Touhou: Mafia in the Land of Fantasy (Game Over)

[Mac]

BLA BLA BLA

i'm catching up today. see you soon

[Mac]

Mac please come in and obvtown or I'm going to assume you're hiding in a scum QT and that would make me very sad.

OBVTOWN ROLE PM CHECKING IN!

let me just finish my reading and we can mosey on up together in a turtle formation

[Mac]

Holy shit seriously? He hasn't even posted!

So uh guys that care. Townslip?

what?? please tell me you know better

[Mac]

yeah I'm reading as a go and making a mental note of reads, but that made me spit water out almost. Why would you consider that a townslip when it looks fake as fuck? And by fake as fuck, I mean it reads to me like a joke.

[Mac]

pie's reads in #366 are meh but the lushlife one is especially shit about the townslip about IC (ill be fucked if i can remember their name) - kaze in his

TOWN BLOC

because he can't read him? hahahahaha

I can't read muffin usually so he's town!

[Mac]

in fact theyre not even meh they're shit. FACT

[Mac]

morph isn't town guyz

I wish you could see it

hi honey.

can we push morph aside for now because I'm not sold but I think they might be town? it'll be like watching tv and the cat jumping up in your face. we can put them on the other couch to sleep.

[Mac]

BLA BLA BLA

i'm catching up today. see you soon

Hey so are we!

Wanna schedule a date to chat? I'll be here around 7pm EST

- Des

if you wanna dance Desp then that's fine. Cha Cha slide?

[Mac]

morph isn't town guyz

I wish you could see it

hi honey.

can we push morph aside for now because I'm not sold but I think they might be town? it'll be like watching tv and the cat jumping up in your face. we can put them on the other couch to sleep.

We're not touching Morph today. Mollie handed reading the slot to me, and I think it's town.

Vote Bubba.

I've always like you Majiffy.

But no, maybe, but not yet.

[Mac]

Vote: Kagami

[Mac]

Hey that's a lovely page topper. who wants to join?

[Mac]

well this conversation is turning me off

[Mac]

has an IC ever been policy lynched?

[Mac]

I came pretty close to wanting to in xenogears if that counts.

at least notscience just didn't do much. this is physically making me want to have glass eyes with every post.

[Mac]

DONT ENCOURAGE HIM

[Mac]

[quote="kaze"]What's up?[quote]

The severe lack of nothing in Kagami's ISO is alarming. I think the vote on Remembrance is bullshit given Rem can't defend himself. And poor, considering it doesn't really make sense.

[Mac]

mac remember how in anything goes I wanted mastina dead on d1 but noooooooo people were townreading them despite ap and I, who know him well, telling every1 they were wrong.

remember how they went on to win the game? this is kind of like that

who are you talking about here? alot of people scumread mastin including me, but as time went strong my voice wasn't strong enough to deter DGB's "kat is town don't touch" attitude

[Mac]

mac remember how in anything goes I wanted mastina dead on d1 but noooooooo people were townreading them despite ap and I, who know him well, telling every1 they were wrong.

remember how they went on to win the game? this is kind of like that

who are you talking about here? alot of people scumread mastin including me, but as time went strong my voice wasn't strong enough to deter DGB's "kat is town don't touch" attitude

I am not talking about I am talking ab out dgb, kuribo, etc.

mac plz listen to me. morph is scum

can you summarize the case?

[Mac]

Vote: pieguy

Firstly, his town bloc was terrible.

for now, I'll townread Tsukasa. he's being proactive early and there's also a ton of defiance in his posts that I tend to attribute more to a town mindset. I especially noticed it here

I'll also townread Lush Life for being obvtown and legitimately townslipping re: Jaqen. also bubbajack for being proactive early. I'll also townread Kaze bc I can't read him for shit and I tend to pick up on a lot of shit from him and I get the feeling if he was scum he'd be more careful and I'd pick up less
morph's frustration re: mollie feels town but idk if they'd get frustrated as scum plus I'm paranoid as fuck about them for practically no reason =.=

townblock: me, Kaze, Lush Life, bubbajack, Jaqen, Tsukasa

I don't like the "for now" in the first post, because it looks to me like he's shaping up change his mind later on in the game, OR doesn't have confidence in his read. If it's the former, he's probably scum and if it's the latter, why the fuck is Tsu in his townbloc? Lush Life I wouldn't mind being in the townbloc - but he quotes the "townslip" which is totally bullshit because the townslip was

based on Cabd's perception of a slip

- not his own. Personally, I wouldn't consider it a slip in any game, but that's my view. pieguy doesn't express belief this is the case, he just goes with it.

