Mini 1525: Tales of The Abyss Mafia GAME OVER!

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #140 (isolation #0) » Tue Dec 03, 2013 7:28 am

Let's lynch Tammy.

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #141 (isolation #1) » Tue Dec 03, 2013 7:31 am

VOTE: Tammy

Sakura let me get a bunch of town cred from lynching Tammy scum and THEN we can dance.

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #142 (isolation #2) » Tue Dec 03, 2013 7:50 am

In post 17, Tammy wrote:Ha!

I'm town
I rule, you drool.

VOTE: nacho

Bring the good stuff!

But seriously, next time you roll scum against me, don't have such a mechanical, robotic opening. Like, I can see what you were getting at:

Expression joy at rolling town.

Declaration of being town.
Classic Tammy shit talking.

Vote someone you're familiar with.

But the actual execution saw your joy as extraordinarily short-lived and easily fakeable, the declaration of being town similar and spoken without CONVICTION, and the shittalking sorely lacking.

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #145 (isolation #3) » Tue Dec 03, 2013 8:43 am

i appreciated the joke, at least.

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #146 (isolation #4) » Tue Dec 03, 2013 8:45 am

Unvote

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #148 (isolation #5) » Tue Dec 03, 2013 8:49 am

In post 64, Ms Marangal wrote:Tammy-town?

Why? You didn't get the joke and there was nothing else in that singular post of hers.

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #149 (isolation #6) » Tue Dec 03, 2013 8:51 am

In post 147, Tammy wrote:Did you really think I was scum? I thought if you were trolling me you'd keep it up.

It was your not clearly town opening, so I figured I'd push it a bit to speed along the sorting process.

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #150 (isolation #7) » Tue Dec 03, 2013 8:51 am

In post 64, Ms Marangal wrote:Hi, Ffery who's you're partner?

i know this was a joke (probably) but you were voting fuzzy here?

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #151 (isolation #8) » Tue Dec 03, 2013 8:52 am

In post 70, ProHawk wrote:
In post 49, Kazekirimaru wrote:He agreed his role was blue and the townie role isn't blue.
I already said this guy was scum... Kaze, for the record, you are completely off.

this lacks conviction.

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #152 (isolation #9) » Tue Dec 03, 2013 8:54 am

In post 98, pitoli wrote:Because it's totally possible someone wouldn't have thought "blue townie" was a literal description of the PM sitting in their inbox. I for one thought you were speaking figuratively so it's weird to me that you would jump on that and assume scum would try to be "in" on a role PM that could be easily verified by the OP.

pitoli town

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #153 (isolation #10) » Tue Dec 03, 2013 8:57 am

TOWN:
pitoli
Nachomamma8
Tammy
Deacon Blues
Minami no Hana
TheFuzzylogic99
Mac
Kazekirimaru

NOT THAT TOWN:
orcinus_theoriginal
Ms Marangal
The Rufflig
MafiaSSK

SCUM:
ProHawk

I also didn't like orc's "oh ffery I don't want to think you're manipulating me" or some crap like that, but I can't read orc worth a crap so take that with several grains of salt.

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #154 (isolation #11) » Tue Dec 03, 2013 8:57 am

Vote: ProHawk

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #156 (isolation #12) » Tue Dec 03, 2013 9:09 am

Then bork's having a good game!

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #159 (isolation #13) » Tue Dec 03, 2013 9:29 am

In post 157, Kazekirimaru wrote:Orcinus is town, Nacho.

Don't see why pitoli is gathering townreads. Mind explaining yours? Help me out.

I quoted what she said that looked town.

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #161 (isolation #14) » Tue Dec 03, 2013 9:58 am

I know.

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #162 (isolation #15) » Tue Dec 03, 2013 9:59 am

Can you vote hawk with me until you find a better scumread?

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #166 (isolation #16) » Tue Dec 03, 2013 10:13 am

Vote him; you'll find out soon enough.

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #251 (isolation #17) » Wed Dec 04, 2013 11:18 am

In post 167, Kazekirimaru wrote:
In post 159, Nachomamma8 wrote:
In post 157, Kazekirimaru wrote:Orcinus is town, Nacho.

Don't see why pitoli is gathering townreads. Mind explaining yours? Help me out.
I quoted what she said that looked town.
That's enough for you, then? Alrighty.

It's enough for me for now. What are your reads looking like?

In post 174, ProHawk wrote:Hey guys. I will get to who the scum on my wagon is later. Have an exam tomorrow. Although gut says The Rufflig and Tammy.

VOTE: Tammy

THIS is your reaction to the flashwagon on you? No diatribes on why everyone sheeping me is a bad idea and shows incredible scum motivation, no rage and anger on how you can't believe that the town is this lazy and horrible? And hell, even lacking that, no analysis and instead easy obvious scumreads? Come on, hawkie. You're a much better player than this.

In post 183, Deacon Blues wrote:Hey Nacho, what is this about?

Gut is king. Why did you ruin the wagon? Were you afraid of someone quickhammering?

In post 186, Deacon Blues wrote:I think ffery and I both reflect this opinion right now.

If ffery declares prohawk town based on wagon speed and doesn't attempt to analyze the bullshit reaction, I will be extremely unhappy.

In post 212, Tammy wrote:Actually

VOTE: the rufflig

That was quite possibly the most horrible hop on my wagon you could have thought of.

OMGUS.
Glad you found a scumread though!

In post 223, Deacon Blues wrote:Prohawk,

Why so terse?

ffery i love you, I really do.

In post 231, pitoli wrote:
In post 166, Nachomamma8 wrote:Vote him; you'll find out soon enough.
Still waiting to be enlightened. Were you expecting the wagon?

I kinda like Tammy but it's more of a gut thing

yeah sort of
i wasn't expecting that shit reaction, though.

In post 240, Minami no Hana wrote:Kazekirimaru<Deacon Blues<orcinus_theoriginal<TheFuzzylogic99<Nachomamma8<Tammy<MafiaSSK<pitoli<Mac<ProHawk<Ms Marangal<The Rufflig

Mac and Tammy reads are absolutely horrible.

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #252 (isolation #18) » Wed Dec 04, 2013 11:18 am

Rufflig scum is entirely possible, but I find him an easy early wagon. Let's continue killing prohawk!

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #253 (isolation #19) » Wed Dec 04, 2013 11:19 am

But jesus fucking christ GiF those Mac and Tammy reads suck.

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #255 (isolation #20) » Wed Dec 04, 2013 11:23 am

no they're literally horrible

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #256 (isolation #21) » Wed Dec 04, 2013 11:23 am

idc how strong or weak the difference is they're just bad
i'm having fucking convulsions right now

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #257 (isolation #22) » Wed Dec 04, 2013 11:23 am

just AAAAAAAa
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #260 (isolation #23) » Wed Dec 04, 2013 11:37 am

that's a little better except orc might be placed a little high but no complaints

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #264 (isolation #24) » Wed Dec 04, 2013 11:43 am

I'll do my best to get killed N1 then!

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #267 (isolation #25) » Wed Dec 04, 2013 11:56 am

In post 265, Deacon Blues wrote:(I'm trying not to be butthurt that you think it's ok if I were to do it)

you better be butthurt

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #268 (isolation #26) » Wed Dec 04, 2013 11:57 am

In post 265, Deacon Blues wrote:the speed of the wagon (up to L-1 at that) seems like something that would likely be done to town. That's the only point I was trying to emphasize. Neither of us have made any claim that we're going to ignore what ProHawk does in response. We on the same page?

we are on the same page now

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #269 (isolation #27) » Wed Dec 04, 2013 11:57 am

In post 266, Tammy wrote:But how will I know who scum are if you're not around to hold my hand?

Also, I know you claimed omgus on ot, but what do you think of my reasoning for rufflig scum?

Pedit: nacho

i dunno rufflig scum seems pretty likely but i always think rufflig scum

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #270 (isolation #28) » Wed Dec 04, 2013 11:58 am

and you'll know who the other scum are because i'll tell you before i'm killed, dear.

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #274 (isolation #29) » Wed Dec 04, 2013 12:03 pm

In post 271, Deacon Blues wrote:
In post 267, Nachomamma8 wrote:you better be butthurt
I am secretly hoping that you will someday see me as a player who at least once in a blue moon does competent things besides RAWRI'MTOWNTOWNTOWNTOWN

your RAWRI'MTOWNTOWNTOWNTOWNTOWN moments are usually moments where you have paranoid flashes, which don't make you any worse of a player
i do expect & ignore paranoid flashes when I see them though, just like I'll ignore Tammy after I lynch scum D1 and D2 and there are no kills N1 and N2 and she's like "Nacho I think you might be scum"

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #275 (isolation #30) » Wed Dec 04, 2013 12:03 pm

i do think you are a good player baby

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #282 (isolation #31) » Wed Dec 04, 2013 12:21 pm

Is orc town?

