Mini 1525: Tales of The Abyss Mafia GAME OVER!

[Kazekirimaru]

Ohai.

VOTE: Mac

Obvscum.

[Kazekirimaru]

Mac wagons don't go whack.

Doubleplusgood.

[Kazekirimaru]

hi guys

hi ffery

[Kazekirimaru]

Fuzzylogic is town.

Right, Fuzzylogic? You got yourself a nice blue townie PM, right?

[Kazekirimaru]

VOTE: FuzzyLogic

[Kazekirimaru]

VOTE: fuzzy

VOTE: FuzzyLogic

This test is bad and you should feel bad. A scum player would have broken a nail on their mouse button.

But it took me all of five seconds to come up with it! D:

I think it's scumfound. Why not you?

[Kazekirimaru]

But it's my understanding fuzzy is pretty new to forum mafia. I think noobscum could have easily fallen for that trap.

[Kazekirimaru]

I'm guessing it was broken by gaming the role pm like so.

May I have a link?

[Kazekirimaru]

Total conjecture, though. He agreed his role was blue and the townie role isn't blue. That's that.

[Kazekirimaru]

@ Kaze

I admit I fell for whatever trap this was suppose to be.. I saw PM and was thinking inbox. However this does not mean I am scum it means I scanned your message quickly and than responded. Anyone could of done this. This seems like lazy scum hunting at best and a scum trying to get an easy lynch on a newer ( and percieved weaker player) at worst. So tell me which one of these is your attempt.

@ Ornicus

How is being awkward scummy. This is saying that townies cant awkward....This seems like a huge stretched.

Now that I've trapped you you're trying to force a false dichotomy that I'm either lazy or scum? My goodness.

Tell me I'm completely off here, people. I dare you.

[Kazekirimaru]

Kaze is so town because he's early aggressive omgz

Yes, I am aware of my meta.

[Kazekirimaru]

No, I didn't like that test either, Kaze.

Why not?

And I didn't like this. Why not let Orci explain why you're town instead of running to the meta assumption?

That was to fferybork

[Kazekirimaru]

mac's alignment is more obvious than TIPs come page 20

What exactly does this mean?

[Kazekirimaru]

PM = Inbox, fuzzy. I don't even understand what you're going on about there.

[Kazekirimaru]

I suppose the test I administered is flawed in the way that it assumes the player is engaged enough to actually read the fucking thread.

I have a feeling I won't be swaying any votes based on that alone. But regardless of the test, fuzzy looks like scum to me. Complete defensive stance and trying to garner support for scumKaze in oblique OMGUS fashion. Feels bad, man.

[Kazekirimaru]

You're town

fferybork leans scum kinda maybe

Mac leans scum

I'm inclined to read Mara as town for reading people in a similar fashion

[Kazekirimaru]

I kinda like this post.

What is it that you like about 80, exactly? I personally really dislike it.

[Kazekirimaru]

Also, you say you find him to be town because his posts don't feel as hedgy this game, yeah? That's probably because he's spending so much time opining about his own play he hasn't really shifted his attention elsewhere. The only person he's casting any suspicion on is me, and most of his opinions have been akin to "I don't know if he's scummy."

How does that not sound hedgy to you, anyway?

And then there's the matter of his lack of scumhunting in general. Opining about his own play and all that I mentioned before. I really don't see how your ISO(though I appreciate that you took the time) absolves him of his scumminess.

[Kazekirimaru]

I suppose I just plain disagree.

It seems blatantly obvious to me that all of fuzzy's posts have been made with the express purpose of defending himself and not estranging any potential allies in the process. I think he's scum. And I'm starting to think I'm looking at scumffery, as well. I've seen you spin meta to make it look how you want- you did it to my posts in Newbie 1436 when we were scum. It's very solid-looking on the surface, but it all falls apart when you realize how much of it is subjective opinion and how it doesn't make sense when the individual posts are taken in context of their respective situations. I'm getting that same feeling here.

Comparing his past Scum meta to this game and giving him a pass for not being hedgy or calculated when he hasn't even taken stances(or lack of stances) on anyone yet just feels off. You're making comparisons where they're not applicable.

[Kazekirimaru]

Because it's totally possible someone wouldn't have thought "blue townie" was a literal description of the PM sitting in their inbox. I for one thought you were speaking figuratively so it's weird to me that you would jump on that and assume scum would try to be "in" on a role PM that could be easily verified by the OP.

How is the role PM verified by the OP? I don't see any example role PMs, do you?

[Kazekirimaru]

You may disagree with what I think about his posts. You may think I am dead wrong. But you are not being misled about what I think and why I think it. I've laid it out as clearly as I know how.

Alright, you're town. I tried to punch shallow holes in your case to see if you'd react poorly - you didn't. You sound genuine enough to me.

And with that, I'm willing to leave fuzzy alone for now.

My first scumread always turns out town, anyway ._.

Fair enough. I remembered seeing the town wincon and for some reason assumed the rest was there. But still, you don't think it's a possibility that Fuzzy was not taking you at face value when you said "blue"?

He could have.

People who are town: Pitoli, Mac, Fery

Hello friends

Why?

I haven't had a completed game with Kaze yet, but I feel like he's play is somewhat similar to Varsoon.

Is that a bad thing or something?

I liked this post, tbh.

What about it?

Why is ferybork leaning scum?

I forget. It's not the case anymore, though.

I am unsure about Kaze just yet because he seems like a good player and I am weary of reading them without meta backing

Don't let Kaze fool you, he's a scrub.

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Anyway, how about this?

VOTE: Mac

Kay, sounds good.

[Kazekirimaru]

VOTE: Mac

no.

plz?

Why no?

[Kazekirimaru]

Orcinus is town, Nacho.

Don't see why pitoli is gathering townreads. Mind explaining yours? Help me out.

[Kazekirimaru]

Orcinus is town, Nacho.

Don't see why pitoli is gathering townreads. Mind explaining yours? Help me out.

I quoted what she said that looked town.

That's enough for you, then? Alrighty.

