Touhou: Mafia in the Land of Fantasy (Game Over)

[Kazekirimaru]

VOTE: Gaiden

Serious vote. First scum found. Let's go!

[Kazekirimaru]

Oh, damn. Gaiden's doing that thing he does again. Nevermind.

Wagon him anyway to be safe.

[Kazekirimaru]

I can't argue with that logic. Would you believe me if i say that i'm actually a nameless fairy?

Gah. Why do you do this?

The lame thing is I know you know I've seen you do this as town before. I really am not a fan.

[Kazekirimaru]

For lolz mostly. My next character was gonna be "Bullet with deceptively small hit box"

Do you have any completed scum games?

If so can you list em?

[Kazekirimaru]

If you wish to, I'd be no less appreciative.

[Kazekirimaru]

No, those are negligible.

[Kazekirimaru]

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=29901
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=32107
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=30676

I think this is it. I'll let you know if I find any more.

It is. I actually already meta'd you. I just wanted to see if you'd purposely leave any out. Thanks! ;D

[Kazekirimaru]

I'm comfortable calling Gaiden town for now. Quick peek shows a lack of frivolity to this extent in past scum openings.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: UFO

Let's do this instead.

[Kazekirimaru]

Cabd does. I note that Kaze has a multigame trajectory re interest in meta.

Nope. Town!Kaze once again.

[Kazekirimaru]

I kicked Cabd in the shins.

Thank you.

hey kaze I actually agree with you that gaiden might be town based on meta but what made him single him out to you?

He self-voted. I hate that. Then I realized he was probably just doing his thing, so I did all that jazz to be sure.

[Kazekirimaru]

I am so proud of you.

^.^

I've never self voted like that before. Your reaction was amusing. Thanks Kaze.
Pedit: I will

Well, you did in a marathon game. But that's neither here nor there as far as I'm concerned.

and after all of that you for sure think is town?

I mean it didn't take long like did you really read all 4 games in less than 30 minutes?

I think there's a better-than-average chance, yeah.

It really doesn't take long to analyze a bunch of opening posts - especially with a small sample size. I started pulling up games as soon as he self-voted, so.

[Kazekirimaru]

kaze, and you actually read them?

Yes. You insinuating that I didn't do so?

[Kazekirimaru]

kaze, and you actually read them?

Yes. You insinuating that I didn't do so?

well yeah

are you going to get super omgusy and vote us?

No, I'm gonna laugh at you and call you obscenities for being so obtuse.

[Kazekirimaru]

Hahah. Stupid peasant. I bite my thumb at you.

Not feeling stupid scum, though. So, there's that.

[Kazekirimaru]

Tell me which hydra head I've been interfacing with so I know which one to refer to as "peasant" for the rest of the game.

[Kazekirimaru]

The one next to the one opposite of the left

Hey, who's your main? I promise I won't tell.

Majiffy.

Mkay.

[Kazekirimaru]

Literally a new player
like
literally

Where did you come from? What site?

[Kazekirimaru]

#bourbontalking: UFO is nati alt

trufax?

[Kazekirimaru]

where's bork
is that you bork
get in here and duel me

There's stuff going on. You should talk about it.

http://pokemon-online.eu/forums/member. ... gel-Flonne

take it

[REDACTED]
this one is not finished but i died

http://pokemon-online.eu/forums/showthr ... Game-Over)
this one is finished but i didn't do much

Most appreciated <3

[Kazekirimaru]

There's stuff going on. You should talk about it.

can you tell me what it is

I haven't put on my pink srsbsns mob cap yet so I haven't been paying attention sry

You can tell me what you think of me semi-clearing Gaiden, for starters.

I dislike how you're stuck in RVS. There's really no excuse for that.

[Kazekirimaru]

I think I'll cool my heels a bit now whilst others get around to checking in.

[Kazekirimaru]

You're 50 seconds behind us. Try to keep up.

I'm trying, sensei. Please don't hit me with with bamboo again. You get so angry when you indulge in the spirits.

[Kazekirimaru]

Evening. Since I'm a real adult with real adult obligations again(like jobs) I'm not as likely to spampost throughout the day like I usually enjoy doing. You can stop cheering whenever.

but I don't think kaze is town. like I WANT him to be but

He's town, though. My role PM says so.

Today has been a bad day, even my town role pm didn't cheer me up that much. I hope I'll feel better in the morning.

Answer my question.

Were you the one with the mafia variation of the "Does your mother know you're gay?" schoolyard joke? Because I glazed over that idiocy. Was that supposed to be content?

@are you scum?
Yes
@ are you sure you're not scum?
Yes
@Are you town?
No
@ Are you sure you're not town?
No

i'm doing this right

Sup guys, I found a scum over here! He got tricked by Rem's marvelous plot!

bc
1. lazy
2. it's like every game I'm 101% SRSBSNS all the time so this game I wanna mess around a bit before getting SRSBSNS <3

Hi.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: pie

You don't usually completely spell out "fuck".

Interesting catch, but do you think it means anything? Scum meticulousness, perhaps?

are you sure

bc it felt like you ;w;

What the actual fuck is this, pie? Seriously, what are you doing? Just because Gaiden did it doesn't mean I'll measure you with the same yardstick.

Nice to see everyone is acquainted, Lush Life should start tagging who on their hydra is speaking to make things easier for us!

VOTE: Kagami

Nice seeing you again. Was this vote for a particular reason?

Good, no walls. I have doubts pie & morph share a QT.

Who said they did?

pieguy scum, lush life town, gaiden town

I feel it.

I think I want kaze to be town

You're gonna be disappointed.

vote: kaze

@kise: dat waste of a vote :/

I really don't think they will be, though.

Rule 12 infractions everywhere.

Just because they're drinking doesn't mean they're drunk. :3

Want ones i've replaced out of as well?

Last post I read. I have no clue where I posted my vote... UNVOTE:

There's more then one page re-reading.

How did you forget your vote in less than half an hour?

-excuses-

Less of these, please.

Damn you guys move fast

VOTE: UFO

For being second hardest

Next to SA

Who's your main?

Aren't you 2 relying heavily on meta so much?
I've been noticing you 2 relying on each others meta VERY heavily.
I know you just said "No fastpass" but the existence of a "fastpass" is totally wrong.

You're in for a long game.

Ftr tsukasa better get out of rvs or shit will go down

Mm. Sounds fake.

With a shit tonne of fluff post
And a "helpful post" like this

I'd rather stay in RVS

That's not an option.

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Town = Gaiden, morph, Lush hydra, maybe muffin too

Not Town = pie, Tsukasa, Rem, maybe dram

[Kazekirimaru]

Tsukasa should have been prefaced with a "maybe" as well. I need more words from that particular slot, but I will say that Tsukasa's RVS durdling sounds like it's coming from a starkly different place than pie's.

[Kazekirimaru]

take morph out of town reads, tsukasa out of not town reads and swap your name for mine, and this is basically where i'm at atm

Tell me about morph?

So where does the fakeness lead?
That "maybe dram" thing looks like he's still leaning town and you don't want him to look scum

It can lead to many things, but they all have dram posturing as a common theme.

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Kagami! Come out and play! You're active elsewhere, and I'm pretty sure you're not the type to activelurk as town. Am I finally seeing scum!Kagami?

[Kazekirimaru]

Tell me about morph?

i dunno. i'm not seeing anything morph is doing as particularly town - everything they've done looks easily fake-able and nothing's come across as alignment indicative so far

i'm null on them and don't really get the town read

I'm mainly town reading them because they were in step with my thinking for much of IRL yesterday and I got good vibes from that.

[Kazekirimaru]

in other newz does anybody find it strange that kaze has put muffinman as town with so few posts? I mean unless he is the rail to his tracer it seems entirely inappropriate.

I like people with similar reads to mine. Bias? Probably. But it's page 12 so suck the genitalia of your choosing.

Holy shit seriously? He hasn't even posted!

So uh guys that care. Townslip?

How? I noticed it too - I just figured you were being facetious.

[Kazekirimaru]

My brain.

How did I miss this.

[Kazekirimaru]

I'm confused as to the source of this tension.

[Kazekirimaru]

? I was making a joke at the fact he's "mod-confirmed"

...

I also remember someone quoting it with earlier in the post saying Flavor has no aspect. So I had no clue as well.

Hmm?

[Kazekirimaru]

Me too bro. Some shit from their mutual back history that they don't talk about. It happens pretty much every game ffery and mollie are in together. Either way though, I'm attached to ffery so I get to deal with it.

Sigh.

Let me find it.

*The flavor is unrelated to the setup*

Patchouli Knowledge (who's with Jaqen Hghar) is now

mod-confirmed town

with one less life

.

trollolol.

VOTE: UFO

because I see you Nue

First page.

So, to clarify: did you know what it meant at the time or no?

[Kazekirimaru]

NO I was confused on if Jaqen was actually mod confirmed or if flavor was unrelated.

If you were unsure, how/why did you make a joke at the fact that he was mod confirmed?

Sigh.

+1

FWIW my kneecaps being sore says you're town, so you're gonna have to work with me here.

I'll do my best.

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If you folks could drop this situation for the benefit of the gamestate, I'd appreciate it. This isn't the time or place. I really don't want more noise screwing up the signal.

[Kazekirimaru]

I have no clue why ffery is townreading me, strangely. I thought she'd be iffy on me since I've been trying to move away from gut/emotional play this game and I figured that's how she's been giving me passes in previous games. Not that I'm complaining. Just odd.

I like the other reads so far, though.

[Kazekirimaru]

Would you like to know why I townread you? As for her, I have an idea of why but I'll ask her next time she's on gtalk.

Not really. It doesn't benefit me to know what town-Kaze does.

[Kazekirimaru]

do you think he can't fake as scum?

Basically.

what the hell is this
why so sour? this isn't what I expect from you. I expect someone who's excited and ready to go

I didn't intend to come off sour. But okay.

says the guy who gave an excuse for not spamposting throughout the day

your logic is contradictory as fuck

shooting from the hip, I'm inclined to think you're town for it @_@

The difference being I actually posted content.

@Kaze:

same question about Gaiden. also, why is zmuffin town?

- See above
- See 296.

Now, for you:

How the hell am I in your "townblock"? You say you agree with 197 yet me doing the actions outlined there doesn't seem to bother you. You claim I'm acting "sour" and opening different than normal. You find my logic contradictory. You agree that it's odd that I'm reading muffin as town. All this and you're willing to just shoehorn me into your townblock on the grounds of "lol I can't read you but I think I'd be able to read you if you were scum somehow"?

[Kazekirimaru]

bc my first order of business in large games is to get a bunch of quick townreads that I think will hold up well. just a guess but if you were scum hten probably more people would have picked up on it. and I trust if you're scum someone will be able to identify it in due time, so I feel comfortable with you town for now. see: Sakura in AA:MFA. whenever she's town everything she posts pings me and we tend to get in 1v1s all the time but in that game everything made more sense and all her logic checked out, and she was scum. obv I still have doubts but I don't really care atm

who are you looking at for scum?

