Mini 1525: Tales of The Abyss Mafia GAME OVER!

[Minami no Hana]

VOTE: Mara
For not feeding her cat properly

Wait. I'm supposed to be in hydra.
Meh ill quote it later.

As I promised!

[Minami no Hana]

well since I am new to this site and do not know peoples playing style my vote will be random for the time being. Round 1 usually a guess anyways unless the mafia or werewolf player does something obvious to draw atention to themselves. Saying that

Vote Gnomeo

no

pls

do not remind me of this game

you have no idea how much headache I had from this game

fkj;klfdjas;lfjs;alfsf

but yeah. He being careful is not a scummy move.

[Minami no Hana]

It's not like it was a towntell in the first place ♫

[Minami no Hana]

And I was wondering why the sig didn't show.

[Minami no Hana]

I admit my opening is awkward ..... This is bc I am trying to find my voice ( style) . I am a goofy/ easy going guy so my openings are more than likely from now on going to be goofy and awkward.

As-far as my question it was to help figure out the vote on Mac ( ie is the vote leaning toward being scummy or being town). Unless it is a RVS or a joke vote, I feel a bit suspicious toward him.

@ No Hana
Come on it wasn't that bad.....

Oh it WAS bad...
It was the game I faked a townslip as town in order to get out of the dreadful "You scumslipped" argument and claimed scum as town just to give town an extra chance to actually win instead of a draw (even though the draw happened in the end.)
Which is yet another game that contributes to my "I hate multiball".
(And ironically enough, I think that game was my epitome of my towngame. Not because of my reads, though. It was pretty horrible until the lategame.)

I am actually voting fuzzy less for the role PM thing than for being just really awkward in general

How are you fery

I was gonna ask if you thought that even after fery's first meta point, but I guess it's an obsolete question now.

I like kaze.

I have so much work the next few days

I do too!
I haven't had a completed game with Kaze yet, but I feel like he's play is somewhat similar to Varsoon.

I dont know if Kaze is scummy....thats what I am trying to figure out. As far as his " attack" on me I dont find it nessarily scummy though I find it worth scrunity. I have been in
a couple game where scum have used my newness as way to get an easy lynch. This might not be the case but I think I should make sure.

I liked this post, tbh.

mac's alignment is more obvious than TIPs come page 20

I'm surprised you're willing to give Tammy a townread based on one post when you said a while ago that she slipped past you the last game

But she had a question mark at the end, though?

@ Orcinus

This is how I see it....if he is town than he set up a test that was weak in order to catch scum or at

least try to look like he trying to catch scum

. If he is scum he set up a trap to ensnare a townie. I can not see any other possibility. If there are I am willing to listen . I admit I might have a narrow perspective on this bc I am involved. Still I am not unwilling to listen for rational explanations.

second off I have played several games so I know all roles comes in in your inbox. This includes town roles , scum roles and third party roles. To say that that i am scum bc I answered his question without saying that town do not get their message in their inbox and not through PM is just ridiculous. Not to mention the thing about the blue townie. Than to push it as absolute fact that I scum bc of this is scummy. Maybe I dont have the experience of playing with Kaze to know if this is his norm but from my experience this seems very suspicious . I guess it is him pushing this idea more than the test to be scummy ....especially since the test results have been proven unreliable.

It does not seem he has much of a case so he pushing the idea that I am scum based on a test . it feels like he keep repeating the same thing over and over again hoping it will stick.



Also....

being awkward is not really a alignment sign as far as I can tell but I am willing to hear why you think so


@ The Mrs
Why do you think Kraze is town
Why do you think I am scum

Thank you

No town would have this motive, though.

You're town

fferybork leans scum kinda maybe

Mac leans scum

I'm inclined to read Mara as town for reading people in a similar fashion

Why is ferybork leaning scum?

Your FoS is dumb.

Dumb0town, or dumb-scum?

Hmm...

Fuzzy, reads?

My first reaction was to think "scum". But, I've been scum in several of our recent completed games together so maybe you've forgotten what town-me looks like. Or maybe town-me has changed.

I don't have enough data to read you yet.

Speaking of town-you, it evolved quite a bit.
Your town-ego has went up, and your general snarkiness has went up!

Other than the Sangres games, we havn't had played town together, I don't think and in those games it was more reading nacho than reading you

*cough*Narnia*cough*

No, I didn't like that test either, Kaze.

Why not?

Because it's totally possible someone wouldn't have thought "blue townie" was a literal description of the PM sitting in their inbox. I for one thought you were speaking figuratively so it's weird to me that you would jump on that and assume scum would try to be "in" on a role PM that could be easily verified by the OP.

