Open 538: Diffusion of Power (Game Over)

[Zebe]

Bep Boop.

I've read the thread few times now, but I (still) need time to think. I don't have solid reads yet, but DBK, Wake, ETL and maybe BB are leaning town at the moment. Rest are null, scummy or nothing. Anyone can ask questions and whatnot.

VOTE: Kalimar

Let's see what happens.

[Zebe]

@DBK: I find 34 interesting. Kalimar is just visiting here to vote Wake (to -2 as he mentioned). It's also nice you remember me...

@ETL:
Null: Mr_Blonde, Smudger and aptil because almost nothing to read.
Scummy: Gam and Kalimar leaning scum (more or less) because I cannot see reasoning behind some of their votes except wagoning.
Nothing: KBW, simply no posts...

I didn't include either Cheery Dog or lucky, I'm not decided where to put them yet.

[Zebe]

Well, Gam has been posting, we'll see if he returns. Kalimar has only one super short post. I don't want to stay in RVS too long and I've seen some players who skip RVS return when they're mentioned/suspected.

[Zebe]

@Lucky and ETL:
To clarify:
Null is 'no useful or very useless activity'
Nothing is 'no activity to even start with'
And the uncategorized category is 'a slight idea, but nothing major'

I'm sorry if this confuzzles you, but that just happens sometimes. I'm not sure if it's me giving more mainstream names to my obscure categories, translation mistakes or something completely different.

@DBK: I don't feel this is 100% out of RVS yet. Half of the players are under 10 posts and something. I consider RVS more than just "random" stage of the game (None of the votes are

never truly

random). My "RVS" is can be described as the time to get the game rolling properly. Like in the scum/null/nothing/wth case above, lines I draw are never straight.

Kalimar & gam, who's scummier? With only 1 post from K, I have to choose gam. That contradiction with 114 and 115.

[Zebe]

@ETL: There is no such definition as "null" in the wiki, so I've defined the meaning of "null" from the definition of the word itself. No useful activity = No useful reads. The definition of RVS, well, is pretty loose sometimes, even person-specific. I'm still a newb in MS and it's use of definitions, this is only my 4th game on this site.

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DBK, what is your read on ETL and why?

[Zebe]

Ok, DBK.

My Kalimar vote was pretty much summed up in 151. Just poking to see if he's present. I've said that few times by now, I don't doubt it works. If it doesn't work at least Kalimar knows I've said it and voted him. I'm not sure what to expect though, as his participation to that early Wake-wagon can be dismissed as RVS.

ETL, what is your read on DBK and why.

[Zebe]

I apologise my inactivity, I've been rereading / trying to figure out some things.

UNVOTE:
I don't bother to wait. Kalimar said he'll come back tomorrow (What day is that for me, I dunno). I'm

not

forgetting that.

I've changed my opinions about my town reads I mentioned back there. I'm pretty sure there is at least one scum among DBK, Wake, ETL and BB. Which I believe not to be BB.
DBK, I can't really figure out your reads, except for ETL town read and null Wake.

VOTE: DoesBoKnow

It does feel like you're creating argumentation between you and Wake in pages 8-10. It simply was 1vs1 and when there was no real result presented, I don't find it being Town vs Town. Just few pages of fluffy stuff about Wake's playstyle. Also, I don't get why you're so eager to sheep ETL, even if you have a town read on her.

On another note, I hope KBW is getting replaced. I will also answer some questions that were asked during my absence in a moment.

[Zebe]

@DBK:
Both of you created fluff stuff, I'm not saying that you started it. I actually left mentioning Wake's participation deliberately to see how you'd react. I could accuse Wake from same reasons, if it would be my only point in this case.

More specifically, you were prolonging your argumentation with Wake (even derailing from that discussion with misunderstandings and whatnot: 200, 214, 222), even when you don't get any results from it (Still calling Wake null read). Other scumhunting being minimal or none at the same time.
This makes me see your motivations as scummy, as it helps scum to hide. I see no sign that you didn't want to enter silly arguments like that.