Yeah, no. I'm not feeling this.

My scumreads haven't changed.

[Kazekirimaru]

Kaze, I feel like you should change your avatar to a zebra-kitten. You're literally a mini-morph right now.

Zebra kitten?



Maybe after you flip and I'm 100% sure your words aren't just sweet nothings.

morph isn't town guyz

I wish you could see it

If you have a case devoid of that rubbish from earlier, I'd love to hear it.

When I saw it I wasn't sure. morph brought it up as her only town read so I was joking / asking if it was because if he was "confirmed" If you want to try to see further then that. Then try. If you want to keep asking me questions go for it. I'm an open book.

Thanks for the clarification.

I wanted her to do her thing with the meta. I'm somewhat disappointed with the lack of it considering it's a big game and I'm somewhat lost once again.

God all these pages and nothing I've seen was remotely interesting bar that #324~328 which was pretty amusing to see.

M-maybe she's town from that?

What thing with the meta? The metaputer stuff? We're not super deep into Day 1 yet. You expect her to fire on all cylinders from the get-go?

You really haven't noted anything interesting yet? I find that difficult to believe. Have you not had a single read or "oh, that's odd!" twinge in all these pages?

@Everyone, If possible from those that aren't alts, can you link a scum game that you think typifies your play or a completed game where someone accuses you/makes a case for why you're town/scum that you think typifies your play? Thank you.

I has Wikipage. I think We're on a Boat before I replaced out was a decent exemplar of my play. I'm probably just giddy I caught Empire-scum as soon as he walked in the door. I dunno. I don't have a lot of scumgames but The Silky was the only one where I won.

Remembrance has requested a replacement. Will search for one.

Well then.

As for the Kaze & Gaiden thing, I changed my mind, they can both be town or any individual alignment. Earlier, I didn't feel good about loltownreads on page 2. Gaiden looked like he was getting an easy brush off. He still has to prove himself, I'm sure, but the way Kaze brushed him off was weird to me back then. But yeah changed my mind, it's whatever.

What changed your mind?

[Kazekirimaru]

VC 1.03

SXTLHGaiden (L-10):

SXTLHGaiden

UFO (L-8):

ActionDan | Kazekirimaru | Tsukasa

Varsoon (L-10):

Remembrance

Lush Life (L-10):

pieguyn

morph the cat (L-10):

Lush Life

Kise (L-9):

Katarina LeBlanc
>

pieguyn (L-8):

zMuffinMan | Kise | Kagami

Kazekirimaru (L-9):

dramonic | bubbajack8

Not Voting:

Amaranth, morph the cat, YuniChikako, Mac, Varsoon, Messiah Complex, Jaqen Hghar, UFO

With 21 alive, it takes 11 votes to lynch.

Deadline: 1/18/2014 12:00 AM EDT
Counter: (expired on 2014-01-18 01:00:00)

Remembrance has requested a replacement. Will search for one.

@Mod:

My vote's on pieguyn, actually.

[Kazekirimaru]

I've probably read the pages as the come by, and I get a bulk of pages pass through as I wake up. By nothing interesting, I meant by an actual formation of a wagon or even something that resembles an organized thought. Just from the vote count, so far everyone is a bit scattered in their reads and we're just trying to provoke others into inciting responses.

That's why I was expecting Kagami to do that metaputer thing, it seems like something that comes naturally to her games (as you so brought it up so gallantly in [redacted]). It would be something to start off on.

I may have played a game with a few of the people here but that doesn't really make me an expert on how they play, considering I was pretty lost in those games as well. Even got a scumread for being so ignorant! Right MC? :3

You'll get hammered for that "[redacted]" business. Just warning you. It's considered circumvention.

So, why not ask some probing questions instead of just watching the pages pass by?

I'm consulting on top of my normal job this month, so work on that is on hold until further notice. I'm only really using my database to quickly find games of players who don't have wikis.

I like kaze in this game so far, though I admit to not having read the 17 pages especially thoroughly. It looks like almost entirely like fluff. The case on remembrance slot feels like it might be legit.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Rem-slot

kaze, can you summarize case on ufo for me?

Why is everybody skimming this game? ._.

VOTE: Bubbajack

Tell me about this, Jiffy. I've been trying to sort bubbajack and I think you may have the right idea.

P:Edit: Hey Jiffy how well did voting me work out last time?

Such belligerent language. Sounds like a challenge.

Ctrl+F: Varsoon
2 results: A vote on me and a joke about what I'm about to do
I'm town, confirming that now.
Also, OMGUS, BITCHES
VOTE: Remembrance-slot

Welcome to the party. Pretty decent start from what I've read of you.

I keep getting compared to you in discussion of playstyles, by the way. Is that a good thing?

I'm gonna slap you nerds with the nitty gritty:
I'm not going to participate in this game very much.
However, I'm town, so there's no use in voting me, as I am now confirmed town.
You guys have an easier time now!
I'll find some scum, maybe, though.
It's just that it's my holiday, I'm a busy guy, this is a huge game, etc.
So I'm gonna be REAL ambivalent about lynches until this shrinks to normal size.
'cus otherwise, I'm just a distraction.
A loud, loud, town distraction ;_;

Why did you join this game if you're not willing to commit for a while?

I don't consider my play scummy. Maybe you should except MY play is MY fucking play and move on.

What an odd thing to say. Isn't it a bit early to start getting defensive?

OBVTOWN ROLE PM CHECKING IN!

let me just finish my reading and we can mosey on up together in a turtle formation

Kay. I can see how this can get annoying. I'll never call myself town again.

Spoiler: Why Bubba is ObvScum

I'm not a fan of meta. Too big a playerlist to meta everyone anyway.

Discrediting meta arguments in a meta-heavy playerlist.

We just finished saying we don't like it when people say things like this.

Forcing himself into the "town" herd by referring to "we".

This sentence is just bad

bad

bad.

Except for when those town read players are scum

Discrediting the idea of forming a townbloc.

Hey. Hey mollie. Bubba noticed it too so that makes him my scumbuddy right?

he also said he had no clue what it meant yeah?

I also referenced a quote by someone else yeah. Noticing it is not alignment indicative.

"Please don't look at me".

The amount of the word town in Varsoon's post concerns me.

Already mentioned this, but he's trying to leapfrog off an observation I made earlier to look like he's scumhunting, when he's not.

P:Edit: Hey Jiffy how well did voting me work out last time?

Idk, were you lynched? If so; then I guess it worked out great.

Games over. I was town.

Holy shit Majiffy get out of my ass. I know you love to hate me, but for real brah.

P:edit; Pretty sure you said that last time. -_-

Begin #MislynchDefense

I don't consider my play scummy. Maybe you should except MY play is MY fucking play and move on.

Defensive behavior (feigned indignation) to cover up for what they deem to be an indefensible argument being put forth.

Then make this mistake again. I fucking dare you.

I think I'm going to start advertising myself as the person Majiffy can't read.

More of the above. Also more #MislynchDefense

It's because Majiffy no likey bubba's play.

Bring it the fuck on. This is a drastic change from you saying you were going to ignore me.

Why did you say you were gonna ignore me if you're just gonna get up my ass like always.

etc.

Why did you say you were gonna ignore me if you're just gonna get up my ass like always.

I was assuming you'd have a town role PM, but once again you seem to be playing like a scumbutt.

Which is what you thought LAST time I had a friggin town PM.

etc.

I refer to you my earlier comment about my play being MY play.

etc.

So can we please lynch this thing now?

Decent points. Mulling this over.

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Pretty much all of bubba's 469 is "no u" and "that means nothing"s and I must say I'm not feeling good about it.

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A boy says much, without saying. A man sees the scum have no day chat. This is just so. With his own words, a boy condemns himself.

VOTE: Morph the cat

I'm not understanding.

Vote: Kagami

What's up?

A girl's hormones rule her thoughts. That which is petty is best left ignored, yet every game a girl loses herself to the most innocuous of japes. Those buttons will continue to be pushed for as long as a girl allows them to be pushed.

Oh God I'm already looking for a mute button.

20p game? Sounds good.

I now realize it's a meta-heavy playerlist.

AS scum would I want to bring attention to myself by doing this?

WIFOM

I'm about 5 seconds from claiming. Do you fucking want that?

Do it.

I'll be back. I have a meeting to go to.

Some people have a life other then FAILING at mafiascum...

You're awful. I kinda want to see you hang.

Jesus Christ shoot yourself with a high caliber pistol through the skull,

please.

Mod: Can we have this player removed for this comment. Thanks.

Psychobabble alert: Looks like you're trying to discredit Jiffy by calling attention to his abrasive comment.

I'm gonna write a CSS script to hide his posts on a toggle. Want a copy?

*hand raise*

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Who wants to take bets that this waxing poetic gimmick is some sort of game mechanic? I'm seriously wondering.

I'm pretty set to vote bubba if that's where we want to go today, but pie is just as good a vote to me. Can I have more votes on pie, or do I need to elucidate the case on him for you slow-to-starts?

[Kazekirimaru]

This game is going to kill me. I already feel it.

The bubba needs to die, Kaze.

But so does pieguy. Think they could be scumbros?

Nah it's some shit referenced in his username. Game of thrones.

Aye, fuck that noise.

hey are you going to post those insults I threw at you or are you going to admit that you were lying

Please stop this. I'm growing irate.

...You know for supposedly having meta'd around a lot you sure have a pretty piss poor understanding of the prevalence of daytalk on this site's culture.

Eh? Who said he's been metaing?

The severe lack of nothing in Kagami's ISO is alarming. I think the vote on Remembrance is bullshit given Rem can't defend himself. And poor, considering it doesn't really make sense.

Lack of nothing? I do see your points and agree. I'm wary of her, too. Mainly because I don't know what scum-Kagami looks like yet. This might be her scum debut.

mac plz listen to me. morph is scum

The hydra dissonance here is making me want to vomit. Paired with the fact that it's based in confirmation bias and petty fights that have no bearing on alignment(no matter how much you try to make it so) and I'm about ready to set sail off this fucker. I can't play around this noise much longer.

[Kazekirimaru]

Me either, but hang around. I'm talking to giffy right now.

And if there's a modicum of truth in mollie's words and this fight is a facade, I'm liable to set my computer on fire. That's just too much.

I just want to play some goddamned mafia.

[Kazekirimaru]

Kazekirimaru, a lady's suspicion on the MtC slot is based on cabd's slip, not on a petty grievance with the other half. A man is pretty sure of this. cabd's deflecting and discrediting afterward instead of just being his town self pretty much wraps that up in a pretty bow. And the conf bias comes from the jiffy third on someone they've had problems reading in other games, and he sets ablaze that which he can't read. Probably because he's so good at reading.

Explain the slip to me again?

A man sees that if bubba is scum he HAS to be scum with MtC.

Explain this to me too, while you're at it.

Still town every game. Rem's replacement probably proves her town.

Proves nothing.

I don't understand the hate onKagami. I don't know if you guys really missed it or not, but are you okay with Rem asking numerous fluff questions, mentioning his (offsite) games with Tsu in an effort to get her to recognize he only calls himself town as town and never as scum, and thereby he's wanting someone to confirm him as town, yet he hasn't scumhunted?

