Mini 1515: Touhou Imperishable Night (Game Over)

[BROseidon]

10/10 to mastin and Nacho. Would read again.

[BROseidon]

10/10 to mastin and Nacho. Would read again.

BRO! What's wrong with you? That was GiF.

>.<

[BROseidon]

4/10. Not nearly as good as mastin's

[BROseidon]

Wait that's not a joke?

[BROseidon]

Mac, tne, and GP all haven't posted, so I won't be able to figure out how you sorted those ones...

[BROseidon]

guise stop trolling me

[BROseidon]

[BROseidon]

OKAY EVERYONE LISTEN UP, READ THIS POST BEFORE YOU POST.

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Claim: PGO

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

THIS IS NOT A JOKE, THIS IS NOT A TEST, I'M A PGO SO IF YOU'RE SCUM PLEASE TARGET ME KTHX

What an odd set of circumstances. It just so happens that:


I claim miller-tracker

10/10

[BROseidon]

I totally DID remember the password to this hydra! Thanks for being online on Skype when I need you most, GiF!

HINT HINT GET ON SKYPE HINT HINT

Get a QT >:C

[BROseidon]

what the hell kind of crossposting is this I don't even

@BROs, morph: so how do you like the chance that GIF/Nacho used his special moment in a scum game?

I would put that chance at roughly whatever chance there is that they'd role scum in any given game, minus the fact that I have a slight townread on them right now.

[BROseidon]

Not loving thezmon221 caring about his wagon here:

Isn't it clear? He's clearly trying to mount a mislynch so early in the game against an obviously pro-town player.

--PA

I took that as tongue in cheek.

[BROseidon]

I'm reserving judgment on BRO right now; he totally duped me in NY 165. And it doesn't seem like he's settled down in this game yet anyways. My overall impression is that the people coming off Xenogears are currently in the after-party stage and, while amusing, it isn't giving me much in the way of reads.

PARTY TIME WOOHOO

[BROseidon]

I'm also scum-reading zmuffin, but that's because I don't believe the PGO claim and I always scum-read zmuffin. I was even scum-reading zmuffin in Xenogears. I had to constantly check to make sure he wasn't on my team that game.

...

OKAY EVERYONE LISTEN UP, READ THIS POST BEFORE YOU POST.

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Claim: PGO

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

THIS IS NOT A JOKE, THIS IS NOT A TEST, I'M A PGO SO IF YOU'RE SCUM PLEASE TARGET ME KTHX

No wonder all those crumbs slipped by you guys...

[BROseidon]

bork how the hell did you do that

0.0

I'm actually convinced that he runs a script on the thread that auto-posts to catch the top of page.

That or he really has no life >.>

JK BORK I <3 YOU

[BROseidon]

Early townreads on morph and psychlone, with a townleans on Muffin and pie.

VOTE: VarsoonVOTE: that jump was crazy awkward, and it's roughly where you jumped on the low-hanging fruit wagon last time as scum (5th on TD, 4th here)

[BROseidon]

also achievement unlocked http://puu.sh/55n4L.png o/

OMG those multiples of seven.

Also being even with ffery.

Will address your question presently.

[BROseidon]

I would put that chance at roughly whatever chance there is that they'd role scum in any given game, minus the fact that I have a slight townread on them right now.

Please don't ruin this moment for me.
I worked hard on it and was waiting for quite a while to use it

then what do you think about that post? ^

also an open question for morph

I took that as tongue in cheek.

I actually don't know what this means LOL. can you explain

I think it has to do more with the nature of the post; it's specific to someone who leads off with "hi guys," which I've only seen ffery do.

Regarding the second thing, I took what thez said to be a roundabout way of saying "I'm RVSing with OMGUS." In particular, I'm cueing in on the word "obviously" as an indicator of sarcasm. The fact that penguin (and a few others) have latched onto that seriously is concerning.

Also I fucked up vote tags.

VOTE: Varsoon

[BROseidon]

I'm gone for 1 day and I have 7 pages to catch up on.

In a mini.

Fuck you guys

[BROseidon]

10/10 to mastin and Nacho. Would read again.

Just because it's mastin and nacho?

4/10. Not nearly as good as mastin's

And 4/10 because we haven't posted.

Uhm... mastin was first poster, 10/10

Then pieguy 4/10?

Wtf?

Either buddying, or scumz
Or both, even.

10/10 to mastin and Nacho. Would read again.

BRO! What's wrong with you? That was GiF.

>.<

OR

He's just being so biased right now >.>

VOTE: BRO

8/10. Pretty solid.

[BROseidon]

lol @ the muffin/Varsoon interaction at the bottom of page 6.

I already quoted that he just lifted Venmar's claim from Xenogears.

[BROseidon]

VARSOON, DON'T STEAL MY STYLE OF USING YOUTUBE VIDEOS.

THAT'S MY STYLE.

MINE.

YA HEAR?

[BROseidon]

1. BROseidon - Varsoon vote reasons were bad and he should feel bad.
10. thezmon221 - Mastin vote and "mislynch on pro-town player" both pinged.

re me: :/
re thez: that you didn't take that as tongue in cheek still concerns me.

[BROseidon]

BRO's voting someone who's on a wagon that meets with my strong approval caught my attention. Town-BRO and I tend to think somewhat alike in the early game. This was especially apparent to me in the Diner game. I'm going to exercise more caution this game, though, because my day 1 scumread of him in Xenogears was still being discussed very late into that game. :/

I'm concerned about why you found thez scummy :/

[BROseidon]

This game is almost clique-ish due to the number of people who play often together on the player list.

[BROseidon]

These ones I want elaboration on. (Granted. I can actually maybe see the Psychlone one. But Nacho being Nacho, I'm not going to even go near considering a wagon on him. )

I don't like this.

If you think a player is scum, you should go after them, regardless of their perceived strength.

[BROseidon]

(he's to envolved early, when he generally lurks the hell out of D1 as town).

I lurk day 1 as both alignments.

[BROseidon]

Wait, reading comprehension.

SELF META TIME WOOHOO:

I've lurked day 1 in all 3 of my completed scum games (WitME is sort of hard to count here, because you ended that D1 early. I still lurked day 1 in Xenoblade and NY 165)
I've lurked day 1 as town in a lot of my town games (Death's diner had me fairly active early, then lurking, then active again once I was wagoned)
I've also had crazy activity early in towngames (Jobpick sticks out here)

Basically, my posting pattern is fairly erratic and more indicative of how many games I'm in/how busy I am than it is of my alignment.

[BROseidon]

If you're expecting reasons for the ping, too bad. I have none. Pure gut.

I love arguing with gut

brb finding scum instead.

[BROseidon]

Explain, then?

I took it as cheeky, and I find early cheekiness towny.

[BROseidon]

What do you mean? I'm not following you...

This was directed at morph. The fact that ffery/GiF found it forced is strange, because I found it cheeky (in a natural way), and ffery and I are usually on the same page.

[BROseidon]

how's this going for you?

Pretty good, actually. Starting to get stuff sorted.

[BROseidon]

Regardless. I hate Pie's #113 the most out of everything in this fucking thread. Town shouldn't be encouraging early claims, even if a trick like that would work on scum Varsoon. There's not much fucking point in it. Varsoon's shit-lord comment seems genuine, but I'm not going to call this scum v. town because of the fuckery above...although I'm leaning towards town by the way he explains what a scum fuck she is in every way possible. Also, Muff's town right now, I'm fairly sure. Stop scumreading him. You're as bad as me with fucking PV.

Ghost, y u post this.

This looks like scum-you. Are you scum?

[BROseidon]

Brain derp >.>

Sorry cabd. <3 you, though.

[BROseidon]

RBO

are you always like this?

You sound so much like the narrator on the stanley parable.