Let's not get started on townreading Kaze because pie is... unable to form a read on him?

Second point is this

vote: morph

still not sure about the "slip" but oh well I'll bite for now

I mean I'm pretty sure pie is pretty fucking logical in games, yet this is what he comes up with? Not pushing his own reads, and pushing morph based on a slip

he's not even sure about?

Yeah, right.

[Mac]

interesting. i thought you'd be a lot more wary about putting me anywhere near your town reads, not the first person you call town

Shweetums, you know I wouldn't town you for a while. I was being pieguy for a second - if you'd read the post, you would've understand. Why didn't you read the whole post?

[Mac]

Kaze, I feel like you're the only dude who knows I'm here so I'm gonna just chat with you and stuff.

I don't have any good reads. I haven't been giving this game much attention. If I rolled scum, this wouldn't be a problem, since, y'know, this game can ramble on without me.
Pieguyn is not on the usual town ball. That's important to notice.
Then again, neither am I.

One of Lush Life, GCBC(previously morph), Kise, Pie, and zMuffin is scum, if not more. Just lynch that list and we'll be gold.

Easy fuckin' peasy.
VOTE: GoodCopBadCop

Hey V, you're town but hoping one from a list of five is scum is not a good return.

[Mac]

morph's posting about the townslip made sense because there's no way scum would all post 3 in a row questioning cabd have an IC they all missed on his reads list. especially if he's hard townreading Lush/maybe kaze. move along, thank you.

[Mac]

Prod dodge failed, activate prod response. Dang, I didn't know this started. I'll do something in an hour or two.

We all got day start PMs, so why didn't you know?

[Mac]

I dont know what you're accusing me on in my spoiler, bubba. Can you summarise it a little more neatly?

[Mac]

I don't like some of your hypocrisy, and I did ask you some questions.

Summarise them. I don't think I've been hypocritical either

[Mac]

Put bork on the line so I can talk about Kagami and how they are not town

[Mac]

Summary: In 464 you say "I can't read muffin usually so he's town!" Yet later when you're making a case on pie you say "Let's not get started on townreading Kaze because pie is... unable to form a read on him?"

Yeah, that was a joke. I thought this was evident from the post.

[Mac]

Put bork on the line so I can talk about Kagami and how they are not town

Here in limited capacity. Talk to me.

Hey, sorry, it was like 2am and I was falling asleep. But what are you seeing in Kagami that makes you think town?

[Mac]

Put bork on the line so I can talk about Kagami and how they are not town

I actually agree with this. mac you were starting to worry me for a minute cos we weren't clicking.

anybody who has messiah as town is fucking nuts. they have only made 3 posts and not I am able to get a read off of them and I can probably read them better than any1 else on this site

I'm glad we're starting to click. Life's always smoother when you're #teammollie

What do you make of desp's reach out to both of us then not following through?

[Mac]

mac

mac

mac

y u ignor3 m3 mac

treat 'em mean, keep 'em keen.

[Mac]

I was being pieguy for a second - if you'd read the post, you would've understand

it didn't look like a pie impersonation but sure, whatever

what are your reads outside of pieguy?

pie's reads in #366 are meh but the lushlife one is especially shit about the townslip about IC (ill be fucked if i can remember their name) - kaze in his

TOWN BLOC

because he can't read him? hahahahaha

I can't read muffin usually so he's town!

I'm genuinely struggling to see how you are not getting it as a clear joke about pie's kaze read. just... how?

