Touhou: Mafia in the Land of Fantasy (Game Over)

[Varsoon]

Time travel, it is the year 2014.

@Lushlife what is it like?

VOTE: Varsoon

Ctrl+F: Varsoon
2 results: A vote on me and a joke about what I'm about to do
I'm town, confirming that now.
Also, OMGUS, BITCHES
VOTE: Remembrance-slot

[Varsoon]

I'm gonna slap you nerds with the nitty gritty:
I'm not going to participate in this game very much.
However, I'm town, so there's no use in voting me, as I am now confirmed town.
You guys have an easier time now!
I'll find some scum, maybe, though.
It's just that it's my holiday, I'm a busy guy, this is a huge game, etc.
So I'm gonna be REAL ambivalent about lynches until this shrinks to normal size.
'cus otherwise, I'm just a distraction.
A loud, loud, town distraction ;_;

[Varsoon]

Vc here

My name is VARSOON.
VAR. SOON.
VARS OON.
VARSOOOOOOOOOON~

[Varsoon]

Kaze, being compared to me probably means you don't play by other people's rules, you can be nonsensical, you have crazy gambits, and you're absolutely conniving as scum.

Game pace too fast dough.

[Varsoon]

Kaze, I feel like you're the only dude who knows I'm here so I'm gonna just chat with you and stuff.

I don't have any good reads. I haven't been giving this game much attention. If I rolled scum, this wouldn't be a problem, since, y'know, this game can ramble on without me.
Pieguyn is not on the usual town ball. That's important to notice.
Then again, neither am I.

One of Lush Life, GCBC(previously morph), Kise, Pie, and zMuffin is scum, if not more. Just lynch that list and we'll be gold.

Easy fuckin' peasy.
VOTE: GoodCopBadCop

[Varsoon]

It scares me.
Well, also, your play, but I couldn't build a good case if I wanted to.
There's PoE elements there as well.

You should have an avatar with a pompadour, like mine.

[Varsoon]

It scares me.
Well, also, your play, but I couldn't build a good case if I wanted to.
There's PoE elements there as well.

You should have an avatar with a pompadour, like mine.

[Varsoon]

Make it a triple.
I used to believe in the power of Belief, but then Nacho ruined it for me.
My Woop woop hasn't been the same since.

[Varsoon]

you still owe me 5 pizzas for that game

Send me a PM and I'll buy you at least one. :3

One of Lush Life, GCBC(previously morph), Kise, Pie, and zMuffin is scum, if not more. Just lynch that list and we'll be gold.

was there any actual reason behind this list, btw? it looks like you just chose the top 5 posters outside of kaze and the IC

PoE, Content, Post Count, all that. List is good list. Also, isn't it suspicious most of those folks are on the Pieguyn wagon?

C'mon. :3


@Mollie: I'm really over my head in this game. I wish I wasn't as busy as I am, then I could check site every 30 minutes or faster and keep up. I'm not going to impress you in this one, sadly. D:

@Kaze: I like you, bro. What are your scum reads? I'd like to work with you on them.

Anyone scum-reading me but keeping me at a distance (lookin at you, bubbajackguy) should either commit or drop it. It's too scummy otherwise. No shit my play is bad, I've acknowledged that.

[Varsoon]

Jaqen, I want whatever you're on.

[Varsoon]

@Mod: I don't mind posting gimmicks. I think it's a part of playing the game.

@Kaze: Or we could be scum together, fufufu. Honestly, if you're scum and you work with me, it'll expose you, so I could see your hesitance to not do so.
You think Bubba is scum? So do I. So does the wagon forming on him. Let's put votes there and let a better mouthpiece (looking at you, LushLife) do the talking.

VOTE: Bubba

[Varsoon]

@Kaze: Pie wagon too easy. There's scum on it. Nuff said.

[Varsoon]

I feel like that's exactly why it has been moving so easily. But, hey, I believe in you.

VOTE: Pieguyn

Now, let's see if you're up to snuff.

[Varsoon]

@Bubba: GCBC, Kise, and zMuffin bother me the most.
I'm putting my bets on Kaze, though. He thinks he's right, and so I want to see where that goes. B-sides, while I don't think Pie's play has been very town this game, in the event that he flips town, I can get some more leverage to build cases and push wagons on the people on the wagon. So, really, sheeping my scum-reads right now is the best I can do at my level of commitment.

[Varsoon]

It's not anti-town, it's fuuuun~

The only reason to make such a deal out of it is because you don't want people to listen to the IC (discrediting) while masking it as your own pro-town crusade (scummy).
Arguing playstyle with the IC is anti-town.
And you're no IC, so, y'know.
I've got your number, GC_BC. :3

[Varsoon]

There's only one confirmed town. How do you know he's intensely tunneling on town?
The only people who would know alignments are scum and masons.
And you haven't claimed mason.

[Varsoon]

Not really, bro.
Acting like someone is scum/anti-town for tunneling you is pretty dense. You know your -own- alignment, sure, but you can't expect others to trust you.

[Varsoon]

There's things single players know and things all players know.
I know I'm town. I can claim it. But that doesn't make it confirmed.
Only the mod can confirm, via role or corpse.
Leveraging an argument based solely on your own knowledge is weak, and, ultimately, anti-town.

[Varsoon]

"And lo, spokith the gods of mafia, I shall grant you a scumread that the IC kid agrees upon with you"
~BC

Why are you calling the IC a 'kid'?
Your rhetoric betrays you.

[Varsoon]

I'm not scum, man.
It's kinda annoying to have to deal with that as town. D:
But 'cus you asked;
Wiggle~wiggle~

You're too self-conscious, :3

[Varsoon]

Varsoon sees a man make a pathetic mistake--listening to the ramblings of a boy. The boy would do anything to try to get Varsoon lynched, because the Boy is scared.

Varsoon bears his chest. Go ahead, flay me, but know that you flay your ally, man.

[Varsoon]

But on the real, it's really fucking lame to read my entry posts where I made it clear I'm not following the game much, then try to push my uninterested meta as a scum meta.

[Varsoon]

Like, man, seriously.
VOTE: Good Cop Bad Cop

Kaze, you're cool, and I want to give you some strength and place my bets on you, but I've got to step up to the plate and follow my own suspicions.

Good Cop Bad Cop is scum as fuck.

[Varsoon]

With the failure of the Pieguyn wagon to take off, GCBC surely was looking for a different mislynch. He's been walling with the IC all day as a distraction that's largely anti-town (all while trying to dress it up as a failure on the IC's part and as a huge town effort on his own). His rhetoric has betrayed him as scum, his play is scummy, and he's a jerk.

Sheep me for great victory.

[Varsoon]

The best part of the GCBC walling is that he's been constantly trying to get the IC to vote for someone he thinks is an easy mislynch. This serves two purposes--it lets him fuel a mislynch with the notion that since the IC is on it then it's a good lynch, and to further discredit the IC once the flip becomes town. This way, he can keep the IC around, avoid getting scum-read, and make the IC take blame for his own agenda.

It's brilliant, but your plan had one hole, GCBC.
Varsoon is in this game.
Wiggling can commence now.

[Varsoon]

Pieguyn's play has been admitted as weak by even Pieguyn. He's an easy target, and the votes on the Pieguy wagon reflect people noticing and pushing that. I mentioned this, noticed it, and that's when GCBC decided that I was a threat. He's made me his foe, and has been rallying for my lynch while still sitting on the Pieguyn wagon. He's in the buttery part of that wagon too, right where scum has a good opportunity to jump on and avoid the blame for hammering AND starting the wagon, all while seemingly presenting a case. Pieguyn's not even around to respond to the 'pressure' that GCBC has retconned his push to represent (as seen in the recent posts by GCBC). All of this points at scum who's holding out of the mislynch of the day (Pieguy) while rallying for another in case that goes tits up. Why not just get off the pie wagon to vote me and push a case on me if I'm his scum-read? Once again, GCBC is being scummy with his voting and is trying to get others to start the push and votes, so he can slide on in a way that won't reflect poorly on him once I flip.