All you do is pretty much commentate on everything people do for 1 time, and then you don't pursue anything after commentating.

Do you think that what their doing is for scum?
or for town?
Why can't you ever, EVER, pursue and/or explain what's wrong with the stuff you quote?

Plus, the only vote you did was a varsoon vote. ON THE WHOLE GAME
TO TOP IT ALL OFF
IT WAS THE MOST POPULAR WAGON OF IT'S TIME

Scuuuuuuuummmmmmmmmzzzzzzzzzz

1) Spell my name right.

2) I range from being like this to being a huge troll. Depends on how I'm feeling.

3) I literally just commented on something that made me think Ghost is scum, and I've been trying to get more interactions with ffery to gauge whether she's scum.

4) If you want elaboration, I can give it.

5) Thez was more popular than Varsoon.

Your case is bad and you should feel bad.

[BROseidon]

Dunno if "usually" is true. I all but tunneled you on day 1 of xenogears, and was getting pretty squinty-eyed about you on day 1 of Rach's Narnia uPick.

I forgot about Rach's upick :/

I guess we've only moved in lockstep in Death's Diner. And those times I was scum.

[BROseidon]

Looked at SSK, no idea what you got from those 2 posts.

[BROseidon]

5) WELL THAT MAKES IT WORSE THEN

Brings up that I was on the most popular wagon as evidence that I'm scum.

Fact that it wasn't the the most popular wagon somehow makes this stronger evidence that I'm scum.

[BROseidon]

Looked at SSK, no idea what you got from those 2 posts.

Guess you'll have to wait and see what I pull from my bag of tricks, now won't you.

If it's as compelling as the case you've brought so far, I'm sure I'll be convinced

[BROseidon]

Dunno if "usually" is true. I all but tunneled you on day 1 of xenogears, and was getting pretty squinty-eyed about you on day 1 of Rach's Narnia uPick.

I forgot about Rach's upick :/

I guess we've only moved in lockstep in Death's Diner. And those times I was scum.

I was lazy and trusted orcinus' read in 165, instead of reevaluating after that monstrosity of a day 5.

and I've been trying to get more interactions with ffery to gauge whether she's scum.

82 posts and counting. I'm not that difficult to interact with.

1) lol day 5

2) Something feels off, and I'm not sure if I'm being paranoid or if it's justified.

[BROseidon]

So what did you think about empking's rings mechanic, pie? Do you think town could have won?

Please don't make me have an aneurysm...

[BROseidon]

Or, alternatively, it was muffin who told you that about Wayne's scumplay, since he was in that game too.

...you forgot that I was in that game?

[BROseidon]

Oh, good. Self meta that clears your own fucking play sins. That's nice. I fucking don't understand why this had to be said or this is a defense of anything. And you're doing the fucking opposite right now, so do we treat this as fucking opposite day?

Wayne says thing wrong about me, I correct thing. Seems reasonable.

[BROseidon]

Eh 528 looks like town Ghost after all :/

I was looking forward to nailing your ass and following through this time...

[BROseidon]

It's unnerving that Pyschlone has a way to consistently townread me that I am still not aware of, but maybe that's a good thing? I dunno. It certainly helps if we're both town.

Anyways, reading onward, I'm feeling that SSK and Waynegg are -weaker-, but I don't think that equates to -scummier-. I think this is what people are seeing, and why they've curried some votes. They're easy targets right now, imo.

People painting me vs Pie as Town Versus Town makes me upset. I did the same thing for a moment with Mala/Nick in Xenogears. I love doing this when one of my scum partners is on the line, especially when the town is likely to be the lynch. One town flips and I can hold the fear of a mislynch over the heads of the townbase. So, to you guys, I am skeptical.

There's definitely scum between Morph and Pieguy.

Also, if there's a cop in this game, please claim now.

This was too cogent for your town game until I got down to the last line.

UNVOTE: Varsoon

[BROseidon]

VOTE: Wayne

Your interactions with muffin and thez remind me of how you dealt with SK/Andy/Amrun in LotR.

[BROseidon]

can you elaborate on that plz?

Wayne's always somewhat abrasive, but he doesn't get this aggressive on people as town (Xenoblade, Xenogears, War in the Middle East). He's being more abrasive than usual, which reminds me of his play in LotR, where he played much more abrasively to throw Amrun/the SK/Andy hydra off.

[BROseidon]

so you think that's something he wouldn't be able to fake as scum?

He can fake the craziness a bit, but not in ways like this.

His faked craziness in Xenogears was convoluted; this is straightforward in a way that looks authentic.

[BROseidon]

@BROs: can you give more examples of craziness that doesn't seem faked?

Biggest one that comes to mind is Xenoblade; it's super long, anywayshere's the game for your reading pleasure.

[BROseidon]

you really think asking for a cop claim is something he'd find difficult to do as scum? this is what made you change your mind about him?

I find it difficult to believe that he wouldn't do something more complex to make us go, "OMG, that's townVarsoon's craziness."

[BROseidon]

So even if I'm off here on who I think is scum(or who I'm saying I think is scum anyhow) it would be more indicative of town meta than scum meta, yes?

I don't think the abrasivity is indicative of scumhunting. I think it's indicative of getting people off his back, which is more of a scum thing than a town thing.

[BROseidon]

really. this sucks, and I expect better from you cabd(?) - how many times does a fucking scumslip result in a scumlynch? (-50 points for whomever quotes varsoon in that mini game) having been lynched for a scumslip as town, you should probably try harder than that.

But that was hilarious ^_^

[BROseidon]

Onward as in basically vanilla N1 and then watcher from N2 until I die or the game ends.

Bork had a delayed PR in his last game. This makes sense as a role. Would also explain wanting people off you :/

VOTE: SSK

[BROseidon]

Mac's JOAT was delayed.

[BROseidon]

Mac - Khan Wong, Possessed Warrior of the Nisan Alliance, was killed Night 7.

A Possessed Warrior is a delayed JOAT.

[BROseidon]

Hey mastin, I have a present for you:

[BROseidon]

To answer Bro--you haven't seen the full history, but you've seen part of it. In Xenogears, in fact. I wasn't townreading Nacho then, but his mislynch was almost a direct result of me pushing this heavily. Another aspect of it can be found in Chosen, where that same paranoia came in on D2.

So you don't like going after strong players that you scumread early because you're afraid that you might mislynch them.

wat.

[BROseidon]

Am I following your logic correctly?

[BROseidon]

Let's be honest here: When isn't this the case? I don't know if I have played a game with mastin as town where he hasn't waffled. It certainly was the case last Xeno game and he flipped town.

Was I claiming he's scum for it?

[BROseidon]

Outside perspective... BRO ~ what do you think of the intro on that post you quoted right there?

I don't like the phrase, but it would indicate that he's nervous about me pointing out mastin's waffling. Makes a good associative tell, but doesn't seem scum motivated unless mastin is scum.

[BROseidon]

TNE do you have any reads that don't just match what everyone else is saying?

every one of those reads seems like it just matches the popular opinion of those players.

also, what's your opinion on morph's "scumslip"?

Why do people keep saying this when I'm not under any real pressure and nobody other than TNE has me as their first choice for scum?

[BROseidon]

oh hell no I'm not reading 234 pages of posts

anyway, can you give examples in this game? since this is the game we're trying to sort him in, I'm looking for more stuff specific to this game.

Dual-ISO Varsoon and Orcinus and read through day 1 (especially the part where they start walling each other)

[BROseidon]

Yes?

I don't see why you think this is strange. I'll make notes of strong players that I scumread, and point it out. But I'm not going to push them. Not strongly. Because I'm not a scumhunting god. I'm a decently-mediocre player, even upper-mediocre. My reads are right more often than they are wrong, but they ARE wrong, and wrong a ton. What if I were wrong on that strong player being scum? Then I've just sabotaged us both, and given the scum a MASSIVE edge. It's better to take things more casually. And work with them, hash it out so to speak. Let them see it, let them have a chance to talk me out of it, basically, prod about it and get more info on them before I make a final decision.

