Destiny Mafia II: The Rule of Fates [Endgame]

[SpyreX]

Unvote, Vote Bulblazak

I like the surprise fate join HE DIDNT TELL ME ABOUT turning into this list <3

[SpyreX]

OMG DGB

Off until squid goes to bed much later. Naptime I miss thee

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This is some pretty intense misrep and agenda pushing.

Vote: Nuwen

Go ahead and explain.

Where the shit did controller of fate come from or is this just a gf joke writ large?

[SpyreX]

Ohh good this game BRINGIN THE HEAT

1.) What is "it's" because there's a couple replies there and I want to see which one is "genuine".
2.) How in the shit does that turn into "forcing" votes?
3.) What accusation is "unfounded"?

Damn son that was a lot of words that spun around the bush so many times its almost like beating it.

[SpyreX]

1. 12 and 16.
2. I dunno, inverted commas because it did. But apparently it does.
3. The accusation that bulba is scum despite the reasoning being a misrep.

So lets take a trip down memory lane already

Staeg votes Nuwen
Kats votes Nuwen
Bulb votes Kuribo
Reck votes Nuwen
Bulb says "I'm missing something..."
FakeGod votes Nuwen
Reck cheers speedwagon because speedwagons are awesome
Staeg continues because see above

Nuwen asks Bulb why he's not voting her.

Bulb then goes "Probably because I don't understand what's going on with the Nuwen wagon."

So, that leads to this:

Vote Bulbazak

self-conscious AND not bothering to pressure anyone voting for me, even though in his mind the wagon is questionable. just neutral comments until something else forces his hand.

So, wheres the misrep there? Cause, thats pretty much exactly what happened.

I can't tell if you're just being captain saveaho or what here hence my actually explaining this with WORDS.

For a fun drinking game click on this link: http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... er_sort=Go

Every time you see something that amounts to "gee I just dont understand" take a drink.

Then get yo drunk asses in here and vote

[SpyreX]

Thats exactly what I'd think it was. Aint for the younglings to see a good ol fashion Page 1 lynch. But hand wringing instead of joining party time OR going "stop you idiots"?

Sideliners can eat a fire of hell and brimstone.

PS MY GAME GOES INTO SIGNUPS ANYTIME NOW

[SpyreX]

Unvote, Vote: ActionDan
Unvote, Vote: Bulbazak

I want to shoot Esp in the face a lot. Someone convince me thats a bad idea.

Also real stuff after new years.

[SpyreX]

RECK get in here and do things make the fire.

AD's town or magnificent at not trying to oversell a fakery which I really doubt.
Nu's town.
DGB's town.
Kuribo's probably town.

RC I actually didn't think scum because I saw some method in the madness till loljkguys. I'd shoot it in the face.
Kats makeout fights on me will shake themselves out.

Espeonage saying he is null on bulba as a function of everything else makes me want him dead a lot.
Bulba's still scum and the reasons for it are still the same.

I'm almost talking myself into Esp out of Bulba but thats just because every esp post makes me want to kill him more.

[SpyreX]

Nah I just want to kill him the most in my heart of hearts.

He's 83 towns rolled into one.

You quoted an old post and the one right above you should make that clear

YES I THINK HE'S SCUM ZZZ

[SpyreX]

Sorry that was rollover rage you didn't deserve that yet.

Although when I think about this game I have no feelings on you at all which is a bad thing

So you'll probably deserve it soon

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My bad I misread I thought you just needed the votes

Unvote, Vote: AD

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Nah its something else AD but one thing at a time

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Spy isn't playing how I remember him as playing as scum.

spy as scum is slippery as fuck and never to be trusted


i take solace in knowing that i'll always suspect him enough in games that he can never take me to lylo

<3

I still have your graph somewhere.

I'm not scum though. Look at AD. Look at Esp. Look at Esp's post this page. Let it wash into you.

[SpyreX]

Yea he's town.

[SpyreX]

Ohh please AD have a trick up your sleeve so we can powerbomb Esp.

PS MY GAME IS IN SIGNUPS GO FILL IT

[SpyreX]

Bwhahaha fuuuck that

If you weren't fakeclaiming Kuri, and you do have a miller shot. I will take it as a scum claim if you use that before I have my result on you.

Kuribo if you dont use THE GREATEST BLESSING FROM MANKIND because of something boy wonder said I will never invite you to another birthday party.