[Kazekirimaru]

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Prohawk

choo choo

[Kazekirimaru]

That should be L-2.

[Kazekirimaru]

Either Tammy or Minami no Hana are the scum on this wagon. Maybe both.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Tammy

This works.

[Kazekirimaru]

Yep!

[Kazekirimaru]

Because Nacho started the wagon, and orcinus and I are town. I suppose Rufflig could be scum too but I'm not sure I feel it yet.

[Kazekirimaru]

The stars elongated by as it accelerated to lightspeed.

At this point in the game? I'd think scum would try to push someone who has already had suspicion cast upon them than just vote a 2-post wonder and call for more votes.

[Kazekirimaru]

I love how the person I voted started question-tunneling me.

You don't look nervous at all.

[Kazekirimaru]

Mkay, that was probably just my arrogance talking. Still! ^^

[Kazekirimaru]

Do you think it was a wagon intended for a lynch?

Depends on what intentions you're talking about.

Nacho's intention? Probably for pressure. But anyone else's intention is up for debate. It's hard to say whether is a wagon is purely an X wagon or a Y wagon or what have you since it's pushed by multiple people.

[Kazekirimaru]

You do realize that you were on that bandwagon, do you not?

What were your reasons?

Because Nacho told me to. And I like wagons.

Mkay. I feel better about my vote. Except you have a 100% better chance of flipping scum than I do.

If you're implying that's because you're town and he's scum technically he'd have an infinite percent better chance of flipping scum...

yeah never mind

[Kazekirimaru]

If you have a problem then out with it.

[Kazekirimaru]

If you have a problem then out with it.

I'm just gonna let that marinate.

Have fun with that.

[Kazekirimaru]

Bad for orci, good for me. I'm kinda decent at reading crazy ppl.

You're calling me crazy? ._.

[Kazekirimaru]

It absolutely was, and part of why I told him I was letting that marinate. The differences being, I was responding to a direct request from Nacho that I help him out with his wagon until I had a suspect to push, when he knew I didn't have any actual suspects because I said I hadn't read the game but skim and glaze over everyone's quote stripe walls. Also, I didn't then attempt to scum hunt the wagon I was on and claim people were scum for the exact same reasons I was on the wagon (though slightly different because I responded to a direct request and he was just bandgwagoning because Nacho had said it in general.) Hypocrisy isn't a scum tell necessarily, often just a deficiency in scumhunting, I'm interested in determining the difference.

Okay, then.

Do you think there was no scum on the wagon? If there were, who do you think it would be?

[Kazekirimaru]

@ Kaze
You seem to be atleast 99% sure that Orcinus is a nice blue townie ... Why do you feel so strong Orcinus is town
You said that No Hana or Tammy are scum.... Your explanation was not that great in my opinion. Could you go into more detals why you believe that one ( or possible Both) are scum

- Because Orcinus is town.

- I've pretty much explained to the best of my abilities.

Don't know, couldn't care less.

Wagon analysis before a flip is stupid. You're literally scumhunting on a wagon, you were on, for no reason, for someone you have no idea what their alignment is, because they joined the wagon for the same reason you did. You're not scumhunting the wagon; you're scattershot voting and making up a reason. The faster you admit that to yourself the better you'll be.

I'm voting for who I think scum is.

So am I making up reasons, or do I have no reasons? Am I scumhunting in your opinion, or aren't I? If I had no idea what your alignment is, why would I make up reasons?

This post is a clusterfuck, miss.

It's enough for me for now. What are your reads looking like?

They're very pretty, thanks for asking.

pitoli - leaning scum
Nachomamma8 - leaning town
orcinus_theoriginal - town
Ms Marangal - idk
Tammy - recipient of my loltunnel atm
Deacon Blues - tentative town read
MafiaSSK - idk
Minami no Hana - maybe scum
The Rufflig - looks like mislynch bait
ProHawk - maybe scum
TheFuzzylogic99 - newbtown
Mac - I don't remember

idc how strong or weak the difference is they're just bad
i'm having fucking convulsions right now

Why such grievances?

i could also vote kaze, possibly rufflig but im not too mad about it aaaand possibly orcinus. which saddens me

Except those are all townies. Feel bad about your reads. Bad!

Is orc town?

Yes.

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Anyway, I've gotten enough from Tammy, I think.

UNVOTE: Tammy

I was about to vote Mara but I'm pretty sure she just hasn't been on site in a while.

So, this'll work:

VOTE: pitoli

Sup, scum?

[Kazekirimaru]

Yo Kaze why is Rufflig mislynch bait

I think I have an argument for why Rufflig is scum and not antsytown

Mostly just a gut feeling.

Your thoughts on him?

[Kazekirimaru]

(Happy Scumday, by the way!)

[Kazekirimaru]

I really did hate his "Oh, I was townreading you" bit. That is my major point of contention with him at this moment.

I can see him as scum. Do you think he should be lynched today over anyone else, though? I'm liking tonnes of people for the noose toDay and he's not really high on my list.

[Kazekirimaru]

Kaze

Your answers feels kinda like scum trying to defend another scum buddies... Why should I not believe this is what happening
Please explain your scum read on Pit..

- Because I'm not scum.

- You'll hear all about it when pitoli responds to me.

[Kazekirimaru]

idc how strong or weak the difference is they're just bad
i'm having fucking convulsions right now

Why such grievances?

[Kazekirimaru]

I don't see it.

What towntells are they throwing off for you?

[Kazekirimaru]

I don't see it.

What towntells are they throwing off for you?

How many games have you played with either of them?

Zero, to my knowledge.

[Kazekirimaru]

I know I don't know how to read them, that's why I asked.

[Kazekirimaru]

Yeah except you've left me nothing to respond to? No case no nothing, only little hints here and there that you didn't agree with the chunk of players town reading me.

Let's play, Kaze~

Hi there!