And I didn't like this. Why not let Orci explain why you're town instead of running to the meta assumption?

That was to fferybork

Mmm yeah that's m'bad.

I am not surprised to see hedginess from a newbie. The part I don't like, however, is that Fuzzylogic seems to be repeating "you are observing X about me, and saying X is scummy. however, town can also do X" and yeah zzzzzzz

That looks more like an playstyle issue.

fery if you're manipulating me here i'll kill you

i think you are town though

unvote

for now.

one thing that's annoying me is that you didn't let fuzzy react to my vote before jumping straight into his meta, ffery. i would've expected you to do your research and wait, but you pretty much gave fuzzy a get out of jail free card which he took advantage of. how come?

kaze's vote is poor. mainly because the gambit itself was bad.

Total conjecture, though. He agreed his role was blue and the townie role isn't blue. That's that.

stretching like mad here. he agreed he was town, not that his role PM was blue.

I've seen town blithely ignore rolecard colors way too often to put any stock in it as a test.

hyrule newbie actually sprung to mind here... like it always does

Kaze is so town because he's early aggressive omgz

Yes, I am aware of my meta.

And I didn't like this. Why not let Orci explain why you're town instead of running to the meta assumption?

if you didn't like this, how did you feel about ffery early on? see the first past of this post for what I mean.

and Mac is weird

hey

If you were gonna point out fery intercepting with meta points, why not bring up then?
Speaking of fery, I can't think of a game where I was town and fery was scum. Not even one game. O.O

And re: Kaze, I think he just got over-excited with his "test".

People who are town: Pitoli, Mac, Fery

Hello friends

+orci, Kaze

Dunno about Mac.
Hello orci

So far, everyone who I have fair enough experience with and posted met my expectation, except Mara. But then, it's been forever since my completed game with Mara.

[Minami no Hana]

Where's nacho

[Minami no Hana]

Oh also slight townlean on MafiaSSK for this post:

Mac wagons don't go whack.

(Call me a hypocrite. I don't care.)

[Minami no Hana]

The one and only!

[Minami no Hana]

Aw hell. I'm out of my dark chocolate covered pomegranates.
I feel like crying D:

[Minami no Hana]

This stuff soooo good

/fluff

[Minami no Hana]

gif put down a vote somewhere i will sheep you

Not Giffy this time sorry!
But i do want to put a vote down somewhere.

Vote: Nacho

Come and dance with me already.

Haven't synched with Giffy yet because he didnt tell me the game had begun :<
But my current townreads of varying strengths are deacon, kaze and orc. So trusting the metadive on fuzzylogic for the time being even tho he's just really weird to me.

[Minami no Hana]

Yup this is the nacho I know, also since I don't have any better scumreads for the time being and im swarmed with work at home shenanigans i'll sheep you for the time being.

Unvote
Vote: Prohawk

Because i'm interested in that "You'll see"

[Minami no Hana]

Ok, so I missed a bunch.

Regarding "blue townie", my first thought was Kaze was role fishing. Some mods do use blue for town PRs. Kaze's later posts give me the feeling that this wasn't the case. His postings have grown on me a bit.

Much as I didn't like the blue townie trap, Fuzzy reacted badly to it. A town Fuzzy should have known he hadn't scum slipped when the votes suddenly came at him. The fact that he took those votes so seriously gives me pause. I'm going to be keeping an eye on him awhile longer.

Deacon is town telling. I don't like Deacon's heavy reliance on meta, but he is definitely putting in the effort. Deacon reminds me quite a bit of pitoli (who I am more familiar with).

I just got out of a game with pitoli - he wears his towniness on his sleeve for all to read. I would be very sad to learn that pitoli can fake this. I haven't seen his scum game, but I bet it isn't as good.

I still can't read Nacho for much more than beans, but I'm willing to give Prohawk some attention.

VOTE: Prohawk

L - 1

VOTE: The Rufflig

[Minami no Hana]

can someone please unvote?

unvote

someone actually on the wagon?

lol

[Minami no Hana]

Haven't read the game.

Here. Have some incentive to do so.

VOTE: Tammy

Actually, I kinda like this post.

I'm also up for MafiaSSK, if anyone wants to go a hunting off wagon.

why?

[Minami no Hana]

Actually, I kinda like this post.

for the attitude*

[Minami no Hana]

Do you know why the Prohawk wagon took off in the first place?

Yes

If you know that, you can understand why I'm up for a MafiaSSK wagon and why I'm also all right with your wagon.

I can't.

Well, it is a serious vote now and you've provided plenty of reasons for it.

What reasons?

Well, it is a serious vote now and you've provided plenty of reasons for it.