But, I'd still be shooting him in the head omg cop claim or not because of the following:

1.) He claimed on you instead of Nuwen. You know the person he was so hot and bothered on Fate blushed IRL?
2.) After hearing you have a dayvig instead of pretending to be useful and just tracking someone else to meditate on later (lollz) he was still going to use it.
3.) This is what happens tonight if you don't shoot I ALL BUT GUARANTEE:
- You die
- OHH NOES KURIBO DIED AND I TOTALLY SAW HE WAS TOWN
- Shock and awe

Mind you its a longshot scum with no NK but then you wasted D1 and thats too stupid to be true and you're town so.

But, even if you dont want to be the coolest kid you can still shoot bulb and captain fancypants can explain why he's alive D4.

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I'm talkin to Kuribo right now sir.

When the time comes for other things, dont you worry none

[SpyreX]

You've picked a real special time to be cheeky. Glad it all makes sense now.

Well, most of it:

Unvote

Vote: ActionDan

L-1.

Vote: AD

My god

Did you hammer him?

I don't think either of these guys are town guys
Bulb can still get shot probably idk

The question everyone should be asking is: why would you try to direct the vig away from obvious vig bait?

Vote Staeg

Well assume you mean Esp is the obvious shot.

Which is right.

Which is why he was included.

Or did you just see another name saying you needed to die and not actually read what he said.

[SpyreX]

Don't worry if you're telling the truth scum have no reason to kill you. You could be 9 shot deathcop and after the stellar performance well.

Of course I dont like SUPER COINCIDENCES like you copping Kuribo after he's put a barrell to your brainstem and then having the sheer audacity to try and strongarm.

I mean, its like getting swatted by a declawed cat who has subsisted only on lard and can barely muster the energy to wheeze, but you get the drift.

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Are you serious?

Staeg quoted Esp.
Staeg quoted FG
Staeg said THESE ARE NOT TOWN
Staeg said you could shoot bulb idk.

Is the fact he left out the word (too) in the last the tripup part?

This is the strangest thing I've seen someone latch onto in forever

[SpyreX]

DGB you gave the majick?

[SpyreX]

So, DGB town, Kuribo town game on.

Although you break my heart some

[SpyreX]

Yo DGB (AND NO ONE ELSE DUH):

You have "charging mechanics"?

Okay, so Staeg thinks Esp and FG are scum. Whoop-de-doo! Esp is vig bait anyway, that's not much of a proclamation. Heck, if he wanted to say "Bulba is scum as well.", that wouldn't have been a problem either. However, he ignores what is being said about Esp (PL/vig) and focuses on the nullish of his reads being vigged, instead of the read that is clearly PL related! He made a choice to say "Go for the guy who's not here at the moment." rather than "Go for the guy that is going to be the most contentious for the town.". That's not a town process. You can try to mince words as much as you like, but that is not a freaking town process! Staeg was trying to tell the vig to perform the action that would give town the least amount of information! And he felt no one would call him out on it, because everybody is too busy being pretentious and self-congratulating to notice what's going on!

Call him out on what?

Saying if he could he'd kill the lot of you, but

of the three

, you were the one he was unsure of?

Staeg, you are officially called out.

[SpyreX]

I WILL NOT NUWEN

WE DONT SPEAK OF THAT GAME

[SpyreX]

Call him out on what?

Saying if he could he'd kill the lot of you, but

of the three

, you were the one he was unsure of?

Staeg, you are officially called out.

Are you being deliberately obtuse?

It's also an "easy" undiscussesd person to bring up when we have a bad claim to deal with.

Then either policy lynch Espeonage or let Kuribo shoot him. Otherwise, we have 3 scum to find in 11 players, so you'll excuse me if I don't want to get bogged down with matters of policy.

Yea, I sure am.

Cause did he really need to preface his statement with "In a universe where a vig exists and doesn't point that trigger at Espeonage and just click and click and click until the gun is flaccid and needs to go out for a cigarette, I would shoot FG and maybe Bulba"

Because that universe doesn't exist.

No vig in the history of vigs would have not taken that shot.

The rest is simple supposition that is a

good thing always and forever

to get out.

Glomping onto that is the strangest thing I've seen in a long, long time. And I'm old and filled with adventures.

Thats leaving aside the fact that you already put up the omg vla blinders like thats a great shield AND that you've very, very carefully managed to not actually say one word about whats actually going on today.

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I missed Esp's actual breadcrumb and I could give two shits about the claim by itself but no way in hell do I see D1 playing out the way it did with a scum-Esp swinging a maneuver like that.

Nu is town. The initial bite was fine but then spiraled out of control into a nonsense world. I wouldn't let up after the the whole lying about the post thing god damnit.
Reck is town. Its not the hate, but the apology midstream that sells it. Call me rusty all you want, but thats the difference there and I KNOW YELLING AND REAL YELLING.