Like I said, clever--but not enough to slip by me.
See, that's the most beautiful thing about the uninterested gambit. I can wait for a scummy player to push for my lynch for scummy reasons--they're silly and somehow think I haven't been reading, or that I won't put up a fight or counter-case. You've walked right into my trap, GCBC. You're caught. Give up.

[Varsoon]

GCBC, that's no good indicator of your alignment. Just like a trust-tell (something that I have extensive experience with), it's only good until you abuse it, when it's great. How do I know you're not cashing in on your 'mollie-always reads me correctly' card in this game? I don't. Therefore, it's worthless as a strategy and only works to leverage you power against scrubs. Why would you want to leverage that sort of power, or convince us that you're town in such a way?
Town wouldn't need to. Scum would.

Wiggle~Wriggle~


P-EDIT: Never said that the IC is scum--that's another misrep there.
In fact, your entire reply reeks of not actually following the argument I put forward and/or an attempt to trivialize it.
Why would you want to not actually read my argument or trivialize it?
Because you're scum.

Wiggle~

P-P-EDIT: More discrediting/trivializing. Every word serves a purpose. You forgot that. That's why your rhetoric has betrayed you.

[Varsoon]

It's so fucking obvious that you're scum that it's physically painful to exist in a world where you aren't lynched.

[Varsoon]

You've walked right into my trap, GCBC. You're caught. Give up.

Also when you pad your posts with literally 100% useless shit fluff like this, do you expect your post to somehow be more convincing? Or larger? Or, you know, less damning?

Oh hey look I can do it too~

Another note on this--chill out. It's a game. Of course I'm going to have fun with it. All words serve a purpose, but more than that, if you consider flavor, asides, and anything not wholly related to 'the game' to be '100% useless shit fluff'--keep it to yourself. Elitism has its place, but we're playing a party game on a forum with a little noose and a gun in the banner. Relax.

[Varsoon]

For the sake of my sanity and to do right by you, I'm going to assume you're playing the role of a total bastard because you're trying to discredit and trivialize my arguments.

[Varsoon]

Because I don't deny my opponents agency.

[Varsoon]

Your citation of fact is exactly the sort of thing that scum-you would use, as you've just admitting by claiming you'd burn the floor you stand on for a scum win. You'd go to any length to win, and so it makes plenty of sense that you'd make that play. Your. Rhetoric. Betrays. You.

You're playing the game. See how you just leveraged that Mollie has scum-read you in this game, thus making yourself seem more town? By writing...

So, if shes scumreading me, and I'm scum, I'm stating that her read on me will be correct by the end of today.... why, exactly? What''s my motive? To pray to Arceus that she will 180 her read? With a good percentage of the player base townreading me?

...you are making an argument for that sort of play as against your wincon as scum. This is why I claimed scum when I was manipulating the Trust Tell. Players would figure that I wouldn't do something so against my wincon as scum, and that I must be town for it. It works due to the logic exhibited by town who expect low-level play.

Furthermore, if Mollie does ultimately town read you, you can ride that to the bank. If Mollie waffles on you, you can use that as leverage to push a mislynch on her later in the game because you know she's a powerful opponent of yours.

Most players are too wrapped up in your web of lies to figure this all out,
But I'm on the outside and I'm looking in. I can see through you--see your true colors. 'Cause inside you're ugly. You're ugly like me I can see through you. See to the real you.

[Varsoon]

The Dram and Action Dan votes on me are awkward sheeps to say the least. I don't quite follow their hop to my wagon, but since I've nabbed my scum verdict, I'll be chasing him all day.

Spoiler:

You sure about that? Here is what I saw from his posts.

I make a post saying I am town (because I am and I know that despite others not having the same luxury). Varsoon says, "How can you say that? Only one person is confirmed town". Which I found odd-scum-odd because...

A) He CONFIRMED HIMSELF as town in his first post AND his second post using the explicit words "However, I'm town, so there's no use in voting me, as

I am now confirmed town.

." And I know he was specifically referring to Jacquen as being confirmed town, or at the very least should have considering how he has been posting.

B) If he were town, he should realize that as town, in a game with an IC, you should know that two people are town (yourself and the IC). It is an INTEGRAL part of scum-hunting. But if he were scum, he would have to pretend he was town (like in his first posts) and the realization wouldn't come natively.

C) I never said I was confirmed town. What I said was Jacquen was tunneling on town which I know to be a true statement.

THEN comes the back tracking when I call him out... (paraphrased in my own words)

GC - Remember when you confirmed yourself town? Why are you saying there is only one confirmed town? You must be scum.
Vars - Oh uhh no, really you can know your uhh own alignment sure, but you cant uhh expect people to trust you. (coming from someone who got banned for a trust tell - oh the irony)
Vars - YEAH you are being dense. I can of course claim town, but you cant use it in an argument. YOU are being weak and anti-town.

What happened to?

I'm gonna slap you nerds with the nitty gritty:

I'm not going to participate in this game very much.

Then comes an onslaught of posts after I call him out. And then comes an admission of a "gambit".

My take: He wanted to chill out D1. Got caught up in the moment trying to help garner support for my lynch and slipped from his fake-stance put forth at the beginning of the day. Now because I actually have a decent case for Varsoon-Scum, he is scrambling and has dropped his "I'm not going to participate in this game very much" because he is in repair-image-mode.

Hey Varsoon! Since you like OMGUS so much...

VOTE: Varsoon

This is a good lynch.

~GC

Spoiler:

The basis of your read on him is his claiming confirmed town. Point B if I understand it correct.

I don't see how his cockiness on how he self-confirmed himself as town is a scumtell, that's not really alignment indicative. Read his Signature even.

That's how I interpreted his early posts.

You really need to re-read my post.

In simple terms, Varsoon said only one person is confirmed town (The mod-confirmed IC). When in reality if you are town, from your point of view, there should be two confirmed town. Varsoon isn't town, so he forgot that point when he made that post. This is aside from the hypocritical posts where he confirmed himself town and

then

said only the mod-confirmed IC was confirmed town.

Mollie, even confirmed town can throw games. Just because they are town and everyone knows it doesn't give them a crystal ball.

Your degree of misrepresentation in these posts alone is staggering.
1: You're twisting my gambit of seeming uninterested and catching you into something to scumpaint me. You're trying to deny me agency, which is to assume that I couldn't possibly be doing what I said I was doing. This is a scum tactic. You're attempting to disarm and devalue my arguments and approach. You're also going on as if I'm lying and making a push at disenfranchising my voice.
2: You've completely disregarded the post where I posit that the only way to be truly confirmed to the rest of the game's players is via the moderator. Of course, that post wouldn't be very helpful since it blows a hole in your entire misrepresentation of the facts of our exchange.

You're trying to doctor yourself up as a 'winner', and me as an illogical, lying, scummy loser. The truth is that you're (very obviously) lying about our interaction in order to simultaneously devalue me as a player and push a wagon on me. You've committed the fallacy of presenting a strawman. This comes in the form of you re-writing our dialogue to make me seem like a bumbling, backpedaling moron and painting yourself as a calm voice of reason and cogency. In short, fuck you. I really want to replace out of this game, and have done so when people've been this way before, but I'm going to stay in it. I won't rest until you're dead--and not because you're an asshole, but because you're scum.

Could everyone who is not on my wagon or GCBC's wagon please shift to voting for one of us?

I want him dead or I want to die. Either way, one of us should not come out of this alive.

[Varsoon]

Going to go ahead and claim now, too, to show my conviction.
I'm one-shot redirector, Tewi Inabi, of the Good Girls.
My original plan was to use this power to hope to redirect a night kill onto GCBC, but the chances of guessing right, even with PoE, are low as fuck.
So, eh, why not full-claim and further confirm myself as town (get rekt, GCBC).