For your reads I haven't seen mention of Smudger or lucky townread. BB I forgot, sorry.

I've learnt to be careful when I see someone sheeping a lot.

[Zebe]

I ISO'd and found you calling Smudger town. I didn't notice it before, I admit being wrong on your reads. I didn't see any mention about Lucky though.

The thing is, I'm not able to tell when you are supposedly phoneposting or not; I have to trust you about it, which is hard when I have a scumread.

In my point of view, you were posting pretty much redundant content while saying you aren't able to get a read on Wake. After that you gave up on gam voting relatively quickly. Even your most of your lately posts mention Wake in some form. You voted Wake while ago, before changing vote to me.
This all screams to me that you are pointing at Wake whispering "scummy, scum, scum", and once again having publicly null read on him. Distracting, I must say. Distractions are scummy, if not then anti-town at least.

Your ETL sheeping doesn't help at all.

My opinion on Wake? At first, I have to say that I find DBK + Wake both scum nonsensical. I know Wake meta, hard to read at times. I'm getting town vibes from his recent posts, I do also agree him in some points. I don't see him as conftown, but leaning town nevertheless. I don't dismiss the possibility of him being a scum, as I never do with anyone.

[Zebe]

Zebe

randomly

saying one of top 4 posters is scum and then voting one is scummy as shit.

Which you see as the scummy part:
1. Me calling someone scum.
2. Accused being one of the top posters.
3. My vote "afterwards".

Also, the

bolded part

. Why so?

Uh

why?

349, 358, 362.

^^^^THIS guy knows what's up.

^^This guy gets it.

Zebe. Opportunistic vote, inventing more reasons to vote me

than needed

to try justifying his vote.

Alright. Really, did you get your scumread on me only because of 349? It sounds like your only argument supporting ScumZebe is that my case is not reasonable. What would be a good case then? With not "too much" reasoning?

@Kalimar: Ok, you're showing up now. I had no idea when you'd come back, and DBK desperately needed my vote. I'm a impatient person. I want to see you trying to get reads on the higher volume posters.

Shouldn't KBW slot already be replaced? That annoys me.

[Zebe]

Ugh, 384 and 394 are just floating there in my last post.

I seriously don't think a Cheery wagon is more likely than a Zebe one or an Aptil one.

Actually, what does everyone think of:
- Zebe
- Aptil
- Cheery

Are these your scumreads? What did happen to Wake read from 387?
I feel you're just buddying. You got quickly convinced about Cheery and Aptil scumreads (Although Cheery getting my scumdar to alert too).

[Zebe]

There's a difference between finding new evidence that others have missed

And trying harder to find more "scumtells" to make your vote sound more justified.

I believe it's the second one.

By "than needed" I mean that I can understand why I'm under scrutiny for "buddying" ETL, but some of the other stuff just doesn't compute, and considering the timing on my wagon plus your crap reasons, I feel like you were taking advantage of the situation.

What I've been saying all along is that I can't find any indication of you wanting a read from Wake while demanding conclusions and whatnot. And of course the ETL sheeping stuff, which I shouldn't even have to mention anymore.

This is what I see, call it crap all you want. Does someone else want to comment my case?

[Zebe]

1st quote: You list Gam and Kalimar as your scum reads because you don't see a reason for their votes besides wagoning? Why is that necessarily scummy?

2nd quote: You list Gam as scummier than Kalimar because he has more posts, but you keep your vote on Kalimar.

1: Not necessarily scummy, but it's the only apparent reason I saw.
2: Yes. There was already voting pressure from ETL and DBK, I think it was necessary to form a wagon. I was still forming my basic reads at that time.

@DBK: Gah. "You are scum and need to die."
I did't see that you really wanted to get a Wake read. However, you still vote him and demand conclusions from him.

I apologize that my wording can be unclear at times. My English can get floppy when I'm tired.