Outside of pie, I'm scumreading Kagami hard too. Lighter scumreads exist in the form of Katarina, MC, and to an extent, yourself.

[Mac]

i didn't read it as related to the previous line, i read it as being a different thought in your catch-up process *shrug*

what don't you like about my posts?

nothing about them stands out particularly. normally you have an opinion where i'll nod in agreement or a post which will bring a new light into my life, but so far I'm not seeing it. the only possibly 'controversial' thing in your iso so to speak is voting morph but as far as i can see, you are riding off this cabd slip bullshit which is quite frankly a poison to the thread - mainly because, you know, it probably wasn't a slip? what are your reads looking like?

[Mac]

morph's posting about the townslip made sense because there's no way scum would all post 3 in a row questioning cabd have an IC they all missed on his reads list. especially if he's hard townreading Lush/maybe kaze. move along, thank you.

Not really sure what you're saying in this post but I'll kindly disagree that GCBC is town.

why?

I'll explain what I mean: I think it's a train of thought brought into the thread. he thinks it's a townslip because bubba missed it and apparently town are less likely to read the posts. but as it turns out, alot of people missed it (and by alot - bubba, Lush and Kaze in the space of three posts) so yeah I think he tossed the theory out of the window there and then. not rocket science.

Evidently you realised Jaqen was IC at the point, yes?

[Mac]

The following are a collection of people that have supported the Bubba scumread and have failed to pony up with a vote;
{Kise, Muffin, pieguy, Kaze, Jaqen, Katarina}

Given my townreads on Muffin and Kaze, and Jaqen's IC status, we are left with;
{Kise, pieguy, Katarina}

If you feel any of these players are possibly scum, you should help me lynch Bubba, as they have explicitly stated support, forcing their hand to bus their buddy.
We can lynch their scumbutts next.



The following are a list of players who have explicitly stated they do not like my case on Bubba without actually refuting anything specific;
{Bubba, Dramonic, Jaqen}

Given Jaqen is an IC and also supports a Bubba scumread I believe we can define him now as the town VI.

Bubba and possibly Dram are scum, along with the aforementioned grouping.

VOTE: Bubba

Can we stop dilly-dallying and do this now?

New page bump.

This is such a shit reason, it hurt my eyes

[Mac]

normally you have an opinion where i'll nod in agreement or a post which will bring a new light into my life

what do you mean "normally" btw? because two out of the three games i've played with you, i've been scum. and the other game i don't remember interacting with you much, if at all, nor you commenting on pretty much anything i was doing

why do we have to be interacting for me to agree?

[Mac]

I just want to say that thee are an awful lot whiners in this game.

@mod - I am fine with the way jaqen posts mebbe cos I get since them jaqen was 1 of my favourite characters. I think some people are being a bit petty with they are treating them.

Put bork on the line so I can talk about Kagami and how they are not town

I actually agree with this. mac you were starting to worry me for a minute cos we weren't clicking.

anybody who has messiah as town is fucking nuts. they have only made 3 posts and not I am able to get a read off of them and I can probably read them better than any1 else on this site

I'm glad we're starting to click. Life's always smoother when you're #teammollie

What do you make of desp's reach out to both of us then not following through?

mollie <3 mac

I don't think the reach out was sincere. at the time I said to myself, "that looks a little forced" but I wanted to see what else they did and look guess what they did nothing. desp has been posting elsewhere on site so I know he has been around but he has been avoiding this game like the plague and I know it has nothing to do with conflict cos that sort of stuff is what bothers him I mean usually he is the 1 who is right in the middle of it. town desp loves being town with town us cos our triumvirate is awsum. that he isn't in this game yet makes me lean scum on them they just got done with upick asofai where they gave an awsum scum performance I mean it was spectular and it might just be that they are bit burnt out with that alignment. that is my theory anyways. so yeah I am seeing them as scummy I was hoping that desp would do something amazing this morning when he was but no, he hasn't.

so I am leaning scum on them.