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #287 (isolation #32) » Wed Dec 04, 2013 12:38 pm

In post 284, Deacon Blues wrote:
In post 282, Nachomamma8 wrote:Is orc town?
flashes of paranoia about how easily he townread me. And the flashes of paranoia feel a little off. I feel like real paranoia would look more like that at-arms-length feel I had about him in the NY 165 game. He wasn't pushing me often, but he definitely wasn't buying my early reads wholesale.

these thoughts reflect my own.

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #288 (isolation #33) » Wed Dec 04, 2013 12:39 pm

In post 283, orcinus_theoriginal wrote:i'd offer to talk to nacho but i know that probably won't amount to anything

mac what's up

i was expecting another discredit regardless of your alignment, which is sort of sad.

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #298 (isolation #34) » Wed Dec 04, 2013 1:04 pm

In post 294, orcinus_theoriginal wrote:gee oh gee i wonder fucking why

Does it seem like I'm tunneling you?

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #301 (isolation #35) » Wed Dec 04, 2013 1:05 pm

In post 298, Nachomamma8 wrote:
In post 294, orcinus_theoriginal wrote:gee oh gee i wonder fucking why
Does it seem like I'm tunneling you?

Answer: No. Stop being emo, orc.

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #305 (isolation #36) » Wed Dec 04, 2013 1:18 pm

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #320 (isolation #37) » Wed Dec 04, 2013 1:55 pm

I like orc a little more!

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #324 (isolation #38) » Wed Dec 04, 2013 2:03 pm

I'm probably not reading you in the way you think I'm reading you, then.

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #325 (isolation #39) » Wed Dec 04, 2013 2:03 pm

Especially if it has anything to do with longass arguments.

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #337 (isolation #40) » Wed Dec 04, 2013 3:12 pm

No it wasn't.

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #340 (isolation #41) » Wed Dec 04, 2013 3:58 pm

In post 338, Tammy wrote:we'll see.

What do you think of my push on Prohawk?

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #342 (isolation #42) » Wed Dec 04, 2013 4:01 pm

because Mac and tammy are incredibly town

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #345 (isolation #43) » Wed Dec 04, 2013 4:04 pm

Let's talk Tammy first.

In post 143, Tammy wrote:I thought at first you were trolling me and it made me laugh as I thought it was super cute, though with this I think you might be serious, and if so you're clearly off your rocker and still have a few classes of training in the school o' reading Tammy.

Well yes, I declared I'm town because I'm duh town.

I wasn't shit talking. It's a joke and I'm not going to tell you why, but I was and still am highly amused by it. Maybe I'll let you in my secret circle, but I have to think you're town first, and while the trolling and silly push is a good start, you're not there yet.

I always vote someone I'm familiar with.

Bringing me good stuff does not include trying to lynch me. I can't even think of a title for how bad stuff it is. If you're trolling me then maybe it's the beginning of good stuff but that remains to be seen.

And if you're actually serious with that last stuff then you and me need to have a talk bucko. I am still amused by my joke, there's nothing mechanical about it. But hey, you want to see a Tammy town tell in the making? Check out the time stamp of that post. That's right, 6:10am. That means I woke up and immediately checked to see if this game was open so I could make a corny joke. If I somehow sound mechanical and I really don't know how I could, it's probably because I hadn't even been awake 5 minutes yet.

So, yeah, keep telling me how much I'm the scum I'm not.

Nothing in here look town to you?

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #346 (isolation #44) » Wed Dec 04, 2013 4:05 pm

Because if not, you don't know how to read Tammy and I'll probably be too drunk by the time I finish explaining her meta for you to completely understand it.

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #348 (isolation #45) » Wed Dec 04, 2013 4:12 pm

not in this case.
don't worry it really is that easy.

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #404 (isolation #46) » Thu Dec 05, 2013 6:51 am

In post 389, ProHawk wrote:I don't like his use of his "reknown" to get people to work with him.

This was the case before I reaffirmed my suspicion on you. Why wasn't I a suspect before that? What does this have to do with anything?

In post 389, ProHawk wrote:He is voting me on lack of conviction and a poor reaction to my being run up... ok.

And your response to that is OK...?

In post 389, ProHawk wrote:(My diatribes) were not what anyone in the games I had played in considered to be "good play".

Who gives a shit? Your reads were generally better than anyone else's. People understand that you're a generally competent player; I don't see why you would change your playstyle in an effort to spare our feelings.

In post 389, ProHawk wrote:Oh and Nacho, get over yourself. I have yet to see any game-changing moves from you. You are overrated.

Well there's no denying that! This vote is kind of objectively bad though :/

In post 397, ProHawk wrote:Why would town-nacho need to poison the well?

How am I poisoning a well by attacking you?

In post 400, The Rufflig wrote:My current thoughts on Prohawk: Unengaged with the game. Does not care if he is lynched or not. Pressure will not work on him. I do not expect any meaningful contributions from him. Null. (Although, if he's town and has no intention of playing, he really should do the honorable thing and replace out).

Could you get a better read on him?

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #405 (isolation #47) » Thu Dec 05, 2013 6:51 am

In post 389, ProHawk wrote:I don't like his use of his "reknown" to get people to work with him.

This was the case before I reaffirmed my suspicion on you. Why wasn't I a suspect before that? What does this have to do with anything?

In post 389, ProHawk wrote:He is voting me on lack of conviction and a poor reaction to my being run up... ok.

And your response to that is OK...?

In post 389, ProHawk wrote:(My diatribes) were not what anyone in the games I had played in considered to be "good play".

Who gives a shit? Your reads were generally better than anyone else's. People understand that you're a generally competent player; I don't see why you would change your playstyle in an effort to spare our feelings.

In post 389, ProHawk wrote:Oh and Nacho, get over yourself. I have yet to see any game-changing moves from you. You are overrated.

Well there's no denying that! This vote is kind of objectively bad though :/

In post 397, ProHawk wrote:Why would town-nacho need to poison the well?

How am I poisoning a well by attacking you?

In post 400, The Rufflig wrote:My current thoughts on Prohawk: Unengaged with the game. Does not care if he is lynched or not. Pressure will not work on him. I do not expect any meaningful contributions from him. Null. (Although, if he's town and has no intention of playing, he really should do the honorable thing and replace out).

Could you get a better read on him?

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #410 (isolation #48) » Thu Dec 05, 2013 7:49 am

In post 409, ProHawk wrote:You are trying to discredit me by implying my read on you is fabricated, when it isn't.

I think your read on me is fabricated because I think you are scum. That's fairly straightforward, isn't it? I don't know where discrediting came into the picture.

In post 409, ProHawk wrote:Who said you weren't a suspect before that?

The whole "I think Tammy and Rufflig are the scum on my wagon" implied that when I started the wagon on you in the first place. Why didn't you mention my name if I was a suspect?

In post 409, ProHawk wrote:Your final statement "You're a much better player than this" is showing that you think all of the things that I "am not doing" equates to good play. Therefore it should be clear that you feel like diatribes on people sheeping you/theory on scum sheeping/rage/anger about a lazy-horrible town all is good play.

MY POINT: I don't believe you believe any of that makes me town/is good play based on past experience with how you acted towards my town-play.

The GOOD things that you generally do is your analysis. Your diatribes are amusing, but they also reflect your commitment to a game that you feel frustrated with thanks to shitty town play. In this specific scenario, you were brought to L-1 because I had a gut scumread on you. That is absolute bullshit and should be something that bothers you especially since you're a little sensitive about things like that. When you came in the thread, you didn't miss a beat, and that felt very very wrong.

In post 409, ProHawk wrote:You aren't attacking things I have done so much as my character/play. When you say "I thought you were a better player than this" implies that I am a poor player. Which also implies that my reads/cases are poor and that people shouldn't listen to me. And then you re-iterate your point again:

As in I think your play this game is shit. My comments on your actual play were generally good reads, competent player, so unless we're in some crazy bullshit world I'm actually complimenting you, not discrediting you.

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #411 (isolation #49) » Thu Dec 05, 2013 7:53 am

In post 409, ProHawk wrote:MY POINT: I don't believe you believe any of that makes me town/is good play based on past experience with how you acted towards my town-play.

I appreciated your townplay every time I played with you. Xenologue is where I sort of freaked out on you when I thought you were being an idiot because I was knee-deep in KoolAid. I don't understand what your case on me is. I'm saying you're a good player when I don't actually think you're a good player? (Hint: If I thought you were a shit player, I would call you a shit player. I don't manipulate shitty players as scum because either they will vote town and not be a threat or they will vote scum and give an easy case to rebut). I'm discrediting you by saying "I thought you were a better player than this", by calling you

competent

?

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #413 (isolation #50) » Thu Dec 05, 2013 8:47 am

It's evolved past that by now.

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #416 (isolation #51) » Thu Dec 05, 2013 8:59 am

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #418 (isolation #52) » Thu Dec 05, 2013 9:03 am

I think you're pulling the plug too early.

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #419 (isolation #53) » Thu Dec 05, 2013 9:04 am

In post 413, Nachomamma8 wrote:It's evolved past that by now.

I was also expecting to get a response to this bit, Tammy.

