reads affect my impression here. Looking at you, MC Maraca. I"m still waiting for your meta analysis.
PeregrineV - Play the damn game.
Orcinus - I don't like that he entered the game basically in RVS mode, but his entrance posts were pretty late-night. I had no useful read on Rank.

4. Scum

Guyett - Based on one game I've played where he was town and I was scum, I'd lean town. But, I'm kinda impressed by the way people are talking his town game up, and I think the one game may not have been all that representative. I was on the scum team, and he made it to lylo for a reason. BoP sucks.
4. Radiant Cowbells - If I had a fucking clue what your play is supposed to accomplish I would probably consider moving you to the leaning town pile.
JacobSavage - ISO is crap, and no effort to engage Nacho about his read.

1. Not sure if that was meant to be a joke, but was that discredit necessary?
2. I don't mind being a townread, but based on what you put there, you're reading this hydra based on a person who only posted like 5 posts. Why not read based on

my

post?
3. At the beginning of the game, I had an impression from your posts that you (ffery) wanted to sort out Cabd. Why defer it to Nacho instead? Also, based on what you put there, it seems like MCM should belong in lower place than "Leaning Town."
4. This scumlist looks too lazy.

[MVP]

Sakura, orcinus.
Orcinus, Sakura.

[MVP]

UNVOTE:

P-Edit:
I've been productive all along, son.

[MVP]

Do you want us to sync first or do you want my own?

[MVP]

1. MC Maraca - Scum
2. Doctor Jekyll - Town
3. Sakura Hana - Town
4. sangres - In the process of sorting.
5. JacobSavage - Not even bothering.
6. MVP - Cult
7. caledfwitch - Not even bothering.
8. Guyett - Town
9. likeabauss - Town
10. orcinus_theoriginal - Null (from lazyfuck)
11. Angry Frat BROs - To be sorted.
12. Hermy - Null (used to be town)
13. PeregrineV - Null
14. RadiantCowbells - Vig bait. Still town.
15. Toomai - Town
16. yessiree - Town
17. TheIrishPope - Town

The reasons are all in my posts.
"Not even bothering" List is someone who's probably getting replaced and had a low content anyway.

[MVP]

Sakura, orcinus.
Orcinus, Sakura.

I was serious when I said this.
Because it just looks like it's a playstyle clash.

[MVP]

1. So discredit based on one game it is.
2. For all we know, I could be a person who has a meta on everyone in this game and just hiding it.
3. Ok.
4. We're townreading Guyett, RC is most likely town and even Nacho said so, and JS is about to be replaced so

[MVP]

im sry

1) selective quoting
2) opportunistic testing waters
3) deliberately obtuse

which of the above is a playstyle characteristic over a scum characteristic

All of the above I've seen Sakura do it as town.

[MVP]

mvp why is cabd/mara scum?

That one terrible misrep from Cabd is enough for me. And Purple defending it with "I didn't do it. Cabd did."

[MVP]

All of them.
Some of them are outdated, though.

[MVP]

His entire read on APBro was based on him replacing into the game

That arguement is true if LTB didn't out any other reasons in his posts at all.
But that's not true, now is it?
Branding LTB's reasoning of scumreading AFB as "rep out d1" theory alone is strawmanning.

[MVP]

im sry

1) selective quoting
2) opportunistic testing waters
3) deliberately obtuse

which of the above is a playstyle characteristic over a scum characteristic

All of the above I've seen Sakura do it as town.

so tell me why sakura is town pls

I will come back to this whenever I hydra slip by any chance.
Answering this will most likely out my identity.

[MVP]

Why are you including yourself among the unknowing?

Because this is an anonymous hydra!
And I have no intention to reveal my identity.

[MVP]

What did you learn?

His read on yessiree.

[MVP]

You'll notice one of my first posts after AngryFratBros entered the game simply stated "FratBros is scum." That was a hunch. So, I added a bit to it. And from there a bit more. Now, I believe I have enough info that I can layout more simply and clearly. He's made adjustments and reactions to my accusations and pressure, and because I didn't tip my whole hand I think I was able to get additional info out of him for the case against him.

He basically outed here that his earlier reasons (including rep out d1) was for reaction fishing.

[MVP]

I've been sidetracked, I guess.

I get that that's vibe that you got, but It's only an assumption that it is what Cabd got either.
He was on fire while posting it, and those times are when people are most likely to slip something.

I'll know eventually what Cabd had in mind there, but for now, I think it's still worth pursuing it.

[MVP]

"when he was", not "while".

[MVP]

If your "new" meant as the first time in this game, I'll say that it's not.

[MVP]

Then I don't know what you meant by "new", because I don't see much difference.