It's not the kind of player I want to commit to on D1, if that makes sense.

This makes sense, although I still don't agree with the approach. Especially in a game like this where there's a lot of strong players.

[BROseidon]

So you don't like going after strong players that you scumread early because you're afraid that you might mislynch them.

Yes?

I don't see why you think this is strange. I'll make notes of strong players that I scumread, and point it out. But I'm not going to push them. Not strongly. Because I'm not a scumhunting god. I'm a decently-mediocre player, even upper-mediocre. My reads are right more often than they are wrong, but they ARE wrong, and wrong a ton. What if I were wrong on that strong player being scum? Then I've just sabotaged us both, and given the scum a MASSIVE edge.

It's better to take things more casually. And work with them, hash it out so to speak. Let them see it, let them have a chance to talk me out of it, basically, prod about it and get more info on them before I make a final decision.

It's not the kind of player I want to commit to on D1, if that makes sense.

I've replied to you. I don't see much work with or hash out happening here, Mastin. And I see a whole lot of oooooh but I might be. You wouldn't be distancing would you?

This is valid.

I don't like the part where mastin disappeared for just long enough for me to notice, but then posted before I was going to call him on lurking, then engaged with limited parts of the thread.

mastin are you scum?

[BROseidon]

If that's mastin's usual take, I wonder what his definition of "strong" is.

[BROseidon]

However, I didn't like the 624 reasons for the vote, and made a note to bring that up with Cabd when we synch our reads. In the Wayne games I've read, I've found him to be plenty abrasive as town.

He was worse in LotR than any of the town games I've had with him.

[BROseidon]

Outside perspective... BRO ~ what do you think of the intro on that post you quoted right there?

I don't like the phrase, but it would indicate that he's nervous about me pointing out mastin's waffling. Makes a good associative tell, but doesn't seem scum motivated unless mastin is scum.

I'm talking about these and liespotting

Huh that's weird.

Ffery, what caused that? I

personally

don't see anything in my post that would change your stance,

personally

.

Honestly

, apart from his rage against BRO, in Post 350, I haven't seen much value in his posts. Not to mention, he harps on BRO in said post for commentating, but does the same himself, except for that post.

Let's be honest here[/b]: When isn't this the case? I don't know if I have played a game with mastin as town where he

hasn't

waffled. It certainly was the case last Xeno game and he flipped town.

I missed that, although I only looked at the thing you'd quoted when you asked me instead of his whole ISO.

[BROseidon]

That's called my weekend V/LA, BRO. Check my sig. It's been there for months.

I never noticed :/

[BROseidon]

And I'm perplexed that I'm your strongest scum read because I am not used to town-you getting my alignment this wrong.

Why aren't you considering the possibility that mastin's scum?

[BROseidon]

@BROs:

can you plz explain why you seem to like jumping on wagons? first Varsoon, and then wayne.

2 wagons in 25 pages is wagon hopping?

Wat.

[BROseidon]

err, 3 in thirty if you count me putting my vote on SSK.

[BROseidon]

And I'm perplexed that I'm your strongest scum read because I am not used to town-you getting my alignment this wrong.

Why aren't you considering the possibility that mastin's scum?

Why aren't you reading my posts?

Nowhere have you stated "I think mastin is scum," and the way you're interacting with him reads to me like you should be scumreading him but aren't for some reason.

[BROseidon]

I was thinking, you've jumped onto two wagons now citing nothing but meta. your jump on wayne was citing meta about being abrasive and it seems so similar to your jump on Varsoon citing meta about vote position because of this. also, both wagons seemed like points where there'd be a possibility of some big breakthrough happening. I was starting to full-out attack Varsoon when you jumped on him and your vote on wayne was near the start of the whole thing with him. I just wanna know if you have some sort of idea behind this or not?

I like using meta early. So sue me

[BROseidon]

@BROs: is it a coincidence that you used meta after there were already some votes placed? I don't see why you couldn't be using meta right away even if someone has no votes on them.

Oh yes, I should have someone placed the vote on Varsoon while I was offline and when you got the vote in right after his bad jump.

With Wayne, I was watching stuff play out and comparing it to LotR.

[BROseidon]

And I'm perplexed that I'm your strongest scum read because I am not used to town-you getting my alignment this wrong

This sentence reads that you think mastin is town.

Why would you be confused if you think mastin's scum?

[BROseidon]

No, it does not read that I think mastin is town. It reads that I'm talking to him as though he could be town. And I'm listening to the echoes that come back in the conversation from being talked to as a potential teammate.

I'm really surprised you've never noticed this about my game before. I routinely suspend overt suspicion when interacting with players I'm not townreading, and I think about what their responses suggest about their alignment.

This is the first time I've noticed it :/

[BROseidon]

Changed my mind.

VOTE: BROseidon.

Think morph's town, but not getting that townvibe from BRO.

10/10 great case right there.

[BROseidon]

Outside perspective... BRO ~ what do you think of the intro on that post you quoted right there?

I don't like the phrase, but it would indicate that he's nervous about me pointing out mastin's waffling. Makes a good associative tell, but doesn't seem scum motivated unless mastin is scum.

I'm talking about these and liespotting

Huh that's weird.

Ffery, what caused that? I

personally

don't see anything in my post that would change your stance,

personally

.

Honestly

, apart from his rage against BRO, in Post 350, I haven't seen much value in his posts. Not to mention, he harps on BRO in said post for commentating, but does the same himself, except for that post.

Let's be honest here[/b]: When isn't this the case? I don't know if I have played a game with mastin as town where he

hasn't

waffled. It certainly was the case last Xeno game and he flipped town.

I missed that, although I only looked at the thing you'd quoted when you asked me instead of his whole ISO.

You mean this, or was there another question that I missed?

[BROseidon]

Oh, I guess I didn't mention that those look really bad and that I'm reevaluating my thez read.

[BROseidon]

BRO's posting style seems to be becoming more and more like AP's every day :/

That AFB hydra is making it worse :/

[BROseidon]

But he wasn't scum there, was he...?

He was 3rd party who couldn't win with town (won when all scum were eliminated and had ring, town had to destroy ring).

[BROseidon]

Current reads list, since Nacho asked so nicely:

Town:

pieguyn
psyche
GP
{mastin/morph}
{wayne/thez}

null-town:

muffinz
Varsoon

null:

Mac

null-scum:

SSK
TNE

scum:

{mastin/morph}
{Wayne/Thez}

The bracketed groups are groups where I think both people look bad, but are mutually exclusive as scum (what I had for bnb/nick in Xenogears AND YES I KNOW I WAS WRONG ABOUT THAT)

[BROseidon]

then why are you voting someone you're "null-scum" on instead of someone you actually think is scum?

I want more time to sort the pairings.

[BROseidon]

I want more time to sort the pairings.

you didn't have that issue when voting nick in xenogears

why do you think those 4 "look bad"? and what are you doing to sort them?

Learned my lesson after nick >.>

Reason for those four is that the interactions within those pairs feel off. With Wayne/Thez, it's Wayne's aggression combined with thez's defensive/hedged language. With mastin/morph, it's the awkward posturing. Both instances make me think it's TvS, and I want more time to figure out who is what.

Plan is to let more material come in for analysis, and do a reread this coming weekend if I have time.

[BROseidon]

@Mod V/LA through Saturday

[BROseidon]

Catchup time WOOHOO:

@TNE The miller tracker claim, the PGO claim, and the crumbs reference were references to Xenoblade and Xenogears. That you're trying to paint me joking around at the start of the game is scummy is pretty bad.