I have been whispering in borky's ear about how awful messiah looks and he is the best for a lynch today but the bubba wagong is weirdly picking up steam for the shittiest of reasons. bubba is flailing a bit and looks awful but he soft claimed special so just let scum take care of him but borky thinks that it might not be bad to push for a fullclaim or whatever. his wagon is just awful I mean really awful but you know how majiffy what he does not understand he sees as scum so is missing all of the signals to the game like when people are jumping on a wagon with really shitty reasons it usually means it is on town. so that is my 2 cents.

what are your thoughts on messiah and other things? I would like to hear a bit more indepth from you.

I like your points about mc. they're echoing how I feel about them, and I like GC's post about them too.

you need to tame majiffy for a while because his reasoning for pushing bork (ie anyone suspecting kise/pie/someone else to vote with him) is piss poor and isnt reflecting off him very well. LEASH HIM WOMAN!

I don't like borky's reasoning for Kagami town, but at least I can understand it from his pov. just think reasons for kagami scum are alot stronger (I also think she tried to promote her play here by discrediting the fact she got a scummy nom, even though no one mentioned it). I'll be back with other reads when it's not a million oclock in the morning here. or when I realise my sleeping pattern is still doomed.

[Mac]

wow you know how to talk to a target audience dont ya majiffy

[Mac]

i mean with selling skills like that you can stand outside asda or wal-mart and invite everyone in!

[Mac]

I think it is. At best, there's some info to nab there with Pie's recent ISO response posts, but that's it.
Don't think Pie is scum. But, hey, fuck it, I could be wrong.
Also, I want to back you up, Kaze, but my biggest scum-read wants to lynch Pie as well. I really want to put all my bets on you, but I can't do it in good faith. :/
I'm a terrible father.

why don't you think pie is scum? I think he is. Let's talk that one out.

also chuckled alot at the last line of this post for no reason in particular.

[Mac]

@Kaze: Pie wagon too easy. There's scum on it. Nuff said.

2/10, try again next time.

He's way too inactive to be scummac, as backwards as that may seem to anyone who hasn't played with him. Though to be fair, a man has never seen him very active on D1 regardless of alignment. He also seems to be trying to unite rather than divide.

I feel like whatever meta you may have on me is outdated: nowadays I am active when I'm on site which is more often than not after work. Furthermore being timezoned means I miss alot of back and forth whilst I sleep and you guys come out to play.

Curiously, why do you think I'm superactive as scum and not town?

Also I fucking hate being accused of inactivity because my posts are being drowned out by everyone else. Like I say every game, just because I don't have a hundred posts or don't post 40 times in a day, doesn't make me inactive.

Varsoon do you remember that time when you did wiggle wiggle and you were scum? I'm weirded out by your attitude here, but I'm not sure why.

You're joking right? Please Mollie, link me to your most recent game where a player has tunneled on you erroneously and you decided to work with said person instead of fight back.

I'm sure this will be covered by the time I am finished this, but you realise there is a difference between a player tunnelling on you and an IC tunneling on you, right?

You're joking right? Please Mollie, link me to your most recent game where a player has tunneled on you erroneously and you decided to work with said person instead of fight back.

Worst post in this game? Maybe. Hoping it's not serious, otherwise Katarina became a big cause for concern.

The basis of your read on him is his claiming confirmed town. Point B if I understand it correct.

I don't see how his cockiness on how he self-confirmed himself as town is a scumtell, that's not really alignment indicative. Read his Signature even.

That's how I interpreted his early posts.

You really need to re-read my post.

In simple terms, Varsoon said only one person is confirmed town (The mod-confirmed IC). When in reality if you are town, from your point of view, there should be two confirmed town. Varsoon isn't town, so he forgot that point when he made that post. This is aside from the hypocritical posts where he confirmed himself town and

then

said only the mod-confirmed IC was confirmed town.

Mollie, even confirmed town can throw games. Just because they are town and everyone knows it doesn't give them a crystal ball.

this is

really

scraping the barrel here. Weak reasoning, and I've lost my townread on you.