- Why didn't you RVS vote?
- How do you feel about fuzzy now that he's played a bit more this game?
- What was with the "I wanted him to be scum"(referring to me) comment in 115?
- Do you have any actual reads?
- Why aren't you scumhunting?
- Who are your scumpartners? ;D

maybe it is me but Kaze seems a bit dodgy in the respect that never really answers the questions he asked. His answers kind of seem to be almost non answers. . He also seems to throw scum cases against people without much explanations ( his case against me being the exception)Even that was pretty weak

Kaze I am leaning heavily scum toward you.

Tell us why we should believe you are a townie???

I dunno. Because I'm town? If you don't think so then do something about it.

[Kazekirimaru]

My sensors have indicated a vote has been cast in my general direction.

Initiating response A: A picture of TNG-era Wil Wheaton

[Kazekirimaru]

this is the problem i'm having with ffery's meta-dive. i do actually have a slight town-lean on kaze now for his nonchalance about the thread so far, but i feel his scum game probably isn't going to be similar to his original scum games.

Mmm town-brand paranoia.

Mac might be town.

[Kazekirimaru]

I didn't like the ease that he picked two names to be scum from the wagon with (considering the wagon gave no information whatsoever based on who jumped on it)...

I did that, too. Yet you don't seem to give two licks about me.

[Kazekirimaru]

UNVOTE: Kaze

@ Tammy
Well everyone wants to hug me...Im like a giant possum errrr I mean Teddy Bear
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This game is giving me a headache...Cant make really head or tails between who is scum and whose a nice blue townie. Curse you scum for making it so hard.

So, did you get anything from that vote or...?

[Kazekirimaru]

I *probably* have more things to say than just about ProHawk.

We're spending a lot of time reading orcinus games. :/

Also consuming neurons wrt mara.

And wondering when the fuck SSK is going to post again.

Save yourselves the trouble since Orc is town :3

[Kazekirimaru]

why?

Kaze please talk to me about Orci - you've been hard defending him all game for reasons that aren't clear to me and I want to know what you're seeing.

Because I'm

Natalia Luzu Kimlasca-Lanvaldear

,

Town-Aligned Stalker

. I have quite the thing for Orc's role, apparently, and as such I've stalked him and know his rolename(which I shan't reveal) and alignment. Orc doesn't know this, though, as far as my role indicates.

Oh, and if Orc gets lynched I get mod-confirmed for some reason.

Kay?

[Kazekirimaru]

Well my role isn't exactly something that needs to stick around very long, so I figured why not?

Eh. I've never had a role like this before. I wasn't sure how to go about it.

Yolo?

[Kazekirimaru]

I really wish you hadn't done that but it's funny nonetheless

And by the way, I believe that you get mod-confirmed regardless of how I die

How's it funny?

I don't actually, there are specific cases where your death won't confirm me, but I won't reveal them.

Wait, why do you sound like you knew my role?

[Kazekirimaru]

So, now what?

[Kazekirimaru]

Let's synch reads really quick

I'm opposed to lynching fery, nacho, or any of the other big players today on principle.

I am not seeing scum pitoli and I don't think you're on the right track there

Talk to me about Mara, Rufflig, SSK and Prohawk

I'm fine leaving them alone.

Why is scumPitoli out of the question?

I don't have any prior experience with any of them, which makes reading them a bit difficult for me personally.

I don't like how mara is "struggling" this game yet was so vitriolic about shitplay earlier. I believe she's genuinely been sick, though.

Rufflig is probably town. They seem pretty legitimate.

SSK I have no idea. Lurky.

I'm inclined to think Prohawk is town based on his interations with Nacho.

I haven't meta'd any of them yet.

[Kazekirimaru]

Let's synch reads really quick

I'm opposed to lynching fery, nacho, or any of the other big players today on principle.

I am not seeing scum pitoli and I don't think you're on the right track there

Talk to me about Mara, Rufflig, SSK and Prohawk

I'm fine leaving them alone.

Why is scumPitoli out of the question?

I don't have any prior experience with any of them, which makes reading them a bit difficult for me personally.

I don't like how mara is "struggling" this game yet was so vitriolic about shitplay earlier. I believe she's genuinely been sick, though.

Rufflig is probably town. They seem pretty legitimate.

SSK I have no idea. Lurky.

I'm inclined to think Prohawk is town based on his interations with Nacho.

I haven't meta'd any of them yet.

[Kazekirimaru]

No actual reads, no scumhunting, uncharacteristically lurky.

[Kazekirimaru]

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Minami no Hana

Let's do stuff.

[Kazekirimaru]

GuyinFreezer and Sakura Hana = Minami no Hana

[Kazekirimaru]

What did you think of my claim, Sakura?

[Kazekirimaru]

Kaze does my action give you IC

Huh? What action?

Kaze, why?

For God and Country.

on the kaze issue, the one thing I found very strange was that he would be mod-confirmed town if I were to die by lynch. I am highly unlikely to be lynched.

It is what it is.

Yes, mostly townreads at the moment. Deacon Blues, Prohawk, Mac, and now you are up there. I'll get back to you when I've read more of the thread.

Please do.

I'm very broken up inside that you don't think this looks like scumhunting.

Sorry, but you haven't really taken many stances or asked many proactive questions this game. At all. Your work:post ratio is bad.

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Damn. I'm not sure who to push atm

[Kazekirimaru]

3) Actually they get to see a role of someone town, which has its pros even if its a role not worth night-killing. Aside from that Mafia-Goons aren't that util anyway.

I just noticed this.

I don't know Orc's actual abilities, just his rolename and alignment. So, no.

[Kazekirimaru]

Hmm

Your seem right. She doesnt seem to be scum hunting and her answers seems to be surface level.

what bothering me alot more is SSK lurking..... I cant figure if she is scum lurking or not . She also seems to be dodgy when she appears

I think I could vote either one of them. I think I need more time to thin it over

Or you could scumhunt. You know, ask them stuff.

[Kazekirimaru]

Apparently when playing with SSK all votes need to be accompanied with giant walls of text.

On other news I have real life issues and haven't been able to attend this game nor will be able to tomorrow (full day work on a Saturday FML), and giffy's sick so prob. wont see anything from us until Sunday.

