Mini 1515: Touhou Imperishable Night (Game Over)

[morph the cat]

hi guys.

[morph the cat]

6. Morph the Cat (fferyllt + Cabd)
^Okay, honestly, probably scum, but dammit, I'm calling them town because I want them to be town.

I'm town as fuck. You should probably keep an eye on Cabd.

[morph the cat]

hi guys.

Dammit, ffery. (That's you, right?) It's going to be hard keeping you out of my scum list if you keep posting like

this

.

You can put me in your scum list if you want. Won't change my alignment.

[morph the cat]

Scum found. And I have a case!

hi guys.

Look at this post.
Just look at it!

The abomination! The damnation! The blasphemy!
This post, ladies and maidens, is a scumpost that reeks the foul odor of scuminess!

hi

Oh, look at this foul aberrant buddying!
And it's only page 1!
With this post only, I can clearly see fery, behind the monitor, literally trembling with fear, hoping this subtle buddying attempt would grant her a "obvtown" status!
Not a chance, lady!

guy

Among these seemingly friendly post lurks the totally scum-motivated damneous post!

If you translate "guy" to Arabic via the sacred Google Translate, you can see that "تنكر" is one of the result.
And guess what that mean?
"deny, disguise, masquerade, disavow, renounce"

Do not fall for this posts, my maids and maidens, for she is secretly mocking us and backstabbing us, just like that!
With this, we can already lucidly imagine her evil mind and dexterous and sly those damned typing fingers!

For we can not stand for this total wretchedness, we must purge this thread with fire!

(Besides, it's morph the cat.)

VOTE: morph

You forgot the tell tale punctuation.

[morph the cat]

Please don't ruin this moment for me.
I worked hard on it and was waiting for quite a while to use it

I'm honored!

[morph the cat]

10/10 to mastin and Nacho. Would read again.

BRO! What's wrong with you? That was GiF.

[morph the cat]

You can put me in your scum list if you want. Won't change my alignment.

Nice angle.

VOTE: Morph

I approve of the vote, but I don't get what you mean by "angle."

GiF gets all the love for that case, just so you know.

[morph the cat]

That's a great idea, wayne, and imma let you finish, but this morphgame had the best scum claim of all time:

hi guys.

Let's all hold hands and pray for the random.org gods to give ffery scum!

You didn't have to go so far as to sacrifice a kitten to them.

Post something useful guys. page 1 is nearly used up and I have not one read.

[morph the cat]

That's a great idea, wayne, and imma let you finish, but this morphgame had the best scum claim of all time:

hi guys.

Let's all hold hands and pray for the random.org gods to give ffery scum!

You didn't have to go so far as to sacrifice a kitten to them.

Post something useful guys. page 1 is nearly used up and I have not one read.

You forgot this.

Both are ffery posts.

[morph the cat]

Man bro, you're super gullible. My shitty reaction test worked on you in gears, too.

[morph the cat]

@morph: do you think that's a town-tell?

If it is it's a super light one.


Don't worry bro, i'll chop your balls off this game too.

[morph the cat]

@morph: do you think that's a town-tell?

If it is it's a super light one.


Don't worry bro, i'll chop your balls off this game too.

^^ Why signing posts is unnecessary.

[morph the cat]

@morph: do you think that's a town-tell?

If it is it's a super light one.


Don't worry bro, i'll chop your balls off this game too.

^^ Why signing posts is unnecessary.

both of those posts were ffery, naturally.

[morph the cat]

OKAY EVERYONE LISTEN UP, READ THIS POST BEFORE YOU POST.

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Claim: PGO

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

THIS IS NOT A JOKE, THIS IS NOT A TEST, I'M A PGO SO IF YOU'RE SCUM PLEASE TARGET ME KTHX

What an odd set of circumstances. It just so happens that:


I claim miller-tracker

[morph the cat]

Before your time, kiddo. Before your time.

[morph the cat]

It's a reference to the Xenoblade large game.

Killjoy.

[morph the cat]

You can put me in your scum list if you want. Won't change my alignment.

Nice angle.

VOTE: Morph

I approve of the vote, but I don't get what you mean by "angle."

The flippant scum claim during RVS. Putting them in scum won't change their alignment, ergo scum.

Can't tell if you though morph's early posts were srs or not

P-EDIT: YOU'RE WELCOME! YOU'RE THE ONE WHO MADE THE PASSWORD!

It's wayne. He won't know if he was serious either until later, probably.

[morph the cat]

t's a high holy day for Ghostlin. V/LA till November 2nd for this head, to be safe. Blessed Samhain!

Same!

[morph the cat]

Isn't it clear? He's clearly trying to mount a mislynch so early in the game against an obviously

pro-town

player.

That's an interesting turn of phrase.

[morph the cat]

I'm reserving judgment on BRO right now; he totally duped me in NY 165.

And what am I, chopped liver? I see how it is.

[morph the cat]

what the hell kind of crossposting is this I don't even

@BROs, morph: so how do you like the chance that GIF/Nacho used his special moment in a scum game?

I missed this question earlier. I'm sure GiF used that beautifully crafted case at his earliest opportunity and rolling scum would not delay it.

However, I'm kinda townreading GiF for other reasons.

[morph the cat]

also an open question for morph

look up. post 110.

If that's not the question, you'll have to point it out to me.

[morph the cat]

If that's not the question, you'll have to point it out to me.

I was referring to how he apparently "waited" to use that masterful case, which goes against your hypothesis that he would have used it immediately

The earliest opportunity would be a game that we're both playing from the start and not as our SoS hydra. "hi guys" with or without punctuation and capitalization has been part (usually all) of my first post in nearly every game I've played at MS. In fact, there are only 2 games where I didn't open with that phrase. The case is awesome and I will treasure it.

But, it's been a few months since we've started a game together where we weren't hydraing, so he probably has been waiting to use it AND this was his earliest opportunity.

unless it wasn't supposed to be serious

Is this a serious concern?

[morph the cat]

@morph: I see

what's your opinion on Varsoon atm?

Cabd thinks he seems more pleasant (not quite how he described it) in this game than in xenogears. He was scum in xenogears. I'm comparing him to his play in Death's Diner, as well, and would also characterize his play as more pleasant and less abrasive. He was town in that game. I'll want more data. Bro's observation about his vote position is pretty interesting, though.

Is this a serious concern?

sry for confusion that was referring to GIF's post. I couldn't tell if pretty much anything people were saying in RVS was serious or not, and I didn't get the whole joke about the "hi guys".

"hi guys" has been a running joke for a while.

VOTE: VarsoonVOTE: that jump was crazy awkward, and it's roughly where you jumped on the low-hanging fruit wagon last time as scum (5th on TD, 4th here)

if this is true I'd go so far as to say we've caught scum #1

Maybe so. GiF is very good at sorting Varsoon. I want to hear his thoughts.

[morph the cat]

i don't have the energy to headdesk. i'm going to lie down for a bit.

before i do, though, i'm going to say that i flat-out disagree with morph's assessment of varsoon being more "abrasive" as scum. it depends what they mean by abrasive, but i think he's rather passive-polite in the way he talks to people as scum. *shrug*

I didn't say he was more abrasive as scum. I indicated he was more abrasive as either alignment than what we were seeing in this game so far. In fact he was quite abrasive in Diner while he was in that game. IIRC I forced myself to take a 24 hour time-out during day 1 of that game to break out of a really negative, useless distractiing interaction with him.

I see it was a transient state.

[morph the cat]

What is "abrasive" ?

Like human sandpaper.

[morph the cat]

Town

5. mastin2 - interactions and early town reads
7. pieguyn - trying to figure stuff out
8. Psychlone - GiF is town. Dunno about nacho yet.
13. zMuffinMan - I think the right things are catching his attention/bothering him.

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11. Varsoon - reaction to pieguyn seemed over the top, but...varsoon. will go with GiF's opinion probably.
9. thenewearth - either misunderstood stuff or is really off with his vote
12. waynegg - liked his early push on me, but RQS was meh.

Scum

1. BROseidon - Varsoon vote reasons were bad and he should feel bad.
10. thezmon221 - Mastin vote and "mislynch on pro-town player" both pinged.

Post/Post moar

2. Ghostly Penguin
3. Mac
4. MafiaSSK

[morph the cat]

Town

13. zMuffinMan - I think the right things are catching his attention/bothering him.

As opposed to straight-up buddying Varsoon?

I thought he disagreed with Varsoon's case on pieguyn?

[morph the cat]

notice the buddy you picked up along the way

Implies that it is a mutual partnership, rather than one-sided, otherwise wording would be more along the lines of "notice the buddy attempt on you along the way."

doesn't imply any such thing IMO.

[morph the cat]

pedit isolate the muffin on Pie with Varsoon. Varsoon probably caught town with how they've been going on with each other and there's Muffin just eating it up.

Ok, so what I'm seeing, now that I've had something resembling my quota of coffee is that zmuffin went after pieguyn's arguments with pieguyn rather than directly interacting much with varsoon during their altercation.

So, you're thinking wk? I can see reasons for a town player to try to decrease the heat/increase the light.

How would you characterize the similarities/differences in the zmuffin/pieguyn interactions compared to your interactions with varsoon?

[morph the cat]

which stuff are you referring to when you say pieguy was trying to figure stuff out? because most of the stuff i remember him trying to figure out wasn't alignment-indicative (is this a serious post? is that a serious post?) and i wouldn't exactly call his exchange with varsoon trying to figure varsoon out

I was thinking about the whole "hi guys" thing, which I think has taken up way more real estate in the game than it deserves. tbh, I never expected my usual starting post to become as iconic as it has. It used to be that the noteworthy thing about my entrance into a game was not RVS-voting. This game is almost clique-ish due to the number of people who play often together on the player list. Someone relatively new trying to sort through all the rvs-phase posturing and homages to prior games (including your first post) does look pretty town to me.

Something similar happened in a recent newbie game. Kaze replaced in to a scum slot in that game, and spent the majority of his day 1 posts complaining about all the prior games discussion and obscure references. I was the other scum player, and I spent a good chunk of my day 1 adding layers of meta references and obscure in-jokes. pieguyn's efforts to get the not-obviously-off-topic stuff figured out strikes me as a much more town-like reaction.

as for BRO, one reason i have him as town is that i didn't mind the reasons for his vote. the attack felt more townish than scummy, really. dunno why you have him as scum for that.