[MVP]

That's like the only difference I see. But even then, right now is not the point where you usually become emotional and I don't know when it will suddenly erupt so

[MVP]

Then townread me already.

[MVP]

Lemme check your reason for scumreading Guyett.

[MVP]

So hypocrisy it is.

That "hypocrisy" is that Guyett is accusing someone for basically what he's doing, right?
That means that he's not aware of his actions, correct?
Now which alignment is most likely to be aware of his actions? Town or scum?

Yes. It's a null tell.

Added to that, if his drunk-defeatism-post was faked, I'll be damned.

[MVP]

[MVP]

Summary of Guyett's iso

1) Prod Dodges

2) AtE

3) spat with AFB

god so scummy

Please excuse me while I vote someone else though.

[MVP]

Guyett is probstown

You're supposed to pull an iso of someone you aren't voting and make it seem like they're scum Cephrir, god. Follow the pattern.

[MVP]

@Mod: V/LA until Sunday.

[MVP]

VOTE: Orci

[MVP]

Almost 1/3 of the players have fewer posts than the mod.

Even more than that have failed to do anything other than sheep and say high-level statements without trying to substantiate them.

And yet even with my relatively high fluff:content ratio and my AtE, I still have provided more insight into my line of reasoning than you, and every player sans MC Maraca and sangres...

Strange how that happens. Maybe it's because I'm actually trying.

That must mean you should try harder! Start with your read on bauss.

Bauss's case is bullshit.

That doesn't make him scum.

I'd like to take this opportunity to point out that Orcinus is practically begging for a CC. He, amongst others, keeps referring to the fact that we can't hang him without a CC. Guess why? Does that strike anybody as a town mindset?

^

[MVP]

Townies don't go out of their way to intentionally misrep people and spread misinformation the way bauss has.

Even though the "misrep" can be seen differently from different view,
Scums don't do that either.

[MVP]

MVP, you should read the thread before you make any posts, otherwise you will piss a lot of people off, seriously

Nah, it's fine.
My thoughts have nothing to do with "Rank meta".

[MVP]

I'll summarize it to one sentence.
Post-claim actions.

[MVP]

Fuck elaboration. It's Sunday night.

[MVP]

(hint: It means the reason I'm even posting now it's because I've been prodded when I told mod that I was on V/LA.)

[MVP]

I'd like to take this opportunity to point out that Orcinus is practically begging for a CC. He, amongst others, keeps referring to the fact that we can't hang him without a CC. Guess why? Does that strike anybody as a town mindset?

You can't hang me because I'm a cop

Fucking hell

But I hanged a claimed cop before. He flipped scum!
(I'm not linking it because anon hydra lol)

[MVP]

(hint: It means the reason I'm even posting now it's because I've been prodded when I told mod that I was on V/LA.)

Again, you're 3 people.

How the fuck do you go V/LA

Easy.

1. One person flake!
2. Another person goes on V/LA early!
3. The last person goes on V/LA a bit later!

[MVP]

Hi! Pete Rose here. I'm the flake. I was supposed to handle business in this thread but I got side-tracked somehow and I feel really bad.

But I support this lynch because from what I see, Bauss and my other hydra heads seem to be well-synched this game. I, on the other hand, hope to get synched after a flip. I'm trusting the judgement of better players right now and I hope the information from the flip will help me become more useful on Day 2.

[MVP]

@AFB: actually I'm in V/LA longer than ns.

@MCM: you forgot to account the possibility of fake cop "clearing" his partner while the real cop doesn't exist and bringing the shitload of wifom to this village.

[MVP]

So let me get this straight.

Bauss puts his ass on the line and calls out his Mafia Bro for being scum, and Orci decides to claim cop (which isn't an unlikely scum claim).

Cabd freaks out, misreps Caled, and decides to policy lynch her instead of trying to get a good scum-lynch.

Everyone on the Caled wagon is bad and should feel bad.

Orci must be one hell of a scum-role or scum player to be getting this kind of protection from his scum-team.

~ Pete

[MVP]

This is a method of dealing with cop claims that come early in games that works really well. It's adapted mostly from a player's notes on my homesite (Her name is gaia) but several other players use it; most recently, prohawk used it to great success to deal with the cop claim and counterclaims from Notscience and Sven in Skype mafia.

1. When two players claim the role of Cop, they are lynch immune for at least one Day, No Vote (Vote: Nobody) should be made that Day. (Cabd note: I prefer a PL on day one)


2. When more than two players claim the role of Cop, lynch any one of them immediately. You are more likely to lynch scum than town. Then, play out the previous dot point. If you lynch the Cop, the other two are scum.