I hadn't notice he replaced out until an hour after I was done catching up. I started reading & posting at 1045 this morning. The mod edited the post mentioning Rem's replacing out at 10:47. Rem no longer being here shouldn't give that slot a clean slate. He did absolutely nothing to find scum and instead made excuses about changing his playstyle, then asked more meta questions and did nothing with them after only UFO answered his first round of questions.

I'm happy Kagami is showing support. No matter how you feel about her, I don't thinkyou can honestly say she's wrong for voting Rem. Again, he tries to get Tsu to notice his town tell or whatever you wish to call it. He does this instead of looking for scum.

With regards to Kagami, I mainly have bad feels about her because of how long it took her to start up. Feels different from other games.

Remembrance? I haven't forgotten about that slot at all. And just because Kagami is voting for him doesn't make her town.

I really hate that scummy nom.

My incomplete assessment of the gamestate is that there are only a few lines of argument that make sense:

Mac on kagami: not enough content, can't deny that
Jaqen on morph: cadb slip
lush on bubba: Various minor tells, listed in 463
morph on Pie: Srs biz early posting nonsense
kise on rem: kise-tsukasa interaction

Of all these, my favorite by far is kise's point, which is both original and accurate. Now, whether or not it's indicative of rem's alignment is a different matter. Rem is either legit invoking a trust tell (and yes, this is a trust tell), or she's using a false tell to push her towniness. Hard to say which, but it makes kise very much town to me. Kise's response to my little flip-flop on rem is very nice, imo, making him a fairly strong townread to me.

The morph thing on pie is pretty weak, I admit that I sheeped it because wagons are fun and I hadn't read the thread much yet on my opening post.

Your argument on bubba is consistent and effortful. I think there's potential for a lot of confbias there, so I was hesitant to hop on. It feels like you got the scum tinglies, and then fit the evidence to that read. The gun post was absurdly inappropriate, but not alignment indicative. I think you're prob-town. Bubba leans scum for this.

I'm running through jaqen's argument now. I'm actually not sure I follow. Cadb says that he assumes town doesn't read the mod posts as carefully as scum, which seems silly but whatever, and misses that bubba was making a joke. He says "but you all missed it, so shame on you." So the argument is that Cabd is identifying that one of the people he's addressing is scum (which implies himself scum)? There's the off chance that he just thought that everyone but he himself missed it, I suppose...
That's the jist of it, no?

Can you quote a completed town game where you've made an assessment in this fashion? Thank you.

You're still giving me bad feelings.

from post 291 is weird. A man looked over and over again to find where he and this mystery other said they didnt like when people alluded to their role pm to clear someone and never found it, so the man is left wondering who this wight he conversed with is and where the conversation was had.

I forget who said it, but someone did in fact say it. Lush, I think?

My initial thought was that town was more likely to skip over the posts form the mod

whereas scum was more likely to read it thoroughly

, but that theory was clearly flawed.

You all ought to be ashamed of yourselves.

A man will break this down a little more thoroughly for Muffin

-cabd believes town would be more apt to skip the mod opening sequence
-cabd believes scum would be more likely to read the opening lest they miss something that could screw up
their game
-cabd says "You all ought to be ashamed of yourselves."
-as cabd believes town less likely read the opening, he would have nothing to be ashmed of for town missing
the IC
-as cabd believes scum should have read the opening, and aparently didn't, the statement of shame can only
be applied to those he's shaming. The scum.
-this leads a resonable man to ponder,

why wold a town cabd be motivated to help scum?

-since cabd took the chance to do this ITT, it further implies the lack of day talk.

You missed this part:

But apparently you all missed it so nevermind, no townslip, you're all just lazy.

which he said before the shame part. You're going on a bad tangent.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Morph

That's right. Hop on that easy vote.

jaqen

I don't like kagami or muffin

where are you at with them?

I echo this.

i also don't like the whole "townslip" thing

but that's mostly because i like doing that sort of thing a lot as scum and i don't think i've ever seen either head of morph call something a townslip, let alone something that weak when it was obviously a joke from bubba

Are you kidding me right now? This is how you justify your vote?

I also think that ffery's particular exit from the game is town looking.

I'd rather you didn't start on this.

---

Hello, 609. I wish you said something pertinent.

Yeah, I'm glazing over another one of your posts.

---

ok let me try to explain this
Sakura Hana is a friend of mine and we play a lot. whenever she's town, everything she posts pings me and we always get in 1v1s a lot. however, when she's scum her posts are like 9000x more logical and I hardly pick up on anything from her. the last time I played with Kaze (AA:MFA), we got in a massive 1v1 and he was town. this feels like it could end up being the same thing, plus he's being townread by a lot of people. I get lost enough in large games as it is and the last thing I need is to do a 1v1 that probably won't get me anywhere. also, in AA:MFA everyone besides me read him as town, so I kind of feel like trusting the majority on him is better in this scenario. I can revisit the possibility he's scum later but it's prob better to write him off as town and see what happens atm

Still don't feel it. If you're so fine with putting me in a corner and sorting me later why do you continue to ask people about me? Waiting for someone to tell you they think I'm scum?

And that's totally cool, really, leaving me alone to sort later. But then why call me

town

? Why not null? It makes no sense to put me in a townblock when you're apparently not getting a clear read on me.

screw you

Pardon?

Kaze, being compared to me probably means you don't play by other people's rules, you can be nonsensical, you have crazy gambits, and you're absolutely conniving as scum.

Game pace too fast dough.

The first two points sound about right. I'll take it.

Get back to me on your reads sometime, mkay?

vote: morph

still not sure about the "slip" but oh well I'll bite for now

The mental image of an array of enemy Gundams comes to mind.

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How long has ActionDan been in this game? o.o

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i refuse to read those fucking giant quote walls. go fuck yourself if you're planning to do any more of them

Then fucking leave.

---

The case on Cabd? fucking balls. I can't tell how many of you are just foolishly following the sewage Jaqen is spewing out and how many are scum taking the opportunity to build up on the wagon, but you're all definitely ridiculous and/or scum. I think a lot of the people on the wagon in question are actually both! Notice how quickly it moved?

So, Kagami is upgraded to full scumread. Muffin is still Leaning Scum.

pieguy, Remembrance, bubba, Kagami. How's that sound? Those are my scumreads. And you know what? Many of them all decided it'd be a novel idea to vote Cabd within a span of like three fucking hours! Dat wagon. How's that for you, eh?

But yeah, can we stop playing around now? I think it's time we actually started playing this thing. Start with pie. I'll actually happily lynch Kagami afterwords.

[Kazekirimaru]

tl;dr

Get fucked

Vote pie.

[Kazekirimaru]

You'd know the answer to that if you read my post~

[Kazekirimaru]

The answer is yes. I suggest you find the time to read those aforementioned posts, because I don't intend to stop making them.

[Kazekirimaru]

The answer is yes. I suggest you find the time to read those aforementioned posts, because I don't intend to stop making them.

A foul mouthed boy should spend more time listening and less time verbalizing. The gods gave him two eyes and one voice for a reason.

I'm still playing a 20p game.

[Kazekirimaru]

I never insulted that slot. not once. I think they are not town cos it is easier to believe that than me being solidly discredited as a player on this site based on crap that is not my problem.

Well then.

[Kazekirimaru]

I still want Kise gone, but bubbajack is much worse. I'd be happy with either of them gone. At least calm dis thread down a bit. Friendships have already been tarnished

If bubbajack is worse, why is your vote lingering on Kise?

Kaze, I feel like you're the only dude who knows I'm here so I'm gonna just chat with you and stuff.

I don't have any good reads. I haven't been giving this game much attention. If I rolled scum, this wouldn't be a problem, since, y'know, this game can ramble on without me.
Pieguyn is not on the usual town ball. That's important to notice.
Then again, neither am I.

One of Lush Life, GCBC(previously morph), Kise, Pie, and zMuffin is scum, if not more. Just lynch that list and we'll be gold.

Easy fuckin' peasy.
VOTE: GoodCopBadCop

Eh, what was the purpose of the "If I had rolled scum, this would be fine" line?

I don't really feel any of those except Pie and maybe muffin. Why is your vote where it is?

I dunno what's up with Rem.
But since he replaced out.
I'm kinda dropping my thing on him.

Why does Rem's replace-out vindicate him?

Xenoblade AGAIN?
It's like... The whole mafia universe just switched it's center to xenoblade.
If you're basing on xenoblade again
It's not going to help.
And if it's not going to help, then that means you're not to help town
Which means, you're not town.

Are you joking?

Vote: pieguy

Hi <3

I respond to everything as I see fit. It's my way of playing. I do not use spoilers unless for cases because I don't want people skimming over it. I'm not trying to create a well built case. That's not my purpose. My purpose is to make my stance and opinions known, not to build a case.

Do you have a strong scumread? Someone you want lynched for sure?

The ad hominem in this thread is immense.

Try really,

really

hard to get your mind into this. I'm starting to think you have no intentions of doing so.

Ok, i am caught up, but i should probably re-read the last 15 pages (i won't say i skimmed posts but yeah...).

@Kaze: Merry christmas. New just completed scum game. http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=83&t=34556

Thank you kindly <3

I enjoy how you've done nothing at all as well, I've already said my piece on the exchanges early on. I don't understand what you're trying to push to me. There are a lot more active lurkers for you to pick on but I assume you're just threatened by my scumread on you. It's a big game, I'm waiting for things to pan out before jumping on the aggressive. I don't see the need to get needlessly aggressive unless someone scumslips super hard. So far it's been clouded by the entire "fuck you" "no you" "no ur mum" exchange between Cabd and co. I don't understand what they have achieved with that but hey it's there.

He's done more than you.

You sound frightened.

Why not Bubba?

Where are the wagons going right now?

The Chamber of Kittens replaces Remembrance effective immediately.

Good luck redeeming your slot.

[Kazekirimaru]

Good luck redeeming your slot.

Kaze if you could stop doing things that make my shins ache and make me doubt the townasfuck read ffery left me that would be sweel kthnx.

~BC

I has the sarcasm

[Kazekirimaru]

The last time I let one of ffery's reads of this strength go awry it was when my scumteam got orcinus shot by the vig. Not indulging yet.

~BC

You can vote me if it'll make you feel better, but I very much doubt it'll go anyplace. Plus your vote would be better placed upon scum, no?

Prod dodge failed, activate prod response. Dang, I didn't know this started. I'll do something in an hour or two.

I dislike you already!

We wont be caught up for a day or 2. Who's scum?

Who are you again? toolenduso has that same avatar. That's going to confuse me.

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omg hai @ 750

Not sure how to respond to this post. But the post in general annoys me. It looks like a really good way to increase the in-game noise as well as try to look super productive. Both of these things are scummy. Perhaps I'm confbiasing now? Eh. Basically I disagree on Mac being hypocritical in some way and I dislike how you're not really taking a stance on the Rem slot.

