Open 538: Diffusion of Power (Game Over)

[Wake1]

The only familiar names I see are Aptil and ETL.

[Wake1]

We're good, ETL. <3

Whoever's saying they've got a guilty on me is lying.

[Wake1]

I still really like my lucky vote. Plus his first and only post is lame.

Site outages be damned!

VOTE: mafiascum.net

Complete unwillingness to commit to voting anyone on the playerlist.

Lame lame lame.

His post wasn't serious.

[Wake1]

Yeah, I don't like this from you two. His first post wasn't serious, and was a playful poke at MS for its problems. I'd do the same. Your reason for voting him is nonexistent.having an unserious post isn't Scummy, and you know that, so what are you doing?

[Wake1]

That's a crap reason to vote him.

Both scum and Town can do what he did.

His act isn't inherantly Scummy.

[Wake1]

Your reasoning is not sound, because you're voting him because you feel an unserious post is Scummy. It's not. I do that all the time as Scum. It's over.

As for who vote for, that's up to you. However, if you want me to be alright with it, there has to be a real reason for that person being Scummy.

[Wake1]

*as Scum and Town.

[Wake1]

It's still a crap reason.

If that's the best "reason" ETL can find, then we're either screwed or eveyone needs to start engaging more.

[Wake1]

There are at least 80 posts here.

A better reason than fluff must exist.

[Wake1]

if you want me to be alright with it,

You do know I don't give a shit if you're alright with my vote or not.... right? Because I'm alright with it, and since it's my vote, that's all that's necessary.

If you truly didn't care, you wouldn't argue with me about it.

Do you normally find fluff suspicious?

[Wake1]

What makes you assume he's avoiding?

With all these crashes, I doubt that.

[Wake1]

...

I'll sort this out later.

[Wake1]

Give him time.

Lucky, I'm assuming you do plan to get into this game.

[Wake1]

*Reveals

Annihilator Beam

*

[Wake1]

DBK/ETL, it's not trolling. In five games right now. Working on this one at the moment. Whatever you think it is, it's not trolling. You can trust me on that.

[Wake1]

EspeciallyTheLies

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Who's your top Town and Scum reads?

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Say your gut is strongly telling you someone is Scum, but there was no logic or evidence behind it. Is anyone here that person so far?

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What's your read on DBK, Lucky, and Aptil?

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I just don't see the case on Lucky, and I'm not buddying him, either. You're basically voting for him because he made some fluffy posts instead of getting serious all up in this bitch. I usually make at least one unserious post within the first few pages, just for fun and, well, sometimes I have fun mid and late game, too.

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Garmr, if memory serves, has at least one Scum game and a few Town games. However, I may be wrong.

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I sorta kinda see your point in #124, but I'm not sold on it yet. Anything else that makes you suspect them?

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What are all the points you have against Lucky and Garmantz for reference' sake, please.

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This is my signature. My method of Scumhunting. I'm better able to play using this technique. Suffering from ADD, I can better gather my thoughts this way. You can check Mini 1516: Mafia in Space to see the inception and progression of my gameplay.

[Wake1]

Whoa I get a special post.

I have a special place in my heart for intelligent females.

EspeciallyTheLies

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Who's your top Town and Scum reads?

BB as town. Gam as scum.

OK. Why?

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Say your gut is strongly telling you someone is Scum, but there was no logic or evidence behind it. Is anyone here that person so far?

Gut scum read with no evidence or logic... um... I haven't had one of those yet. I need a bit more from everyone.

Fair enough. With time I will ask you this again.

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What's your read on DBK, Lucky, and Aptil?

I like DBK so far. I feel he's going to be a bit more difficult for me to read, the same way ffery is hard to ready, because they are both such calm posters it's hard not to equate it with towniness on a gut level.

Lucky is leaning more town. I am waiting to see his reactions to other wagons besides his own. So far I like what he's done since getting the sillies out of his system.

Aptil, I don't know. I don't like her posts yet, but I've seen her style in other games. She tends to be lynch bait.

Aptil's a he, and he regrets sounding like April.

Interesting on DBK. Do you consider me calm as well? Just curious. Does your gut say he's leaning a little Town or Scum?

What if people thought you and Lucky were Scumbuddies, and you two just did a distancing act? Crazy, right?

Aptil's lynchbait because he's not very intimidating. "Oh my God, it's Aptil." "Oh my God, it's Bob." "Eddie." 'April." Whenever I read his name I think spring, flowers, and chocolate eggs. Aptil, put a zombie dragon in your avatar immediately.

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I just don't see the case on Lucky, and I'm not buddying him, either. You're basically voting for him because he made some fluffy posts instead of getting serious all up in this bitch. I usually make at least one unserious post within the first few pages, just for fun and, well, sometimes I have fun mid and late game, too.

I did it to sort him, and now he's mostly sorted for me. But I'm also no longer voting him (I'm voting gam).

Uh huh. And what did you learn? Maybe you shifted towards Gam too quickly, considering your earlier show of tenacity? (PSST~It means I suspect you a little. Don't worry.)

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Garmr, if memory serves, has at least one Scum game and a few Town games. However, I may be wrong.

Ok?

You gave me a bland muffin when I wanted a delicious cupcake. Don't do this. Ever. Clearly this segment pertained to your mention of Gam possible being Newb Scum.

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I sorta kinda see your point in #124, but I'm not sold on it yet. Anything else that makes you suspect them?

Nope. I explained it a bit further a couple posts ago, you may have missed.

...