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #420 (isolation #54) » Thu Dec 05, 2013 9:07 am

In post 418, Nachomamma8 wrote:I think you're pulling the plug too early.

Prohawk had some nice conviction in his push on me, but there are still a few weird bits, namely the whole discrediting him by complimenting him thing. Am I missing something with this? What would you sum up his case on me as?

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #425 (isolation #55) » Thu Dec 05, 2013 9:16 am

In post 421, Deacon Blues wrote:My approach to reading and working with ProHawk's been seriously influenced by your observations in the cash cabd game neighborhood. I feel like you're not walking your talk.

By pushing on him?

In post 422, Deacon Blues wrote:I felt like your reaction to that looked a little disingenuous.

My reaction to his attack on me? Why?

In post 423, Deacon Blues wrote:Why did you choose Tammy to push on in your opening post?

Because her opening post was boring, seemed overly terse. Thought I was sensing a bit of weakness, couldn't pass up the opportunity to catch Tammy-scum in one post and make up for chosen mafia. I did research into her other opening posts and everything!

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #426 (isolation #56) » Thu Dec 05, 2013 9:20 am

You are an extraordinarily slow typist, ffery. I feel like I'm playing chat mafia with you.

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #435 (isolation #57) » Thu Dec 05, 2013 9:34 am

IS THAT ALIGNMENT INDICATIVE OR ARE YOU JUST MESSING WITH ME
;[

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #437 (isolation #58) » Thu Dec 05, 2013 9:39 am

In post 427, Deacon Blues wrote:By failing at something you usually do so well - seeing how the reaction to your push could come from a town mindset.

I see how it comes from a town mindset, but I also see how it could come from a scum mindset. I'm sure you can see both sides easily, and I'm sure you wouldn't mind firming up your read on ProHawk a little more. If you have a solid townread on him at the moment, then you're underestimating him quite a bit.

In post 427, Deacon Blues wrote:bork and I both thought this was bad, because your attack had a huge BoP component.

I still don't understand how I was poisoning the well.

In post 433, Deacon Blues wrote:
In post 148, Nachomamma8 wrote:
In post 64, Ms Marangal wrote:Tammy-town?
Why? You didn't get the joke and there was nothing else in that singular post of hers.
This post doesn't really feel like your usual inquisitiveness.

I have no idea how to respond to this. I briefly considered squiggles, but then decided that wouldn't get us anywhere.

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #439 (isolation #59) » Thu Dec 05, 2013 9:49 am

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #445 (isolation #60) » Thu Dec 05, 2013 9:59 am

In post 440, Deacon Blues wrote:re: the underlined: seems to be that you're arguing that it necessarily (or at least really likely) is coming from a scum mindset; how would town prohawk respond differently to pressure, then?

ProHawk would immediately go after me for being antitown as hell with my big wagons without any debate. A wagon forming in the way that it did means that there's no real way to distinguish between town or scum jumping on the wagon; Prohawk would be likely to express that as well. I didn't like the ease that he picked two names to be scum from the wagon with (considering the wagon gave no information whatsoever based on who jumped on it), and I didn't like I wasn't named in his suspects until I reaffirmed my push on him. Timing was late.

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #450 (isolation #61) » Thu Dec 05, 2013 10:04 am

In post 441, Deacon Blues wrote:This was like a one paragraph distillation of 2 pages or so worth of walling that you and I did in GiF's micro while you tried to sort me.

I am sorting Prohawk in a different way than I would sort you because you are two different players. Optimal way to sort me is generally firing me up by telling me that I'm a lazy shit player (orc does this, ProHawk does this). I am not bringing an angle of "you suck so much you have to be scum"; I was telling him that he wasn't playing to his usual town level and I thought the bits lacking were due to him being scum. I do appreciate this because it gives a clearer angle on what he was getting at in his last post, though. I did expect to antagonize him a bit, sure, but ProHawk isn't a Llamarble or a you that shuts down when people call him out in that way.

In post 441, Deacon Blues wrote:It's kinda of a piece with what I'm already yelling at you about. You could have left the comment at "Why?" rather than shutting off directions the answer could go and narrowing the focus like that.

It feels like tryhard scumhunting. :/

Shutting down directions the answer to go are also me thinking aloud for reasons why Mara would find Tammy-town in that scenario.

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #451 (isolation #62) » Thu Dec 05, 2013 10:05 am

In post 448, Kazekirimaru wrote:
In post 445, Nachomamma8 wrote:I didn't like the ease that he picked two names to be scum from the wagon with (considering the wagon gave no information whatsoever based on who jumped on it)...
I did that, too. Yet you don't seem to give two licks about me.

Different people.

In post 449, Deacon Blues wrote:Well, to be clear: I agree with it in the sense that all other things being equal, there is no way that, in the microcosm of that wagon and nothing around it, to cherry pick the scum.

But I don't really think that's what he was doing.

That's what it felt like.

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #453 (isolation #63) » Thu Dec 05, 2013 10:08 am

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #455 (isolation #64) » Thu Dec 05, 2013 10:20 am

ffery!

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #458 (isolation #65) » Thu Dec 05, 2013 10:38 am

In post 456, Deacon Blues wrote:
In post 455, Nachomamma8 wrote:ffery!
What?

ffery ffery ffery

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #460 (isolation #66) » Thu Dec 05, 2013 10:53 am

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #461 (isolation #67) » Thu Dec 05, 2013 10:53 am

Are you done? Was that all you had for me?

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #462 (isolation #68) » Thu Dec 05, 2013 10:54 am

I thought you were gonna hold my feet to the fire; it was my turn to be on the receiving end of an intense tunnel but that wasn't half as intense as I was expecting it would be.

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #466 (isolation #69) » Thu Dec 05, 2013 10:58 am

No, your tunneling is intense. I stayed up 24 hours fighting the wagon off me in Buzzword. That will be an experience that I will remember for literally the rest of my life.

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #469 (isolation #70) » Thu Dec 05, 2013 11:00 am

In post 463, Deacon Blues wrote:Done as in not sure where to take it next.

Talking reads is generally a good jumping off point.

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #470 (isolation #71) » Thu Dec 05, 2013 11:01 am

I *probably* have more things to say than just about ProHawk.

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #472 (isolation #72) » Thu Dec 05, 2013 11:02 am

In post 467, Ms Marangal wrote:Tammy
is
town isn't she?

why does when I make that read on her, matter?

making a read too early is generally not a good sign because scum know alignments already and can guess what will happen with reads on certain players based on those players

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #479 (isolation #73) » Thu Dec 05, 2013 11:22 am

In post 473, Deacon Blues wrote:
In post 470, Nachomamma8 wrote:I *probably* have more things to say than just about ProHawk.
We're spending a lot of time reading orcinus games. :/

Also consuming neurons wrt mara.

And wondering when the fuck SSK is going to post again.

Orc's response to me calling him town was pretty impressive if he's scum.

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #561 (isolation #74) » Thu Dec 05, 2013 8:17 pm

Orc I read you correctly fuck you

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #562 (isolation #75) » Thu Dec 05, 2013 8:17 pm

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #654 (isolation #76) » Sat Dec 07, 2013 7:39 am

In post 496, fferyllt wrote:Town: {
Orci
,
Tammy
,
Fuzzy
, Mac, Kaze,
ProHawk
}
Null (L-R = T-S): {Pitoli, Rufflig, GifSakura, SSK, Mara}
Scum: {
Nacho
}

Nacho is my current conclusion based on the prohawk push but I'm annealing my take on it still. Wouldn't take to bank.

Orcinus/Kaze due to Kaze claim and Orci nod.

#UPDATE

Minami read is surprising to me, what's going on there? The gif head has been a hell of a lot more active and engaged than he ever was in touhou and providing a lot more good shit to boot.

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #655 (isolation #77) » Sat Dec 07, 2013 7:40 am

That question goes to both of you, by the way: ffery post was a lot shorter and thus less obnoxious to quote.

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #656 (isolation #78) » Sat Dec 07, 2013 7:43 am

In post 520, Deacon Blues wrote:I recognize that a lot of people have a town hardon for Nacho, even though I think I see some cog-dis with how he's personally treating prohawk's play ("your play is shit this game") vs how he's treating our read of prohawk ("if you have a townread on him then you're underestimating him"). Can't have it both ways. If those people townreading Nacho could at least attempt to give their own take on him, I'd appreciate it, otherwise I probably just have to let him be today.

I want pitoli off the table for the moment - she's not active on-site right now; give her a bit to get into this.

I want
SSK to be prodded
because he IS active on site but otherwise has no footprint in this game and isn't a compelling lynch either because of that.

Leaves {Gifkura, Rufflig, Mara}, for the moment, pending responses from others.

VOTE: GifSakura

that 'Ima quote my half-game old reads' post does not seem town motivated.

Initially I said his reaction to my wagon was shit because it was shit. I then said if you had a toe read on him based on his reaction to my initial attack, you were underestimating him because there was still a lot lacking. I don't understand where this got overblown to me insulting prohawk as a player.