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The rest of the wagons are shit and feel like distractions from my Bubba case that a number of people are supporting and/or at least scumreading Bubba, and yet no one seems willing to park a vote there.

Aka there's verbal support but no one will pony up because they're probably mostly scumbuddies.

But scum-pieguy is a thing. I like it. I want to see that through.

The severe lack of nothing in Kagami's ISO is alarming.

This is a poor reason to vote someone.

What, did you take this literally?

Mod: If you don't do something about him I swear to god I'm going to get replaced. He's making fun of me, my friends, and my family members that were affected by this, and I've had enough.

Increase the peace in here. Too many fights about not-mafia in this game. Ugh.

This is the first time I can actually say without the merit of being the mod that this is gonna end with the town getting destroyed.

Are you scum?

I keep thinking you might be.

UNVOTE:

I'm gonna give bubba some breathing room even if Majiffy yells at me when he wakes up.

@bubba: If you could tl;dr your reads post into top scumreads that would be rad.

Yay hydra dissonance. >.>

Tsukasa and Varsoon are about on the same level for me. I'd be more comfortable with a kagami lynch though.

What's wrong with Varsoon?

[Kazekirimaru]

hi kaze!

i am going to do my favourite thing which to ask you to dance. while we are leaning town on you I want to either firm it up or break it down early cos there was this teeny thing that you are doing which is bothering me a bit and that is that you kind of are feeding the flames but then bitching about the ensuing drama.

I kind of get the feeling you are pretty in your face antagonistic so what I would like to discern is whether or not this is a playstyle or alignment thing.

could you plz help me sort this out?

love,

mollie

Hai there! I do love to dance.

Feeding the flames of the drama, am I? I must disagree, but I'll hear your reasons for thinking so. If they're legitimate I'll cut it out, mkay?

I am a bit antagonistic, I suppose. I used to be really bad about this but I like to think I've scaled it back a bit.

Anything else?

[Kazekirimaru]

I have pie as a pretty high null / town read.

I wish you didn't, though.

The reason I have a town read on Majiffy is slightly because he is attacking me. Last time he did he was town. He also posted a picture he posted as town, last game. I mean it's all easily faked, but it's screams Majiffy town, then again i don't know what Majiffy scum would look like......

I'm pretty much done with replying to Majiffy. At this point we're going in circles and I'm getting aggravated.

You're reading Jiffy as town because he's attacking you and as town he attacks you...

...?

I resolved with Mac, and
I've somewhat taken a stance on Rem.

That stance on Rem being?

Why.

Also why is pie scum?

I'm talking to that one, kay? ^^

But pie? I've stated my case on them.

As in what's wrong with his lynch or how is he scummy?

Why is Varsoon scummy?

[Kazekirimaru]

Hai there! I do love to dance.

Feeding the flames of the drama, am I? I must disagree, but I'll hear your reasons for thinking so. If they're legitimate I'll cut it out, mkay?

I am a bit antagonistic, I suppose. I used to be really bad about this but I like to think I've scaled it back a bit.

Anything else?

lets start here:

UNVOTE:

I'm gonna give bubba some breathing room even if Majiffy yells at me when he wakes up.

@bubba: If you could tl;dr your reads post into top scumreads that would be rad.

Yay hydra dissonance. >.>

what was the purpose of this comment? what was your intention when you made it and the outcome that you were expecting?

also what music do you like? it might help if we are dancing to the same beat.

Stating I dislike hydra dissonance? I was...stating I dislike hydra dissonance. I was hoping the aforementioned hydra would notice the comment and come to the conclusion that I dislike hydra dissonance. Did it work?

I enjoy almost all music to some capacity! Though I am especially fond of variants of jazz music, as well as symphonies. Sometimes I indulge in instrumental progressive. If you're looking to dance, I enjoy the Viennese Waltz :3

[Kazekirimaru]

That was a slightly sardonic question I posed when I was asking if it worked. Anyway, I don't believe hydra dissonance is alignment-indicative, but I do dislike it because it causes some difficulties for the game itself. Namely heads who argue with each other and/or unvote/vote against other heads. It sometimes makes it difficult to get solid reads and it adds another layer of contention within the game that's unneeded. I'm also admittedly unhappy you unvoted my favorite scumread.

Well then, do you think I'm scum? I do see your point about noise if all one does is excessively shout "UGGHH THIS HYDRA FFS" or uses it as an excuse not to sort them, but I don't think I fall into either of those categories.

---tangential break!---

I do. I play most stringed instruments, many percussion instruments, I played trumpet in band, and I own other wind instruments including a porcelain ocarina. It's bitchin, I must say.

Salsa sounds fine. Would you like to lead?

[Kazekirimaru]

Sadface at kaze.

Not a fan of the Waltz, then?

[Kazekirimaru]

On you, I take it.

[Kazekirimaru]

It's not my fault you rolled scum! D:

[Kazekirimaru]

so you are in love with the bubba lynch then? why? I get majiffy's stance bubba is the type of player he latches onto early in a game. borky and I want to give him room to breathe and see what happens. mebbe in a day or 2 revisit but I don't think he is the best lynch for today.

I'm not in love with it but I'm certainly not opposed. bubba is likely third in line for people I'd like to lynch today. I'll admit that the read on him from me is some large percent gut. I just really hate how he interfaced with Majiffy, too. The way he keeps reducing his arguments to "no u" and even attempted to eject him from the game was bleh(and before you ask, no, I didn't like how Cabd attempted to do the same thing to the IC.) So, yeah. I'd agree he's not the best lynch today. Hey! You should put your vote on pieguy with me. How about it?

I don't know are you? but why did feel like you had to say it? did you think that with 3 heads and 2 with wildly divergent approaches with 1 in the middle did you think that we would stop? with majiffy it ain't gonna happen. I would have thought that you would have picked up on the abrasive playstyle and figured that out. he is good at what he does but sometimes has a hard time playing well with others.

Role PM says no.

You know what, I really just felt like complaining for the sake of complaining. Did me stating my dislike for hydrae arguing amongst themselves add to the gamestate? No, probably not. But that's okay, because I say a lot of things.

so you have a town read on us. who else is in your town pile

IC, Gaiden, GC_BC, uhhh...maybe Mac? I have a lot less of this figured out than I thought. ._.

[Kazekirimaru]

Nope, still town. You should join my "always town" club.

Is this a thinly-veiled way to call me scum?

But yeah. You've no membership to such a club. It expired when you got your role PM for this game.

[Kazekirimaru]

Nope, still town. You should join my "always town" club.

Is this a thinly-veiled way to call me scum?

But yeah. You've no membership to such a club. It expired when you got your role PM for this game.

[Kazekirimaru]

but you just said in post #801 that bubba was your favourite scumread, yeah?

Yep. I can't have more than one favourite? I suppose I worded that badly. "One of my favourite" would have worked better.

while complaining that other things don't add to the gamestate.

I really don't think hydra squabbles and me stating how much I dislike them are really comparable in terms of adding to the signal:noise ratio.

IC, Gaiden, GC_BC, uhhh...maybe Mac? I have a lot less of this figured out than I thought. ._.

I guess you have your work cut for you huh

Seems so. Anything else?

[Kazekirimaru]

so you have a town read on us. who else is in your town pile

This hopefully explains why I didn't list you.

As for the rest, I shrug.

[Kazekirimaru]

@Kaze: I like you, bro. What are your scum reads? I'd like to work with you on them.

But why do you like me? I could be scum. In fact, you could be scum! D:

But my scum reads? pie, Kagami, bubba, Chamber of Kittens in that order.

P.S.S.

I'm still waiting on mr. IC to explain the thing about cabd.
I need it to progress my read on cabd and lush life.

So with that, I'll go
VOTE: Dram

There's like, an entire thread to read. I invite you to look.

You can always try to change my mind...

Nah.

You're reading Jiffy as town because he's attacking you and as town he attacks you...

Yup. Pretty much.

Is this real life?

Null. The spoiler on him states I had a problem with one of his post, but his replace out seems sincere.

How is a replace out alignment-indicative? I still don't get this.

Searching themselves, I don't see how that's towny?

Bolded in 694. I have a problem with.

Posts a lynch list, but doesn't really follow the order. Didn't like that.

Lots of "I'm confirmed town."

And he hasn't provided really anything besides that.

None of those things have anything to do with alignment, except maybe the order thing. And that's meh.

Can we stop dilly-dallying and do this now?

I'm in love with my pie wagon, though. I'd love nothing more than to have a dead QT waiting for him when he comes back.

Also, okay Lush. I will nibble.

unvote
vote Bubba

I'd have preferred Kise to be gone but this wagon I can somewhat agree with as well. I don't like either of them but Kise had to be all rude and stuff so >:O

Eh? Why are you voting here?

[Kazekirimaru]

- I really, really think that shouldn't be taken into account when figuring Kittens's alignment.

- He could have been searching for questions directed to him.

[Kazekirimaru]

Gif, I dislike your every molecule for making this guy an IC.

[Kazekirimaru]

page 9/(now 36) in re-read. no end in sight. oh god, what have i done?

tl;dr - pieguy is scum. Vote pieguy.

[Kazekirimaru]

@Mod: I don't mind posting gimmicks. I think it's a part of playing the game.

@Kaze: Or we could be scum together, fufufu. Honestly, if you're scum and you work with me, it'll expose you, so I could see your hesitance to not do so.
You think Bubba is scum? So do I. So does the wagon forming on him. Let's put votes there and let a better mouthpiece (looking at you, LushLife) do the talking.

VOTE: Bubba

The wagon on pie is still more substantial, though. And I'm stubborn. >:

[Kazekirimaru]

VOTE: Pieguyn

Dig the vote, but...how about a little more than that?

[Kazekirimaru]

Oh, I think Messiah Complex might be scum too.
Sorry!

Does anyone know the heads of this hydra by chance?

@Kazekirimaru I was going through your ISO and I found, as one of your reasons for seeing Kagami leaning towards scum, was that it took so long for her to "start up". You've looked town to me so far, but I'm curious as to why that would influence your read in the slightest bit. Especially with the beginning-of-the-game craziness.

I've never seen her start that way before, is the thing. It's uncharacteristic of her town behaviour.

Speaking of Kagami,

I asked her to quote an instance of her previous town games where she has made an assessment similar to in 572. She has ignored this request. Tis upsetting.

Ah. Ok. I though I had seen you say who was who, but I couldn't remember.

In that case, what's your response to the IC's claim of a "slip"

Have you been reading the game or have you just been using it to yell at Jiffy?

@Kaze: Pie wagon too easy. There's scum on it. Nuff said.

Don't you think the wagon would be moving a little(or a lot) more smoothly if it were on town? There's been so much resistance despite it being a vote from the beginning. I really feel this. I don't want to relent.

[Kazekirimaru]

I feel like that's exactly why it has been moving so easily. But, hey, I believe in you.

VOTE: Pieguyn

Now, let's see if you're up to snuff.

You're the best <3

[Kazekirimaru]

Pie should be returning from his self-imposed exile(that he took from this game only) tomorrow. Should be fun!

[Kazekirimaru]

I really hate that scummy nom.