How was my vote more of an opportunity vote than Varsoon's? I couldn't jump on before pieguy started the push BECAUSE I WASN'T ON MY GODDAMN COMPUTER. Also, I brought in additional evidence about how Varsoon positions on wagons, not just copying pie's reasoning.

The grading is me trolling. Don't try to read motivation into it, it's something I do for my own amusement while the game starts up.

Wayne misreps my meta, but it's scummy for me to correct him on something that 1) Cabd probably knows off-hand and 2) Anyone can verify because I keep my wiki completely up to date on completed games. Wat.

When I provide reasoning for pursuing another read, you misrep it as an opportunity vote. Again.

Pressure vote to fill my time=opportunity vote. Got it.

Reasons for town group:

pie strikes me as town because his posting seems town-motivated. His positions resonate with what I feel about the gamestate, and I like the way he's pushed things.
Ghost I can read after 1-2 posts consistently. My only misread of him was because of mechanics messing with the read and disincentivizing me from actually sorting the slot.
Psyche seems town. I also default townread Nacho, so I'm going to recalibrate this read later.

Muffin is null-town because his play strikes me more like his Xeno play than Death's Diner play. He seems more focused and tunnel-ey, instead of just throwing suspicion every which way.

Varsoon seems like he's in his town meta, but he threw me in Xenogears, so I'm not being as cocky in my ability to read him as I used to be.

Mac is null because I don't know how to read him, and he's provided relatively minimal content.

You're leaning scum because you're manipulating everything I say to pursue a scumcase on me. It's like you think I'm an easy mislynch, so you're doing everything you can to paint everything I post as scummy instead of trying to discern what my motivations are (this is most evident in your treatment of my joke posts)

SSK is leaning scum because he's lurking and asking super-surface level questions

The interaction/based reads are a thing I do to try to work out teams early. I'm better at working with patterns/interactions than I am individual pieces of data, and those interactions feel T/S to me because I can see scumminess in each party's posts, but it seems to gung-ho to be a bus. With morph and mastin, the interactions with me have also read a bit off, and with wayne/thez, the individual postings also read scummy.

this has me worried. bro you haven't even tried to sort me out/read my interactions/comment on anything i've done. why? are you happy for me to be null?

You come in occasionally to post, and everything you post seems sound on surface level, but then I remember my posting from Xenoblade and think that it looks a bit like that. You're probing with surface level questions that other people are missing, but at the same time you aren't digging in super deep and you're not active.

This looks like a bus, I'll be honest. The bit about SSK looks like scum talking to scum, with them in the scum pile. IF I'm right, that'd make TNE town, though. IF I'm right, I think the buddy would be in the town range, and the candidates for that are BRO (likely) and Psychlone. But all of this relies on pie being scum, which quite frankly is just a random thought I had that I have zero backing for.

...and you scumread me for trying to sort by associative tells early? The eff?

I'm okay with how the SSK wagon builds.

mastin asking for a claim but not a lynch pings. Running people up with the intent to claim is a shitty strategy, and mastin's good enough to know that.

SSK's defense reeks.

Though that said, morph's probably town. (The real concern is on Psychlone and GP.)

The fact that you don't find GP obv-town is concerning.

I like Wayne's aggressive play in response to the fake-shot.

Err, real shot?

I used it. BRO saw.

Pretty sure he did, although I'm not remembering any specifics off the top of my head. He uses it every game.

Helpful Mastin-meta hint:

If my posts seem rock-solid and logical, but feel faked, I'm scum.
If my posts look like they're flawed and full of holes, but FEEL really legitimate, I'm town.

HEY TNE YOU WANT TO COME CALL THIS SCUM TOO.

Okay, so it was a fake-shot coming from a real 1-shot dayvig. Wat.

SSK's reaction is shit.

btw morph I think I know what you crumbed in there. Not sure if Cabd setting up a really brilliant fakeclaim or...

@morph you're also having a hard time reading GP? I can help you with that.

If we die, we're pretty confadent in our reads. Just sayin.

So I'm not insane...

That townflip's surprising...

On the flip side, pie is conftown because I doubt scum would have an executioner in a 13p game.

2 scum in those names? it's possible there's only 1 given how many people were softly supporting that wagon without actually jumping on it. i'm guessing BRO is one and if there's another it's in the late supporters {thez, morph}. i didn't like the way either of them slid onto the wagon.

It's probably thez.

VOTE: Thez

@muffin: quality case right there. I'm town: You're doing that thing that you did in Xenogears where you get a shit read on me and refuse to articulate a decent reason for it beyond "lol you're scum." Sad that that's your town game.

actually, the more i look at it, the more i think thez's reaction to the dayvig was town. i don't see thez-scum thinking it's a good idea to discredit someone who has claimed dayvig and isn't particularly fond of him. he'd be walking a fucking fine line hoping pieguy takes a shot at mafiaSSK over him.

Except for the fact that dayvig claims are fake 95% of the time. It's a safe thing to push, if anything.

UNVOTE:

Guess pieguy can't very well be a Dayvig -and- scum.

Technically he

could

be an executioner, but putting one of those in a 13p game is more ridiculous than having a scum pgo *wink*

tl;dr I'm thinking that scumteam is thez/mastin/tne now, tne is the weakest read because he could just be shitty town. pie is conftown and I would be conftowning morph if cabd weren't in that hydra :/

[BROseidon]

TNE

[BROseidon]

That entire section's directed at him.

[BROseidon]

And I'm also pretty sure

That's not the reason

I read you as scum

Lists reason that I'm scum.

I explain why that reason's bullshit.

"OH EM GEE THAT'S NOT WHY I'M SCUMREADING YOU."

You list it as a reason, it's a thing for me to refute. You don't get to backtrack later.

[BROseidon]

@TNE The miller tracker claim, the PGO claim, and the crumbs reference were references to Xenoblade and Xenogears. That you're trying to paint me joking around at the start of the game is scummy is pretty bad.

How was my vote more of an opportunity vote than Varsoon's? I couldn't jump on before pieguy started the push BECAUSE I WASN'T ON MY GODDAMN COMPUTER. Also, I brought in additional evidence about how Varsoon positions on wagons, not just copying pie's reasoning.

The grading is me trolling. Don't try to read motivation into it, it's something I do for my own amusement while the game starts up.

Wayne misreps my meta, but it's scummy for me to correct him on something that 1) Cabd probably knows off-hand and 2) Anyone can verify because I keep my wiki completely up to date on completed games. Wat.

When I provide reasoning for pursuing another read, you misrep it as an opportunity vote. Again.

Pressure vote to fill my time=opportunity vote. Got it.

And here's me explaining why your reasons are bullshit.

And why aren't you jumping on mastin for his self-meta? I guess it's okay to self-meta unprovoked when it's your scumbuddy, but when the townie does it IN RESPONSE TO SOMEONE MISREPPING HIS META it's scummy.

[BROseidon]

More people think thez is scum :/

[BROseidon]

BUT YOU THINK I'M SCUM

So why are you not voting me?

HOLY FUCKING SHIT. YOU CAN'T BE THIS DENSE.

THERE ARE MULTIPLE PEOPLE I THINK ARE SCUM.

YOU'RE ON THAT LIST.

SO IS THEZMON.

ONE OF THESE PEOPLE ALREADY HAS A WAGON.

I'M ALLOWED TO WANT MULTIPLE PEOPLE LYNCHED AT THE SAME TIME.

[BROseidon]

Not claiming shit.

I'll drop it

[BROseidon]

Yo pie GP's town.

I could write up a full case later, I can read Ghost like an open book. His diction changes super dramatically between town and scum.

[BROseidon]

What do you want me to do, rewrite shit that's already been written by the everyone else scumreading thez?