Hey weird thing: Kagami said Rem is town somewhere along the lines and still is yet to move her vote. Why? Probably because she's scum.

what am I curious about is why pieguy thinks town-Dan has a priority to sort Kaze over players that he has experience with? Explanation needed there.

again, pieguy's iso's don't stand out and don't do nothing in the way of reads. "town, could be fakeable" - alot of idk's from him. Still scum, picking and choosing posts from an ISO to look busy.

ActionDan for scumbuddy? could work.

bubba those aren't crumbs

they look like something you have pulled out of your butt

here here. smells like bullshit.

Finding myself starting to like Jaqen's preachings on GCBC scum. Why are there so many scum this game?

[Mac]

Kaze, I feel like you're the only dude who knows I'm here so I'm gonna just chat with you and stuff.

I don't have any good reads. I haven't been giving this game much attention. If I rolled scum, this wouldn't be a problem, since, y'know, this game can ramble on without me.
Pieguyn is not on the usual town ball. That's important to notice.
Then again, neither am I.

One of Lush Life, GCBC(previously morph), Kise, Pie, and zMuffin is scum, if not more. Just lynch that list and we'll be gold.

Easy fuckin' peasy.
VOTE: GoodCopBadCop

Hey V, you're town but hoping one from a list of five is scum is not a good return.

Also saw this in hyper-skim.
the probability of at least 1 person being scum in a selection of 5 people is 1- P(no scum in 5 people) = 1 - (16*15*14*13*12)/(21*20*19*18*17) which is about 78.5%.
Assuming 5 man scum team and no other scum.

Okay, who invited the maths kid?

But seriously, let's say we pick those 5 and lynch through them. We hit 4 town and then find the scum. Is that a good return, Gaiden?

I mean I could pick 10 players and declare all 5 scum in there, but would it be a good return to lynch through them?

[Mac]

I need a break from this game

mod: V/LA till wednesday

I'm playing like complete shit and I need to reset. I'll join another large when someone teaches me how to actually play larges = =

This is a pretty believable follow up though. It fits with the shame of having missed something like that. I'm not sure the shame would be felt -only- by town though. At any rate his break makes sense now and I'm surprised some people gave him heat over it.

I don't buy it, I'm not sure why you are. Just as the heat was getting screwed up, he took off. It's not town-motivated at all.

[Mac]

...
Hey weird thing: Kagami said Rem is town somewhere along the lines and still is yet to move her vote. Why? Probably because she's scum.
...

Except that I moved my vote ages ago and didn't realize yukari hadn't counted it (though I'm not sure why she ignored the unvote part)

Not that it would matter, I don't see why a person's vote needs to follow their opinion every post. You vote when you actually want someone lynched, not when you're worried that someone will call you on your vote not corresponding to your top scum-read or whatever.

Yeah, that's the mod's fault. But you don't leave your vote on your townreads, if you're scum it gives the illusion of doing something with your vote when you're not.

[Mac]

VC

[Mac]

Vote: Messiah

bcuz I luv mollie.

dearest, what did you make of their catchup post? fake? using quote links to hide what points they're making?

[Mac]

VC

Rawr

snooze ya lose, that's what my mother tells me!

[Mac]

gaiden keeps doing nothing despite being quite active elsewhere - all posts have not been scumhunting

mac is more feelsy. reminds me of ace attorney. though the sheeping gives me pause

Ace attorney i was town, so whats your point here?

[Mac]

Funfact: I'm back on page 65 and really starting to get annoyed at the dissonance between the heads of Lush Life.

Funfact #2: Jaqen tunnelling the everliving fuck out of Cabd & trying to pile more on with accusations of cheating is getting annoying too.

[Mac]

UNVOTE:

I was voting Messiah not pie but w/e I think we need a lynch here and sure as hell don't want it to be GCBC

VOTE: Varsoon

[Mac]

UNVOTE:

I was voting Messiah not pie but w/e I think we need a lynch here and

sure as hell don't want it to be GCBC

VOTE: Varsoon

Yeah? what changed between here and 1320?

this is really scraping the barrel here. Weak reasoning, and I've lost my townread on you

[snipped irrelevant portions of post]

Finding myself starting to like Jaqen's preachings on GCBC scum. Why are there so many scum this game?