Hm...

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What are all the points you have against Lucky and Garmantz for reference' sake, please.

I am not suspecting Lucky at this time. See my post 132 for the answer to this question.

Out of curiosity, should your newfound target flip Town, how would you like your neck broken? Lengthwise or crosswise?

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This is my signature. My method of Scumhunting. I'm better able to play using this technique. Suffering from ADD, I can better gather my thoughts this way. You can check Mini 1516: Mafia in Space to see the inception and progression of my gameplay.

Ok.

I don't know why, but I sense a sort of apprehension from you. Maybe it's the chili I ate earlier.

[Wake1]

Whoa I get a special post.

I have a special place in my heart for intelligent females.

EspeciallyTheLies

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Who's your top Town and Scum reads?

BB as town. Gam as scum.

OK. Why?

You didn't ask that! I really liked BB's reaction test, despite the lame results. I am not discounting that scum may do it to, but in my opinion, reaction tests are dangerous for scum because it reveals a lot about a lot of people, depending on the result. I think BB would stay away from that as scum.

Gam I explained. He needs to post more. I don't have anything else on him at the moment other than what I noticed in his pre-vote post.

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Say your gut is strongly telling you someone is Scum, but there was no logic or evidence behind it. Is anyone here that person so far?

Gut scum read with no evidence or logic... um... I haven't had one of those yet. I need a bit more from everyone.

Fair enough. With time I will ask you this again.

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What's your read on DBK, Lucky, and Aptil?

I like DBK so far. I feel he's going to be a bit more difficult for me to read, the same way ffery is hard to ready, because they are both such calm posters it's hard not to equate it with towniness on a gut level.

Lucky is leaning more town. I am waiting to see his reactions to other wagons besides his own. So far I like what he's done since getting the sillies out of his system.

Aptil, I don't know. I don't like her posts yet, but I've seen her style in other games. She tends to be lynch bait.

Aptil's a he, and he regrets sounding like April.

Interesting on DBK. Do you consider me calm as well? Just curious. Does your gut say he's leaning a little Town or Scum?

(I have always thought Aptil was April because his avatar was April from TMNT... )

Gut tells me Bo is leaning town.

And right now I consider you calm which is not very similar to your town games, but I've never seen one of your scum games so I have you as "fucking weird, need to sort". It's also not the same kind of calm from Bo. There's a difference between logical calm and creepy forced calm.

What if people thought you and Lucky were Scumbuddies, and you two just did a distancing act? Crazy, right?

lol... not something I considered. It's one theory I suppose, though it's incorrect. This would mean you find both of us scummy independently, but I actually feel you think I'm scummy, and Lucky by association. That's a little weird to me.

Aptil's lynchbait because he's not very intimidating. "Oh my God, it's Aptil." "Oh my God, it's Bob." "Eddie." 'April." Whenever I read his name I think spring, flowers, and chocolate eggs. Aptil, put a zombie dragon in your avatar immediately.

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I just don't see the case on Lucky, and I'm not buddying him, either. You're basically voting for him because he made some fluffy posts instead of getting serious all up in this bitch. I usually make at least one unserious post within the first few pages, just for fun and, well, sometimes I have fun mid and late game, too.

I did it to sort him, and now he's mostly sorted for me. But I'm also no longer voting him (I'm voting gam).

Uh huh. And what did you learn? Maybe you shifted towards Gam too quickly, considering your earlier show of tenacity? (PSST~It means I suspect you a little. Don't worry.)

I wanted to see his reaction to pressure. It took him a moment, but like I said, his post 126 and 127 make me lean more town on him. I don't understand what you mean, "shifted to Gam too quickly"? In whose opinion? If that is

your

opinion, then explain why. I obviously don't think so. Right now I'm not using my vote to lynch people, if you hadn't noticed.

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Garmr, if memory serves, has at least one Scum game and a few Town games. However, I may be wrong.

Ok?

You gave me a bland muffin when I wanted a delicious cupcake. Don't do this. Ever. Clearly this segment pertained to your mention of Gam possible being Newb Scum.

You made a bland statement and did not ask me for anything. Am I supposed to read your mind? Come on now. That's not really fair, is it? To set someone up to fail and then chastise them for it when they do? If you want to know something, ask me what you want to know. Don't just throw out random statements and expect me to instantly know what you want.

The newbie scum comment came from the general feel of his posts and his join date.

Did you really need to me to actively explain that to you?

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I sorta kinda see your point in #124, but I'm not sold on it yet. Anything else that makes you suspect them?

Nope. I explained it a bit further a couple posts ago, you may have missed.

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Hm...

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What are all the points you have against Lucky and Garmantz for reference' sake, please.

I am not suspecting Lucky at this time. See my post 132 for the answer to this question.

Out of curiosity, should your newfound target flip Town, how would you like your neck broken? Lengthwise or crosswise?

What the hell are you talking about? It would be nice if people would just apply some fucking pressure on him so I can see what happens.

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This is my signature. My method of Scumhunting. I'm better able to play using this technique. Suffering from ADD, I can better gather my thoughts this way. You can check Mini 1516: Mafia in Space to see the inception and progression of my gameplay.

Ok.

I don't know why, but I sense a sort of apprehension from you. Maybe it's the chili I ate earlier.

It must be. Define apprehension and how you imagine I would manifest it via my posts. Then go find a common example from any of my other games to support this statement.

I'm inclined to agree with that bit on BBMolla. You vote Lucky for fluff, and you vote Gamsimbre for lack of posting.