PEd: Oh and apparently Tammy's worth asking "why" and we arent even worth asking "why" \:D/

Before you take off for the weekend, you guys mind telling me who your scumbuddies are?

How about this

Your comment about No Hana being a more active lurker makes no sense since she has posted alot more than you , have tried to scum hunt and tried to make reads. You answer came off as hypocritical and ungenuine. Your vote on me seems to be based on playstyle... which a better player would know not to do. Honestly this seems like an attack on me bc I questioned if you were scum and were possible going to vote for you. As for your excuse for not replacing out I just dont buy it.... Your vote on Hana seems like a bit of a stretch. Sorry but I am reading you as scum

VOTE: MafiaSSK

What a weird post. It's quite obviously bad, but I can't tell if it's scum-motivated badness or a townie genuinely trying to scumhunt.

Someone help me sort this?

actually

VOTE: ms. marangal

Pourquoi?

Ha~

You're not at all curious about why Tammy voted you?

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Every time someone says something related to fferybork's "tone" or "feel" being different this game I cringe a little.

It's a fucking hydra, people. It's not going to feel the same as its individual components.

[Kazekirimaru]

I just finished both a town and scum game for all you meta-loving masochists out there. ;D

[Kazekirimaru]

Livin' in the past, livin' in the past~

[Kazekirimaru]

SSK pretty much summed it up, but what really pinged me was that "Sorry, but I'm reading you as scum" line. Just, no. I almost voted you again right there.

[Kazekirimaru]

are you saying my reasoning is bad or that I did not explain myself well or both

Probably just the former. And it just sounds bad. If it weren't for the fact that I've already decided to leave you be for now I'd be pouncing on you like a newlywed Catholic.

[Kazekirimaru]

@ Kaze
You know I am town.....my argument might of been bad but you have a strong town read on me. That is why you left me alone. Plus you know that voting for me bc I said sorry would be a bit weak especially since it is clearly me trying to be nice.

Actually, no. I have a weak town read on you if a town read at all, I'm leaving you alone because I already decided to, and you saying sorry is bad no matter how you spin it.

Jedi mind tricks don't work on me.

(pitoli ISO)

Feel free to explain the townslips you see when you have the time.

[Kazekirimaru]

I've came around to TownTammy after that exchange. Mhmm.

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@ Pit
Understandable.... the fact is that I ask alot of questions.... this is how I play even my town game. I like to get all the info I can before I make an accusation. I gather info by acting question. And yes I am unfoccused however I am almost always unfocused. This is who I am. I not going to apologize for that. Being unfocused is one of the many hazard of being Fuzzy. I learned to deal with it in my own way.I can become focused if something gets my attention. You can see that in the way I post.

Scum slip?

How so?

I think I see it, too. I'll let Mara answer, though.

[Kazekirimaru]

@ Marangal
I guess I dont understand what you mean you by active lurking.... It just seemed like Mafia was lurking too but was trying to make out his lurking as ok while No Hana scummy. I found this suspicious and thought that he needed to justify his actions. As far as the three votes it felt like the vote was rushed to make him seem like he was trying to scum hunt. In other word I felt that he was trying to fake scum hunt to look town. I pressured me to put a vote on him and so I did.

Even you have to admit his scum claim on me was very weak an there were very little to read me as scum

As far saying im sorry , it was obvious that i was trying to be nice about my vote. Sorry but that is just my personality. I am just a nice person. Sometimes I admit i could be too nice. Too say that me saying sorry in front of my scum read like as I did as scummy is ridiculous .

To me you seem to sheeping a very weak claim and i kinda want to know why

You answers to Ruff seems aggressively dismissive. The fact is that part of the game is to answer questions even to those who are acusing you or even those who do not like you Pleas tell me why you think that you do not have to do this also?

Active Lurking = Being around and reading the thread while not posting, or Posts but doesn't really have anything worth reading in said post. In other words, fluff

His claim on you was weak, and I have my reasons to suspect him as well, however that doesn't mean there you aren't scum. There are more than enough reasons, I just don't like the ones stated in thread

I am not sheeping

and it's the truth. I'm not interested in interacting with Ruff. at least not at this point in time.

The whole point of the game is to find, and lynch scum as town and to be able to deceive town long enough to win the game and lynch enough townies as scum. There's nothing there that says I have to talk to every single person in the game, and having to many convo's going on at a single time can impede of the ultimate goal as either alignment

I find this a very odd statement coming from a townie.

What's odd about it?

[Kazekirimaru]

The whole point of the game is to find, and lynch scum as town

and to be able to deceive town long enough to win the game and lynch enough townies as scum.

Now, read it again. Better?

Syntax: More than just a good idea.

[Kazekirimaru]

again why would a townie need to tell us what a scum job is... Everyone here has played enough to know what a scum win con is. Not to mention the post seem extremely dodgy and defensive . To me this is saying I could be scum but I could be town and you are just suppose to let me alone to do whatever my win-con is

I'm having trouble believing you're serious.

Like, I've seen some pretty hard straw-grasping in my day, but goodness gracious...

[Kazekirimaru]

@ Kaze
Maybe it is me but you seem very defensive of Managal. I mean you seem to be dismissing my attacks on Marangal as if they had no merits at all

That is exactly what I'm doing. Because they don't.

[Kazekirimaru]

Someone convince me Fuzzy is just a derptown, please. Because I seriously want to see him hanged and I don't know if that's just spite talking or not.

[Kazekirimaru]

@ Kaze
You seem to believe Mara is town.... can you tell me why

It's not so much that I'm reading Mara as town as I'm finding everything you post to be nonsensical. Seriously. If I were a believer of utility lynches you'd be a great candidate simply because I don't want you anywhere near a LyLo/MyLo situation.

I need to look over your meta again. Or I guess Tammy is doing it. I'll probably do it as well, anyway.

[Kazekirimaru]

Heh. I only said that to stir you up and see how you reacted. Right now you're looking like a shining example of righteous indignation. I think I can clear you as town.

