Touhou: Mafia in the Land of Fantasy (Game Over)

[bubbajack8]

I'm not a fan of meta. Too big a playerlist to meta everyone anyway.

VOTE: Kaze

[bubbajack8]

Want ones i've replaced out of as well?

Last post I read. I have no clue where I posted my vote... UNVOTE:

There's more then one page re-reading.

[bubbajack8]

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=29901
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=32107
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=30676

I think this is it. I'll let you know if I find any more.

It is. I actually already meta'd you. I just wanted to see if you'd purposely leave any out. Thanks! ;D

LMFAO

It really doesn't take long to analyze a bunch of opening posts - especially with a small sample size. I started pulling up games as soon as he self-voted, so.

and you read them in less than 30 minutes?

Are you really arguing about if he read meta still?

Majiffy.

Oh my.

Mass experiment, please do:

@are you scum?
@ are you sure you're not scum?
@Are you town?
@ Are you sure you're not town?

Varsoon exempted, I don't want him to get banned again~

Like seriously all you're going to get is two piles: People paying attention and people paying not so much attention. Oh and lump non-native English speakers into the latter.

I thought this was a joke post.

pieguy scum, lush life town, gaiden town

why?

There's always point in arguing.

I think I agree.....

I'm not a fan of meta. Too big a playerlist to meta everyone anyway.

VOTE: Kaze

Oh you're going to love us.

I do already love this Hydra(?)

I'm not a fan of meta. Too big a playerlist to meta everyone anyway.

VOTE: Kaze

Want ones i've replaced out of as well?

Last post I read. I have no clue where I posted my vote... UNVOTE:

There's more then one page re-reading.

Wut

Messed up and didn't read anything except page 1. Lol.

[bubbajack8]

I do already love this Hydra(?)

Yes, we're a hydra of Cabd and fferyllt. You and I have played once before. I'm (fferyllt, that is) also in the Sound of Silence hydra.

I was being facetious, though. Cabd is one of the most meta-based players currently active at MS. And I seldom get through a game without a meta-dive or 3, myself.

ffferllt and gif was SoS <3 Seriously one of my favorite hydras. Anywho. You must be pretty good if I think you're town again.

Still don't care too much for meta though.

Today has been a bad day, even my town role pm didn't cheer me up that much. I hope I'll feel better in the morning.

I don't like the self-referential "I have a town role PM!" shit.

If this is Majiffy I'm gonna hate myself.

It's bork. But I agree with this. He wasn't the only one to do this though.

[bubbajack8]

Can't tell if trolling, scum or oblivious.

This.

Can't tell if trolling, scum or oblivious.

...Yyyyyyyyyyyyeeeeee.....-es?

Majiffy's town -_-

P.S.

It's way more helpful if you vote me.

That was I know you're VI

I'm usually the VI.

don't ignore me tsu

saki

whatever your name is!

God no.

I swear I unvoted. UNVOTE:

[bubbajack8]

but I don't think kaze is town. like I WANT him to be but

He's town, though. My role PM says so.

We just finished saying we don't like it when people say things like this.

Want ones i've replaced out of as well?

Last post I read. I have no clue where I posted my vote... UNVOTE:

There's more then one page re-reading.

How did you forget your vote in less than half an hour?

I hadn't read past page 1. New things were posted. I noticed more then 1 page. I then had no clue where I even posted. I then caught up. (:

Posted means page number by the way, not who it was on.

also @ Lush, idk. Riding pie seems best for now. Gaiden & Kaze's interaction looks phony. I have 2 of my own people of interest but now isn't the time to alert them.

I think this is pro-town.

I played 2 games last year. You joined in February. I don't know when your partner joined. I'm very unfamiliar with you both.

As far as your answer about satisfaction, I wouldn't ask the question if I didn't want to hear it straight from the cat's mouth. You have 86 posts. What have you accomplished?

swap your name for mine

You must have missed his appeal in 252.

I joined in December 2012. I wish I had a dollar for every time a player has opined about the substance vs quantity of my posts on day 1 (and in some cases later).

If I ever have the time, I'll go back and chart those opinions against the players' alignments.

I so want to go chart this now.

npnp

But what if I don't like your townblock?

What if I make my own but

bigger

?

And what if I steal 1 or 2 of your members?

I don't think your 6 will be able to compete.

I know you're joking, but an interweaved web of townreads/blocs is actually sometimes a pretty powerful town tool for PoE.

Except for when those town read players are scum

npnp

But what if I don't like your townblock?

What if I make my own but

bigger

?

And what if I steal 1 or 2 of your members?

I don't think your 6 will be able to compete.

I know you're joking, but an interweaved web of townreads/blocs is actually sometimes a pretty powerful town tool for PoE.

X

That's the first thing you've posted so far that I like.

There's nothing posted but a big red X why do you like it?

hat Jaqen Hghar kid is on it.

Holy shit seriously? He hasn't even posted!

[bubbajack8]

Holy shit seriously? He hasn't even posted!

So uh guys that care. Townslip?

? I was making a joke at the fact he's "mod-confirmed"

Holy shit seriously? He hasn't even posted!

So uh guys that care. Townslip?

why are you deflecting off of that he pointed out that you guyz said that jaqun is on it when he hasn't even posted by giving a "townread" for a "townslip" when it kinda looks like he is pointing out that you scumslipped?

He's mod confirmed lol.

Patchouli Knowledge (who's with Jaqen Hghar) is now

mod-confirmed town

with one less life

.

I saw it and I didn't know what it meant!

I also remember someone quoting it with earlier in the post saying Flavor has no aspect. So I had no clue as well.

and if anybody starts in with that crap about how townie it is to point that out I will freaking dropkick them in their kneecaps

Not to self. Kneecaps are a thing in this game, get guards.

[bubbajack8]

Hey. Hey mollie. Bubba noticed it too so that makes him my scumbuddy right?

he also said he had no clue what it meant yeah?

I also referenced a quote by someone else yeah. Noticing it is not alignment indicative.

I also remember someone quoting it with earlier in the post saying Flavor has no aspect. So I had no clue as well.

also this argument would be utterly retarded if I was town reading you

Hi Jiffy.

I'm confused as to the source of this tension.

Me too.

? I was making a joke at the fact he's "mod-confirmed"

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I also remember someone quoting it with earlier in the post saying Flavor has no aspect. So I had no clue as well.

Hmm?

Let me find it.

*The flavor is unrelated to the setup*

Patchouli Knowledge (who's with Jaqen Hghar) is now

mod-confirmed town

with one less life

.

trollolol.

VOTE: UFO

because I see you Nue

First page.

P:EDIT STOP POSTING JESUS

[bubbajack8]

NO I was confused on if Jaqen was actually mod confirmed or if flavor was unrelated.

[bubbajack8]

NO I was confused on if Jaqen was actually mod confirmed or if flavor was unrelated.

If you were unsure, how/why did you make a

joke

at the fact that he was mod confirmed?

See bolded.

When I saw it I wasn't sure. morph brought it up as her only town read so I was joking / asking if it was because if he was "confirmed" If you want to try to see further then that. Then try. If you want to keep asking me questions go for it. I'm an open book.

And given she's no longer dictating my pace nor my timing, I'm cool with talking townreads earlier than she was.

T {the inno child; kaze; gaiden; borkmolliejiffy}
LT {tsukasa}

What's LT?

do you agree with bubbajack town?

I'm not sure how I feel about this. People are saying she's scummy, and she specifically throws my name out. :shiftyeyes:

morph isn't town guyz

I wish you could see it

It would be easier if you pointed out why.

[bubbajack8]

Maybe him and bubba? I mean bubba is your townread but bub looks like he's discrediting you in 336, only to later corroborate that you were right in thinking he was confused. (I said LOOKS LIKE discrediting, not IS discrediting)

Where did it look like it. Where I said "I also referenced a quote by someone else yeah. Noticing it is not alignment indicative."

That's discrediting. I stand by it as well. It's also a jab at morph for thinking it was alignment indicative. I also was making reference to the fact I wasn't the only one who noticed it.

@Tsukasa, I like calling myself town as town. It's sort of bizzare, but I enjoy it. I'm town, I'm town. It's like I'm saying "hey guys, I'm over here". I'm not sure where you've played with me(rather, I do but I don't want you to replace out), but If it was a while ago I know I had no scum games where I called myself town as scum. it was a bit of a trust tell at the time. I one time denied being recruited as cult though.

You are trying to abuse a meta you and Tsu know about. Being self-aware of only calling yourself town as town? Yeah I've seen scum do that.

Unvote;
Vote Remembrance

He uh replaced out.

@Mod: why was this edited. Also I unvoted here

Want ones i've replaced out of as well?

Last post I read. I have no clue where I posted my vote... UNVOTE:

There's more then one page re-reading.

And here

UNVOTE:

Love you Gif.

P:Edit: Hey Jiffy how well did voting me work out last time?

[bubbajack8]

Maybe him and bubba? I mean bubba is your townread but bub looks like he's discrediting you in 336, only to later corroborate that you were right in thinking he was confused. (I said LOOKS LIKE discrediting, not IS discrediting)

Where did it look like it. Where I said "I also referenced a quote by someone else yeah. Noticing it is not alignment indicative."

That's discrediting. I stand by it as well. It's also a jab at morph for thinking it was alignment indicative. I also was making reference to the fact I wasn't the only one who noticed it.

@Tsukasa, I like calling myself town as town. It's sort of bizzare, but I enjoy it. I'm town, I'm town. It's like I'm saying "hey guys, I'm over here". I'm not sure where you've played with me(rather, I do but I don't want you to replace out), but If it was a while ago I know I had no scum games where I called myself town as scum. it was a bit of a trust tell at the time. I one time denied being recruited as cult though.

You are trying to abuse a meta you and Tsu know about. Being self-aware of only calling yourself town as town? Yeah I've seen scum do that.

Unvote;
Vote Remembrance

He uh replaced out.

@Mod: why was this edited. Also I unvoted here

Want ones i've replaced out of as well?

Last post I read. I have no clue where I posted my vote... UNVOTE:

There's more then one page re-reading.

And here

UNVOTE:

Love you Gif.

P:Edit: Hey Jiffy how well did voting me work out last time?

[bubbajack8]

The amount of the word town in Varsoon's post concerns me.

[bubbajack8]

P:Edit: Hey Jiffy how well did voting me work out last time?

Idk, were you lynched? If so; then I guess it worked out great.

Games over. I was town.

Holy shit Majiffy get out of my ass. I know you love to hate me, but for real brah.

P:edit; Pretty sure you said that last time. -_-

[bubbajack8]

I don't consider my play scummy. Maybe you should except MY play is MY fucking play and move on.

[bubbajack8]

Then make this mistake again. I fucking dare you.

I think I'm going to start advertising myself as the person Majiffy can't read.

[bubbajack8]

The argument against bubba is that he made a joke about the IC and then said he didn't realize he was an IC?

It's because Majiffy no likey bubba's play.

The argument against bubba is that he made a joke about the IC and then said he didn't realize he was an IC?

No. I am collecting a mental note on all the scummy things he has said in the last 24 hour period. I believe I'm well over 6 by now.

Bring it the fuck on. This is a drastic change from you saying you were going to ignore me.

Why did you say you were gonna ignore me if you're just gonna get up my ass like always.

[bubbajack8]

Ok.

Well to help your advertising campaign, you should self-vote. Then when you flip town, you'll have two mislynches to point to!

Hooray, teamwork!

I refuse to self vote. I'm not going to get mislynched to prove my point.

Last time I attempted to do that I was practically force replaced.

[bubbajack8]

Why did you say you were gonna ignore me if you're just gonna get up my ass like always.

I was assuming you'd have a town role PM, but once again you seem to be playing like a scumbutt.

Which is what you thought LAST time I had a friggin town PM.

[bubbajack8]

I refer to you my earlier comment about my play being MY play.

[bubbajack8]

I'm not a fan of meta. Too big a playerlist to meta everyone anyway.

VOTE: Kaze

190 posts into the game; his first post does not actually comment on anything relevant but makes a sweeping statement to discredit meta arguments as a whole, with a meta-heavy playerlist.

Already explained. I now understand this is a meta-heavy playerlist. I still don't care for meta.

Want ones i've replaced out of as well?

Last post I read. I have no clue where I posted my vote... UNVOTE:

There's more then one page re-reading.

Literally two posts later. No clue where he put his vote?

Also already explained fucking read.

LMFAO
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Are you really arguing about if he read meta still?
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Oh my.
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I thought this was a joke post.
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why?
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I think I agree.....
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I do already love this Hydra(?)
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Messed up and didn't read anything except page 1. Lol.

Avoids any conversation about anything relevant, makes a lot of awkward comments and meaningless fluff posting.

I feel it is relevant.

ffferllt and gif was SoS <3 Seriously one of my favorite hydras. Anywho. You must be pretty good if I think you're town again.

Still don't care too much for meta though.

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If this is Majiffy I'm gonna hate myself.

It's bork. But I agree with this. He wasn't the only one to do this though.

Two "opinions" that don't go against the grain. Again, adds nothing to the game.

You add nothing to the game. Actually present problems with my posts besides "I don't add anything to the game" Because you can attack half the fucking playerlist with that.

This.
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Majiffy's town -_-
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I'm usually the VI.
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God no.
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I swear I unvoted. UNVOTE:

More meaningless nothingposting.

More bullshit argument.

We just finished saying we don't like it when people say things like this.
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I hadn't read past page 1. New things were posted. I noticed more then 1 page. I then had no clue where I even posted. I then caught up. (
Posted means page number by the way, not who it was on.
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I think this is pro-town.
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I so want to go chart this now.
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Except for when those town read players are scum
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There's nothing posted but a big red X why do you like it?
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Holy shit seriously? He hasn't even posted!

Scummy as fuck post, but we'll get into that separately in the next spoilered section.

Alright. Hopefully you want to start splainin

? I was making a joke at the fact he's "mod-confirmed"
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He's mod confirmed lol.
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I also remember someone quoting it with earlier in the post saying Flavor has no aspect. So I had no clue as well.
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Not to self. Kneecaps are a thing in this game, get guards.

Play dumb, finish with an awkward joke like you're in with the cool kids.

I am the cool kid. Wasn't playing dumb. Already explained all of this as well. Maybe instead of cutting half my posts you should read them.

Are you mad I'm cooler then you Jiffy?

I also referenced a quote by someone else yeah. Noticing it is not alignment indicative.
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Hi Jiffy.
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Me too.
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Let me find it.

First page.

P:EDIT STOP POSTING JESUS

More non-confrontational try-to-look-helpful nothing posting.

You want me to be confrontational?

NO I was confused on if Jaqen was actually mod confirmed or if flavor was unrelated.

So at first you were making a joke that he was mod confirmed and now you're confused about it.

Was explained. Was confused when I read the post I quoted. Joke still stands. C'mon Jiffy try harder. Or read more.

See bolded.

When I saw it I wasn't sure. morph brought it up as her only town read so I was joking / asking if it was because if he was "confirmed" If you want to try to see further then that. Then try. If you want to keep asking me questions go for it. I'm an open book.
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What's LT?
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I'm not sure how I feel about this. People are saying she's scummy, and she specifically throws my name out. :shiftyeyes:
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It would be easier if you pointed out why.

Only content he's made so far has been defending himself.

So i should just not defend myself and self vote right?

384 posts into the game, and his 9th.

Where did it look like it. Where I said "I also referenced a quote by someone else yeah. Noticing it is not alignment indicative."

That's discrediting. I stand by it as well. It's also a jab at morph for thinking it was alignment indicative. I also was making reference to the fact I wasn't the only one who noticed it.
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He uh replaced out.