How do you reconcile that with the fact that Gamsimbre has 10 posts, and Zebe, Mr. Blonde, Aptil, Cheery Dog, SMudger, and Kalimar

all

have

less

than 10 posts?

Wanna delve into why your gut tells you Bo is Town? Also, me being weird and in need of sorting out? Well then. What exactly screams "weird"?? You and Lucky could very well be Scum doing the distancing act. I do that a lot as Scum.

Hm...

[Wake1]

Why exactly is DBK and ETL voting Gamsimbre?

[Wake1]

Her reasoning for voting Gam has no grounding, because over five people have posted less than he has.

Pardon me for unearthing inconsistencies. Gotta keep people honest and busy here.

[Wake1]

It's my nature to question things that I don't understand. I suppose there are a few things to mull over regarding ETL and Gamsimbre. After questiong you ETL for voting Lucky for fluff, you then turned your attention to Gamsimbre because he agreed with me, asked lUcky for input, and then voted him. You're saying his post pinged his gut, and that there was a waffly nature to it. I don't quite understand it, because I'm not having those same feelings. What I'm trying to do is understand your actions and motivations, because you've been tripping my gut, ETL. It's not a bad thing to place pressure on other players, but does that mean I can't question your posts? The answer, in my opinion, is "no."

One thing that I know cannot be counted is you voting Gamsimbre for having few posts, because at least 5 people have posted less than him. On that ground alone, there's no solidity. If you're going after him to apply pressure, I've got no problem with it. Just don't derp or quick hammer. If I haven't made it apparent, I'm very leery of mislynches, and take issue when I see one forming. Who here has ever been on the receiving end of a bad wagon? I know I have, and it's not fun. Let's try to avoid that here if we can.

[Wake1]

I think I need to look through some of your previous games Wake, because your posts here are so LAMIST-y.

I'll do that when I get home.

BB popped his head in here momentarily... are you still voting Lucky? What are you going to do with it now that you've assessed he may be town, "or at least not lynchworthy today"?

What do you like about gam?

That doesn't make much sense, but you can say what you've got to say.

[Wake1]

Who in this game believes I am Town?

[Wake1]

Who in this game believes I am Town?

I'm leaning scum the way you are derailing aggressiveness.

Why is that, if I may ask?

[Wake1]

I think you want to be in a position of not having been on a town lynch wagon. Your not attacking anyone so you can't be blamed if you turn out to be wrong today. It's a very safe scum strat.

Why would you assume that?

I value caution, not aggression.

Mislynches should be avoided.

[Wake1]

Who in this game believes I am Town?

Not me.

Granted I don't think you're scum either yet.

I'm having trouble reading you this game.

Interesting.

Why?

[Wake1]

I don't know.

On all three counts?

Which past games of mine are you using for reference?

[Wake1]

I hadn't looked into your past games.

I'm too lazy.

Why are you making me look into your past games?

If you are trying to read me...

...wouldn't you consider my past games as a frame of reference?

[Wake1]

Not while I'm phone posting, thus not caring to reread your play this game and other past games at the moment.

But either way I think it's gonna be pointless to even try looking into your past games. I usually don't change my mind by reading past metas in games I'm not in.

If I may, what are you basing your reads on, then?

[Wake1]

^^Yeah, Wake's questions to me seem pretty lame. Trying to know exactly why I can't read him well this game?

But don't switch over, I wasn't done with the Gam wagon yet.

Fortunately for you, we cannot discuss ongoing games.

My questions are valid, and I ask you them because I'm trying to understand you. There's nothing lame about it, and I challenge how you judge which questions are lame and which are valid. If a question is game-related, it is valid. Do you disagree with this?

[Wake1]

Not while I'm phone posting, thus not caring to reread your play this game and other past games at the moment.

But either way I think it's gonna be pointless to even try looking into your past games. I usually don't change my mind by reading past metas in games I'm not in.

If I may, what are you basing your reads on, then?

Whether your aggressiveness toward ETL has been townie or scummy.

I'd need to go back and read that later. That's something I will do and not be a waste of time.

I have not been aggressive, Bo. Cautiousness is my nature, not aggression.

So there's no aggression on my part. If you feel there is, I'd like to read what you're reading, in order to understand what you're thinking.

[Wake1]

I just think the questions you're asking me are more or less not going to matter.

You're basically asking me about my read on you.

And I'm telling you I don't know why I can't read you.

But you keep pestering me about my inability to read you when you could be trying to focus on other things.

And I'm gonna go ahead and predict you're going to ask "Like what other things?"

And I'm gonna go ahead and answer "I don't know" again.

Whether you think my questions are valid or not has no bearing on their validity. No game-related questions are invalid, because they all seek to provide illumination. Why you are taking this route of deciding which questions are and aren't valid I cannot understand, because it makes no sense. Yes, I am in one regard you for your read on me, yet in another I am trying to ascertain which players here believe me. In response, you mention you read me neither way, and that you have difficulty reading me. In response to that, I mention that you can gather information on me in my past, completed games. Yet you say it would be pointless, and that you usually don't change your mind by reading past metas in games in which you weren't in. So, you have difficulty reading me, yet you won't research me in this particular game. I must confess I am a bit curious about you, and what stokes my curiosity I have difficulty ignoring. Hopefully that won't be a problem. Is it alright with you if I place under much scrutiny?

[Wake1]

I meant assertiveness, not aggressiveness.

Basically I'm trying to figure out if your back and forth with ETL is townie or scummy.