[Zebe]

V/LA until 27th

I should've said this few days earlier.

[Zebe]

I'm back. Got to catch up.

[Zebe]

I've been sick since Christmas, if you've been wondering what's up with my inactivity. I've been trying to gather my thoughts for my catch-up/readlist post, I hope I can post something worthwhile before deadline.

[Zebe]

Also, could someone tell why do people read me as scum. I don't know when that's been explained, I don't bother to seek it.

[Zebe]

Magical Catch-up Readlist

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Lucky2u

He's bizarre. 97-113: There is some kind of dispute/debate with ETL, I don't find it alignment indicative, just distracting. It's the main reason I didn't really know how to place him to my first read list back there. However, during my re-reads I spotted 128 which in my opinion is a really townish response to Gam's post/vote.
361 and 541 seem really just wagon-jumping, but not

necessarily

scummy. I'm not certain of his recent activity, but Christmas time though. I can understand.
So, lucky is a

town

read for me. I see a town viewpoint in his posts.

DoctorPepper

I don't have much to say about him. 546. His choice of scum trio is interesting. DP, Why do you think I and DBK are both scums? Also, you call Cheery case misguided. What makes you think so?
DP is

null

right now.

Kalimar

I don't have anything to say about his early Wake wagon joining. Just pressure according to him. I have no reason to believe otherwise.
417 is the only worthwhile post from him. 585 feels like he's springing up from a random lurker hole. Both of these facts make Kalimar look scummy.
However, 417 does have a certain townie feel in it. Logic is sound, I do agree with most it. In other hand, there's so little content. No mention of Lucky, DBK or ETL.
Kalimar is

null-ish

, there is that slight contradictory.

Mr_Blonde

His current vote on Cheery is legitimate in my opinion. I kinda like his stance on aptil. I don't have much to say, he looks pretty much

town

to me.

Tammy (Wake88)

I saw 42 as a normal Wake-town-ish response to BB's gambit and the wagon. I don't want to concentrate to his posts here too much, because there is SO much content. It does make reading him hard, but reading Wake seems to be hard very often. Annihilator beam was ok, it's his method of scumhunting. I liked reads after 350, though I did see some tunnelling there tbh. He was

town

for me. There is not much to say about Tammy, but I do agree on some of her reads.

I'll post more, we'll see if that happens before deadline.

On a completely unrelated note, happy 2014!

[Zebe]

16 hours left until deadline. Where are you people?

Tbh zebe if you cant be arsed to read back a couple of pages that is a good enough reason on its own for being scum.

I don't really find anything that would be considered as a scumread back there, unless you mean you calling my posts rubbish. I feel there was something, but I can't find it.
Also there is DBK's accusation of me being opportunistic with my votes, which is hypocritical considering him being a weather vane lately.

I'm trying to get my reads done before deadline. brb.

[Zebe]

Bep Boop.

I've read the thread few times now, but I (still) need time to think.

I don't have solid reads yet

, but DBK, Wake, ETL and maybe BB are leaning town at the moment. Rest are null, scummy or nothing. Anyone can ask questions and whatnot.

VOTE: Kalimar

Let's see what happens.

It was my first post. I was still catching up, I needed more time to think. I just quickly spat out my first thoughts.

Gam was already being voted, I didn't see it was necessary for me to join the wagon. There was already some pretty good questions thrown out there for Gam. I wanted Kalimar to explain his vote and more importantly, get him into the game. I remember I explained this somewhere.

I changed my vote for reasons I've already said. I mentioned BB because of his gambit made me think him as town.
How I said that wasn't the best way, yeah.

[Zebe]

Magical Catch-up Readlist

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DoesBoKnow

My top scum read, if someone missed. Explained in the page 15. Also, I mentioned his vote on me being hypocritical in my last post. Being weather vane and whatever.