[Varsoon]

I don't like people who rely on

tunnel vision and

jamming useless stuff

just to shut someone up[/b] and accept their fate.

All the more reason to vote for me for the underlined and GCBC for the bolded.


P-EDIT: Yeah, I've considered it, but his play strikes me as wholly scum.

[Varsoon]

Mod, can ya fix a girl's tags in 1114?

[Varsoon]

I don't want any distractions from votes on one of us.
Besides, the other wagons are Pie and Bubba.
Pie's wagon is scummy, and Pie's too easy of a target for D1.
The Bubba wagon isn't gaining any speed. Votes there aren't doing anything. Votes should do things.

P-EDIT: Claiming because of exactly what I wrote--to show my conviction and to further confirm myself as town. I'm not into painful anal, and besides, that's how Mr Hands bit the dust.
Yeah, I'm retarded, awesome, now vote for GCBC or fist yourself out of here.

[Varsoon]

A man said He was either wrong about Varsoon or Varsoon had gotten better faking his town meta. A man finds it scummy how ProHawk twists a man's words. Where has a man seen him do this before?

Ok, lets work together. Answer in plain terms.

Is Varsoon playing to his town-meta?
Is Varsoon playing to his scum-meta?

~GC

A man has already explained what he saw that looked like Varsoon's scum. Varsoon's town however is reflected in his back to back posting liking and calling the case on himself dumb. That leavs a man on fence. A GCBC lynch will clear it up though because if a man is right and GCBC is scum, Varsoon surely is as well.

Then your scenarios are...
TownGCBC vs ScumVarsoon
TownGCBC vs TownVarsoon
ScumGCBC vs ScumVarsoon
?

Either way, seems like you can imagine more of a possibility of me being scum than town, so put your vote where your words are.

[Varsoon]

Fine, then I'm confirmed and after we lynch Bubba, then will you please focus on GCBC, who I've made a damn good case for?

VOTE: Bubba

[Varsoon]

inb4 people wig out, vote me for my hop on bubba and I'm lynched today.
I don't give an apple pie, and I've already got a death wish. Come at me, scum.

And you're damn right I'm a twit, but this twit is going to win us the game, so get off your high horse and start pushing the wagon.

[Varsoon]

How are you going to win us the game by being lynched D1?

I've already pinned one scum, and I've had interactions with a series of players in a way that'll better help people get reads post-Varsoon.

[Varsoon]

I also think we shouldn't assume multiball or exhaust discussion on it until the next day when we can better confirm it. Right now, it's just masturbatory to discuss it.

[Varsoon]

YOU CANT SILENCE IDIOCY

[Varsoon]

]
Varsoon my comment stands, deliver.

I'm here, what do you want me to do? I mean, I can order the pizza, but I dunno if I can also deliver it. :3

A man suggests whichever requires less pants.

You know what's up.


GCBC, not going to go point for point on this. That'd be a fine distraction, but it wouldn't get us anywhere.
I wouldn't mind hammering the claimed bomb.
I'd rather a GCBC lynch. Or something else altogether.

[Varsoon]

Pie wagon is bad wagon.

[Varsoon]

I think it is. At best, there's some info to nab there with Pie's recent ISO response posts, but that's it.
Don't think Pie is scum. But, hey, fuck it, I could be wrong.
Also, I want to back you up, Kaze, but my biggest scum-read wants to lynch Pie as well. I really want to put all my bets on you, but I can't do it in good faith. :/
I'm a terrible father.

[Varsoon]

I see Varsoon is still voting Bulba even though they both claimed early.

weak sauce

Varsoon STILL hasn't answered my question. And he completely avoided it. Makes me think he's scum.

What is your question? I missed it. Q_Q

I am also glad to come back and see GCBC still being a total Rainbow Wizard.

VOTE: GCBC

Keep strawman'ing me bro. It'll work one day, Gandalf the Gay.

[Varsoon]

I said it in my claim, Bubba.
Tewi Inabi.

[Varsoon]

GCBC, I actually do have a job for a college where I teach English--so, it is literally my job. Literally.
Just because your intelligence is insulted doesn't mean everyone who used uncommon or 'big' words don't know them either.

[Varsoon]

But, yeah, stop making this a pissing match of intent, agency, and intelligence--what's at stake here is that I've called you out for your play. You should focus a lot more on that, instead of insulting the people who've called you out.

[Varsoon]

Was referencing Katawa Shoujo and Dumbledore specifically. :3

Regardless, I've already pointed out where you misrepresented me. Read my posts. Or I'll quote them, if that works for you. Or, if you really, really want, I can waste time focusing on each individual sentence.

It's not really important, because my original post where I explain it all makes it obvious. Yeah, it requires you to read your posts as well, then mine, which might be a little difficult, but you can do it. I believe in you~

[Varsoon]

So this will take a few hours and I'm going to lose sleep doing it, but because GCBC is so hell-bent on decrying me as either an idiot or a liar (I'm not either, surprise), I'll humor him and provide the entire point by point case that I have on him, as well as thorough elaborations on each of my points, specifically citing where he's misrepresented or slandered me.

I doubt it will achieve anything worthwhile, but here goes...

[Varsoon]

I will.
It'll be long, and very likely a fruitless waste of everyone's time.

[Varsoon]

I'm not going to point out the several times that GCBC has implied that I am scum, called me stupid, etc. Instead, I'm going to focus on points that I haven't answered already, and quote points that I have. GCBC has spent some time arguing that I can’t point to where he misrepresented me, despite the fact that I did in my original case on him. I wasn’t overtly specific about each post I made, next to each post he misrepped, but I don’t need to be, because in the words of GCBC himself, “THE WHOLE WORLD CAN SEE AND READ.” When I say X and GCBC writes that I said Y, I can write, “That’s not true” and I expect that I don’t have to point out how Y is not X. Alas, here goes:

-My Original Case on GCBC, Including Where he Misrepresented Me, as It was Always a Part of My Original Case and I Have No Clue Why GCBC Has Been Acting Like It Wasn't There:

Spoiler:

With the failure of the Pieguyn wagon to take off, GCBC surely was looking for a different mislynch. He's been walling with the IC all day as a distraction that's largely anti-town (all while trying to dress it up as a failure on the IC's part and as a huge town effort on his own). His rhetoric has betrayed him as scum, his play is scummy, and he's a jerk.

Sheep me for great victory.

The best part of the GCBC walling is that he's been constantly trying to get the IC to vote for someone he thinks is an easy mislynch. This serves two purposes--it lets him fuel a mislynch with the notion that since the IC is on it then it's a good lynch, and to further discredit the IC once the flip becomes town. This way, he can keep the IC around, avoid getting scum-read, and make the IC take blame for his own agenda.

It's brilliant, but your plan had one hole, GCBC.
Varsoon is in this game.
Wiggling can commence now.

Pieguyn's play has been admitted as weak by even Pieguyn. He's an easy target, and the votes on the Pieguy wagon reflect people noticing and pushing that. I mentioned this, noticed it, and that's when GCBC decided that I was a threat. He's made me his foe, and has been rallying for my lynch while still sitting on the Pieguyn wagon. He's in the buttery part of that wagon too, right where scum has a good opportunity to jump on and avoid the blame for hammering AND starting the wagon, all while seemingly presenting a case. Pieguyn's not even around to respond to the 'pressure' that GCBC has retconned his push to represent (as seen in the recent posts by GCBC). All of this points at scum who's holding out of the mislynch of the day (Pieguy) while rallying for another in case that goes tits up. Why not just get off the pie wagon to vote me and push a case on me if I'm his scum-read? Once again, GCBC is being scummy with his voting and is trying to get others to start the push and votes, so he can slide on in a way that won't reflect poorly on him once I flip.