I figured that once Cabd and I synched, we might put our vote on thezmon, because the post I quoted with some bolding would have drawn my vote if I were playing solo. BRO's voting someone who's on a wagon that meets with my strong approval caught my attention. Town-BRO and I tend to think somewhat alike in the early game. This was especially apparent to me in the Diner game. I'm going to exercise more caution this game, though, because my day 1 scumread of him in Xenogears was still being discussed very late into that game. :/

[morph the cat]

pieguyn's efforts to get the not-obviously-off-topic stuff figured out strikes me as a much more town-like reaction.

ok. i disagree that it was not-obviously-off-topic, which is part of the reason i don't like how much apparent confusion there is from him about it. PA's reaction to it is more in line with how i imagined a town player reacting to it

A game I played (and didn't do so well at) a few months ago had a player list of people who had played a lot of games together, most of whom I had never played with before. There were undercurrents in that game that were really difficult for me to figure out, and to tell what was offhand joke, what was light sparring over past games, and what was relevant to the current game. I would probably have had a more successful game if I had questioned some of that stuff rather than making assumptions about what was relevant and what wasn't.

I think having even a little context helps in sorting this kind of stuff.

[morph the cat]

A couple comments by BRO have pinged my radar, so he's a lesser townread than he should be, but I'm liking his overall play right now enough to have him as a townread.

Talk to me about this.

[morph the cat]

So true, lol!

Post 212 makes Cabd very sad. Do you have thoughts about it?

[morph the cat]

I have muffin scum, BRO maybe scum (he's to envolved early, when he generally lurks the hell out of D1 as town). I have Varsoon and Pie as town. I think you're town unless thezmon flips scum. Morph I'm on the fence about. They come off town, but ffery does have that propensity to awkwardly scumclaim for her own lulz which is keeping me from saying they're town. Everyone else is in a holding pattern while I wait for more posting.

No. I scumclaimed because it helped me earn a day kill. I would never have made that post otherwise.

As indicated in the other post I linked to (I was town in that game), I'm pretty scrupulous about not explicitly saying "I'm town" when I'm town. I feel like having to call myself town means I'm doing something wrong. I let my in-thread actions speak for themselves.

[morph the cat]

Fery ur not even commenting on my iffy feeling on your post? :<

Which post do you feel iffy about? I know you feel iffy, but I don't know why.

[morph the cat]

Post 212 makes Cabd very sad.

why?

Because it makes him think you might be scum. I don't know why that post pinged for him yet, though I have a sort of free-floating not-so-happy feel about you atm, too.

[morph the cat]

Fery ur not even commenting on my iffy feeling on your post? :<

You know, I thought it was posts, not a specific post. And I thought that you didn't like that I was letting the game float along, and enjoying the early before-things-get-serious period of the game, when I usually push to make things serious faster.

[morph the cat]

*shrug*

how much of that stems from paranoia and how much of that stems from actually thinking i'm scum?

Wasn't that long ago that I posted a reads list that had you in my townpile IIRC. The main reason I put you there was because of your observation about my play. It's not exactly a secret, though, that I tend to townread people who are suspicious of me when I like their reasoning.

would it help if i told you i'm town?

What usually helps is seeing town motivation in in-thread behaviors. And that's a body of work.

[morph the cat]

The fuck have I stepped up in? I've been a non presence.

Spoiler: All cabd posts so far

That's a great idea, wayne, and imma let you finish, but this morphgame had the best scum claim of all time:

hi guys.

Let's all hold hands and pray for the random.org gods to give ffery scum!

You didn't have to go so far as to sacrifice a kitten to them.

Post something useful guys. page 1 is nearly used up and I have not one read.

Man bro, you're super gullible. My shitty reaction test worked on you in gears, too.

@morph: do you think that's a town-tell?

If it is it's a super light one.


Don't worry bro, i'll chop your balls off this game too.

@morph: do you think that's a town-tell?

If it is it's a super light one.


Don't worry bro, i'll chop your balls off this game too.

^^ Why signing posts is unnecessary.

both of those posts were ffery, naturally.

OKAY EVERYONE LISTEN UP, READ THIS POST BEFORE YOU POST.

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Claim: PGO

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

THIS IS NOT A JOKE, THIS IS NOT A TEST, I'M A PGO SO IF YOU'RE SCUM PLEASE TARGET ME KTHX

What an odd set of circumstances. It just so happens that:


I claim miller-tracker

Before your time, kiddo. Before your time.

It's a reference to the Xenoblade large game.

Killjoy.

You can put me in your scum list if you want. Won't change my alignment.

Nice angle.

VOTE: Morph

I approve of the vote, but I don't get what you mean by "angle."

The flippant scum claim during RVS. Putting them in scum won't change their alignment, ergo scum.

Can't tell if you though morph's early posts were srs or not

P-EDIT: YOU'RE WELCOME! YOU'RE THE ONE WHO MADE THE PASSWORD!

It's wayne. He won't know if he was serious either until later, probably.

I'm reserving judgment on BRO right now; he totally duped me in NY 165.

And what am I, chopped liver? I see how it is.

[morph the cat]

Fery ur not even commenting on my iffy feeling on your post? :<

You know, I thought it was posts, not a specific post. And I thought that you didn't like that I was letting the game float along, and enjoying the early before-things-get-serious period of the game, when I usually push to make things serious faster.

I thought about it when zmuffin mentioned it, but cabd took over during the period where you should be stepping up, and I never

cared

thought about how he usually do his opening, so meh.

What I had problem with was something different.

If you want me to address it you're probably going to have to tell me what it is.

[morph the cat]

Its prob waaaay off timing but whatever.
Should've done it yesterday, but I was having too much fun with my modem and stuffs so

hi guys.

Dammit, ffery. (That's you, right?) It's going to be hard keeping you out of my scum list if you keep posting like

this

.

You can put me in your scum list if you want. Won't change my alignment.

This looked like you were frozen in ice, which is stuff that I don't usually feel from you.

Prob would've voted you for it but I missed it the first time.
So I've been hinting that I wasn't townreading you and you didn't respond at all.

Were you purposely ignoring it or did you not pick up on my hint?

P-Edit: that's what I said. Cabd was posting at the timing where you would've step up.

We haven't quite been synchronous in-thread since you started hinting so I've been kinda waiting for synchronicity to happen.

That's at least two players who didn't like my comment, so it will probably wind up on my "don't say stuff like this at MS" list.

But, it's exactly sort of "true no matter what my alignment" comment that I tend to make when I'm not worried about how it's going to be taken. Nacho can probably figure out what the timing and game state mean given when I posted that, and the sort of stick-with-truth statement that I'm likely to make when I feel cornered and don't want to lie.

[morph the cat]

Ffery made that one as a response/xpost to the one I had linked.

[morph the cat]

Either way you're thinking of achievement unlocked. As ffery noted, we claimed scum and a whole bunch of other shit (including quickhammering on day one for the lulz) because of the game's mechanic giving us a daykill on day three for doing so.

[morph the cat]

It's in the same realm as the post where I ask varsoon his address so I can send him a pizza.

[morph the cat]

Ok, but now I don't find that post, that had links to two ffery games where she told on herself, in this thread any more. What happened to it?

That's the only post I made. Cabd linked to Achievement Unlocked where I intentionally scum-claimed in order to earn a daykill (a game winning daykill I might add!). I linked to the post where I talked about my philosophy regarding stating or strongly implying "I'm town".

[morph the cat]

Lay off the bath salts.

Morph has 4 completed games, if you want links.

1 SK, 3 groupscum

[morph the cat]

I dunno, Wayne. No post I made has gone missing. I don't know what you are remembering, but it's not a post I made.

[morph the cat]

I'm not eating anybody's face cabd. It just bothers me the post was deleted because it ain't here no mo. I've gone page-by-page looking for it to make sure.

Well, morph certainly can't delete things. So either:

A: You're full of shit regarding this
or
B: Borkie is cheating

I kinda tend to side on option A, personally.

[morph the cat]

Then you're calling me or bork a cheater. Get real.

[morph the cat]

which stuff are you referring to when you say pieguy was trying to figure stuff out? because most of the stuff i remember him trying to figure out wasn't alignment-indicative (is this a serious post? is that a serious post?) and i wouldn't exactly call his exchange with varsoon trying to figure varsoon out

I was thinking about the whole "hi guys" thing, which I think has taken up way more real estate in the game than it deserves. tbh, I never expected my usual starting post to become as iconic as it has. It used to be that the noteworthy thing about my entrance into a game was not RVS-voting. This game is almost clique-ish due to the number of people who play often together on the player list. Someone relatively new trying to sort through all the rvs-phase posturing and homages to prior games (including your first post) does look pretty town to me.

Something similar happened in a recent newbie game. Kaze replaced in to a scum slot in that game, and spent the majority of his day 1 posts complaining about all the prior games discussion and obscure references. I was the other scum player, and I spent a good chunk of my day 1 adding layers of meta references and obscure in-jokes. pieguyn's efforts to get the not-obviously-off-topic stuff figured out strikes me as a much more town-like reaction.

as for BRO, one reason i have him as town is that i didn't mind the reasons for his vote. the attack felt more townish than scummy, really. dunno why you have him as scum for that.

I figured that once Cabd and I synched, we might put our vote on thezmon, because the post I quoted with some bolding would have drawn my vote if I were playing solo. BRO's voting someone who's on a wagon that meets with my strong approval caught my attention. Town-BRO and I tend to think somewhat alike in the early game. This was especially apparent to me in the Diner game. I'm going to exercise more caution this game, though, because my day 1 scumread of him in Xenogears was still being discussed very late into that game. :/

[morph the cat]

That's the only post linking another game, and it's nowhere near post 42

[morph the cat]

One was a game from September. I don't remember the other. They weren't necessarily Morph games, just games ffery was in.

pedit no, I'm not. I'm just saying a post that

was

here! no longer is.

Have you been meta-ing me? Because what you're saying does kinda fit a newbie game I played, but the post I'm thinking about was made in October IIRC. It wasn't really a scum-claim, more of a multi-layered meaning, and true (obscurely true) in all layers. It was a post I was goiing to point back to at the end of the game.

[morph the cat]

Who was in it? Because the only flawless victories of ffery's that come to mind are ones as morph.

[morph the cat]

Who was in it? Because the only flawless victories of ffery's that come to mind are ones as morph.

Yeah, my two just finished scum games weren't perfect scum wins.

[morph the cat]

All I remember is the link, the start date (sept 13 I think) and all the green flips.