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #657 (isolation #79) » Sat Dec 07, 2013 7:49 am

In post 539, ProHawk wrote:
In post 445, Nachomamma8 wrote: ProHawk would immediately go after me for being antitown as hell with my big wagons without any debate. A wagon forming in the way that it did means that there's no real way to distinguish between town or scum jumping on the wagon; Prohawk would be likely to express that as well. I didn't like the ease that he picked two names to be scum from the wagon with (considering the wagon gave no information whatsoever based on who jumped on it), and I didn't like I wasn't named in his suspects until I reaffirmed my push on him. Timing was late.
Want to know the real fun part about all of this conjecturing about what town-hawk would do?

I am pretty sure Nacho hasn't even been remotely familiar with scum-hawk.

In post 410, Nachomamma8 wrote:
In post 409, ProHawk wrote:Who said you weren't a suspect before that?
The whole "I think Tammy and Rufflig are the scum on my wagon" implied that when I started the wagon on you in the first place. Why didn't you mention my name if I was a suspect?
I see where you got the idea I suppose. You didn't ping my gut like those two at the time I posted - to answer your question. It took a bit more re-reading and analyzing for me to come to that conclusion. Why does me suspecting you after pushing me make me scum? What real scum-motivation would I have to make today into a Hawk vs Nacho?

Oh Rufflig, would you be so kind as to tell me your thoughts on SSK?

P-EDIT: Have you ever town-read me Hana? Your strat should change to: Scum-Reading ProHawk = Town ProHawk. Town-Reading ProHawk = Scum ProHawk. You will have much better results this way.

I don't need to have a baseline for scum prohawk in order to call you out for acting differently; all I need is a baseline for town prohawk. I never said you were playing to your scum meta, I said you were playing differently and I think that's because you're scum. Why do I need experience with scum prohawk to say as much?

Suspecting me after I reaffirmed your push on me is scummy because it evolved in a way that felt disingenuous, and I explained why already. But, in case you need that explanation again, I figured you would have more of a knee jerk response to the wagon on you instead of a strange delayed reaction. You don't have much motivation to make today me versus you, but that's not what you're doing. You're trying to push the wagon off you, and you think that conviction in pushing me is something that people will see, go "why would prohawk do that?", and leave you alone. I also notice that you didn't respond to a significant portion of my rebuttal/requests to clarify your position. Why?

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #658 (isolation #80) » Sat Dec 07, 2013 7:53 am

In post 600, Tammy wrote:UNVOTE:
VOTE: rufflig

Would you like to build a snowman?

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #659 (isolation #81) » Sat Dec 07, 2013 7:59 am

In post 637, Tammy wrote:
In post 425, Nachomamma8 wrote:
In post 423, Deacon Blues wrote:Why did you choose Tammy to push on in your opening post?
Because her opening post was boring, seemed overly terse. Thought I was sensing a bit of weakness, couldn't pass up the opportunity to catch Tammy-scum in one post and make up for chosen mafia. I did research into her other opening posts and everything!
You did?

I'd really like to know what recent town games have been wordy? Or what games you're comparing it to for my openings that you are comparing it to.

I thought chef, hoh (even though more content to focus on), and wingate were all more amusing then your opening here.

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #665 (isolation #82) » Sat Dec 07, 2013 9:08 am

In post 660, Ms Marangal wrote:I'm pretty sure you have used the "You aren't playing town-you" argument against me when you pushed for my mis-lynch in a game. Nacho.

Probably. I've also used it when pushing for a few scum lynches!

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #667 (isolation #83) » Sat Dec 07, 2013 9:09 am

In post 662, Tammy wrote:
In post 658, Nachomamma8 wrote:
In post 600, Tammy wrote:UNVOTE:
VOTE: rufflig
Would you like to build a snowman?
I don't get it. Are you saying yay lets have fun your vote is super duper dreamy or is it a new buzzword to tell me my vote sucks? If its the former, let me get my gloves.

Yes your vote is super dreamy.

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #770 (isolation #84) » Sun Dec 08, 2013 1:22 pm

In post 736, ProHawk wrote:
In post 657, Nachomamma8 wrote: I don't need to have a baseline for scum prohawk in order to call you out for acting differently; all I need is a baseline for town prohawk. I never said you were playing to your scum meta, I said you were playing differently and I think that's because you're scum. Why do I need experience with scum prohawk to say as much?
Take just one minute and think about this for a second.

Am I right in saying that you are trying to say acting not like your town meta is equivalent to scum? This thinking is completely fallacious and wrong.

First, who has more motivation to act like your town-self? A scum role or a town? While town doesn't want to be lynched, its a lot more detrimental as scum to be lynched. They have to act like town to not be lynched. In my opinion people emulating their town-self to a T are more likely to be scum than not. People aren't static.

Second, you aren't taking into consideration roles. People who draw power roles act differently as town-power-roles than they would as vanilla roles. Again it boils down to the risk factor of being lynched.

Therefore, without a scum-baseline to base your read, you fail to consider the other possible scenarios as to why someone isn't playing like you believe that they should. Playing differently is not a scum-tell.

I am pretty sure I had responded to all of your questions and if I hadn't please reiterate which ones I had missed.

You are correct that acting differently isn't a scumtell. Your initial jump into the thread was a bad one and different from what I would expect.

I am not taking into consideration roles.

It's not a complete read but was worthy of a push.

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #772 (isolation #85) » Sun Dec 08, 2013 1:27 pm

VOTE: Rufflig

Meant to vote last night.

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #799 (isolation #86) » Mon Dec 09, 2013 11:16 am

In post 775, The Rufflig wrote:Hey, Nacho. Mind if I bounce something off you?

MafiaSSK similar to Aunt J?

How so? I mean I get one was scum and the other is likely scum but I don't see any comparisons past that. Doctor who is a hazy memory.

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #800 (isolation #87) » Mon Dec 09, 2013 11:17 am

In post 782, Deacon Blues wrote:Hi mykonian.

Thanks for replacing in.

I'm not voting because Bork and I are doing a reset, but he has a week-old baby and wasn't able to free up time this weekend.

I want our vote on rufflig. We'll see if Bork and I still feel that way tomorrow.

We're also still not very happy with Nacho's play. Still wanting someone to tell us why they think Nacho is town.
'

I think Nacho is town.

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #801 (isolation #88) » Mon Dec 09, 2013 11:20 am

In post 777, The Rufflig wrote:That read was made after your exams and by request of another player. At that point, you still had not shown any intention of playing the game.

Ruffling looks horrible from this exchange.

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #809 (isolation #89) » Mon Dec 09, 2013 1:27 pm

VOTE: Pitoli

There's no shame in being afraid, Orc.

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #839 (isolation #90) » Tue Dec 10, 2013 12:24 am

In post 810, Kazekirimaru wrote:Why this vote? Why now?

Felt good. Wanted to back off Rufflig.

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #840 (isolation #91) » Tue Dec 10, 2013 12:25 am

In post 811, Tammy wrote:
In post 767, orcinus_theoriginal wrote:Ok um

Dude

Not a scum meltdown UNVOTE:

Why wasn't it? I feel like I'm one of the more sensitive and temperamental players on this site and I can't understand that flip out.

The towniest meltdowns tend to be the ones that make the least sense.

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #841 (isolation #92) » Tue Dec 10, 2013 12:33 am

In post 838, pitoli wrote:Tammy is still town but I'm experiencing some cogdis with respect to Rufflig so I don't think I want to vote him yet.

VOTE: Nachomamma

This was underwhelming.

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #845 (isolation #93) » Tue Dec 10, 2013 12:42 am

In post 842, pitoli wrote:That's okay. I really just want to know why you voted me because I didn't feel any conviction behind it.

oh there isn't conviction behind it
why did you vote me instead of ask me why?

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #846 (isolation #94) » Tue Dec 10, 2013 12:42 am

In post 844, orcinus_theoriginal wrote:Hi nacho

hi orc! how is reading the game going?

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #847 (isolation #95) » Tue Dec 10, 2013 12:42 am

instead of ask me why i voted you :/

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #848 (isolation #96) » Tue Dec 10, 2013 12:44 am

pitoli please don't make me wait that long i literally feel like my eyes are glazing over

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #851 (isolation #97) » Tue Dec 10, 2013 12:53 am

Sorry? What explanation were you expecting?

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #852 (isolation #98) » Tue Dec 10, 2013 12:54 am

I also have no idea what "OMGUS can get you places" actually means.

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #855 (isolation #99) » Tue Dec 10, 2013 1:04 am

pitoli

i voted you with no conviction
you voted me because i had no conviction
i say i have no conviction
you say why vote with no conviction
i say because i want a momentum change

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #856 (isolation #100) » Tue Dec 10, 2013 1:04 am

i guess what i'm saying is that we're going literally nowhere

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #858 (isolation #101) » Tue Dec 10, 2013 1:10 am

is this being underwhelming or just honest

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #862 (isolation #102) » Tue Dec 10, 2013 1:17 am

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #863 (isolation #103) » Tue Dec 10, 2013 1:17 am

not yet

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #865 (isolation #104) » Tue Dec 10, 2013 1:19 am

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #866 (isolation #105) » Tue Dec 10, 2013 1:23 am

Vote: Minami

Nachomamma8 · Thu Dec 12, 2013 11:37 am

In post 869, Tammy wrote:Nacho - you feel like your team has already been narrowed by Poe know it's going to be, and you just decided to go fuck it. Let me just troll.

