Micro 256 ~ Bailey and Hunt's time is over. (Mafia Wins)

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/confirm

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Bazinga!!!

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hi guys!

whats going on

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desp, penny and squirrel all town

@ squirrel

lynching is the most powerful tool town has against no way are we giving that up.

also I have played and won this set-up twice before, do you want to hear my plan?

eta: xposts with desp

yeah I see. I think your right non that rat thing being scum and it looks like arc is his scummate what say you

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also who the fuck is dc

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What do you mean, explain to me your scumhunting plan?

I'm going to hunt for scum. You've suggested we NL until LYLO so we have maximum information, as if nothing happens during the day that would constitute information.

I think you are severely overestimating how much we will actually be able to cull if we can even get a full and accurate set of night actions for each slot. How are you going to tell the difference between scum claiming their kill, a CPR doctor claiming a non-targeted player, and the Quack?

what we did both times before was every1 agreed to target the person above or below them. it is easy to keep up with and that way you can determine what kind of doc abilities people have.

and just in case the nurse is a derp; don't claim obviously until d2 or d3.

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what we did both times before was every1 agreed to target the person above or below them. it is easy to keep up with and that way you can determine what kind of doc abilities people have.

and just in case the nurse is a derp; don't claim obviously until d2 or d3.

So you left the up or down aspect up to player's call prior to night and then asked for clarification afterwards?

nope. in the first game I think we targeted the person above them and in the second we targeted the person below I think.

lol, here is the last 1 I played. I forgot about the shit show on d1 and that I told my hydra partner bert that I didn't like him omg I am such a bitch. sorry bert!

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=83&t=31352

the other 1 was last year and I will have to dig for it. I don't really feel like doing it right now.

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Micro 112

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=84&t=25233

I just read it. The plan was target the person below. Town-Mollie didn't follow the plan because she "had a feeling" she wasn't a killing doc. Town won on D2.

That appears to be the most efficient way to do this, though--with the addendum that anyone who openly defies the plan should be lynched.

I say we go above.

I thought N and ohm were going to kill me. did we really win on d2? I just remember us talking an awful lot.

every1 targets the person above them. agreed? I will target that rat thing unless he gets lynched today then I will target jacob.

now back to scumhunting....

VOTE: rat thing

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yeah I totally didn't get that post and would not cry to see him go. is he really saying he is not sure if the plan will work when we have evidence itt that it does? other doctor on him? wat?

mebbe its rat thing and tso

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VOTE: T S O

you on for the plan jacob?

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arc are you on for the plan?

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...the point is that the more people claim Doctor, the more scum have their Nurse targets narrowed down. Since presumably the Nurse is the only one who will know what type of doc they are by the end of Night One.

right now anyone of us could be Nurse. Scum don't know that.. I would like to keep that in that way..
the less we talk about nurse, the better it is... I just hope "doctors" wont kill nurse in the night..


Bazinga.. You have my attention.. What is the plan?

every1 targets the person above them except for us, we are going to target the last person which is rat thing unless he gets lynched or jacob

whoops

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yeah I totally didn't get that post and would not cry to see him go. is he really saying he is not sure if the plan will work when we have evidence itt that it does? other doctor on him? wat?

mebbe its rat thing and tso

guess who just tried to take the low-hanging fruit? You and Jacob, especially you.

I'm obviously not so bad I'd claim real Doctor. The whole post was obviously bullshit.

You then tried to garner support for a wagon while not voting.

Vote: bazinga

nobody knows what kind of doctor they are you dummy so there is no "claiming real doc"

if you were town you would know that

what is funny is that I had majiffy on the ropes in the first game but let him go for *reasons* for making a similar mistake

not gonna do it this time

VOTE: tso

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what's the benefits of that plan, other than telegraphing what we're doing to scum?

PEdit: no I came in intentionally stupid, but still Town. Why would you auto-lynch a claimed real Doc?

the benefits of the plan are that it wins games

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nobody knows what kind of doctor they are you dummy so there is no "claiming real doc"

if you were town you would know that

You think Rational's lack of setup comprehension is different? I ask because I'd like to understand why you're full on torpedo on one, and didn't really even comment on the other.

*le sigh*

did you miss where I said I think they are both scum? my vote was on rat thing.