Probably Sept 18 and the game hasn't been linked in this one. Wisdom was the Day 3 lynch, so there was red in the flips list.

This is the post I'm thinking of though.

[morph the cat]

That's the game we've been fucking talking about, where I INTENTIONALLY SCUMCLAIMED

IN ORDER TO EARN A DAYKILL

.

[morph the cat]

Either way you're thinking of achievement unlocked. As ffery noted, we claimed scum and a whole bunch of other shit (including quickhammering on day one for the lulz) because of the game's mechanic giving us a daykill on day three for doing so.

[morph the cat]

That's the game we've been fucking talking about, where I INTENTIONALLY SCUMCLAIMED

IN ORDER TO EARN A DAYKILL

.

Never mind. Found it. Ima dork.

So what's your conclusion?

[morph the cat]

Did you unlock an achievement here? No? Muffin.

No, my behaviors at the start of this game weren't shaped by unusual mechanics.

However, my scum game is changing with practice, and the extent to which I tend toward truthful statements as scum will no doubt change as well.

[morph the cat]

Ok, so igmeou. Better? Now, muffin...?

I thought Cabd and I would have a chance to synch our thoughts about the game earlier, but it's not happening until tonight. One of us will post after that.

[morph the cat]

BRO's voting someone who's on a wagon that meets with my strong approval caught my attention. Town-BRO and I tend to think somewhat alike in the early game. This was especially apparent to me in the Diner game. I'm going to exercise more caution this game, though, because my day 1 scumread of him in Xenogears was still being discussed very late into that game. :/

I'm concerned about why you found thez scummy :/

Then I don't think you really understand why thez' comment pinged for me.

[morph the cat]

Explain, then?

I took it as cheeky, and I find early cheekiness towny.

It was the turn of phrase, which looked a little overworked, like thez spent some time thinking about how to say it. GiF calls this "forced".

[morph the cat]

Look at all those slippery adjectives.

[morph the cat]

I'm hearing some conf bias about a ridiculous read on thezmon221.

What? It's ffery?

I thought you knew better.

Why would you think that?

[morph the cat]

[quote="In post 310, thezmon221"][/quote]

Right.

It's interesting though, that your initial reaction is sort of wtf aren't you reading me properly.

Taking that under advisement.

[morph the cat]

ok well that's an interesting quote tag fail.

[morph the cat]

What do you mean? I'm not following you...

This was directed at morph. The fact that ffery/GiF found it forced is strange, because I found it cheeky (in a natural way), and ffery and I are usually on the same page.

Bro... giffy isn't in moprh. I'm (cabd is) gonna go cry in a corner over there now.

[morph the cat]

Otoh, pretty sure this means that {bro, nacho-giffy, ???} isn't a viable scumteam so only one of the two names can be scum. That derp came off pretty non-staged.

[morph the cat]

Hey wayne, you're not doing something I associate with town you. Do you know what it is? And if you do, why aren't you doing it this game?

[morph the cat]

It's more I'm feeling sad that everyone is misunderstanding my light-hearted post and running away with it as a legitimate reason that I'm scum. Which is retarded.

She ran off to a phone call for a while, but our talk earlier this morning had her liking the response to our line of inquiry.

[morph the cat]

Yes from you. She's back, brb synching.

[morph the cat]

Huh that's weird.

Ffery, what caused that? I personally don't see anything in my post that would change your stance, personally.

He's talking about my post 311. And it was mostly related to your reaction being more "wait I thought you could read me" than arguing about what precisely was wrong about my read.

[morph the cat]

Both heads of Morph are US PST/GMt-7 (soon to be -8)

[morph the cat]

What do you mean? I'm not following you...

This was directed at morph. The fact that ffery/GiF found it forced is strange, because I found it cheeky (in a natural way),

and ffery and I are usually on the same page

.

Dunno if "usually" is true. I all but tunneled you on day 1 of xenogears, and was getting pretty squinty-eyed about you on day 1 of Rach's Narnia uPick.

[morph the cat]

Town

5. mastin2 - interactions and early town reads, read going stale somewhat for Cabd (and ffery)
7. pieguyn - trying to figure stuff out
8. Psychlone - GiF is town. Dunno about nacho yet. If broscum, town, at least.
11. Varsoon - reaction to pieguyn seemed over the top, but...varsoon. will go with GiF's opinion probably. Cabd sees what giffy is talking about and is okay with a day one townread. ffery agrees.

Null

13. zMuffinMan - Cabd's gut is putting up weird flags.
9. thenewearth - Probably going to be cabd's meta project this weekend.
10. thezmon221 - Liked his response to our vote/ffery's line of inquiry. Back up to null.
2. Ghostly Penguin- I (cabd) agree that ghostlin's rage seems somewhat forced but I don't pretend to be able to read ghostlin very well after the deathtunnel I gave his town-PR-slot in Paradox. ffery agrees, will be checking out some recent town-Ghostlin thread entrances.
1. BROseidon - Varsoon vote reasons were bad and he should feel bad. Cabd is less worried, and has him null. ffery's moving him to null as well, has reservations.

Scum

12. waynegg - Cabd notices a huge aspect of his towngame missing here. ffery has niggles as well.
4. MafiaSSK- this matches an interesting meta-tell blackmailed from natirasha about ssk/does not match paradox-town-ssk

Post/Post moar

3. Mac-Mac's one post was really lame and not anything readable, really. ffery likes this one post more than cabd does.

Updated and sync achieved.

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UNVOTE:

VOTE: SSK

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Care to disclose this meta?

http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Cabd

Yes, I keep a meta binder. Yes, you're probably in it. I will sometimes out tells that are no longer effective, but that's it.

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Is it about him voting for himself in RVS?

I will say that this is incorrect though.

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cabd's gut sucks then

There's a reason ffery wears the pants in this

cat

hydrae when we're town. Her reads are usually better than mine. We'll see about you, though, she has her own reasons for putting you there.

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Looked at SSK, no idea what you got from those 2 posts.

Guess you'll have to wait and see what I pull from my bag of tricks, now won't you.

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Looked at SSK, no idea what you got from those 2 posts.

Guess you'll have to wait and see what I pull from my bag of tricks, now won't you.

If it's as compelling as the case you've brought so far, I'm sure I'll be convinced

You'll see.

Would also wagon wayne, this isn't his usual play, but I don't feel like spending 60 page on him raging at me quite yet, and I want to see if he gets why I suspect him.

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Dunno if "usually" is true. I all but tunneled you on day 1 of xenogears, and was getting pretty squinty-eyed about you on day 1 of Rach's Narnia uPick.

I forgot about Rach's upick :/

I guess we've only moved in lockstep in Death's Diner. And those times I was scum.

I was lazy and trusted orcinus' read in 165, instead of reevaluating after that monstrosity of a day 5.

and I've been trying to get more interactions with ffery to gauge whether she's scum.

82 posts and counting. I'm not that difficult to interact with.

[morph the cat]

she has her own reasons for putting you there

what reasons?

Mostly meta right now for me.

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Dunno if "usually" is true. I all but tunneled you on day 1 of xenogears, and was getting pretty squinty-eyed about you on day 1 of Rach's Narnia uPick.

I forgot about Rach's upick :/

I guess we've only moved in lockstep in Death's Diner. And those times I was scum.

I was lazy and trusted orcinus' read in 165, instead of reevaluating after that monstrosity of a day 5.

and I've been trying to get more interactions with ffery to gauge whether she's scum.

82 posts and counting. I'm not that difficult to interact with.

1) lol day 5

2) Something feels off, and I'm not sure if I'm being paranoid or if it's justified.

I can answer that, but the answer you find for yourself is the one that matters.

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I figured out TF (can't remember if they sign).

I started signing but then syr ditched me. Either way it's pretty damn obvious when it's me vs one of my partners. Prohawk is probably the only player that can sound like me at times naturally.

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Pie, you around? I want a conversation the two of us about something I think you might have found.

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Hey wayne, you're not doing something I associate with town you. Do you know what it is? And if you do, why aren't you doing it this game?

What? Making every other post mine and calling everybody scum?

Strike one. Try again, hitter.

[morph the cat]

So what did you think about empking's rings mechanic, pie? Do you think town could have won?

[morph the cat]

And what did you think about vox's mechanics?

[morph the cat]

Okay, how about the mechanic in achievement unlocked? What were your thoughts about that?

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So why is it you're utterly familiar with waynegg's scumplay when his only completed scumgame to date is LOTR mafia? You weren't in LOTR, and yet quickly were able to answer my questions about the mechanic. You can't be recalling Wayne's scumplay from anything but LOTR or the scum quicktopic where he told you his style of bussing. I thought you might have pre-meta'd all the players here, but morph was in achievement, and both ffery and I were in vox's paradox prime.

[morph the cat]

Or, alternatively, it was muffin who told you that about Wayne's scumplay, since he was in that game too.

[morph the cat]

Hear that kids? That's the sound of scum that slipped.

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VOTE: pie

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wow are you serious right now

I had a townread on you but the last time someone claimed "scumslip" on a townie they ended up being scum so now I'm not even sure

Dat OMGUS

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I've never seen his scumplay firsthand, but I had heard in another game that he had a history of bussing partners.

Cite it.

wow are you serious right now

I dunno, you tell me.

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It was anti-scum not town cabd. It wasn't a scum role perse.

Its the only thing you have completed not named town. Non groupscum is still scum.

[morph the cat]

That's an ongoing game. Can't discuss or cite that.

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Awww, muffin took it seriously. Love you too muffin.

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That's an ongoing game. Can't discuss or cite that.

I'm not

Not talking to you, ffery was snapping at pie.

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There's literally only my vote on you. Squirm more, much?

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Two votes, I think. Varsoon voted pie last night.

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You've got the floor. Go on.

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do I have to do it now

I prefer to wait

Before the day is over is fine, but realize that sofitng and then revoking it is tantamount to a scumclaim.

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Sorry wayne your time to push your shitty usual RQS thing flew by about 8 pages ago.

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But you can go for extra credit if you tell us what made it alignment relevant given you post an RQS question in all your games even your not-town one.

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This is me and ffery not answering Wayne's RQS merely to annoy him.

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The scumslip looks a bit rough to me, Cabd. I was in LOTR for a brief period of time, though, too and pie nailed it on the head with the mechanic. Right now I don't think the "slip" holds much credence, but it could use some reevaluation if more were to light a path to pie's scumminess.