Like I said, clever--but not enough to slip by me.
See, that's the most beautiful thing about the uninterested gambit. I can wait for a scummy player to push for my lynch for scummy reasons--they're silly and somehow think I haven't been reading, or that I won't put up a fight or counter-case. You've walked right into my trap, GCBC. You're caught. Give up.

GCBC, that's no good indicator of your alignment. Just like a trust-tell (something that I have extensive experience with), it's only good until you abuse it, when it's great. How do I know you're not cashing in on your 'mollie-always reads me correctly' card in this game? I don't. Therefore, it's worthless as a strategy and only works to leverage you power against scrubs. Why would you want to leverage that sort of power, or convince us that you're town in such a way?
Town wouldn't need to. Scum would.

Wiggle~Wriggle~


P-EDIT: Never said that the IC is scum--that's another misrep there.
In fact, your entire reply reeks of not actually following the argument I put forward and/or an attempt to trivialize it.
Why would you want to not actually read my argument or trivialize it?
Because you're scum.

Wiggle~

P-P-EDIT: More discrediting/trivializing. Every word serves a purpose. You forgot that. That's why your rhetoric has betrayed you.

You've walked right into my trap, GCBC. You're caught. Give up.

Also when you pad your posts with literally 100% useless shit fluff like this, do you expect your post to somehow be more convincing? Or larger? Or, you know, less damning?

Oh hey look I can do it too~

Another note on this--chill out. It's a game. Of course I'm going to have fun with it. All words serve a purpose, but more than that, if you consider flavor, asides, and anything not wholly related to 'the game' to be '100% useless shit fluff'--keep it to yourself. Elitism has its place, but we're playing a party game on a forum with a little noose and a gun in the banner. Relax.

Your citation of fact is exactly the sort of thing that scum-you would use, as you've just admitting by claiming you'd burn the floor you stand on for a scum win. You'd go to any length to win, and so it makes plenty of sense that you'd make that play. Your. Rhetoric. Betrays. You.

You're playing the game. See how you just leveraged that Mollie has scum-read you in this game, thus making yourself seem more town? By writing...

So, if shes scumreading me, and I'm scum, I'm stating that her read on me will be correct by the end of today.... why, exactly? What''s my motive? To pray to Arceus that she will 180 her read? With a good percentage of the player base townreading me?

...you are making an argument for that sort of play as against your wincon as scum. This is why I claimed scum when I was manipulating the Trust Tell. Players would figure that I wouldn't do something so against my wincon as scum, and that I must be town for it. It works due to the logic exhibited by town who expect low-level play.

Furthermore, if Mollie does ultimately town read you, you can ride that to the bank. If Mollie waffles on you, you can use that as leverage to push a mislynch on her later in the game because you know she's a powerful opponent of yours.

Most players are too wrapped up in your web of lies to figure this all out,
But I'm on the outside and I'm looking in. I can see through you--see your true colors. 'Cause inside you're ugly. You're ugly like me I can see through you. See to the real you.

The Dram and Action Dan votes on me are awkward sheeps to say the least. I don't quite follow their hop to my wagon, but since I've nabbed my scum verdict, I'll be chasing him all day.

You sure about that? Here is what I saw from his posts.

I make a post saying I am town (because I am and I know that despite others not having the same luxury). Varsoon says, "How can you say that? Only one person is confirmed town". Which I found odd-scum-odd because...

A) He CONFIRMED HIMSELF as town in his first post AND his second post using the explicit words "However, I'm town, so there's no use in voting me, as

I am now confirmed town.

." And I know he was specifically referring to Jacquen as being confirmed town, or at the very least should have considering how he has been posting.

B) If he were town, he should realize that as town, in a game with an IC, you should know that two people are town (yourself and the IC). It is an INTEGRAL part of scum-hunting. But if he were scum, he would have to pretend he was town (like in his first posts) and the realization wouldn't come natively.

C) I never said I was confirmed town. What I said was Jacquen was tunneling on town which I know to be a true statement.

THEN comes the back tracking when I call him out... (paraphrased in my own words)

GC - Remember when you confirmed yourself town? Why are you saying there is only one confirmed town? You must be scum.
Vars - Oh uhh no, really you can know your uhh own alignment sure, but you cant uhh expect people to trust you. (coming from someone who got banned for a trust tell - oh the irony)
Vars - YEAH you are being dense. I can of course claim town, but you cant use it in an argument. YOU are being weak and anti-town.

What happened to?

I'm gonna slap you nerds with the nitty gritty:

I'm not going to participate in this game very much.

Then comes an onslaught of posts after I call him out. And then comes an admission of a "gambit".

My take: He wanted to chill out D1. Got caught up in the moment trying to help garner support for my lynch and slipped from his fake-stance put forth at the beginning of the day. Now because I actually have a decent case for Varsoon-Scum, he is scrambling and has dropped his "I'm not going to participate in this game very much" because he is in repair-image-mode.

Hey Varsoon! Since you like OMGUS so much...

VOTE: Varsoon

This is a good lynch.

~GC

The basis of your read on him is his claiming confirmed town. Point B if I understand it correct.

I don't see how his cockiness on how he self-confirmed himself as town is a scumtell, that's not really alignment indicative. Read his Signature even.

That's how I interpreted his early posts.

You really need to re-read my post.

In simple terms, Varsoon said only one person is confirmed town (The mod-confirmed IC). When in reality if you are town, from your point of view, there should be two confirmed town. Varsoon isn't town, so he forgot that point when he made that post. This is aside from the hypocritical posts where he confirmed himself town and

then

said only the mod-confirmed IC was confirmed town.

Mollie, even confirmed town can throw games. Just because they are town and everyone knows it doesn't give them a crystal ball.

Your degree of misrepresentation in these posts alone is staggering.
1: You're twisting my gambit of seeming uninterested and catching you into something to scumpaint me. You're trying to deny me agency, which is to assume that I couldn't possibly be doing what I said I was doing. This is a scum tactic. You're attempting to disarm and devalue my arguments and approach. You're also going on as if I'm lying and making a push at disenfranchising my voice.
2: You've completely disregarded the post where I posit that the only way to be truly confirmed to the rest of the game's players is via the moderator. Of course, that post wouldn't be very helpful since it blows a hole in your entire misrepresentation of the facts of our exchange.

You're trying to doctor yourself up as a 'winner', and me as an illogical, lying, scummy loser. The truth is that you're (very obviously) lying about our interaction in order to simultaneously devalue me as a player and push a wagon on me. You've committed the fallacy of presenting a strawman. This comes in the form of you re-writing our dialogue to make me seem like a bumbling, backpedaling moron and painting yourself as a calm voice of reason and cogency. In short, fuck you. I really want to replace out of this game, and have done so when people've been this way before, but I'm going to stay in it. I won't rest until you're dead--and not because you're an asshole, but because you're scum.

Could everyone who is not on my wagon or GCBC's wagon please shift to voting for one of us?

I want him dead or I want to die. Either way, one of us should not come out of this alive.

-

In the case of ‘Hurling Sexual-Preference Epithets’ (Post 1378)

:

Spoiler:

instead of insulting the people who've called you out.

Says the man who hurls sexual-preference epithets... Contradiction #1024?
~GC

This refers to my earlier remarks in Post 1350.

Why is this scummy?

Instead of continuing to engage my points, GCBC continues an insult-contest, insulting me as a 'man who hurls sexual-preference epithets'.
GCBC also devalues what I have to say by the added hyperbole of 'Contradiction #1024' (meaning that this is my 1024th contradiction) as well as acting as if he shouldn't stop insulting me solely because he perceives me as insulting him.

Why is this wrong?