3. When more than two players claim the role of Cop, and then players retract their claims, players who retracted are null reads.


4. When multiple results give a Guilty result, the named player is considered Guilty beyond all doubt.

5. When multiple results give a Clear result, the named player is Clear beyond all doubt and should be considered so for the rest of the game except when a Godfather may exist, Clear results must be considered null or tentative.

6. When two Cops claim Roleblocked at any time, a Roleblocker is said to exist.


Fact of the matter is, a counterclaim would shift this into a prisoner's dilemma for the scumteam, no matter which of the claim or the counterclaim is not legitimate. (I personally substitute policy lynches for a no lynch but eh) If anyone wants me to explain why this works I can but I think it is kind of self explanatory when we go at it. Fact of the matter is, I'm not lynching a cop claim on day one when it'll work itself out at night by itself, and if he is a cop we've denied ourselves the chance at results.

The point of leaving the cops alive is that someone gets killed and the cops get more results. So when you do eventually flip one, more results are available, more analysis can be done etc. Plus it can force the mafia to confirm a Townie. And it means that one mafia vote is basically forced to vote with Town which can help and also be analysed. There are more setup-specific reasons why it's best to keep Cops alive for a while and in particular in closed setups, Cops should always be alive.

I'm looking this over and I think it works even if orcinus does end up being a fake cop and a real one is hiding somewhere. (For the record, I think he's legit and you guys are letting scum push a cop lynch)

Dear Cabd,

Your theory about this slot advocates a(n)

( ) insightful

(X) interesting

( ) uncommon ( ) crazy

approach to reading it. Your method will not work. Here is why it won't work. (One or more of the following may apply to your particular idea, and it may have other flaws which vary from player to player)

(X) Scum can use it as a blank check to hide.

(X) It is just as likely to get false positives.

( ) Your solution speculates as to motives not apparent to everyone
( ) Your theory requires us to treat you as confirmed town

(X) My read disagrees with the slot being "obvscum" or "obvtown"

(X) WIFOM says the player would have known you'd do this if it was scum

(X) Anyone could fake the result they want since it's only their word

(X) This is a closed set-up
(X) It's more likely to fish out town-roles

Specifically, your plan fails to account for

( ) Lack of confirmed townies
( ) Timezones
( ) The claim from that slot

(X) Ease of planning a response in advance assuming scum daychat

( ) Asshats
( ) Nobody trusts you
( ) Unpopularity of new gambits

(X) The existence of already successful scumhunting tactics

(X) Susceptibility of newbtown to fall for it as well

( ) Willingness of players to give you a chance
( ) People who hate your play
( ) Scum safeclaims given by mod

and the following philosophical objections may also apply:

(X) It could just as easily be WIFOM

(X) Ideas similar to yours are easy to come up with, yet none have ever
been shown reliable

( ) Any scheme based on opt-out is unacceptable
( ) Flavor Gambits suck

(X) Why should we have to trust you and your methods?

( ) Incompatibility with the current player base
( ) Feel-good measures do nothing to solve the problem

(X) Revealing info does nothing but assist scum

(X) They don't deserve a slow and painful death

( ) Killing them that way is not slow and painful enough

Furthermore, this is what I think about you:

( ) Sorry dude, but I don't think it's a viable tell.

(X) This is a stupid idea, and you're a stupid person for suggesting it.

( ) Nice try, assh0le! I'm going to find out where you live and burn your
house down!

With Love,
Pete Rose

[MVP]

First of all, I'm not Varsoon.

Secondly, the sole purpose of her wagon has been set-up as the counter-wagon to Orci.

Do you actually think the slot is scum, or are you just pushing for a policy lynch to protect the "cop claim?"

[MVP]

Then why are you voting Caled? What makes her scum or more likely to be scum than others?

You started the wagon but haven't been the least bit concerned with how quickly it built up or why people were on that wagon.

[MVP]

Is there a viable caledfwitch case?

I don't really believe in orc's claim, but it seems like an easy wagon so I'm also hesitant to vote for him.

Let me fix that for you:

I want to cast doubt on this claim in case the lynch swings that way, but I'm worried I might get heat for actually attacking him. I'll just post here and test the waters to see how town swings.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: caled

Also, I love how the majority of the Caled wagon is comprised of scummy people...
The Caled wagon:
(someone makes perfectly decent case; VOTE)
(I agree; VOTE)
(I agree too; VOTE)
(I also agree, join the wagon; VOTE)

Not liking this at all.

[MVP]

You're missing the part where caled lurked for like 1500 posts and then didn't post anything of substance on the return.

Is it a policy lynch or is it a scum-lynch?