Reck now that you're here xplain RC because it looks like standard grain nonsense

Unvote, Vote: Bulb

Spoiler: just read this

"Policy lynch" are not the words to describe the guy who took too much posts // too much time to compose a claim that allows for an additional night of actions WHILE pinning down the guy with the gun. His claim is obviously intended to stay Kuribo's shot PERIOD because we are definitely going to vig scum, whether ESP or defaulting back to Bulbz
Phone post.

Okay, then vote him. Do something! Don't just sit there on your big fat butt and argue definitions with me.

Cause did he really need to preface his statement with "In a universe where a vig exists and doesn't point that trigger at Espeonage and just click and click and click until the gun is flaccid and needs to go out for a cigarette, I would shoot FG and maybe Bulba"

Except he didn't say that. He didn't say "Hey, here's 3 vig targets!". He said "Esp and FG are scum. Oh, and vig. Bulba.". He ignored the person that should have been vigged, i.e. Espeonage, who was causing a lot of contention in the town, and instead focused on the easy target who hadn't been around, which would have given town zero information. And why am I making a big deal about this? Because by trying to steer the vig. away from the contentious read, which would have spared town a lot of trouble, he instead was trying to set up a scenario where town does absolutely zero scumhunting because they're concerned about a policy lynch. It was a freaking one-two punch, and he slipped it in at a time where everybody was too concerned about Esp hammering AD to notice it!

Thats leaving aside the fact that you already put up the omg vla blinders like thats a great shield AND that you've very, very carefully managed to not actually say one word about whats actually going on today.

Why should I say anything about it? Kuribo is either going to shoot Esp, or town is going to lynch him, if not today, then soon. It's a black hole that distracts from scumhunting, and since Esp is unlikely to make it much further in the game, what is the sense of focusing on it. Scum are using this as a shield, and I'm saying we don't let them. If you don't agree, fine. Put your vote where your mouth is. Otherwise, I don't think it hurts to look elsewhere.

I'm thinking Staeg, Nuwen, Spyrex for scum team with outside chance on RC and DGB depending on how the claim goes.

Vote: Staeg

Hey, FG. You have some reads to explain.

I'm likeing RC as town. He didn't take the easy bait he could have if he was scum. Reck, however, did.

[SpyreX]

NNNNNnnno.

If town and town are shredding each other apart then scum will be hesitant to comment on it as it puts them in an awkward position.

DGB called us town v town because that's easier than picking sides.

RC ignored the entire clusterfuck completely.

Both of those are really scummy things to do.

I dont think its about picking sides.

I may not (and I don't remember I'm taking your word) find scum reck but I can sure as hell find town reck once he puts his feet down. That was town reck.

Rereading it I had an ohhhh shit moment when Nuwen started with the cache that turned into you lying. That would be hard to not bite into and the simple fact it went all :catdrugs: from there doesn't change that initial piece. I think Nu is town.

Watching you two shred each other even if one of you were scum would be better because its such a morale killer.

See I look at RC's back and forth on esp and I actually see townish. I mean every fiber of my being wants to shoot him dead but once I saw the crumb it would be a bad idea at this point.

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Reck's addon is legit fyi and Lone Wolf + Esp's play = 3rd party on first blush.

Kuribo's shot is town.

FG having comments on everyone on that wagon but kats of the nothing is really cool.

The deal wasn't that the crumb was SUPER AWESOME or anything like that but for Esp to be scum he would have had the foresight to A.) Fakeclaim Cop B.) Fakeclaim it with mechanics that made sense and then C.) Play as bad as possible and hope there wasn't a real cop to get him murdered.

Yea I've fakeclaimed before but in conjunction with THAT? Dag

All that said I still dont like staeg wagon.

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This is also so bad I dont even know.

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I missed Esp's actual breadcrumb and I could give two shits about the claim by itself but no way in hell do I see D1 playing out the way it did with a scum-Esp swinging a maneuver like that.

Nu is town. The initial bite was fine but then spiraled out of control into a nonsense world. I wouldn't let up after the the whole lying about the post thing god damnit.
Reck is town. Its not the hate, but the apology midstream that sells it. Call me rusty all you want, but thats the difference there and I KNOW YELLING AND REAL YELLING.

Reck now that you're here xplain RC because it looks like standard grain nonsense

Unvote, Vote: Bulb

Spoiler: just read this

"Policy lynch" are not the words to describe the guy who took too much posts // too much time to compose a claim that allows for an additional night of actions WHILE pinning down the guy with the gun. His claim is obviously intended to stay Kuribo's shot PERIOD because we are definitely going to vig scum, whether ESP or defaulting back to Bulbz
Phone post.