You don't know my scum mindset if you think that this is the case.
My best scumgames usually come when I have literally no chance of winning.

Nachomamma8 · Thu Dec 12, 2013 11:49 am

In post 871, Tammy wrote:Like you back off rufflig because you wanted a momentum change, which must mean you think I'm wrong about rufflig, yet you don't try to pull me down from him and tell me why I'm wrong? You know rufflig is wrong about me and you don't tell him why he's wrong?

You see Mykonian misattribute a post you made and you don't correct him?

Instead you pop in here and do meaningless dances that you know and admit are meaningless?

I don't think minaho is town, but the last time you talked about minaho, you were defending him. (That I remember getting ready to head to work can't confirm) and now you're voting him after admitting your pitoli push was crap?

I don't necessarily need to think that ruffling is town in order to make a momentum change; I think the game is stalling and I am afraid of a ruffling town flip more than I am predicting it. Does that make sense?

I didn't see mykonian fuck up, probably. IPad following along is hard, Chica.

I was defending him last time I talked about him! Then the read got stale. My pitoli push was not meaningless, it lacked conviction. Different things.

Nachomamma8 · Thu Dec 12, 2013 11:51 am

In post 873, Minami no Hana wrote:
In post 866, Nachomamma8 wrote:
Vote: Minami
Why?

Because I think you two are scum. Why not? For example, gif was gonna do random Isos and strengthen reads and stuff but that totally hasn't happened.

Nachomamma8 · Thu Dec 12, 2013 11:51 am

And is that your only response to me voting you? Because it totally shouldn't be.

Nachomamma8 · Thu Dec 12, 2013 11:54 am

In post 887, Deacon Blues wrote:It reminded me of this game: http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=83&t=32520

We were scum, she was town. Nacho threw a vote down on her and she reacted with a countervote.

Here are a couple of posts that she made about the votes:

In post 146, pitoli wrote:idk, just, third vote on a wagon? Im always watching if that shit looks like an opportunity to cement momentum on a mislynch

Nacho it just didnt feel like you even gave it that much thought

yknow what's really fun, tryin and failjng to type this on my phone

In post 159, pitoli wrote:
In post 155, sangres wrote:Don't stop believing, pitoli.
this sounds like you dont necessarily think im scum?

/hopeful
She was run up to L-1 pretty quickly so there were a lot more players than just us to interact with.

Anyway.

Both of them are bothering me for different reasons. Why isn't Nacho the one who's reaching out and trying t round up a town bloc?

I'm rounding up my town block. My vote on pitoli was a reach out in and of itself. You also know that I don't obviously build town blocks I'm every game

Nachomamma8 · Thu Dec 12, 2013 11:57 am

In post 890, Deacon Blues wrote:I know from experience that his repertoire of stances and approaches to games as town is voluminous. But, he's in a curious place that I don't remember seeing before. He's not being apathetic and letting others set the agenda. He's not stepping up and leading. But, he's kind occupying the hub of the wheel, and has controlled the tempo of the game with what look like very strategic pushes and direction changes. But, it's not leading anywhere. Unless he really had to do the earlier crap to cement reads on Tammy and ProHawk. And, I don't think it takes a wagon on Tammy for him to sort her. ProHawk, maybe.

No it totally doesn't, thought I was gonna get me tammyscum day 1 though. I decided not to take a wait and see approach since occasionally those include too much waiting from my end. I blatantly lead a little less than I usually do when game is already going in a good direction and iPad.

Nachomamma8 · Thu Dec 12, 2013 11:58 am

In post 897, pitoli wrote:Oh good, my townreads blocing without me ):

My vote on Nacho was basically to try to force some interaction with him, since what he was doing didn't look like town and I wanted to get more out of him. Omgus is one of those things that people rarely ignore and I wanted to see what peoples' reactions would be.

The way Nacho is flipping about makes me think he could be scum pretending he has reads to sort out. The momentum comment derided me out.

You haven't seen me flip out, have you?

Nachomamma8 · Thu Dec 12, 2013 12:01 pm

I think I want to work with SSK town based on his reads list. He misses a lot yes, but I think scum partners would probably fill him in on Orc claim.

Nachomamma8 · Thu Dec 12, 2013 12:03 pm

Tammy, I think you have a good point on ruffling treatment of me. I am afraid I am misreading him based on this because I misread him in every game we played together IIRC. I don't know why he's trusting me easily, but I don't want to fuck up that trust if we are both town for once.

Nachomamma8 · Thu Dec 12, 2013 12:05 pm

In post 938, orcinus_theoriginal wrote:Fuckit.

I'm not voting the wagon nacho and ssk are on.

VOTE: Rufflig

Kazzzzzzeeeeeeeee

Sigh.

Nachomamma8 · Thu Dec 12, 2013 12:09 pm

I don't like how Prohawk ended up on the easy lynch. I don't like how he fell off when I stopped pushing him, and I still don't really think he's town.

Nachomamma8 · Thu Dec 12, 2013 12:16 pm

Pitoli town based on interactions and a level of ballsiness required to be coming from pitoli scum that I don't think she possesses.
Marangal meltdown makes myko town, don't really give a shit what he posts although moving away from the norm in a significant way is something that comes from myko town more often than myko scum.
Tammy deacon town.
MafiaSSK gets two points based on what I assume scumbuddies would have filled him in on. If scumteam is prohawk/gif though, maybe not. Otherwise would prefer not to kill him based on townreads elsewhere (head can be cut off today).
Ruffling trust of me is weird and I am suspicious as all hell, but not sure he is best flip for today. Look into again later.
Prohawk still scummy. Conviction in response to me was good, follow up responses were not. Current line on ruffling is concerning if ruffling town.
Mac town.
Fuzzy most likely town, although I have paranoid flashes now and then.
Kaze also most likely town although I have similar paranoid flashes on him.
Minami good bet for scum.

Nachomamma8 · Thu Dec 12, 2013 12:16 pm

In post 994, Deacon Blues wrote:
In post 992, Nachomamma8 wrote:I don't like how Prohawk ended up on the easy lynch. I don't like how he fell off when I stopped pushing him, and I still don't really think he's town.
His suspicion of Kaze' claim has a town-ProHawk feel to me.

That is a good point.

Nachomamma8 · Thu Dec 12, 2013 12:16 pm

What do you think of Minami?

Nachomamma8 · Thu Dec 12, 2013 12:18 pm

I might have a decent reason for calling the Sakura head scum.

Nachomamma8 · Thu Dec 12, 2013 12:31 pm

I agree that I gave him too much credit for his early posting, which is something I discovered last night while looking for alternatives. I don't like that Sakura sheeped me after voting me; it felt like if she was concerned about Nachoscum, then she probably wouldn't have been so immediately reassured by me. She is not the type of player who dances with me or challenges me to dance with her, she usually just follows along with my initial pushes. If she's paranoid of me, she's usually clearly and obviously paranoid of me, not this strange middle ground where she's kind of paranoid of me but not really. So I feel like she's sorting me out because she thinks that's the type of thing I would townread from her, but not showing actual signs of sorting me out because she's not actually town.

Nachomamma8 · Fri Dec 13, 2013 9:53 am

In post 1003, pitoli wrote:
In post 988, Nachomamma8 wrote:
In post 897, pitoli wrote:Oh good, my townreads blocing without me ):

My vote on Nacho was basically to try to force some interaction with him, since what he was doing didn't look like town and I wanted to get more out of him. Omgus is one of those things that people rarely ignore and I wanted to see what peoples' reactions would be.

The way Nacho is flipping about makes me think he could be scum pretending he has reads to sort out. The momentum comment derided me out.
You haven't seen me flip out, have you?
Not flipping out, flipping votes.

So I could be scum pretending to have reads to sort out, or... I could have reads to sort out.

Nachomamma8 · Fri Dec 13, 2013 9:58 am

In post 1018, Minami no Hana wrote:
In post 1002, Nachomamma8 wrote:I agree that I gave him too much credit for his early posting, which is something I discovered last night while looking for alternatives. I don't like that Sakura sheeped me after voting me; it felt like if she was concerned about Nachoscum, then she probably wouldn't have been so immediately reassured by me. She is not the type of player who dances with me or challenges me to dance with her, she usually just follows along with my initial pushes. If she's paranoid of me, she's usually clearly and obviously paranoid of me, not this strange middle ground where she's kind of paranoid of me but not really. So I feel like she's sorting me out because she thinks that's the type of thing I would townread from her, but not showing actual signs of sorting me out because she's not actually town.
Except when I voted you, you hadn't even posted, when I checked the thread again you had already gone through Tammy and went on to prohawk, I felt your interaction was townish and decided to sheep you.
wrt GiF he's been V/LA for a while because first he was sick, and now... well he didnt tell me the reason for his V/LA i only know it's until Thursday (which is today).