...oh, assertiveness. I didn't feel that way. That, too, I don't quite understand. I was feeling as though ETL was assertive. Do you share that feeling with me? If you, I'm more than willing to go through all the points contained within me and ETL's discussion.

[Wake1]

Town player direct their attention outward to other players, attempting to get information. Scum players direct their attention inward, attempting to get other players to townread them.

What you are doing, Wake, is asking people what they think of you. You arent actually seeking information. You arent doing anything with your vote.

What you ARE doing is spamming worthless inquiries about yourself and trying to force people to provide a hastened read on you. What you are doing is focusing on yourself and what people think of you, RATHER THAN ACTUALLY SCUM HUNTING.

I am very happy with my vote.

Why do you assume I haven't been Scumhunting? The posts are there, and more than able to be seen. In light of those facts, why do you pretend as though I Scumhunted at all, as though all I've done this whole game is ask people what their reads on me are? I think you know as well as I that the notion you're putting forth isn't true, and that is one thing that is bugging me. Should I provide evidence which shows all of the posts where I have Scumhunted? The ones you seem to be pretending don't exist?

Please don't tell me I have not bee seeking information, when I have. It's less than honest, and to some degree it makes me want to cast my vote for you in order to see what you will do under pressure. There is no debate, and if you want to take this further I will take the argument to you and point out every single instance in which I have Scumhunted. I don't mean to sound snarky, but do you really want to give me that pleasure?

I have danced to this tune before, and I will show the falseness in your words if you persist in being dishonest.

[Wake1]

Of particular note ETL unvotes Gam and votes for me, saying I haven't Scumhunted when that is not true at all...

...then, DBK unvotes... and then mentions that he's going to reread our discussion... and that he's so unsure.

...it sort of makes me suspect that he's going to vote me, because maybe both of them are Scum. Then again, that's just one man's speculation. The very thought is nonsensical.

[Wake1]

You're using a lot of words to say what you need to say.

The entire post 207 could've been condensed to:

"I have been scumhunting and gathering information."

And it would've had the same effect.

Wake, let me tell you something: the more fluff I have to read, the less interested I get in what is said, and the less effective my understanding of the game is. And we both like having understanding of the game. Right?

If you'd like to be quite succinct, you're more than welcome to be so yourself.

...oh, so now you bring up fluff do you? Maybe I see through you, maybe I don't. It sort of seems like you're purposefully saying my posts can be condensed, and that they aren't, you can then shrug it off as fluff... which then gives you reason to say you're not interested, while also calling it not that effective. Subtle, I'll give you that.

It's true we both like having an understanding of the game. But... it's as if you think one must be very succinct in order to have understanding. There are many nuances in my posts, as well as raw thought. The quantity of my posts I feel accurately reflects my thoughts and feelings at those very moments. If that is me, who are you to try and change that? It's not as though you're going to give me the keys to

your

gameplay style... am I correct?

[Wake1]

I'm just letting you know that the more you try to post to make one simple point, the less interested I'm going to be.

And the last thing I need is for you to pester me for not being interested and then go into fifteen posts to "scumhunt."

I'm gauging your reactions.

One of the impressions you're imparting is that you're trying to shift the conversation towards me trying to post a lot to make a point, and that you'll not be that interested as a result. I feel that's evasive. If you were Town, I would expect you to engage me, instead of trying to change focus elsewhere. ...as though you focus personally on the one questioning you, instead of doing what you can to refute that person's points. Your response hasn't been to refute me directly, but to attack my post as wordy, and fluffy, and not being interesting, and lacking effectiveness, and that I'm pestering you, and that I'm then going to go Scumhunting for the next 15 posts. How about to take on my posts head-on, instead of trying waving it away with excuse after convoluted excuse?

[Wake1]

DBK, I have nothing to hide, and nothing to avoid.

You give the impression you do, in my humble opinion.

[Wake1]

I'm gonna do that in the next few minutes because I'm at my laptop now.

I was hoping I wouldn't have to go down this road, because I do still think your line of questioning toward me is useless. I was just trying to do what I could through a phone post.

I am looking forward to it.

Whether you think my line of questioning is useless or not has absolutely no bearing on whether it is or isn't, at least when the majority is concerned.

[Wake1]

DBK, I have nothing to hide,

and nothing to avoid.

You give the impression you do, in my humble opinion.

Is the sky fucking blue, Wake?

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If you had ever played a game with me, you'd know that I like people answering questions as much as the next guy.

But I have a limit to questions I don't see worth answering.

However, since you won't shut up about it, I'll indulge you. And if you're confirmed scum, I'm going to hate you. A lot.

Say what you feel you need to say. I'll listen, but I won't take part in gimmicky sentences like asking me if the sky is blue. Also, I'll point out every single time that I feel you are shifting, twisting, fabricating, or distorting the magnitude of my actions. If you are Town, you have every reason in the world to speak the absolute truth without any addition or subtraction. I do so with you, and I expect the very same from you. That said, if you are indeed Scum, I suggest you tread very, very carefully.

[Wake1]

Gamsimbre

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Would you please share your thoughts on ETL and the other players who have voted for you?

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Do you still feel there is one or zero Scum between either me or BBMolla?

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Between me, ETL, and DBK, in what order would you rank us from Towniest to Scummiest, and why?

[Wake1]

You are evading me again, DBK.

VOTE: Does Bo Know

[Wake1]

ftr - I'm done fuckin with wake.

When we move on from his narcissism, I'll be happy to come back here.