Mkay. I feel better about my vote. Except you have a 100% better chance of flipping scum than I do.

You do realize that you were on that bandwagon, do you not?

What were your reasons?

Because Nacho told me to. And I like wagons.

Mkay. I feel better about my vote. Except you have a 100% better chance of flipping scum than I do.

If you're implying that's because you're town and he's scum technically he'd have an infinite percent better chance of flipping scum...

yeah never mind

You do realize that you were on that bandwagon, do you not?

What were your reasons?

Because Nacho told me to. And I like wagons.

But isn't that what you were doing with ProHawk vote?

I am voting with you in spirit, tammy.

That's discouraging. I was town reading you.

Ok this is bad.

[Minami no Hana]

Hmm I was thinking of doing something but I forgot. I'll give it a few minutes to see if I can remember or not.

[Minami no Hana]

Oh I remembered

Scumometer (tm)
Kazekirimaru<Deacon Blues<orcinus_theoriginal<TheFuzzylogic99<Nachomamma8<Tammy<MafiaSSK<pitoli<Mac<ProHawk<Ms Marangal<The Rufflig

The order of strength varies.

[Minami no Hana]

Unanswered questions:

why is it giving you a townlean?

It's not like it was a towntell in the first place ♫

Oh also slight townlean on MafiaSSK for this post:

Mac wagons don't go whack.

(Call me a hypocrite. I don't care.)

Is that a bad thing or something?

Bad for orci, good for me. I'm kinda decent at reading crazy ppl.

What about it?

General tone. (More elaborate way to say "gut")

[Minami no Hana]

It is always nice to give fery a psychological shock once in a while!

[Minami no Hana]

Oh ok.
I didn't know what "marinate" meant.

[Minami no Hana]

The order of strength varies.

I put this for a reason, you know.

[Minami no Hana]

just AAAAAAAa
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

[Minami no Hana]

Oh. Come to see my scumometer, I misplaced MafiaSSK.

Kazekirimaru<Deacon Blues<orcinus_theoriginal<TheFuzzylogic99<Nachomamma8<Tammy<pitoli<Mac<MafiaSSK<ProHawk<Ms Marangal<The Rufflig

There it is.

[Minami no Hana]

GIF is in the flower hydra?

And I'm here too.

Is this the part where I get to yell at you for not reading me correctly on Monks and Masons despite saying that you can read me like a book?

[Minami no Hana]

@GiFSakura how about some reads

Oh. Come to see my scumometer, I misplaced MafiaSSK.

Kazekirimaru<Deacon Blues<orcinus_theoriginal<TheFuzzylogic99<Nachomamma8<Tammy<pitoli<Mac<MafiaSSK<ProHawk<Ms Marangal<The Rufflig

[Minami no Hana]

that 'Ima quote my half-game old reads' post does not seem town motivated.

Those were GiF's reads though, I was expecting him to come and explain them for me but that post just now makes me think it's not likely.

[Minami no Hana]

Can you provide YOUR reads and why you think that way?

Sure.

GiF's town.



No really that was a joke, anyway as for my reads.

Rufflig: Leaning Scum, I didnt like his vote hoping everytime someone did as much as suspect him, and his vote on prohawk seemed opportunistic (bus?)
prohawk: Scum, Don't like his attitude this game, but then again i didnt like him in xenologue either and he was town, so i'm letting Nacho deal with him, besides, GiF wants our vote to be on Rufflig.
Mara: Null, because idk wth is she thinking atm, she's doing nothing for me to work with, just a vote...
You: Leaning Town, tho i'm not sure what you're asking everyone's reads for, unless you're planning on doing that big towntell of yours (or you just remembered why i thought you were scum for in that newbie game and refined your scum game for that?).
Kaze: Null, I think im not able to read Kaze at all
orc: Leaning Town, so far he seems like someone that wants to contribute in general.
Mac: Leaning Town, I like his posts so far, specially his interactions with the other players.

Now you asking reads out of everyone is causing me to be paranoid because on that newbie game where you were scum I had to ask you to do trajectory analisis and that's what in the end made me think you were scum, and idk if you're doing this for the towntell or because of your trajectory from that game.

[Minami no Hana]

I actually forgot what the other head was... who was it?

[Minami no Hana]

holy shit read the game

And why the heck are you yelling at me I had a day where i didnt participate and let GiF handle it because i was swarmed with work (i think that was yesterday). Why do i feel like you're just demanding things instead of just asking nicely :<

[Minami no Hana]

I want to know what you are thinking about the game. I want to know what is jumping out at you. I want to know what your reactions are.