You've also said very, very little about varsoon to [confidently prefer him to GCBC] which is how I am interpreting your recent post.

-bork

700 posts, but moreso I'm quite happy with my read of GCBC to now being strong town and waynegg in tunnel mode. and to work with you wrt to Varsoon. You're my strongest townread in this game by far.

[Mac]

I'd want a counter wagon on either of GCBC/Dram/ActionDan. Gotta figure there's scum in those, eh. Gaiden's so null to me.

I know you're terrible at picking up subtle stuff, but all three of those are bad ideas of the "royal fucking bad idea" kind.

ActionDan isn't too bad of a shout

[Mac]

Did varsoon's little theatrics SERIOUSLY manage to derail the wagon?
Ridiculous

You buy bubba's crumb?

Yes
It's so completely fucking stupid, I don't think he'd have been able to not claim scum if he actually was.

Can we please lynch this tomorrow since we are not going to be able to do it today? Unless we can flash lynch this, anyone down with that.

Mollie, not ignoring you, just phone posting in the waiting room while my fiancé is getting checked out. Answering your question about muffin will take more activity than I can do ATM. When and how did your read change on GCBC? And how do you feel about people saying that Varsoon is playing to his town meta?

What's wrong with the posts? I find it pretty weird you quoted those posts and didn't back up "we should lynch dram" with substanstial reasoning for doing so.

[Mac]

Also Gaiden might be scum. "I'm going to do something" = solely focus on bubba in an effort to look busy.

[Mac]

let me formulate a reads list, GCBC. I'LL BE BACK

[Mac]

***TOWN***

Lush Life
pieguyn
Jaqen
Kise

***TOWN FOR TODAY***

Muffin
Katarina
Kaze
dramonic
GCBC (more than likely heading for town)

**NULL***

Saki
Tsukasa
bubba
Chamber of Kittens
Amaranth
Serene (kuribo + DrippingGoofBall + Fate) UFO [H]
Gaiden

***SCUM***

Kagami
Varsoon
Messiah Complex (Desperado + FormerFish) [H]
ActionDan

I even put fancy asteriks in!

[Mac]

Yep.

So; dram, Mac, and Chamber for the scum on Varsoon's wagon? Who wants to start taking bets?

Is Mac a good bet for scum? Some reasoning for your choice would be fiiiiine.

dramonic too, while you're at it.

[Mac]

prod dodging, reading tomorrow

[Mac]

V/LA til Friday

Sorry guys! I WILL RETURN

[Mac]

On page 104. pretending like I'm absorbing information when really my eyeballs are projecting this information to an empty theatre in my brain. because the rest of it has gotten caught up in how AWESOME prison break is.

didn't like dram's reaction to kaze's death was to discredit him and calling him useless. dead town are never useless. I feel like town dram should be trying to work with the kaze flip rather than go "I DIDNT AGREE WITH HIS ALIGNMENT THEREFORE ITS SHIT"

varsoon's animal show was great. 9/10 would watch again

[Mac]

I'm still wondering GCBC: Why did you claim bulletproof?

No point not to after the flip of the scum strongman, plus Kise outing the idea yesterday, there's literally no reason to NOT claim at this point.

Considering gambits are your thing, it's

real

strange you didn't even attempt to swallow a NK.

[Mac]

STOP

HAMMER TIME

Vote: ActionDan

ZING

[Mac]

READS DAN READS

[Mac]

WHERE ARE YOUR READS DAN

[Mac]

hey I have another question which is ruffling my own feathers because I can't wrap my head around it.

if a Ninja is a role which will never, and I quote, "be seen as targeting anyone by a Tracker, Watcher, or other investigative role along these lines," then how the hell did actiondan get a guilty the night before last?

[Mac]

quoting from the wiki, by the way.

[Mac]

I roleblocked and rolestopped pie last night to protect her =\

How does that protect pie?