I don't like rat thing's rolefishing i.e. "hey teh nurse shld out & we will sheep them!" post and the both of them look like pondscum at this point. do you disagree?

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hey squirrelly girl where did you go

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Bazinga, not my question. My question is cute. Like Monkey Joe.

I don't even understand what you are saying here.

also why did you demand that I answer your question exactly 1 minute after you asked it as if I was ignoring it.

I don't think you are scummy I am just trying to orient on what you thought processes are cos that was a bit confusing.

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I can't tell if that rat thing is retarded or scum

can some1 halp

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convince me

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1. I think saying our vote on tso is forced sounds pretty forced. there was a logical progression in our read in that he did not seem to get the set up. same thing I called majiffy out the first time I played this set up. why are you ignoring this?
2. I am entertaining the idea that the rat thing is trolling for reactions. if he is scum it will be hard to keep up after the delivery of night actions. also, see point number 1.
3. I like marvel but I don't read all of their comics. we cannot be friends cos the stuff you are referencing is lost on me.
4. mebbe cos of what you posted?

are you seriously trying to paint us as scum? lol

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1. No, I feel I understand that. My issue is it didn't come up the same way with Rational who, functionally, did the same thing, and I'm asking you why that is.
2. TSO has openly claimed he was trolling for reactions - why are you not giving him the same benefit of the doubt?
3. It happens. Monkey Joe still likes you though.
4. Where I was talking to Desperado and didn't make any issue with your reply turnaround time, and if I had I would have sounded insane.

I do have a paint roller, and the color appears to match your eyes. So, yeah, I'm willing to shellack on a few coats and see what happens.

Vote: Bazinga

For paint!

jesus christ are you the same derp mala and I had to deal with in 1 of maestro's epic mafia games? it was a micro and it was dreadful.

are you and that rat thing from em? cos that changes things for me.

I don't click with the players who come from there very often but sometimes I do.

I find it weird that you are so hyperfocused on us but ignoring the scumtitude in the game.

like, what is your own opinion about rat thing and tso

I find it weird that you have not offered that. at all

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there is a question for you

answer it

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VOTE: that squirrel crap

until she does

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Hey strangers - I'm Bert! Look forward to catching up and playing with y'all.

- Bert

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there is a question for you

answer it

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 7#p5443877
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 6#p5444576


What else scummy am I doing?

I am not sure why you linked that cos it wasn't the question you dummy

jesus christ I fucking

bolded

it for you how much simpler can I make it

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You could just learn to be less rude and not demand a question be answered when you asked ten of them.

I only asked 1 in bold

this isn't hard

I didn't ask 10 questions

and you were rude first so oh hai don't be a crybaby at the reaction

town read has plummeted.

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the laughing smilie was meant for ridicule, no?

I said the bolded 1. where I did not ask if you were scum (I don't even think that is what I said) but asked if you were from em.

cos it changes things

<--- do you see this bolded now? plz answer so I know that you have at least an elementary comprehension of the written word or at least the subtleties like bolding and italics.

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I was laughing because you said I hadn't given reads when I had. I wasn't sure what else to do to respond to that sort of accusation. Was I supposed to just call you names and move on? I laughed because that was my reaction in real life. If that equates to an equal reaction to what you said to me later...I dunno, I guess we just have different opinions of equal reactions there. I stand by the comment that you are rude, I think you are and I think you drastically elevated from what I did even if you did think the laugh smilie was to cause offense.

I do believe I have already answered that I was an alt and indicated lack of a desire to be meta read. That attitude has not changed. I'm not sure what more you expect on that front, I see no reason why my stance would have changed. The entire point of a hidden alt is to move away from past meta, so clearly I have little desire to help you meta me.

I asked you for your reads on rat thing and tso.

I do not get firm stances from what you have posted on those 2 players.

my question is a yes or no question and it isn't for meta purposes. I have never played on em.

em players are for me something I don't want to deal with cos of the frustration level that goes along with it.

so if you are plz tell me now and I will respectfully bow out of this game.