You know what's frickin jumping at me? The fact that you keep demanding things of others like you're the leader of the town all of a sudden, Rufflig's also jumping at me and I already said why.

[Minami no Hana]

Oh i did miss the role reveal, well guess that takes my worries off Kaze and strengthens my read on orc then, considering it's a confirmable role if lynching orc does do what he said.

[Minami no Hana]

Apparently when playing with SSK all votes need to be accompanied with giant walls of text.

On other news I have real life issues and haven't been able to attend this game nor will be able to tomorrow (full day work on a Saturday FML), and giffy's sick so prob. wont see anything from us until Sunday.

PEd: Oh and apparently Tammy's worth asking "why" and we arent even worth asking "why" \:D/

[Minami no Hana]

Random ISO when I have a time~
(This will help me form an updated readlist eventually by the time I finish ISOing.)

Kaze is so town because he's early aggressive omgz

Yes, I am aware of my meta.

And I didn't like this. Why not let Orci explain why you're town instead of running to the meta assumption?

Asking a good question.

No, I didn't like that test either, Kaze.

Why not?

Because it's totally possible someone wouldn't have thought "blue townie" was a literal description of the PM sitting in their inbox. I for one thought you were speaking figuratively so it's weird to me that you would jump on that and assume scum would try to be "in" on a role PM that could be easily verified by the OP.

And I didn't like this. Why not let Orci explain why you're town instead of running to the meta assumption?

That was to fferybork

Mmm yeah that's m'bad.

I am not surprised to see hedginess from a newbie. The part I don't like, however, is that Fuzzylogic seems to be repeating "you are observing X about me, and saying X is scummy. however, town can also do X" and yeah zzzzzzz

The first paragraph is a townslip if not towntell.
The second paragraph, as I said (I think I said it), I'm leaning towards the playstyle clash.

Because it's totally possible someone wouldn't have thought "blue townie" was a literal description of the PM sitting in their inbox. I for one thought you were speaking figuratively so it's weird to me that you would jump on that and assume scum would try to be "in" on a role PM that could be easily verified by the OP.

How is the role PM verified by the OP? I don't see any example role PMs, do you?

Fair enough. I remembered seeing the town wincon and for some reason assumed the rest was there. But still, you don't think it's a possibility that Fuzzy was not taking you at face value when you said "blue"?

Townslip #2.

As far as her general posts goes, it's not aggresssive. I played with pitoli once when she was scum and replaced out. In there, I remember she going aggressive against her pushes (also with a long post = long dick joke lol). In this game, she didn't look aggressive against her pushes so I guess that's another townpoint for her. Also, her general posts looked townish.

So I think she's town.

(1/12)

[Minami no Hana]

Easy.
As fery said last time, during that rxn test, scum would've looked back at OP.
Not remembering what was in the OP is psychologically unlikely to come from scum's mind.

[Minami no Hana]

Well that blew out of proportion real fast, first time I see Mara like that, also wtf about not caring if orc is town but wanting to lynch him... gonna talk with giffy before I move my vote tho.

[Minami no Hana]

Why isn't Rufflig dead yet?

[Minami no Hana]

Vote: Minami

Why?

[Minami no Hana]

@Mod: The Sakura Hana head of this hydra is V/LA through Monday

[Minami no Hana]

I agree that I gave him too much credit for his early posting, which is something I discovered last night while looking for alternatives. I don't like that Sakura sheeped me after voting me; it felt like if she was concerned about Nachoscum, then she probably wouldn't have been so immediately reassured by me. She is not the type of player who dances with me or challenges me to dance with her, she usually just follows along with my initial pushes. If she's paranoid of me, she's usually clearly and obviously paranoid of me, not this strange middle ground where she's kind of paranoid of me but not really. So I feel like she's sorting me out because she thinks that's the type of thing I would townread from her, but not showing actual signs of sorting me out because she's not actually town.

Except when I voted you, you hadn't even posted, when I checked the thread again you had already gone through Tammy and went on to prohawk, I felt your interaction was townish and decided to sheep you.
wrt GiF he's been V/LA for a while because first he was sick, and now... well he didnt tell me the reason for his V/LA i only know it's until Thursday (which is today).

At least you're not attributing my innactivity to your scumread on us, but I guess you could explain to ffery how active I am when im in hydra if she didnt notice from her games with me when I was in hydra with you, mostly because im lazy to switch accounts (hence why i play solo so often).

Now can we go on with lynching scum Rufflig and be done with it?

[Minami no Hana]

Gut actually.