Yeah, that sounds productive

[BROseidon]

Yo pie GP's town.

I could write up a full case later, I can read Ghost like an open book. His diction changes super dramatically between town and scum.

can you elaborate on this?

if not, do you think that's something he's not able to fake as scum?

What I'm referring to is primarily the tone of Ghost's posts, but it also extrapolates to his positions.

From my experience, scumGhost likes making friends and avoiding conflict. He does this by being polite and hyper-reasonable in his diction. He doesn't swear as much, and his tone is much less abrasive.

Similarly, his positions become less defined. After his first post in this game, I quoted a paragraph and asked if he was scum because it was waffley. ScumGhost is waffley. He takes positions that aren't going to ruffle feathers. Town Ghost doesn't care, because he cares less about towncred. As a result, townGhost is more aggressive, and will go after people more.

This all could be faked, but it doesn't read as faked right now. If it is, its fakeness will shine through after a few days, and I'll have the added bonus of getting a better read on the penguin-side (I can't read her well day 1 ).

[BROseidon]

So what'd you do?

Sheep everyone else because huehuehue?

Yeah that sounds so town

VOTE: BRO

"LIKE OH EM GEE, SOMEONE ELSE MADE VALID POINTS ABOUT SOMEONE THAT YOU ARE FOLLOWING. THAT IS SO SCUMMY"

Does everyone have to have original reasoning about why they have a scumread on someone? You realize that the game wouldn't move then, right?

Please tell me you're scum and not just dense.

[BROseidon]

That doesn't look like waffling to me.

Quote 1 reads: "I hate reaction tests but their town. Also your (mastin, I think?) response is scummy."

Quote 2 reads: Nevermind I have no idea what he's saying here.

I'll keep a bit more of an eye on him than I was planning. Still not feeling bad about him, though.

[BROseidon]

I'm scum

k

VOTE: TNE Hey guys he claimed scum, we should lynch him ^_^

[BROseidon]

the first one was about SSK. he's essentially saying what I did was bullshit but that I was right anyway. that way if I end up being wrong he can go back and say again "reaction tests are bullshit"

the second one doesn't make any sense. he's saying I'm scummy because my reads are based on what people are doing and not directly personal. note how he didn't push me at all after I gave my response to that

I know the first was about SSK, but he was responding to something mastin said.

Reaction tests are bullshit. They're a cheap tactic that are more annoying than useful. That's what Ghostlin's saying. He's also saying that they normally come from town.

I think you're just not understanding what he's saying there.

pedit: I'm a guilty child. Everyone always scumreads me. Get with the times

[BROseidon]

What the fuck is going on in this game?

Ffery go home you're drunk.

Ooh what's drunk ffery like?

I feel like she'd be super fun to go drinking with.

[BROseidon]

He means bullshit as in a cheap tactic.

There's the disconnect.

[BROseidon]

if it's a cheap tactic, I'd think that would imply that it doesn't work very well. otherwise it'd be a perfectly valid tactic

Cheap as in dirty.

[BROseidon]

if that's the case, I'd think that would serve to imply that the person using it is on the opposite alignment as you. under the assumption that everyone is playing to win, if someone on the same side as you uses it, then there should be no problem, explicitly because of how dirty it is. however, he seems to be raging about it a lot. (then again SSK did the same thing and he was town)

I still think he could easily waffle off that statement if need be, saying reaction tests don't give valid results.

There's a fundamental difference in philosophy that you're missing.

Here's an article that explains Ghost's perspective on this, I think (treat Ghost as the scrub):

http://www.sirlin.net/articles/playing- ... art-1.html

[BROseidon]

Meh. Experiential meta is a lot more complicated than this implies, but strongly parallel reads has been a town alignment indicator. However on one occasion where he was scum and my townpile was fucking riddled with scum (thanks, Cabd ) he was happy to "parallel" most of my reads.

So a lot of the times when our reads agree, we've both been town.

But then there was that one time where I faked it because I was scum. That's also the only scumBRO/townffery game in existence.

I don't get what point you're trying to make here.

[BROseidon]

First off, the entire method of catching up is scum-oriented, in that the stream-of-consciousness posting he's doing is meant to make him look like an ignorant townie, but the simple fact of the matter is, it's fake-as-hell. He knew damn good and well what he was doing the entire time he was typing it, and bluntly, he wasn't in the dark as much as he was pretending to be. Then there's a bundle-load of bad things in the post. I'll quote them later when I have more free time available. Basically, they're convenient, they're opportunistic, they're artificial-as-hell, and overall REEK of pushing a scum agenda.

I can say things too with "reasons" that I don't substantiate so that people'll be lazy and sheep me.

AKA I'm looking forward to your "case" so I can rip it to shreds

[BROseidon]

wait wtf, GP wasn't even on SSK?

In that case, I really don't like how he was saying he was suspicious of SSK

Did you guys just start realizing that SSK was doing fuck-all? Or did these votes exist for another reason? I approve either way.

I love how people be hatin on the lurkers.

There's this new and exciting thing we call playing the game. It's all the rage with all of us who want to catch scum. And scum usually try to fake it if they don't want to get compromise policy shit lynched Day 1.

It's refreshing to see obv-scum not bother to fake it, tho', it kind of reminds me where I can always go for scum, like a going to the convenience store to get a slurpee.

this just seems like he was trying to further the wagon on SSK without actually being on there. it's another case of him not really pursuing anything and instead just commenting on it

now that I think about it more, if he's really scum trying to fake his town meta via tone/diction, it would explain where the hell that logic on me came from:

can you explain the "play based" vs. "read based"? I don't understand what you mean here.

Mostly based on how the game is played, rather than the people contained within it. In other words, I'm not feeling the definite reads vibe from you, and considering you're not proven you're as cheeky as Mastin for example, it feels...off.

interesting, he's placing suspicion on me because I'm looking at his actions and outright ignoring his tone/diction. but this is just speculation

Ugh I better not be wrong on my Ghost read, or I'll be pissed. This makes more sense than I want it to make.

[BROseidon]

(Yes. I know. I was off the wagon and pushed him as scum, too. I fully realize it makes me more suspicious. Doesn't change that I find the other player slots who've done the same thing to be any less likely to be scum. )

"Let me point out how this scummier behavior I've done is scummy so that people are less likely to find it scummy."

[BROseidon]

k

VOTE: TNE Hey guys he claimed scum, we should lynch him ^_^

really?

Jokes are hard, let's go shopping.

VOTE: mastin

Since apparently nobody wants to lynch Thez anymore.

[BROseidon]

Btw muffin your case against me continues to be incredibly compelling. So compelling, in fact, that you've almost got me convinced that I'm scum. It's almost as good as your case on me from Xenogears.

Oh, wait...

[BROseidon]

Also, Mac's latest catchup feels pretty good except for the rolefish on ffery/cabd.

pedit: No, I'm 1) Taking jabs at the fact that I still think your case was shit and 2) Your case is even more shit this time around on me.

[BROseidon]

I'm 6-1 in games where I haven't been mislynched/vigged, and 3-3 in games where I have been mislynched. Therefore, I should never be lynched.

Mastin, are you reading your own logic?

Also, we can add the gratuitous amounts of

unprompted

self meta to why you're scum.

[BROseidon]

Self-meta used in defense, sure, scum. But I'm not using this self-meta as the defense. I started out just randomly throwing it out 'cause I felt like it. But then, I caught a sliver of something--something that felt off about players' reactions to it. So, I prodded a bit further. And now?

Now, that self-meta has been weaponized as an offense. The self-meta I am using is not to demonstrate why I am town. That's quite literally self-evident in all my posting, that I am about as obvtown as a Mastin-who's-drawn-too-many-scum-PMs can be when drawing a town PM. It's to show why others (yourself included) are scum. For not realizing it.