At least you're not attributing my innactivity to your scumread on us, but I guess you could explain to ffery how active I am when im in hydra if she didnt notice from her games with me when I was in hydra with you, mostly because im lazy to switch accounts (hence why i play solo so often).

Now can we go on with lynching scum Rufflig and be done with it?

Why are you so confident in ruffling when all you have is gut? What does GiF think about the push?

Nachomamma8 · Fri Dec 13, 2013 9:59 am

I forgot that I didn't post by then, but there's still a bit of a disconnect between dancing with me to immediately sheeping me. If you wanted to dance, why not dance?

Nachomamma8 · Fri Dec 13, 2013 10:00 am

In post 1035, Kazekirimaru wrote:Seriously, guys. Mara's play was scummy and Myko's certainly didn't do the slot much better. I put down a metacase and Myko shrugs it off with the most uninspired "ehh, I just play how I feel. That means nothing" defense I've ever seen. Have you ever seen a townie that cavalier about being accused? Not an ounce of indignation? He's not even trying! Practically laughing me off.

What do I have to do to get you guys to see where I'm coming from?

Yes

Nachomamma8 · Fri Dec 13, 2013 10:01 am

In post 1036, ProHawk wrote:
In post 989, Nachomamma8 wrote: but I think scum partners would probably fill him in on Orc claim.
How exactly would this occur Nacho?

One scum says "hi Orc is confirmed town" after Kaze claims.

Nachomamma8 · Fri Dec 13, 2013 10:02 am

Those necessarily wouldn't be his (or her) words, but they would be close.

Nachomamma8 · Fri Dec 13, 2013 10:05 am

In post 1037, ProHawk wrote:Nacho, since you obviously feel like my case on Rufflig is bad, how about you explain my "line" without looking back at my ISO. What in the world makes you say Rufflig is/was an easy lynch at the time I voted him? Because Tammy was yelling he was scum?

I don't think your case on Rufflig is bad.
If I close my eyes and remember your posts, your line is push Rufflig and spew conviction and anger whenever I renew my push on you and then stay under the radar otherwise.
Rufflig was an easy lynch because he's an easier lynch than players with meta experience with each other. He's a bit outside of the clique.

Nachomamma8 · Fri Dec 13, 2013 10:06 am

In post 1059, Minami no Hana wrote:I took your not wanting to engage with me and proceeding to dance with other people as not wanting to dance with me, but since you're here we might as well dance now.

Also I haven't heard from GiF for a while, last 2 things i hard was a V/LA until thursday that he mentioned 3 days ago, and now a V/LA extension until sunday.

It may be gut, or there may be more to it, but considering how so far my gut reads are usually right, i'm pretty confident.

He was there when he put down the vote on Rufflig. What did he say about it?

Nachomamma8 · Fri Dec 13, 2013 10:07 am

In post 1044, orcinus_theoriginal wrote:That nacho suggestion looked like it implied the knowledge of a scum encryptor

It did!

Nachomamma8 · Fri Dec 13, 2013 10:08 am

In post 1042, MafiaSSK wrote:
In post 1040, The Rufflig wrote:
In post 1035, Kazekirimaru wrote:Seriously, guys. Mara's play was scummy and Myko's certainly didn't do the slot much better. I put down a metacase and Myko shrugs it off with the most uninspired "ehh, I just play how I feel. That means nothing" defense I've ever seen. Have you ever seen a townie that cavalier about being accused? Not an ounce of indignation? He's not even trying! Practically laughing me off.

What do I have to do to get you guys to see where I'm coming from?
I wasn't a fan of Mara, but I rather like Myko. What I like most about him is that he isn't going with the flow. He has put in his own ideas for everyone to consider and mull over instead of retreading the same old ground.

VOTE: Minami
What a jump. Mind explaining?

SSK, what are your thoughts? I don't think you gave an updated reads list yet.

Nachomamma8 · Fri Dec 13, 2013 10:12 am

What have you talked about game wise?

Nachomamma8 · Fri Dec 13, 2013 10:12 am

Has he commented on his ffery read at all?

Nachomamma8 · Fri Dec 13, 2013 10:13 am

What are your nonRufflig thoughts?

Nachomamma8 · Fri Dec 13, 2013 10:18 am

Sakuraaaaaa

Nachomamma8 · Fri Dec 13, 2013 10:18 am

Come dance with meeeee

Nachomamma8 · Fri Dec 13, 2013 11:01 am

Pride before the fall.

Nachomamma8 · Fri Dec 13, 2013 11:02 am

One instance also doesn't disprove an entire school of thought, hawkie.

Nachomamma8 · Fri Dec 13, 2013 11:04 am

In post 1070, Minami no Hana wrote:Thinking about it he hasn't talked with me about anything game related, hasn't let me in on any reads or anything and now i'm here while he's on V/LA (and im supposed to be V/LA too but taking the chance that my boss is around).

Non rufflig thoughts:
orc/kaze are town because i doubt scum would've made a confirmable fakeclaim like that, specially the "mod confirming kaze as town if orc is lynched"
Mara's AtE looked town, so im not buying Kaze's meta case on myko
Mac gut town
fuzzylogic is in the "dunno" realm, my read on him has been jumping up and down all day, the scum slips thingy seems decent but i trust my gut read on Rufflig more in this case.
You were town, but i dont like your reasoning on your push on me when you have knowledge of how i act in hydra (which is usually rely a lot on my other head and bounce reads off them, the issue here is that GiF doesnt talk at all so I have to guess :<)
SSK is... idk how to read him at all.
ffery/bork seem way to aggresive for what I remember of ffery or bork (tho the one game i played with bork was a long time ago)
prohawk is another gut scum read.

PEd: JEEZ IM TYPING

What scum slips thingy?
What's wrong with my push on you? The thing that differs in your individual to hydra play is your inactivity, which is not something I'm attacking you for.

I must admit you're looking town again though =\

Nachomamma8 · Fri Dec 13, 2013 11:04 am

In post 1079, Minami no Hana wrote:So Nacho invites a lady to the dance floor and then leaves her hanging, i'm hurt

I get bored when you take too long to put your shoes on,

Nachomamma8 · Fri Dec 13, 2013 11:17 am

No, Rufflig is an easy lynch because he doesn't have meta experience with anyone else.

Nachomamma8 · Fri Dec 13, 2013 11:45 am

In post 1086, Minami no Hana wrote:
In post 1085, Nachomamma8 wrote:No, Rufflig is an easy lynch because he doesn't have meta experience with anyone else.
Technically me, you and Tammy played with him on Stack the Deck of power tho.

Anything to the other questions?

Nachomamma8 · Fri Dec 13, 2013 11:48 am

In post 1087, ProHawk wrote:Now you are going to have to explain that to me in more detail because I don't see how that makes him an easy lynch over just making it so he can't rely on that for scum-hunting?

Having meta experience with other people means that those people have a basic understanding with the way you play. When people have meta authority with one another, it means they will 1) be more reluctant to vote that person since people like scumhunting with those they are familiar with, and 2) will be more likely to see town tells when they are being lynched, and have the power to stop their lynch. When you are outside the circle, people don't see these townreads as easily and you get left more in an outsider position, and when POE starts coming into effect, the outsiders are usually the first to get lynched.

Nachomamma8 · Sat Dec 14, 2013 8:09 am

In post 1095, Mac wrote:
In post 1080, Nachomamma8 wrote:
In post 1070, Minami no Hana wrote:Thinking about it he hasn't talked with me about anything game related, hasn't let me in on any reads or anything and now i'm here while he's on V/LA (and im supposed to be V/LA too but taking the chance that my boss is around).

Non rufflig thoughts:
orc/kaze are town because i doubt scum would've made a confirmable fakeclaim like that, specially the "mod confirming kaze as town if orc is lynched"
Mara's AtE looked town, so im not buying Kaze's meta case on myko
Mac gut town
fuzzylogic is in the "dunno" realm, my read on him has been jumping up and down all day, the scum slips thingy seems decent but i trust my gut read on Rufflig more in this case.
You were town, but i dont like your reasoning on your push on me when you have knowledge of how i act in hydra (which is usually rely a lot on my other head and bounce reads off them, the issue here is that GiF doesnt talk at all so I have to guess :<)
SSK is... idk how to read him at all.
ffery/bork seem way to aggresive for what I remember of ffery or bork (tho the one game i played with bork was a long time ago)
prohawk is another gut scum read.

PEd: JEEZ IM TYPING
What scum slips thingy?
What's wrong with my push on you? The thing that differs in your individual to hydra play is your inactivity, which is not something I'm attacking you for.

I must admit you're looking town again though =\
if you think this why are you still voting them?

this game is stallin and we need a lynch. myko, SSK or pitoli for me. can we agree on someone?

I could agree with SSK at this point or maybe a Rufflig, but neither lynch gets my blood pumping. I want to get my blood pumping.

Nachomamma8 · Sat Dec 14, 2013 8:11 am

In post 1122, Minami no Hana wrote:That's quite odd...