[Minami no Hana]

I think GiF got a scumread on him after he was voted for the first time or something, so I checked his ISO and got a gut scumread out of him, prob. GiF can explain his own more, but i'm not good at explaining where I get a gut scumread, but i'd advise you to take the same procedure i did, maybe you'll get it.

Rufflig: Leaning Scum, I didnt like his vote hoping everytime someone did as much as suspect him, and his vote on prohawk seemed opportunistic (bus?)

^
This was about the point where I got the gut scumread if it helps.

[Minami no Hana]

GiF just informed me that

he's extending his V/LA until sunday

so the hydra's V/LA until sunday atm.

[Minami no Hana]

I took your not wanting to engage with me and proceeding to dance with other people as not wanting to dance with me, but since you're here we might as well dance now.

Also I haven't heard from GiF for a while, last 2 things i hard was a V/LA until thursday that he mentioned 3 days ago, and now a V/LA extension until sunday.

It may be gut, or there may be more to it, but considering how so far my gut reads are usually right, i'm pretty confident.

[Minami no Hana]

I took your not wanting to engage with me and proceeding to dance with other people as not wanting to dance with me, but since you're here we might as well dance now.

Also I haven't heard from GiF for a while, last 2 things i hard was a V/LA until thursday that he mentioned 3 days ago, and now a V/LA extension until sunday.

It may be gut, or there may be more to it, but considering how so far my gut reads are usually right, i'm pretty confident.

He was there when he put down the vote on Rufflig. What did he say about it?

He didnt say anything about it to me, i just noticed he quoted that post and voted him, I didnt ask further because I figured he had his reasons on said quote, which is also what gave me the gut scumread initially.

All I remember is that he asked me why were we voting prohawk and i said that it was because i was sheeping you like usual.

[Minami no Hana]

Thinking about it he hasn't talked with me about anything game related, hasn't let me in on any reads or anything and now i'm here while he's on V/LA (and im supposed to be V/LA too but taking the chance that my boss is around).

Non rufflig thoughts:
orc/kaze are town because i doubt scum would've made a confirmable fakeclaim like that, specially the "mod confirming kaze as town if orc is lynched"
Mara's AtE looked town, so im not buying Kaze's meta case on myko
Mac gut town
fuzzylogic is in the "dunno" realm, my read on him has been jumping up and down all day, the scum slips thingy seems decent but i trust my gut read on Rufflig more in this case.
You were town, but i dont like your reasoning on your push on me when you have knowledge of how i act in hydra (which is usually rely a lot on my other head and bounce reads off them, the issue here is that GiF doesnt talk at all so I have to guess :<)
SSK is... idk how to read him at all.
ffery/bork seem way to aggresive for what I remember of ffery or bork (tho the one game i played with bork was a long time ago)
prohawk is another gut scum read.

PEd: JEEZ IM TYPING

[Minami no Hana]

And here i thought you wanted to dance with me

[Minami no Hana]

So Nacho invites a lady to the dance floor and then leaves her hanging, i'm hurt

[Minami no Hana]

What scum slips thingy?

Lazy answer: Have you been reading the game?
Regular answer: fuzzy's ISO points some (or one? idr), fthen fuzzy's asked whether english is his first language, to which he replied that it is.

Things like:

this is how I play even my town game.

That look like he subconsciously knew this wasn't his town game. Then:

Sometimes my brain goes faster than my hands so I don't always type the exact way I am thinking

To which implies that what he typed came from his subconscious.

Not sure tho, since everytime i see some go "ZOMG SCUMSLIP" it turns out the target's not scum.

[Minami no Hana]

Actually, it does only take one instance to prove a school of absolute thought wrong. Something can't be true when its not...

Actually this works also in math and logic.

If y is always x.

It just case one case of y not being x to prove it wrong.

[Minami no Hana]

No, Rufflig is an easy lynch because he doesn't have meta experience with anyone else.

Technically me, you and Tammy played with him on Stack the Deck of power tho.

[Minami no Hana]

What's wrong with my push on you? The thing that differs in your individual to hydra play is your inactivity, which is not something I'm attacking you for.

You're attacking me because you believe that my jump from voting you to sheeping you was fake, but as far as i'm aware is something that

you should know

i do, you know, that thing about voting you until you give me something to sheep?
That's what's been bothering me.

[Minami no Hana]

curious how everyone else feels about possible wagon candidates.

Rufflig, prohawk, fuzzylogic (oh wait that's you). In order of preference.
You never got back to me wrt to Rufflig btw.

[Minami no Hana]

Means im still waiting for this:

@ No Hana

I will look at his ISO and see if I find anything there

[Minami no Hana]

That's quite odd...

Nacho where are you, is fuzzy scum and Rufflig town? I'm kind of seeing tangents to his play on Stacking the Deck of power, where he seemed concerned about the newbies.