I'll be frank, BRO. Let's deal in the theoretical scenario that you're town. You're barking up the WORST possible tree. And I will hound you, I will bite you in the ass, I will hunt you down and make you dead because of it. But you're not town. You're scum, who's made the mistake of believing that Mastin may actually be mislynchable this game. And it's going to cost you.

1) Implicit in "If Nacho were town he'd know that I'm town, therefore he's scum" is "I'm town." You've mixed the defense in with the offense.

2) It's cute that you think you have a bigger bite than me. Maybe the tibetan mastiff avatar isn't enough of a warning...

[BROseidon]

wayne rejoin the varsoon wagon. everyone else jump on too, we have cookies!

I love cookies.

But I love lynching scum more. Convince me that he's scummier than mastin/thez/TNE.

[BROseidon]

Your threats don't scare me, scum

[BROseidon]

10/10 reasoning right there. mastin wins the thread.

[BROseidon]

AND YOU'VE JUST DONE THE "LOOK AT ME ADMIT TO THIS OPENLY SCUMMY THING I'M DOING SO I LOOK LESS SCUMMY" THING. AGAIN.

HOLY FUCK CAN SOMEONE EXPLAIN WHY WE HAVEN'T LYNCHED THIS.

EXPLAIN TO ME.

[BROseidon]

...Though...speaking of which...in a way? You're doing the same thing. If the stuff that I'm pointing out about you is scummy (despite me having done it), you're admitting that it was scummy of you to have done it if you think it's scummy coming from me.

Where the fuck have I admitted that anything I've done is scummy.

[BROseidon]

Is this about the self-meta.

Because there's a word I bolded in what you did that doesn't apply to me.

Is reading hard for you, or are you scum? I'm thinking the latter.

[BROseidon]

Hey asshat, want me to point out all of the places where I've called mastin scum?

Dat. Misrep.

[BROseidon]

Like, I've been calling mastin scum for far longer than I've been voting him.

(in b4 I have to point out that I'm allowed to have multiple scumreads because scum are going to push the "BUT YOU WEREN'T VOTING HIM" angle)

[BROseidon]

(in b4 I have to point out that I'm allowed to have multiple scumreads because scum are going to push the "BUT YOU WEREN'T VOTING HIM" angle)

And yet again, if you thought that mastin was scum

Why were you voting thez?

[BROseidon]

I can't even

[BROseidon]

(in b4 I have to point out that I'm allowed to have multiple scumreads because scum are going to push the "BUT YOU WEREN'T VOTING HIM" angle)

And yet again, if you thought that mastin was scum

Why were you voting thez?

^For Varsoon.

Can we stop the "IF YOU THINK I'M SCUM, Y U NO VOTE ME" bullshit. If you're scum and pushing it: stop, it's not going to work. If you're town: get your head out of your ass and learn to play the fucking game.

[BROseidon]

Also, we can add the gratuitous amounts of

unprompted

self meta to why you're scum.

that part pinged so hard for me it alone made me question my townread on him

it seemed like he was conscious of what's scummy and what's not, and wanted to emphasize that this was different than his use of self meta to avoid getting called out for it

I'm still townreading him though cause this seems like a really personal thing, but I wanna look at him again

Self-metas in response to someone misrepping meta, gets called scummy for it.

Points out when someone else's use of self meta is actually scummy, gets called scummy for it.

wtf I can't win.

[BROseidon]

VOTE: TNE

in b4 someone says I'm sheeping when I've stated multiple times that I'm fine with a TNE lynch.

[BROseidon]

I don't think your use of self-meta was scummy. the thing that pinged me was how you put a lot of emphasis on "unprompted", like you were conscious of your own action when you made it.

People are generally conscious of their own actions when they make them...

I've explained multiple times why I self-meta'd there. I normally won't do that.

Hey mastin2, you said you expected to scum read me, implying that you would scum read me irrespective of my alignment. Yet in looking back through mutual games of ours, counting at least those where you were solo and where you were hydra'd (not sure about my hydras) we had scum-town, town-scum, and town-town examples. I couldn't find a town-town game where you mentioned in-thread having a scum read on me. I found ones where you'd eliminated me from the 'people you want to lynch' group and/or town read me, but I don't think town-you has ever scum read town-me.

You have clearly called me out as scum correctly as in WWE, and you've deliberately helped mislynched me when you were scum. I'm not saying you read me so perfectly that you couldn't be wrong, but I'm not finding evidence for your start-of-game stance here.

What am I missing?

--PA

That he's scum.

Also, I find it quite concerning how neither Ghostlin nor Nacho are around, so close to deadline, despite them being MY centers of attention. (For that matter, BRO's presence seems lessened as of late.)

"Everyone else should play mafia relative to my interest in them."

...

I could be misremembering where the townreads and scumreads were trending at that point, but his list did not look like some sort of "average" take. I don't have time to research this in detail right now, but will try to get back to it before the day ends. I don't see myself voting TNE today unless someone I'd trust enough to follow them off a cliff presents an absolutely killer case.

You're misremembering.

Once Cabd is awake and around, I want us both to go through thezmon, GP and BRO. I think our lynch choices are going to lie in that group. NachoGiF' lack of presence bothers me a lot but right or wrong, I value them both so much as players if they are town that I'm willing to see what today/tonight brings and then focus on them tomorrow.

And you don't value me?

Like uh.... he felt sorta like he got some towncred and then got the fuck out of dodge to let the shootouts happen and come loot the survivors?

Yes

[BROseidon]

bro is that seriously all youve fucking got THIS close to deadline?

I posted that from class and just got back from a 10 hour expedition to a nearby college for a lecture. Trying to do more in-depth work now.

[4] thenewearth (Ghostly Penguin, Mac, BROseidon, pieguyn)

I mean...this just...doesn't look like a town-driven wagon at all.

The towniest name there is pie. :/

The towniest name in there is the conf-town.

Wait...

How the fuck does that support your point?

Also you're still scum.

If he thinks I'm town, then he knows that sometimes my reads take on a life of their own after I flip town, for good or ill.

Did you miss the part where I mentioned that I'm pretty sure I caught what your crumb was, and that the only reason I'm not conf-towning you is because I know Cabd is a gambit-ey player? Also, I know your reads can take a life of their own, but I've had less time than I'd have liked recently to convince you that I'm town.

morph, what do you make of bro just ignoring the fact that im hard defending him right now? strange, or normal?

I didn't have time to talk about it in my catchup, and I wanted you/morph to have a decent conversation without me poking around.

Did he ignore being defended in Xenogears? In Death's Diner he actually appealed to Syr/Me (Rift) when he was getting scumread by the rest of the Dethy and it spilled over into the rest of the game on day 1. He was in there making his own defense to parallel what we did on his behalf.

Death's Diner is a horrible baseline because I was trying to slip information to Syry through the rest of the game, because I knew I could get away with that shit if I could get the Dethy thread to listen to logic.

It's hard to find anything else with the treasure trove of fluff which is is ISO.

Says the guy with the interaction with a single player who's posted shit arguments all game. Wait...

@ffery, why didn't you look at a town-baseline that didn't have weird circumstantial shit to see how I respond to other people defending me?

yo this reasoning sucks

I gave a high-level statement that I didn't expound upon. Why the fuck are you calling it "reasoning?"

Nacho your trajectory on your mastin read is literally garbage.

[BROseidon]

Also I like how we let the Thez slot lurk out to replacement, and nobody bothers to pressure AA9 from the onset, despite her being impossible to read without pressure.

Good shit bros.

[BROseidon]

Looking through my games, I realized how long it's been since I've had a decent completed one.

Xenogears is the most recent. I can't think of many examples of people defending me in that game. Nick day 1 a bit and Nacho day 2, maybe?