If it's not the second one, don't talk to me.

[MVP]

Then provide a case.

No matter how you look at it, Cabd twisted Caled's words and people sheeped him. There was no sorting involved.

[MVP]

CALED'S SUPER AMAZING (BUT ALSO SILLY) READS LIST

(yay content!)

:

town or

town

• MVP - Your direct posts are a big town tell for me (thumbs up coming soon)
  sangres - Confidence is a big town read for me, as more confident players usually take up leader roles
  Toomai - Also quite confident, which is reassuring.
  
  AFB
  - I don't actually see how these guys are particularly scum-ish, but I want to see more level-headed posts from BRO-head, because arguing on the Internet doesn't help. A case on this guy would be great
  
  JS
  - I liked that one reads post apart from what I felt was interpreting Guyett incorrectly.

null

• Cephrir - save the sarcasm for later, you have time to think your posts through
  Hermy - still looking for that reads list you mentioned in post 843
  PV - post 1395 sounds townish but I have a feeling that you'll be giving someone a twist package during the night instead >__>
  Sakura Hana - why would you change your meta this game?? wouldn't acting town give you a better chance
  TIP - Surprised your post count has been so low for someone who everyone argues about.

scum or

scum

• Guyett - I've seen how he reacts to a wagon as town, and this isn't it. He's acting way too chill to be town.
  yessiree - how is it so easy to catch scum?? is JS shit posting the only reason you voted for him?? "your opinion doesn't matter"??????
  
  likeabauss
  - Your posts are good but your reliance on the support of other people is suspicious. Make a good case, and others will follow.
  
  orcinus
  - *votes* 3 posts later *shifts vote* ???? put some thought into what ur doing
  
  RC
  - obvious town my ass

hrrrrrrrrrk idek

• MC Maraca - you two are like a tipping seesaw to me, idek whats going on!!!

Reads list. Whether you agree with it or not, it's content and there's substance. Oh look, Guyett and Orc are both scum-reads.

In light of my wall of text, which I probably should have put under a spoiler:

VOTE: Guyett

He is acting way too laid-back to be town. I've played with him in one game where he was town and he was always skittish and panicky – I'm not seeing this here.

It's going to take a lot to move my vote from him, Guyett you are going down.

PEDIT: Have you played any town games with this new meta?

Oh look! A vote on Guyett! A scum-read!

The italics mean they are LEAN-faction. (im dead)

likeabauss is too reliant on the support of other players; like I said, if you make a convincing case people will follow. Therefore he is kind of scummy.

Guyett is my top scum read though; he is actually a lot more laid-back as scum from what I've noticed, probably because he knows he has people to back him up. As the game goes on he might get progressively more nervous as scum dies, but right now no. Confidence is usually a sign of townish players, but not him.

Also Cephrir it wasn't just a little sarcasm; there was basically sass in every post. I sick-burned some kid six times in one hour IRL and decided that, like your sarcasm, it was a bit much.

More content!

I don't really believe in orc's claim, but it seems like an easy wagon so I'm also hesitant to vote for him.

A wagon on a scum-read. Already voting a scum-read. The second scum-read is stronger than the first. What's the issue?

I don't really believe in orc's claim, but it seems like an easy wagon so I'm also hesitant to vote for him.

Let me fix that for you:

I want to cast doubt on this claim in case the lynch swings that way, but I'm worried I might get heat for actually attacking him. I'll just post here and test the waters to see how town swings.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: caled

If you've actually learned anything useful you will know that input from various sources is needed, so here's another viewpoint:

Orc sounds kind of scummy but as said before I am absolutely convinced that Guyett is scum and I'm not moving my vote anytime soon.

My meta will reveal that I only vote when absolutely convinced of someone's guilt, and rarely move said vote.

Did nobody check the logic in Cabd's post? Did nobody go to check whether or not Caled's voting pattern is consistent with her meta?

[MVP]

Re her not voting Orc: The point is not that she's not voting him, it's that she massively fencesits.

Massively fencesitting in favor of the scum-read she's convinced of?

Re her reads list, I've pointed out why the content is weak and scum (lack of transparency of thought + lack of trajectory means that we have no way of tracking her thought process. Makes her reads ineffective for pushing anything, and obfuscates where buddies are later in the case of a flip)

The content is weak, but it's not necessarily scum. If you had an issue with the thought process, why not engage her and just ask? You're leveraging a case on her based on her reads list.

She has stances. She has strong stances. And I highly doubt having an issue with trajectories should make her scummier than other people because I haven't seen many comprehensive reads lists this game.

[MVP]

Your case has a one huge problem: It's too one-sided.