@Mod: why was this edited. Also I unvoted here

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And here

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Love you Gif.

P:Edit: Hey Jiffy how well did voting me work out last time?

Buzzwording, then a lot of "look busy and helpful" do nothing, followed up by a soft-discredit of my vote on him.

I am discrediting your vote. You're an idiot.

The amount of the word town in Varsoon's post concerns me.

"Oh yeah saying town was a thing earlier I bet I could look pro-town by pointing this out"

That was exactly my attempt. I was trying to be confrontational. :rolleyes:

More nothing.

Games over. I was town.

Holy shit Majiffy get out of my ass. I know you love to hate me, but for real brah.

P:edit; Pretty sure you said that last time. -_-

Then begins the "You mislynched me once and that is obviously alignment-indicative to my role PM this game" defense.

You want to mislynch me again? By all means do it. I fucking dare you. Do it so you can see how much of a dumbass you are.

I don't consider my play scummy. Maybe you should except MY play is MY fucking play and move on.

More mislynch defense. Also, testy much?

Testy?

Then make this mistake again. I fucking dare you.

I think I'm going to start advertising myself as the person Majiffy can't read.

Someone's getting awfully riled up about Majiffy voting them.

Because you're fucking wrong.

With no other votes on them.

Isn't this what they call "cracking under pressure"? I think so, too.

No it's called Majiffy's not thinking.

It's because Majiffy no likey bubba's play.
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Bring it the fuck on. This is a drastic change from you saying you were going to ignore me.

Why did you say you were gonna ignore me if you're just gonna get up my ass like always.

Strawman, and more mislynch defense.

Do it again.

I refuse to self vote. I'm not going to get mislynched to prove my point.

Last time I attempted to do that I was practically force replaced.

More nothing.

this is nothing? Are you kidding?

Why hasn't he even pushed for me to post my reasons for voting him yet? Probably because he doesn't want the wagon to catch on. Because he's scum.

Right :rolleyes:

Why did you say you were gonna ignore me if you're just gonna get up my ass like always.

I was assuming you'd have a town role PM, but once again you seem to be playing like a scumbutt.

Which is what you thought LAST time I had a friggin town PM.

What a broken record.[/spoiler]
Highlights the general amount of zero content Bubba has produced thus far in the game, and a follow up by highlighting his play in the last 6 or 7 posts in his ISO that are scummy.

Highlight how bad Majiffy is playing.

But

for those looking for a specific

- and more importantly, more concise -

case for why bubba is scum

, I refer you to

my next post.

Looking forward because this is just saying I've provided no content. Baseless. Why is providing no content scummy

Why do you push on me and not the others who have done the same?

[bubbajack8]

I'm not a fan of meta. Too big a playerlist to meta everyone anyway.

Discrediting meta arguments in a meta-heavy playerlist.

I now realize it's a meta-heavy playerlist.

AS scum would I want to bring attention to myself by doing this?

We just finished saying we don't like it when people say things like this.

Forcing himself into the "town" herd by referring to "we".

We meant playerlist not town -_-

Except for when those town read players are scum

Discrediting the idea of forming a townbloc.

I'll refer to this later.

Hey. Hey mollie. Bubba noticed it too so that makes him my scumbuddy right?

he also said he had no clue what it meant yeah?

I also referenced a quote by someone else yeah. Noticing it is not alignment indicative.

"Please don't look at me".

"Please realize I'm not the only person who noticed it." I've also said "I'm not the only person posting nothing

The amount of the word town in Varsoon's post concerns me.

Already mentioned this, but he's trying to leapfrog off an observation I made earlier to look like he's scumhunting, when he's not.

I've said I think some people are town. Some players haven't posted yet.

What's to say I think everyone who has posted is town.

P:Edit: Hey Jiffy how well did voting me work out last time?

Idk, were you lynched? If so; then I guess it worked out great.

Games over. I was town.

Holy shit Majiffy get out of my ass. I know you love to hate me, but for real brah.

P:edit; Pretty sure you said that last time. -_-

Begin #MislynchDefense

Begin You suck argument.

I don't consider my play scummy. Maybe you should except MY play is MY fucking play and move on.

Defensive behavior (feigned indignation) to cover up for what they deem to be an indefensible argument being put forth.

MY PLAY IS MY PLAY IT'S ALWAYS LIKE THIS GTFO

Then make this mistake again. I fucking dare you.

I think I'm going to start advertising myself as the person Majiffy can't read.

More of the above. Also more #MislynchDefense

I'm about 5 seconds from claiming. Do you fucking want that?

Why did you say you were gonna ignore me if you're just gonna get up my ass like always.

I was assuming you'd have a town role PM, but once again you seem to be playing like a scumbutt.

Which is what you thought LAST time I had a friggin town PM.

etc.

Still haven't answered my question. What does etc. mean? how is that in depth on why I'm scum? Why did you say you were going to ignore me, and now you're on my ass?

I refer to you my earlier comment about my play being MY play.

etc.[/spoiler]

So can we please lynch this thing now?

WHAT THE FUCK DOES ETC MEAN HOW DOES THAT MEAN IM SCUMMY

PEDIT: MAJIFFY DO YOU EVEN FUCKING REALIZE THAT YOURE GOING TO MAKE THE IC'S LIFE MISERABLE

ARE YOU READING?

[bubbajack8]

Those are 2 different players. Mollie handed the read to Majiffy.

[bubbajack8]

I'll be back. I have a meeting to go to.

Some people have a life other then FAILING at mafiascum...

[bubbajack8]

Jesus Christ shoot yourself with a high caliber pistol through the skull,

please.

Mod: Can we have this player removed for this comment. Thanks.

[bubbajack8]

I now realize it's a meta-heavy playerlist.

AS scum would I want to bring attention to myself by doing this?

That's null-attention, as being anti-meta is relatively null. The importance here is in

how often you come back just to discredit different forms of scumhunting.

I don't like meta. I don't agree with it. The whole point of mafia is to adapt. I stand by that with every fucking inch of me. I'm from EM. There's not TOO much meta in EM.

We meant playerlist not town -_-

... The playerlist being predominantly town-populated and those of which whom are not town attempting to blend into the playerlist

as

town.

So you meant town. And this a lie.

Wow you're dense.

I'll refer to this later.

*Thumbs up* Lookin' forward to that one!

Good.

"Please realize I'm not the only person who noticed it." I've also said "I'm not the only person posting nothing

I was pointing out more how much you keep bringing up the alignment-neutral aspect of noticing it.

Ok both are true.

I've said I think some people are town. Some players haven't posted yet.

What's to say I think everyone who has posted is town.

I don't see how that matters. You can say whoever you want is town as scum, and saying someone is town doesn't mean that you're scumhunting.

You show no signs of scumhunting.

You missed my point. My point was what if scum hasn't showed to the game yet?

MY PLAY IS MY PLAY IT'S ALWAYS LIKE THIS GTFO

"WTF I ALWAYS PLAY LIKE THIS AS TOWN HOW CAN YOU CATCH ME AS SCUM"

Alright you're a meta player. Look at how pro as fuck my scum game is. Like holy shit balls. My ONLY scum game. I replaced in. But serious. http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=84&t=27373

I'm proud of that game. Everything worked for me. Like everything. That's how I play as scum.

I'm about 5 seconds from claiming. Do you fucking want that?

Sure. And then I'll push through your lynch anyway, because claims ain't shit but hoes and tricks.

It if you lynch a hoe with tricks you'll end up looking like a dick.

Still haven't answered my question. What does etc. mean? how is that in depth on why I'm scum? Why did you say you were going to ignore me, and now you're on my ass?

Etc. means more of your stupid Mislynch defense.
I've provided at least 6+ instances of you partaking in incredibly scummy behavior.

Bullshit. You have not provided HOW it's scummy.

I don't see how pre-game joking around can, should, or would, have any influence over in-game play.

*Joking* riiight.

But we're just back to you being mad I've caught you.

Mad because you're not thinking.

WHAT THE FUCK DOES ETC MEAN HOW DOES THAT MEAN IM SCUMMY

PEDIT: MAJIFFY DO YOU EVEN FUCKING REALIZE THAT YOURE GOING TO MAKE THE IC'S LIFE MISERABLE

ARE YOU READING?

I don't care if he's mod-confirmed town, that just means I don't have to read him.

But you should listen to him like town listened to you correct?

Confirmed town doesn't mean useful town.

TRUE STORY. I POINT TO SHURRIFF

Confirmed town doesn't mean smart town.

Shurrif

Confirmed town means I don't have to bother reading his shitposting.

This was literally me in that game. Literally.

Once again, majiffy reminding us he cant scumhunt his way out of a paperbag

Feel free to refute my arguments point-by-point.

Jesus Christ shoot yourself with a high caliber pistol through the skull,

please.

Mod: Can we have this player removed for this comment. Thanks.

You know the old motto;
If you can't out-argue 'em, try to force-replace 'em!

I take suicide very seriously. That's crossing the line. If Mac had said it, or Morph I would have asked for their force-replace too.

has an IC ever been policy lynched?

I refuse an IC policy lynch.

P:Edit: Hey Jiffy how well did voting me work out last time?

Such belligerent language. Sounds like a challenge.

i'd like to think of it that way, and Jiffy's gonna screw everyone on it. Especially since he's town.

I don't consider my play scummy. Maybe you should except MY play is MY fucking play and move on.

What an odd thing to say. Isn't it a bit early to start getting defensive?

I get defensive D1 every town game I've played.

Spoiler: Why Bubba is ObvScum

I'm not a fan of meta. Too big a playerlist to meta everyone anyway.

Discrediting meta arguments in a meta-heavy playerlist.

We just finished saying we don't like it when people say things like this.

Forcing himself into the "town" herd by referring to "we".

This sentence is just bad

bad

bad.

Except for when those town read players are scum

Discrediting the idea of forming a townbloc.

Hey. Hey mollie. Bubba noticed it too so that makes him my scumbuddy right?

he also said he had no clue what it meant yeah?

I also referenced a quote by someone else yeah. Noticing it is not alignment indicative.

"Please don't look at me".

The amount of the word town in Varsoon's post concerns me.

Already mentioned this, but he's trying to leapfrog off an observation I made earlier to look like he's scumhunting, when he's not.

P:Edit: Hey Jiffy how well did voting me work out last time?

Idk, were you lynched? If so; then I guess it worked out great.

Games over. I was town.

Holy shit Majiffy get out of my ass. I know you love to hate me, but for real brah.

P:edit; Pretty sure you said that last time. -_-

Begin #MislynchDefense

I don't consider my play scummy. Maybe you should except MY play is MY fucking play and move on.

Defensive behavior (feigned indignation) to cover up for what they deem to be an indefensible argument being put forth.

Then make this mistake again. I fucking dare you.

I think I'm going to start advertising myself as the person Majiffy can't read.

More of the above. Also more #MislynchDefense

It's because Majiffy no likey bubba's play.

Bring it the fuck on. This is a drastic change from you saying you were going to ignore me.

Why did you say you were gonna ignore me if you're just gonna get up my ass like always.

etc.

Why did you say you were gonna ignore me if you're just gonna get up my ass like always.

I was assuming you'd have a town role PM, but once again you seem to be playing like a scumbutt.

Which is what you thought LAST time I had a friggin town PM.

etc.

I refer to you my earlier comment about my play being MY play.

etc.

So can we please lynch this thing now?

Decent points. Mulling this over.

Read my reactions.

Pretty much all of bubba's 469 is "no u" and "that means nothing"s and I must say I'm not feeling good about it.

No you?

Half his shit meant nothing they WEREN'T good points.

I now realize it's a meta-heavy playerlist.

AS scum would I want to bring attention to myself by doing this?

WIFOM

Such a pro scum tactic.

I'm about 5 seconds from claiming. Do you fucking want that?

Do it.

Patience my young padawan. I'm not as pissed off about to do stupid things right now. I have a rough draft saved of the claim though.

I'll be back. I have a meeting to go to.

Some people have a life other then FAILING at mafiascum...

You're awful. I kinda want to see you hang.

Thank you

Jesus Christ shoot yourself with a high caliber pistol through the skull,

please.

Mod: Can we have this player removed for this comment. Thanks.

Psychobabble alert: Looks like you're trying to discredit Jiffy by calling attention to his abrasive comment.

Explained in this post.

I'm pretty set to vote bubba if that's where we want to go today, but pie is just as good a vote to me. Can I have more votes on pie, or do I need to elucidate the case on him for you slow-to-starts?

I'm a stickler for cases.

My initial thought was that town was more likely to skip over the posts form the mod

whereas scum was more likely to read it thoroughly

, but that theory was clearly flawed.

You all ought to be ashamed of yourselves.

A boy says much, without saying. A man sees the scum have no day chat. This is just so. With his own words, a boy condemns himself.

VOTE: Morph the cat

In the bold, a boy (cabd) is admonishing his teammates to read stuff before posting and giving their scum selves over their own laziness. He would have to be sly to do so in thread, which also shows scum have no day talk. For a boy (cabd) to know scum have no day talk, he too would have to be scum. While the ones this message was to are as yet unknown, cabd slipped in a very cabd way. Ergo, cabd is scum. Ergo, morph the cat is scum. Ergo, he should be lynched.

so you can see the possibility too, morph and bubba are scum?

I have no words right now.

A man sees that if bubba is scum he HAS to be scum with MtC.

And when he's town?

@mollie & jaq, I'm still unimpressed with morph's reddit style posting and can vote that. Either bubba has to fuck up or Morph has to flip scum before I even think about rallying for votes towards bubba. I'm strongest to weakest on Rem, pie & morph>bubba.

Reasons on each please.

The severe lack of nothing in Kagami's ISO is alarming. I think the vote on Remembrance is bullshit given Rem can't defend himself. And poor, considering it doesn't really make sense.

Lack of nothing? I do see your points and agree. I'm wary of her, too. Mainly because I don't know what scum-Kagami looks like yet. This might be her scum debut.

Still town every game. Rem's replacement probably proves her town.

in what way? a replace out is alignment neutral IMO

Don't look at my partner Kagami.

Your argument on bubba is consistent and effortful. I think there's potential for a lot of confbias there, so I was hesitant to hop on. It feels like you got the scum tinglies, and then fit the evidence to that read. The gun post was absurdly inappropriate, but not alignment indicative. I think you're prob-town. Bubba leans scum for this.

Agree, don't know what confbias is. I never said it was. Agree. Wtf.

i'm more concerned with him adding the sentence at all. i don't really think it was a message to his scum buddies, but i don't see the sentence coming from a town mindset.

That's different than what others are arguing, but I think my explanation is most viable there - everyone (allegedly) missing the IC thing is overall bad for the gamestate and I think that is the only thing someone might be ashamed for there.

If you're saying what ActionDan is saying I agree.

He is ashamed that town is not as good as himself.

This is what I was trying to say more eloquently put.

Then yes I agree.

I had a long meeting. But it brought my spirits up, and I'm in a better mood. I may ISO everyone tomorrow (except Lush you know how I feel about him)

[bubbajack8]

i refuse to read those fucking giant quote walls. go fuck yourself if you're planning to do any more of them

I warned you pre game it was my thing.

[bubbajack8]

pieguy, Remembrance, bubba, Kagami. How's that sound? Those are my scumreads. And you know what? Many of them all decided it'd be a novel idea to vote Cabd within a span of like three fucking hours! Dat wagon. How's that for you, eh?

*cough* Bullshit. I've made it clear I'm not voting right now. I'm about to ISO everyone in a minute, then I'll most likely vote.

The answer is yes. I suggest you find the time to read those aforementioned posts, because I don't intend to stop making them.