Death's Diner is my next most recent towngame. Shitty baseline for reasons already stated.

Here is my next most recent game. Day 1 is the only one worth looking at. I don't remember anyone going after me substantially in this game.

Rach's game is the one before that. This game probably has stuff for you to work with. Also, you were in it

I'll let you look and see what you find.

[BROseidon]

I think scum-gm may have defended me day 1?

[BROseidon]

lacking, though, and I don't see what sort of things mastin did at that point to make him call himself obvtown; hence niggles. Him correcting me on his scum meta? Good at first because it's a ballsy thing to do, right? But why would he do it as town? If he's scumreading me for finding an excuse to townread him, I'd expect him to pursue that line/bring it up although I can see why he would focus on semantics.

...Six names, for 2-3 (depending on SSK) scum slots. Now, that's not to say I don't have reads on these players. I just feel like I need to explore each of them a bit.

This is a nice protown quote and all, but he doesn't actually end up exploring any of them for a very, very long time and soon loses pretty much all of his steam on the BROlynch he was so excited about earlier but doesn't explain why.

This makes it look like you should be scumreading mastin.

[BROseidon]

Or she was attacking me. It was a strange interaction.

I don't remember it that well :/

[BROseidon]

[BROseidon]

This makes it look like you should be scumreading mastin.

It does. I'm not scumreading mastin though.

Then you're not scumreading him because...

[BROseidon]

UNVOTE

wat

[BROseidon]

The timing made it look like it was in response to muffin's "fakehammer."

[BROseidon]

Where's cabd been, anyways?

[BROseidon]

I mean overall.

Do you normally drive the hydra?

[BROseidon]

should i fakehammer?

[BROseidon]

Your reset presence makes it feel fairly 1-sided.

[BROseidon]

recent*

[BROseidon]

Because it accentuates the negative. There's only one player. ONE. DAMN. PLAYER. On that wagon. That looks good. All the rest. The entirety of them. Look bad.

Except it doesn't. If you were going for that, you'd have said "pie is the only townie name on that wagon." What you did say implicates that pie is not conftown or near conftown.

Yep. This is a scum-BRO. No attempt to reach out to me, no attempt to reason with me, no attempt to point out how we work on similar wavelengths, no attempt to do what he did in Xenogears and try and work with me, despite the fact that pretty much everyone here knows that I'm town by now. He's in tunneling mode, and I'll be blunt, this screams of being scum-trapped with no visible outs.

Because when I tried working with you earlier you shut me out and scumread me.

This reeks of being bullshit, too. It's an excuse to not have them as town.

The fact that you don't get what I'm saying here is disconcerting. You're one of the few people who should've picked up on ffery's crumb.

shes made one post. how can we pressure someone whose not actually here?

I'm semi-seriously considering pushing for a PL on AA9 every game I have with her because she doesn't do jack shit for town, which also makes her impossible to read. Thez slot was already scummy, and I don't want everyone letting AA9 pull her bullshit lurking.

For me, I think I can sort AA9 given more input, and I feel very sure that Nacho can sort her, too.

What happened to you being unsure of Nacho/GiF?

[BROseidon]

That's enough for you to townread them?

Other than Ghost, there's no player I feel confident enough reading to go from unsure to town in that duration of posts, given the overall length of this game.

[BROseidon]

Hint: She won't do anything.

This is based on every game I've ever had with her.

[BROseidon]

And BRO, So which town games you referring that i didnt do anything as town? (Get me proofs)

Harry Potter and the Philosopher's Stone.

Death's Diner.

[BROseidon]

BRO, how the hell are any of (Ghostly Penguin, Mac, BROseidon, pieguyn) confirmed anything? Last I checked there's no announced IC and none of the players listed have flipped.

Do you think scum would have an executioner in a 13p game?

[BROseidon]

let's just say even i dont do any shit as town.. so your recommendation is lynch that player not because they are scum but because they didn't hardly been useful??

I should read things fully before responding:

What I'm saying is that your slot was widely scumread before it lurked its way into replacement, and you're not going to provide much content to read it off of unless you start playing completely differently than in the games that I've had with you.

I also remember that we've had Rach's u-pick Narnia together where you were so not-reading the game that you used your 1-shot cop on the claimed miller.

pedit: I'M SAYING THAT YOU BEING AN EXECUTIONER (scum day-vig, effectively) WOULD BE RIDICULOUS IN A 13P GAME HOLY SHIT.

[BROseidon]

I can't explain Thez's play.. To be honest.. He reads as scum every game he plays.. its just his reputation. Trust me on this!!!
Why should you believe me? - You will becuz i am town and when i am town.. i will sort things out.. that's how i am.

The only game I had with thez I hard-townread him before he got force-replaced (sort of, I was kind of not playing the game for all of day 1, but read the slot as town when I was catching up)

And I have no reason to believe that you're town given that you replaced into a slot that I'm scumreading and haven't taken the effort to turn around the read.

[BROseidon]

That's not an answer. Try one of those instead. Pie hasn't killed anyone so still not confirmed.

[BROseidon]

I'VE SAID THAT I'M CONFTOWNING PIE BECAUSE HE SHOT SOMEONE, AND SCUM AREN'T GOING TO HAVE THAT IN A 13P GAME.

HOLY SHIT.

HOLY.

SHIT.

[BROseidon]

I have 50 games in my record. 42 town games... are you saying that these two games are enough to define my game play? I doubt that and about Harry potter, I was lynched on day 1, you really can't really use that as reference.

Why are you trying to defend your past record instead of proving me wrong by providing content?

[BROseidon]

I'VE SAID THAT I'M CONFTOWNING PIE BECAUSE HE SHOT SOMEONE, AND SCUM AREN'T GOING TO HAVE THAT IN A 13P GAME.

HOLY SHIT.

HOLY.

SHIT.

I've articulated this point several times prior.

[BROseidon]

On the flip side, pie is conftown because I doubt scum would have an executioner in a 13p game.

Here's the first time I articulated pie being conftown.

[BROseidon]

Considering that you wanted to policy lynch me, this post is most expected. You would want to lynch me anyway to save your ass.. huh!!

Why would I push you now to save my ass when TNE already has a wagon (that I've been on for quite a while).

Seems like a waste.

[BROseidon]

If you're going to replace into a 60-page game, you should have the ability to catch up enough within the first deadline to make an informed decision, instead of posting no content and being all, "OH EM GEE, I HAVEN'T HAD ENOUGH TIME TO CATCH UP"

[BROseidon]

AA9, why are you acting under the assumption that town don't try to avoid getting mislynched? "If you're scum, all you try to do is to divert the attention from you to someone which is exactly what you were doing" implies that town don't try to avoid getting mislynched.

I like how wayne disappears after I point out that I'd already answered his question multiple times in my ISO.''

[BROseidon]

please shut the fuck up about this stuff btw i'm not interested in hearing about how bad a player AA9 is.

read the game already and stop posting useless shit

Why would scum do that instead of lazily pushing my mislynch through?

[BROseidon]

I'm semi-seriously considering pushing for a PL on AA9 every game I have with her because she doesn't do jack shit for town, which also makes her impossible to read. Thez slot was already scummy, and I don't want everyone letting AA9 pull her bullshit lurking.

ftr this is all I ever said about a PL.

I wouldn't call this pushing a PL.

[BROseidon]

10 points to AA9 for misrepping.

[BROseidon]

If i am scum, I would have built few points from the exiting cases and jumped into your wagon by now but i didn't

[BROseidon]

What do you think of the fact that you asked me a question that I'd answered clearly several times prior to you asking it?

[BROseidon]

Basic mod meta: Bork wouldn't include a scum dayvig in a 13p setup because holy fuck that shit's broken.

[BROseidon]

Basic mod meta: Bork wouldn't include a scum dayvig in a 13p setup because holy fuck that shit's broken.