Somebody isn't at all aware of the kind of shit I do to test reactions. That person's forum name is thezmon221.

[morph the cat]

This is me and ffery not answering Wayne's RQS merely to annoy him.

ENTP.

You?

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asdf now I'm paranoid of you bc the last time I saw someone calling "scumslip" on a townie he was scum himself. @_@

Ancedote does not a truth make.

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This is me and ffery not answering Wayne's RQS merely to annoy him.

<3u2

Why don't you want to give up your personality type? Here...just for you cabd...1,2,3, or 4?

You already know, go pull up thiago's game or something.

[morph the cat]

I CBA to do all your work for you, now can I?

[morph the cat]

friends i lub u allo

Sup?

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but when it's morph incorrectly claiming a "scumslip"?

Why is it being us relevant?

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cause iirc you're one of the better players here. so when it was one of the more skilled players calling it, I got all scared and paranoid >_<

I'm reminded of the crap talk about me in that AMoL scum qt. :/

[morph the cat]

has any of this changed your reads on anyone?

Dunno about Cabd, but I'm liking zmuffin more, and I <3 Mac and hope he doesn't have a raging hangover in a few hours.

[morph the cat]

So pie what exactly makes us one of the strongest player slots here? Do tell.

[morph the cat]

Player List:
1. BROseidon <--pretty fucking solid scumgame and decent towngame when not apathetic
2. Ghostly Penguin (Ghostlin + penguin_alien) <--pretty fucking solid player
3. Mac <---pretty solid player when he's not lazy~
4. MafiaSSK <---join date of a while ago, been around the block a few times
5. mastin2 <---has a lease on the mafiascum mafia guide section
8. Psychlone (GuyInFreezer + Nachomamma8) <---two fucking SOLID players
9. thenewearth <---i'll admit TNE is not someone I have tons of experience with
10. thezmon221 <---see TNE
11. Varsoon <---respectable games as both alignments
12. waynegg <---eh, Wayne's wayne
13. zMuffinMan <---solid fucking towngame and scumgame. Fooled ffery super well in DD

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Nothing is proven until the mod says so. Also, I've wiggled out of pressure by "confirming myself town" before plenty of times.

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cash cabd was a mini normal game moderated by Cabd. The players in this game who played that one are: Nacho (Rebel without a Pulse hydra), zmuffinman (Rail Tracer hydra), GiF and Ffery (Sound of Silence hydra). All of those players played solid but not perfect games in cash cabd.

I'm not really sure what you heard about that game, but whatever reputation was earned was shared rep for the most part.

[morph the cat]

Yeah, I'd say reread it.

[morph the cat]

Also, if there's a cop in this game, please claim now.

Yeah, no. If there's a cop in this game, don't claim for the fuck of it on day 1.

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Also, if there's a cop in this game, please claim now.

Yeah, no. If there's a cop in this game, don't claim for the fuck of it on day 1.

I -had- a plaaan~

I'm going to let Cabd write the ticket for gambiting without a license.

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Get out of our heads, zmuffin.

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So I go back to my original statement that you are constantly making empty comments and are being detrimental to the town wincon.

Do you think he's scum?

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It seems more like you're arguing that he's terrible at reading you than that he's scum.

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kitten #1 dies in 50 minutes

Spoiler:

don't make me do this

You're really bad at this whole terrorism thing aren't you?

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Wayne, I would prefer to keep my policy lynch virginity intact so can you please stop spouting bullshit and form a coherent case if you're going to call people scum? All you're doing is making the other 8ish players check out.

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People painting me vs Pie as Town Versus Town makes me upset. I did the same thing for a moment with Mala/Nick in Xenogears. I love doing this when one of my scum partners is on the line, especially when the town is likely to be the lynch. One town flips and I can hold the fear of a mislynch over the heads of the townbase. So, to you guys, I am skeptical.

here's the other thing

if you are town, and people painting me vs you as town v town makes you upset, that would imply you believe it's not town v town. which would imply you still think I'm scum. so why all of a sudden did it get reduced to this v

There's definitely scum between Morph and Pieguy.

I can't understand the thought process behind you being town, and you vs me not being town v town, and then that ^ following from this. a more natural deduction would be that I'm scum. however, you're apparently not convinced and would rather say it's either morph or me?

this shows such a great logical inconsistency in your thoughts that I can't understand it. please explain this because I don't get what the hell you're thinking at all > <

Don't forget this one, Varsoon.

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morph,

save the kittens?

But but but muffin-kun; I'm scared. I hear the first time hurts?

...maybe if it's you.

You won't make it hurt, will you?

[morph the cat]

But but but muffin-kun; I'm scared. I hear the first time hurts?

are you iffy on wayne being scum?

Nope

VOTE: waynegg

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hey morph,

what do you current reads look like?

it feels like you guys have been taking a back seat approach to this game and sort of going with the flow for most of it

i'm not seeing any sort of strong questioning/stances i'm used to seeing from you

I've been mostly in observation mode watching waynegg and thezmon argue over the last day. They both pinged pretty hard early on, but the way they tangled made me think maybe only one is scum.

I'm going to let Cabd explain what he sees in Wayne's play. I'm really surprised Wayne claim under so little pressure if he's actually town.

UNVOTE

until Cabd and I have a chance to talk about this morning's posts.

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t

Hey wayne, you're not doing something I associate with town you. Do you know what it is? And if you do, why aren't you doing it this game?

what do you hope to achieve with this line of questioning? scum-wayne to clock he's not doing it and start doing it so you townread him?

Among other things, nerves is what Cabd hoped to achieve. I think he succeeded.

@morph

3. Mac-Mac's one post was really lame and not anything readable, really. ffery likes this one post more than cabd does.

i dunno if this talks about the wall i made or not. if it does, i agree. does it worry you as much as it does me (see above) ghostlin townreading me for it?

thinking zmon is town. i liked the "i dont see what could've changed your stance on me" - the kinda town paranoia im feeling about ghosty right about now.

I still feel like there's some oddness to the way thezmon words stuff, and it worries me a little. I'm going to find some time to read other thezmon games today or tomorrow.

So what did you think about empking's rings mechanic, pie? Do you think town could have won?

And what did you think about vox's mechanics?

Okay, how about the mechanic in achievement unlocked? What were your thoughts about that?

seriously, you better have a point with this.

Hear that kids? That's the sound of scum that slipped.

.............................

really. this sucks, and I expect better from you cabd(?) - how many times does a fucking scumslip result in a scumlynch? (-50 points for whomever quotes varsoon in that mini game) having been lynched for a scumslip as town, you should probably try harder than that.

oh yeah. lolreactiontest.

pie's reaction... strange. not really telling cus i think it could come from either scum/roled town, which i believe is what he's claiming. MOVING SWIFTLY ON.

pie displayed some fairly detailed knowledge of the LoTR game mechanics. Cabd questioned first to see if pie really did know stuff about the mechanics.

He wondered if pie had done some pre-game meta research on the players, which was what the other game mechanics questions were about. If this was general research on players, he could be expected to know a little about the unusual mechanics in some other games that players in this game have recently played.

That wasn't the case. So pie's knowledge of one game in particular looked more suspicious, like he might know about the game from discussion with a scumbuddy. That was the point of the questions, and that's the reason why we voted him.

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why the fuck have you claimed

I'm at L-3, about to leave for work, and everyone believes I'm an open book for cabd. I was expecting a quick lynch before I got off work to say anything else as a result. Besides, I feel pretty good someone will have my back.

If you think that I would stand by and let a quick lynch go through given the current game state, then you don't know a thing about my game.

[morph the cat]

pie displayed some fairly detailed knowledge of the LoTR game mechanics.

er btw this is wrong. he didn't display anything outside of what was probably a guess from reading the rules of the setup, and he was wrong about the mechanic for the most part.

i skimmed over the conversation earlier so i didn't notice it before, but yeah, this is plain wrong.

Then part of the basis for our read was wrong. I've been trying to make sense of his reaction to our vote ever since, so that actually kinda helps.

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btw i'm pretty sure TNE is town here. or at least his play here is totally unlike the play from when i was scum with him.

I was also recently scum with him. Cabd was town in that game (Chef Mafia). I think it was the 3rd or 4th game I've played with him. In the others we were both town IIRC, except for hunterxhunterx. I've found that his play is very much dependent how much time he has for mafia. In general, looking back at earlier games that I didn't play but meta'd during the first game or two we played together, being (relatively) involved and serious about the game is associated with his scum play.

I'm going to review hunterxhunterx. The scum game we recently finished he only made 2-3 posts iirc and was the day 1 lynch.

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As for the morph post--I didn't like it. It pinged my radar, but heck if I know what in their reads list felt off. (Actually, it mighta been this one. But it was one of the two for sure.)

One of these days, it will be scum-me and town-you in a game. When that eventuality occurs, I'll take heart that you're not rock solid at reading me. Yet, anyway.

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And by the way.

I'm totally going to go Bert on y'all and point out how we're wagoning easy players. (For the most part.)
TNE, not exactly a strong player.
MafiaSSK, not exactly a strong player.
Wayne, not exactly a charismatic player.

Among others. (There's probably more wagons I'm forgetting about.)

It's nothing condemning, but it's certainly concerning. I'm not seeing anything from TNE which pings me either way, quite frankly. And on SSK, there's nothing TO be pinged. But I fail to see how the lack of content is alignment-indicative from him.

Cabd and I are going off experiential meta, mostly the Paradox Prime game with our read of MafiaSSK. We thought he was scum in that game, but turned out to be town. He posted a ton on "day 1" - the game mechanic had the game start at 3 player lylo endgame and then rush back to day 1. He wasn't one of the players that scum selected for their 3-player lylo game start. So, "day 1" was really the second game day, but the first where all players could participate.

If we were still futzing around in rvs-mode I wouldn't care about his participation level. But, there's a ton of data to analyze and interact with now.

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1. BROseidon
3. Mac
4. MafiaSSK
6. Morph the Cat (fferyllt + Cabd)
9. thenewearth
13. zMuffinMan

For better or for worse, I'm focusing on the names in there a bit. Mac seems townish, I've got a gut feeling SSK and TEN are town, which'd narrow it down to {BRO, morph, zMuffinMan}, but that doesn't seem right at all. Soyeah. That's basically where I'm at right now. I know it sucks. I know it's not good. But it's what I've got.