'Rainbow Wizard' refers to this painting in the popular dating sim, Katawa Shoujo. Several jokes surround the nature of the painting, but the primary focus of these jokes is that the painting itself is a fiendish creature bent on cruelty. This is because the painting seems to stalk you through the game. Images such as this one were made, and the Rainbow Wizard is even a boss in the fan-made Katawa Shoujo Lite game. I used the words 'Rainbow Wizard' to refer to GCBC due to his fiendish and cruel nature of stalking me throughout the game, and how I was trying to avoid making it more than it actually was at the time by refusing to go point-by-point with him.
'Gandalf The Gay' refers to Dumbledore of the Harry Potter franchise as well as the actor Ian McKellen (who portrays Gandalf in the Lord of the Rings films). This serves the purpose of poking fun at the way in which GCBC has been acting like he has wizardly knowledge of the truth of things, while serving the purpose of a whimsical rhyme within my sentence. While Dumbledore has been confirmed as a homosexual by the author JKRowling and Ian McKellen is a gay rights activists and self-proclaimed homosexual, I don't understand how anyone could find being referred to as one or the other as an insult, but more on that... now.

With these dual layers of reference to relatively obscure titles, I was taking part in the further dance that GCBC and I have been engaged in. GCBC wrote that I used big words in order to mask the fact that I didn't know things, so as a further representation of using things that GCBC considers in this fashion, I used these two little-known references to continue that ongoing interaction. Of course, he didn't understand either one, and assumed that I was insulting him instead of referring to him as an irreverent bumbling old wizard man who's purpose in this game has largely been to send ill-will my way, ultimately ending in my death if anyone takes him too seriously.

On the topic of interpreting either of those to be an insult using a 'homosexual epithet', neither were, and by entering the dialectic where you assume that they are, you are further propping up the notion that homosexuality is an insult. I never intended it as such, and it's clear from my post that I wasn't using homosexuality in order to devalue GCBC's character or play at all. If anything, you shouldn't be offended to be called a homosexual at all, especially in the case that I provided, where the only interpretable instance of homosexuality being mentioned was in likening GCBC to Ian McKellen/Dumbledore, and in that case, both men stand as proud and strong figures for the homosexual community as well as generally wonderful people independent of their sexual orientation.

-In the case of 'Using Big Words I Don't Know the Meaning Of' (Post 1361):

Spoiler:

Why is This Scummy?

Here, GCBC insults me while simultaneously trying to devalue my play by insinuating that I'm hiding behind a layer of 'big words that I don't know the meaning of'. The word particular that he is referring to here is 'strawman', as it was the one quoted. Oh, it's also a lie, since I do know the meaning of every word I use, which leads into...

Why is this Wrong?

The notion of using 'big words' is already a failed one. This is an English board, and therefore, I expect everyone to be able to identify and understand whatever words that I choose to use. The argument that I'm putting forth more elaborate rhetoric in order to mask the fact I don't know things is laughable, mostly because it would be incredibly transparent if that was the case, and would make for a poor rhetorical decision in the first place.
As for the 'Strawman Fallacy', I posted a link explaining what it was in my post 1108, then provided exactly where GCBC was strawman-ing me.
When I provide the example of where you're doing it, and I provide a link to a page that describes it, you'd figure that I know what it is.

-In the case of 'Varsoon Thinks Claiming Confirms Him (as Town)' (Post 1243):

Spoiler:

Why is this Scummy?:

GCBC has constantly been reiterating this notion that I believe claiming confirms me as town. By writing that 'Varsoon thinks', he belittles my intellectual process by presenting the notion that I wildly believe in something as wrong as a claim clearing a player. He’s posited that I must be scum because I don’t consider myself confirmed town. Furthermore, it's a straight-up lie, because...

Why is this Wrong?:

In post 978 I explain that the only way to be truly confirmed is by the mod, and that a claim never will change that. This holds true throughout. What GCBC is likely hanging on to is my early posts in the game where I claim town and call myself 'confirmed town' for it. This is a clear joke, and a reference to how I used trust tells such as that one in the past. GCBC is also likely referring to my post 1110 where I full claim to 'further confirm myself as town'. The rhetoric in this sentence alone reflects the fact that my use of 'confirm' and GCBC's are not the same. The 'confirm' the GCBC is trying to act like I am putting forth here is the absolute--as in, I would absolutely be confirmed, as if by a mod. However, I use the adverb 'further' to modify confirm, because I am using the verb 'confirm' as an process. I believe that my claim makes me seem more town, which further confirms me in this way. Even if I die, it further confirms me in this way. GCBC has been acting as though I've meant that my claim holds the same power and absolute nature of a mod-confirm, although it's obvious from my use of the adverb 'further' as well as my points in post 978 that is not the case.

Posts like 1054 reflect GCBC continuing to misinterpret and/or misrepresent what I meant in post 978. In fact, 1054 is a really great example of GCBC calling me scum, acting as though I didn’t think I was town-confirmed (when I explicitly wrote that I know I’m town, but that’s only knowledge that only a few single players know).

-In the case of 'Claiming Slayers Gambit in Response to a Wagon Forming on Him' (Post 1243):

Spoiler:

Why is this Scummy?:

GCBC is using commonly-used site-related terms to refer to my play in order to demean it, calling it a 'shitty response' and presenting it as factitious (there's another big word for you, GCBC. It means fake or artificial, usually referring to that artificiality in a lying sort of way). This devalues my play while simultaneously stripping me of agency by acting like I am only claiming the use of a gambit, rather than actually using it.

Why is this Wrong?:

It only takes a bit of site-meta to know that I follow my games and am extremely active in them. It takes a bit of research to realize I've been posting in other games as well as in my Hydra while I've been in this game. It only takes reading this game to realize that I've been following along with it day by day from the content I've produced that speaks towards the game as a whole. Therefore, positing that I'm just claiming a 'Slayers Gambit' instead of actually doing it (which, if you look, I actually did) is a lie. In post 1230, GCBC directly speaks about my gambit and calls it scummy, which means that he does acknowledge that I actually did perform the gambit—this stands in direct contradiction of him acting as if I just claimed a gambit.
Furthermore, the 'wagon forming on me' was Chamber of Kittens (who inherited an old vote on me from the Remembrance Slot) and Jaqen. That's two votes, one of which had no push behind it (Chamber). Two votes doesn't mean very much on D1 of a large game, and so by acting as if my gambit (or, my bad, 'claim of a gambit') was in response to the wagon forming on me, then GCBC presenting me as someone who would make so much noise over only two little votes. That wasn't the case at all, as is apparent by the fact that my responses were directly in reference to GCBC and didn't seek to clear me nearly as much as they did to pressure and expose the GCBC slot.

Ultimately, what does this mean?
GCBC has been misrepresenting, insulting, devaluing, and demeaning me as well as other players throughout the course of the game. His play is scummy, anti-town, and anti-fun. He is, for me, every bit an actual lynch as he is a policy lynch. His waffling between wagons while pushing cases for various people as scum while avoiding to committing to any one is suspicious at best and absolutely scummy at worst.

So, one last time,
VOTE: GCBC

VOTE: GCBC

VOTE: GCBC

[Varsoon]

Hey, it only took roughly 4,000 words and 2 hours.

I'm not going to respond to anything else that you ask, do, misrepresent, fling, insult, or write, GCBC. I'm done with you. You're scum, and you're beneath my boot.

[Varsoon]

varsoon,

thoughts on gcbc?

Dude's scum.

<3

[Varsoon]

Probably, it happens a lot to me when I become stuck on the notion of someone being scum.

[Varsoon]

I noticed that post as well (about there being no chance of a 1-shot bomb and 1-shot redirect) and I think it relies on too much flimsy logic.

[Varsoon]

Katawa Shoujo was really cute. I followed the development of it from its inception, so I was really happy to see the finished product. I've only completed Rin and Kenji's path so far, but I'll probably play Lily's next. Rainbow Wizard is terrifying, though.