My incomplete assessment of the gamestate is that there are only a few lines of argument that make sense:

Mac on kagami: not enough content, can't deny that
Jaqen on morph: cadb slip
lush on bubba: Various minor tells, listed in 463
morph on Pie: Srs biz early posting nonsense
kise on rem: kise-tsukasa interaction

Of all these, my favorite by far is kise's point, which is both original and accurate. Now, whether or not it's indicative of rem's alignment is a different matter. Rem is either legit invoking a trust tell (and yes, this is a trust tell), or she's using a false tell to push her towniness. Hard to say which, but it makes kise very much town to me. Kise's response to my little flip-flop on rem is very nice, imo, making him a fairly strong townread to me.

The morph thing on pie is pretty weak, I admit that I sheeped it because wagons are fun and I hadn't read the thread much yet on my opening post.

Your argument on bubba is consistent and effortful. I think there's potential for a lot of confbias there, so I was hesitant to hop on. It feels like you got the scum tinglies, and then fit the evidence to that read. The gun post was absurdly inappropriate, but not alignment indicative. I think you're prob-town. Bubba leans scum for this.

I'm running through jaqen's argument now. I'm actually not sure I follow. Cadb says that he assumes town doesn't read the mod posts as carefully as scum, which seems silly but whatever, and misses that bubba was making a joke. He says "but you all missed it, so shame on you." So the argument is that Cabd is identifying that one of the people he's addressing is scum (which implies himself scum)? There's the off chance that he just thought that everyone but he himself missed it, I suppose...
That's the jist of it, no?

Can you quote a completed town game where you've made an assessment in this fashion? Thank you.

I find it hard to believe a meta-centric player such as yourself would read so carelessly as to miss a direct request, by the way.

[Kazekirimaru]

You're acting quite differently this game. I assume you're going to attribute this to over-commitment and the ambit of this particular game?

[Kazekirimaru]

If you say so.

Can you explain your current vote to me? It feels odd. You come in talking about Kise on Rem and how you really like the points made there. You liked lush's push on bubba, too. But a couple posts later you just kinda decide morph is a better focus despite finding the case relatively confusing. Coincidentally, morph's wagon was gaining considerable traction at the time, so it would be an opportune moment for scum to hop on and ride the wave, so to speak. Can you talk me through this?

[Kazekirimaru]

Kaze casting so many lines hoping to catch dumbtown in "slips"

Yep. You caught me. I'm one devious motherfucker, eh?

coughgcbccough a man has bronchitis.

You should really get that cough looked at.

see this bugs me cos you know, cos I wrote a paragraph about them in that

big long reads list

I gave and my experience with some of the players! perhaps you should it.

The Amaranth hydra?

Kagami and Kaze were both town in that game. And Kagami was all ~effort~ and it's not really here this time and I dunno what to make of it. (And Kaze self lynched day one lol but bygones, bygones) It's a short read. Micro 273: http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=83&t=34836 (I took over for rach as mod)

I'm not likely to do that often, just to make that perfectly clear.

I'm not voting you.

The case on morph is nice and compact. Jaqen's direct interpretation is probably not quite right, but it's hard not to read the exchange as cadb looking to put a townslip on bubba, either for his own town-cred or bubba's.

I didn't say you were, miss.

Approximately what percent confident are you in your vote?

majiffy and I are working things out. I am not going to push to move our vote until bubba starts town flailing, so far he kind of isn't. I feel like he has locked himself into a softclaim and will at some point have to deliver or be nked. <---- it really is as simple as that.

Deliver or be nightkilled? What?

I'm pretty sure a man has the same view as m'lady on Mac. He's way too inactive to be scummac, as backwards as that may seem to anyone who hasn't played with him. Though to be fair, a man has never seen him very active on D1 regardless of alignment. He also seems to be trying to unite rather than divide.

Last game I played with Mac he was both inactive and scum.

A boy would have a man believe the same standard for comprehension should be applied to a native English speaker as to someone who ESL.

brb headdesking

[Kazekirimaru]

A man sees Kise town as

Sarcastic to the point of being ludicrous

npnp

But what if I don't like your townblock?

What if I make my own but

bigger

?

And what if I steal 1 or 2 of your members?

I don't think your 6 will be able to compete.

A smart ass

to be fair I suggest we do draft style

Seeks attention

He doesn't love me :-<

And none of those things are alignment-indicative. Cool. I like vanilla ice cream and I think Chimchar is probably the best Fire starter out of all gens.

[Kazekirimaru]

A man sees Kise town as

Sarcastic to the point of being ludicrous

npnp

But what if I don't like your townblock?

What if I make my own but

bigger

?

And what if I steal 1 or 2 of your members?

I don't think your 6 will be able to compete.

A smart ass

to be fair I suggest we do draft style

Seeks attention

He doesn't love me :-<

And none of those things are alignment-indicative. Cool. I like vanilla ice cream and I think Chimchar is probably the best Fire starter out of all gens.

[Kazekirimaru]

Eh, Fennekin? I'm warming up to it.

I'm really not understanding the meta case here. Should I?

[Kazekirimaru]

So he's not these things as scum? Ever?

[Kazekirimaru]

A boy has no vision. A man is perfectly happy to help push a Varsoon lynch. Or a Su Casa lynch. More Varsoon though. Part of his scum meta is to camp through most of D1 on a bus vote with a town who's being discredited and/or ignored (as a man already pointed out). A man even predicted he wouldn't read the accusation if he were scum and just go on posting to his agenda, which happened.

A man will gladly help a boy nail his coffin shut.

VOTE: Varsoon

Help me lynch pie today and I double promise we'll sort out Varsoon tomorrow.

Come on, guys. I'm on a mission here.

[Kazekirimaru]

With the failure of the Pieguyn wagon to take off, GCBC surely was looking for a different mislynch. He's been walling with the IC all day as a distraction that's largely anti-town (all while trying to dress it up as a failure on the IC's part and as a huge town effort on his own). His rhetoric has betrayed him as scum, his play is scummy, and he's a jerk.

Sheep me for great victory.

Why would scum interface with the IC in such a way, though? I'd think scum would want to get on their good side. Trying to discredit the IC seems like a needlessly risky move(though it is kinda getting pointless, I'll give you that).

What do you think about Lush in light of all this? Lush has been championing the IC, and Cabd/ffery/Hawk has consistently called them town.

Heck... Why would he even say that to his fellow scum.
Wouldn't he say that "Oh guys he's town because didn't read".

To be fair, I'm pretty sure that's why it's being called a "slip". Unintentional, you know?

See, that's the most beautiful thing about the uninterested gambit. I can wait for a scummy player to push for my lynch for scummy reasons--they're silly and somehow think I haven't been reading, or that I won't put up a fight or counter-case. You've walked right into my trap, GCBC. You're caught. Give up.

So...uhm...this was all planned, then? x.o

By the way. As of my 35ish completed games here there are two, and exactly two, players that when town can read me perfectly. Mollie and (as of about ten games ago) Sakura Hana. That's it. Ffery can't do it. Nacho can't do it. Hawkie can't do it. Waynegg can't do it. (BTW waynegg I know it's you now, you can stop bothering to hide it now, you slipped some info only you'd know about me) Mollie always, given time, gets my alignment right. Sakura's usually quicker at it, but mollie has a better track record. There's a reason my nightkill out the gate was mollie in We the Purple. I'd rather deal with a nacho-tammy hydra than mollie/anything correctly pegging me 10 times out of 10. She got me right in red wedding, she got me right in xenoblade, she got me right in xenogears. If she decided in the end that I am scum, then I will rejoice I have finally been misread and can contently NOT panic when I draw scum against her again. (Well that and give sakura a "you're the only one" trophy or some shit like that.) That is my faith in mollie-town AND her ability to read me.

~BC

Eh...is "I'm town because X reads me well and X reads me as town" really a good argument, though? It relies on taking the reads of another player with an unconfirmed alignment.

It's so fucking obvious that you're scum that it's physically painful to exist in a world where you aren't lynched.

I must say, I hate it when people say this.

pieguy is here (on site), he's not V/LA, he's just not participating in this game. i've never seen him do this before, and i dunno why he's doing it here, but yeah, he's not absent. i have my suspicions that he did what he did here as a sort of weak mimickry of what ffery did.

Hey, someone else notices!

You mean like the Bubba wagon, which is moving even slower and with even more resistance?
The one the pie wagon is counter-wagon to?

I really don't think the bubba wagon is a direct counter, but your point - I see it.

Perhaps a man was hasty on Varsoon. Or Varsoon has gotten better at faking his town meta. Whatever the case

VOTE: GCBC

...

Are we sure this isn't scum?

VOTE: Varsoon

I actually agree. Haven't liked his posting regardless and A) + B) are enough.

(Also UFO is probably scum)

I forgot you were in this game. Help me out with that, kay?

oh god. this is multi-ball isn't it? I hate multiball.

Where'd this come from?

this game has too much of the following

Spam
5 stacks of quote pyramids
point quote point quote point ad infinitum
meta

please no more

Conform or die. ^^

Seems unlikely, given that we're "good girls," I would be pretty surprised if it's not a good girl/bad girl dichotomy.

I don't see varsoon scum at all.

Dat setup speculator.

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I think I'm just going to do this

UNVOTE:
VOTE: bubba

and watch stuff happen for a while. This game is grating me.

[Kazekirimaru]

You have

no idea

how long I've been waiting for this.

You better be on point.

I'm totally down for the day to end soon.

[Kazekirimaru]

All hail the triumvirate.

[Kazekirimaru]

To whomever made this, you quote entire walls in reply to bubba with more with what you intentionally want to pick off as useless just to make the wall needlessly longer. These make reading back a bitch to do because all you ever do is tunnel vision him and all his posts, while labeling them as garbage. I can't help but feel sympathy for him because even I want to tell you to shut up about it already. You're just inciting negative responses from him while building your actual case (which is what we I actually want to read)

Oh, the problem of different metas.

This isn't a game of peaches and rainbows, miss. Not everyone is nice. And if Lush truly thinks bubba is scum, why should he relent? Why should anyone feel sympathy for someone under the microscope when that's the point of this game?

[Kazekirimaru]

Kaze's 374 starts good but ends poorly. Questioning townreads on yourself is natural, but pieguy clearly stated that he took your contradictory logic (and your accompanying gung-ho attitude) as towntells. The bottom paragraph makes it seem like you only read half of his post and thought you could get some mileage out of calling him out for bad logic/poor reads.

Yeah no. I read it. And my grievances were 1. He was calling me town for contradictory logic which makes no sense. 2. Said he couldn't read me worth a damn(probably true, but then how is he going to call me town for the supposed contradiction? 3. Puts me in his townreads despite not getting a read on me.

But that's old news. bubba should be the lynch today. Varsoon, chill. I don't want either of you dead.

[Kazekirimaru]

inb4 people wig out, vote me for my hop on bubba and I'm lynched today.
I don't give an apple pie, and I've already got a death wish. Come at me, scum.

Hahahah. I totally see why people compare me to you.