[Minami no Hana]

@fuzzy wanna compare his play here with his play on this game?: http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=51&t=28682

Totally unintentional slip

[Minami no Hana]

So i'm back from V/LA anyone has any questions for me?

~Sakura Hana

[Minami no Hana]

Yes, totally

In all seriousness tho, is that all you wanna ask?

[Minami no Hana]

Is GiF coming back anytime soon? If not, are you going to take the responsibility for the vote?

Dunno and Yes.

Why are you so comfortable with my lynch when you don't know why you're voting me or the strength of the read GiF had? Is it possible that GiF was just putting on a pressure vote?

Because gut

In the absence of GiF to make a decision, who do you want to see lynched?

I would sheep nacho on SSK, considering I'm also scumreading him atm.

Coke or Pepsi?

Coke definitively

Do you like pandas?

Yes they are pretty cute.

What's your favourite beatmap?

Big brother by Gens

Have your reads changed at all?

Dunno, i dont remember what reads i had previously, i only know im atm scumreading SSK, Rufflig and fuzzy while townreading you, orc, nacho and myko

What do you think of Myko stating he wishes he could vig me?

He made the same mistake I did wrt missing your claim, so why's that surprising?

@Kaze: What was the purpose of the first 3 questions tho

[Minami no Hana]

Why aren't you?

Because GiF already got mad when I voted prohawk to sheep you, so I kinda wanted to know his opinion on SSK, tho if by the time im back from work he hasn't mentioned anything to me i'll just go ahead and vote SSK.

[Minami no Hana]

Wow I made the account and I forgot the password -.-

Quote/post any questions y'all have/had tto me.

[Minami no Hana]

Wow I made the account and I forgot the password -.-

You could have let me know in the QT =/

Anyway.

Unvote
Vote: SSK

GiF agrees with this.

[Minami no Hana]

I actually think that Rufflig could be town.

[Minami no Hana]

VOTE: Rufflig

Partners are SakuraGiF and pitoli.

0/3
please try again

[Minami no Hana]

I actually think that Rufflig could be town.

Lemme guess.... Gut?

Big as a pig at that.

[Minami no Hana]

PITOLI - Who do you suspect today?
Same question to Sakura-GiF.

Dunno
My reads are in total jumble

O rite
Hydra
I'll quote them later

Normally I should've but I don't for many reasons and I won't bother listing why
But i can say this though: so far my townblocs are all of your scumreads.

[Minami no Hana]

Normally I should've but I don't for many reasons and I won't bother listing why
But i can say this though: so far my townblocs are all of your scumreads.

Did you cop Rufflig last night?

It was either that or option 2
I preferred option 2 but sak wanted to go with it
I still think option 2 was the better idea

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Isn't the townslip I mentioned long time ago is not enough for you?

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The rest of the playerlist I really have to set myself an hour or two with Sakura and go over them

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Random ISO when I have a time~
(This will help me form an updated readlist eventually by the time I finish ISOing.)

Kaze is so town because he's early aggressive omgz

Yes, I am aware of my meta.

And I didn't like this. Why not let Orci explain why you're town instead of running to the meta assumption?

Asking a good question.

No, I didn't like that test either, Kaze.

Why not?

Because it's totally possible someone wouldn't have thought "blue townie" was a literal description of the PM sitting in their inbox. I for one thought you were speaking figuratively so it's weird to me that you would jump on that and assume scum would try to be "in" on a role PM that could be easily verified by the OP.

And I didn't like this. Why not let Orci explain why you're town instead of running to the meta assumption?

That was to fferybork

Mmm yeah that's m'bad.

I am not surprised to see hedginess from a newbie. The part I don't like, however, is that Fuzzylogic seems to be repeating "you are observing X about me, and saying X is scummy. however, town can also do X" and yeah zzzzzzz

The first paragraph is a townslip if not towntell.
The second paragraph, as I said (I think I said it), I'm leaning towards the playstyle clash.

Because it's totally possible someone wouldn't have thought "blue townie" was a literal description of the PM sitting in their inbox. I for one thought you were speaking figuratively so it's weird to me that you would jump on that and assume scum would try to be "in" on a role PM that could be easily verified by the OP.

How is the role PM verified by the OP? I don't see any example role PMs, do you?

Fair enough. I remembered seeing the town wincon and for some reason assumed the rest was there. But still, you don't think it's a possibility that Fuzzy was not taking you at face value when you said "blue"?

Townslip #2.