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some people just start off really dumb. they have the potential to wise up as the game progresses with new info. fresh faced em players don't, they have a ridiculous overestimation of their skill level and they do incredibly dumb things like ignore a viable game-winning strategy and try to lynch the person who suggested it.

that is why they are not fun to play with.

don't get me wrong there are some fantastic em players, empire, molla, anka are just a few there are many more. <---- what makes them great is the flexibility of their thought processes and they are able to follow logic.

so since you refuse to answer my question I will show you the same courtesy and support any other player who does it.

are you going to provide evidence of my scumminess? or are you just going to continue to derp and miss the beautiful opportunity to lynch 1 of the 2 players who do not want town to get organised? <------ that is an authentic scumtell btw, scum hate it when town get organised and do their best to try to disperse the town herd and they rely on VI's to help them do that.

so are you a VI? if not then why are you helping them?

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I called you scummy for

hypocrisy

. That's my evidence and I pointed it out in how you reacted differently to Rational and TSO. I also think you're only starting to talk up Rational scum again now that I've pointed it out.
You also continue to be pretty rude.

I don't quite think you understand what that word means since contextually you are misapplying it.

rat thing and tso are 2 different players. responses to them will be different cos...they are 2 different players.

this is like trying to explain the colour green.

having said that

your evidence was refuted when it was pointed out by 2 people that I was voting rat thing at the time I switched my vote to tso. <---- I am good with lynching either 1 but I am giving rat thing a bit of room cos he might just be trolling. <---- I also believe I already explained this.

if you don't want me to treat you like a dummy then stop acting like 1. set your emotions aside and look at the game objectively and then ask yourself "should I follow a strategy that has been proven to work?" and then play towards your wc not scum's.

@ penny & desp

is she derp town or scum? I genuinely can't tell.

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where did either of them admit to trolling. I am *guessing* that rat thing is

and since you are making a thing of it where did tso admit to trolling before I voted him?

jesus fucking christ

eat: can I just troll squirrel girl out of the game

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I hope the person below us is a vig.

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@ squirrelly girl

you wanted a no-lynch at the start of the game

and never volunteered an authentic progression as to why you suddenly want to lynch somebody

lets start here

start answering my damn questions

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I was ninja-ed by penny. the person below us targets us.

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1 post and I'm being anti-town and deserve an auto-lynch. 1 post.

I'm starting to think Desp is scum because he knows how I play and he wouldn't auto-lynch me as Town.

what do you have to offer other than a narcissistic view of the game

and why is your vote still on us

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and I say no

unless you are his scumbuddy

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So now we're actually having to play the game of sorting through annoying play to try to figure out scum and town tells underneath? This is silly. Bazinga needs to learn how to post twice in a row without insulting someone and you shouldn't sign up for games just to troll them and ruin people's fun.

and you need to stfu and get off your fucking high horse and acknowledge you fucking suck at this game.

like you are genuinely horrible, don't know what you are doing and should stop pretending otherwise.

penny there is no fucking way that anybody can be this stupid

eta: really? you don't think he is just trolling?

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its sakura hana isn't it

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and you need to stfu and get off your fucking high horse and acknowledge you fucking suck at this game.

like you are genuinely horrible, don't know what you are doing and should stop pretending otherwise.

penny there is no fucking way that anybody can be this stupid

*Be nice, civil and play to win. Play to your wincondition. Have fun. Remember this important quote when playing. “Do unto others as you would have others do unto you. [Matthew 7:12]”

Tell you what, you quote me where I said I'm great at the game, or where I said I didn't need anyone else's opinion and I'll sheep you for the rest of the game and post no comments.
But otherwise you are being really obnoxious, and I want you to stop it because it's not what I'm here for.

I don't have to quote you.

it is right there in your posts.

1. you ignore your misapplication of hypocrisy
2. you ignore other people's read's on us
3. you ignore our very real reach out to you
4. you ignore a strategy that has been proven successful
5. you ignore basic game theory where no scum in their right mind would suggest a strategy that has proven successful with a player base who is unfamiliar with it.
6. you have misrepped me hardcore to the point I don't give a damn

I think you are the 1 who is being obnoxious and I want

you

to stop. you started this shit with your misrep and now are uncomfortable with the result <---- not my problem.

sakura, (cos I am pretty sure it is you) you need to back off and get a grip. cos you are heading down the road of turning into exactly what you say that you don't like.