BBmolla

BB's gambit made me feel unsure about him. I did convince he was town, I saw no other way around it. I've noticed has been some interaction between him and DBK, who is my top scum read (Even though it doesn't necessarily mean he's scum, or he's scum with DBK). I think I've not seen much scumhunt or reads from him. All in all, I'm not entirely sure. He can be scum.

Cheery Dog

Ok, Cheery is just scummy. He makes no sense. Wagon > Lunch, wth? I find both DBK and Cheery scummy, which is distracting. However, there is just 0% chance both are scum, considering interaction between DBK and Cheery. This thing makes no sense.
I've thought that Cheery is "too scummy to be scum", not even realising how much he looks guilty. I've experienced such thing. I cannot be sure about it though.
I'm wondering, is Cheery like this always? I could join the wagon if meta says it. I've seen people mentioning Cheery meta, I believe. I should've checked Cheery's other games earlier. I don't think I have enough time though. Shit.

Not all reads, sorry. Gotta go sleep soon. I'll be back before deadline. Before lynch? I dunno.

[Zebe]

Ok, Day 2. Interesting stuff.

Both Bo and Cheery dead, wut? DBK NK, I don't really get it. Maybe to make me look suspicious, but that'd be a really simplistic scum tactic. Overly simplistic in my opinion. There was also a major wagon on Bo.

Oh, and apparently I'm conftown now (For some people). Surprising. There was talk about my lynch, I don't think this is a wretched scum plan. Except if it's exeptionally delicate scum plan.
I find ETL's reason for picking me instead of DBK is weird now when Bo is dead. Funny coincidence. Almost too funny. Although it gives me a strong townread of her, because it wouldn't make any sense if she'd be scum.

DP, I asked some questions back in 664. They're still valid questions.
VOTE: DoctorPepper
And the wagon moves!

Kalimar, y u so lurky?

FoS~

Come back plz and tell us your opinion about DBK nightkill.

And after everything else, 748...


...not exactly town.

[Zebe]

Essentially prod dodging... School keeping me busy until tomorrow.

One does not simply claim to be conftown. Copclaims should be questioned always.

@Kalimar: K. I don't need to delve deeper into the NK related things, just simple opinion was enough.

[Zebe]

Alright, I'm back. Catching up...

[Zebe]

Still reading... Meh.
Tammy modkilled? Town.

Zebe, as almostconftown, we could do with more from you. Strong chance you'll be dead in 4 days time, so might as well make the most of it.

Well, I don't have anything to say right now, I'd just state the obvious. My town reads haven't changed notably since last day, which I already said if I recall. If you'd like to ask me something, you're welcome.

Zebe, Aptil, you mentioned that you found both DP and Kalimar scummy. I'd like to see your updated thoughts based on my catchup post.

To be exact, I didn't say DP is scummy. (Even though I'm voting him right now, but it was merely for pressure.) I wasn't entirely sure about DP back there. I quite like his recent posts.
Kalimar wagon is fine in my opinion. It makes I definitely don't want DP lynched today, and I don't see possibility of another wagon rivalling Kal today.
I'll join, let's see what happens.
VOTE: Kalimar

[Zebe]

Weird wagon on Boro. surely we should follow ETL and Zebe are they not driving this game now? Zebe your thoughts?

Mmmk. I don't think Boro wagon is weird.

and maybe Fusion was just too useful to town

Obviously. I'm no use for town.

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Readlist that was requested the last day. Not a big one though, only brief explanations. I'm not really active, as you might have ( ) noticed.

Town:
ETL for obvious reasons.
DP mainly because of Kalimar wagon. Many of his posts look very town too.
BB for Kal wagon too.

Null:
Lucky, leaning town. I have a general town read on him. I could've put him on town too, but I'm not sure of some posts.
Aptil, I dunno about 932.
Smudger not being town enough.

Scum:
BoroPhil. Makes sense. Lucky as scum makes less sense.

Therefore...
VOTE: BoroPhil
I could see aptil or Smudger as the last scum.

[Zebe]

I claim doc. hurrdurr

2 scums in docs or 1 in both.