That said, your stances on mara are still silly. The fact of the matter is I'm pretty sure mara is smart enough to not accidentally say "lol I need to mislynch townies as town" while scum. If anyone said something to that effect I'd automatically assume I were reading the sentence wrong or they were being facetious. Things like that just don't really happen in a forum game where you have an extra barrier between your thoughts and projection of them.

[Kazekirimaru]

I'm willing to call ProHawk town, as well.

By Jove, I'm finally starting to solidify reads!

[Kazekirimaru]

I don't remember. What was it, again?

[Kazekirimaru]

Needs work.

[Kazekirimaru]

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Mara

[Kazekirimaru]

Well, that happened.

[Kazekirimaru]

Mac, tell me about the game.

[Kazekirimaru]

I don't think I wish to pursue a pitoli lynch at the moment.

I feel bad for whomever ends up trying to fix Mara's slot.

[Kazekirimaru]

Hello, myko.

I'm sorry you replaced into a scum slot.

[Kazekirimaru]

Hello, myko.

I'm sorry you replaced into a scum slot.

Don't be, I do well as scum replacing in.

uhm

what

[Kazekirimaru]

Hello, myko.

I'm sorry you replaced into a scum slot.

Don't be, I do well as scum replacing in.

uhm

what

idk, what doesn't make sense to you?

I just...nevermind. This almost sounds like a scumclaim but apparently I must be imagining it.

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I'm still not sure about the Rufflig wagon.

[Kazekirimaru]

i have cookies!

not sold on rufflig scum. would prefer pitoli and SSK over him atm, because i haven't really sorted him yet

Can you throw in a sold scumpitoli case with those cookes? I mean, she hasn't really been active, so I'm surprised you have her sorted out.

Don't think this post makes sense. He's basically throwing wagons he's not sure about. He's not sure about a lot of things, and if you understand what he meant with my meta, I'm proud of you, because I found it hard to understand.

Should we lynch it? ;D

VOTE: Pitoli

There's no shame in being afraid, Orc.

Why this vote? Why now?

[Kazekirimaru]

orc, tell me who to vote.

[Kazekirimaru]

Oh, hey, is that the first mention of multiball/other factions in this game?

I think it might be.

[Kazekirimaru]

Oh, hey, is that the first mention of multiball/other factions in this game?

I think it might be.

[Kazekirimaru]

Fuck it

VOTE: Rufflig

Give me a body to analyze.

[Kazekirimaru]

UNVOTE:

On second thought, there's still plenty of Day left, yeah?

[Kazekirimaru]

@ town
Supposing Ruff is lynched and flip scum.....would that clear Tammy in your opinion.

Bussing is a thing.

[Kazekirimaru]

I could lynch pitoli today.

I'd really rather not lynch Rufflig today.

I'm having trouble reading SSK, myself.

I'm not reading Nacho as town atm.

(My thoughts as of the last couple pages.)

[Kazekirimaru]

No. Kaze could be scum fakeclaiming. The thing that is bugging me is the comment about me lynching giving him mod-clear. That doesn't make sense.

How am I conftown if you have doubts? Come on, that doesn't make sense. What do I have to do to ease your doubts? I mean, hell, I can out your rolename if that's really what you want.

[Kazekirimaru]

@ Kaze
would outing jis role name... prove he is town .I am guessing the answer is prob not but I am curious?

Not answering.

who do you want to see with a noose around their neck ( ie lynched)

I could lynch pitoli today.

[Kazekirimaru]

Blah. This is bad. I feel like I could hop on almost anyone's wagon right now and that bothers me. I should have more solid reads on more people, but I don't.

[Kazekirimaru]

pitoli
Nachomamma8
orcinus_theoriginal - town
Mykonian
Tammy - probably town
Deacon Blues
MafiaSSK (1 prod)
Minami no Hana
The Rufflig - feels like mislynch bait
ProHawk
TheFuzzylogic99 - probably noob town
Mac
Kazekirimaru - derp

The rest I feel like I could lynch. That's like 2/3 the playerlist.

I have to be doing something wrong.

[Kazekirimaru]

I do second-guess a lot.

myko, why should we lynch fuzzy? Do you really think the bolded is a scumtell?

[Kazekirimaru]

I'm honestly giving him the benefit of the doubt there. He seems really...awkward. Foot in mouth a lot.

What do you think of his reactions to me in our brief exchange?(Started in 703, I think.)

[Kazekirimaru]

pitoli
Nachomamma8
orcinus_theoriginal - town
Mykonian
Tammy - probably town
Deacon Blues
MafiaSSK (1 prod)
Minami no Hana
The Rufflig - feels like mislynch bait
ProHawk
TheFuzzylogic99 - probably noob town
Mac
Kazekirimaru - derp

The rest I feel like I could lynch. That's like 2/3 the playerlist.

I have to be doing something wrong.

Any chance you could explain further your reads?

Orc is town because my role PM says so.
Tammy is town because of the exchange between her and Rufflig.
Rufflig just seems too easy. More of a gut thing.
fuzzy is town because of how he reacted to me calling his reads bad.

Mind explaining your reads a bit? Mainly how orc and I can possibly be different tiers?

[Kazekirimaru]

Orc is town and I'll whiteknight him to the ends of the Earth. Anyone calling him scum at this point is just derping.

[Kazekirimaru]

Fuckit.

I'm not voting the wagon nacho and ssk are on.

VOTE: Rufflig

Kazzzzzzeeeeeeeee

orrrrrrrrrrrcccccccc

[Kazekirimaru]

Nacho, pitoli, myko

^ preferred lynchpool

[Kazekirimaru]

And yet there goes your vote, orc.

[Kazekirimaru]

i will refuse to lynch nacho, i have a hardon for nacho-town right now.

NO MAC

DON'T BE DECEIVED

YOU'RE SLEEPING IN HIS BED OF LIESSSSS

[Kazekirimaru]

You should totally vote pitolinachomyko instead. We can be votepals. <3

I just realized I have no idea where my vote is right now.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: myko

Just in case.

PEdit: But...Mac...I have a Bad Feeling™ about him.