@Pie: Damn straight, that's the Pie I know and love. Good work, man. I like Kaze a lot as a player, but I don't know what to think of him this game. I interacted with him a bit to see how he responded to buddying, and, ultimately, I got that he wasn't willing to buddy me hard in response, but didn't push me away either. He also stuck to his scumread on you, Pie, so I figure that he's either really sure of himself or really pushing for the mislynch as scum.

@Kittens: Ah, that makes sense. I don't really like the bomb claim from Bulba, but I really just don't like claims at all anyway. It's almost always against town utility to claim. I regret doing so in this game, but my role wasn't incredibly strong and was likely anti-town utility in the first place. As far as PoE of one of us being scum, I hope that my play will reflect that it's not me. I'm not sure that Bubba is scum, mostly from PoE/Wagon Analysis.

@Bubba: I explained that--it was a metatextual joke. Wake claimed I was using words to mask that I didn't know things. The reality is that I did know these things. So, to further play on that irony, I used more words that I knew Wake would likely misinterpret. Does that make sense?
I'm aware we've both insulted each other. I'd quite like it to stop. The game is what is important, and I think it's fairly anti-town to focus on the player versus player aspects instead of the game-relevant content, because it trivializes what is actually there. This happened between Amrun and I in Death's Diner Mafia, and I was given a warning by the mod because of the player v player conflict that was happening. The reality was that Amrun was scum and was misrepresenting my case on her as an insult to her person rather than her play. This made people ignore my case, which helped scum win that game.

There's a decent possibility that GCBC is town and my confbias keeps me from seeing that, while my pushes on him make him believe that I'm scum because of 'em. I'm sold on GCBC scum, but the only truth in this game are corpses.

[Varsoon]

inb4 GCBC says because you 'think' they're town, and you don't 'know' you're town, it's a scumslip

[Varsoon]

It's likely, given their votes and play.
I'm more interested in finding a single scum for today's lynch over figuring out teams, but that seems really likely. GCBC and Kaze have both been on your wagon.

[Varsoon]

I sort of love how you guys were all "Varsoon made a long case on someone? MUST BE SCUM."
Newsflash, I'm capable of writing long posts as any alignment.
I typically just get more MOTIVATED as scum.

[Varsoon]

I want to believe in the shot.
But I also want to believe in Kaze.
'cus, y'know, he's like my son.
It's okay Kaze, I've been in your position before. Dying early in games you really like is always a bummer.

[Varsoon]

That's cool, but did you know that I'm capable of using the word 'misrep' in all of my games?
Classic Texas Sharpshoot Fallacy.

[Varsoon]

So you're masons with someone else?
And encryptor?

[Varsoon]

Might as well vote for town Cabd.

VOTE: Varsoon

~GC

Jesus those slips
VOTE: GC_BC

[Varsoon]

Thanks for blowing it, man.
It's worked before.

[Varsoon]

Like what town motivation would you ever have to blow it like that?
:l

[Varsoon]

Kaze, don't do so. You are my ally! We must persevere!
I also think Pie's claim is bad.
If not a pie lynch, what should we do, Kaze?

[Varsoon]

You've gotta try~

[Varsoon]

It's a joke. It worked before. It's okay, don't worry about it.

[Varsoon]

It's a suspicious claim, but I don't like Pie's voters/wagon.

[Varsoon]

Kise, and GCBC who has supported the wagon in the past. The Pie wagon has had a lot of flux, which bothers me. It's the mark of a wagon that scum wanted to lynch but hopped off of in order to push something else.

[Varsoon]

Thanks for blowing it, man.
It's worked before.

Like what town motivation would you ever have to blow it like that?
:l

It's dumb it's fluff and do you believe cadb who has been meticulous would fall for such a cheap trick

You're right, I'm dumb and retarded and it's fluff and it'd never work.
EXCEPT IT DID RIGHT HERE YOU NAGGER:
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 4#p5255644

[Varsoon]

So keep insulting me and being basic as fuck.

[Varsoon]

HOW DO PLANS OR TRICKS WORK
PEOPLE ARENT DUMB
HURRRR

[Varsoon]

EVERYONE IS SO SMART NO ONE FALLS FOR ANYTHING EVER

[Varsoon]

luckily that's not the case. the entire purpose of his stunt was an attempt to gain cheap cred.

No, that's just what you perceive. Stop trying to act like you know intentionality. This is literal misrepresentation.
I've already stated that the purpose was a joke, coupled with the fact it could work.

@GCBC: Of course you're not that player, but why not try? Thanks for insulting me some more, though~ You're so great! You're right, you'd never fall for that sort of trick, genius of mafia! Please, grace us with your providential reads! Wait, you're scum-reading me! That can't be--you're a genius and never wrong, so you've got to be scum. So, GCBC, admit that you're capable of being wrong, or admit that you're scum and your push on me is because you have to lie in order to win. Only one of these can be true, because I'm town.

@Kaze: I miss your old avatar.

[Varsoon]

No point to do so--that's aside from the game. You can look at your own posts and figure out where you're insulting people's intelligence, since you're a smart dude.

So, you admit you can be wrong--therefore, my quote-change wasn't worthless, ActionDan's interruption of it is scummy, and you can stop acting like I'm an idiot for expecting it to work.

[Varsoon]

Doodly doo, let's just lynch someone and end D1.
Pick a pool, it doesn't matter. At this point, we're not getting anything done and the game will actually start rolling when we lynch someone.
It could even be me, I don't care, I just want town to get motivated and start playing.
There's some big wagons, just chose one and vote.
We're not getting anywhere without a flip and the NK.

[Varsoon]

C'mon, this discussion is so bland.
Let's start lynching people.

[Varsoon]

Makes sense, but there's plenty of other wagons to push out.

[Varsoon]

@Katarina: I'm down for that.
@Jaqen: What makes Kise obvtown?

[Varsoon]

VOTE: Kise

[Varsoon]

<3

[Varsoon]

it makes me sad.

[Varsoon]

This is literal misrepresentation.

I am completely aware of what you're trying to 'represent'. I

am assigning a completely different and yet completely plausible interpretation.

The bolded is what's wrong.

UNVOTE:
Kise, you're actually cool.
Once again, I see Kittens and Dram being awkward with their votes.

VOTE: GCBC

Gonna stick to my guns.

[Varsoon]

And for today's episode of "Varsoon not reading Lush's posts" we have: Post 1835.

Which Lush posts haven't I read?
Do you mean the one where Lush was being critical of Kitten's vote?
'cus I read that one.

[Varsoon]

Saw that, GCBC. Remember my earlier post where I wrote that I don't care about Lush's reads/conf on you?
I'll go quote it.

[Varsoon]

Furthermore, if Mollie does ultimately town read you, you can ride that to the bank. If Mollie waffles on you, you can use that as leverage to push a mislynch on her later in the game because you know she's a powerful opponent of yours.

[Varsoon]

Scum you can ride that read and dismiss wagons on you.
Scum you would do that, and is capable of it.
Sorry, GCBC. Maybe if you were a weaker player, I wouldn't expect that sort of play from you. However, I know you're capable of anything, so I'm going to expect everything. Call it confbias and undermine it, but I've put my boot down.

Also, damn, I welshed on my goal of not interacting with you. D:

[Varsoon]

I can wiggle my butt too

[Varsoon]

GCBC wagon so good.
So many town on it.
Lets go.

[Varsoon]

wiggly butt

[Varsoon]

c'mon guys it isnt very hard just vote people n stuff

[Varsoon]

c'mon guys it isnt very hard just vote people n stuff

In a hurry to NK townies much? Any townies?

-DGB

PS I'll read the game later don't worry.

In a hurry

hurry

Huh. Nah, it's more like, this is an 80 page game that really needs to proceed to D2.

[Varsoon]

Although you are technically correct, because at night I might have the capacity to get someone NK'd. :3

[Varsoon]

@Saki: Samurai Flamenco and Space Dandy are both pretty good. I'm town this game. My wagon is easy, and scum-motivated. Dram and Action votes on me are worthless and gain no info on either of the slots because they haven't weighed in.