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no sakura

you don't get off that easy.

your slot is valuable if it is town. self-voting is emo bullshit and you know it

and in all of our exchanges I have never called you scummy, I did ask desp and penny if you were either derp town or scum before I thought you were sakura tho.

I have fun when I am playing with fun players. this list is good.

get your head out of your bum and help out okay? I am not freaking scum

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rat thing what are your reads

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Despo (that's typical town him)
Bazinga (its town mollie )

Elaborate more please! Also what do you think of Jacob?

Anyone not voting Rational Madman, I want to know why.

Why should others be voting Rat?

nurse can lead and maf cba to kill nurse.

No more trolling please. <3

How about this, everyone lynches me, targets up, and then I don't need to listen to Bazinga anymore. Win/win.

remove the self-vote please and thank you <3 Also what are your reads at this point?

- Bert

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It's the pointy finger guy and arcanagel for suuuuuuuure

reasons?

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They are coasting and just pausing as if to think 'who can I vote that will be least angry with me for doing so' rather than scumhunting.

What do you think of Desperado? And why

Based on who dies we can figure out who of the living is which doctor, and we'll know who any dead doctors targeted.

What do you mean? I'm confused

VOTE: T S O

I have no problem with your vote, but why did you vote T S O?

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bazinga, isn't the point that if everyone follows the plan, all town player's targets will be known? Anyone town who dies, we know who they targeted; anyone who dies, we can work on figuring out why depending on other flips.

I think it is safe to say that bert may not understand the plan or something.

but yeah that is the point

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kay I'm stopping in start of page 8. what I have to say is this:
if each of us targets the one above them, that means that quack doc and CPR doc are 100% killing. in such a case, 2 kills will surely happen. mafia can theoretically stop one if they target the CPR's target, but meh.

this means that mathematically, we have good chance of hitting at least one scum. the bad thing is these chances aren't that good, so we also ahve good chances of losing three peeps in N1.

what do you think about we go through this day and pic two most scummy targets, and then, half targets one and half targets the other? or 3-3-3?

nope, it defeats the purpose. I would rather stick with something that has worked before.

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kay I'm stopping in start of page 8. what I have to say is this:
if each of us targets the one above them, that means that quack doc and CPR doc are 100% killing. in such a case, 2 kills will surely happen. mafia can theoretically stop one if they target the CPR's target, but meh.

this means that mathematically, we have good chance of hitting at least one scum. the bad thing is these chances aren't that good, so we also ahve good chances of losing three peeps in N1.

what do you think about we go through this day and pic two most scummy targets, and then, half targets one and half targets the other? or 3-3-3?

nope, it defeats the purpose. I would rather stick with something that has worked before.

it worked by luck, and only by luck. if you give me any scenario where, without being lucky, you get any information from doing that, I'll give you a cookie.

I did you give you a scenario.

in the very first link I posted.

that you apparently somehow missed. you do realise I was in both games right? mebbe you should see wtf I am talking about.

in the first game that I linked, we caught scum out cos scum did exactly what both tso and rat thing did; they stumbled when talking about the role pm. I think in the game I linked the caughtscum tried to say he was reaction testing lololol. I am good with either of tso or rat thing's lynch for that reason.

I think it was 3 town down on d2. by poe, we were able to narrow down what kind of doc the remaining players were.

n2 2 more town down

d3 was lylo and scum were caught by simple poe. town win \o/

and just a thought, mebbe you should how the game played out before for jumping to an erroneous conclusion backed by insufficient information.

I now want my cookie.

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the link has already been provided itt as has been mentioned like 4 times

do your own legwork

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IMO we lynch RM; and then split 4-4 on two people, or split 3-3-2 on three, which, I think is better. but who would they be.

err... reasons for lynching RM? Other than for being a troll

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I cannot imagine how anyone thinks he should be trusted or is town, and with the way Bazinga shied off voting him considering her tell I'm pretty content to vote her. If he is scum, please, please, please lynch Bazinga tomorrow if I'm not around.

I'm the one that has been hesitant about RationalMadman, not mollie, in case my posts aren't discernable from hers.

Who have we shied off voting? TSO? I'm not even sure that tell was a legit scumslip, but I'd wager that it is. Considering TSO's play post-slip, I'd think yes scum. I'm twiddling my thumbs, getting my feet wet on D1 and until near deadline, new discussions can continue to commence for me <3

unvote

- Bert

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I DON'T KNOW I CAN'T THINK

best quote ever

jacob is town

rat thing seems like he has been claiming nurse all game. we don't know what to do with him.