[Mac]

I don't get it. You stop pie's role, so how does that in turn protect pie? Surely that rolestop only works if you rolestop the killer.

[Mac]

That's not how rolestop works, mac

Enlighten me.

[Mac]

...Debating massclaim at this point.

I still have shifty eyes at you. Why didn't you try and swallow a NK with your unlimited bulletproof? That's not like you.

[Mac]

VOTE: muffin

[Mac]

UNVOTE:

nvm wait for pie

[Mac]

That's not how rolestop works, mac

Enlighten me.

Rolestopping is the opposite of roleblocking, it stops all actions directed at the person instead of those coming from them, my role is like a jailkeeper, but I prevent investigations and other things like that, so it's only really useful to protect people who have no active abilities and are known innocent.

So why would you have blocked pie using his follow?

[Mac]

UNVOTE:

nvm wait for pie

Pie and kagami already checked in, though?

pie is waiting for an answer from gif?

[Mac]

That's not how rolestop works, mac

Enlighten me.

Rolestopping is the opposite of roleblocking, it stops all actions directed at the person instead of those coming from them, my role is like a jailkeeper, but I prevent investigations and other things like that, so it's only really useful to protect people who have no active abilities and are known innocent.

So why would you have blocked pie using his follow?

Never mind this either, im a moron. Who can't read.

[Mac]

Still very curious about ActionDan and the ninja scenario, though.

[Mac]

I am not a tracker. I am not a motivator. I will also full claim if required. I also still have the feels about Dan being scum. Dan scum = muffin town, in my opinion.

[Mac]

Dan scum = muffin town, in my opinion.

Why can't both be Town? Is this anything that i'll prob. find out when I finally get to read all the pages?

Because I feel both are counters to the ninja - thus I think dan's possibly fakeclaiming. I still don't think a ninja kill would show up under his investigate.

[Mac]

Idk, i thought i read kill cop not kill tracker, so i thought it worked like a gunsmith, can anyone correct me on this?

That makes alot more sense than it does in my head.

[Mac]

Yeah, I realized that there's really not much left for you to motivate anyway.

What's your flavor, mac?

Salt and vinegar baby!

And Sanae Kochiya

[Mac]

VOTE: GCBC

I think they're scum. Alot of it pins down to cabd's quizzing of nacho and accusing him of jeopardizing mollie/ffery argument or whatever it was. It just seems like a bullshit argument to make Nacho look bad and discredit his muffin argument in a roundabout way.

Is muffin town? I don't know. Is nacho town? More than likely. I think I like his posting.

Also, am I claiming? I've still a few pages to read but some quickfire answers would be much appreciated.

[Mac]

Well I'm a good healing girl. a Doc. n1 I protected Lush and n2 I protected pie. hence my questioning of Kagami pages ago.

To add onto Cabd points, I don't think he needed to claim unlimited bulletproof so straightforwardly, and I definitely don't think if he was unkillable (and town) after the Gaiden lynch he'd be parading it about like such.

[Mac]

unlimited bulletproof over 1 shot strongman just does not feel balanced.

[Mac]

amirite?

[Mac]

saki if you like wagons why haven't you been voting muffin?

pie - we're lynching scum.

[Mac]

UNVOTE:

VOTE: Muffin

I read the start of the d2 posts finally, and I see that this is a guilty. Both bork and mollie went from bork not mentioning muffin in his reads too much to wanting to lynch him, and mollie swapping him into her scum pile to lynching him with fire.

I don't care for the argument that they wouldn't have voted AD with a guilty on muffin since all three heads made it perfectly clear they would also vote ActionDan if the wagon gained speed, which it did. Furthermore, the "mollie would out it" argument is also shit since she is in a hydra with two other people who play differently to her.

tl;dr points are moot, read lush posts, muffin probably scum.

I don't know where this leaves me with cabd/nacho atm, will find out.

[Mac]

IS DAN ACTUALLY SCUM????

When I floated the idea of dan the kill cop catching ninja CoK being wrong because CoK flipped ninja, people said that Dan could see CoK

could

kill, not that they

had

killed. Well, Dan seems to argue with that

Well I'm remilia. 2 shot kill cop.