You've resorted to personal attacks first. I think you can play the game without attacking people personally. I don't do so to you.

I'm getting to you, Wake. Jesus.

Alright.

[Wake1]

*That awkward moment where you have one side whining about too much information being generated, and the other side bitching about not doing enough to gather and use information. It'd be great if they'd just take each other out so I don't have to hear any more belly-aching.

[Wake1]

I think the problem is I'm in too many games at once.

[Wake1]

My play is not lackluster. I just need more time. I'll get around to it when I can, or I'll just take a short vacation.

[Wake1]

If I wasn't spread so thin, it'd be different. I don't JUST ask questions. I then ANALYZE and USE every ounce of information gathered from the responses to form reads and conclusions. Time allows me to ask the questions, but I'm struggling to get around to the breaking down and digesting of all of the information. In one or two games tops it's a breeze, and turns my ISO into atreasure trove. My mistake was having the itch to try some additional neat games that grabbed my attention.

[Wake1]

BBMolla's gambit & Wake wagon.

Looking through this, four votes happened in rapid succession, and then BBM put down his fake Night 0 guilty claim. DBK seemed rather willing at the time to go through my lynch in (21). Unlike DBK ETL waited with her vote to see my response; breaking this down, I could see ETL as Town for her reservations, or as Scum who knows better to risk something so stupid, while also appearing more credible. With my dismissal of his gambit, it crumbled while he revealed it was so. It ended in #50 and #51. The wagon's reckless, and BBM's gambit gives him a very slight Townread (I'm far more reserved with my reads than general players). If persisted in his lie to the point of actually trying to mislynch a Townie, I'd vote him in a heartbeat and shut it down. I didn't like Cheery's #58 (58) because it felt smart-alecky. As for Gamsimbre's (57), I don't particularly understand his conclusions. Gambiting in general isn't Scummy, and as Town I've done my fair share of them. As for the wagon, only Aptil and Kalimar are still on it, but that doesn't mean much because they don't do much... and I keep forgetting they and Mr. Blonde are even here.

ETL, DBK, and Unlucky Lucky.

Following hot on the heels of that sideshow, ETL then turned more to Lucky in (70). Her issue was that he voted Mafiascum.net because of it's constant crashes, instead of voting some player here. Personally I think it's a weak reason, unless to provide pressure. Seemingly in tandem DBK in the very next vote then goes after Lucky, too, At this point, I'm chewing over the possibility that they're both Scum because of how subtly coordinated their actions are. And forget the fact Lucky's post wasn't serious; we just need to vote people seriously for being unserious. It still bothers me a bit. ETL in (75) said his vote on MS.net was suspicious. I don't equate goofing around with being suspicious. The question is whether ETL is Town, or Scum grasping at straws. BBM also jumps on it, adhering to the same faulty reasoning; at this point his very slight Town read evaporates. ETL didn't like that Lucky wasn't interacting with anyone with his joke vote... well, how dare he joke in his very first post. DBK chimes in agreement with ETL again (85)... starting to notice a slight pattern. I'm trying to discern if ETL's Scum, so if I think you ETL are doing Scummy things that make no sense, while doing your best to pass it off as legit, I'm going to stop you and let you know what I think. I've played enough games with Scum to not be afraid to question everything, no matter how much some players like or agree with others. And your very deliberate dismissal of my interest in your actions is very telling.

Enter the Gamsimbre.

I just now noticed something on my reread. In (113) you agreed with me and my defense of Lucky against ETL's overreaching. But then he takes issue his Lucky's deliberate sarcasm in response to ETL's pressure, and suddenly votes for Lucky. SO, you agreed with me that ETL was grasping at straws regarding Lucky's first post, but because Lucky was sarcastic in his responses to ETL you now vote for him. I want you to explain this to me in detail, because you're creating more questions than answers from where I'm sitting. My take on the issue was that we should give Lucky more time to contribute, but I wouldn't mind policy-lynching him if he decided to post that way constantly. (124) finds ETL going after Gamsimbre instead, because what he said in (114) also pinged her gut. Maybe I agree with her on that feeling as of this moment. I tend to give players a hard time, so maybe she really is just an annoyed Townie. Maybe. As for Lucky, he did mention that I was defending him an awful lot; although it's true that I am very opinionated about fishy/unreasonable actions I don't quite understand, I don't blame him for being paranoid. I'd do the same.

From one Hunter to Another.

My signature Annihilator Beam was revealed in (129). It is flavor. Fun for me, and helpful for Town when one has enough time to use it fully. The concept is simple: ask questions, and use every drop of information gathered. What I can say is that it is very useful when used right. If you want to know the namesake of my Annihilator Beam, it's from the very successful

Metroid

series,

Metroid Prime 2: Echoes

. Samus Aran acquires this weapon technology once she takes down the possessed, massive Luminoth security drone, Quadraxis. In that game, as in this one, the shots/questions home in on enemies, and keep chasing until they strike true. If you want a laugh, you can see how it all began in this post. It's just a fun way for me to play, and it helps me organize my thoughts... and past players have mentioned it's untapped potential. This is something I will stand by, and because I cannot please every single person, some people will have to put up with it, while others enjoy the mountains of information harvested upon my flip as Town. It's a signature, sort of like how Natirasha typically self-votes in each game he's in.

Who're the Secret Agent Men?