As far as her general posts goes, it's not aggresssive. I played with pitoli once when she was scum and replaced out. In there, I remember she going aggressive against her pushes (also with a long post = long dick joke lol). In this game, she didn't look aggressive against her pushes so I guess that's another townpoint for her. Also, her general posts looked townish.

So I think she's town.

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Oi

Do you counterclaim me?

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If I was serious I would post more than

Oi

Do you counterclaim me?

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Tear grants or something like that.
Girl with a spear.
JoaT with 1-shot cop and 1-shot JK.

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Btw the option #2 was jailkeeping deacon, and it would've worked out better.

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You mean rufflig
Because we were second guessing ourselves like hell on him and we were impatient fellows.

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I'll go to the corner and die if we wasted our only cop shot on a godfather.

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My report is easily confirmable by making pitoli hide behind her so

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Yeah I'm kinda surprised as well.
But it makes kinda sense that I only have 1-shot cop.

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Also I meant cry in 1517.

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I doubt it but I wouldn't be surprised as much as the other game if that's the case since this is Cabd the troll's setup

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Um isn't nacho like very-closed-to-conftown right now?

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Like, pitoli claimed hider and claimed that she hid behind nacho.
Doesn't that make nacho town regardless of pitoli's alignment objectively speaking?

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Also lol nacho being a miller neighbor again in cabdgame

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Hey pit
"JoaT", "Jack of all trades", or "Jack-of-all-trades"?

Aw I wanted you to spell it out for me again

I believe pity's claim. I'll elaborate on it later.
For now, lets just say that my full role name is "Town-aligned

fonic

JOAT."

I'm gonna figure it out later.
But I do think that I nailed the setup.
Will think on it some more and post what I think when I'm sure what I think is right.

P-Edit: for *reasons*

Dammit GiF dont make me have to come here and post when I'm at work.
So let me get this straight, Nacho, you think we're scum because we haven't cracked out what the scum team is yet? Well maybe i'll keep my thoughts hidden from you just to spite you then

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It'll all connect eventually dw

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Do you believe the other Joat claim?

I totally dont, and I also think that you're scared of getting a Rufflig flip hence why you're going after me when you think us both are scum a Rufflig flip supposedly being Mafia non-Godfather from your PoV should give more info right?

I'll cut down to the chase and say I think you're scum Nacho. Idc if there's flaws in GiF's reads, we share the slot and we're town, tho it was funny how i was telling him that Tear used a wand and not a spear even tho in the pic that pointy wand could look like a spear.

Scum team could easily be Nacho, pitoli, (Mac/Fuzzy).

(Yes I think there's 2 scum in your neighborhood)

PEd: dat xpost GiF

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First of all, think outside of the box and think what if my 1S cop serves an antitown purpose.
Now second of all, take my word on this: this setup is totally a WIFOM setup

P-Edit: Sak I'll explain soon so hold up

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P-Edit: Sak I'll explain soon so hold up

You could've explained in our QT instead of ignoring me for the last 2 days :<

Oh well ok.

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It was an ephiphany

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Hey nacho what do you think of the purpose of "cowardly" and "fonic"?

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If you were paying attention, you'd notice that I'm voting pitoli.

I do know your voting pitoli now, but back then you seemed to almost flip a table when prohawk wanted to go for Rufflig instead.

PEd: No I didn't and since I don't like posting in hydra i was yelling at GiF on the QT to comment on it but he ignored me =/

PEd2: Well that's an interesting point there GiF.

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Also I can't fucking believe I'm saying this but I think there's a godfather in this game.

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I'm doing it one by one can't you see

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Because if you're really a miller, with my only one shot cop, my result is almost guaranteed to be fucked up.
I wouldn't doubt the existence of the godfather.

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And since my result is meant to be a big joke*

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Did I not thoroughly explain my point before?

Your point was based on discredit based on your idea of setup speculation. Why don't you consider the possibility of Rufflig being town or Rufflig being Maf-Godfather?
Becasue him being Godfather would point all fingers back to you, and him being Town would mean you run out of where to go.
Hence the discredit.

PEd: goddamit GiF why you think there's both Miller and GF in the setup =/

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And nacho can't be scum unless he's scum with pitoli or he's a mafia neighbor commuter, which I srsly doubt so he's town.

P-Edit: why not? I can see Cabd doing that.
Also Cabd fucking loves hider. And I believe that hider is the true "cop" role in this game.

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My guess is that the role fonic is related to the fact that Tear uses Fonic Artes in-game?

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What are the chances of you guys investigating the Mafia Godfather on Night 1, do you think?

What is the best play for Mafia GF? to appear scummy enough to attract an investigation to them.
I thought Rufflig was pretty scummy at N1 so I yelled at GiF to investigate him.