When I flip, please kill GCBC and the scum-fucks pushing my wagon. I want to die though, even if that's against my wincon in a way. Maybe I should claim scum so you guys lynch me or something and then you can post-death-slayers gambit it?

Anyway, I'm fine with my lynch.

VOTE: Varsoon

You guys are all jerks who don't listen to me anyway.

[Varsoon]

I'm tired of being considered as useless, so maybe my death will finally get town doing something worthwhile.

[Varsoon]

Nope.

Varsoon

[Varsoon]

Kaze, all I want is for someone to die today. If it's me, I know it wont be one of our stronger PRs.
It's all good.

[Varsoon]

Kaze, all I want is for someone to die today. If it's me, I know it wont be one of our stronger PRs.
It's all good.

[Varsoon]

We need a lynch regardless, and my death will give good PoE for the game.
It'll be good.
I've accepted it.
I need to die for us to win.

[Varsoon]

Varsoon, everyone with sense knows you aren't scum. Let's counter-wagon.

I'd want a counter wagon on either of GCBC/Dram/ActionDan. Gotta figure there's scum in those, eh. Gaiden's so null to me.

And space dandy seemed horrible from the 10 minutes I was willing to give it.

Space Dandy was fun and whimsical. I'd stick with at least 3 episodes and if it isnt for you, then don't go with it. What kinda anime do you like?


P-EDIT: Hahaha, it's cool Mollie. I've been fairly vocal about my pushes earlier in game and no one really cared, and I've claimed and everyone told me that was dumb, and I've been stressing how we need to take the game into D2 in order for it get off the ground.

Bomb and Stump are claims I cross my arms over.

[Varsoon]

How I feel about Gaiden.

@GCBC: Cool.

[Varsoon]

Ach, Pie, if you're scum and took my advice to heart, I'll swoon.

Anyway, I thought Kaze was scum for a long time, but now I'm fairly certain he's town. I could be terribly wrong, but I gotta figure he's town.

@Kagami: ANIME

Spoiler:

If you like cute stuff, pretty much anything by KyoAni is good.
I really like Welcome to the NHK, Great Teacher Onizuka, etc, but those might have too much fanservice for you.
Tatami Galaxy is great, if you haven't seen it.
You might really enjoy Shinsekai Yori/From the new World
Here's my MAL: http://myanimelist.net/animelist/ZeroEnigma

[Varsoon]

Yes.

[Varsoon]

Fun Fact: No one buys pizza like Varsoon, no one gets mislynched like Varsoon, for there's no man in town half as manly! Perfect, a pure paragon!

[Varsoon]

I'd be pretty glad with a Dram wagon, so we can Dram wagon if you guys want.

I also feel really, really uncomfortable about the back-to-back Lush Life and Chamber Kittens votes on me.

VOTE: Dram

[Varsoon]

I've let this game get away from me. Its just so painful.

Varsoon is the leading wagon so I'm going to start with trying to figure him out. I know in my initial read he stood out but I liked some of the more mid game stuff by him, when I was still actually thinking about the stuff I was reading.

VOTE: varsoon

He definitely did some questionable stuff early on. His recent posts have been a pile of null though.

Vote varsoon

This sequence feels wrong to me.

[Varsoon]

Yeah, if we hit deadline and there's no other wagon but mine, I guess I'm okay with being lynched. You guys all wanna lynch me anyway.

[Varsoon]

VOTE: Chamber of Kittens
Booty booty rock it will you now?

[Varsoon]

OMGUS

[Varsoon]

You people frustrate me. I swear to God if site meta is moving toward deadline lynches as a norm I'm going to riot in the streets.

You can bet the farm that the scum are loving all of this "gahhhh just lynch someone please this day needs to end" nonsense.

Pretty much this. People sit on their hands too much, no one makes great cases, and good cases are usually ignored.

[Varsoon]

<3 ETL
It's cray, but I love it.

Anyway, gotta love muh L-3.

[Varsoon]

So I was watching Fist of the North Star, and I wish there was a Fist of the North Star themed mafia game. So I'll probably run that. It'd be manly as fug.

[Varsoon]

I wonder if the mod is proud of us, his degenerate children.

Daddy said he liked me best.

[Varsoon]

VOTE: Gaiden
Going fur it.

[Varsoon]

It's a worthless mislynch, but it's a shot in the dark that's better than letting myself die.

[Varsoon]

U are ou t of your fucking minds if you think gaiden has more of a chance flipping scum than varsoon.

Guess I'm out of my mind, since I kinda know that gaiden has a better chance of flipping scum than me 'cus I know I'm not scum :3

Also, I figure I'll sheep whatever wagon isn't mine, because it'll make a lot of people vote for me, so the day either ends with a shot-in-the-dark lynch (because no one cares about cases, hahaha!) or I die. Either way, the day moves into D2, which is what town needs right now.

I hope you guys pick up the game and make informed, articulated decisions once I'm gone.

[Varsoon]

both of these wagons suck

Yeah I'd throw myself behind an ActionDan lynch though.

Serene, why you gotta want a lynch on every dude I want a lynch on?

Anyway, hope Gaiden is scum. If not, start by looking at Bubba tomorrow.
If I don't get lynched. I won't die, I'm too dumb/town-liability for scum to kill.

[Varsoon]

ACTION DAN IS GOOD TOO
VOTE: Action Dan

i'M ALL ABOUT DAT DAN
CAPSLOCK yeah

[Varsoon]

Shouldn't have said anything

CUS SCUM WHO SAY THINGS GET CAUGHT
DIE (cis) SCUM

[Varsoon]

You guys all suck.
VOTE: Varsoon
Peace out.

[Varsoon]

I don't want to play with people like you.

[Varsoon]

You're jerkbutts.

[Varsoon]

I hope you all lose the game.
Especially if you're scum.

[Varsoon]

Because it's fucked up to play like an asshole as scum.
It's okay to be an asshole if you're just an asshole, though.

[Varsoon]

Vote Gaiden. HURRY

It won't work.
Town's stupid this game.
Everyone's stupid this game.
I fucking tried, I really did, but you guys are too jerkholey for me.

[Varsoon]

You're at L-3 why are you putting yourself at L-2???

STAHP

Because no one else is going to get lynched today and I don't want to play with you guys.

[Varsoon]

stop being emo. unvote yourself

I'm not being emo, it's clearly an AtE meant to dismantle and distract from my wagon.
Assholes.

[Varsoon]

A man should read my god damn posts, because I've talked about it.
I'm not giving you shits reads.
You've got to do work to win,
I tried to put in work to help you tits,
but you just laughed and called me scum.
So I'm not helping you tits anymore.
Tits.

[Varsoon]

I wanted to lynch scum but noooo
jerks and butts

YOU WONT SEND ME PIZZA
NO ONE HAS EVER SENT ME PIZZA

[Varsoon]

Intent to hammer GCBC.
Staying on my wagon till then.

[Varsoon]

GCBC just confirmed there's no scum in me or Gaiden.
GG mislynch one of us.

[Varsoon]

GCBC is scum.

[Varsoon]

Because he's scum, and scum knows.

[Varsoon]

JUST FUCKING LYNCH ME
IT BEATS A NO LYNCH
FUCK

[Varsoon]

I have more interactions with people in this game than Gaiden. There's more to analyze and PoE, which you people wont do, you tits.

[Varsoon]

GCBC, maybe people just aren't golden gods like you.
Brb laughing forever as you're wrong about scumreading me.
Get off your high horse of being right/avoiding consequences and responsibility, and put a fucking vote on me.

[Varsoon]

COME ON
LYNCH ME
IM RIGHT HEEEERE
CMOOOOON
DOOO IT

[Varsoon]

No lynch doesn't happen here, it's plurality.