Weak contents can also come from newbtown.
Newbtown can fencesit too, you know. When they are paranoid. Post 1530 can be easily seen as town paranoia as well. Why can't it be a town paranoia and why does it have to be ONLY scum-fencesit?

P-Edit: attaboy.

[MVP]

Speaking of caled

@Sangres:

I want to know the exact reason why you guys think caled is scum.

[MVP]

We've had a partial synch this morning. And we're putting our vote here:

VOTE: caledfwitch

You guys even synched for it, so I assume that you will have no problem giving it to me.

[MVP]

If it were newbtown being paranoid, I'd expect a full back-off to see how better players deal with it/to be safe. I'm a fairly experienced player, and I still don't like lynching un-CC'd PRs, even neg-utility ones.

Is this not what she's doing?

[MVP]

She's not even voting her counter-wagon ffs.

[MVP]

MVP, why are you voting Orc?

I'll summarize it to one sentence.
Post-claim actions.

[MVP]

My solution would be to pretend his results don't even exist until/unless he flips town. Obviously it's difficult to ignore that WIFOM if it arises, but cost-benefit analysis.

To be honest, I think at this point, lynching him will provide even more and faster info than keeping him alive for few more days.

[MVP]

His early read seemed to be purely based on Bauss' meta read. When we asked him why he was scumreading orcinus a few pages ago he said it was based on orcinus post-claim play and didn't mention reasons for suspecting orcinus prior to the claim.

Correction: My own meta read, not bauss's, as I mentioned here:

You have meta with me...

I do too.
And you're either playing really really lazy or you're not town (or both).

-L. J.

I like your pre-hiatus play better.
So step it up.

-L. J.

And there were no reason for my suspicion on orci because, you know, I didn't had any on him. I just had him as null and just watched him prior to our second vote on him:

10. orcinus_theoriginal - Null (from lazyfuck)

[MVP]

MVP, what do you think of #1989? It's pretty much the only reason we're contemplating not voting orc today.

Benefits of letting him live for another day:
-If town, we saved ourselves an investigative role, but his credibility will always be questioned (with the exclusion of other confirming PR's)
-If town and gets an inno, we get a clear but it dies anyways (unless we protect the clear and lynch/let the scum NK the cop)
-If town and gets a guilty, we can lynch the guilty

Cons of letting him live for another day:
-Potentially (not necessarily) lynch a town player because he claimed cop
-If scum, we just let him get away and he now gets to muddy the waters
-If scum PR (which isn't a given), he gets to use his ability
-If scum, we don't know the validity of his report(s)
-If scum, he can work with his scum-team to stay alive as long as possible and possibly endgame us, especially if the scum-team is experienced
-Regardless of alignment, we're mitigating the usefulness of associative information from Day 1

How do we determine when/if he dies? If he's scum, how do we know and will we be able to get him lynched?

Things you need to consider:
-This is not a quantitative argument. 6 is not necessarily better than 3 and it's mostly conditional.
-This is a closed set-up.
-Asking for cc's could just as well be rolefishing and may not necessarily confirm the validity of his claim.
-SK claims and cop claims are completely different animals because killing the SK helps fulfill the town's win condition. SK claims also don't bring WIFOM with them.

Regarding leashing:
-We would have to choose his targets for him (this can be a huge benefit if he's town)
-Multiple targets can be given to him if we fear his target might get NK'ed
-If he's scum, all his reports are WIFOM and we've fucked ourselves
-We always have the option of a no lynch, but this gives scum an opportunity of a free NK (2 if we need to avoid mylo later) in exchange for giving up an opportunity for town to lynch scum (or save a town PR depending on how you look at it)
-If newbtown are left in control, they can fuck it up


-As far as I know, our slot still thinks he's scum
-This post was written without a stance because people need to make this decision on their own
-If not Orc, then who?


~Pete (totally not Varsoon)

[MVP]

You are Varsoon. I knew it. Are you here? Can we chat?

Still not Varsoon.

What did you want to talk about?

[MVP]

I'll figure stuff out tomorrow but

Sakura Hana [LYNCH] - MC Maraca, orcinus_theoriginal, Cephrir, PeregrineV, JacobSavage, Toomai, Angry Frat BROs, Guyett,

Sakura Hana

I'll eat a brick if there were less than two scums here.

[MVP]

VOTE: orc

[MVP]

Also I feel like there's something missing between MCM and orci's, but I can't quite pinpoint what it is.

I'll add this to the list I figure out tomorrow.

[MVP]

"awkward" is better term to use, I guess.
Don't mind it, though. It's just a minor feeling.

[MVP]

Scum QT?

[MVP]

I can respect that.