[Kazekirimaru]

I just did a cursory metadive on Myko to see if I'm on the right track about this push. Checked out Micro 233, TM2102, and Newbie 1310 among others.

Myko posts quite often as town, usually being the most active/2nd. most active in the game, even in games where he replaces in halfway/has large gaps of inactivity. This is partially due to his tendency to post multiple times in a row as town. ScumMyko is significantly less active, preferring to quote-stripe rather than reply in multiple posts. TownMyko generally has a cheery disposition, often speaking pleasantries to people he's familiar with, happily fluffing on occasion. ScumMyko is much more serious and terse, getting down to business as soon as he hits the thread. TownMyko also appears to frequently use Smilies whereas ScumMyko almost never uses them. TownMyko also appears to reach out a bit for support on wagons/opinions on other players a bit more than ScumMyko does - ScumMyko rather takes a more "My reads are better than yours so follow me you derp" attitude. That's not to say he doesn't do this as both alignments, just far more as Scum than Town.

I'm by no means fantastic at Meta-reading, nor am I willing to base an entire read around Meta, but considering that Myko appears to be playing to his scum meta(along with the fact that Mara was scumming up the slot beforehand) I'm feeling incredibly confident about this push now.

So, yeah. Lynch him.

[Kazekirimaru]

Look at you! <3

Do you have links to the games you meta'd?

Heh. Aren't you proud? ^^

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=83&t=31352

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=54&t=21914

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=50&t=24407

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=84&t=23928

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=84&t=23781

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=53&t=23295

Micro 65 and 76 are a bit anomalous - Myko takes a bit more of an apathetic stance as he appears to have been considering taking a break around this time. Some of the same patterns are prominent, though.

I'd not mind a second set of eyes since it's entirely likely I'm just seeing what I want to see.

[Kazekirimaru]

To be fair, everything you say sounds weird.

[Kazekirimaru]

But, guys, what about lynching Myko ._.

[Kazekirimaru]

This wagon can go the distance!

[Kazekirimaru]

Pretty please?

[Kazekirimaru]

Mac, help me salvage this Myko wagon. Bale water whilst we ford the river!

[Kazekirimaru]

Seriously, guys. Mara's play was scummy and Myko's certainly didn't do the slot much better. I put down a metacase and Myko shrugs it off with the most uninspired "ehh, I just play how I feel. That means nothing" defense I've ever seen. Have you ever seen a townie that cavalier about being accused? Not an ounce of indignation? He's not even trying! Practically laughing me off.

What do I have to do to get you guys to see where I'm coming from?

[Kazekirimaru]

Shove your textwalls into an orifice of your choosing.

Fucking FUCK

I bet you think you're so clever. With your fucking walls. Blatantly admitting to handwaving my case away. Mocking my scumhunting and calling my case poor. Ugh.

Whatever. I'm used to people not listening to me. I'm sure Fuzzy or some other lynchbait will get the hammer towards deadline and we'll have a pisspoor start like most games do. I don't even care anymore. Today is a wash as far as I'm concerned.

[Kazekirimaru]

That nacho suggestion looked like it implied the knowledge of a scum encryptor

I don't think that's Normal.

[Kazekirimaru]

That nacho suggestion looked like it implied the knowledge of a scum encryptor

I don't think that's Normal.

Never mind. It is.

[Kazekirimaru]

where do we want my vote today

[Kazekirimaru]

I don't think I'll do that.

Playing against my win condition and all that jazz.

Do you think I'm scum, Myko?

[Kazekirimaru]

@ kaze
how sure are you about your scum read on Myko

Very. Not that it matters atm since nobody will listen. Except I guess you.

meow meow meow

im a cat

[Kazekirimaru]

Three days to deadline.

This game is hardcore stagnating.

[Kazekirimaru]

I have trouble thinking of anything notable minoha did this game. Simply can't think of anything. That's a poor thing right there. If you want to put that into something concrete, consider the interaction with nacho a couple days back where suddenly the dancing topic came up again with nacho. Yes it's fun, but it means they didn't move on from the start of the game. So rather that than ssk who has reads that I can understand rather then what some other people post about here.

Yeah okay let's push a lurker to a lynch

you know it's likely to go through since we're so close to deadline

[Kazekirimaru]

And then when they flip town you get to shrug your shoulders and say "well, they weren't doing anything productive anyway"

gah

[Kazekirimaru]

Why would I care if you're a vig or not?

Where did that come from?

[Kazekirimaru]

You'd be shooting a townie.

Of course, I'm not surprised scum would shoot a townie.

And if you were town and would seriously shoot someone who claimed a role that's in-thread confirmable then you're just awful.

[Kazekirimaru]

Pardon?

[Kazekirimaru]

I had missed the whole claim thing people were talking about.

And I don't like the way you post, the reads you have, the motivation behind your posts in the time that I'm playing here.

Oh well.

[Kazekirimaru]

Are you scum?

[Kazekirimaru]

Yes, totally

In all seriousness tho, is that all you wanna ask?

Coke or Pepsi?

Do you like pandas?

What's your favourite beatmap?

Have your reads changed at all?

What do you think of Myko stating he wishes he could vig me?

[Kazekirimaru]

Mkay.

I felt like being frivolous.

[Kazekirimaru]

Deadline in 18 hours.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: MafiaSSK

Wish I could say I were surprised.

[Kazekirimaru]

I'd think if he were to be mod-confirmed town it would be a bit more succinct.

Plus I doubt there is another slot that confirms a townie on death since we already have one of those.

Not sure what to make of the nightkill.

[Kazekirimaru]

Raise your hands if you're willing to reconsider my case on Myko today.

Anyone?

[Kazekirimaru]

I'll get to this later. Baking snickerdoodles.

In the meantime Orc I'd love to hear what has you displeased with Myko/night stuff, and your thoughts on ProHawk('s case) whenever you have the chance.

[Kazekirimaru]

Erm.

Probably because of that death thing.

[Kazekirimaru]

If my role PM didn't say you were town I'd be all over you for what looked like a fake-as-hell townslip, no joke.