My words to you.

Patience my young padawan. I'm not as pissed off about to do stupid things right now. I have a rough draft saved of the claim though.

A man wonders why town would need a 'rough draft' of a claim?? A man thinks town just need a role pm to paraphrase.

That's part of it. I also had some questions to the mod to make sure I was within the rules.

i refuse to read those fucking giant quote walls. go fuck yourself if you're planning to do any more of them

I warned you pre game it was my thing.

Also yeah, fuck your giant quote walls and shit. It's so easy to condense a point without being a fool about it. Or use spoiler tags so I don't immediately lose will to read it. Most of the reactions you have don't even contribute to the actual read, you're just adding more to make it seem like you have a well built case on someone when you're just kind of trying your best to disregard their posts by giving horrible replies that don't contribute or just plain piss them off. It's working too!

I respond to everything as I see fit. It's my way of playing. I do not use spoilers unless for cases because I don't want people skimming over it. I'm not trying to create a well built case. That's not my purpose. My purpose is to make my stance and opinions known, not to build a case.

I still want Kise gone, but bubbajack is much worse. I'd be happy with either of them gone. At least calm dis thread down a bit. Friendships have already been tarnished

If I somehow tarnished a friendship I am sorry. I would like to know why you want Kise gone.

[bubbajack8]

I now realize it's a meta-heavy playerlist.

AS scum would I want to bring attention to myself by doing this?

That's null-attention, as being anti-meta is relatively null. The importance here is in

how often you come back just to discredit different forms of scumhunting.

I don't like meta. I don't agree with it. The whole point of mafia is to adapt. I stand by that with every fucking inch of me. I'm from EM. There's not TOO much meta in EM.

You're still blatantly ignoring the point.

Go read my sentence again.

I got your point. I was saying I STILL don't agree with meta (Which is one of the things I discredited)

We meant playerlist not town -_-

... The playerlist being predominantly town-populated and those of which whom are not town attempting to blend into the playerlist

as

town.

So you meant town. And this a lie.

Wow you're dense.

Then explain to the dense player why the dense player is incorrect and dense.

Because You're saying I'm lying. How do you know I'm lying. It's baseless, and bullshit. You are ASSUMING I'm lying to paint me as scummy. Happy?

I'll refer to this later.

*Thumbs up* Lookin' forward to that one!

Good.

Still waiting.

It's going to be a while, trust me I'll get it in.

"Please realize I'm not the only person who noticed it." I've also said "I'm not the only person posting nothing

I was pointing out more how much you keep bringing up the alignment-neutral aspect of noticing it.

Ok both are true.

Ok, so you agree that you're nervously self-conscious about your alignment.

No. What's true is the alignment neutral aspect, and that I'm not the only one posting nothing. Where the hell you got I'm self concious about my alignment I don't even know.

I've said I think some people are town. Some players haven't posted yet.

What's to say I think everyone who has posted is town.

I don't see how that matters. You can say whoever you want is town as scum, and saying someone is town doesn't mean that you're scumhunting.

You show no signs of scumhunting.

You missed my point. My point was what if scum hasn't showed to the game yet?

You wouldn't know,

because you're not scumhunting.

And you're sitting on a bad lead. I told you'd I was ISOing everyone. Jeez.

MY PLAY IS MY PLAY IT'S ALWAYS LIKE THIS GTFO

"WTF I ALWAYS PLAY LIKE THIS AS TOWN HOW CAN YOU CATCH ME AS SCUM"

Alright you're a meta player. Look at how pro as fuck my scum game is. Like holy shit balls. My ONLY scum game. I replaced in. But serious. http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=84&t=27373

I'm proud of that game. Everything worked for me. Like everything. That's how I play as scum.

I'm not much of a meta player. Also I don't give a shit how pro you think your scum game is.

And this is just another deflection among many deflections you riddle your posts with.

"This is a meta heavy playerlist don't discredit it"
"I don't meta"

Are you kidding? Anyway the point was, this is how I play as town, if you want to see how I play as scum be my guest.

Still haven't answered my question. What does etc. mean? how is that in depth on why I'm scum? Why did you say you were going to ignore me, and now you're on my ass?

Etc. means more of your stupid Mislynch defense.
I've provided at least 6+ instances of you partaking in incredibly scummy behavior.

Bullshit. You have not provided HOW it's scummy.

Because it's both an appeal to fear and an attempt to discredit my ability to scumhunt.

How am I appealing to fear?

You discredit your ability to scumhunt on your own.

I don't see how pre-game joking around can, should, or would, have any influence over in-game play.

*Joking* riiight.

Yes, because I knew both of our alignments in the sign-up thread before roles were distributed.

And you're not trying to find out anyone else's alignment right now, why is that?

WHAT THE FUCK DOES ETC MEAN HOW DOES THAT MEAN IM SCUMMY

PEDIT: MAJIFFY DO YOU EVEN FUCKING REALIZE THAT YOURE GOING TO MAKE THE IC'S LIFE MISERABLE

ARE YOU READING?

I don't care if he's mod-confirmed town, that just means I don't have to read him.

But you should listen to him like town listened to you correct?

No, because he's clearly incompetent.

there's something called being nice and not chucking insults at every player, you should try it.

Jesus Christ shoot yourself with a high caliber pistol through the skull,

please.

Mod: Can we have this player removed for this comment. Thanks.

You know the old motto;
If you can't out-argue 'em, try to force-replace 'em!

I take suicide very seriously. That's crossing the line. If Mac had said it, or Morph I would have asked for their force-replace too.

"Wah, I can't take being emotionally unsettled in a game that relies on reading the emotional reactions of players around me!"

What I can't take is someone would want to push someone to kill themselves. I didn't even think this comment was directed to me. What I can't take is someone would would even tell someone to put a gun to their skull. You know how fucked up that is. I've had friends commit suicide due to online bullying, and I'm not going to let you tell ANYONE that. Or let ANYONE tell someone that. I take it seriously. Now then. If you would still like to make comments like these, please leave.

Patience my young padawan. I'm not as pissed off about to do stupid things right now. I have a rough draft saved of the claim though.

I look forward to disregarding your fakeclaim and lynching you anyway.

And then looking like a d-bag.

I'm a stickler for cases.

Yet you still haven't made a single refutation of mine, despite saying how bad it is.

Make a good argument then. You're arguments are riddled with jumping to conclusions and assuming shit. That's what makes them bad.

Your argument on bubba is consistent and effortful. I think there's potential for a lot of confbias there, so I was hesitant to hop on.

It feels like you got the scum tinglies, and then fit the evidence to that read. The gun post was absurdly inappropriate, but not alignment indicative. I think you're prob-town. Bubba leans scum for this.

Agree, don't know what confbias is.

I never said it was. Agree. Wtf.

Bubba literally just agreed that my argument on him was "consistent and effortful".

Fucking lol.[/spoiler]

It is. Consistently bad. And taking way too much of your effort.

Now to ISO's which I will put in spoilers.

[bubbajack8]

Spoiler: SXTLHGaiden

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=29901
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=32107
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=30676

I think this is it. I'll let you know if I find any more.

I like this. She asked what games they wanted, and she provided.

Ok, i am caught up, but i should probably re-read the last 15 pages (i won't say i skimmed posts but yeah...).

@Kaze: Merry christmas. New just completed scum game. http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=83&t=34556

She also continues providing.

And that's pretty much all she has.

Spoiler: Kagami

I'm consulting on top of my normal job this month, so work on that is on hold until further notice. I'm only really using my database to quickly find games of players who don't have wikis.

I like kaze in this game so far, though I admit to not having read the 17 pages especially thoroughly. It looks like almost entirely like fluff. The case on remembrance slot feels like it might be legit.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Rem-slot

kaze, can you summarize case on ufo for me?

I kind of don't like this. She says she hasn't read thouroghly, but still feels the case is legit.

She then keeps going on about the trust tell.

Words against Jaqen.

I really hate that scummy nom.

My incomplete assessment of the gamestate is that there are only a few lines of argument that make sense:

Mac on kagami: not enough content, can't deny that
Jaqen on morph: cadb slip
lush on bubba: Various minor tells, listed in 463
morph on Pie: Srs biz early posting nonsense
kise on rem: kise-tsukasa interaction

Of all these, my favorite by far is kise's point, which is both original and accurate. Now, whether or not it's indicative of rem's alignment is a different matter.

Rem is either legit invoking a trust tell (and yes, this is a trust tell), or she's using a false tell to push her towniness.

Hard to say which, but it makes kise very much town to me. Kise's response to my little flip-flop on rem is very nice, imo, making him a fairly strong townread to me.

still pushing trust tell.

Cadb says that town doesn't read the mod-post, but scum do. Then says to the group of people, many who seemed to have missed the IC announcement, "but you all missed it, shame on you." This doesn't make sense from town-frame, because if everyone there is town, then this is perfectly consistent with the first statement. He expresses surprise, though,

suggesting that he's observed that scum also have failed to read the mod-post.

Expresses concern that Morph could be scum, but also say that they could be town.

And then this.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Morph

It seems to me that they're trying to fit in.

Spoiler: Kazekirimaru

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=29901
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=32107
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=30676

I think this is it. I'll let you know if I find any more.

It is. I actually already meta'd you. I just wanted to see if you'd purposely leave any out. Thanks! ;D

Town as hell.

where's bork
is that you bork
get in here and duel me

There's stuff going on. You should talk about it.

>Past 7 votes is just small talk. and then saying this.

#250 is a nice post, get them back on track.

Commence thorough questioning of me - pretty town, just for the thoroughness.

Continues questioning others.

#519 is a good long post.

Just now noticing Jiffy is stealing arguments from him Nevertheless seems town, and I think Jiffy is town.

#552's opening comment is good (Asking if me and pie could be scumbros)

The ending calling Lush noise doesn't make sense though.

#655 is also a good post. I was going to ask what they thought of people after reading some of it, but they answered it in the end of the post.

I seem to have missed #741 and I apologize, I hope I answer your questions in this. Er it was posted just now nvm. Anyway Some of it's fluffy, the rest is pretty good.

Spoiler: Amaranth

Not here.

Spoiler: pieguyn

Everything up to ISO #7 is nothing.

Cabd what were you trying to accomplish with the metadive on UFO

Interesting question...

#365 is a good post! good questioning going on.

townblock: me, Kaze, Lush Life, bubbajack, Jaqen, Tsukasa

I would have liked reasons to this.

@Cabd:

are you all sure of Gaiden town? I wanna be sure he can't fake that opening as scum > <
why is Kaze town?
what's your thoughts on Kise?

@borkjiffymollie:

are you still having reservations about Kaze town?
what's your opinion on Kise?
why the vote on morph?

@Kaze:

same question about Gaiden. also, why is zmuffin town?

I like when people question.

#613 the amount of times the word explain is used is glorious.

#624 more questions.
Overall I like the questions. Once she got past early-game it turned nice

Spoiler: morph slot

Town as I've already said.

Spoiler: Lush Life

Town -_-

Spoiler: YuniChicako

Nothing to note

Spoiler: Tsukasa

Damn you guys move fast

VOTE: UFO

For being second hardest

Next to SA

Why wouldn't you vote the hardest? Hardest what?

Today has been a bad day, even my town role pm didn't cheer me up that much. I hope I'll feel better in the morning.

I don't feel so great with your PM claim.

IIRC you've done this quite a number of times. And almost certain you've always lied with this.

Links?

dram

and rem are both leaning scum

why?

One thing I hate are trust tells.
It kinda affects gameplay

or something.

And if the person is aware that he's using a trust tell, doesn't that mean that it can easily be faked?

I don't like this at all.

Near the end of the post it gets better.

Spoiler: Mac

yeah I'm reading as a go and making a mental note of reads, but that made me spit water out almost. Why would you consider that a townslip when it looks fake as fuck? And by fake as fuck, I mean it reads to me like a joke.

I can't believe I missed this.

pie's reads in #366 are meh but the lushlife one is especially shit about the townslip about IC (ill be fucked if i can remember their name) - kaze in his

TOWN BLOC

because he can't read him? hahahahaha

I can't read muffin usually so he's town!

Are you criticizing him for having Kaze in his town slot? Because if so. Wow the hypocrisy.

Vote: Kagami

Why?

What's up?

The severe lack of nothing in Kagami's ISO is alarming. I think the vote on Remembrance is bullshit given Rem can't defend himself. And poor, considering it doesn't really make sense.

There's my answer.

Vote: pieguy

Firstly, his town bloc was terrible.

for now, I'll townread Tsukasa. he's being proactive early and there's also a ton of defiance in his posts that I tend to attribute more to a town mindset. I especially noticed it here

I'll also townread Lush Life for being obvtown and legitimately townslipping re: Jaqen. also bubbajack for being proactive early. I'll also townread Kaze bc I can't read him for shit and I tend to pick up on a lot of shit from him and I get the feeling if he was scum he'd be more careful and I'd pick up less
morph's frustration re: mollie feels town but idk if they'd get frustrated as scum plus I'm paranoid as fuck about them for practically no reason =.=

townblock: me, Kaze, Lush Life, bubbajack, Jaqen, Tsukasa

I don't like the "for now" in the first post, because it looks to me like he's shaping up change his mind later on in the game, OR doesn't have confidence in his read. If it's the former, he's probably scum and if it's the latter, why the fuck is Tsu in his townbloc? Lush Life I wouldn't mind being in the townbloc - but he quotes the "townslip" which is totally bullshit because the townslip was

based on Cabd's perception of a slip

- not his own. Personally, I wouldn't consider it a slip in any game, but that's my view. pieguy doesn't express belief this is the case, he just goes with it.

Let's not get started on townreading Kaze because pie is... unable to form a read on him?

Second point is this

vote: morph

still not sure about the "slip" but oh well I'll bite for now

I mean I'm pretty sure pie is pretty fucking logical in games, yet this is what he comes up with? Not pushing his own reads, and pushing morph based on a slip he's not even sure about?

Yeah, right.

See bolded.

His first reason is terrible, (except the for now comment) the rest is ok.

The fact that Mac's committed some of this is concerning.

Spoiler: Remembrance slot

Mass experiment, please do:

@are you scum?
@ are you sure you're not scum?
@Are you town?
@ Are you sure you're not town?

Varsoon exempted, I don't want him to get banned again~

This was dumb yet clever.

Today has been a bad day,

even my town role pm

DIDNT

cheer me up that much. I hope I'll feel better in the morning.

No like.

Not much there though. The replace out and story involves they really were having a bad day.

Spoiler: Varsoon

Time travel, it is the year 2014.

@Lushlife what is it like?

VOTE: Varsoon

Ctrl+F: Varsoon
2 results: A vote on me and a joke about what I'm about to do
I'm town, confirming that now.
Also, OMGUS, BITCHES
VOTE: Remembrance-slot

Curious as to why you searched yourself...

Kaze, I feel like you're the only dude who knows I'm here so I'm gonna just chat with you and stuff.

I don't have any good reads. I haven't been giving this game much attention.

If I rolled scum, this wouldn't be a problem, since, y'know, this game can ramble on without me.

Pieguyn is not on the usual town ball. That's important to notice.
Then again, neither am I.

One of Lush Life, GCBC(previously morph), Kise, Pie, and zMuffin is scum, if not more. Just lynch that list and we'll be gold.

Easy fuckin' peasy.
VOTE: GoodCopBadCop

Why didn't you follow that order yourself.

Bolded and the I'm confirmed town

Nothing else

Spoiler: Messiah Complex

Before I get in to this one, I thought this was a player who hadn't posted the fact they have scares me.

And there's nothing of value.

Spoiler: dramonic

There's nothing of value.