Seriously. Mr. Blonde, I'm waiting for you to post more. Same with Aptil, Kalimar, Zebe, Smudger, and Cheery Dog. I keep having to check the activity log just to remember who's even in this game. It shouldn't have to be me, DBK, ETL, and BBM contributing the most while the rest of you lurk/whatever.

[Wake1]

Wake, when you're done sucking your own dick, mind giving us the conclusion?

Wow lol...

@mod: Please redact my last post. I wouldnt want to offend anyone who might misunderstand it as a personal attack.

Yeah, I want you to stop this stupid crap

now

.

[Wake1]

I want you to stop trying to police my behavior when I am not attacking you personally. I am attacking your posts. Stop taking it personally.

I'm Scumhunting you while applying pressure, and you keep lashing back with personal vitriol. Your latest comment was deliberately personal, and you've got a lot of gall trying to back-track by calling it a misunderstanding. Who do you think you are?

[Wake1]

Here it is with a little candy coating for you:

You spent a lot of time in that post explaining why your methods are awesome but you did not get to the point or share the end result of your analysis, the conclusion you have come to. That is really scummy and I am going to lynch your slot for it.

Don't add your own spin to my posts. I never said my methods were awesome. ^{That's from you.}

Also, you seem to think I was completely done, when I gave you

no

confirmation that I was. That is

your

assumption.

You will try.

[Wake1]

Who do you think YOU are?? You think you deserve to be treated differently than I treat anyone else while playing a game of mafia??? Yet you are the only one to complain about how your feelings are hurt ....

It absolutely is you misunderstanding me and misreading my posts and taking things way too personally. It has nothing to do with you.

I expect to be treated with general respect and common courtesy. You're no exception. The more you respond with your own brand of personal bile, the angrier I'm going to get with you. You know what? I'm beginning to think you really hate being questioned. Sorry, but you're not the only person playing in this game. First you ignorantly said I was narcissistic when you have absolutely NO clue what narcissism actually is, and then you say I'm sucking my own dick. What the hell.

You're hostile and emotional when people do to you what you do to others. We're both in this game, and I will not refrain from questioning you and your posts just because you're ETL, and I certainly won't tolerate any more of your bile when you thrash against me.

[Wake1]

Wake I get the impression you have not read the thread lately.

My large post was up to page 6-7. I wasn't done, and was preoccupied on another front on MS.net. That's possibly why you have that impression.

[Wake1]

You're hostile and emotional when people do to you what you do to others. We're both in this game, and I will not refrain from questioning you and your posts just because you're ETL, and I certainly won't tolerate any more of your bile when you thrash against me.

You are absolutely right I'm hostile and emotional when people question me.

But I don't go whining to the mod about it because it's part of the fucking game.

I called you narcissistic because that is exactly how your posts were sounding. You think I'm not going to fucking point it out??? I mean, come on. This is a game about analyzing more than just words. You have to analyze the attitude behind them.

Not to mention.....

um...

it's a game. I am asking you to please, please, please not take things I say in a game personally.

It is not personal.

Then that's your weakness, and everyone will exploit that. I have NO problem being questioned. Just don't vomit on me.

If what you said wasn't personal, then I guess you think our moderator was mistaken. You need to understand that some of the things you say are personal, and that there are consequences for your actions. If you tell your teacher to stop sucking his dick because you don't like what he has to say, life's not going to treat you well. I don't tell you all of the horrible, razor sharp things I could tell you for one reason: this is a game, and it's never good when you personally attack people who are just trying to play it. I'm no angel, either, but I'm not arrogant enough to not acknowledge my hurtful words when others point them out.

You don't know what narcissism is. You may not even know what the DSM is. You probably don't know the clinical manifestations of narcissism, or what it is as a whole. Likely all you're doing is regurgitating some other person's ignorant label of narcissism.

And you're absolutely right about this game being really complex and about analyzing the attitudes behind the words. But as you should know you need to be self-aware of your own bad attitude and the words that are coming out of your mouth. Just because you say something personal and say it isn't, that doesn't mean it wasn't personal. It's like me calling you something dirty, and then saying "Woah, chill, even though I called you something despicable, don't take it personally because I say so." Yeah, no. You need to wake up and stop what you're doing.

[Wake1]

ETL, does it bother you that DBK keeps following you?

He followed your vote on Lucky.
He followed your vote on Gamsimbre.
He followed your vote on me.

Does anyone else notice this?

[Wake1]

Game's not resting on my shoulders alone.

Once I'm caught up on my other games, I'll post here more.

[Wake1]

ETL, does it bother you that DBK keeps following you?

He followed your vote on Lucky.
He followed your vote on Gamsimbre.
He followed your vote on me.

Does anyone else notice this?

Don't ask questions with answers you already know.

I'm asking her, not you.

[Wake1]

OK, I've got a gut feeling. I'm going to entertain the idea.

What if ETL is Town, and DBK is Scum? Say DBK knows ETL as Town is a threat, so he keeps sheeping/buddying/following her. The reason he would do that as Scum is that, should he be lynched while ETL is alive, he would have made it seem that ETL was his partner, when she wasn't.

Please share your thoughts on this.

[Wake1]

ETL, does it bother you that DBK keeps following you?

He followed your vote on Lucky.
He followed your vote on Gamsimbre.
He followed your vote on me.

Does anyone else notice this?

Don't ask questions with answers you already know.

I'm asking her, not you.

Looks like it could be read one of two ways, considering the top question was directed at her, and the bottom at everyone.
You said does anyone ELSE notice this. You invited us to comment.

[Wake1]

Your buddying is blatant and very different from the lovers game.