[Kazekirimaru]

Town

Kaze & Orci
Tammy
ProHawk
Mac
-------
pitoli
Myko
-------
Fuzzy
Nacho
Rufflig
SakuraGiF

Not so Town

Scumread positions interchangeable.

Mm. Hither.

VOTE: Minami no Hana

Rufflig likely scum with them.

[Kazekirimaru]

Orci, vig fuzzy. There is zero reason for a townie to speculate about Lovers.

Hi, Nacho. Still not scum.

[Kazekirimaru]

I think there were questions

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Mara

Kaze, why did you vote Mara here and why did you think she was scum after the meltdown?

I thought the meltdown was fake. Still kinda do, though less sure.

I don't think I wish to pursue a pitoli lynch at the moment.

I feel bad for whomever ends up trying to fix Mara's slot.

And yet you were pushing pitoli earlier, weren't you? Why did you stop pushing her?

I forget.

[Kazekirimaru]

@ The Original

I know that You are Asch the Bloody. It was pretty easy to figure out. The vig role does not make 100 % sense but from what I learned from deathnote the game sometimes is not always what it seems . There were a bunch of oddly placed PR in that game.. . I prefer you do not kill me however if you do than it will confirm my some of my reads so it wont be a total useless death. I think Pit would be the best choice. It would clarify the field as well as he the scummiest at the moment.

@ No Hana
Are you making a cop claim

wait a second WHAT THE FUCK IS GOING ON

MY ROLE PM SAYS ORCI IS A DIFFERENT ROLE THAN THIS

[Kazekirimaru]

Orci you need to get in here and explain this discrepancy to me.

[Kazekirimaru]

Are you telling me that that was speculation and not an actual rolecop result?

[Kazekirimaru]

Holy ever loving fuck, Fuzzy. You don't just say things prefaced with "I know" unless you have results. I was about to go on a bloody crusade against either you or Orci.

[Kazekirimaru]

I like Tammy for town and I'm not so sure on Myko anymore after the flip. I was a bit worried about Myko since fferybork said they'd meta Myko and ended up dead before they had the chance but I decided that was probably not the reason for the NK.

[Kazekirimaru]

I think I'll want to lynch fuzzy all game long, and seen your enthusiasm, that's how long it's going to take.

Like I said, if Orci is a vig, I want Fuzzy shot.

[Kazekirimaru]

In what universe would it be okay to speculate about Lovers, Fuzzy?

[Kazekirimaru]

Pourquoi, Orci?

[Kazekirimaru]

Need to check if fruit vendors can be anti town...

this should not be your line of thinking

Why not? It's a double checking sort of thing for a role that essentially exists to confirm itself - its utility isn't town or scum inherently.

I don't think scum fruit vendors are completely unheard of, but the claim probably does help the town a little; every person with a confirmable role makes it easier for us to figure out the setup.

I think instead of "is fruit vender town" the question is "is she a fruit vender"

3) Actually they get to see a role of someone town, which has its pros even if its a role not worth night-killing. Aside from that Mafia-Goons aren't that util anyway.

I just noticed this.

I don't know Orc's actual abilities, just his rolename and alignment. So, no.

@ The Original

I know that You are Asch the Bloody. It was pretty easy to figure out. The vig role does not make 100 % sense but from what I learned from deathnote the game sometimes is not always what it seems . There were a bunch of oddly placed PR in that game.. . I prefer you do not kill me however if you do than it will confirm my some of my reads so it wont be a total useless death. I think Pit would be the best choice. It would clarify the field as well as he the scummiest at the moment.

@ No Hana
Are you making a cop claim

wait a second WHAT THE FUCK IS GOING ON

MY ROLE PM SAYS ORCI IS A DIFFERENT ROLE THAN THIS

hello

again.

Have you words to say? I'm rather bad at picking up on hints.

[Kazekirimaru]

I dont mind claiming.... I am Noir leader of the Darkwing circus. I am a town alligned neighbor. I dont know if my partner(s) want to claim or not.

So town has a neighborhood now, too?

uhm

Fuzzy, do you know the alignments of your neighbors or no?

[Kazekirimaru]

I find it hard to believe that the game can be so easily PoE'd.

With 11 players left we have a neighborhood with one or more other people in addition to Orci being mod-confirmed town to me and Tammy being a fruit vendor?

lol?

[Kazekirimaru]

I don't see the discrepancy between the statements. My role PM states your rolename and alignment. According to my PM, your rolename is not the name Fuzzy guessed you were.

Am I wrong or is he wrong? Are you Asch the Bloody?

[Kazekirimaru]

I don't see the discrepancy between the statements. My role PM states your rolename and alignment. According to my PM, your rolename is not the name Fuzzy guessed you were.

Am I wrong or is he wrong? Are you Asch the Bloody?

I am not.

Why would you take anything fuzzy said to heart.

I'm just trying to understand what you're getting at, is all.

[Kazekirimaru]

I'm for the massclaim at this point.

[Kazekirimaru]

I'm for the massclaim at this point.

I'm a little hesitant.

I'd usually be a little hesitant myself(lord knows I don't want 1522 to happen again) but with all these confirmable roles presumably around and the high probability of either a PoE solve or some serious malarkey being spread, I think this is the way to go.

[Kazekirimaru]

One of these things is not like the others.

One of these things just doesn't belong.

[Kazekirimaru]

So you legitimately got an innocent result on Fuzzy?

Why'd you cop him?

[Kazekirimaru]

Yessum pardon me.

Mm.

So, you two are the same alignment for sure

or he's a godfather.

I'm inclined to think the former.

[Kazekirimaru]

Or you're just faking, that too.

[Kazekirimaru]

I dunno, guys. I'm leaning on the "nope" end of the scale.

[Kazekirimaru]

A hider and a 1-shot cop

I just can't even

[Kazekirimaru]

You doubt the likelyhood of a false-positive with a 1-shot cop around, then?

[Kazekirimaru]

@Prohawk:

- I've been kicking the idea of Bastard Mod around this whole game. I've just been super paranoid. When I heard Fuzzy say "I know you're Asch the Bloody" my first thought was "Shit, maybe Orci is a Mafia GF and my role is lying." if that gives you any insight about my thoughts at the time.