Spoiler: UFO

I think Kaze is kinda townish due to early towny plays. Remembrance is null cuz not doing anything proving either way.

The only good post. The rest are just fluff and procrastination.

Spoiler: zmuffinman

pieguy scum, lush life town, gaiden town

For comparison.

Town = Gaiden, Lush hydra, maybe muffin too

Not Town = pie, Rem, maybe dram

take morph out of town reads, tsukasa out of not town reads and swap your name for mine, and this is basically where i'm at atm

Town = Gaiden, Lush hydra, maybe kaze too

Not Town = pie, Rem, maybe dram

Fluid. Still no reasons. would like to know what you think about the additions.

i know roughly where your reads stand. i don't know how you got those reads

Yeah muffinman, really.

ISO 25, and 26 actually give us something.

nothing else though

Spoiler: jaqen

IC

Spoiler: Katarina LeBlanc

Hah.

VOTE: Kise

Why?

Nothing really else except 689, and her comment with ad hom when she used ad-hom on me.

Spoiler: Action Dan

Not sure what I'm suppose to talk about...

He makes some nice points. I just wish he'd be here more.

Spoiler: Kise

186. I like.

I like clarifications.

why are you sheeping someone who hasn't explained their vote? also, why am I scum?

[/quote][/quote]
You prefaced your laziness earlier. I intended to pressure you anyway.

You weren't a scumread.

Wagons are fun and produce talk - well not really, not here. Looks like the fire was finally lit up under you but eh you're just asking questions. I like when people stand out.

No reason to unvote.

So you tell them your plan to pressure them, say they are not a scum read, and leave your vote?

480 and 481's softs

The rest is nothing.

Not sure why the above spoiler isn't working

So yeah I encourage you to read yours especially, and I encourage you to read everyone else's.

[bubbajack8]

Spoiler: Kise

186. I like.

I like clarifications.

why are you sheeping someone who hasn't explained their vote? also, why am I scum?

[/quote][/quote]
You prefaced your laziness earlier. I intended to pressure you anyway.

You weren't a scumread.

Wagons are fun and produce talk - well not really, not here. Looks like the fire was finally lit up under you but eh you're just asking questions. I like when people stand out.

No reason to unvote.

[/quote]

So you tell them your plan to pressure them, say they are not a scum read, and leave your vote?

480 and 481's softs

The rest is nothing.

Fixed the spoiler. The quote's messed up.

[bubbajack8]

I don't like some of your hypocrisy, and I did ask you some questions.

[bubbajack8]

Because You're saying I'm lying. How do you know I'm lying. It's baseless, and bullshit. You are ASSUMING I'm lying to paint me as scummy. Happy?

I'm not assuming shit. I've already proven that you lied, right there in that string of quotes.

No you didn't.

No. What's true is the alignment neutral aspect, and that I'm not the only one posting nothing. Where the hell you got I'm self concious about my alignment I don't even know.

Your continued reference of the alignment-neutral aspect, and being the person bringing it up with no relevant point attached to it except to say that it's alignment-neutral.

Others have brought it up. Read the game, tunnel less.

"This is a meta heavy playerlist don't discredit it"
"I don't meta"

Are you kidding? Anyway the point was, this is how I play as town, if you want to see how I play as scum be my guest.

I am not the entire playerlist.
I can acknowledge the strengths of many of the players in said playerlist without counting myself as one of them.
Also I note that you *CONTINUE* to deflect instead of address.

What do you want me to address?

How am I appealing to fear?

"Majiffy lynched me as town! He can't be trusted! Obviously he's going to lynch me as town again! I'm going to flip town!" = An appeal to fear.

I'm not trying to appeal to fear. I'm trying to appeal too what lack of better judgement you have.

And you're not trying to find out anyone else's alignment right now, why is that?

I've posted reads on close to half the playerlist by now.

So... Another lie by the bubbanator!

Spoiler: reads list from Majiffy

Sorry if I leave any out.

Vote Rem in 224 for "reasons already stated"

Morph vote in 307. Not sure who.

421 commence attack on bubba

Reads: Town
{morph, Kaze, Muffin, Jaqen thing}

Scum
{Remembrance, bubbajack, Kise, Kagami}

8/21 =/= half.

Continue vote bubba streak.

More Bubba

Me all the way to #485

Shoot yourself in the head comment, annnd back to bubba.

Bubba to #521

#732 back to bubba.

Bubba to #735

Great reads bro. Well done. Fuck off before I start to think you're scum. Because I don't and you're changing my opinion. And I don't like that.

there's something called being nice and not chucking insults at every player, you should try it.

Why?

To put it the nicest way I can. you're a dick.

What I can't take is someone would want to push someone to kill themselves. I didn't even think this comment was directed to me. What I can't take is someone would would even tell someone to put a gun to their skull. You know how fucked up that is. I've had friends commit suicide due to online bullying, and I'm not going to let you tell ANYONE that. Or let ANYONE tell someone that. I take it seriously. Now then. If you would still like to make comments like these, please leave.

I bet you think that everyone who listens to Eminem beats their girlfriends, starts packing heat and doing excessive drugs, too.

Mod: If you don't do something about him I swear to god I'm going to get replaced. He's making fun of me, my friends, and my family members that were affected by this, and I've had enough.

And then looking like a d-bag.

At least I don't look like an imbecile who can't grasp the basic tenets of this game and how it's played.

More of him being an ass to me.

Where are my jumped-to conclusions? Where are my assumptions? Why do you find them unfounded?
You've not answered any of this.

i said in the last post where you jumped to conclusions. Where you were assuming things and you said you had "proven it"

It is. Consistently bad. And taking way too much of your effort.

Did your mother help you out with that comeback?

I'm tired of this.

I don't like some of your hypocrisy, and I did ask you some questions.

Summarise them. I don't think I've been hypocritical either

Summary: In 464 you say "I can't read muffin usually so he's town!" Yet later when you're making a case on pie you say "Let's not get started on townreading Kaze because pie is... unable to form a read on him?"

also I hate everything in the above post

Me either. She jumped on the Kagami thing WAY too fast.

[bubbajack8]

Summary: In 464 you say "I can't read muffin usually so he's town!" Yet later when you're making a case on pie you say "Let's not get started on townreading Kaze because pie is... unable to form a read on him?"

Yeah, that was a joke. I thought this was evident from the post.

I wasn't sure. Thank you.

Dramonic: I'd like to see some reads please. And read my spoiler on you. Thanks.

[bubbajack8]

Well I did go through everybody. So I'm just going to order it from scum to town.Middle is realllly ifffy.

Town;
Jaq
Kaze
morph slot
Lush Life
Mac
pie
Gaiden
Rememberance slot
Messiah Complex
Action Dan
zmuffinman
dramonic
Katarina
UFO
Amaranth
YuniChicako
Kise
Varsoon
Tsukasa
kagami
Scum

Some of these are pretty fluid. The middle's really iffy especially with those not here, or those who haven't provided enough.

Tsukasa and Varsoon are about on the same level for me. I'd be more comfortable with a kagami lynch though.

Mac and down begins the middle where I had no clue where to place people, I did my best.

[bubbajack8]

Morph and Kaze could switch around.

Yuni and up are middles / don't know about my read. Tsukasa is borderline which is why they are replaceable with Varsoon.

[bubbajack8]

Tsukasa and Varsoon are about on the same level for me. I'd be more comfortable with a kagami lynch though.

I'm waffling like shit on Kagami; I think my other heads are both scumreading her though;

I do think that there is scum in the three quick votes on morph (muffin/kagami/pie which isn't reflected in the VC since they voted for the wrong player) but I'm not sure it's her and for a while I thought it was actually least likely to be her.

I have pie as a pretty high null / town read.

Muffin's in the middle, so I could definately agree with you on this one.

bubbajack

: we have a light town read on him and when I say light I mean it is super duper fragile and of course majiffy is scumreading him. I thought he was pure scum in that epic mafia game mala and I hydra-ed in and then he town-flailed and then I think we lynched the doc lolololol. his thinking does not make sense to a typical ms player but if you peek though the surface you can some real potential there and some srs skill developement. the only thing that is bugging me is his townread on us. I expected him to go hot and heavy with majiffy and do a 1v1 but tbh (and I know some people might not think so but comparatively speaking) other than asking that we get replaced it is pretty mild.

so unsure mebbe town.

Yeah I think it was fuzzy who was the doc. God that game.

The reason I have a town read on Majiffy is slightly because he is attacking me. Last time he did he was town. He also posted a picture he posted as town, last game. I mean it's all easily faked, but it's screams Majiffy town, then again i don't know what Majiffy scum would look like......

I'm pretty much done with replying to Majiffy. At this point we're going in circles and I'm getting aggravated.

Not sure how to respond to this post. But the post in general annoys me. It looks like a really good way to increase the in-game noise as well as try to look super productive. Both of these things are scummy. Perhaps I'm confbiasing now? Eh. Basically I disagree on Mac being hypocritical in some way and I dislike how you're not really taking a stance on the Rem slot.

I resolved with Mac, and
I've somewhat taken a stance on Rem.

Mod: If you don't do something about him I swear to god I'm going to get replaced. He's making fun of me, my friends, and my family members that were affected by this, and I've had enough.

Increase the peace in here. Too many fights about not-mafia in this game. Ugh.

Apologies.

This is the first time I can actually say without the merit of being the mod that this is gonna end with the town getting destroyed.

Are you scum?

I keep thinking you might be.

Why.

Also why is pie scum?

Tsukasa and Varsoon are about on the same level for me. I'd be more comfortable with a kagami lynch though.

What's wrong with Varsoon?

As in what's wrong with his lynch or how is he scummy?

[bubbajack8]

I have pie as a pretty high null / town read.

I wish you didn't, though.

You can always try to change my mind...

The reason I have a town read on Majiffy is slightly because he is attacking me. Last time he did he was town. He also posted a picture he posted as town, last game. I mean it's all easily faked, but it's screams Majiffy town, then again i don't know what Majiffy scum would look like......

I'm pretty much done with replying to Majiffy. At this point we're going in circles and I'm getting aggravated.

You're reading Jiffy as town because he's attacking you and as town he attacks you...

Yup. Pretty much.

I resolved with Mac, and
I've somewhat taken a stance on Rem.

That stance on Rem being?

Null. The spoiler on him states I had a problem with one of his post, but his replace out seems sincere.

As in what's wrong with his lynch or how is he scummy?

Why is Varsoon scummy?

Searching themselves, I don't see how that's towny?

Bolded in 694. I have a problem with.

Posts a lynch list, but doesn't really follow the order. Didn't like that.

Lots of "I'm confirmed town."

And he hasn't provided really anything besides that.

...

Spoiler: Kagami

I'm consulting on top of my normal job this month, so work on that is on hold until further notice. I'm only really using my database to quickly find games of players who don't have wikis.

I like kaze in this game so far, though I admit to not having read the 17 pages especially thoroughly. It looks like almost entirely like fluff. The case on remembrance slot feels like it might be legit.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Rem-slot

kaze, can you summarize case on ufo for me?

I kind of don't like this. She says she hasn't read thouroghly, but still feels the case is legit.

She then keeps going on about the trust tell.

Words against Jaqen.

I really hate that scummy nom.

My incomplete assessment of the gamestate is that there are only a few lines of argument that make sense:

Mac on kagami: not enough content, can't deny that
Jaqen on morph: cadb slip
lush on bubba: Various minor tells, listed in 463
morph on Pie: Srs biz early posting nonsense
kise on rem: kise-tsukasa interaction

Of all these, my favorite by far is kise's point, which is both original and accurate. Now, whether or not it's indicative of rem's alignment is a different matter.

Rem is either legit invoking a trust tell (and yes, this is a trust tell), or she's using a false tell to push her towniness.

Hard to say which, but it makes kise very much town to me. Kise's response to my little flip-flop on rem is very nice, imo, making him a fairly strong townread to me.

still pushing trust tell.

Cadb says that town doesn't read the mod-post, but scum do. Then says to the group of people, many who seemed to have missed the IC announcement, "but you all missed it, shame on you." This doesn't make sense from town-frame, because if everyone there is town, then this is perfectly consistent with the first statement. He expresses surprise, though,

suggesting that he's observed that scum also have failed to read the mod-post.

Expresses concern that Morph could be scum, but also say that they could be town.

And then this.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Morph

It seems to me that they're trying to fit in.

...

The trust tell remains one of the more solid things that has happened this game, and I like solid things. I really don't care if other people don't like that I'm calling it what it is. The question to my mind is only whether it's being invoked, or exploited.

It's not that I don't like what you're calling it, it's how long you're holding on to it...

In the post you quote, I don't call morph town at any point. You're misreading this to make a case.

The bolded to me felt like you had found town motivation. "He expresses surprise, though, suggesting that he's observed that scum also have failed to read the mod-post." That seemed to me like a "he might be town" to me.

i really dislike the pbpa bubba did in #750. there's so little analysis there; it reads like hollow commentary

As people have asked, I have included more analysis, and commentary. Mainly it's I don't like this because this.

If you want me to go further in depth on something I will.

Anyone scum-reading me but keeping me at a distance (lookin at you, bubbajackguy) should either commit or drop it. It's too scummy otherwise. No shit my play is bad, I've acknowledged that.

This post has some more in depth things about you.

The hardest is SA. There are no SA's in the game. UFO is the 2nd hardest touhou game. Murasa is enough to make me cry. Ichirin Even. HECK. Even kogasa

Ah okay.

Dram is a lurksack scum. He says shit, but quickly backs off when you answer him.
Remslot goes back to null for now

Have you played with dram before?

One thing I hate are trust tells.
It kinda affects gameplay

or something.

And if the person is aware that he's using a trust tell, doesn't that mean that it can easily be faked?

I don't like this at all.

How come? Did I say something awful? Should I stop saying it? Why don't you like me, senpai.
Please, notice me.
Please notice me senpai

The "or something" Why did you say or something, it's almost like sarcasm.

"It affects gameplay or something that makes me look like town"

[bubbajack8]

I have nothing nice to say to you Majiffy. You are circling your arguments and still being an asshole to me. I have responded to them. I'm not responding to them 4000 times.


The only thing I will respond to is the "scum defense"

I don't want you to change my mind and make me think you're scummy. It happens too often to me when I'm being attacked. I also don't want to vote you when I think you're town. Your other heads and previously mentioned items are the ONLY things keeping you in my town slot.

Null. The spoiler on him states I had a problem with one of his post, but his replace out seems sincere.

How is a replace out alignment-indicative? I still don't get this.

Because part of the reason I didn't like the post I quoted was it said his Town PM didn't improve his day. He made a story and replaced out, suggesting he really was having a bad day. Thus that post becomes null.

Searching themselves, I don't see how that's towny?

Bolded in 694. I have a problem with.

Posts a lynch list, but doesn't really follow the order. Didn't like that.

Lots of "I'm confirmed town."

And he hasn't provided really anything besides that.

None of those things have anything to do with alignment, except maybe the order thing. And that's meh.

Worrying about your self image isn't scummy? The first thing you do in a gmae is make sure no one's talking bad about you. That's not scummy?

[bubbajack8]

Your other heads and previously mentioned items are the ONLY things keeping you in my town slot.

This is interesting, considering the only stated reasons you've given for townreading our slot are

my

actions.

Seems a bit like you're trying to change your story.

No. You're being a dick. A town dick. Already stated. Read more.

And now you're attacking the IC, Jesus.

Jaqen: What are your thought on Kagami, tsukasa, and dramonic

[bubbajack8]

Jiffy Lush said I wasn't scum hunting. I promised him an ISO of everyone.

[bubbajack8]

@Varsoon you realize I'm ignoring that mouthpiece right?