CoK killed last night

The fact still remains that he "caught" a ninja killing. It doesn't happen.

[Mac]

how much of the thread have you read? bork thought i was scum most of D1 (but he thought pie was scummier than me, presumably until pie claimed mason) and mollie also thought i was scum for most of D1 (read literally every post she wrote about me D1).

had a brief skim of their iso and you are going to have to sell this to me.

bork thought there was one scum in a group of 3 including you, that was how much he referenced you during day one at most in regards to being scum. mollie campaigned for it early on but went cold on the idea towards the end of d1, she had a vig/scum list, cant remember which, but it didn't include you - you were an afterthought in her mind (hence why she said maybe)

you are caught scum.

[Mac]

she didn't back off though. she said she was fine we either lynch. multiple times.

[Mac]

you're not even arguing that your town and we're mislynching, you're arguing that you weren't investigated

[Mac]

A ROGUE YOUR APPEARS IN THE SENTENCE.

[Mac]

yeah, because i was obviously still a scum read, but you're suggesting she backed off from someone she knew is scum to pursue someone she thinks is scum.

This is entirely possible.

[Mac]

have you read the last few pages?

yes

[Mac]

IS DAN ACTUALLY SCUM????

When I floated the idea of dan the kill cop catching ninja CoK being wrong because CoK flipped ninja, people said that Dan could see CoK

could

kill, not that they

had

killed. Well, Dan seems to argue with that

Well I'm remilia. 2 shot kill cop.

CoK killed last night

The fact still remains that he "caught" a ninja killing. It doesn't happen.

Besides commenting on the fact that MC has good points against cadb. This is dumb. I check whether people are killers, not if they killed on the night I check them. The reason I added that chamber killed 'last night' was because there had only been one night.

this is bullshit. you found out someone can kill, and decided to word it as though you found out they killed last night? I don't think so.

[Mac]

well that's cleared things up a little because that wasn't very clear, what doesn't clear things up is how you can guilty a ninja, which is untraceable to kills

[Mac]

not sure, I've been derping alot lately. but if you care to explain where I'm going wrong then feel free.

[Mac]

Ninjas cannot be seen. This means they are immune to watchers and trackers and followers and voyeurs; you will never get a result on a ninja that is of the form "player went here". They aren't untraceable to kills and have no further immunity past that.

Cheers, that makes alot more sense now!

[Mac]

I see, the turtle thing.

Ok, well I'm sufficiently bothered by GCBC's deficiency of suspicion toward dramonic even without him saying anything. If there were two scum on varsoon's wagon, as we'd expect, then it has to be GCBC or dram (unless mac lucked out that I'm macho as a red herring), so I would think he'd be all for a dram lynch if he were town. He's avoiding the thread too.

VOTE: GCBC

I don't know why you've lumped me in there?

Back in your main account, you!

[Mac]

Mac, who did you protect n1 and n2?

Lush n1, pieguy n2

[Mac]

I dont like any of the current wagons/votes tbh =/ feels like it's just utility lynches.

Well? Are you going to do something about it?

[Mac]

Mac, why lush night 1 over pie/jaqen, and why pie night 2 over AD?

@bubba: my ability is unlimited, presumably mac and MC's are too.

I didn't think Jaqen or pie had done enough to warrant a NK. Jaqen was still being moaned at, meanwhile pie was not a confirmed mason. Lush was my top townread.

On night two, I still had confusion over Dan's role and thought he may be scum, so I went for pie.

[Mac]

Does a man have any other scumreads rather than a boy? Cus truth be told, a man is getting bored of watching this argument.

[Mac]

god you are boring jaqen

[Mac]

@Mod - V/LA the weekend

[Mac]

VOTE: dram

I dunno, I might be a sucker for AtE but I had a small change of heart regarding GCBC. Not much but enough to put me on dram over them for a while.

Also finding it rather strange that the two leading wagons, and only them, are voting Saki. Not sure why I find it weird, but there you go!