PEd: I suppose so.

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My point is that those adjective shows the existence of two JOATs.

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That being said tho, I want to believe Rufflig's town for now rather than worry about him being a Godfather until we get some scum flips.

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I even played a game with him on that site.
Also I'm getting there if you wait long enough

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I'll be wondering too because he just said his phone battery died in our QT

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So while i'm here and GiF can't xpost me for now, any questions?

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I disagree with it, i think the "fonic" is just related to the character and not another JOAT being in here.

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btw with his last bit of battery GiF wants to say that you shouldnt town Rufflig unless you're certain the existance of a GF is impossible.

I still dont think Rufflig's scum atm.

Ugh guess we will need to settle this in our QT >_>

In the meantime while he can't yell at me.

Unvote
Vote: Nacho

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I already explained i think the scumteam is You, pitoli and 1 of Fuzz/Mac.

I'm more certain of you due to the reasons I mentioned before.

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Also Marathon time, cya later.

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Maybe I overthought on this whole matter.

VOTE: pitoli

L-1.

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Didn't mean to QL D:

Also why the hell am I not confirmed town yet

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I'm supposed to be announced mod-confirmed town at the start of LyLo.

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I would've played a hell a lot better if I didn't had that you know.
We were gonna be all like "surprise conftown mofos" and steamroll the scums on LyLo.

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Is that me we only have two scums?

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Mean*

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As I said, I was all-ining for this conftown stuff.
But it didn't happen D:

I know its a stupid question to ask but is 2:2:3 counts as non-lylo?

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Hmm

Good point.

@Mod: why am I not confirmed town yet?

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:/

But 2:11 is townsided as hell though

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Well first I guess I can post what my motives/plans/thoughts were.

After I came back from the v/la, there were a lot of pages and I didn't feel like reading them.
And I felt like sheeping for a while and then sakura asked me "hey what do you think of ssk" so I was like "did he post anything useful?" And then she was like "nope." So I asked her "how about rufflig" and then she was like "rufflig could be bad town". So I told her to vote whoever she wanted to. Later, when I checked the thread, it was locked.

During the night phase, we were discussing if we should protect deacon with jailkeep after seeing the bp bg flip because I woul assumed that they gonna die n1. But sakura was like "let's check rufflig and save a JK shot until later." So we checked rufflig. We got "Not god general" or something like that.

D2, we facepalmed after seeing deacon dead. We were planning to take a day to go over some posts and then massclaim happened so I went into "PoE by claim" mode. Pitoli's hider claim was kinda iffy but I knew that cabd loved hider so I was still townreading her. (And also she was the last read where I actually put effort.) And then I was working from there and she claimed JOAT. I spelling-checked her and she knew the correct spelling. So I was still townreading pitoli so I went onto my thoery where its possible for her to be town. In the end, I thought I was overthinking the whole matter so I put her on L-1 to see how she reacts to my 180. But unfortunately, it was a hammer vote. I kinda felt sorry about pitoli because I feel like I betrayed her by voting her. But we didn't really panicked becausse we were fully expecting to be conftowned today. And apparently THAT didn't happen either.

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Right now I feel like I'm in meme mafia again and that's how bad I feel I am right now

P-Edir: that's what I received as a report.

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Well I guess she took it as my confirmation

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You know
Like
"Hey can I use this phone?"
"Do whatever you want."
"Yay!"

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Fuck I lost my post

P-Edit: um if I'm a cop and the report is "Not (not my alignment)", that means innocent.

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are you god general?

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Also if I summarize my lost post

Excluding conftowns/cop inno, I have various townreads on them so I'm lost here.

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Well then its just my English.

Your 1932 sounded kinda weird so it begged for that question
As I said, I'm townreading all ppl here to the some degree and honestly that's why I've been kinda dodging the reads Q. I need to reread (or read). (Bet you heard this part before, right?)

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Also going to sleep now.
2 am here.

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what actions did you take on night two if any. Please also explain why you did not protect Deacon . I did not understand what you were trying to say in the post where you tried to explain it.Why did you not know the exact name of your character... You seemed kinda of unsure of who you were.

None. I wanted this to be LyLo instead of MyLo so I can be mod confirmed town.
Basically we were saving until later. But our dream scenario was at least one scum dead.
I did know my exact name of character. I just showed my lack of knowledge that way. Sakura is keep saying that she's holding a staff or something but in my eyes it's totes a spear.

Also does 4 town 1 traitor 2 scum mechanically counts as LyLo?
The traitor thing sprang up to my mind today when I was running on a treadmill.

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Also if pitoli had a cop inv she would've counterclaimed me right away.

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I know.