At least you're focusing on two players I had early concerns about. I'm not sure it's good to have dropped my guard on BRO and zmuffin a little since my first reads list, but I do like later stuff they've posted.

p-edit Ah. You're reacting to Cabd's gambiting. This time, I don't have to sort out whether it's coming from town or scum motivation.

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So how is it, wayne, that you haven't realized that none of the posts leading up to your claim were mine? The joke in response to muffin is my most recent post. And I don't recall professing to able to read you amazingly, you'll have to point out where I might have said that.

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So how is it, wayne, that you haven't realized that none of the posts leading up to your claim were mine? The joke in response to muffin is my most recent post. And I don't recall professing to able to read you amazingly, you'll have to point out where I might have said that.

Who said you said it? I said others perceive that you can. If it wasn't your vote, you definitely sanctioned it, and it would have been received with the same kind of weight.

What's it called when someone hangs onto an irrelevant, minuscule point that has no relation in determining alignment to make a case? I forgot...

Wayne, the thing that pinged for me in your early play was that you weren't continually pushing back and testing me - me personally, not Cabd. Because rumor has it that I'm the easier head to read in this hydra. We danced over my scum claim in the Achievement game and that was pretty ok. But, I thought you were way, way too complacent about my not answering your RQS until Cabd called you on it last night. On the one hand, I think you know that I'm more interested in watching and evaluating RQS reactions than in jumping in and perturbating what's already happening. But, on the other hand, knowing I'm going to sit that dance out and blandly letting me do it without pushback seemed off. Because I feel pretty sure that town-you would push me on that sort of thing. And there's the various other players who weren't pushed to answer as well.

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So how is it, wayne, that you haven't realized that none of the posts leading up to your claim were mine? The joke in response to muffin is my most recent post. And I don't recall professing to able to read you amazingly, you'll have to point out where I might have said that.

Who said you said it? I said others perceive that you can. If it wasn't your vote, you definitely sanctioned it, and it would have been received with the same kind of weight.

What's it called when someone hangs onto an irrelevant, minuscule point that has no relation in determining alignment to make a case? I forgot...

Wayne, the thing that pinged for me in your early play was that you weren't continually pushing back and testing me - me personally, not Cabd. Because rumor has it that I'm the easier head to read in this hydra. We danced over my scum claim in the Achievement game and that was pretty ok. But, I thought you were way, way too complacent about my not answering your RQS until Cabd called you on it last night. On the one hand, I think you know that I'm more interested in watching and evaluating RQS reactions than in jumping in and perturbating what's already happening. But, on the other hand, knowing I'm going to sit that dance out and blandly letting me do it without pushback seemed off. Because I feel pretty sure that town-you would push me on that sort of thing. And there's the various other players who weren't pushed to answer as well.

Then neither of you have been reading my recent games? It gets to be a hell of a headache twisting people's arms to answer the question by myself. The hell of it is ~ that's the best question I've come up with yet because it makes personality types plain. The later when they go from 1 to 3 they're done. I still want answers, but I can get them by myself.

My personality type is basically an open book.

I'm not Cabd. At most, I follow 2-3 games I'm not actively playing. I don't think I've ever followed a game that you happened to be playing.

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So you don't like going after strong players that you scumread early because you're afraid that you might mislynch them.

Yes?

I don't see why you think this is strange. I'll make notes of strong players that I scumread, and point it out. But I'm not going to push them. Not strongly. Because I'm not a scumhunting god. I'm a decently-mediocre player, even upper-mediocre. My reads are right more often than they are wrong, but they ARE wrong, and wrong a ton. What if I were wrong on that strong player being scum? Then I've just sabotaged us both, and given the scum a MASSIVE edge.

It's better to take things more casually. And work with them, hash it out so to speak. Let them see it, let them have a chance to talk me out of it, basically, prod about it and get more info on them before I make a final decision.

It's not the kind of player I want to commit to on D1, if that makes sense.

I've replied to you. I don't see much work with or hash out happening here, Mastin. And I see a whole lot of oooooh but I might be. You wouldn't be distancing would you?

[morph the cat]

So you don't like going after strong players that you scumread early because you're afraid that you might mislynch them.

Yes?

I don't see why you think this is strange. I'll make notes of strong players that I scumread, and point it out. But I'm not going to push them. Not strongly. Because I'm not a scumhunting god. I'm a decently-mediocre player, even upper-mediocre. My reads are right more often than they are wrong, but they ARE wrong, and wrong a ton. What if I were wrong on that strong player being scum? Then I've just sabotaged us both, and given the scum a MASSIVE edge.

It's better to take things more casually. And work with them, hash it out so to speak. Let them see it, let them have a chance to talk me out of it, basically, prod about it and get more info on them before I make a final decision.

It's not the kind of player I want to commit to on D1, if that makes sense.

I've replied to you. I don't see much work with or hash out happening here, Mastin. And I see a whole lot of oooooh but I might be. You wouldn't be distancing would you?

This is valid.

I don't like the part where mastin disappeared for just long enough for me to notice, but then posted before I was going to call him on lurking, then engaged with limited parts of the thread.

mastin are you scum?

Since his vote is on us, I'm assuming that means he thinks we're not strong players. It won't take much meta-diving at all to ascertain whether that's his usual take.

[morph the cat]

Spoiler: from my two most recent games with Mastin

[11] RachMarie (zMuffinMan, Desperado, Nachomamma8, Ghostlin, BeautyAndTheBeast, Aj The Epic, Sound of Silence, Andrius, Trust Fund, Saki, BROseidon)
[4] Andrius (Malakittens, RachMarie, Faster Than Light, TiphaineDeath)
[3] nickthename (mastin2, Mutleyddmc, notscience)
[1] BROseidon (Mac)
[1] mastin2 (nickthename)
[1] TiphaineDeath (Venmar)

Would just like to point out: with the exception of Nacho (who, yes, I do fully believe was bussing) and Andrius (who is in ideal bussing position) and BRoseidon (whose hammer was incredibly-suspicious), that the Rach wagon is pretty dang solid.

The Andrius wagon, in contrast, has Malakittens and RachMarie on it. Then there's nick, who vote-parked on me literally for the entirety of the day, with pretty much no reasoning behind it at all.


By the way--I find it no coincidence that the hydra with ffery in it died. Of all the players in this game, I think Nacho fears her the most as scum. Yes, you can write this off as coincidence. But I don't think so. Since I brought up his similarities in this game to his play in Buzzword Bingo mafia, let's actually quote FROM that game.

Ffery/buldey play with me offsite a lot, where they got a glimpse of the weakest part of my scumgame. I am a little better at hiding here, but they're attacking me for getting an early townread on them and attacking Jake.
ffery, that was an amazing scumtell you have on me that I picked up on recently
I usually focus on defense a little when I come under fire; i don't know if ffery knows that yet
They know me. I can throw false positives all over the fucking place as town and I can throw false negatives all the time as scum but fferyllt will find me eventually.
I'm in the weakest point of my scumgame with them. I'm going to give this my best fucking shot but god fucking damnit i hate switching gears.
ffery used to be able to read me really, really well. some of this old power retains, but not all of it.
She's caught me out when I've been in a foreign site and she's caught me out after I killed her. But she can read me now; I have to make her forget that she can read me and give her that feelgood feeling she needs to move on. I'm going to show her my personal lie castle as scum, and either that will work and solidify the read or it will cast doubt.
Unfortunately, I need aspects of my scum meta in my play. So I won't avoid them all, but if she picks up on them, I'll know I have to do a hard reset of my scumgame for her specifically. She's picking out weak trajectory reasons for now, but if she's getting me lynched she's doing a hell of a lot more than that.

(Just read the scum QT in its entirety. It's basically "Why I need to always get rid of fferry", the essay. ) For further parallels, he ended up bussing Rach in a manner not too dissimilar to how he ultimately bussed me in that game. Butyeah. Nobody in this game needed fferyllt dead more than Nacho did. Yes, her ability to read Nacho isn't perfect, and yes, it has decreased. But Nacho probably still holds that fear for her, that even if she townreads him NOW, it'll only be a matter of time before it's reversed into a scumread, and with a hydra buddy backing her up, she would be unstoppable, and unrelenting in her scumread of him.

yo

Oi!

That's

my

line!




But anyway,

Nacho, SoS, magenta

, and to some extent, Tammy:

I realize that, statistically, it's a probability for one of you (or, heck, even two) to be scum, buuuuuut...I'm going to try something this game. I'm going to, for the time being, assume all of you are town, and ask that you do the same. Basically, at least for the first half of D1, I'm asking that we treat each other as more town than we actually are, and work with one another in figuring out the alignments of the remaining four. (Darger, phok, projectmatt, and TIP.) In other words, working with another (temporarily!) as if we had already formed a townbloc.

Now, after half a day has passed, sure, yeah. We can reassess each others' alignments to see who (if any) of those big name five are scum. (If you four were all actually town, then this game would be a dream-team of town players. ) I think that it'll be an interesting experiment, and not to mention, I

do

have an idea for why this might be a good idea this game, though that's something I'd prefer not to reveal until D2 (assuming I live that long, since proposing this plan paints a big, HUUUUUUUUGE X over me

screaming

"Dammit, we need to kill Mastin before he screws us over"*. ).

*I can see pretty much any player on this list giving me the veto. Which'd leave me as definitely nightkillable.

[morph the cat]

wanted to look into morph a bit more, and I found something

@morph:

Cabd thinks he seems more pleasant (not quite how he described it) in this game than in xenogears. He was scum in xenogears. I'm comparing him to his play in Death's Diner, as well, and would also characterize his play as more pleasant and less abrasive. He was town in that game. I'll want more data.

Bro's observation about his vote position is pretty interesting, though.

Scum

1. BROseidon - Varsoon vote reasons were bad and he should feel bad.

10. thezmon221 - Mastin vote and "mislynch on pro-town player" both pinged.

so you think BROs' observation is interesting, which would imply that it has some merit. but now his vote reasons were bad? why the flip flop plz?

I also noticed that 124 was immediately when I moved onto Varsoon, while 185 was after zmuffin had said my case was bad and Psychlone made a similar statement. flow-going much?

The word "interesting" in my mafia lexicon is not a positive one. It's usually accompanied with squinty eyes.

[morph the cat]

UNVOTE

until Cabd and I have a chance to talk about this morning's posts.

has this happened yet?

Kinda. We haven't talked about where to put our vote yet.

[morph the cat]

I've replied to you. I don't see much work with or hash out happening here, Mastin. And I see a whole lot of oooooh but I might be. You wouldn't be distancing would you?