VOTE: Bo

Another suspicion I have is that you're both Scum, and that this was merely an attempt to make it look like there's no pattern.

[Wake1]

Lucky2u

I don't read his vote on MS.net as Scum at all. His dice thing was gimmicky and his random vote on Aptil I read as null. Up to his (113) I don't have any real problems with what he's said. His paranoia of my defense of him from ETL felt slightly Townish. Slight Townread on his (148). His sarcasm reads as null. His (178) troubles me a bit because he thinks I'm derailing aggression, when what he doesn't seem to understand is that I'm questioning actions I find suspicious. Big difference. His comment I read as slightly Scummy. His (180) doesn't appear to register the fact that I hate mislynching Townies as Town. His ignorance in this one reads more as null. I want an explanation for his naked vote on Gamsimbre (303). He does seem a bit Townish in (329) for asking about ETL's meta.

In spite of my overall Leaning-Town read on you, you haven't done much, Lucky. I want to see more paragraphs and arguments from you, instead of tiny quips and annoying sarcasm.

[Wake1]

Keybladewielder

Completely, utterly null.

[Wake1]

Kalimar

Come back here. Seriously. Null. You've parked your vote on me (12/19/13), and later said you'd be back today. If anything your prod-dodge reads you as slightly Leaning-Scum.

[Wake1]

Mr_Blonde

You've only posted three times. In general I read pro-dodges as slightly Scummy. Him taking issue with Lucky's dice gimmick reads sort of opportunistic, so slight Scum read on that (254), too. I don't particularly understand his vote on Aptil, but I do await his upcoming posts. Right now I have him as slightly Leaning-Scum.

[Wake1]

Zebe

Not sure what to make of his first (143). Nothing particularly stands out in his first 5 posts. It's more or less just mild discussion on his reads. I sort of agree with his (349) about DBK and ETL. He should answer some questions and engage more, because there's something about his posts I can't put my finger on. I have him as a tentatively Leaning-Town.

[Wake1]

Doing reads one at a time helps me focus. I still intend to use my Annihilator Beam correctly, as well.

[Wake1]

Does Bo Know

You've got the most posts here. Out of the gates, you wanted me lynched (12)(21). I want to know why. Whenever someone mentions that they're not that good at Mafia (27), my radar lights up, so you're slightly leaning Scum for that. You've followed ETL in voting for Lucky (71); that one incident is null so far. In (85) you say you get exactly where ETL is coming from; this is null for now, too. Yet in (156) you then follow ETL a second time, and vote with her against Gamsimbre. At that point I'm beginning to make connections, and am now waiting to see if I can predict yet another instance of you following ETL in the future. And it doesn't help how, in that very same post, you said you were going to wait with giving answers on why you voted Gamsimbre, but apparently you didn't get to it. You also said you hiding a reason, and that the rest of your reasons are outlined by ETL. But, you say you're too lazy to go back and look. I don't like that, because it's suspicious, and at this point I'm Scumreading you.

When I ask you about it in (157) you basically told me to shut up (162). And in spite of what you said earlier about your reasons, you say you're just sheeping her, and that anything she's said you basically agree with. In the same post you make it known that you're starting to get a solid Town read on her. These additional events pique my interest, and now I'm going to keep my focus on you. I'm reading you as Scum now. As Scum you've been downplaying my questions, because you know damned well you're in trouble. Just so everyone knows, you deliberately start downplaying my posts in (195), (199), (209), and (213). Town accepts questions head-on, because Town has nothing to hide and wants to actively contribute and share thoughts, reads, and reactions in order to unearth Scum. You kept making excuses to avoid doing so. I'm Scumreading you here, too. Lastly, your (211) was a cheap attempt to manufacture suspicion. You net a Scumread here, too.

Your (228). ETL voted for Lucky because his first vote didn't engage any of the players here, but was directed towards Mafiascum.net itself. You take a noticeably negative stance on my useful

Annihilator Beam

, and you softly hiss with disdain at the very idea, although in the same breath you say the method itself is good. And what's weird—where it really starts to unravel—is that even though the method's good and the questions are nice... you had just said that I started my little Annihilator Beam crap. That's not consistent, and then you complain that I haven't used it on everyone yet even though you think it's crap but the method and questions are good. Another thing in that post that's weird is that you say "I do think every answer in ETL’s (140) is a sufficient post that one could gather from the questions asked in their current format." Yet again you speak for her on her behalf: "Just so we’re clear, I think the point of ETL’s vote on Gam was because of that one post Gam made, and that ETL wanted Gam to post more to get a better read, not because she suspected Gam for not posting." What are you, her spokesman?

In (232) you're actually asking ETL if you two could *please* go back to voting Gamsimbre. (233) and (234) sees you commenting on voting for Gam. Your (236), like ETL's (235), feels incredibly fake and ephemeral. It's swept into oblivion as quickly as it came about, and it will take far more than that to deceive me if both of you are Scum. Likewise, your crusade against Gamsimbre fizzles out in (247).

(268), (272), (274), (275), and (277) are your chances as Scum to convince me to replace out. It failed. Yet again you follow ETL's vote on me . Yet again he speaks for ETL in (334).

My conclusion is that DBK is Scum. The tricky part is whether ETL is Town and he's buddying her, or if the extremely quick vote on DBK by ETL is indicative of them trying to distance themselve, or at least dispel suspicions of a pattern. It's more likely that DBK is buddying Scum, and if ETL is Town she'd be wise to consider this post and all of the examples I've linked.