I pretty much decide between you and gaiden, unless waynegg gets off his ass and picks instead.

[Varsoon]

Big jiggling tits

[Varsoon]

Giant fleshy mounds of breasts.

[Varsoon]

mooo
im a cow

[Varsoon]

kaze died
varsoon cried

[Varsoon]

Gonna ride Pie's coat-tails for now.
AND FOREVER.

VOTE: Actiondan

I still don't like GCBCACDC

Super noided on Pie, but I wanna see how far the rabbit hole goes.

[Varsoon]

You ever think, "Oh man that girl has such a cute butt?"
ME NEITHER

[Varsoon]

Anyway, for serious, I'm spent and busy.
If I'm not around, don't let the jerkbutts trick you into lynching me.

I tried to kill you N1, GCBC. Didn't work.

How is GCBC confirmed?

[Varsoon]

Dram, why the fuck would you tip a cow?

[Varsoon]

Dram, why the fuck would you tip a cow?

[Varsoon]

D-d-dat doublepost.

[Varsoon]

My redirect works like so:
I chose a target. Night actions that happen to that target happen to a second target of my choice.
I figured scum would kill the IC, so I redir'd from Jaqen to you.

[Varsoon]

You ever want to punch your boss in the face while a horse watches?

[Varsoon]

Pie, if you ever learn anything from me, it's that claims don't mean anything.

If I was scum an an ally of mine was an encryptor, it'd make plenty of sense for me to claim town encryptor/whatever. That way, when my buddy flips before me, I get conf-town status because a bunch of rubes believe in claims more than play.

[Varsoon]

But yeah it makes plenty of sense to assume that the roles work as you're figuring they do in your head or something, but that's exactly why its exploitable.
I dunno, let's just lynch scum.

[Varsoon]

Woah Dram don't be calling my best friend a schizo

[Varsoon]

*Crickets*

[Varsoon]

[Varsoon]

21 p game
4 conf town
1 conf scum

c'mon guys just PoE the rest.

[Varsoon]

Hey GCBC,
the only reason we were fighting was because the record labels were paying us to,
so why don't we combine forces and make the best rap album of all ti--er, hunt scum?

[Varsoon]

if you think i'm scum here, vote me

Ah, the 'scum here and say it to my face' approach?

[Varsoon]

im a cheerful dog
woof

[Varsoon]

now im the pagetop
wooosh

[Varsoon]

now i am a birdy bird
chirp chirp

[Varsoon]

watch out, I am a lion~
raaaawr

[Varsoon]

watch out, I am a lion~
raaaawr

[Varsoon]

heeeeey, i am a sssssnaaaaake

[Varsoon]

Uhoh im a car
HONK

[Varsoon]

lookit me i am a lightning
ZAPPPA

[Varsoon]

no wait hold on hold on
i'm a sloth

[Varsoon]

i am a godzilla!
KRRAWWWWR

[Varsoon]

I am a fish
blub blub

[Varsoon]

wheee im a kid again
yaaaaay

[Varsoon]

im the life of the party!
Shezam!~

[Varsoon]

im a clock
tick took tik tok

[Varsoon]

Man, I already effort.
I am the effort.

[Varsoon]

You could've had a full page of my metamorphosis.
Now I'm just a Varsoon.
Deal with it.

[Varsoon]

But for real, let's pool on this.

[Varsoon]

I am down for the AD/Dram.
Muffin and Tsukasa, I can't even think of why. They feel under the radar. Gaiden was under the radar. I don't think the whole team is under the Radar. mite be wrong.

Can you explain Muffin and Tsukasa as they currently stand?

Also, can we tie up Dram?

[Varsoon]

I honestly think Dram is too scum to be scum, but those are always the players that get me. Dude's a liability.

[Varsoon]

Looks like everyone is saying Dram.

[Varsoon]

VOTE: Dram
looks like i'm voting dram

[Varsoon]

anyway gonna either go play more KS, or sleep, or even refresh my inbox for the 99th time.

[Varsoon]

Messiah, I'm not pointing a finger, lol. Doesn't matter how long you've been saying it... OR DOES IT?

[Varsoon]

Gonna backflip out of the game now,
adults can talk now

[Varsoon]

silly katarina, I am a ghost
wooooooOooooo~

Yeah, there was a mason encryptor claim from pie. Shit pings mad on my paranoia, but makes sense as well. Bugs me but it is what it is.
People are ignoring me because I'm either:
1. Stupid enough for scum to keep as a liability in mid/lategame
2. Town realizes I'm town.
Easy.

[Varsoon]

Alright that was most certainly a vig kill or like scum extra kill idk man.

holy fucking shit

wow I was right Katarina really is the SK

lynch or leash?

I know for a fact that this game isn't multiball.

Kat, you have exactly ten minutes to tell us everything you know about the setup "for a fact" before I wagon you ass into the fucking GROUND.


(expired on 2014-01-21 01:14:00)

Dem slips, Kat.
I know I just claimed ghost, but you're the one hurling towards a grave~

[Varsoon]

@Kat: I didn't know it was a plurality lynch until someone told me. So, basically, I figured that the game would be better off with me dead instead of a nolynch. Then people told me and I kinda rolled with it. Glad that Gaiden was scum, though.

[Varsoon]

I was kinda worried that Gaiden was a PR trying to lay low (after being informed of the plurality lynch thing) and figured I'd be better off dead.
Also, I'm not really married to this game. I think I'm pretty much useless.

[Varsoon]

I was kinda worried that Gaiden was a PR trying to lay low (after being informed of the plurality lynch thing) and figured I'd be better off dead.
Also, I'm not really married to this game. I think I'm pretty much useless.

[Varsoon]

A man will grant Varsoon his wish simply for burying a man's important question with rambling questions, even though it was a man's slot who only yesterday saved Varsoon from himself by insuring the fool's vote wouldn't win the race to the tie.

Hey man, I told you I was useless.

[Varsoon]

I hope you are referring to me, 'cus I'm a fish. I don't like the Oracle claim, but isn't it against the rules to lie about interaction with mods?
I figure it's town.

@Jaqen:

[Varsoon]

I think the Oracle claim is -really- convenient. I'm pretty distrustful of claims in general.

Even if Katarina is a mislynch, ooooh no we lost an Oracle who was lobbying for mislynches anyway.

[Varsoon]

GCBC, do you find it odd, as a man does, that Kat should single out Serene the victim of a vigilante vile? Why not Kaze? Why not either/or? Oddly specific a man thinks.

This. Weren't the kills identical?

[Varsoon]

SXTLHGaiden (L-3): Kazekirimaru | Katerina LeBlanc | Kagami | Messiah Complex | zMuffinman | bubbajack8 | Serene | Saki
Varsoon (L-4): ActionDan | dramonic | Mac | Lush Life | GoodCop_BadCop | The Chamber of Kittens | Varsoon

Outside of this, Pie and Amaranth were voting independently.

Who the fuck is Amaranth?

I don't like the Serene kill, either. Serene's last few pushes and ActionDan's push on Serene are likely related.

Humho.

[Varsoon]

I'm fine with a Chamber or Dan lynch.
Muffin is suspicious but I'd rather hedge my bets with the first two.

VOTE: ActionDan
If what I'm thinking is right, even an ML on Dan gives us really, really good info.

[Varsoon]

Let's Dan.

[Varsoon]

I gotta figure that looking at my wagon will be productive, given that scum could've easily gotten my lynched if they were riding the Gaiden wagon over mine.

[Varsoon]

Prodded, although I dunno how much I can contribute in the coming days as I'm flying back home tomorrow (weather permitting).

Jaqen, I don't think I ever voted for Gaiden. Could be wrong. Also, the 'us' refers to town. Read in the context of all of my posts, it's pretty apparent that I didn't know about the plurality lynch and wanted to be the day's lynch so town could PoE my death to victory.