- And yeah I've been using rolename and character name synonymously. Sorry. I know Orci's CHARACTER name and his alignment. Mkay?

[Kazekirimaru]

@ Kaze
Simple answer is that I dont know their alignment and one could be scum. I however doubt it.

So there is more than two.

[Kazekirimaru]

A 3+ player neighborhood in the midst of all this. Goodness.

[Kazekirimaru]

Wait, Myko isn't your top scum read anymore?

Kaze-senpai please notice me

Sorry.

No.

[Kazekirimaru]

Out your neighborhood.

We can scumhunt in there.

[Kazekirimaru]

@ Kaze
I feel that that would be the wrong thing to do

Neighbor is a negligible role. It's not like you're Masons or anything.

[Kazekirimaru]

Implying that Fuzzy is not the scum we're looking for??

He is in the neighborhood, yeah?

[Kazekirimaru]

Anything is possible in a theme game.

Your question insinuates your neighborhood consists solely of protagonists, eh?

[Kazekirimaru]

My goodness. Fuzzy. There is a neighborhood with at least three members. Chances are astonishingly good there is at least one scum among them. The neighborhood has to be the lynchpool today. Out with it or I'll be inclined to think the scum is you.

You don't have to tell us their character names. Just who the hell is in the neighborhood?

[Kazekirimaru]

@ Kaze
I feel that that would be the wrong thing to do

i will literally flashwagon you if you don't out your neighbor right now.

You have a gun and a threat to make. Use gun y/y?

[Kazekirimaru]

[quote="In post 1557, Kazekirimaru]The neighborhood has to be the lynchpool today.

All fine and good with the hood being outed, but this statement makes me

really

uncomfortable.[/quote]
Obviously it doesn't 100%

have

to be the lynchpool it's just the optimal play. If someone outside the neighborhood starts acting beyond-all-doubt scummy by all means lynch ahoy. But, yeah. This is a good idea.

PEDIT:

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Fuzzy

Either you lied about the neighborhood or you're the scum of said neighborhood, then. You really should have learned if you got threatened by Kuribo in the past.

Remember that one of those you are giving your "loyalty" to is probably scum. You're willing to die for a group whose alignments you don't even know. What the fuck ever.

[Kazekirimaru]

Makes him seem a bit more interesting than a VT. I dunno. Yeah, probably not. Still doesn't change the fact that he should out with his neighborhood.

[Kazekirimaru]

If any of Fuzzy's neighbors wish to save him the trouble and out the rest, feel free.

[Kazekirimaru]

@ Kaze
Funny you act like you know what we talked about in the QT. To be honest it was brought up in the QT. WE had quite a discussion about it. You will read it once the game is over and the QT is open. Anyways I do not feel that either party was lying. Both seem very genuine. From the convos which is quite legnthy I do not feel that they are scum. I do not feel my loyalty is misplaced

I'm going to slap you through the internet.

[Kazekirimaru]

So I make a giant fucking case against you and point out a lot of problems with my play and all you can say is "oh hi Nacho, still not scum!". What kind of bullshit is that?

Eh. You're wrong and that's all there is to it. I don't really feel like I need to defend against your whatever.

You thought... This was a bastard mod game when someone claimed a different name on Orc? You didn't assume the person who claimed was lying out of their ass? Because that's what I would believe.

Well, we apparently don't think the same way.

Okay we have been bouncing names around but ORC names has yet to be spoken..Either Kaze or York needs to reveals Orcs name or role or I will consider him as scum.

I'm not outing Orci. It's his prerogative.

[Kazekirimaru]

I am York, Miller Neighbor.
Mac and Fuzzy can back me up on that.

So we have a neighborhood with a claimed Miller, a lurker, and a guy who's been rolefishing Orci and speculating about town lovers.

Well fuck.

[Kazekirimaru]

You think I'm wrong and not desperate scum looking for a mislynch?

Either or. Of my not town reads you're the most town of them. Or you were until you claimed Miller. Parsing that out atm

[Kazekirimaru]

Having a false-positive role with a mere 1-shot cop in tow sounds unlikely to me.

[Kazekirimaru]

@ kaze.. what a giant piece of hypocysy.. You want me to oust my neighbors..even threaten me and when you do it it is okay. Thats kinda bull man

THERE IS A DIFFERENCE BETWEEN OUTING A NEIGHBORHOOD AND OUTING A CHARACTER NAME YOU TWAT

[Kazekirimaru]

oh god that's what it means

that's why my role specified that I'd only get modconfirmed town in the event of an orci lynch

>.<

[Kazekirimaru]

Orci are you planning on using your ability today?

[Kazekirimaru]

On nacho?

[Kazekirimaru]

And you're going to die...?

[Kazekirimaru]

i love you too, orci.

to the grave we depart together

<3

[Kazekirimaru]

wait what lol

You exploded, right?

[Kazekirimaru]

I love you, Luke Fon Fabre. I can't go on without you. <3

[Kazekirimaru]

i retracted my action for the time being

uh

you can...do that...?

[Kazekirimaru]

fuck no stop the madness

Nacho is scum, Orci. You have to bomb him.

[Kazekirimaru]

You are such a plebe, Nacho.

[Kazekirimaru]

I'm not even being subtle anymore and you're still too dense to pick up what I'm putting down.

[Kazekirimaru]

You can't twist this enough, can you?

Orci, you have to do it.

[Kazekirimaru]

I don't know about myko anymore, as I've stated. Read the thread.

[Kazekirimaru]

Your claim is not legitimate. Not in a game with a 1-shot cop. You're not a miller. You're the Scum of the neighborhood. You NK'd fferybork. It makes sense to me. Atop of that everything is just awful feels and you're attempting to twist my words into a scumclaim and pretend like not caring about cases is somehow a scumtell. You're bad and you should feel bad.

[Kazekirimaru]

I just didn't really feel like arguing at the time because lazy.

And now I really don't feel like arguing because you're scum.

So.