Nacho where are you, is fuzzy scum and Rufflig town? I'm kind of seeing tangents to his play on Stacking the Deck of power, where he seemed concerned about the newbies.

I don't think fuzzy is scum but Rufflig town terrifies me.

Nachomamma8 · Sat Dec 14, 2013 9:39 am

In post 1130, Deacon Blues wrote:Because too many town?

Yes.

Nachomamma8 · Mon Dec 16, 2013 7:01 am

In post 1133, mykonian wrote:which one is where you went wrong then?

I dunno. I'm in the process of figuring that out!

In post 1136, Tammy wrote:Nacho - my heart foes not skip with joy when you post, mostly it goes thud, thud, thud.

You might want to get your heart checked, then. First sign of getting old is heart not skipping a beat every time my beautiful username comes up on screen.

In post 1145, ProHawk wrote:I am not sure how much his stance has changed at this point.

Quite a bit, actually!

In post 1148, Deacon Blues wrote:Do you still feel we're going nowhere?

Not anymore!

In post 1148, Deacon Blues wrote:What are your thoughts about pitoli post reach-out? Are you thinking she's town? You moved your vote, but you moved it off ruffling mostly on the basis of uncertainty, I think.

The final conclusion was pit-town. There was a bit of oddsteps for pitscum in our already strange dance; I am feeling pretty good as of yet but not absolutely certain.

In post 1150, ProHawk wrote:the way Nacho phrased it like he knew that day-chat was a thing.

I love doing that.

Nachomamma8 · Mon Dec 16, 2013 7:03 am

In post 1153, Mac wrote:does that come with the town-Sakura package?

It usually does, although my town-Sakura package is getting a little paranoid as of late because I haven't seen a scum-Sakura. Still not convinced, but leaning town currently.

Nachomamma8 · Mon Dec 16, 2013 7:17 am

Vote: MafiaSSK

?

Nachomamma8 · Mon Dec 16, 2013 10:14 pm

In post 1168, Kazekirimaru wrote:You'd be shooting a townie.

Of course, I'm not surprised scum would shoot a townie.

These arguments are objectively pretty bad.

In post 1183, Minami no Hana wrote:I would sheep nacho on SSK, considering I'm also scumreading him atm.

Why aren't you?

Nachomamma8 · Mon Dec 23, 2013 12:16 am

In post 1232, mykonian wrote:dear mods, what does a necromancer do?

My initial thought is that Necromancer figures out whether the dead has the same alignment as someone who is not dead and posts the result in the form of that weird voting thing.

Nachomamma8 · Mon Dec 23, 2013 12:17 am

In post 1233, pitoli wrote:That lynch was bad and you should all feel bad.

A lynch on me would have been better?

Nachomamma8 · Mon Dec 23, 2013 12:18 am

VOTE: Rufflig

Partners are SakuraGiF and pitoli.

Nachomamma8 · Mon Dec 23, 2013 9:03 pm

In post 1275, Minami no Hana wrote:I actually think that Rufflig could be town.

Would it be too much trouble to explain why?

Nachomamma8 · Mon Dec 23, 2013 10:39 pm

Prohawk - My original vote on SSK was to feel out the wagon, and because I felt like his vote on Rufflig made him the scum on that wagon if Rufflig was town. I ended up letting it push through to resolution since Rufflig vote on him made it a "1 of 2 are scum" situation. I also doubted you were scum with Rufflig and thought you were scum yesterday, so SSK wagon seemed a bit better to me.

Nachomamma8 · Mon Dec 23, 2013 10:41 pm

PITOLI - Who do you suspect today?
Same question to Sakura-GiF.

Nachomamma8 · Mon Dec 23, 2013 11:33 pm

You make 25 a year? I make 25 a night.

Nachomamma8 · Mon Dec 23, 2013 11:41 pm

Jealous because I make approximately 365 times the amount you make?

Nachomamma8 · Tue Dec 24, 2013 12:11 am

So fuzzy is scum because he's weird? That's a bit xenophobic.

Nachomamma8 · Tue Dec 24, 2013 12:11 am

Mac also didn't blame you for his vote yesterday. Like, at all.

Nachomamma8 · Tue Dec 24, 2013 12:28 am

Off the SSK wagon? How did his vote do that?

Nachomamma8 · Tue Dec 24, 2013 12:45 am

In post 1315, pitoli wrote:See, most townies I've seen, when they have been part of a mislynch, there's usually a moment the next day where they might pause to collect their bearings or something of that nature, or even seem mildly apologetic (though the apologetic part can be easy to fake as scum). The mislynch acts like a shakeup. If a townie was wrong about a particular read, it's reason enough to reconsider other players thought to be scum. Mac is no longer obvtown for me because I didn't sense this pause at all. If he is scum, this is a rather clever way of faking a confirmation bias towards me.

I did t pause either.

Nachomamma8 · Tue Dec 24, 2013 1:17 am

In post 1320, pitoli wrote:
In post 1317, Nachomamma8 wrote:
In post 1315, pitoli wrote:See, most townies I've seen, when they have been part of a mislynch, there's usually a moment the next day where they might pause to collect their bearings or something of that nature, or even seem mildly apologetic (though the apologetic part can be easy to fake as scum). The mislynch acts like a shakeup. If a townie was wrong about a particular read, it's reason enough to reconsider other players thought to be scum. Mac is no longer obvtown for me because I didn't sense this pause at all. If he is scum, this is a rather clever way of faking a confirmation bias towards me.
I did t pause either.
Maybe, but there are other things to suggest you're town. My obvtownread on Mac was based mostly on how he was approaching reading me and others.

And then it dies completely because he didn't pause after the death of SSK?

Nachomamma8 · Tue Dec 24, 2013 1:18 am

And what other things suggest that I'm town to you? I creeped you out all day yesterday, then I'm town because "gut" and that feeling exempts me from having to pause after lynching a fellow townie even though the lack of that pause was strong enough to destroy an obvtown read on Mac?

Nachomamma8 · Tue Dec 24, 2013 2:18 am

In post 1325, GuyInFreezer wrote:
In post 1301, Nachomamma8 wrote:PITOLI - Who do you suspect today?
Same question to Sakura-GiF.
Dunno
My reads are in total jumble

Well that seems like bullshit, considering you should have a hell of a town block right now. I know I do!

Nachomamma8 · Tue Dec 24, 2013 2:29 am

In post 1328, GuyInFreezer wrote:Normally I should've but I don't for many reasons and I won't bother listing why
But i can say this though: so far my townblocs are all of your scumreads.

Did you cop Rufflig last night?

Nachomamma8 · Tue Dec 24, 2013 2:40 am

VOTE: Pitoli

Nachomamma8 · Tue Dec 24, 2013 2:43 am

Now convince me why she is in your town block.
My current town block is:
You, Orc, Kaze, Rufflig, Mac, Fuzzy, Tammy

Which leaves something like:
Hawkie
Myko
Pitoli

And I sort of doubt myko scum thanks to Mara replace out, so I guess I'd downgrade Kaze and fuzzy a notch if I was being extra careful.

Nachomamma8 · Tue Dec 24, 2013 2:57 am

In post 1335, Minami no Hana wrote:Isn't the townslip I mentioned long time ago is not enough for you?

Considering I don't know what the hell the township is, no. It isn't.

Nachomamma8 · Tue Dec 24, 2013 2:35 pm

GiF, I still don't understand the townslip.

Nachomamma8 · Tue Dec 24, 2013 2:36 pm

Tammy, why do you think pitoli is town?

Nachomamma8 · Tue Dec 24, 2013 3:05 pm

In post 1352, Tammy wrote:
In post 1351, pitoli wrote:I did not claim anything.
But I believe both Kaze and Minami right now.

Yeah this game is getting crowded.

Okay, but why are you all of a sudden town reading Nacho then?

(because she's scum and doesn't want to dance with Nacho who is being more aggressive than he was yesterday)

Nachomamma8 · Tue Dec 24, 2013 4:18 pm

I mean, the cop innocent should make you lean town on him at least.

Nachomamma8 · Tue Dec 24, 2013 7:49 pm

In post 1360, ProHawk wrote:HE WAS SCUM READING YOU FOR THE WHOLE FREAKING GAME

It was fairly clear that the scumread on him wasn't massively strong and not one that I had a whole lot of faith in. Why did you think that I would choose the SSK wagon over the Rufflig wagon if both were town?

Nachomamma8 · Tue Dec 24, 2013 11:01 pm

In post 1362, Tammy wrote:I feel like the scum in this game have decided to fake innocents on each other and just not kill the two quasi-mason pairs so they can hide behind that and laugh all the way to end game.

Basically I just really don't see how Rufflig/Minaho are both town.

But what if they are? What then?