Add to why Varsoon is scummy: Let's listen to the guy bubba's not on speaking terms with! Brilliant!

[bubbajack8]

@Varsoon you realize I'm ignoring that mouthpiece right?

Add to why Varsoon is scummy: Let's listen to the guy bubba's not on speaking terms with! Brilliant!

That doesn't even make sense.

he's saying that their lead guy should be Jiffy. I've stated I'm no longer on speaking terms to him. Jiffy's going to be throwing punches laced with ad-hom that I no longer care about.

Jaqen: What are your thought on Kagami, tsukasa, and dramonic

A man has said but will again

Kagami town
Su Casa scum
Dramonic is probably town, as much as that irks a man, but he is doing naught but complaining about irrelevancies

OH Su Casa means Tsukasa. (which I've been reading as chu suck ass uh.) Why are they scum?

@ GoodCop is BC beastcharzaird?

[bubbajack8]

Ah. Ok. I though I had seen you say who was who, but I couldn't remember.

In that case, what's your response to the IC's claim of a "slip"

[bubbajack8]

Trust a man when he says that was a legit cabd slip. It doesn't happen often and it's a real shame it isn't being acted on. What bothers a man the most about it is that if he's right, that implicates other well seasoned players because they would be more apt to skip over the opening posts because they're essentially the same most every game.

I'm serious right now.

[bubbajack8]

@Kaze: Pie wagon too easy. There's scum on it. Nuff said.

Holy shit, am I agreeing with Varsoon?

Varsoon: Who would you think that scum to be?

Ah. Ok. I though I had seen you say who was who, but I couldn't remember.

In that case, what's your response to the IC's claim of a "slip"

Have you been reading the game or have you just been using it to yell at Jiffy?

Have you not read anything I've posted. To ask if I've been reading is literally the dumbest thing ever. I couldn't remember who he said he was.

Varsoon: wtf happened.

@GCBC, were you scum in said game?

@bubba: calling varsoon scummy for liking majiffy's case is... pretty dumb? You re the one who doesn't want to talk to majiffy.

I clarified this already. I said asking Jiffy to lead on me is scummy since I've made it clear I'm not responding to him.

[bubbajack8]

@bubba: calling varsoon scummy for liking majiffy's case is... pretty dumb? You re the one who doesn't want to talk to majiffy.

I clarified this already. I said asking Jiffy to lead on me is scummy since I've made it clear I'm not responding to him.

Not responding to someone doesn't make them leading your case scummy. Heck, I should just say I won't respond to any of you and that makes you all scum by extension.

No it doesn't. I'm not saying it does. I'm saying that Varsoon TELLING Majiffy to lead it--- when I'm not RESPONDING to Majiffy is.

If Varsoon was leading it, it wouldn't be scummy... etc. Plus I think Lush is town -_-

also, bubba has not town flailed yet, that is actually the reason why I haven't gotten into a voting war with majiffy yet and he

has

made a couple of good points about bubbascum the only thing I can see bubba doing this as town too.

Like?

[bubbajack8]

Like?

clarification question: are you wanting to know what town flail looks like or what majiffy's couple of good points were?

Good points.

[bubbajack8]

majiffy and I are working things out. I am not going to push to move our vote until bubba starts town flailing, so far he kind of isn't. I feel like he has locked himself into a softclaim and will at some point have to deliver or be nked. <---- it really is as simple as that.

Deliver or be nightkilled? What?[/quote]

They are saying they think I'm softing a PR, and that's why I'm not town-flailing. But they're still gonna vote me

Holy shit Messiah's entrance.

Bubba, did you just RVS vote during your read through on page 1, when the rest of the game was on page 8? What the fuck are you doing? What would have happened if a flash wagon was going on Kase at the time you did that and you hammered without even knowing it?

Yeah I did. I fucked up so bad. Oh my gosh, if I hammered I would have felt like shit, that's why when I realized that it was my bad that I hadn't read everything I immediately unvoted.

Ic votes Varsson; Varsoon suddenly wants to play and provide reasoning. Greattt timing.


zmuffin's 1028 is town as hell.

@Kaze: Pie wagon too easy. There's scum on it. Nuff said.

Holy shit, am I agreeing with Varsoon?

hahaha, this post made me go and check what your read on pieguy is and i just realised you have him as town for... asking questions. also, most of the people voting pie are pretty high up on your town->scum scale, and varsoon's suspicions are like completely opposite to yours, so what exactly do you agree with varsoon about?

why do we have to be interacting for me to agree?

we don't, necessarily. but i don't remember you ever saying anything like that about my town game before and it stuck out as odd because you're more familiar with my scum game

That pie's wagon is too easy.

Most =/= All. Mollie also made a comment about the wagon I agreed with, it had one of my scum reads on it.

Katarina. You make me wonder. Come in with defence to tsukasa, and now you're defending Varsoon? Seriously? What do you think of pie? He's another major wagon, are you going to defend him to.

And hay gurl hay can we get some more votes on Bubba up in here? It's gotten to the point where even Mollie's vehement denial of BubbaScum is wearing thin.

We need to be lynching this obvscumbutt and you'll all thank me later for it.

Or despise you. (:

I'm getting to your Bubba points later, but I am pretty sure Varsoon flips scum over Bubba.

~GC

I'm with him.

That's great but I'm not giving up my Bubba lynch without a very loud, very spam-heavy fight.

Funny most of it seemed ad-hom to me, and so I'm *ignoring you*

How this conversation is going to go:

Hey Jiffy did you read my refutation of those.
Hey bubba didn't you see me tell you those weren't refutations and bring up more BS with ad-hom
Hey Jiffy, those were refutations try being nice
Hey bubba go fuck yourself
Hey Jiffy I'm still ignoring you

And that's why I'm not having it (:

[bubbajack8]

@Majiffy you just proved why I won't talk to you. More ad-hom, and general douchebaggery. -_-

xyz were utter bullshit. I said they had no basis. One thing you tried to "prove" I was lying. Prove and assume are 2 different words. Now then please if you have nothing nice to say --- which you don't --- shut the fuck up.

@Kaze: You realize me and Varsoon's wagons are about the same right? how is varsoon's not a counter.

By the way. totally jumping on that train. VOTE: Varsoon

[bubbajack8]

Oh what lulz.

I've said Varsoon is a scum read. Maybe if you read instead of tunneled you see that.

Also what if all 3 of those wagons are town?

[bubbajack8]

Yuni already said she town-real Varsoon and pie.

Messiah is still reading.

Varsoon is voting.

Jaqen is convinced on GC_BC

Read more. (:

[bubbajack8]

But I'll keep this in mind when Bubba flips scum, considering you're sitting with your vote on Bubba, having offered no reasoning, and seemingly just sheeping me when I made a call-to-vote.

Won't it be MORE concerning when I flip town.

@Mod: Uh Varsoon's vote is in 2 places...

---

Fixed
~Mod

[bubbajack8]

UNVOTE:

@Desp: Other people have said those exact words "My play is my play" What differentes me from them

[bubbajack8]

LUSH FUCK YOU. YOU'VE SAID 100 TIMES IM SOFTING A PR, AND KATARINA CAUGHT ON

If I were to pick between who to lynch between you and bubba, I would lynch him. Why? because his replies suck and from his 3rd post in the game he looked scummy.

VOTE: katarina

I crumbed my role here (backwards)

If this is Majiffy I'm gonna hate myself.

It's

b

ork.

^ 4th post: Not importance of strikethrough of Majiffy, and bork's name. I think it ended up being Majiffy, but it worked for crumbing.

Want ones i've replaced out of as well?

Last post I read. I have no clue where I posted

m

y vote... UNVOTE:

There's more then

one

page re-reading.

^ 2nd post: Note importance of the word one. I had only read the first page; but it's a part of my abilities. Also note "my vote"; I had it down as "I haven't read anything past page 1 oops Unvote" But I needed to get an m in.

I really did accidently vote.

I'm not a fan of meta. Too

b

ig a playerlist to meta everyone anyway.

VOTE: Kaze

^first post. I could have said something like There are too many players to meta everyone, or this is a large game. I chose my words. I still did accidentally vote without reading.

Now I know there's going to be players who doubt I'm a one-shot bomb from this; to this I say I thought about you!

I consisted it in one post.

majiffy and I are working things out. I am not going to push to move our vote until bubba starts town flailing, so far he kind of isn't. I feel like he has locked himself into a softclaim and will at some point have to deliver or be nked. <---- it really is as simple as that.

Deliver or be nightkilled? What?

I fucked up the quotes here...

They are saying they think

I'm softing a PR,

and that's why I'm not town-flailing.

But they're still gonna vote me

Bubba, did you just RVS vote during your read through on page 1, when the rest of the game was on page 8? What the fuck are you doing? What would have happened if a flash wagon was going on Kase at the time you did that and you hammered without even knowing it?

Yeah I did. I fucked up so

bad. Oh

my gosh, if I hammered I would have felt like shit, that's why when I realized that it was

my bad

that I hadn't read everything I immediately unvoted. [/quote]

Here I was a little upset with Lush's vote on me since they thought I was a PR.

I also was meticulous about my answer to Messiah. I did mess up. Added Oh my gosh. Words my bad. I made sure to put the letters next to each other.

But I'm sure their's still going to be doubters. And those doubters are fucking retarded as hell and will be shown that in due time.

I also said I was messaging the mod. That was too ask if I could post the PM image; they said no.

I'm Utsuho Reiuji

Spoiler: Image that I CAN post

Now then; maybe they caught on, maybe they didn't but Varsoon; What's your character name hmmm?

And back to katarina; my first 2 posts were about an accident, and my third was a wall what the hell.

i would have preferred to be the night kill as Lush suggested, but he's stubborn despite my remarks.

[bubbajack8]

Fuck my quotes fucking up. -_-

[bubbajack8]

Fuck this game.

[bubbajack8]

Oh, damn. Gaiden's doing that thing he does again. Nevermind.

Wagon him anyway to

b

e safe.

I can't argue with that logic. Would you believe me if i say that i'm actually a nameless fairy?

Gah. Why d

o

you do this?

The lame thing is I know you know I've seen you do this as town before. I really am not a fan.

For lolz mostly. My next character was gonna be "Bullet with deceptively small hit box"

Do you have any completed scu

m

games?

If so can you list em?

If you wish to, I'd

b

e no less appreciative.

I can do that, too.

Mine were more deliberate. I tried not to use second letters; and I didn't. I did have words later in posts, but as with the Majiffy one, it was deliberate.

But I'm not scum.
Oh fuck you
My bad
Bitch get out

Is a bit too obvious. That's also why I did it backwards. The second crumb was for naysayers like you (:

[bubbajack8]

@Lush - No you are forcing PRs to out where the fuck is calm in that.

Varsoon my comment stands, deliver.

[bubbajack8]

part of what is confusing is I have been given the role of "bomb" when really it was supersaint or a suicidal day vig. <----so there is that. but site meta argues against it even tho bubba has come from a different site

? My role PM specifically says 1 shot bomb. Are you saying you were given bomb? I'm confused.

Me and Yeong / Gif come from the same site.... sooo. (:

bubba those aren't crumbs

they look like something you have pulled out of your butt

They are crumbs. I gave commentary to how and why they were they way, they were done purposefully, and specifically so scum would catch on. Katarina's comment and vote gave me the idea that scum DID catch it.

.. what makes those letters different?

It's not specifically the letter; it's the word. Read the fucking commentary.

I've been voting morph-slot, not rem-slot

That's a breadcrumb? What's the point of a breadcrumb like that?

I don't understand this at all. A bomb is incredibly powerful, and you were in no immediate danger of a lynch; why would you claim that? Even if you were in danger, why would you crumb and claim bomb rather than something that would draw the nightkill?

Interesting point.

1. So scum would catch on, I was worried it would be too obvious with a

But I'm not
On the contrary
My vote
Bubba is not scum

approach, so I did it backwards. I made the words important, and interchangeable.

I wasn't in immediate danger no, this is true.

Why didn't I claim something else; Well I didn't crumb something else for one. I didn't think about it until it was too late. I have no information for a fake claim. I have no clue what I would claim etc.

Why didn't you just try to be the nightkill? I tried. Lush is stubborn as fuck and wouldn't get off. That made me lynchbait, lynchbait doesn't die at night. So I became fucked.

I really can't wait for Varsoon to come in here.

[bubbajack8]

What's the difference between a bomb and a 1-shot bomb?

I choose when to arm myself.

all "bomb"s involve you dying. There's no way yukari would add "one-shot" to it.

She did. Suck it. I arm myself.

[bubbajack8]

I don't think it's fake =\

A man thinks its fake and volunteers to hammer.

Lush I regret everything I've said about you being mean to the IC.

You're going to need a wagon for that.

The only skepticism I have for the claim is that it's an

incredibly swingy role.

It's very easy to imagine that he could have set up a strong fake-claim that would draw the nightkill, and the

setup reviewers would have to have been wary about it.

?

[bubbajack8]

Swingy roles like that are generally bad mojo. If you had come out with a believable fake-claim that would draw the night-kill, then you'd have killed a scum. That's very powerful. Instead, it will be useless. The balance of the setup in large part would depend on the use of this role.

@GCBC: I am presently playing with nati.

I meant for your definition of swingy. I already acknowledged this as well.

Alright I'm off to bad. Tired of waiting for Varsoon.

P:Edit; Kaze trying to push the definition of 1-shot when I've been told to shh on that.

"that's -2 townies" ? My point was to hammer, you need a wagon.

VOTE: Kaze

[bubbajack8]

Not liking Varsoon's response to my posts.

but Varsoon; What's your character name hmmm?

Hey I just woke up. Gonna do stuff because I know exactly what to say regarding the claim of bubba and

possibly Kagami.

You little fish.

What I see in your claim is

"I purposely acted like a good target so that I can bait out their night action because I'm a bomb HAHA"

Uh what?? Where the hell are you delusional enough to see that. I never said any of that in the claim. I was asked why I didn't claim something else, or try to draw the night kill, and I delivered.

We have a

one-shot

redirect claim and a

one-shot

bomb claim. I'd very much like to know if my theory is accurate.

And what's that?

LUSH FUCK YOU. YOU'VE SAID 100 TIMES IM SOFTING A PR, AND KATARINA CAUGHT ON.

Um, what?

Lush softed they thought I was a PR 100 times, you come in and say you don't like me AFTER my first 3 posts.

Considering my finished claim was at my FOURTH post I freaked the fuck out.

VOTE: Tsukasa

I'm having problems with Varsoon's claim right now, especially when he flat out ignored my question, and you come in and say he's town; while yet saying my crumb is bad.

I don't care how many times I used said letter. For 1 I had to start a word with it. For 2 - That word had to mean something, or be interchangeable.

Scum: Tsukasa, Varsoon (Katarina?) (Kaze?)

Holy shit Lush; You are fucking awful at this game. I asked the mod if I could post the picture she sent because it has a much more bomb feel to it. I don't know who Touhou characters are.

Is a bomb claim a good EM fakleclaim? Yeah, but a cop etc. is better.

Also you peole need to quit trying to push me explaining what 1 shot means. It's starting to piss me off. Someone is this thread said not to talk about it. TRYING TO GET IT OUT OF ME IS SCUMMY AS FUCK.

I crumbed my role here

pausing my read-through to say this is the single greatest role claim i've ever read, kudos to you regardless of your alignment

one problem is i feel you almost made your crumbing

too

obvious

Dafuq.

Lynch me. Do it, I'm useless at this point since I've claimed, and it's going to help find scum. So fucking do it

@Lush: Another EM character is fool

[bubbajack8]

...
Looked up Bubba's claim. The character fits an enabler of some sort, or possibly a vig based on the gun-arm. Certainly not a bomb.