Honestly, I kinda suck at reaching out to you. It's there, but it's sorta subtle I guess. Probably too much. But I'm not sure what else I can do, other than blatantly spending a lot of time on you and forcing it through. But I don't want to force it through. I want things to flow organically. And I'm doing as much as I can to make things go that smoothly, yet they're apparently not strong enough.

(Also. I can't be distancing unless we're both scum. )

You can be distancing from my flip, which is what I meant. Your

I could be wrong

message gives me that vibe.

I am trying. I'm trying to figure things out. I'm trying to talk to you. But this is the best I can do.

What do you want to talk about?

Since his vote is on us, I'm assuming that means he thinks we're not strong players.

I can definitely understand how you'd interpret it that way, but it's not. You seem to be assuming that my vote on you is an attempt to lynch you. It's not. Quite the opposite, I fully expect the lynch to not be on you. My vote's not on you to pressure you. It's to make a statement about my reads, essentially.

In that...I'm desperate. I really, really don't have anywhere better to go. I don't. I simply don't. I wish I did, but I'm not seeing it. It's not a vote saying that I want you dead. It's a vote saying that I've literally got nothing else I can think of to do. Granted, I maybe shoulda used the bold tags rather than the vote tags to emphasize that. But my scumread on you was just strong enough to warrant the vote tags. In that I DO think you're scum, and decently-strongly, too. But...I'm far from certain on it. I'm not confident in it at all. I would prefer to go elsewhere, even. I just...literally, cannot think of anywhere better for me to go.

And I'm perplexed that I'm your strongest scum read because I am not used to town-you getting my alignment this wrong. I don't guess I'll ever be objective about how my play impacts game state, especially in the first few pages of a game. But, my behaviors are always, always, ALWAYS shaped by my motivations and there's a very straight-line relationship between my motivations and my role. I can talk about how Cabd and I partner as town vs how we partner as scum if you want. I'm pretty close to an expert on at least my side of that partnership and what I think I bring to the table. I know where my strengths as a town player lie. I know where (what passes for) my strengths as a scum player lie.

[morph the cat]

What do you want to talk about?

I don't know, and that's part of the problem. Even my decent townreads like wayne and zMuffin and such aren't strong. But they're townreads all the same. And...that's the issue. A lot of the people being pushed don't look like scum to me. I don't think wayne is. I don't think SSK is. And yet, people like you are pushing them as if they are.

I can actually see a wayne townread based on how his play has evolved after the push on zmuffin. SSK, I dunno. Like I said, my experience with his play was in a game with very unusual mechanics, and he had what I think was a very strong start in that game. I misread him in that game mostly based on word choice stuff - including but not limited to labeling stuff his scumreads (particularly me) were doing as "anti-town" instead of "scummy". His level of involvement in this game needs to change. Without that, I've got nothing upon which to base a read-change of my own.

I don't really trust your reads at the moment because I know for a fact that your strongest scum read is wrong. What I don't know is how off-base it is, e.g., to what extent my play somehow justifies the misread. Unless I get a handle on that, I don't think you're going to be very effective at convincing me one of your other reads is solid gold.

[morph the cat]

(Random fun fact: it was completely coincidental. I swear. This game had zero reasoning for me to start rewriting this article. I started it with as part of my efforts to get my MD threads recorded as wiki articles. But by complete and total coincidence, just about every single piece of advice in there is what I'm doing right now, because I need to have it done. )

I don't really trust your reads at the moment because I know for a fact that your strongest scum read is wrong. What I don't know is how off-base it is, e.g., to what extent my play somehow justifies the misread. Unless I get a handle on that, I don't think you're going to be very effective at convincing me one of your other reads is solid gold.

Nor should you trust my reads. *I* don't. If I don't trust my reads, nobody should. As a general hint. My scumreads are typically far more off-base than my townreads are.

Butyeah. What I'm actually looking for isn't for you to convince me you're town. What I think I'm mainly looking for is for you to tell me who's scum, and to do so in a way that I can synch up with it. 'Cause on SSK? I'm not. At all. At worst, I see him as null. At best, as town. I'm not feeling him being scum at all.

dude. I thought you are well aware that I townhunt far more effectively than I scumhunt.

And one of the players I'll want to make a stake in the ground has hardly posted at all.

There will most likely be an incoming reads list update in an hour or two.

[morph the cat]

@morph:

what do you think of BRO's jump on wayne?

I thought I answered this.

The vote itself didn't trouble me too much because I also had rising concerns about Wayne at that point. The main reason I waited until yesterday morning to vote him was because I didn't want to jostle the interactions between Wayne and thezmon because those interactions were helping with my reads on both players.

However, I didn't like the 624 reasons for the vote, and made a note to bring that up with Cabd when we synch our reads. In the Wayne games I've read, I've found him to be plenty abrasive as town.

[morph the cat]

And I'm perplexed that I'm your strongest scum read because I am not used to town-you getting my alignment this wrong.

Why aren't you considering the possibility that mastin's scum?

Why aren't you reading my posts?

[morph the cat]

if you answered it sry i'm tired as hell so i probably missed it

wondering, the vote was in 622 and he gave a specific reason immediately in 624. how is it you don't find too much trouble with the vote, even though you don't like the reason that was given at practically the same time?

He put a vote down on someone I was thinking was scum. VOTES on someone I think are scum are good. REASONS can be bad even if the vote itself fits my purposes, which are to find town to work with and find scum to lynch.

[morph the cat]

I don't usually say "I think you're scum" until/unless I've gone from

considering the possibility

to

scumreading

.

I've telegraphed pretty heavily that I'm considering the possibility

So you don't like going after strong players that you scumread early because you're afraid that you might mislynch them.

Yes?

I don't see why you think this is strange. I'll make notes of strong players that I scumread, and point it out. But I'm not going to push them. Not strongly. Because I'm not a scumhunting god. I'm a decently-mediocre player, even upper-mediocre. My reads are right more often than they are wrong, but they ARE wrong, and wrong a ton. What if I were wrong on that strong player being scum? Then I've just sabotaged us both, and given the scum a MASSIVE edge.

It's better to take things more casually. And work with them, hash it out so to speak. Let them see it, let them have a chance to talk me out of it, basically, prod about it and get more info on them before I make a final decision.

It's not the kind of player I want to commit to on D1, if that makes sense.

I've replied to you. I don't see much work with or hash out happening here, Mastin. And I see a whole lot of oooooh but I might be.

You wouldn't be distancing would you?

I've replied to you. I don't see much work with or hash out happening here, Mastin. And I see a whole lot of oooooh but I might be. You wouldn't be distancing would you?

Honestly, I kinda suck at reaching out to you. It's there, but it's sorta subtle I guess. Probably too much. But I'm not sure what else I can do, other than blatantly spending a lot of time on you and forcing it through. But I don't want to force it through. I want things to flow organically. And I'm doing as much as I can to make things go that smoothly, yet they're apparently not strong enough.

(Also. I can't be distancing unless we're both scum. )

You can be distancing from my flip, which is what I meant.

Your

I could be wrong

message gives me that vibe.

I am trying. I'm trying to figure things out. I'm trying to talk to you. But this is the best I can do.

What do you want to talk about?

Since his vote is on us, I'm assuming that means he thinks we're not strong players.

I can definitely understand how you'd interpret it that way, but it's not. You seem to be assuming that my vote on you is an attempt to lynch you. It's not. Quite the opposite, I fully expect the lynch to not be on you. My vote's not on you to pressure you. It's to make a statement about my reads, essentially.

In that...I'm desperate. I really, really don't have anywhere better to go. I don't. I simply don't. I wish I did, but I'm not seeing it. It's not a vote saying that I want you dead. It's a vote saying that I've literally got nothing else I can think of to do. Granted, I maybe shoulda used the bold tags rather than the vote tags to emphasize that. But my scumread on you was just strong enough to warrant the vote tags. In that I DO think you're scum, and decently-strongly, too. But...I'm far from certain on it. I'm not confident in it at all. I would prefer to go elsewhere, even. I just...literally, cannot think of anywhere better for me to go.

And I'm perplexed that I'm your strongest scum read

because I am not used to town-you getting my alignment this wrong

. I don't guess I'll ever be objective about how my play impacts game state, especially in the first few pages of a game. But, my behaviors are always, always, ALWAYS shaped by my motivations and there's a very straight-line relationship between my motivations and my role. I can talk about how Cabd and I partner as town vs how we partner as scum if you want. I'm pretty close to an expert on at least my side of that partnership and what I think I bring to the table. I know where my strengths as a town player lie. I know where (what passes for) my strengths as a scum player lie.

As well as going to look up recent games with Mastin to see if he indicated he thought I was or wasn't a strong player.

He backed away from that statement and whether it should apply to me, but it's there in his post nevertheless.

[morph the cat]

So the fact that someone was pushing on one of your scumreads for "bad reasons" wasn't setting off any alarms?

I believe I've telegraphed my thoughts about BRO pretty well so far this game.

[morph the cat]

And I'm perplexed that I'm your strongest scum read because I am not used to town-you getting my alignment this wrong

This sentence reads that you think mastin is town.

Why would you be confused if you think mastin's scum?

No, it does not read that I think mastin is town. It reads that I'm talking to him as though he could be town. And I'm listening to the echoes that come back in the conversation from being talked to as a potential teammate.

I'm really surprised you've never noticed this about my game before. I routinely suspend overt suspicion when interacting with players I'm not townreading, and I think about what their responses suggest about their alignment.

[morph the cat]

Can I just say it's really funny watching everyone fail to get the way ffery talks the way she intends her words to be taken?

[morph the cat]

There will most likely be an incoming reads list update in an hour or two.

She got some shitty business dinner thing, I've been unable to contact her this entire evening. Tomorrow.

[morph the cat]

actually, I'm really starting to look at morph a lot too

a lot of her posts seem really serious. and I know I read somewhere that for ffery, "not having fun" is a scumtell. I'm kind of getting that vibe from them atm, although that's pretty much entirely gut.

and I'm paranoid of anyone who calls a scumslip on a townie

Mafia is srs bzns. Having fun is almost always in that context. I don't think you have anywhere near the experience to tell the difference between me being town-annoyed (or for that matter town-fatalistic) and me being scum. Though there's plenty of data available, and there are now even some scum games out there in the meta-mix where I was arguably having fun during at least parts of the games.