Alright. Let's move on?

[Kazekirimaru]

Kaze I'm starting to take Mollie's theory of multiball seriously. How do you feel about the possibility of two scum teams?

I'm really not willing to speculate about this until Day 2.

[Kazekirimaru]

Why not?

No point. It's a distraction.

[Kazekirimaru]

Check the recent votecount
Right now there's only one active wagon building up traction. The votes have been cast, and at the moment only the arrival of a few more players or Lush replying to me would spark up things up.

Why would you

not

take this opportunity to discuss the possibility?

Because it's Day 1.

And yet you would have a man relent. Interesting. That's not having completely opposing views at all.

Would I, though? I don't particularly care what scum does.

That's because Kaze is scum.
Are you not paying attention?

Is that all you're going to do? Say "Kaze is scum" every few pages and just leave it at that?

[Kazekirimaru]

Bah. I misread your post.

This is why I'd prefer it if you'd come out of character.

Feel free to claim I slipped, though.

[Kazekirimaru]

I'M BACK
I'M READY TO KICK ASS
LET'S GO

Start by explaining why you left this game in particular when the fires were getting turned up beneath you.

[Kazekirimaru]

Woah, Beetlejuice.

[Kazekirimaru]

pie, I didn't even read past your first quote response and I'm already pretty sure that whole post is just wrong.

I'm not even sure if I'll read the rest.

[Kazekirimaru]

Reading ISOs one at a time may be the worst possible way to catch up on a game without a grasp of the situation. ^^

[Kazekirimaru]

SHUT UP I'M GOING TO MAKE THIS WORK

What you've made is a ton of noise.

[Kazekirimaru]

and respond to my case on you

You have no case.

[Kazekirimaru]

Oh, damn. Gaiden's doing that thing he does again. Nevermind.

Wagon him anyway to

b

e safe.

I can't argue with that logic. Would you believe me if i say that i'm actually a nameless fairy?

Gah. Why d

o

you do this?

The lame thing is I know you know I've seen you do this as town before. I really am not a fan.

For lolz mostly. My next character was gonna be "Bullet with deceptively small hit box"

Do you have any completed scu

m

games?

If so can you list em?

If you wish to, I'd

b

e no less appreciative.

I can do that, too.

[Kazekirimaru]

Why are you assuming scum have a means of communicating Day-side?

[Kazekirimaru]

Also, progress on re-read stalled due to busy day at work.
thoughts on where i am at though can be summarized as "i doubt this is any sort of slip."

My town read on you has atrophied as of late. I need you to re-inspire me.

I'm not.

Then what are you implying by stating that scum should be coached into a better crumb?

I don't understand this at all. A bomb is incredibly powerful, and you were in no immediate danger of a lynch; why would you claim that? Even if you were in danger, why would you crumb and claim bomb rather than something that would draw the nightkill?

Ding ding ding.

You sure can bus! ;D

? My role PM specifically says 1 shot bomb. Are you saying you were given bomb? I'm confused.

Why would your role need to specify how many shots you have? As a bomb, you have one shot no matter how you slice it. You die - you explode. One shot. Claim makes no sense.

Anyway, this claim is obviously fake. You say your role pm is "1-shot Bomb," but there's no interpretation of the role bomb that can be anything more than one shot. So are you fakeclaiming town or really bad scum?

Yeah that.

I choose when to arm myself.

Hm.

10.Mac - watching you guys get #rekt by mac-scum in Tales of the Abyss was fun, but this isn't it

16.UFO - You're brand new to the site and draw scum in a huge 21 player game. What do you do when a loud player gives you towncred super early? You ride that shit as long as you can without posting so you don't fuck it up. I ought to start calling this the Camoclone effect.

These two reads are the only ones I don't understand. Help me out?

Fake-claiming something else would have been so much better though... or even nothing at all

I've seen more fake bomb claims than real ones. But, still. One could argue he needed something interesting to evoke this exact question. But, eh. That could be confirmation bias on my part.

You're going to need a wagon for that.

More challenging language. And towards the IC? You know he's town and you're challenging him to spark up the wagon. If you're town, that's -2 townies right there if he succeeds. What are you hoping to accomplish?

I ain't got a bomb suit, but i got a rope. If it starts dat beeping faster, tell me an' i'll pull ya out.

I'd appreciate content, instead.

K. nati and giffy co-designed this setup, and I'm pretty knowledgeable about both their mod metas. I'm expecting "minor role madness" and lots of red herrings here. Making setup assumptions is pretty dangerous because they're both a bit from the oddball setup design school.

Whooooooo Cabd's putting on the modgaming hat.

What constitutes "Minor role madness", by the way?

A man suggests whichever requires less pants.

MAKE PERTINENT WORDS KTHX I WANT YOU TO REMIND ME WHY YOURE TOWN

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So, yeah.

I don't think I'll unvote just yet.

[Kazekirimaru]

So, fun times to be had. Lovely.

[Kazekirimaru]

Pie wagon is bad wagon.

Not really, though.

[Kazekirimaru]

Worry not about it. I'm not even on the wagon.

Though that may change.

Then I might try to seduce you into voting with me again.

[Kazekirimaru]

Why? Ignore Kaze he's a butt,

Rude. >.>

Also saw this in hyper-skim.
the probability of at least 1 person being scum in a selection of 5 people is 1- P(no scum in 5 people) = 1 - (16*15*14*13*12)/(21*20*19*18*17) which is about 78.5%.
Assuming 5 man scum team and no other scum.

Damn it, Gaiden. Are you scum this game? Why do you keep doing stuff that isn't scumhunting?

Ok how come this thread is still open?

I assume you've read on by now. That's why.

Lynch me. Do it, I'm useless at this point since I've claimed, and it's going to help find scum. So fucking do it

You heard the man. Who are we to deny him his bold-fonted wish, eh?

Not that it would matter, I don't see why a person's vote needs to follow their opinion every post. You vote when you actually want someone lynched, not when you're worried that someone will call you on your vote not corresponding to your top scum-read or whatever.

Makes VCA a lot less effective, for one thing.

I see this comment made a lot more from scum than town, by the way.

---

So, let's lynch bubba sometime? If you're really that afraid of him, I'll hammer(though I think many have also offered before me.) If it must be put off until later, I'm still open to lynching pie.

[Kazekirimaru]

My secondary response is likely something akin to "Your case is awful."

Also, noise.

And I have no intentions of mislynching anyone. That would imply you're town, which you aren't.

[Kazekirimaru]

Spoiler: Responses emboldened

I'm comfortable calling Gaiden town for now. Quick peek shows a lack of frivolity to this extent in past scum openings.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: UFO

Let's do this instead.

RVS SCUMSLIP, AHOY! if you already meta'd him you would have already known how he acts in openings and thus not have to had read after his reaction

No.

Order of events:

Gaiden self-votes
I vote him, start pulling up his games. Voice my thoughts and ask him to pull up his games.
I finish pulling up his games - he tells me his games. I confirm that's all there is as far as scumgames.
I finish reading his games, state my conclusions.

take morph out of town reads, tsukasa out of not town reads and swap your name for mine, and this is basically where i'm at atm

Tell me about morph?

So where does the fakeness lead?
That "maybe dram" thing looks like he's still leaning town and you don't want him to look scum

It can lead to many things, but they all have dram posturing as a common theme.

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Kagami! Come out and play! You're active elsewhere, and I'm pretty sure you're not the type to activelurk as town. Am I finally seeing scum!Kagami?

last sentence feels fake as fuck and is a really easy angle for scum to push to look like they're doing smth

Okay?

How the hell am I in your "townblock"? You say you agree with 197 yet me doing the actions outlined there doesn't seem to bother you. You claim I'm acting "sour" and opening different than normal. You find my logic contradictory. You agree that it's odd that I'm reading muffin as town. All this and you're willing to just shoehorn me into your townblock on the grounds of "lol I can't read you but I think I'd be able to read you if you were scum somehow"?

this is a great reaction to being townblock'd. but it's fakeable so I'm not sold ><
to answer your question my strategy is basically forming a townbloc in flux and shifting it aroudn till it seems right. then I freeze it and BOOM townblock

Okay? Why not just...form reads before you start making a townblock...?

What thing with the meta? The metaputer stuff? We're not super deep into Day 1 yet. You expect her to fire on all cylinders from the get-go?

You really haven't noted anything interesting yet? I find that difficult to believe. Have you not had a single read or "oh, that's odd!" twinge in all these pages?

wtf is this?
you call out Kagami for doing nothing then you call out Katarina for "expecting her to fire on all cylinders from the get go"? plz no
it also fits with the idea that your initial questioning of kagami was fake, considering you apparently forgot all about it

Apples and oranges. The difference being I called out Kagami for starting slow in general, Kat was calling out Kagami for not firing up the metaputer from the start.

So, why not ask some probing questions instead of just watching the pages pass by?

Why did you join this game if you're not willing to commit for a while?

....rly

Really.

Can you quote a completed town game where you've made an assessment in this fashion? Thank you.

You're still giving me bad feelings.

WHAT IS THIS
do you really think that
1. whether or not there exists a towngame with this in it is relevant
and
2. this would necessarily be in a previous towngame?
like is this one thing really so important for a meta check?
this question feels fake and like scum busywork

tl;dr: too many fake questions. some of it is gut but oh well

Yes, I do.
I don't know. That's why I asked.
Yes, it is.
It's not, though.

Kay.

[Kazekirimaru]

wow you actually did it? I thought your whole policy was that you don't interact with scumreads (see AA:MFA). why change it here? is it bc you're scum and feel the need to act all defensive?

Apples and oranges. The difference being I called out Kagami for starting slow in general, Kat was calling out Kagami for not firing up the metaputer from the start.

no. your whole point was that Katarina shouldn't be expecting Kagami to be playing 100% right from the get go. if not, what's so specific about the "metaputer" that would cause you to focus explicitly on that? Kagami did smth that indicated she wasn't playing at 100%, Katarina called her on it, and you called her for calling her on it

all your responses suck. for each of those questions I wanna know why you asked said question and what you thought the scum motivation was behind said actions you were questioning. also cite this

I see this comment made a lot more from scum than town, by the way.

bc I disagree. a lot of the time my vote doesn't match who I'm pressuring atm when I wanna pressure multiple slots. so this is not a scumtell. speaking of AA:MFA, remember how TNE was scum and kept poking people bc "OMG you're scumreading this person but your vote is on this person!!1!1!" this is the same shit as that

Okay? Why not just...form reads before you start making a townblock...?

see my response to mollie

Sigh. I knew I shouldn't have humoured you.

[Kazekirimaru]

A man proclaims that is what a lady said.

[Kazekirimaru]

Please show me the amazing, irrefutable evidence that suggests claiming early = bleeding town because I'm really tired of people implying such idiocy.

[Kazekirimaru]

I do miss points quite often.

Feel free to hit me with something.

[Kazekirimaru]

And rereading Kaze lets a man. Know he would probably be better off with no skin at all

I like my skin. It helps me live. I don't desire to go to a dermatologist and get all doctored up from lack of skin.