Okay, then vote him. Do something! Don't just sit there on your big fat butt and argue definitions with me.

Cause did he really need to preface his statement with "In a universe where a vig exists and doesn't point that trigger at Espeonage and just click and click and click until the gun is flaccid and needs to go out for a cigarette, I would shoot FG and maybe Bulba"

Except he didn't say that. He didn't say "Hey, here's 3 vig targets!". He said "Esp and FG are scum. Oh, and vig. Bulba.". He ignored the person that should have been vigged, i.e. Espeonage, who was causing a lot of contention in the town, and instead focused on the easy target who hadn't been around, which would have given town zero information. And why am I making a big deal about this? Because by trying to steer the vig. away from the contentious read, which would have spared town a lot of trouble, he instead was trying to set up a scenario where town does absolutely zero scumhunting because they're concerned about a policy lynch. It was a freaking one-two punch, and he slipped it in at a time where everybody was too concerned about Esp hammering AD to notice it!

Thats leaving aside the fact that you already put up the omg vla blinders like thats a great shield AND that you've very, very carefully managed to not actually say one word about whats actually going on today.

Why should I say anything about it? Kuribo is either going to shoot Esp, or town is going to lynch him, if not today, then soon. It's a black hole that distracts from scumhunting, and since Esp is unlikely to make it much further in the game, what is the sense of focusing on it. Scum are using this as a shield, and I'm saying we don't let them. If you don't agree, fine. Put your vote where your mouth is. Otherwise, I don't think it hurts to look elsewhere.

I'm thinking Staeg, Nuwen, Spyrex for scum team with outside chance on RC and DGB depending on how the claim goes.

Vote: Staeg

Hey, FG. You have some reads to explain.

I'm likeing RC as town. He didn't take the easy bait he could have if he was scum. Reck, however, did.

Reading. Fundamental.

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How does that reaction make him town at all. Don't you agree that SCUM are the first to react/suspect third party factions, because they're the ones who'll be surprised by a not-town flip? Reck's confusion FITS the bill of scum reacting to ambiguity because he was trying to parse the flip as 3rd p / town ("it was grey"!), not scum/town like someone without info would.

And this is just the latest in a long series of pretty exclusively scum-motivated plays.

I was elated at first blush because I saw the word LONE and blue. I also have the attention span of a goldfish and after an infinite amount of games green = good red = bad other colors = OHH snap.

So, if it was real time and I was around I would be living Reck's life now.

Take a step back, remove Reck from the Reckoner and relook at that all as if he was entirely an unknown. There is way too much personal creeping in.

OHH LOOK KATS YOU CALLED IT GEE GOLLY GOSH

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oh, bulb pulling shit straight out of his bowels? And then spyspy trying to talk to him about it and that not really working out? Yeah nope

This too. THIS IS NOT GETTING LOST.

YOU GUYS LOVE READING. GO REREAD EVERYTHING BULB AS SAID.

REMEMBER THAT BULB IS ALSO THE TARGET OF AFFRONTERY

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That wasn't there when I got to it.

Regardless I would say if you got someone thinking mafia and said GREEN they would go town, RED would go scum BLUE would go Sk.

blahblah of PM's or what not its ingrained in us like bacon being delicious

[SpyreX]

So far in the game:

ADan asks to be at L-1.
Esp hammers him out of the blue.
Ansuz dies.
Kuribo's got a gun.
Esp claims cop.
People apparently don't believe him even though it's pretty obvious that Esp's town.
Esp gets wagoned then shot. Flips town cop.

What do we do now?

We lynch the people who wagoned Esp.

PROFIT

I'm going to have to give up on my holy crusade soon.

If I do, its gonna be for this.

BUT NOT YET I CAN HOPE

Unvote, Vote Bulbs

Spoiler: Secrets only for Nuwen

RECKONER IS TOWN

Spoiler: Secrets only for Reckoner

NUWEN IS TOWN

So take a step back breathe and imagine for TWO WHOLE PAGES that you dont exist to each other. GIVE ME THAT MUCH

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You're just being obtuse on purpose now, aren't you?

Quick someone else starting talking to Bulb so he can say this a third time to step away from things.

Maybe with three times someone will ACTUALLY PAY ATTENTION TO WHAT I AM SAYING.

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If I recall correctly, Kuribo didn't shoot Esp until there was a wagon on him.

It seems like the wagon forced kuribo's hand, which I understand completely.