Morph meta is a sort of island, though. All the completed games are not-town, and I have a hopefully pessimistic expectation that we'll be scumread by default, though there's a fizz in the back of my mind every time I open this game because this time the game is in my home court. I'm not too worried about things because I know what my body of work will demonstrate.

There are at least a few people playing this game who demonstrably can read me. Assuming they're town, the morph read should be pretty accurate.

I'm going to sleep off that business dinner now.

[morph the cat]

actually, I'm really starting to look at morph a lot too

a lot of her posts seem really serious. and I know I read somewhere that for ffery, "not having fun" is a scumtell. I'm kind of getting that vibe from them atm, although that's pretty much entirely gut.

and I'm paranoid of anyone who calls a scumslip on a townie

Mafia is srs bzns. Having fun is almost always in that context. I don't think you have anywhere near the experience to tell the difference between me being town-annoyed (or for that matter town-fatalistic) and me being scum. Though there's plenty of data available, and there are now even some scum games out there in the meta-mix where I was arguably having fun during at least parts of the games.

Morph meta is a sort of island, though. All the completed games are not-town, and I have a hopefully pessimistic expectation that we'll be scumread by default, though there's a fizz in the back of my mind every time I open this game because this time the game is in my home court. I'm not too worried about things because I know what my body of work will demonstrate.

There are at least a few people playing this game who demonstrably can read me

. Assuming they're town, the morph read should be pretty accurate.

I'm going to sleep off that business dinner now.

And now ffery scum to go with cabdscum.

VOTE: Morph

Wasn't counting you among those.

[morph the cat]

Town

Holy shit I don't feel like putting any of you in this pile.

Lean Town

Varsoon - I disgree with him on some stuff, but he's the towniest player in the list atm.
mastin2 - I think scum-mastin would actually work harder on mislynching me, because I don't think I get much more mislynchable than town-morph at this point in the morph-evolution. I like some of his reads, and like them some of them more than I originally did.
zMuffinMan - this is becoming a pattern. I'll like his entrance into games, get weirded out about some of his early posts and stances, and then work my way back toward a town read.
pieguyn - without the partial claim this would be a null read. I thought about moving him to lean town on the basis of his pretty much tireless questioning of other players, but looking at the questions he's asked me I feel like an ISO would have answered most of them more than adequately. Makes me worry some of this is busywork. Also, Cabd feels that the focus on the "scumslip" accusation is bad and he should feel bad, because that was an obvious as fuck reaction test.

Null

thenewearth - play the damn game.
Mac - same. After the xenogears game, I have expectations.
Psychlone - it worries me a lot that I don't have enough data to develop even a preliminary read. Much as I loved the hi guys case, it's worn off. I know Nacho's stolen laptop situation, but GiF get in here and talk.
waynegg - I don't know how Cabd feels but I've come back to what seems to be my usual take when I read waynegg's posts - intentionally chaotic and abrasive, reaction seeking, and ultimately not all that effective. Some sort of order usually emerges, and he does a fair job of interacting with his town reads later on. I'm watching for signs of that happening.
Ghostly Penguin - Not as much content mixed in with the invective as I'm used to seeing. IIRC we got off to a rocky start in the Diner game but eventually our reads and stances were pretty synchronous. Waiting to see if that happens here.

Leaning Scum

BROseidon - there's a huge reads/reactions disconnect here that I'm not used to seeing when we're both town. Xenogears being a counter-example. I feel like we occasionally come close to the same page on a player or post and then it falls apart again. I'm worried this means scum-BRO.
MafiaSSK - sorry, mastin. I still have somewhat but not entirely meta-based concerns here.
thezmon211 - the back and forth between him and waynegg has me leaning scum, mostly because his arguments have been as much about discrediting waynegg as about rebutting the substance. I know that a word choice based case isn't easy to refute. In fact BRO tried to spin such a case on me in xenogears, and my reaction was to laugh it off because fuck no I was town.

[morph the cat]

@wayne:

can you elaborate on exactly what's wrong with that post

@zmuffin:

what are your thoughts on morph's 837

@wayne:

can you elaborate on exactly what's wrong with that post

@zmuffin:

what are your thoughts on morph's 837

If you compare it to her posts in Xenoblade you'll see the same kind of snark and put down toward people scum reading her. So much so she could have copy/pasted from that game and had essentially the same post.

Heh, I probably snark more and with less provocation as town, but the nature of the snark is different. Nacho pointed out the difference to me during a recent game. To the extent I can avoid it, I won't be snarking xenoblade-style again anytime soon. And that is not what I'm doing in this game. Not snarking the same way unfortunately isn't alignment indicative any more, and Nacho at least knows that.

[morph the cat]

@wayne:

can you elaborate on exactly what's wrong with that post

@zmuffin:

what are your thoughts on morph's 837

@wayne:

can you elaborate on exactly what's wrong with that post

@zmuffin:

what are your thoughts on morph's 837

If you compare it to her posts in Xenoblade you'll see the same kind of snark and put down toward people scum reading her. So much so she could have copy/pasted from that game and had essentially the same post.

Heh, I probably snark more and with less provocation as town, but the nature of the snark is different. Nacho pointed out the difference to me during a recent game. To the extent I can avoid it, I won't be snarking xenoblade-style again anytime soon. And that is not what I'm doing in this game. Not snarking the same way unfortunately isn't alignment indicative any more, and Nacho at least knows that.

I don't know that and there are at least two posts in Blade that are exactly matched with this one. Or are you saying tat you as scum would just say "Welp, ya got me. You all go on and lynch me now." because that would definitely be different from Xenkblade...

I think if you go back and look you'll find that much of *my* snark in that game had considerably more edge to it. The post you pointed up hardly qualifies as snark at all. Might be useful to look at how I reacted to being misread in the Walking Dead game. Check specifically for my reactions to Mollie in both games, because when I'm town and she misreads me I usually don't take it very well. Same as scum, but the reactions are different.

This was well below my level of self awareness prior to Nacho pointing some stuff out to me during the Walking Dead game.

[morph the cat]

But I'm not Molly and you don't hold me to that standard. Or are you all of a sudden?

No, you're not held to that standard at all. But I think you already know that.

And if you're self aware of your meta enough to hold some of your natural snark, why should any of us put any weight on your self meta that that isn't enough snark to qualify for scumffery?

Wayne:
P1 ffery snarked when FoSed/Voted in Xenoblade and was scum
P2 ffery snarked when FoSed/Voted in Touhou
C1 ffery must be scum in Touhou because snark

ffery:
P1a ffery snarked when FoSed/Voted in Xenoblade and was scum
P2b ffery snarked when FoSed/Voted in Walking Dead and was town
Oh hey! P2c ffery snarked to the Nth degree in Death's Diner, put herself in time out for 24 hours and cooled the fuck down, and was town
P3 ffery has been made aware of her tendencies to snark and is now actively working to keep it alignment-unindicative
C1b the presence of snark is probably not alignment indicative

See the logical inconsistency there?

No, not quite. Maybe I should squint harder.

[morph the cat]

Yeah, you guys are scum. Sorry. And I see you're gonna make me wade through 5,243,867 2 posts so the rest of the thread can compare apples to apples. I know I'll never convince you guys that you're scum.

I think you are concerned that what you'll find won't match your assertions.

[morph the cat]

I think you don't want me to pull up those matching posts

I hope you will. But, if it turns out that you can find that some of my snarky posts as scum and some of my snarky posts as town are similar, that's not going to be a huge surprise. I've historically played a sort of chameleon scum game where I try to stick with behaviors I exhibit as town. The problem with that kind of game, even when it's played perfectly, is that town behaviors aren't efficient for a scum wincon, which is why I now try to think about effectiveness and efficiency as scum more when I draw scum roles. The other problem is that my reactions to pressure as scum and town are different. That's why there are markers in the types of snark I tend toward as different alignments.

Cabd linked me to an offsite game where he says you spent about 60 pages trying to convince him he was scum. You know, it's at least a positive change that you recognize that sort of argument is a waste of time.

[morph the cat]

Null
thenewearth - play the damn game.

I thought you were gonna show at least a bit of interest

I've gotten kinda sidetracked with wayne. :/

Will look now.

[morph the cat]

Null
thenewearth - play the damn game.

I thought you were gonna show at least a bit of interest

All I see is a prod dodge.

And I've noted that you're calling him town for tone.

[morph the cat]

@morph:

so what's the results you got from this obvious as fuck reaction test? I know you mentioned at multiple points that you still haven't sorted my reaction, but I don't think you ever explicitly posted the conclusion? also, were there any reactions you were watching out for in advance?

I'm going to let Cabd answer your question about his conclusions from the reaction test. My own thoughts were that on balance your reaction was null to null-town.

Directionally, you (once again...) should be able to tell what our conclusions were based on where you are in our reads list. I had you at null, and Cabd talked me into null-town with some footnotes.

also, I've you asked a total of one question that you claimed you answered already. so why is it suddenly "most" of them?

One question where I snapped at you. Not the first question I thought earlier posts would have answered if you gave it some thought.

But, I think I've figured out part of why your questions have made me irritable. I don't always want other players to know what I'm thinking about them, and sometimes your attempts to get me to make explicit what is implicit have run against my intent.

[morph the cat]

Mac, well before this point in the xenogears game, I had more than enough data from your posts to form a strong read. That's been my concern. Your posts prior to today weren't giving me enough data to form a strong read.

I'll have a look at your question on page 30 now.

[morph the cat]

pie displayed some fairly detailed knowledge of the LoTR game mechanics.

er btw this is wrong. he didn't display anything outside of what was probably a guess from reading the rules of the setup, and he was wrong about the mechanic for the most part.

i skimmed over the conversation earlier so i didn't notice it before, but yeah, this is plain wrong.

Then part of the basis for our read was wrong. I've been trying to make sense of his reaction to our vote ever since, so that actually kinda helps.

so do you have a conclusion to the gambit you pulled knowing that you were actually wrong in your assumptions about the mechanic?

Yeah I was leaving this for Cabd. pieguyn asked a similar question and I gave

my

answer in 881

[morph the cat]

Lean Town

Varsoon
mastin2
zMuffinMan
pieguyn

Null

thenewearth
Mac
Psychlone
waynegg
Ghostly Penguin

Leaning Scum

BROseidon
MafiaSSK
thezmon211

for someone that claims to be far more efficient at townhunting than scumhunting, you sure have a lot of null reads

You left out this part of my post:

Town
Holy shit I don't feel like putting any of you in this pile.