Anyway, would a man explain what he means? Does a man have a problem with me?

[Kazekirimaru]

Is that alignment indicative though, Kat?

[Kazekirimaru]

If we could continue on with either a bubba or pie lynch that'd be fantastic.

[Kazekirimaru]

I don't know anything GoT related, fyi.

And I think "You're too easy to get along with to be Town" is one of the worst cases I've heard in a while. And I've heard a few.

[Kazekirimaru]

aren't you the guys who posted #1024?

it looked like cabd was saying he was going to bed.

Uhm. I don't believe that was what he meant.

[Kazekirimaru]

Hey, Jaqen. If you think I'm scum, why no vote?

[Kazekirimaru]

I'm not acting the way I'm acting towards you because "lol you're scum."

I'm acting this way because "lol you're derp."

Seriously. Every game we're in you tunnel me. It's cute, but really getting on my nerves. It's better for my sanity if I just let you do your thing until you get tuckered out and take a nap.

[Kazekirimaru]

You can't be scum and getting on my nerves? Well then.

[Kazekirimaru]

Please spoiler it.

[Kazekirimaru]

@Kaze:

I'm well aware I suck at meta. if you wanna help me out and either give me some towngames where you ask the kinds of questions I was bringing up this whole game or explain the motivation behind the questions you were asking, plz do

Ugggggggghhhhhhhhh. Kill me.

What questions are you referring to?

Why are you putting so much effort into making a case on someone who isn't even your preferred lynch/the recipient of your vote?

[Kazekirimaru]

these are all very easy angles to push. from what I can tell, town you might make comments on them but you never ask questions like this or try to develop said easy angles. instead you just declare one of your firm stances and call it a day. my conclusion is that when you're scum you want to appear busy so you need to spend more time to develop these easy angles with these shit questions to look like you're legitimately scumhunting and trap people into scumreads. when you're town you don't bother and you come up with way better and more relevant ideas

Oh! You're arguing semantics. Thanks for the clarification.

So, what exactly is wrong with the questions you listed, again? I'm not going through the trouble of pulling up meta of me posing similar questions because that doesn't really prove anything and I'm sure you'll try to find some way to say x =! y anyway. All I can really say is you're wrong and leave it at that. Don't like it? Quit taking shots from the sidelines and commit with a vote on me.

[Kazekirimaru]

Maybe.

Hey.

I'm not.

Then what are you implying by stating that scum should be coached into a better crumb?

Explain to me the thing.

[Kazekirimaru]

This is the part where the major wagons break up and we end up with a lame deadline lynch.

Sad.

[Kazekirimaru]

Lame plurality lynch*

Still sad.

[Kazekirimaru]

Maybe I'm an idiot, but when I see plural I think multiple, does this mean the one with the most votes is lynched, or that multiple people are lynched? If the latter how many is multiple? If other explain.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plurality_(voting)

[Kazekirimaru]

kaze has a smug superiority about him that I think kind of leans town. are you reading him as scum? he is the type of player that I can get weird on but not right now.

Oh, get weird on me. <3

A man just explained what he thinks the team scum strategy is. A man neither thinks you slipped on purpose if he's right about that nor has he seen a boy following along with that strategy. A man sees Varsoon connected to both GCBC and the others for the too scummy and his scum meta of sitting a bus for a while with someone not being listened to. A man sees Kaze and Lush playing the too obvious route. A man sees a Kat oddly staying well clear of the other 4.

A man concedes that a boy's first post of this game is likely why he believes all revolves around himself

A man needs to take an icicle and place it betwixt his ribs.

[Kazekirimaru]

This is def wrong on varsoon, he's town and I'm quite sure of it.

"Quite sure?" I like "Quite sure." Tell me more about it.

[Kazekirimaru]

I've played a fair number of games with varsoon, just as I've played several with you. Experiential meta tells me varsoon is town and you may well be scum.

That was underwhelming.

[Kazekirimaru]

Too scummy to be scum, but being scum all the same. A man said Kat is distancing from the other 4 on the list. A boy is still a stand alone.

lol

So what do you think about tsukasa, my adorable sister?

I think it's a Saki alt.

Last I checked they were using a lot of words to basically say they were going with the flow. Eh. Null-scum. You?

[Kazekirimaru]

She's not a saki alt. I meant that she said the same thing as I just did without attracting your scrutiny. I agree to Null or null-scum, though.

Probably because I forget s/he exists most of the time.

[Kazekirimaru]

This is the part where the major wagons break up and we end up with a lame deadline lynch.

[Kazekirimaru]

no

[Kazekirimaru]

Have fun with that whole "or die" thing.

[Kazekirimaru]

I'm really not sure how you posit any of those quotes have anything to do with my alignment.

I mean, yeah. Not all of those questions were pertinent to alignment. What of it? You know by now my method of scumhunting includes asking all sorts of questions in order to get an idea of my subject's mindset. You know that. I've told you before and you have claimed to have understood such things. Your supposed cases against me make it obvious to me that you understand nothing.

You can shout from the rooftops that asking questions like that is my scum meta all you like but all I can really do in return is say "nuh uh, you're wrong" and let you do your thing.

PEDIT: that better be a fake shot oh my fucking god you fucking idiot motherfucker

[Kazekirimaru]

THAT BETTER BE A FAKE MOTHERFUCKING SHOT YOU FUCKSTICK

[Kazekirimaru]

gcbc and lush town

kagami is less scummy as game goes on

bubba should still die

look into gaiden, kat, and mac for scums

[Kazekirimaru]

pie, i dislike you quite a bit.

i was enjoying this game.

if i die i'm not going anywhere near a game with you in it for a long time.

[Kazekirimaru]

gaiden keeps doing nothing despite being quite active elsewhere - all posts have not been scumhunting

mac is more feelsy. reminds me of ace attorney. though the sheeping gives me pause

[Kazekirimaru]

Why the ever loving fuck do you care?

[Kazekirimaru]

I'm like 80% sure at least.

[Kazekirimaru]

Last time I saw someone try to call off an action was in Tales, and Orci suicided anyway.

I'm going to bed. If I'm not dead tomorrow, you're getting lynched. And I'm absolutely not accepting "lol gambit" as an excuse.

[Kazekirimaru]

it was a gambit

and no I'm not getting lynched

No waynegg, I''m telling my scumbuddy not to waste one of our pools of fakeclaims. </sarcasm>

No shit I meant the dayvig shot.

(Also pie I was kinda scumreading you for that crumb because I thought you were setting up a maosn fakeclaim down the line and masons + IC = pffft yeah right)

so that's what it was

anyway, since I don't want WIFOM down the road

claim: mason encryptor

since I'm an encryptor scum don't have daychat unless there's 2 encryptors in this game

I thought you missed and/or ignored the crumb and that was in no small part where my scumread on you came from. but this explains it and you obviously saw it so if you're scum you know my role by now anyway so might as well put it on the table

@Kaze: let's work together here instead of getting into another pissing contest like in AA:MFA. OK?

Die a horrible death.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: pie

[Kazekirimaru]

gaiden keeps doing nothing despite being quite active elsewhere - all posts have not been scumhunting

mac is more feelsy. reminds me of ace attorney. though the sheeping gives me pause

Ace attorney i was town, so whats your point here?

The first part is why you might be town. The second part is why I'm considering you for scum.

[Kazekirimaru]

-Claims to have shot me.
-Claims to have "taken it back".
-After I call them out that takebacks don't always work, claims something else.
-I've only ever seen "Encryptor" in front of "Mafia" before.
-All the things I've ever said about pie ever up until now.

[Kazekirimaru]

Oh, also:

we get daychat, but since it was in the form of my role I'm inclined to think scum doesn't get daychat. I'm not claiming my partner

if there's only a "partner" there is no logical reason for there to be a designated daychat enabler in your supposed Masonry. Your post implies a two-person Masonry. If one dies, the other obviously doesn't get daychat because there's nobody to chat with. Your claim is fake.

[Kazekirimaru]

This game is a clusterfuck and I want to tear my eyes out.

[Kazekirimaru]

Kaze, don't do so. You are my ally! We must persevere!
I also think Pie's claim is bad.
If not a pie lynch, what should we do, Kaze?

How are you going to say you think pie's claim is bad when your vote is not upon him?

How are you going to say you think pie's claim is bad then want to speculate about not-pie options?

What is up with you?

it's weird yeah (my partner got confused about it too) but I assume it's there specifically to give us daychat outright and that daychat is turned off by default across the whole gamestate (which is why I think scum doesn't get daychat. if they did there'd be 2 encryptors and GIF might as well just turn daychat on by default instead)

---

My vote is parked.

[Kazekirimaru]

Who among Mac, Kise, and myself do you have an issue with?

[Kazekirimaru]

Or the wagon of a scum that keeps getting interrupted by other scum...?

[Kazekirimaru]

Spoiler: For Pieguy

To start with ffery and I had an initial townread on UFO for the way he responded to my instant-on pressure about his homesite; it reminded us of how nacho did that to me, and of my reactions, in my first large. (Xenoblade chronicles, I can link the exchange if you'd like)

History of some other sites ensures here.

I first played pokemon on pokegym; a web forum designed around discussion of the pokemon TCG. It played some large role madness games, won some, lost some, but had fun. Then, there was an implosion in the community where a moderator of a game actively maniuplated activity modkills to favor his brother's team. The resulting bickering and fallout caused that site's admins to remove the werewolf community entirely. Some players stopped playing. Some found other homes, such as sixprizes, Pokémon online, or mafiascum. Examples from mafiascum include PMysterious, Paid Pyro, Prohawk, Angry Pidgeon, myself, Waynegg, and 3dicerolling. A good majority of us also moved offsite to sixprizes, where I'm a forum mod; and play there in addition.

The average age on these mafia subforums, unlike mafiascum, is usually below 16. Therefore a lot of the tells and quirks here don't apply. One thing that players newer to the game do a lot is get an early townread from one or two vocal players, and then spend the rest of the day lurking it out. I can point to the specific games if you want, Pie.

Basically, my townread of UFO sunk when he had a decent start, got a townread or two from some vocal people, and then.... nothing. The "I've got class" excuse is another common thing from that group.

Prohawk, upon his initial replace in and read, had pretty much the exact same thought. That's why we indicated a scum read upon him in our consolidated reads post. Him actually going ahead and replacing out places that read in flux, and we are hoping the replacement gives us more to work with.

Eh. Well...I believe you believe this is a good read? But yeah. Replacements.

[Kazekirimaru]

A man thinks anybody is capable of anything if they put their minds to it. A man has explained his reads so please ISO as a man is at work and on his 30 minute lunch break so doesn't have much time.

By that logic there's no such things as towntells since anyone can possibly do anything ever.

Lynch this, or kill it with fire, or shove it down a garbage disposal with some ice and lemon and turn that shit on, or tie them down and hit them with bars of soap wrapped in knee length socks. Any way you choose, know that scum lies here.

Spoiler:

I don't care how far we got pushed in RVS. If there was a five-post speedlynch then if town doesn't insta-lynch the hammerer day 2 then town in this game has some problems.