I rather not lose a dayvig power I could've used.

tl dr: There's nothing that guaranteed that Kuribo was going to shoot Esp.

Heck he already faked a shot on Esp before all that.

I'M GONNA SPEAK FOR KURIBO CAUSE I CAN

The wagon didn't mean shit. Esp lolhammered and then turned into panic mode before actually laying down his crumb which didn't even happen right away AND was trying to strongarm kuribo.

I'd have shot it so many times.

When the only reason I went away from it was that the idea of scum espeonage playing THAT BAD and faking that crumb wasn't meshing thats really not a reason to pish posh it.

Gunning after that wagon because lol, cop flip is lazy and bad and probably scum.

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P.S. Considering that esp said instead of using his role usefully he was going to get the result on Kuribo (which was also stupid and would have meant no shot) then Kuribo-scum could have SHOT SOMEONE ELSE for double profit.

[SpyreX]

Why would that force the vigshot on Esp?

There was no way today was ending without Kuribo shooting.

[SpyreX]

Two major problems:

1.) He wasn't a "cop" - he was a neutered variant that had announced he was going to USE IT BADLY even if Kuribo was scum.
2.) There is no way in hell that that wagon actually goes through without a shot without turning that wagon into a giant ball of death.

The ONLY scenario I can really see scum pushing the shit out of that is if they were afraid that Kuribo would shoot them. And that wagon was at its peak was:
Espeonage (4): DGB, Staeg, Katsuki, Nuwen (L-2)

DGB scum giving Kuribo that and then voting out of fear makes no sense.
I'm all kinds of jaded on Staeg due to Bulb's nonsense but I dont see Staeg going full bore there.
Kats is more useless than I remember, so sure.
Nu I still think is town but even scum Nu knows better than to think that lynch is going to go through before the shot.

So maybe if its Kats and some wombocombo of bad afraid of getting shot I could buy it

Actually shit that may be true

[SpyreX]

Fucking internet or mafiascum:

You and Nu have formed some kind of butt centipede and I like THIS reck a lot more.

Fuck you're gonna make me reread this aren't you.

My ticklehate was some kind of Kats+Bulb+???

Lets take a step farther back - who would you think Kuribo would have shot if NOT Esp?

[SpyreX]

But didn't the wagon start BEFORE that started? I swear to god Nu, who was last, was there before arguing with you.

God damnit theres something here I can't see it

[SpyreX]

I can't tonight I want to soon though. RL has made me a shell of a human being and I've come to relish this short time before bed

Now I REALLY have to go look.

[SpyreX]

I see what I was thinking.

She was all over Esp even after the claim but didn't vote until after the simmer down.

Hmmm

[SpyreX]

Sigh

Fuck this nonsense Staeg lets go

Unvote, Vote: FakeGod

[SpyreX]

Jesus christ you're making me agree with Bulbs

THAT IS WHERE WE ARE NOW

[SpyreX]

If he's just a compromise then why is it everyone is calling him scum, yet for the longest time only I was voting him?

Its a "compromise" for me because clearly its not going my way and I still am not down with the clowns that is everything else going on.

FG is killable in his own right, just not my fav

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You're right we don't "lose" a mislynch.

But we sure as shit dont "gain" a scum lynch.

Unless you really think with how today went a.) we'd want to repeat it EVER and b.) there's not going to be a shitload of information with whomever and whatever the flip is since there's been a lot of hard stances for once

[SpyreX]

Soooo not even pretending to care about Nuwen getting lynched versus saving your own ass at this point?

Or its entirely coincidence this happened after you became legit?

[SpyreX]

No seriously Nu look at this.

You can even start in on reck nonsense again tomorrow!

Look reck you can totally wifom the wifoms and vote with Nu

EVERYONE WINS

[SpyreX]

Its cool I've got aloe to cover sick burns

But seriously I want the picture painted where lets not even try and hope the scum do us favors is a good idea

[SpyreX]

Damnit dont be that way I've done my best to save you from the wolves

I BELIEVED IN YOU

BELIEVE IN ME

[SpyreX]

WTF is this.

The FG kill was not from scum, I really really really doubt we have a non-town kill floating around.

They wont shoot tonight.

You all half claimin keep it in your pants and do this right.

Unvote, Vote: NL

[SpyreX]

Reck you're vanilla and thought you had something to do with that based on Fate messin with you?

Lets play the explaining game sir but with this new development we're lynching today.

Unvote

[SpyreX]

Unvote, Vote: xRECKONERx

[SpyreX]

THIS

Was a game.

I still call minor teaparty even though it worked out on guaranteed kill != guaranteed kill FATE

I really cant say what happened here at all though