Plus the bomb claim fits into the narrative of EM-player fakeclaims, since bomb is a fairly reliable fakeclaim for scum, as it doesn't take any action and also can't safely be vigged to be sure.

Add to that the incredibly shoddy "breadcrumbs" and we've got a scum fakeclaiming very poorly.
...

Bomb would actually be a very fitting role for okuu, but the breadcrumbs aren't real, obviously; no one would breadcrumb bomb. I don't think that's what is going on here.

Ohohoho. When I flip. I'm just going to quote this post.... xD

I still have no clue what a PGO is...

I have no clue what TouHou is, but fuck it zmuffinman's words make me say it. I have a nuclear rod. That's how I arm myself. It's length will forever be a mystery oOoOoOoooo

[bubbajack8]

I see Varsoon is still voting Bulba even though they both claimed early.

weak sauce

Varsoon STILL hasn't answered my question. And he completely avoided it. Makes me think he's scum.

[bubbajack8]

I QUOTED IT FOR YOU VARSOON. YOU SCUM ASS.

VOTE: Varsoon

[bubbajack8]

Not liking Varsoon's response to my posts.

but Varsoon; What's your character name hmmm?

Not liking Varsoon's response to my posts.

but Varsoon; What's your character name hmmm?

Not liking Varsoon's response to my posts.

but Varsoon; What's your character name hmmm?

Not liking Varsoon's response to my posts.

but Varsoon; What's your character name hmmm?

Not liking Varsoon's response to my posts.

but Varsoon; What's your character name hmmm?

[bubbajack8]

I said it in my claim, Bubba.
Tewi Inabi.

Did I miss it? And it's spelled Inaba, according to Google.

I'm one-shot redirector, Tewi Inabi, of the Good Girls.

Wow I'm a complete dumbass.

UNVOTE:

White Rabbit of good fortune... Interesting

But why would someone actually claim a bomb like that? They wouldn't.

Add to post upon flip

[bubbajack8]

Policy lynch Lush so we don't have to interact with them?

[bubbajack8]

Can we lynch Kise slot after?

stop

#1379: I laughed my ass off at this. Where was this when Majiffy was attacking me? How can you prove they are lying?

Varsoon: I love "Why is this scummy" and "why is this wrong" I skimmed over a majority of it, because I have an appointment but it was nice.

#1399 is town.

[bubbajack8]

Varsoon I finally read through it.

I didn't catch your references either..

"assumed that I was insulting him"

If you don't get the references it looks like you are, especially the painting one. And you admit they are "little-known" references. So why would you use a little know reference that is probably going to be taken as an insult?

But you've both "insulted" each other, like him saying you are using big words words without knowing the meaning. Which you have clearly demonstrated as untrue.

Overall I don't know what to think. I don't think GC_BC Is scum, and you've convinved me you aren't now--- despite my flip-flops.

[bubbajack8]

That awkward moment when I think all 3 of those slots are town.

[bubbajack8]

inb4 GCBC says because you 'think' they're town, and you don't 'know' you're town, it's a scumslip

Lol because know all 3 is better.

@GC_BC that was obviously a joke. He wasn't insulting you. Jeez guys.

Specific to this game, if the deadline is over before majority hits, the day will end with a plurality lynch.

Maybe I'm an idiot, but when I see plural I think multiple, does this mean the one with the most votes is lynched, or that multiple people are lynched? If the latter how many is multiple? If other explain.

@zmuffin- I think scum is in the background. Votes someone not really in the background. dafuq bro? And who do you suggest is in the background?

Ohhh mollie, you know I want dem townpoints, but you're going to have to explain how their catchup readup is scummy due to your brains being alike.

[bubbajack8]

Holy Shit "You failed to read me in ___" Mollie... Is there an instance/s where you read them correctly?

Mollieee you didn't answer my question!

@GC_BC that was obviously a joke. He wasn't insulting you. Jeez guys.

Kinda felt like an insult to me, not to mention he said he was done with us? Which I believe you said was a town post?

~GC

I'm sorry you feel that way. I did. It was.

A man will give you a straight answer bubba, since the scumz are fucking with you and using a horrid example to claim Plurality on. A boy is trying to implicate Kaze based off the "we" in his post which by the definition of the Plurality Tell means that he is more than just himself, e.g. on team scum with partners (thus "we"). Kaze may well be scum, but that has to be the weakest example of the Plurality Tell a man has ever seen a bad boy put forward.

The definition he gave you is for majority lynch.

Didn't understand anything until the definition, yeah that's what it sounded like, I'm reading the wiki article someone posted.

A man just explained what he thinks the team scum strategy is.

How would the scum team develop a strategy unless they had daytalk?

[bubbajack8]

Refers to the largest number of votes to be received by any candidate (or any proposal in a referendum). It is contrasted with an absolute majority, or simple majority, which is more than half of the votes.

Basically EM voting. Thanks!

[bubbajack8]

Bubba, Mollie barely knows me and I doubt her ability to read me. I used a game we recently had together as an example.

I saw. I asked her a question. She has 2 unanswered questions from me.

I'm sorry you feel that way. I did. It was.

He said he wouldn't respond to me about anything and yet is willing to talk about me in a condescending way. Why do you think its town?

~GC

Trying to trap me to a scum read? Really?

1. It was a joke.
2. I don't scum read what look like jokes to me.

[bubbajack8]

TLDR; Because Mollie said so.

[bubbajack8]

what were your questions specifically to me bubba

Mollie... Is there an instance/s where you read them correctly?

Ohhh mollie, you know I want dem townpoints, but you're going to have to explain how their catchup readup is scummy due to your brains being alike.

[bubbajack8]

Pie, you're mason encryptor with a partner? Have you asked if you partner is an encryptor? Where have you crumbed your role?

[bubbajack8]

I really hate day vig shoot gambits mebbe cos I have fallen for them twice.

right now I am trying to figure out if the scumteam decided to come up with the most improbable safeclaims.

in other newz messiah continues to bathe with scumsoap and somehow people are ignoring this. it boggles the mind.

I quoted my questions for you ):

Might as well vote for town Cabd.

VOTE: Varsoon

~GC

Jesus those slips
VOTE: GC_BC

His quote actually says scum...? Why did you change it to town? How is it a slip?

[bubbajack8]

[bubbajack8]

Either Messiah's town, or he's appealing to me.... Shit.

The lack of Mollie's answers to my questions make me lean town though.

[bubbajack8]

Mollie, do you really see scum-messiah feeling rejected by you, and then reaching out to me instead; when you're not being shy that you still scumread me at the moment? I'm kinda wondering.

Desp or fish, why does desp think my being upset at the mollie-ffery break sounds fake?

I am not reading you. you torched that bridge. you did that by adding gasoline to mine and fery's longtime mafia thing which apparently is always slow burning. I thought we had worked things out!

messiah

are

scum and it would probably be best for you to come around to that idea so that you do not get mislynched later in the game if it would indeed be a mislynch.

Is. I'm going to assume you meant are due to the heads, but it's one slot. I'm not going to attack this as a slip either...

I'm not buying Gaiden's argument at ALL.

Saki replaces YuniChikako effective immediately.

OH HELL NO.

VOTE: Gaiden

[bubbajack8]

"i don't know how to scumhunt"

[bubbajack8]

what have you done that you classify as scumhunting in this game?

[bubbajack8]

Precisely.

[bubbajack8]

But I feel like my votes not doing anything either.

I'm pretty sure I was the biggest wagon, and this is a plurality lynch game.

[bubbajack8]

@Serene: Once Kaze is dead you'll let me get my varsoon lynch right

I won't be leaving this game through lynch, I assure you of that.

Dafuq bro.

[bubbajack8]

I say we lynch that shit. We get a confirm.

[bubbajack8]

Or a scum flip.

[bubbajack8]

I saw that.

Why did you say it then?

[bubbajack8]

I call Bullshit.

[bubbajack8]

Is it just me, or is bubba just fishing for reasons to vote people?

Is it just me or have you failed to "scumhunt" still.

[bubbajack8]

OH HELL NO.

Go fuck yourself.

Feeling is mutual.

@Lush: the current wagon that has more then 2 people on it is GC_BC, what do you think of them?

[bubbajack8]

Are we done with our vanity 2-person wagons now? Can we stop disassembling wagons and go back to our bubba wagon? Thanks.

VOTE: Bubba

Says the person who just amde a two person wagon (;

People we had a Bubba wagon. We can have a Bubba wagon again. Bubba is fucking obvscum up in this beyotch.

:faceplam:

I remeber someone saying Varsoon wiggles as scum.... Him talking about wiggling is blegh.

Shut the fuck up and vote Bubba.

Because, frankly, the only other wagon going through today is you, and I think we'd both rather that not happen.

Why do you hate me?

Anyone who thinks I'm town is automatically scum in Majiffy's eyes.

[bubbajack8]

Conf-Bias much?

[bubbajack8]

{Kagami, Saki, Katarina LaBlanc}

Scum right there. Just watch.

"as Jiffy says the vanity wagons need to stop"

I'm sorry but didn't Jiffy just START a wagon?

[bubbajack8]

And how do you suggest you do that considering it's day?

[bubbajack8]

Part of me wants to just clear the bomb claim here and now instead of at day before LYLO but meh.

I'm down if you're down.

In fact...

@Mod: Theoretically, if a bomb dies via plurality lynch, would it still go off?

I can answer that. No, because I haven't armed myself. Once I've armed myself,

I don't know.

Apparently not. You know, we should lynch me, that way if there is a vig or something they don't try to fucking kill me. That would end bad. I'm dead serious, if we get down to deadline, and I'm pretty high up there, or tied, I'll vote myself.

[bubbajack8]

You know, we should lynch me, that way if there is a vig or something they don't try to fucking kill me

if you were town, you could just, you know,

not arm yourself

I'll think about it.

[bubbajack8]

EBWOP: I'll think about it, why do you care? do you want to kill me?

[bubbajack8]

I've found some shit Varsoon's done scummy. But I've also found some stuff ridiculously town. I'm not getting on this one.

Kagami makes another useless post. Kagami comes back with a good post, and good idea COUNTERWAGON HO.

I would accept gaiden as an agreeable counterwagon unless he steps it the fuck up in the next 24 hours. I'd also accept serene (just to see kuribo yell) and Kise. Forming updated reads lists and answering mollie's posts.

Down with this or Kise after his comment.

Wait. Kise claims GC_BC crumbed stump. Like I can't get out of this. Why in the actual fuck would you say anything like that, why are you looking for crumbs?

VOTE: Kise

Uh oh he's having a hissy fit. I hope I didn't make his crumb look more pointless than it already was. Now he'll never send me an e-card for my birthday.

If it was pointless why the duck would you bring attention to it?

First let us look at his nice "summary post 750". He further elaborates on this with a "town scale 785".
Now, let us look through the summary post. A quick view will note that he never actually mentions who he thinks is scum. Only people who he believes are town. Yet, when he has his list, we can see player who he has clearly labeled as scum. A particularly fun thing to note is how in the post, it is implied that he "dislikes" mac's posts, yet in the town scale post, mac near the top of the "town" part. With some investigating, all I can see that would change his mind is when mac told him that one of the quoted posts was a "joke."

"implies I dislike Mac" I asked Mac some questions and said he had some hypocrisy, I never said or implied I disliked him. Misrep muh? 754 I talked to him a little. His responses obviously impacted the read. AND I said in the reads post "Mac and down begins the middle where I had no clue where to place people, I did my best." Misrep more.

The point I'm getting at is that the entire thing was extremely non-committal aside from all the town reads, and yet, he has a very clear view on who is scum as we can see in post 786.
Actually, upon rereading some of them, they do seem consistent. The Varsoon read still feels off since he doesn't have much on him in the summary post.

Wasn't much to go off of. Him searching himself pinged for me though. Pretty sure I already explained this as well. I also think he's town now.

Now then, we now see that his first actual vote occurs on post 1092. The reasoning was something like "since the only wagons right now are varsoon and bubba". He defends the vote with "varsoon was one of my scum reads anyway" (things in quote are not exact quotes). I'm pretty sure someone mentioned that he voted the varsoon counter wagon when faced with his own wagon. It seemed to me like a self-preservation vote more than anything else. He unvotes immediately after the claim though. I would think that if he really had a scum read on varsoon, the claim wouldn't quell it that fast. I could be wrong though.

I never even said anything of the sort wtf? "@Kaze: You realize me and Varsoon's wagons are about the same right? how is varsoon's not a counter. By the way. totally jumping on that train." Was what I said. Misrep me again. He was a small scumread due to the searching himself as I just explained. His clai made me unvote, as I'm not going to risk anything. He also provided answers to my questions when I was derping.

His next vote is the infamous "crumb post 1201". Here he votes Kat with the reasoning "You saw my early bomb crumb and said i looked scummy". This to me seems really like grasping at straws.

Vote lasts all of 69 posts where he then decided to vote Kaze in post 1271. The reasoning here is "he is inquiring what '1-shot bomb' means when GCBC said not to!"

Both things scum would do. If kat saw my crumb she would realize what I was, and say I was scummy. And I also provided in that post what my first three posts were, and that I didn't understand how that was scummy. Kaze was making inquiries that would not come from town.

Moving on, next vote is in post 1309 where he votes tsukasa. Honestly, I can't find a reason he voted her. He just labels her as scum and moves on. Then again,

this is still consistent with the "read list" posted in 785,

but still.

Bolded. This is a read that did not change. But yet I'm non-committal.

His next vote is in post 1352 on varsoon in order to get varsoon to "reveal" his already claimed character name. I find this odd since it was implied he had read the claim post with all the claim information. Still feels like vote reason fishing though. He unvote really quickly though saying "I can't believe i missed it."

He wouldn't answer my question. I legitimately missed it.

Next vote is on Gaiden in post 1801 where he votes for the reason "I call bullshit that you can't scumhunt!" Honestly, this seems more valid to me that some of the other reasons he had voted.

At least you're trying now. Even with all your mis-reps.

That is it for his votes, but we then have in post 1872 where he introduces the idea of voting Kaze in response to kaze claiming that he was "not leaving this game through a lynch." And here is where i said that it looks like he was fishing for a vote reason. He later quotes my claim saying that I am not scum hunting. I can only assume this is an attempt to discredit my claim. Luckily for me, two other people noticed the post.

My response was the fact that I was scum hunting, and you were not.

I'm glad you're trying now, but if you're going to attack me, get your facts straight and don't misrep me. Don't put words into my mouth. I'm glad you're at least being consistent now with you're "bubba's fishing for reasons" But really the early blantant mis-reps destroy that.

By the way.. what do you think of my Kise vote? Is that "socially acceptable" do you think my reason for it is okay? Or am I "fishing for a reason" to vote him?

Also if I'm fishing for a reason to vote people, why do I want those certain people dead? (Varsoon, Kaze)

@Lush: Why not Zoidberg?

[bubbajack8]

You buy bubba's crumb?

Yes
It's so completely fucking stupid, I don't think he'd have been able to not claim scum if he actually was.

The crumb is fake.

Wow Chamber of Kittens reread Varsoon in 40 minutes!

[bubbajack8]

the facepalm is not directed to you btw. That's all for Kagami.

Then perhaps you can in depth explain the vote?

[bubbajack8]

I'm still waiting on Chambers of Kittens to give me that in depth reason to their vote. Since they both discussed it, and I assume agreed upon it.

[bubbajack8]

I'm not asking questions anymore. This game just became a cluster-fuck.

[bubbajack8]

Yeong is always proud of whydoieventry.