I'm somewhat alarmed that I don't have at least one strong town read.

However, based on this morning's content, it looks like that's about to change.

[morph the cat]

pie displayed some fairly detailed knowledge of the LoTR game mechanics.

er btw this is wrong. he didn't display anything outside of what was probably a guess from reading the rules of the setup, and he was wrong about the mechanic for the most part.

i skimmed over the conversation earlier so i didn't notice it before, but yeah, this is plain wrong.

Then part of the basis for our read was wrong. I've been trying to make sense of his reaction to our vote ever since, so that actually kinda helps.

so do you have a conclusion to the gambit you pulled knowing that you were actually wrong in your assumptions about the mechanic?

Yeah I was leaving this for Cabd. pieguyn asked a similar question and I gave

my

answer in 881

im asking about your results knowing that cabd was actually wrong about pie knowing about mechanics.

(also, pie calling it "obvious as fuck" yet constantly referring it, is extremely worrying)

We initially called it "obvious as fuck" and I think pie is using the term ironically (i.e., he disagrees that it was obvious as fuck).

Mac, to me, it's more about the reaction than whether the test had a perfectly sound basis. And the reaction itself has me a little conflicted. Cabd has more of a town sense because of pie's softclaim.

[morph the cat]

Fair enough. I do suppose lynching a lurker is a totally useful and totally informative lynch.

It is an informative lynch, since you're playing in a way that makes it impossible to guess your alignment.

[morph the cat]

VOTE: MafiaSSK

That might be L-2.

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VOTE: MafiaSSK

That might be L-2.

It is.

How do you currently feel about MafiaSSK?

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>>>Important: There are eyes and ears everywhere. Flavor Claim at your own risk in this game.<<<

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Fair enough. I do suppose lynching a lurker is a totally useful and totally informative lynch.

Useful in that someone who's not even trying to play will not affect the rest of our gameplays in future times, and informative in that we have a wagon to analyze.

So I agree with you.

How are you feeling about TNE's recent posts?

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Fair enough. I do suppose lynching a lurker is a totally useful and totally informative lynch.

Fair enough. I do suppose lynching a lurker is a totally useful and totally informative lynch.

Useful in that someone who's not even trying to play will not affect the rest of our gameplays in future times, and informative in that we have a wagon to analyze.

So I agree with you.

How are you feeling about TNE's recent posts?

How are you feeling about TNE's recent posts?

Better.

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Fair enough. I do suppose lynching a lurker is a totally useful and totally informative lynch.

Useful in that someone who's not even trying to play will not affect the rest of our gameplays in future times, and informative in that we have a wagon to analyze.

So I agree with you.

There are equally valid wagons to analyze where there's also content from that player to analyze as well. And votes from that player. My only vote so far has been my RVS vote, right? I give you less wagons to analyze of lower quality and when I'm gone the quality of the game won't increase by any significant margins because everyone will still be here.

Is this intentional play on your part?

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you can use the urls. Which is what I did for this reply:

ffery posts from Xenoblade for comparison to posts here
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=56&t=28572

767 some snarky

You call that snark?

This is snark.

So's this.

789 some self meta

That's not self meta. This is self meta.

802 snark

Once again, that's weaksauce as far as my snarkiness goes.

926 "the devil made me do it"

That's actually a pretty good example of something I wouldn't do the same way as town.

979 "look I'm so town with

experiential

meta

Oh look, experiential meta.

1256 a masterwork that could be hung along side Van Goghs and Eschers

Yeah that's wasn't bad as meta reads go, because it was true to svenskt's meta.

1262 to the tune of "Lean on Me", r.e. Nacho

And yeah, unfortunately, since I cooperate with Nacho as town, I have to cooperate with him as scum. That entire meta dance (where I was WKing a player who turned out to be town, and who was later lynched because of all the false associations I'd built up) was inspired and required because of meta research that I did in the HunterXHunterX game (I was town). Nacho dropped an obscure hint about an old game as his reason for sheeping Vi's vote on another player, and I went looking for it. Here and here.

1322 "I'm so stubborn"

That's nothing. THIS is stubborn.


And this is the piece de resistance, one of the longest and most self-absorbed self-meta treatises I've written at MS.


Except for the hunterxhunterx links, this is all from one game, which was probably equally frustating to me compared to the xenoblade game. It's a fair example of how town frustration manifests vs scum frustration.

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You're too complacent.

Should we actually play another game or two, maybe you'll have enough of a baseline.

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Indeed.

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I doubt Cabd is awake.

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SSK, got reads?

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I usually snort at daykill posts, but based on your softclaim, I'm inclined to believe that's a genuine kill.

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Also there's a 1 in 11 chance we're going to die too from that shot, so don't mind us, we're gonna post some reads and stuff in a hurry.

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Gonna quick throw my read changes in:

Mac - Town.
TNE - leaning town.
Slight niggle about Mastin for that claim demand given the caution in bork's post.
Kinda like GiF but he needs to step it up if he's town.

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Town

pieguyn - lol dayvig. Way he went about it is legit town thought process. No way there's a scumdayvig in a mini, anyways.
Mac - Ffery's read

Lean Town

Varsoon - I disgree with him on some stuff, but he's the towniest player in the list atm.
zMuffinMan - this is becoming a pattern. I'll like his entrance into games, get weirded out about some of his early posts and stances, and then work my way back toward a town read.
thenewearth - moved up from null
Psychlone - it worries me a lot that I don't have enough data to develop even a preliminary read. Much as I loved the hi guys case, it's worn off. I know Nacho's stolen laptop situation, but GiF get in here and talk. Step it the fuck up giffy.

Null

mastin2 - I think scum-mastin would actually work harder on mislynching me, because I don't think I get much more mislynchable than town-morph at this point in the morph-evolution. I like some of his reads, and like them some of them more than I originally did. Claim demand from SSK seemed weird.
waynegg - I don't know how Cabd feels but I've come back to what seems to be my usual take when I read waynegg's posts - intentionally chaotic and abrasive, reaction seeking, and ultimately not all that effective. Some sort of order usually emerges, and he does a fair job of interacting with his town reads later on. I'm watching for signs of that happening.
Ghostly Penguin - Not as much content mixed in with the invective as I'm used to seeing. IIRC we got off to a rocky start in the Diner game but eventually our reads and stances were pretty synchronous. Waiting to see if that happens here.

Leaning Scum

BROseidon - there's a huge reads/reactions disconnect here that I'm not used to seeing when we're both town. Xenogears being a counter-example. I feel like we occasionally come close to the same page on a player or post and then it falls apart again. I'm worried this means scum-BRO.
MafiaSSK - sorry, mastin. I still have somewhat but not entirely meta-based concerns here.
thezmon211 - the back and forth between him and waynegg has me leaning scum, mostly because his arguments have been as much about discrediting waynegg as about rebutting the substance. I know that a word choice based case isn't easy to refute. In fact BRO tried to spin such a case on me in xenogears, and my reaction was to laugh it off because fuck no I was town.

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^updated

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We only had a few minutes to make the changes we felt the most important. Sue us. Like I said, there's a 1 in 11 chance we're dead when SSK dies, if that shot was real.

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Town

pieguyn - lol dayvig. Way he went about it is legit town thought process. No way there's a scumdayvig in a mini, anyways.
Mac - Ffery's read

Lean Town

Varsoon - I disgree with him on some stuff, but he's the towniest player in the list atm.
zMuffinMan - this is becoming a pattern. I'll like his entrance into games, get weirded out about some of his early posts and stances, and then work my way back toward a town read.
thenewearth - moved up from null
Psychlone - it worries me a lot that I don't have enough data to develop even a preliminary read. Much as I loved the hi guys case, it's worn off. I know Nacho's stolen laptop situation, but GiF get in here and talk. Step it the fuck up giffy.

Null

mastin2 - I think scum-mastin would actually work harder on mislynching me, because I don't think I get much more mislynchable than town-morph at this point in the morph-evolution. I like some of his reads, and like them some of them more than I originally did. Claim demand from SSK seemed weird.
waynegg - I don't know how Cabd feels but I've come back to what seems to be my usual take when I read waynegg's posts - intentionally chaotic and abrasive, reaction seeking, and ultimately not all that effective. Some sort of order usually emerges, and he does a fair job of interacting with his town reads later on. I'm watching for signs of that happening.
Ghostly Penguin - Not as much content mixed in with the invective as I'm used to seeing. IIRC we got off to a rocky start in the Diner game but eventually our reads and stances were pretty synchronous. Waiting to see if that happens here.

Leaning Scum

BROseidon - there's a huge reads/reactions disconnect here that I'm not used to seeing when we're both town. Xenogears being a counter-example. I feel like we occasionally come close to the same page on a player or post and then it falls apart again. I'm worried this means scum-BRO.
MafiaSSK - sorry, mastin. I still have somewhat but not entirely meta-based concerns here.
thezmon211 - the back and forth between him and waynegg has me leaning scum, mostly because his arguments have been as much about discrediting waynegg as about rebutting the substance. I know that a word choice based case isn't easy to refute. In fact BRO tried to spin such a case on me in xenogears, and my reaction was to laugh it off because fuck no I was town.

I'm not exactly liking this reads list, by the way. It's changed, but basically only in the top half. The bottom half seems to be stagnant.

I'd like to move thezmon up, but I don't really feel like I can justify it beyond "gut" right now, and I worry gut may be driven in part by "If wayne's crazylogic is bad on me maybe it's bad on thez too", though his cases have next to nothing in common. Credit where credit due, he was correct about Tiphaine in xenoblade, though I never saw anything comparative done to see if Tiphine's word choices were significantly different from when under pressure as town.

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And almost the whole scum team in Gear. Don't forget that.

I'm calling out the tiphaine read specifically because the basis of your thezmon read looks similar. If you used that lie-speak analysis or whatever you call it in xenogears, I missed it.

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I'll take your word for it.

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Mastin, I'm kinda surprised. I figured you'd be interested in getting potentially last will and testament stuff from us just in case that shot was real.

I'll be back in about an hour. I think Cabd will be around to discuss our music preferences for last rites and stuff.

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And you don't want to engage us on them/reason them out.... why, exactly?

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Lol. Ok then.

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Hey piiiiiiiiiie, you got some splaining to do.

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and yeah, I still have to use my shot on D1 or else I lose it. the only fake part was shooting in thread

You shouldn't have said this part.