You've voted twice and both have been second votes on top of an existing vote, that's accurate, right?

There was a sense of humour in your RVS vote which I liked, a sense of 'dark impending things' in your vote on DOMO, and I don't quite grok (hi Beli) this most recent post which *still* seems to be promoting a lynch as soon as possible.

I'll wait out the day asking every question I feel is relevant to get reads, communicate my preferences for lynch and the reasons, and ask for feedback. I'll be around 24 hours before deadline. At least for a window of a few hours.

Why do you want a lynch to happen right now?
If you're town, do you have any inclination to reason on this?
I mean, running someone up is not a thing in this game.

I don't understand what you're trying to say with this spoiled quote.

@Kaze

- Do you read that gambit as a scum gambit, or are you just reacting to the fact that he chose you for his focus?

Yes.

Agreed, I don't like the whole idea of rebooting reads based on replacements. If the slot has shown itself to be scummy then it is scummy until proven otherwise. A new player can come in and town it the fuck up, but they also do so with the knowledge that their slot was being scum read.

You misunderstand. I didn't get any reads of my own off UFO, so I need the replacement to do...something. I was basically saying cool story bro.

Unless you're referring to GC_BC, then I shrug.

[Kazekirimaru]

Kaze, stop.

Pardon?

[Kazekirimaru]

I just realized the similarities between Messiah Complex's avatar and the one I just changed to. Hah.

[Kazekirimaru]

Can someone tell me what ASOFAI stands for? It's obviously a game - I'd like to read it since it's been mentioned like fifteen times.

[Kazekirimaru]

Can someone tell me what ASOFAI stands for? It's obviously a game - I'd like to read it since it's been mentioned like fifteen times.

It's the large theme game that just finished. A uPick of Ice & Fire

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=31262

merci beaucoup

[Kazekirimaru]

Oh god the pagecount

maybe i'll read it later

[Kazekirimaru]

So Varsoon is town.

[Kazekirimaru]

So who wants to see Varsoon and GC_BC tear eachother's throats out, eh?

[Kazekirimaru]

That's really not going to happen, is it?

Fine.

UNVOTE:

[Kazekirimaru]

I think I'll do this for a while, actually.

VOTE: Gaiden

[Kazekirimaru]

What caused your read to go south, exactly?

I can only sit on RVS meta for so long. Plus, he's been active elsewhere. Of the few posts he's made here, none of them are scumhunting.

if it's the active lurking, i'm with ya

although gaiden's in the same boat as kise, dramonic, AD and to some extent yunichikako, tsukasa and the cok in that respect. (and i guess the replacement-to-come slots as well)

Yeah, I do suppose this game has it's share. But I can at least think of a post or two of all the other players you named that had content. Not so with Gaiden.

but muffin, in kaze's eyes i was to town before when I was just posting "on page x/y"
Maybe the town read would have stayed the same if i posted update posts more frequently.

You haven't even sort of made an attempt at this game and you have had opportunities to do so.

[Kazekirimaru]

But hey, won't be the first shit storm you are involved in due to inaccurate tunneling.

That was at the very least distasteful and at most uncalled for and a real shit means of AtE.

[Kazekirimaru]

Kaze do you have something to say about what is going on between me and Mollie at the moment? Cause you fucking shouldn't.

I think kids these days say "Come at me, bro!" in situations like this.

[Kazekirimaru]

Department of Homeland Security's Campaign slogan, MC. See something, say something.

[Kazekirimaru]

I think you folks need to subtract a sizable sum of vitriol out of this game.

But yeah, Mollie's avoiding you on purpose. Why? Beats me. I'm waiting for another head to pop in, personally. I'm willing to contribute it to that head in particular's goings on for now. If it continues after others have checked in I'll worry about it.

[Kazekirimaru]

I didn't miss that little bit of infighting, no. I must ask, though, why you think Mollie would specifically go after you as scum while the other heads aren't interested in you.

[Kazekirimaru]

current thoughts: ^town.
I've more or less given up on this "entire game reread" thing. I'll still try to do it, but i've been stuck on page 16 for the last few days.

Gaiden, I want you dead.

So, what's up?

[Kazekirimaru]

@Kaze: I miss your old avatar.

As much as I love Raphael, he just didn't feel like he belonged up there.

[Kazekirimaru]

You want so many people dead. I don't feel the same love you gave them...

Oh, don't be mistaken, good sir. I

really

want you dead. I want to watch as the light drains from your eyes until you've naught left but a swinging, empty gaze.

[Kazekirimaru]

I'd rather you granted a different wish: participation in this game. Preferably paired with explanations as to why you're not scumhunting, why you're active lurking, etc.

Failing that, you may move on to the aforementioned wish.

[Kazekirimaru]

Are you claiming you don't know how to find scum?

[Kazekirimaru]

You've played here almost as long as myself. You've /in'd for your share of games. You've won a few. Yet you're going to tell me that you don't know how to find scum?

[Kazekirimaru]

sure why not.

Play the game or disappear.

Misquote but yeah. It was him who got me to sign up for this game and for the majority of the games I played with he had a useless lurky vibe as town. Not exactly in him to sub out considering he subbed in a game that was in MYLO.

http://pokemon-online.eu/forums/showthr ... UINS-GAMES

Mod intervention ruined the game. I'm Hannah, he's Angel Flonne.

So, you think that slot's town?

Makes sense, but there's plenty of other wagons to push out.

But this one is gooooooood.

UNVOTE:
I'm putting our vote to rest for a minute. I'm starting to get elliberth feels here.

~BC

Dem references I don't get again.

I'll just stop asking what X means now.

Let's lynch Kise, Varsoon :3

what

VOTE: Kise

what

kaze is pure town and so is mac too I think. kat as well but watch out for muffin cos his angles are kind of opportunistic. he is trying to match the flow of the game instead of being a part of it.

But Mac has barely even played this game. I don't get this.

A man sent a question and will get back to a boy. In before a boy make jape of this.

This man concedes to a Hawk Master and a boy. A man sees. A man knows. A boy's scum game is just so, but this is his scum game all the same. Like any fish, a boy isn't incapable of being caught, but a boy becomes a pike to flail as hard as he must need to loose enough hands to find his way back to a stream.

A boy exposed himself. A lady picked up on it but was silenced before she could lay her finger on the why. A man sees and finishes for fair Lady Lush; now a boy wriggles.

Hi.

You decide to alt slip on purpose or what?

[Kazekirimaru]

Oh hey there's a new page.

Hi DGB; hi kuribo.

[Kazekirimaru]

I wish I were actual dayvigged at this point.

[Kazekirimaru]

Nothing.

Gaiden, do you even want to play this game anymore? Do you have plans to actually participate or are you just occupying a slot?

[Kazekirimaru]

I do. But what am i supposed to do? Say that I have been doing something I haven't been?
Also, it is great how that post in this context is really damning isn't it?

Okay, cool. You haven't been scumhunting. Cool, cool. So, why not start? What's stopping you?

[Kazekirimaru]

So, from what I gather, scum hunting begins with communicating with players right? That is something I didn't want to do without the game firmly in memory. But, I am starting more of that now.
Any advice on scum hunting?

Part of me thinks you're trolling. If not, I'm going to start coughing blood. 70+ pages into a Large Theme is not the time to start asking these questions.

kaze why did you meta read gaiden at the start of the game?

I've answered this already. The RVS self-vote.

[Kazekirimaru]

I have been reading your posts.

I never asked if anyone knows messiah.

Your read on Mac is 99% "I love him don't you dare touch him omg" last I checked and that's not good enough for me, sorry.

[Kazekirimaru]

@Serene: Once Kaze is dead you'll let me get my varsoon lynch right

I won't be leaving this game through lynch, I assure you of that.

[Kazekirimaru]

Don't you think they've buddied a little too hard for that to be likely?

/inb4 das WIFOM

[Kazekirimaru]

Hey guys I got some Ice Cream.

Cue pensive squint.

[Kazekirimaru]

In light if the history between the two ladies, a man can see the one replacing out (with less provocation than ever) if both are scum because she would feel she couldn't even get a break when they're scum

together

.

why the fuck are you talking like this

http://gameofthrones.wikia.com/wiki/Jaqen_H'ghar

[Kazekirimaru]

That's a PR hint, everyone off the wagon.

VOTE: Varsoon choo choo

That's actually just me being arrogant, but okay. PR hint!

[Kazekirimaru]

Oh? It sounds like Chamber has a case. Do share.

[Kazekirimaru]

Considering the PR implied was lynchproof, which is something that I could safely fakeclaim as long as I, y'know, don't get lynched? Yeah, whatever.

[Kazekirimaru]

I say we lynch that shit. We get a confirm.

I said it wasn't a PR hint, derpcake. Read harder.

[Kazekirimaru]

That's actually just me being arrogant, but okay. PR hint!

Read harder.

[Kazekirimaru]

What? No. The implication is you have some claim that would stop you from getting lynched BECAUSE WE WOULDN"T WANT TO.

Whatever. Moot point.

[Kazekirimaru]

Then vote me.

[Kazekirimaru]

Good thing there's plurality this game since this lot can't seem to agree on a damn thing.

Seriously, I feel like half of you are just going off on weird tangents because personal business. The other half can't be bothered to care.

[Kazekirimaru]

Is it just me, or is bubba just fishing for reasons to vote people?

What do you think?

That ambit of that question expands to the game in general.

[Kazekirimaru]

Cabd, it's starting to worry me that you're not interfacing with me at all save for a passing comment here or there. ffery is a perceptive gal, and can probably read me better anyone else I've played with, but are you really comfortable in taking her word on me through this entire game? I get a vibe that you're trying not to estrange me or step on my toes.

[Kazekirimaru]

Not really. I'd just expect a few swipes here or there or something. I find it odd that neither of your heads have found any of my posts worth scrutinizing. Especially when at least 1/3 of the playerlist has called me scummy for one reason or another.

[Kazekirimaru]

It's hard to have a genuine town tell in these games when 4 other people are doing the same thing.

Excuses are bad.

[Kazekirimaru]

I meant you.

Not really unique in the confidence and tunneling anymore now that there are other wagons trying to build up the same momentum that you're trying to pull off.

Meh. Hopefully a flip will set these people straight. I'll just keep on knowing I'm right. It's cool.

[Kazekirimaru]

I still don't understand how we're not just powerlynching Gaiden into submission right now.

[Kazekirimaru]

There are no other choices when there's a player who is not participating and claiming they know not how to scumhunt despite being on-site for six months.

[Kazekirimaru]

At least you're(appearing to) try.

[Kazekirimaru]

You mean Bubba?

I think you mean Bubba.

Last time I gave you my sword with you one of your heads went off on a tangent. I've decided you're not a slot to follow, if not an outright liability.

[Kazekirimaru]

Au contraire, I do believe my favoured wagon has a chance. I don't need majority, after all. Just more votes than the combined stupidity currently on GC_BC.

Worry not, though. It's not like I'll stubbornly sit upon my vote until deadline if it's incredibly obvious it won't go through.