[bubbajack8]

VOTE: Gaiden

[bubbajack8]

You're dumb.

[bubbajack8]

Whoever wants this Action Dan lynch is *obviously* partners with Gaiden.

[bubbajack8]

i think i hate you guys

I haven't changed my vote (:

15 minutes. I'll be here for all of them, so sell me.

I think they're trying to sell a lynch on you!

[bubbajack8]

Varsoon: Plurality lynch, why is your lynch more beneficial then anyone elses.

[bubbajack8]

i think i hate you guys

I haven't changed my vote (:

15 minutes. I'll be here for all of them, so sell me.

I think they're trying to sell a lynch on you!

Yes, a mod confirmed IC is scum. You must be Moon Boy?

They = collective town. Not scum. I wasn't accusing you of scum. I'm not THAT dumb.

[bubbajack8]

Aaand two minutes.

1

[bubbajack8]

Annnd deadline.

[bubbajack8]

Anyway, for serious, I'm spent and busy.
If I'm not around, don't let the jerkbutts trick you into lynching me.

I tried to kill you N1, GCBC. Didn't work.

How is GCBC confirmed?

Who did you re-direct? Given I'm unlimited bulletproof, whoever you re-directed is confirmed to not have made the nightkill last night.

I would like to add somethings to this.

1. There were 2 kills, implying scum and SK.
2. Why would mafia want to kill Jaqen when most people aren't listening to him anyway?
3. I really don't like the Oh you tried to kill me? I'm unlimited BP! HA!

Pie, if you ever learn anything from me, it's that claims don't mean anything.

If I was scum an an ally of mine was an encryptor, it'd make plenty of sense for me to claim town encryptor/whatever. That way, when my buddy flips before me, I get conf-town status because a bunch of rubes believe in claims more than play.

This like a mofo

Woah Dram don't be calling my best friend a schizo

Not gonna say "best friends" but seriously. There aren't schizo. All 3 payers have very different playstyles and it results in a hydra dissonance.

You could've had a full page of my metamorphosis.
Now I'm just a Varsoon.
Deal with it.

I choked laughing.

I was reading on mobile before so I'm skipping back then I'll go back forward.

NO

WRONG

THE PERSON WHO STARTED SAID DAN WAGON IS A FLIPPED MASON

AND THE PERSON WHO FOLLOWED SUIT IS ME

YOUR STATEMENT IS ENTIRELY AND UNEQUIVOCALLY FALSE

Did you just try to meta clear yourself?
Besides that, I still like an ActionDan lynch.

OK back to where I was

Alright that was most certainly a vig kill or like scum extra kill idk man.

holy fucking shit

wow I was right Katarina really is the SK

lynch or leash?

My thoughts on that post EXACTLY.

Nevermind it was redirector I'm silly. Though I swear I saw an encryptor claim somewhere in this game.

pieguyn is Mason encryptor I believe.

You asked guy in freezer stuff about the setup that isn't public,, and you expect us to believe he answered?

Oh well, I'm pretty much useless now considering I've used my power up.

Oracle, modified whatever to make it that I can ask the host any question regarding the game. Only answerable with yes or no, and can't ask questions based on alignment.

I figured either me or Kaze were gonna die tomorrow considering we were early on the Gaiden wagon so I used the question up on something non-original. I enjoy how everyone dropped obvious reads to pursue this, expected more from GCBC tbh.

wut. Lol.

I think the Oracle claim is -really- convenient. I'm pretty distrustful of claims in general.

I agree.

Let's lynch her while she's gone-

It worked last time!

VOTE: ActionDan <----- This is where it's at.

[bubbajack8]

As in Lush?

[bubbajack8]

That's a good point. It used to say

*The flavor is unrelated to the setup*

Patchouli Knowledge (who's with Jaqen Hghar) is now

mod-confirmed town

with one less life

.

Now it says...

*The characters used in the flavor is not related to the existence of the character in actual setup*

[bubbajack8]

anyway, it doesn't really matter. Let's lynch dram or the CoK

Why not AD?

[bubbajack8]

if the above is roughly correct, we have:

one or two scum in {kise, amaranth, tsukasa}, maybe one in {bubba, muffin, messiah, saki}, two in {AD, dram, mac, CoK}. I'm far happier shooting into the third barrel rather than the second, though the first barrel looks somewhat attractive too.

If there's an SK, it has to be kat, but otherwise she's town. Pie is town because non-town pie would have been CC'd, (no idea why anyone is entertaining that possibility).

nvm I didn't get a new post notification.

[bubbajack8]

CoK is not a good girl

orly?

[bubbajack8]

Are you claiming before your impending wagon?

[bubbajack8]

I'm probably going to step away from the hydra for a while. I'm a bit bummed at pretty much all of my reads being wrong so I'm just going to let Bork and Mollie play for a while.

*cough* tooold you so *cough*

[bubbajack8]

@Saki:

Edit:
In a plurality lynch, generally, the person who first reached the highest vote count would be lynched. So, if tied at L3, whoever was at L3 first

wins

gets lynched.[/color]

[bubbajack8]

Maybe I should've thought my question through.. I'm sorry.

Yes, even "is bubba a bomb" would have been a better question, imo.

Oracle, modified whatever to make it that I can ask the host any question regarding the game. Only answerable with yes or no, and can't ask questions based on alignment.

[bubbajack8]

I'm sorry have you heard of a scum bomb? To me that question is alignment indicative.

[bubbajack8]

As a mod: That question would mess me up. The key word in what Katarina said is "based on alignment". Both those questions to me are still trying to get at a players alignment.

If she could have asked it she should have. That would clear me, and would make scum want to kill me. So that would've been a good question had she been able to ask it.

P:edit: read this post. I'm fucking bomb.

[bubbajack8]

My main point is she can't ask questions

BASED

on a players alignment. Since a scum bomb is not in existent, it would be based upon alignment. Seeing as I've claimed "has bubbajack lied ..." would also be based upon alignment. Just as has GCBC , Varsoon lied etc.

[bubbajack8]

I disagree.

[bubbajack8]

Yo. I'm voting Dan! ):

[bubbajack8]

Bullshit. I was on scum wagon, and I'm voting you.

[bubbajack8]

Pie, Jaqen, and the flipped town Gaiden were also off the wagon, so that also puts a hole in your argument.

[bubbajack8]

flipped scum.* lel disregard that part. Pie and Jaqen are off your wagon.

[bubbajack8]

Well I'm remilia. 2 shot kill cop. CoK killed last night

And you don't say anything until now? Then again a CoK kill is kinda unbelieveable right now.

If CoK flips town easy situation here though.

VOTE: COK

[bubbajack8]

I just find it odd how people have discussed suspicion at CoK, and he claims now with a report on CoK

[bubbajack8]

VOTE: Muffin

He also gave Kagami a town card..

[bubbajack8]

I mean that post enough is reason to lynch muffin.

[bubbajack8]

EBWOP Post 2669

[bubbajack8]

Also something utterly indecipherable happened to us last night

EWBOP: Well, a couple things happened. One of these was utterly indecipherable.

Welll.... xD

[bubbajack8]

L-2 c'mon guys keep em coming.

[bubbajack8]

If he used his last one last night.

[bubbajack8]

L-2 c'mon guys keep em coming.

A man questions this excitement in haste. A man is certain The Bastard of Lush held his blade to this one's throat at some time during a night.

VOTE: bubba

But he reallly wanted to lynch me yesterday right?

[bubbajack8]

How does it seem dangerous and a waste on someone we thing Lush had a guilty on? Wth?

[bubbajack8]

Also, Lush didn't cop Muffin. They were on Kagami.

How would you know this? They said the town card for Kagami was "temporary"

[bubbajack8]

Like Dan bussed?

[bubbajack8]

Who the fuck cares who gets the hammer.

[bubbajack8]

I don't buy it.

[bubbajack8]

do you really think they would have joined the action dan wagon if they had a guilty on me? mollie would have been screaming down the action dan wagon and telling people it can wait til tomorrow if they actually had a guilty on me.

Yes. It's called trying not too be too obvious. -_-

[bubbajack8]

As much as id love to think i was the investigation, its obviously you Muffin. Lush obviously wanted to live longer. At least past N3 to get more results. Anyway. Lush investigations you. Maybe i was a multiple result and that was "incomprehensible" nontheless. My point is the result was obviously on you. You claim that he wouldnt move if it was on you, but he moved to semi clear someone and lynch scum. Who the hell wouldnt move.

[bubbajack8]

its obviously you Muffin

yeah, well, funny thing about that is i know it wasn't me. don't ask how i know this, though, it's a secret. i'll give you a special hint, though. it has to do with me being town

Who the hell wouldnt move.

any sane person with a fundamental understanding of how the game is played

Last i checked the objective of town was to lynch scum soooo.

[bubbajack8]

I'm Utsuho Reiuji
Kagami is China
Varsoon is Tewi Inabi

There's one more I'm missing. Whoever it was, they couldn't pronounce/spell it so they said ____ or whatever it's called.

[bubbajack8]

all I saw from mollie to you late in d1 was a small "muffin what say you" line in a huge molliepost

mollie thought i was scum for most of D1 iirc, i'm pretty sure you could see this if you look at anywhere mollie actually mentioned her read on me

I seem to remember Mollie more convinced on Messiah Complex being scum.

mollie thought i was scum D1, mollie didn't say her reads were wrong after D1

The Jif is back, but I'm probably just going to lurk out the rest of the day while Mollie and Bork do their thing and come back D2 for more bubbalynch.

I'm probably going to step away from the hydra for a while. I'm a bit bummed at pretty much all of my reads being wrong so I'm just going to let Bork and Mollie play for a while.

Jif did though, and you acknowledged it.

Spoiler: yeah they thought you were scum...

talk to me muffin

normally at this stage i'd expect to have a fair few reads i'm somewhat confident about and it's not happening in this game

its okay dexter. just plz make sure hit scum okay? otherwise I won't be able to protect you!

Town
{

morph, Kaze

,

Muffin

,

Jaqen thing

}

Scum
{Remembrance,

bubbajack

,

Kise, Kagami

}

VOTE: Bubbajack

I also think they are not town for the reasons that I gave but what is interesting is what shook out. muffinman, kagamuri and pie are the people of interest in that debacle.

I do think that there is scum in the three quick votes on morph (muffin/kagami/pie which isn't reflected in the VC since they voted for the wrong player) but I'm not sure it's her and for a while I thought it was actually least likely to be her.

~Mollie's Reads~

muffinman

: anybody who is already townreading him needs to have their head examined. in monks and masons he looked so incredibly town that nacho and I bought it, hook line and sinker but lucky for us he was nked by the opposing scumteam. I guess luck is a strong word considering we lost that game to scum saki. he is up for a scummy for cunning manipulator or something cos I think he has managed to fool every1 who has ever played with him. in xeno2 I kind of felt very strong town vibes from him after I got over paranoia and here I am not feeling it. like I feel nothing. it reminds me of me when I have gotten just 1 too many scum role pms in a row and am fatigued. <--- that is how he is acting.

unsure could get weird on him any second. he might be scum.

The following are a collection of people that have supported the Bubba scumread and have failed to pony up with a vote;
{Kise, Muffin, pieguy, Kaze, Jaqen, Katarina}

Given my townreads on Muffin and Kaze, and Jaqen's IC status, we are left with;
{Kise, pieguy, Katarina}

I'll reevaluate him/kagami/muffin if we're alive after you guys flip since all three attempted to kick the wagon on you guys up to 11 in a very short amount of time and what you guys flip will depend how I would look at that.

(and in fact, none of them moved to correct their vote onto your new slot after your hydra replaced the old one which reflects worse on kagami/muffin since pie hasn't been around)

Otherwise, there is scum in the muffin/kagami/pie group even if I can't figure out which of them it is.

-bork (for clarity)

Most of those are relatively null for me, too. But I

am

reading Dram and Muffin as town.

if it's the active lurking, i'm with ya

although gaiden's in the same boat as kise, dramonic, AD and to some extent yunichikako, tsukasa and the cok in that respect. (and i guess the replacement-to-come slots as well)

just fucking bus messiah already

Town
{

SXTLHGaiden, Kaze,

Amar,

Pie,

GCBC, Varsoon,

Jaqen,

Muffin}

So saiyeth the Jiffy, so shall it be heard.

TLDR:

Jiffy had town read on Muffin.

And he said his reads were all wrong..

Bork thought there was scum in a group (that included muffin), Mollie was convinced on Messiah, and said to watch out for muffin. She wasn't like YO LYNCH MUFFIN HE'S SCUM.

Go to Lush Life's ISO and Ctrl+F Muffin. You'll see for yourself. It's pretty obvious who scum is.

[bubbajack8]

i don't believe mollie was scum reading mc at the end of D1. and mollie

was

scum reading me at the end of D1 (i even provided the quotes, which you seem to have skipped over). so yes, bork and mollie were scum reading me and they obviously discussed it N1.

And then investigated you.

mollie isn't a bad player; if she had a guilty, she wouldn't so willingly vote someone she's unsure about in the way she did. this is really, really basic theory.

I already explained this.

[bubbajack8]

no and no you didn't. your ideas about theory are rather flawed. did you read #3056/#3058, btw? because even if you don't take my word for it, nacho knows how mollie plays and you clearly don't.

You obviously aren't reading. Because I did. You're argument is "no and no" Really? that's a strong argument!

I've played with mollie before tyvm, and she's admitted this. I've modded a game with mollie in it. I know a little about mollie. Don't try to discredit my arguments against you will utter bullshit.

Welcome to hell Sakura! I like your quick claim. Which means someone needs to explin this to me.

Eirin Yagakoro

VT

Yuuka, VT

Wouldn't VT's have the same character? Or am I derp?

[bubbajack8]

Okay, heard back from gif, got permission.

I know

for a fact

that nacho was in fact in the hydra that he replaced. I don't know who the other head was, though.

Mod slipped when talking to me about ffery replacing out and me asking who I could have half-head replace in.

So this kind of makes me wonder...

A: Why nacho directly lied about that if he's town.

B: Why nacho didn't break up the mollie-ffery fight if he's town.

What do you think about this then?

Really? Because I'm sitting here wondering why you sat there and let ffery and let mollie get into a cat fight and didn't even attempt to halt it

I thought by then Nacho hadn't replaced in?

I didn't. Cabd has a theory that I'm Amaranth.

[bubbajack8]

Mac flavor claimed that was it.

[bubbajack8]

Good Stealing Girl.

Good Stealing Girl.

Good

Stealing

Girl.

Stealing

[/quote

Dafuq?

I'm intrigued by my last post about amaranth Nacho. that shit needs to be cleared up.

[bubbajack8]

@Bubba, marisa as stealing girl is 100% legit. I also think MC would fakeclaim something else if he were scum here, given that the other protagonist was a bad girl and how scummy his role sounds/seems.

Knowing GiF and EM screams thief to me. (which was scum)

[bubbajack8]

We have conferred and are calling a Muffin/Nacho/Bubba scum team. Put money on it, put your momma on it, take it to the hole and slam that shit home. This game is a fucking wrap. Let's put the women and children to bed and go find some fucking dinner.

You're so off it's laughable.

Explain Nacho though

@kat

have you ever played with any of the heads of lush life? coz they're not shy about screaming for their preferred lynches when they're

not

sure of a read

(see D1 here, for example, although that was mostly majiffy)

- if they had a guilty on me, they wouldn't have let the AD wagon happen

and you keep ignoring the fact that someone has said mollie has had no issue with outing guilties in the past

use your head

See the problem here. Majiffy stepped away for a reason. He probably would have been screaming MUFFIN IS SCUM. But for obvious reasons and to protect theif didn't.