[BROseidon]

And yet, you still haven't admonished me for not reading you right. And you've had days

I'm admonishing you for not

reading

[BROseidon]

should i fakehammer?

You thought he was serious...?

No.

It's still a dumb thing to post.

[BROseidon]

Yes, but you like to admonish me for not reading you right when you're town. This is different.

[BROseidon]

Narrative manipulation is a classic scum tactic, ftr.

[BROseidon]

[BROseidon]

You didn't answer my question.

[BROseidon]

That's enough for you to townread them?

Other than Ghost, there's no player I feel confident enough reading to go from unsure to town in that duration of posts, given the overall length of this game.

Don't you and Ghost play together offsite?

That's me and penguin.

I'm better at reading Ghost.

[BROseidon]

What do you think of the fact that you asked me a question that I'd answered clearly several times prior to you asking it?

I think it's a good question. There's no reason to give anyone conf status. The only thing confirmed there is Pie killed someone.

So we disagree on a point, and us stating our position back and forth at each other is going to do nothing to change it.

[BROseidon]

Town.

[BROseidon]

Glossing right over that...

We have a confirmed daykill. That's not going to come from scum in a 13p setup because mod-meta.

You're going to say, "BUT OTHER HYPOTHETICALS WHERE SCUM COULD HAVE A DAYKILL."

And we can either go back and forth for 20 minutes on this, or you can realize that I'm not going to change my opinion on this and back off.

[BROseidon]

It's also very not going to come from scum when town have a negative-utility PR.

[BROseidon]

Fuck this shit I'm claiming:

I'm a 1-shot flavor cop you bitches.

[BROseidon]

The shitty thing about this is BRO is pretty fucking clever and unless he's been asleep the last fucking Day, he could figure out that that'd be a pretty safe role claim.

Why would I fakeclaim flavor-cop over a more powerful or more common role?

no
I mean responding to how you claimed watcher, but then didn't correct me when I said you're cop.

is no one seeing how wayne blatantly lied

lollllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllll

spank my ass until it's blue, call me Sally, and tie me up for kinky fun times'

/in?

Hawt.

he claimed a fucking flavour cop in a game where flavour claiming is not a good idea. how is that a town role?

>>>Important: There are eyes and ears everywhere. Flavor Claim at your own risk in this game.<<<

Where does it say that it's objectively bad? All I see is that there's a risk to flavor claiming (ie, that it

can

hurt, but won't necessarily)

wayne, BRO, TNE scumteam of the year 2013?

Would there be an anti-scummy to nom this for if this were the case?

TNE get the fuck in here and post something

Why would he do that when he can lurk the pressure away?

Muffin: No, you don't get to steal my schtick. Fuck off.

i don't actually see what's so wrong with his recent posts that warrants a last-minute policy lynch

explain it to me like you think i'm dumb (if you don't already)

no
I mean responding to how you claimed watcher, but then didn't correct me when I said you're cop.

is no one seeing how wayne blatantly lied

Reading's hard, let's deathtunnel on a shit case because I'm incapable of forming reads or being a dynamic player.

[BROseidon]

No idea why I thought I was caught up at that point... moving along...

[BROseidon]

TNE just went offline without a post

you broke my heart TNE </3

I was doing important shit yesterday for 30 minutes.

Let's do wayne tomorrow

Vote BRO today

"Let me flagrantly ignore the fact that my scumreads should work in some vaguely-constructed narrative as a mechanism to get pressure off me."

Ain't gonna work.

[BROseidon]

VOTE: Wayne

[BROseidon]

(TNE this doesn't mean you're off the hook)

[BROseidon]

You apparently don't know what the word "risk" means.

[BROseidon]

VOTE: AA9

Nice jeweled branch you got there, scum.

[BROseidon]

VOTE: AA9

Nice jeweled branch you got there, scum.

What?

Check the first Touhou character you get when you google "jeweled branch Touhou."

AA9's scum.

[BROseidon]

I can assume why i wasn't the nightkill choice..
and what exactly you find cheeky in me?

Being all fuck you I'm not catching up after day 1 ended.

That's not cheeky, it's scummy.

[BROseidon]

You explained this too soon.

I used a 1-shot investigative role and hit with it.

What was I supposed to do, sit on it?

[BROseidon]

Or are you saying that I specified my result too quickly.

[BROseidon]

What? you saying you investigated my role information???? where did this come from?

I'm a 1-shot flavor cop.

I use my 1-shot on you because I'm not going to be able to read you w/o it.

It's not hard to understand.

We can lynch you then get your buddy mastin tomorrow. It'll be glorious.

[BROseidon]

im just gonna go right on and ignore arcangel for the rest of this game.

it pains me to say this but i've done a 180 on two of my townreads. bro is one of them. the other im not willing to say yet. but bro claiming a guilty result pretty much and then doing nothing with it is extremely worrying.

I'm voting for+pushing my scumread. It's not my fault that everyone's ignoring it.

[BROseidon]

COUNTER CLAIM TO REST OF THE TOWN : I am not the person BRO said I am. He is the confirmed SCUM.

This is not what caught scum would say after getting guilty'd.

Wait...

[BROseidon]

@pieguyn

http://en.touhouwiki.net/wiki/Udonge_Tree

"The Jeweled Branch of Hourai is the branch of an udonge which has been brought to Earth;

the Lunarians use these to sow conflict on Earth, since its beauty will grow in accordance to the impurity of its holder

who will then take it as a sign of their authority."

There are probably better pages with more details about why this sounds like scum flavor. This was one of the first results in google search.

I just looked for the first character when I googled it, but this is a much better explanation.

[BROseidon]

Bro is confirmed scum.
Mac could be his trash mate... but right now we dont have to worry about him. Now vote bro and be part of of this legendary quick scum lynch.

Keep squirming, scum.

[BROseidon]

@morph
And I say i am not the udonge.....

We expect scum to claim their flavor honestly.

Wait...

You can say "OMG THAT'S NOT MY FLAVOR" as much as you want, that doesn't mean you're not lying through your teeth.

[BROseidon]

Unless someone can confirm my action, the only way to confirm me is to get a flip on either me or AA9.

PEDIT: HOLY FUCK YOU GUYS STILL DON'T KNOW WHAT THE WORD "RISK" MEANS, AND THAT ALSO HAS NO BEARING ON WHETHER A FLAVOR COP WOULD BE IN THE GAME.

[BROseidon]

Also, pie, I'm a 1-shot on a meh role, and Wayne was night two onwards.

Also, you got an anti-town role, and ffery/cabd area also an anti-town role.

pedit: Why won't you let me troll you now that you're confscum

[BROseidon]

Fuck this shit I'm claiming:

I'm a 1-shot flavor cop you bitches.

Day 1, after you joined the game.

So no, "OH EM GEE, I DIDN'T READ DAY 1" as an excuse.

[BROseidon]

I'm pointing out that your 2015 is predicated on me not having claimed yet.

Which is false.

Do you want to try to manipulate narrative further?

[BROseidon]

It's not a counter claim if you're just saying "he's faking a result."

Like, what should I expect scum to do, say "Oh yes, he caught me. Now I'll just lie down and get lynched."

pedit: I CLAIMED AFTER YOU JOINED THE GAME. ARE YOU JUST NOT READING MY POSTS?????

[BROseidon]

LIKE HOLY SHIT, WTF IS THIS SHIT.

[BROseidon]

AA9 IT'S ON:

[BROseidon]

Why, of all people, AA? Why not someone like me? Or zMuff? Or Psychlone? Or Mac? Or, hell, even TNE? Why AA9?

There's zero town motivation for her to be your first target, but plenty of scum motivation present.

I had 1 shot. I'm using it on the person I'm most confident I'm not going to be able to read otherwise.