You wanted a conclusion? That's a conclusion.

[Wake1]

I'm not buying this drunk act.

*Reads ETL's forum posts*

...

I may have contributed to your drunken state.

Part of me wants to think your supposedly drunken posts here are a deliberate distraction. If it isn't, though, then it looks as though you find DBK Scummy, me not Scummy, and have unvoted me.

...the most you'll get from me right now on your "state" is the admission that you might actually be drunk.

As for you, DBK, I'll respond to you later. Now that I have some time freed up, I find myself very... able... in hunting Scum.

[Wake1]

False dilemma.

Hunting Scum.

[Wake1]

I need to put some effort in to reading the higher volume posters at some point, but I can already tell with Wake it's going to be hard.

Skimming, I noticed this.

Wake: 69 < DKB: 119

Fifty post difference.

[Wake1]

That's a skewed number considering PCs don't also count the number of characters in said posts.

@ Wake - Did you see my question in 383?

One more thing that should be noted is that, of all my posts, less than 5 are large. That's the problem with his comment.

I'll check it.

[Wake1]

Mr_Blonde

You've only posted three times. In general I read pro-dodges as slightly Scummy. Him taking issue with Lucky's dice gimmick reads sort of opportunistic, so slight Scum read on that (254), too. I don't particularly understand his vote on Aptil, but I do await his upcoming posts. Right now I have him as slightly Leaning-Scum.

@ Wake - which statement of mine regarding Aptil did you not understand? I actually like the ISO you did on me, the conclusion you did gives me a fairly strong town read for you. I, too, often rely on objective tells such as your prod-dodge annoyance for finding scum. It's never anything particularly solid for lynching someone, but it helps me diagnose players a bit more.

So besides DBK's sheeping of ETL, what else have we got on him that's lynch-worthy?

It's probably the way it was worded. It looks like your reason for voting Aptil was because he voted Lucky, because Lucky didn't vote some based on previous content, considering Aptil hadn't as well. If I'm not understanding that correctly, please clarify. If I did read it right, then I'm wondering why Aptil's vote deserved a vote, when it seemed Lucky had made multiple posts that weren't helpful. The only reason I defended Lucky from ETL was for his very first joke post she had turned into a mountain.

[Wake1]

I for one am humored by his attempts to dismiss my pressure on him. His latest spin is calling it tunneling.

Hopefully tomorrow I'll have more time to apply extra pressure.

[Wake1]

@ Anorway: I'll be V/LA until the 26th. Merry Christmas everyone.

[Wake1]

Please consider me V/LA until the next morning. I'll be fully online tomorrow.

[Wake1]

I'm OK with a DBK lynch, and to a lesser extent a Cheery Dog lynch.

[Wake1]

My push on Wake wasn't totally a scum push. It was also part-"Get your shit together."

Being very busy isn't the same as avoiding. Avoiding's a conscious effort.

@Wake: why are you okay with a Cheery lynch?

If memory serves, he was content to blissfully wade through the background, while not participating much in the main battles.

As a side note, I'm operating around 11% energy. I can't remember too well every sequential post in this thread. Should other games resolve, or enter Night, more time will be freed. As much as I appreciate Mafia, it is a game, and is not real-life business with real-life consequences.

[Wake1]

I have no issue lynching Cheery today. His 9, 58, and 431 weren't forgotten. Should he flip Town, DBK season will open.

VOTE: Cheery Dog

[Wake1]

My previous mentions of you - what do those have to do with my lynch?

They're not game-related reasons; and that should be obvious. It's the sugar on top that makes your lynch more favorable than DBK's, especially with time running out. There is the distinct possibility that you being nicer to me would have prevented this from happening. That makes me wonder exactly what you feel about this.

[Wake1]

I've forgotten where I even was in this game, and am increasingly unable to devote time to games in general. I may need to replace out of this one, too.

[Wake1]

Don't be ashamed to do it. I've done the same thing before and it makes my play in other games much better.

Exactly so. If I told you why I don't have the time or the energy to play in all thee games, all of you would understand. One thing that's been hurting me for some time is a chronic bacterial ear infection that's lasted over two years. Either I haven't been able to afford seeing the doctor, or I take issue with paying $300 to see the doctor just to get a $40 prescription for antibiotics. This bacterial infection causes a very thick, slimy mucus to perpetually drain from one's ear down, down through the eustachian tube, and into the stomach. After enough time, the thick layer of indigestible bacterial slime festers within the stomach, inducing extreme nausea and vomiting. Heavy, thick strands of clear, disgustingly thick slime. Not only that, but every single day it's a draining fight on my immune system as my body fights against the ear infection, in order to prevent things like mastoiditis or bacterial meningitis, the latter of which can kill a healthy young man within 3 days. So, I am always tired. Drained. Tired. Drained. Some may think I am energetic in these games, but that is not my full capability. To add to this story, on a potentially unethical note, one of my clients heard my story, and decided to give me her fresh bottle of x30 Amoxicillin (sand) (500mg) antibiotics, for free (she no longer needed them), which is exactly what I needed because Amoxicillin is the main antibiotic used to combat the sickness. This is just one little tidbit hiding behind the veil of why I post as I do.

[Wake1]

I can't. Just absolutely drained physically and mentally from non-game-related issues.

Anorway, please replace me out. I'd like to see this game to the end, but my current health is keeping me from playing to the level I'm certainly capable of.

[Wake1]

Although, if you'd make me a Spectator in your Dead QT thread, I would appreciate that.