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lol des, you're not making any sense.
the 'plan' worked twice? no. thw town won twice. in both games, there was not a slight relation between the win and the plan. in one game, town *lynched* scum D1; and then the 'plan' managed to kill all townies to get town to 3p lylo, in which they made the right decision to lynch, and that decision was not based on night actions at all.

the other game was once again - luck. 1 scum was vigged - 7/16 chance that happening - and the other just claimed scum ingame. the 'plan' has nothing to do with the win. random lynching would be just as good, you know.

Des and bazinga are insistent on letting RM slide and I don't understand why. I also don't understand what makes Des think I am scum, which kinda makes me omgus him.

I have no freaking idea how you can say that etl's game was not won by poe due to every1 being accountable to who they targeted and eliminating wifom as to who did what.

like it fucking boggles the mind.

you are seriously working to try to discredit a viable strategy cos of reaching reasons.

you put rat thing to L-1 while mewling about how we need to agree on a plan for night actions. I have been trying to give you space but you are making it really really hard. we are targeting the person above us. it seems like you do not want us to set up town for a protown endgame scenario.

goddammit penny get your ass in here asap plz

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At bazynga319: get oit of the tunnel, will ya?
If you can link me to a post that shows they knew who was which doc and poed, ill look into it. I searched, coupdnt find one. Did the legwork already.

why would I link you to a post in a game that you have clearly have not read but claim to have done so?

on d2 we had the doc/vig narrowed down and the nurse outed and we even had what kind of doc the nurse took over. in lylo all roles were established (we were the doc/vig) and we won.

but yeah, carry on with your bs and say it didn't work and that it was by chance.

VOTE: shos

you claim to have read a game when you clearly haven't.

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You called?

shos, the problem with dividing things up 3/3/2 is that it makes it even harder to figure out what roles had what consequences.

RationalMadman still looks like scum who didn't familiarize himself with the game set-up, screwed up early, and is trying to convince us otherwise. TSO would be my other choice to lynch, but RM trying to out the nurse is just lousy.

One clarification on your plan, bazinga: I assume that in the event we mislynch and hit a non-Naive Doctor, the nurse is free to target at his own discretion?

we stuck with the strat til the end and it worked for us. it really depends on how firm of a grasp the person who gets the role has on the game.

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we targeted caled too, just like we said we would. we targeted myko the night before. we were still sticking with the go with the person below you, since taking care of that slot would solve who was scum's nk and remove wifom. it was bulba. you didn't nk caled we did.

VOTE: feirei

daniel it is up to you but it should be obvious. we can make some salient points tho.

I guess you missed this post when you read the final day huh. :/

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That is plain wrong logic, lol. In a 1v1, one says they killed x, then the other says "no! *i* killed x!".

The proof lies in the post after the hammer. The hammerer did not know if he was right. He said 'sorry if im wrong'.

Meaning that, again, town won with luck. Scum wasnt even there to fight, lol.

the logic is not wrong and trying to claim "that the proof lies in the post after the hammer" is disingenuous and slimy since brian was a newb and didn't know how to piece it together.

no way could feirei counterclaim after agreeing to go with the strat.

but hey, keep trying to push your scummy little agenda it makes my job easier.

you are not interested in seeing what works, you are only interested in confusing town and dividing it. you aren't trying to weave town together you are only interested in that things go your own way when confronted with a strat THAT WORKED. NOT ONCE BUT TWICE. the strat is a tool it is not gamebreaking or this set-up design would not even be allowed to be used.

you wanting to discard a really good tool cos of...whatever dumb reasons you come up with shows an agenda laced with the underpinings that your wc is not town.

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Of ciurse im scum, cuz my claims are bad because obviously i know allthe playwrs and who was a newb in which game. Are you serious?

OMG I WON THELOTTERY BY GUESSING 1,2,34,5,6,7 THAT MEANS I CAN GUESS IT AGAIN AND WIN YAY

You are the only one here, correct me if im wrong, who still supports your strategy. Think.

^ flail

reads like scum flail to me.

and I think you are wrong.

eta: lol