Nachomamma8 · Tue Dec 24, 2013 11:02 pm

In post 1363, ProHawk wrote:
In post 1361, Nachomamma8 wrote:
In post 1360, ProHawk wrote:HE WAS SCUM READING YOU FOR THE WHOLE FREAKING GAME
It was fairly clear that the scumread on him wasn't massively strong and not one that I had a whole lot of faith in. Why did you think that I would choose the SSK wagon over the Rufflig wagon if both were town?
Thats a good question Nacho, Why did you choose SSK over Rufflig? Why did you even choose SSK in the first place?

I don't think Rufflig is town.
I don't think you are town.
I don't think Minami is town.

I chose SSK over Rufflig because I had a gut feeling on Rufflig and SSK wasn't going to be doing much. I explained this in bits and pieces yesterday.

Nachomamma8 · Tue Dec 24, 2013 11:04 pm

In post 1364, ProHawk wrote:But in all reality, if they both end up being town, SSK was the easier lynch. Ironic considering you called me scum for going for an easy lynch.

Why would I go for the easier lynch when I postured so nicely and so completely against Rufflig? I accused you for going for an easy lynch since you normally don't bother with lynchbait for the first couple of days and instead look to pick on stronger players, but that's not what you did in this game.

Nachomamma8 · Tue Dec 24, 2013 11:06 pm

It doesn't, but Prohawks attack on me not having a clear thought process on ending up on SSK instead of Rufflig doesn't make me scum if they were both town.

Nachomamma8 · Wed Dec 25, 2013 12:04 am

Before you vig me I have an approximate fuckton of information to drop on the thread.

Nachomamma8 · Wed Dec 25, 2013 12:05 am

And also, if you vig me, you can never bitch about me not being able to read you ever ever again.

Nachomamma8 · Wed Dec 25, 2013 12:06 am

And I get to send broken hearts to Tammy for not tow reading me when reading me correctly would pretty much break the game

Nachomamma8 · Wed Dec 25, 2013 12:07 am

Why do you have a strong townread on Prohawk?

Nachomamma8 · Wed Dec 25, 2013 12:10 am

In post 1227, Yulia Jue wrote:

With 13 players alive, it takes 7 votes to lynch or no lynch.

Minami no Hana (2):mykonian, ProHawk(L-5)
The Rufflig (2):MafiaSSK, Tammy (L-5)
Nachomamma8 (1): pitoli, (L-6)

MafiaSSK (7): orcinus_theoriginal, TheFuzzylogic99, Mac, Nachomamma8, The Rufflig, Minami no Hana, Kazekirimaru (LYNCH)

Not Voting (1): Deacon Blues

Upon review, we're extending the deadline by 24 hours to account for site downtime the past few days.

Absolute deadline falls on Wednesday, December 18th, at 4PM GMT -7.
This is in (expired on 2013-12-19 16:00:00)
Since a lynch has been reached, the remaining 42 hours as of the hammer post have been added to Day 2's deadline.

First of all, there was scum on the MafiaSSK wagon. This is a bit of a crazy spoiler alert, but I think it might be Kaze. It doesn't make any fucking sense for there to be a player that confirms you, a role that pretty much confirms itself as town ANYWAYS, and the "I get my alignment confirmed" claim gives motive to Kaze claiming as early as he did.

Nachomamma8 · Wed Dec 25, 2013 12:13 am

I also might be coming around to the possibility of myko being scum. Mara explosion was about her interaction with Rufflig and her not being shitty as scum, which I doubt would be an explosion if Rufflig and her were buddies (and holy shit, all of the sudden they aren't). I have been reading myko posts with Mara being town already being in my mind, so I might be biased there and can't really read myko on the forums worth a shit anyways. If Kaze is scum, I doubt Prohawk would point out the possibility of him being scum and I basically doubt a lot of the pushes he's made this game.

Nachomamma8 · Wed Dec 25, 2013 12:17 am

What do you mean by Varsoon factor?

Nachomamma8 · Wed Dec 25, 2013 12:20 am

In post 1387, pitoli wrote:do not!!

I also don't understand why I was so scummy yesterday and now I'm town enough to be in your top townreads :/

Nachomamma8 · Wed Dec 25, 2013 12:22 am

What the hell is a Necromancer??? I would be confident in breaking the game open if only I knew what the hell a Necromancer was.

Nachomamma8 · Wed Dec 25, 2013 12:25 am

I don't know, I'm going to look into that now.

I think that if anyone has anything to do with with the Anises beloved thing, they should claim now. I thought that it was from fferybork role (see baby I didn't forget you, I'll be with you soon) and it determined if the person was the same alignment as a dead player, so limited ability to crumb after death. That would make for limited crumbling after death, and would explain why the role went unexplained.

Nachomamma8 · Wed Dec 25, 2013 12:31 am

He could be scum, but there's nothing particularly damning in his ISO quite yet: only weird thing is myko-Kaze interactions which have them cross tunneling for a little while, then Kaze has his lynch pool as me+two of his scumbuddies at one point, then later his two scumbuddies drop out of his scumlist and he has two new consensus reads to replace them.

Nachomamma8 · Wed Dec 25, 2013 12:32 am

I would also like SakuraGiF to full claim because then it might clear things up a bit.

Nachomamma8 · Wed Dec 25, 2013 12:37 am

My paranoid om Sakura-GiF is probably shittier than my paranoia on Kaze, so I suppose full claiming isn't a big deal.

Nachomamma8 · Wed Dec 25, 2013 12:38 am

In post 1413, orcinus_theoriginal wrote:
In post 1412, Nachomamma8 wrote:I would also like SakuraGiF to full claim because then it might clear things up a bit.
Not yet please.
Nachomamma8 wrote:He could be scum, but there's nothing particularly damning in his ISO quite yet: only weird thing is myko-Kaze interactions which have them cross tunneling for a little while, then Kaze has his lynch pool as me+two of his scumbuddies at one point, then later his two scumbuddies drop out of his scumlist and he has two new consensus reads to replace them.
I was actually just reading over that and was thinking to myself "hmmm is this myko/nacho trying to find someone to go after because really and truly with all these claims they do need a target"

I would be in a pretty horrible position if scum, yeah. What do you think of my point that it makes no sense to confirm a day vig as town?

Nachomamma8 · Wed Dec 25, 2013 12:41 am

PITOLI
who do you think is scum?

Nachomamma8 · Wed Dec 25, 2013 12:45 am

In post 32, Kazekirimaru wrote:Fuzzylogic is town.

Right, Fuzzylogic? You got yourself a nice blue townie PM, right?

Reaction test seemed pretty decent, slight townread on it.

Nachomamma8 · Wed Dec 25, 2013 12:46 am

Also orcinus if you don't post I'm going to spam the fuck out of this thread and not even feel a tiny bit guilty about it

Nachomamma8 · Wed Dec 25, 2013 12:47 am

In post 64, Ms Marangal wrote:No fair

I hate you all.

Kaze, Orci, town

Tammy-town?

VOTE: Fuzzy

FOS: Decon Blue

Hi, Ffery who's you're partner?

Am I stupid to be paranoid of Mara calling Kaze and Orci her first confident townreads? Probably.

Nachomamma8 · Wed Dec 25, 2013 12:49 am

In post 79, Kazekirimaru wrote:You're town

fferybork leans scum kinda maybe

Mac leans scum

I'm inclined to read Mara as town for reading people in a similar fashion

Early townread on Mara for no actual reason.

Nachomamma8 · Wed Dec 25, 2013 12:50 am

In post 96, Kazekirimaru wrote:I suppose I just plain disagree.

It seems blatantly obvious to me that all of fuzzy's posts have been made with the express purpose of defending himself and not estranging any potential allies in the process. I think he's scum. And I'm starting to think I'm looking at scumffery, as well. I've seen you spin meta to make it look how you want- you did it to my posts in Newbie 1436 when we were scum. It's very solid-looking on the surface, but it all falls apart when you realize how much of it is subjective opinion and how it doesn't make sense when the individual posts are taken in context of their respective situations. I'm getting that same feeling here.

Comparing his past Scum meta to this game and giving him a pass for not being hedgy or calculated when he hasn't even taken stances(or lack of stances) on anyone yet just feels off. You're making comparisons where they're not applicable.

Tunneling the hell out of fuzzy is no big deal, but paranoia on ffery seems to be a pretty odd position for scumKaze to take.

Nachomamma8 · Wed Dec 25, 2013 12:53 am

In post 118, pitoli wrote:it's late and my brain is not working. The reason I don't feel great about comparing the two things:

ffery's answering for fuzzylogic serves to protect fuzzylogic
kaze's answering for orci (that didn't even friggin happen) serves to protect himself

Anyways to answer your original question, early on I liked Ffery's thoughts on why the "blue" test was bad because I had the exact same thoughts. Same thoughts as me = same alignment as me? Good enough for me right now. but who knows, her other head could come here and bork things up (sorry not sorry.)

I was going to call Kaze scum before since I had a bad knee-jerk reaction to his test, but I think I'm kind of cooling on that idea and I'm hoping he shows signs of listening to reason soon.

okay really sleep now.

I don't understand why pitoli wouldn't just vote Kaze if she didn't like his test and found it scummy. I guess she probably has a passive meta that I'm forgetting about, but too lazy and tired and delirious to look that up now.