[bubbajack8]

Not crazy theory:

Bubba is an X-shot PGO who serene obviously would have rolecopped night 1.

What's a pgo?

Bolding who I think are pretty fucking confirmed at this point.

Muffin- Aya: 2-shot tracker (dram did nothing n1, kat nothing n2)

Kise- Nitori: Inventor (gave track to pie n1, unknown n2)

[Pie confirmed kise right?]
Kat- Yuyuko: Oracle (We are not in multiball, possible SK)

AD- Remilia: 2-shot kill cop (CoK killed n1, Nacho has not killed)

Varsoon- Tewi: 1-shot redirector (redirected actions on Jaqen n1 to GCBC)
GCBC- Tensh: Bulletproof
Kagami- China: Gatekeeper (RBed and RSed Jaqen n1, Pie n2)

Jaqen- Patchy: IC

Pie- Koishi: Mason Encryptor

Saki- Eirin: VT
Sakura- Yuuka: VT

MC- Marisa: Thief (jacked shiki's stick n1, nothing from dram n2)

Dramonic- Byakuren: VT

Mac- Sanae: ???
Nacho- Merlin Prismriver: 2-shot Motivator, compulsive Visitor (Lush n1, AD n2)

This leaves you with


Muffin- Aya: 2-shot tracker (dram did nothing n1, kat nothing n2)

Could be scum who got lucky with D1 report. D2 report is too easy to fake.

Kat- Yuyuko: Oracle (We are not in multiball, possible SK)

Nothing to prove this wrong. Nothing to prove it right.

GCBC- Tensh: Bulletproof
Varsoon- Tewi: 1-shot redirector (redirected actions on Jaqen n1 to GCBC)
Kagami- China: Gatekeeper (RBed and RSed Jaqen n1, Pie n2)

I don't know what to think of these. Kagami Rsed Jaqen N1, and so did Varsoon. Not sure what to think about this, or what should have happened.

Saki- Eirin: VT
Sakura- Yuuka: VT

VTs.

Mac- Sanae: ???

needs to claim.

Nacho- Merlin Prismriver: 2-shot Motivator, compulsive Visitor (Lush n1, AD n2)

?

I agree thief needs to confirm Saki and Sakura. I am kind of skeptical both are town.

[bubbajack8]

wahts wrong with that

Nothing, imo. was just asking bubba for an opinion.

Missed it.

And sorry I felt like you were confirmed, but couldn't remember.

I retract confirmation of saki. Assumed doc pretending to be VT due to eirin claim.

Confirm Mac as doctor: I'm Macho.

Updated List:

Muffin- Aya: 2-shot tracker (dram did nothing n1, kat nothing n2)
Kat- Yuyuko: Oracle (We are not in multiball, possible SK)
GCBC- Tensh: Bulletproof
Varsoon- Tewi: 1-shot redirector (redirected actions on Jaqen n1 to GCBC)
Saki- Eirin: VT
Sakura- Yuuka: VT
Nacho- Merlin Prismriver: 2-shot Motivator, compulsive Visitor (Lush n1, AD n2)

Hmm i thought bombs killed the hammerer (if lynched) or the killer (if NK'd)

Mod's already confirmed that bombs don't blow up on hammer.

I'm at a sleepover and will read GCBC vs muffin later.

[bubbajack8]

I want to lynch bubba~

You think his D1 claim was coached? Or just derpscum? And if coached, by who?

Daytalk allows for many possibilities.

I think it's very very likely that serene investigated Bubba, and I think it's unlikely that anyone would have singled serene out as dangerous enough to be worth a NK. I would not be at all surprised if bubba was in fact a one-shot PGO, and the actual role was similar enough to his one-shot bomb claim that he derped into a convincing claim.

I'm going to go ahead and full claim now. I'm a good one-shot active bomb Girl. Now what does this mean? Well as said earlier I have a nuculear rod. ONCE as in UNO I may arm myself. If anyone tries to kill me that night they die too. It's gone in the morning. Which is why I wouldn't blow up on lynch like GiF said. (:

MUffin I already quoted everything Lush said about you. Did you miss that? And you CRUCIALLY left out Majiffy's town read on you, and then him saying "His reads were all wrong"

[bubbajack8]

I want to lynch bubba~

You think his D1 claim was coached? Or just derpscum? And if coached, by who?

Daytalk allows for many possibilities.

I think it's very very likely that serene investigated Bubba, and I think it's unlikely that anyone would have singled serene out as dangerous enough to be worth a NK. I would not be at all surprised if bubba was in fact a one-shot PGO, and the actual role was similar enough to his one-shot bomb claim that he derped into a convincing claim.

I'm going to go ahead and full claim now. I'm a good one-shot active bomb Girl. Now what does this mean? Well as said earlier

I have a nuculear rod

. ONCE as in UNO I may arm myself. If anyone tries to kill me that night they die too. It's gone in the morning. Which is why I wouldn't blow up on lynch like GiF said. (:

MUffin I already quoted everything Lush said about you. Did you miss that? And you CRUCIALLY left out Majiffy's town read on you, and then him saying "His reads were all wrong"

Meaning it could be stolen?

Probably. Yeah.

[bubbajack8]

And you CRUCIALLY left out Majiffy's town read on you, and then him saying "His reads were all wrong"

right. and i also left out majiffy's scum read on you, majiffy's scum read on MC, majiffy's scum read on serene, majiffy's town read on gaiden, etc, and then him saying his reads were all wrong. but since mac was talking about bork and mollie's read on me, what's your point?

And you left out that you Know Majiffy would scream a guilty at the top of his lungs. My point's you're scum.

Just a thought: If we're going to use MC to confirm everyone... How do we keep MC alive?

[bubbajack8]

So I messaged mod and they said my item can't be stolen. This also puts me at mislynch fodder since some people still refuse to believe I'm town.

If we're lynching GCBC just so he doesn't get to lylo I HIGHLY suggest you all change your votes to me.

VOTE: Bubba

GiF: whydoieventry? ):

[bubbajack8]

Wait wait wait, we can just ask gif if our items can be stolen?

I did. She said it can't be stolen (assuming such a role as thief exists.)

Fun fact, yukari won't answer my query as to whether anything can be stolen from me.

VOTE: bubba

GiF likes me more then! HA

[bubbajack8]

I asked yukari if she would have answered my question had I been more specific (by mentioning a specific item I am known to carry) and she said she would.

Bubba has moved from prob scum to prob town in kagami-land.

UNVOTE:

OWNED.

Vote Bubba

Serene visiting Bubba would have resulted in her death only if Bubba activated himself. I think now would be the time for you to explain that part of your role.

I'm assuming you mean Serene. I already explained. It's a one-night deal. It's only if someone tries to kill me.

Also Katarina you're a special kind of stoopid.

[bubbajack8]

Bubba. Explain the mechanic that goes along with your role in your next post or I swear to God I will run a tunnel so far into you that you'll be stretched out worse than a turned out lifer in prison.

Already fucking did.

I'm going to go ahead and full claim now. I'm a good one-shot active bomb Girl. Now what does this mean? Well as said earlier I have a nuculear rod. ONCE as in UNO I may arm myself. If anyone tries to kill me that night they die too. It's gone in the morning. Which is why I wouldn't blow up on lynch like GiF said. (:

[bubbajack8]

That's why this lynch is best. Bescause too many people don't believe it, it'll help catch scum, and it gets rid of mislynch fodder.

And it'll make people look stupid xP

[bubbajack8]

Inb4 mollie is best scumhunter ever.

muffin / messiah for scum 2014

[bubbajack8]

Omfg. No it's not. Read. Serene visiting would not matter at all. I'm bomb not a fucking PGO. Anyway it wouldn't matter unless Serene tried to kill me. In which case that wouldn't matter unless it was the night I activated myself.

[bubbajack8]

The point I am trying to make Bubba, is how do you activate yourself? Do you send a PM to the Mod and are activated for that night, or the next night? If you are a bomb then wouldn't you explode and die too if you were targeted? Neither of the people who died n1 Serene or Kaze had killing roles, so even if they targeted you they shouldn't have died. I need to go back to see who has been pushing the Serene died for visiting Bubba angle, but it doesn't look good to me that Bubba never corrected that person or even pointed out the faulty logic in the statement.

I send Pm and I'm activated that night. If I'm being killed I will explode.

I never saw that logic. It's shitty. You can target me all you want. you can say investigate me, you can tailor me, you can I don't give a shit. If you try to kill me and I'm activated you're fucked.

That actually is worth revisiting, since I'm still waiting for GCBC.

Bubba, was the crumb an actual crumb (i.e. something you intended as a crumb at the time), or were you making that up?

Actual crumb. I said in that post that they were intentional.

I've seen his crumbs. You want me to find a post where I claim to be a day vig?

*cough* not intentional or special wording *cough* Deja vu.

Bubba, how often do you crumb your role? Can you show other times when you have done so?

This is my first PR, so it's the first time I've had a chance to crumb.

[bubbajack8]

Oh yeah that game. I claimed I breadcrumbed it, but I don't remember where.

I was bubba?

[bubbajack8]

Never played that set up, no.

Oh then that makes sense.
Duck Duck Goose every townie is a 1-shot PGO, but they decide whether to activate themselves during any given night or not. If 1 of them activates himself for example N1, then any actions on him N1 will kill the visitor.
So im guessing bubba's ability works the same way, which means he could've killed during N1.

IM NOT A PGO

[bubbajack8]

Kagami I love you.

[bubbajack8]

Whatever.

{Saki, Bubba, Dram} initial lyncpool when I flip town; also never listen to a word waynegg says anymore because he's shit, also I still remain unconvinced that muffin isn't scum so please do work further in that regards.

How the hell did you put me in there?

heck, if their first post was simply "So we talked last night, and given the flips, we've decided x is scum and y is probably innocent," that would be sufficient.

I thought they did say something about discussing it last night?

Contemplating a GCBC lynch. mainly because of Katarina, but I still like a muffin lynch.

Really tho it could be 1 of GCBC/muffin. Wouldn't be surprised.

[bubbajack8]

Random thought: GC_BC claims Unlimited BP right? All the other roles claimed are 1-shot, even-night, etc. Part of me thinks well he's an odd one. Obvious fakeclaim now that everyone's claimed.

And then the other part of me thinks GiF would troll us.

[bubbajack8]

My point is you claimed earlier then everyone else so how would you know that everyone else's claims would be 1-shot etc. Therefore you tried to make it believable.

I don't know. Like I really think your precedence was town.

[bubbajack8]

Mac, why lush night 1 over pie/jaqen, and why pie night 2 over AD?

@bubba: my ability is unlimited, presumably mac and MC's are too.

Well that fucks my logic. I thought Unl. BP was the only one, but then I thought there were others. Thank you.

@Varsoon: Does this make Kagami, mac, and MC scum?

[bubbajack8]

@Bubba: Don't fuel my 'noia

[bubbajack8]

@MC would you consider muffin a leading wagon then?

[bubbajack8]

I thought Unl. BP was the only one, but then I thought there were others.

what does this mean?

Other unl. claims. I wasn't sure I was running with it to seee if

A: He pulled it up.
B: His reactions.

[bubbajack8]

I don't understand why anyone's getting mad about Sakura for not being on a leading wagon. It's plurality lynch you're still going to get the info you want and she can vote where she wants. Jeez.

[bubbajack8]

It seems almost certain to me that bubba is non-vanilla and his item is not stealable, and therefore you are not a vanilla-cop.

this read A+B=C to me. How do you get to that conclusion I'm confused.

[bubbajack8]

You seem fairly convinced that you are a vanilla cop of sorts, so what do you make of bubba's question to yukari?

Presumably you would have to believe he's lying that he asked it, but doesn't that seem like a remarkable brash scum-play? This relies on us asking yukari ourselves and getting a consistent result, which he couldn't be confident would happen. Look at his response to my initial statement that yukari didn't answer my question: Does that look like the reply of scum who got caught in a lie?

If he was telling the truth about having asked the question, why would he lie about yukari's response?

It seems almost certain to me that bubba is non-vanilla and his item is not stealable, and therefore you are not a vanilla-cop.

"Why would he lie about it"

why not ask have the masses ask the moderator about it, if one, just one of them claim that their item can vouch that their item can be stolen then I'll believe him. I do believe Bubba lied to gain temporary towncred but didn't account for others asking about their item. Lynchl should be on either bubba or MC because both of their roles and current claims are not fitting together.

Then all aboard the bubba train all aboard choo choo.

[bubbajack8]

Muffin was investigated. It was pretty fucking obvious.

[bubbajack8]

Why are you still voting yourself? You're making people think you're a "leading" wagon.

Because 1. People don't believe me. It's bullshit. 2. If it's between me and Messiah I'm the obvious better option.

But hey if you want me to start voting Messiah fine.

VOTE: Messiah

I'll also vote Muffin.

@Mod: Make me a judge so I can have 2 votes <3

[bubbajack8]

Fish thinks I'm town, desperado did a huge wallpost about why I'm scum. Can you two make up your goddamn mind and give me a summary? (Also your claim does not make much sense and after tons of questions to giffy

I confirmed I have no item that is stealable so the mechanics of your role makes even less fucking sense.

)

This is a lie.

GIF PMed us unprompted to tell us that other players will not know if they have an item to be stolen.

The rest of those reads are all hot garbage anyway. How many fucking times did he say "if by some miracle you are town?" It's all bullshit.

- Des

Uh I got a response from Gif saying my item can't be stolen so you're full of BS.

[bubbajack8]

GCBC, word your communication with the moderator better. Bubba, you too.

I worded what would happen if I tried to use my item and it was stolen. Mod said It can't be stolen (assuming thief exists.).

[bubbajack8]

Uh I got a response from Gif saying my item can't be stolen so you're full of BS.

Your item is relevant to your role. We don't steal items relevant to role, we steal items relevant to flavor that the player is unaware of.

- Des

Sooo why didn't you clarify this earlier?

[bubbajack8]

Saki is probably scum, if not groupscum, then here lies the probably serial killer. His play has been incredibly lazy and distractin a la FEA. If you are by some miracle town, Saki, then you need to play less like Saki and mroe like Nsin. And quickly.

This is a total lie.
Read my play in FEA and compare it to say, Xenogears or LOTR.

Go back to voting GCBC guys.
Mislynching based off of faulty meta is Cabd's specialty.

And you have proof of this elsewhere?

[bubbajack8]

That's not related to a players meta.

[bubbajack8]

"Did I just finish a scumgame where I used this as a "slip" to push a mislynch on a player? Absolutely."

Is not about him using faulty meta. It's him using player deaths to set up a mislynch.

[bubbajack8]

Now then can we get back to the game?

Katarina: What do you mean in #4094 Why can you see the 180?

[bubbajack8]

deadline coming up

2 days. GCBC and Saki are lynch targets and currently GCBC would be lynched.

[bubbajack8]

We should all get back on muffin.

VOTE: Muffin

3 more to beat a GCBC lynch etc.

[bubbajack8]

Hey you should all go vote muffin those of you who don't care, those of you who don't want a GCBC lynch. ETC. High scum flip chance there.

[bubbajack8]

Muffin is better then GCBC. Look at who's on GCBC. ActionDan | Saki | Messiah Complex | zMuffinMan

This should tell you something.

[bubbajack8]

ActionDan | Saki | Messiah Complex | zMuffinMan

This should tell you something.

you have scum reads on those 4 names? coz if so, yeah, with the exception of saki, it tells me your reads suck

MC and you are probable scum.
Saki and ActionDan are probable to other people.

but you seem to want to defend MC and AD so who's your scumbuddy?